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Feeling Stuck in Life? Freedom is Within Your Grasp Featuring Karen Theimer It's easy to feel stuck in life. Especially once you reach a certain age. You have been raising kids and/or working. It's very easy to lose yourself over the year. You lose sight of what you really want to be. What you really want to do. Sometimes its easy to give up that you can ever do anything except what you are doing right now. I can tell you for sure, there is hope depending upon how much you want to change. What are you willing to risk. Its not to be taken lightly for sure. Once we reach a certain age our time horizon becomes much shorter. Not that you shouldn't try, but you have to be careful and calculated. Don't be shy about reaching out for help. About Karen I turned the BIG 5-0 and My whole world completely shifted. I'd heard how reaching mid-life can trigger some pretty Big changes and awakening for most women. As my 50th birthday approached I found myself thinking.." Wow..where did my life go... how do I want to live the second part?" From going through a divorce to overcoming Thyroid cancer my journey has definitely kept me on my toes But this has all led me to my Path of Freedom. I began my career as a business owner several decades ago as a dog groomer. And I loved it. However, 23 years later my body was hurting a lot and I was burnt out. What the heck was I going to do at the age of 40 with No university or college degree? I decided to go back to school. to become a Registered Massage therapist and later became a Holistic nutritionist, Network Marketing Leader, Global Speaker and Freedom Coach. Over the years from what I have learned and experienced from my own healing and coaching journey plus coaching others through their life's challenges I now coach women to find their freedom.. that they have been searching for. I am here to tell you that it is possible to find freedom and I know you can do it. I have done it too!! www.fiftyandfree.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Feeling Stuck in Life? Freedom is Within Your Grasp Featuring Karen Theimer Sun, 8/8 12:05PM • 1:09:09 SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, day, called, life, learned, thought, big, talking, stuck, terry, esther hicks, hear, journey, listen, find, karen, path, teach, journaling, thoughts SPEAKERS Karen, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:03 Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty This is Roy Terry 00:05 this is Terry Roy Barker 00:06 Of course we are the past podcast that is chronicling our journey to wellness diet. Not necessarily a diet but just what we eat also exercising, moving, doing a lot of different things there. And mindset. You know, as we've come through this journey this far, you know, mindset has been one of the bigger issues that we seem to identify we, we know things we should be doing but actually doing them and then actually making them sustainable. There's some big gaps there. Also, we talk to professionals in the field from time to time and today is no different. I'm gonna let Terry introduce Karen for us, Terry 00:43 Karen Theimer it she turned the big three big three Oh, there you go. Karen Karen 00:49 I wish Terry 00:50 turn the big five oh, and her whole world completely shifted. she'd heard how approaching midlife could trigger some pretty big changes and awakenings for most women. As her birthday her 50th birthday approach she found herself thinking, wow, where did my life go? How do I want to live the second part? from going through a divorce to overcoming thyroid cancer. her journey has definitely kept her on her toes. But this is all led her to her path of freedom. She began her career as a business owner several decades ago as a dog groomer, which she loved. However, 23 years later, her body was hurting a lot and she was burnt out what the heck was she going to do at the age of 40 with no university or college degree. She decided to go back to school to become a registered massage therapist and later became a holistic nutritionist, network marketing leader, global speaker and freedom coach over the years from what she's learned and experienced from her own healing and coaching journey plus coaching others through their life's challenges. She now coaches women to find their freedom that they have been searching for. And she's here to tell you that it is possible possible to find freedom. She knows you can do it. She has done it too. Karen Theimer. Welcome to the show. We're so happy to have you here. Karen 02:11 Oh my gosh, thank you. I was gonna say Tori, Roy and Terry. I so appreciate it. And it's a. It's always inspiring and always interesting to hear somebody else read your bio. Right? Because you're like, wow, I have overcome a lot in life, haven't it? Right. It's always a good reminder. Right? Terry 02:31 Who is that that they're talking about? That's really me. I can't wait to hear her speak. Karen 02:39 So thank you for having me on today. I'm really excited to have this conversation. And Roy Barker 02:44 yeah, thanks for taking time out of your day. It's, uh, yeah, it's a great, you know, what we'd like, audience or guests with good stories. So you've got a good story, it's like that you're on a good path. So, but tell I know that Terry, read a little bit of your history, but tell us a little bit more, you know, kind of about the path that you were on what made you you know, decide to finally take some, it seems like some action to help you kind of move in a different area. So tell us how those decisions were made. Karen 03:15 Okay, um, I'll try to keep it short. But yeah, like you said, like, when I turned 50, I was kind of thinking, like, like, really was like, Where has my life gone? You know, I know a lot of women think the same. I don't know how men think. But I know women were like, like, Where did life go? Right? So for me, it was just thinking, Okay, well, what am I going to do with the rest of my life? Because I felt stuck. And life's threw me a curveball at 50. And I became single. And, and at the same time, I actually got introduced to network marketing as well. But I just, you know, and then and then, so life just happened. And I thought, Oh, my gosh, what is going on? You know, here I am, you know, becoming single, having a single income, you know, having to sell our house move out, and just life. You know, I mean, obviously, when you get married, you don't think you're gonna get divorce, right? Nor vendure out. It's interesting how we manifest stuff. But anyway, so for me, in 2018, actually, it was in 2017, I thought, I got to go on a healing journey, because I was so stuck in my past. And I had a hard time letting go on my husband, even though I didn't want to be in the marriage. Right. And I'm very grateful him and I are still friends. But I had a hard time letting go of that and plus some other things that were going on in my life. And I thought, Hey, I'm going to go on a healing journey. So I originally was going to start at the end of 2017. But then life happened, and then I went okay, that's it. My theme for 2018 is about finding Karen. And let's go on a healing journey. And that's when I decided to learn more about how our mind body spirit works. And I had no idea that my life would end up where I'm at today. Like, if you had asked me five years ago, if I'd be doing being a podcast, I'd be like, you're not. I can't talk. I don't know what? Who's gonna listen to me? Right? So, yeah, so I just started diving deep and understanding, you know, like, how does our mind work, you know, and then I, and then I learned how, you know, we're programmed from children, with all kinds of, you know, thoughts and beliefs and all that. And then I realized, I learned that when, when we have a thought it releases a chemical, and then we get an emotion, and then that releases another chemical. And then you get another thought, and it just spirals. So from there, I just started diving deep into my own journey, and just was like, Okay, I got some stuff I need to heal from my past, and growing up and with my family, and my parents and whatever. And, and that's what led me on this journey today. And I realized we really can do anything we want. Like, we really can, you know, we just have to dream bigger and, and work on that belief on ourselves. So that's sort of how I got on this journey. Roy Barker 06:16 It's interesting that, well, I'm gonna speak for me from people of my generation that, you know, we, you went to work somewhere, work there. 30-35 years, every, you know, you lived in the same house lit, same town. It was just pretty routine. And I think something that I learned that, uh, you know, not probably not young enough, but at an earlier age is that change is okay. I mean, I worked at a huge company, you know, decent job, but it was one of these golden handcuffs, jobs that people stay because of the benefits of retirement. And at some point, I was like, I just can't do this anymore, you know, banking on that, heck, you could die tomorrow and not get any of that. So the thing about, you know, being happy finding who we are, I think, and the other part is that it changes I mean, this may be who we are today, things may happen in a year or two, that we pick another path or we go somewhere else, and that's totally okay. We're not, you know, it's not like you make a decision when you're 18. And you have to live with, you know, for the rest of your life. Karen 07:22 Oh, my gosh, it's so true. And I've changed my career. I mean, like you said, like, I've been through dog grooming, went back to school at the age of 40, you know, got into massage therapy, and then had cancer and then went, Okay, well, maybe I should learn something about nutrition. And that led me on, you know, this path. Right. So yeah, I mean, change is good. I always like change. I was always Roy Barker 07:45 the message that comes out of the show, I hope that we can just tell that if there's just one person that hears out there that is contemplating changes, just, you know, you need to be methodical about we can't just discard things and you know, get a fresh start. But there are ways to do that. And I just encourage everybody to really evaluate that Terry 08:04 and doing it with small steps. I mean, that's, that's how you did it. Right? Yeah, you had to and change is inevitable. I mean, my gosh, all the things that you went through your cancer journey and all I mean, that just sheds a whole new light on what your life purpose is, and trying to find it. Karen 08:23 Yeah, yeah. And it is it is baby steps. And this is what I coach people on it, right? Like, it's not an easy journey. But it's so worth it. It's so worth it to claim your life back, right and find that joy, and my mission in this world is to teach people to find that joy again, especially right now, because a lot of people are just feeling stuck and they're lost. And they've lost what it feels like to have fun again. Yeah. And I'm all about you know, we I looked at a Charlie Brown and Snoopy cartoon one day. And it said, because I always said, Oh, you only live once. And I love what the cartoon said. It said, No, you die once you live every day. Right? And that has stuck with me. And it's true, like take every day and just live it to the best you can. Right. But be kind to yourself. Roy Barker 09:11 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. And I like your positive spin on, you actually call yourself a cancer. thriver Yeah. And I think that, you know, we talk about surviving, and then, you know, we can kind of set us in a mood of, you know, a lot of times you wait for that next shoe to fall like, Is it going to happen again, and we spend time worrying about things. We call it borrowing trouble, and you know, we can sit here and worry about things that may or may not happen and we forget to live to the day today the day that we do have for sure Terry 09:45 in the present, right. Yeah. Roy Barker 09:48 Yeah. You know, I would encourage everybody to go on take a four mile walk in the August heat, just Terry 09:58 miles yesterday. Roy Barker 10:00 We had a we had a little come apart yesterday, I was a little overzealous, and I thought we had this place around the bed. I had this place, I wanted to take her so bad, but it was a little further than I remembered. So anyway. But, you know, it's one thing to it's that we did something yesterday, we wouldn't have normally done. And it was we're still healing from that. But it was fun. We've got great memories of that walk. And you know, that's the thing. I think that when we get older, you know, we start thinking about all these great memories that we've had in the fun things that we've done, we just can't lose sight of that. Karen 10:35 Yeah, yeah. And sometimes we just have to, you know, you're gonna have your good days, you're gonna have your bad days. And sometimes it's just surrender. Like, this is one of the biggest things I've learned this year is just surrender. Right? If my day is not going the way I planned, it's okay, I surrendered to what shows up, right? Instead of going, Oh, my God, my day should have been like this, I should have done that. And that's just beating yourself up, right? Sometimes the universe, your higher spirit, whatever you believe in, sometimes the saying no, like, you need to slow down. You need to just maybe get connected to nature. Go hug a tree, if that's what you have to write. I used to always joke about that kind of stuff. But then I learned that it's really good for you. But yeah, it really does. People are surprised, like, you'd be surprised if you actually go hug a tree how you feel right? But you know, and it's just just because like, my biggest thing right now is just be kind to ourselves, because we are, nobody can bully us more than ourselves. Roy Barker 11:36 That is so true, talking about surrender, I hate to use the immortal words of cheap trick, but there is there is a dividing line between surrendering and give yourself enough giving yourself away. And that's always been a line and that song that stands out that surrender, but don't give yourself away. And there is a way to surrender to the day to surrender to the circumstances around us that we can't control. But we don't have it doesn't mean we have to set us on a whole new path. That just means that we have to listen to the universe, listen to the energy and everything around us. And not fight that sometimes I think we can do you know, it's kind of part of that being unkind to ourselves, but we can battle ourselves so much that we just get beaten down. Yeah, Karen 12:24 it's so true. It's so true. And that's one of the biggest things I've learned this year is to just, and I laugh sometimes, right? Like if my day is going completely opposite, and everything seems to be blocking me from what I want to do. And I just once I catch it, because it's around awareness, which is what I teach people as well, right? And sometimes I just catch it, and then all sudden, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, and I started laughing because it's kind of funny, right? It's being shown to me every which way? Yeah. Roy Barker 12:55 I'm sorry. Go ahead. Karen 12:56 Oh, sorry. Um, you know, and I teach people as well, like, especially in massage while in coaching as well that our body speaks a language. So does the universe right? Our body speaks a language and it said, and it will poke you, right? Does this hurt? Does this hurt? Now like say you get a little back twinge, right. And then all of a sudden, you know, I'll get people when they all of a sudden can't walk. And they're like, my back went out. I don't know what happened. But they've probably been experiencing over. I don't know how long little twinges, little twinges. And we ignore it right. So the body will be like, are you paying attention? Are you paying attention? Same with digestive issues, like all kinds of stuff, but just to keep it simple? And it'll be like, are you paying attention? Are you paying attention? Are you paying it? And it will get louder? and louder? And then it takes I say it takes a two by four to you and say are you paying attention now? And that's usually when your back gets that goes out? Or you get some disease or whatever, right? So it's always, you know, we listen to our body when it gets too loud. Most people not everybody, so yeah, did you? Oh, I'm Terry 14:01 sorry. No, no, go ahead. No, I was gonna say did you uh, did you find yourself changing your diet, eating habits and eating different foods than you had before? I mean, did that help with your whole body experience and awareness of what's going on with your body? Karen 14:23 Yeah, so when I had when I found out I had cancer, right, like, I just was massaging my neck one day and felt this lamp and I was like, Oh, I didn't think anything of it. Right. And then, you know, to make a long story short A year later, and that's when I found out Actually, no, it wasn't even a year later that I found out I had cancer, and I was a big smoker. I ate a lot of fast food. And I remember being in massage school, like how can I treat people with massage and the holistic approach and be a smoker and eat fast food, right? But when I found out that I had cancer, I was like, Okay, this is my wake up call because I remember every day I was quitting smoking. Every day I'd light up a cigarette. One day I quit for like, four, four hours. I was all excited, found a cigarette, lit it up. And I was like, You idiot, like, what would it take for you to quit smoking? Roy Barker 15:11 Because it was so easy to quit. I'll just have a few more. Because there's like, it was so easy. I'll just have a few more I can quit tomorrow. Karen 15:19 Yeah. So that led me to quitting smoking, because that was my wake up call. I'm like, okay, I hear you, right. This is like, be careful what you ask for, because you will receive it. And then I decided that I'm going to learn about nutrition. And I met this holistic nutritionist who said, you can heal the body through nutrition. So I was like, oh, okay, I didn't know that. Right. So that's what I went back to school, became a holistic nutritionist. And now I'm partnered with a bunch of, you know, like many different professions, some people are functional medicine, practitioners and stuff. So I started learning even more about how our body works, and the food we eat. So it's, it's amazing, like, we really are what we eat. Yeah, that is a real thing. Roy Barker 16:05 That is something that we have learned, I think, one of our very first guest, he was a, an actual doctor card and cardiologist in but talked about food. And you know, so food is medicine, and that it's very true. Terry 16:21 And he was a chef, he was a chef, as well, at University of Montana. He was in charge of that nutrition program. And we called him chef, Dr. Mike is I Well, I kept getting it all confused, Chef doctor, but but good. I mean, talking about all the different nutritional aspects and what what to, you know, put turmeric with this, and we have different ailments. So, you know, just working with type two diabetes where he has and I have hypothyroidism. I was going to ask you also, Karen 16:55 did you have any thyroid issues? Then? I was hypothyroid as well. We're so had you been Terry 17:01 on like Synthroid or levothyroxine for years. And? Karen 17:07 Yeah, I did. I did. And it's funny because they they say, I don't know that. Out of all the cancers. thyroid is not, or I guess smoking is not contributed to, to thyroid cancer, but I wouldn't quote me on that. It's just Somewhere I read that I was like, really, that's weird. But what's interesting when it comes to disease in our body, is that I say it's from a stuck emotion. Like nutrition definitely is a big part of it. But thyroid, like anything to do with your throat area has to do with your voice not being heard. And you're not speaking your truth. Roy Barker 17:41 Hmm, interesting, huh? Karen 17:43 That I may have made so much sense to be graded out. Wow, that's a whole lot could be a hold on. Roy Barker 17:51 I'm gonna be having a treat this afternoon. Terry 17:56 I'm gonna get into the discomfort. Oh, yeah. Roy Barker 18:01 Yeah, there's so much about that the, what we hold in can be so damaging to us. And there's, you know, we don't, I don't think we, I think there's a path that we could take to not necessarily be a raging maniac. But there are ways to, you know, get that out in a pleasant and Terry 18:23 I don't say control, but you know, just in a way that we don't have to, you know, chase people off from us, but we can do the things to let things out of our body just like, lean into the fields and then not let it just stack a stack upon one, you know, one after the other to where you do feel like a raging lunatic. Yeah. Karen 18:43 Well, we're really good at baring our feelings, because we're taught that as children, right? Don't cry. What do you need to cry about? Put on your big boy pads? You know, big boys don't cry, you know, like, so we're shut. We're taught to shut down these emotions. What do you need to be angry about? You've got everything here. You know, like, you know, so what we've done is we've just buried those emotions. How that shows up later in life is it can be mental health, it can be, you know, disease, disease in our body. It can be all kinds of stuff, right? Oh, it's okay to feel the feelings because they're there to teach you something. Terry 19:21 Yeah. Children should be seen and not heard. That was a big actually. Right. thyroid. Child. Yeah, that's right. Roy Barker 19:29 Well, the, I guess there's something else that we talk on on my business show I've talked about before is its reaction versus response. And I think this is a good thing. You know, kind of it's something good to remember sometimes we have to respond on people. I'm not saying that we don't sometimes we just have to call it out like it is. But in a lot of times, it's okay to react and to feel the way that we do but sometimes we need to count like 12345 or 10 Before we actually make the response, make sure we think about it. And we're responding from that logical place, not, you know, just the emotion flowing out. And I think that's the, that's the part that sometimes we miss is we think that emotional, rad responses, getting it out. But I think there's a place somewhere in between where we can actually preserve relationships that need to be preserved. Now, I'm not saying that there's some times that some of those need to go away. You know, because we, it's like you, the people that you surround, you're the average income of people that you surround yourself with. Also, we can say, where the average happiness and health of those people that we surround ourselves, it's very important, a lot of influence lots of influence. Karen 20:47 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And it is important to Yeah, I mean, sometimes we need to control I guess those emotions, depending on where you are and who you're with, right? But then when you're by yourself, or you're going wherever you are, then it's like, Okay, why did I react like that? Like, why was that such a strong reaction? Yes. Okay, maybe I had to, you know, do the counting, right? You know, because maybe you're in a public place, and you don't want to have a tantrum, right? or whatever it is, or take it out on that person or whatever. But it's also thinking like, Okay, why did I feel that? Where is that coming from? Cuz that's that person just triggered you. That's it. Right? So, and with dudes, it's Roy Barker 21:30 different, because, you know, I still learning even at my age, I'm still learning, you know, we always want to fix everything. And sometimes it's just, so a lot of times I have to ask Terry, is this just a vent? Or do you need a solution? That way? I Terry 21:43 know. I love it. That's perfect. We forget to do that. It's like, Okay, are you Yeah. Are you just talking to talk? And do you need feedback? What's the deal, man, I'm just like, No, I just think that. Girls, Girls, Girls like us. We're all with the way that we respond. Is, is considered, you know, we're just always labeled emotional because we're females. And you know, it's got to do with their cycle or their menopause or whatever. You know, okay. Well, might have a little bit to do with that. But no, you're just being a jerk. Or, you Roy Barker 22:26 know, no car. Stepping. Karen 22:32 Oh, my God, you guys are flooding. I always say what did I there, there was a comedian that I enjoyed listening to on YouTube. What was his name? Mark, Mark Gunther, I think is his name. And he talks about how wet men and women are different, right? And how we think different, right? You know, and I don't know, man, depends on how you want to take this, but I my interpretation of it is, yes, men are the fix. It's right. And they want to fix everything. And women are the gatherers. Right? There is also another play called defending the caveman. That was amazing. Oh, my God, it was so funny. But But the way I see things and whether it's right or wrong, I don't know. But it's like, it's almost like, men need to know that they're doing a good job. Yeah. Women. I'm sorry, my battery's about to die over. And women, you know, we just want to know, do you have our back? Right? Like, you know, we want to know, is everything going to be okay? And sometimes that's all we need? Right? Do you hear what I'm saying? And is everything gonna be okay? You know, so that's my That's true. My very short version of that, right? So that's wrong, right. But that's my interpretation. And Terry 23:46 true. And there's a lot of there's a lot of truth to that. I agree. Totally. Roy Barker 23:51 I want to take a step back for just a minute when we were talking about, you know, when our days not going well, and I'm not good at this. So I'm not saying this is not me telling this is what I'm learning as I go, is that, you know, sometimes we bump up against that stuff, and we try so hard to make to fit a round peg into a square hole. There is a fine line between, like we said, surrendering or pushing forward and just bull you know, bolon our way through. But I have, I've got such an awesome example of this thing that happened a couple of weeks ago, there's a software that I use regularly. And I used the free version, and I wanted to upgrade to the paid portion that had a little more features so could not for some reason I could not get the purchase to go through. wouldn't go through and this was like, I don't know, not that much money. $85 $90 somewhere in there. A credit card. Oh, I know why my credit card failed because it was overseas, so they're like, hey, do you sure you know, we just want to make sure this is legit. Yeah, it is. still wouldn't go through, wrote the people anyway. This was just like going on and on. But in the midst of this, check in there stuff out, I found this other component, that standalone was like another $90 that I'm like, Oh, I would really love to have that. And then I found a bundle. I could get them both for like $120. I mean, it was amazing. But the way I look at this is, you know, the universe was protecting me a little bit by holding up this transaction. And look what I found, I got a better deal for what I wanted in something else. And sometimes we don't always find that answer. But sometimes, you know, there is a reason why things don't work out the way we want them to. And sometimes we have to be thankful that somebody out there some, you know, force or energy, if you have a God, your God is looking out for you. That keeps us from doing those things. It's hard. But if if we will take a look back and see the benefits of why that didn't work out. Usually there's always an explanation, I think, personally. Karen 26:05 Oh, my gosh, I totally agree. I absolutely agree with that. Because sometimes if we're just hitting these roadblocks all the time, whatever that is, right, like whether you're trying to purchase something or anything in life, if we keep hitting roadblocks, that's because you're not on the right path. Right? not in alignment, what you're supposed to what your purpose is, right? And it's like the the like you say, the universe, God, whichever has a different has a bigger picture for you. Right? Not going that way. It's going that way. Right? Roy Barker 26:41 Yeah. And we have to be sensitive to that. Because, again, there's fine lines with all of these theories, because, you know, there's the listen and see that it's hard. And then there's sometimes there's that, where you got to, you know, you have to break through. But it's like, if you've tried to break through five or six times, you know, sometimes you have to question Am I on that right path? Because there's also the theory, if you're on the right path, things just seem to fall into place. And it's much easier. So I don't know. I don't know where I come down on that. It's a question that we discussed quite often, you know, with things that we have going on is okay. Is this the push through moment? Or is this the You're not? Not on? Right, bad moment? It's hard. It's hard. Terry 27:25 It's hard to focus on the goal. If you're getting all those roadblocks. And there's a lot of those sometimes and being able to understand you just be aware that, hey, that is what happened is I was being blocked. You know, like with Roy's story about the software. I mean, the fact that you can realize that that was what was happening, you know, Roy Barker 27:53 yeah, well, this just wasn't I'm not saying that. I didn't just like put in my card and hit the thing. And it failed. Oh, no, no, Terry 28:00 And everybody, Roy Barker 28:01 I was calling everybody, I tried this transaction no less than 10 times. You know, I did this I did that it was just, I was a maniac almost there for you know, for a couple days trying to, it's like, I know, I can get this to go through and it just one way or another? Gosh, darn it. Oh, my gosh, yeah. But yeah, I think it's so yeah. And then what that did it. You know, it kind of hampers you in your efforts. Because not only did I get off track because that was when I was singularly focused on for a few minutes. But there was also a lot of negativity with this, like, what the heck is going on? And how can I fix this? And sometimes we just need to set with ourself. And that's kind of what I ended up doing way too late in the process. But I ended up just sitting with myself for a minute and saying, okay, something's not right here. It's going to all manifest. And sure enough, you know, when I got back on and got an answer, it all came very clear. Yeah. Karen 29:00 And sometimes that's what we have to do, right? Just take a step back. Just Okay, let's breathe, right? And then just let the answer come in. And there you go. We make things so we can make it very complicated at times. Right. Now, I Roy Barker 29:14 want to talk about your steps to intention. So don't let let's not forget that. But before we do that, you brought up laughter and we have a mutual friend, Kathy, that Okay, so one thing we've learned from this sheet for those of you that haven't listened, there's an episode out there. Kathy Nesbitt. laughter yoga. We may not have even published it. I think it's coming down and you need to go listen to this because the short story is that, Terry and Kathy, Kathy, yeah. Karen, Cathy hooked up and so Terry's going to sit in on the laughter yoga session, like what is the and so across the room, and I hear all this commotion. Over there, and I had to stop what I was doing to just walk over and see what this was about. And at first I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is this is, this is something different. And but after we got going through it, it's just amazing how we transformed where we were that moment. And as we use this as a follow up, you know, when I have to admit, sometimes I can probably be a little intense when I get focused in on something and do things. That's okay. I can admit that. But Terry will start this. Laughter this crazy laughter and it no matter what it makes me stop and start laughing, and it's funny how it changes the trajectory of the rest of that day. Because there are times that I can just go off and go down in that hole and stay there all the time. But anyway, to your point, laughter and being able to stop and just laugh at ourselves laugh at the situation. It's so important to our mental health going forward from that point. Oh, my gosh, yes. Terry 31:07 And the breathing, I mean, just the breathing aspect of you know, that deep breathing all of the, you know, working on your meridians, and even she throws in some tapping sessions and things like that. Are there What, What kinds of things do you? do you advise to do? Like, if you're in a Bosu, ball of stress? I mean, what kind of things can people do to try to take it down a notch so they can become self aware? Karen 31:42 I'll give you a great, that's a great question. Because the laughter yoga is a great one, because you can just start laughing for the sake of laughing right? Some people feel awkward doing it right. And, but the more you do it, then it's less awkward, right? For me what I do, so I'll either go to that, or I go to music. And I'll give you a great example. Because this morning, it was just like I said, it was one of those days that just things kept shifting, and I started getting in a bit of a cranky mood, right? And I'm like, okay, I can't be in a bad mood. about to go on a podcast. That's right. Because that just doesn't energy. You know, people pick up on energy, right? Me I listen to music, so I listen to music that brings me joy, that makes me smile that makes me want to dance and that kind of stuff. So all I did before this was to throw on some music. I like Soca Music, right? So I just put on some music and I'm dancing around my apartment. And it just shifted that energy. That was it. Right? And then it made me smile. It made me feel good. And then I was all set to be here today. That's what that's my go to is music. Yeah. Because Roy Barker 32:48 you mentioned that because we have the same thing. I mean, that's so funny. We woke up this morning, just be down from our admin. From my adventure. Yeah, even the dogs are like, Oh my gosh, I can't even get up. I don't even didn't even in our face to eat, you know, at seven o'clock this morning. And we were so dead. I told her I said, you know, we got a podcast today, we have got to raise that energy up. And she's like, we need music. And so we put it on, within a couple songs. You know, we were both singing and dancing and just, you know, it just really turned the day around, Terry 33:22 man. Right. You know, thinking back to good memories go into concert? Oh, yeah, I saw them. I saw that. You know, that's always my go to Oh, yeah, I've seen them in concert in it five times. Okay, what do you say? What kind of music Did you say souca. Karen 33:35 souca. Like, I like the I like like the, the Latin music like, I mean, I like reggae, like I like all kinds of music, you know, if it's got a good beat to it, and I can dance to it. I love it. Right. So that's usually my go to and that just happens to make me smile, and it makes me want to be on vacation. So, you know, it's just brings back those memories of being on a beach with palm trees for me. Terry 34:00 Me too. Roy Barker 34:03 So, yeah, I wanted to talk about intentions. Is there how can we become more intentional? You know, through our days through the week through our overall you know, bigger picture, what are some tips that you have for that? Karen 34:19 Well, I teach people, one of the things I teach people is awareness. So check in with yourself throughout the day. I tell people check in three times a day, because people can usually remember something. Three times I find if you tell somebody five times a day, they're not going to do it. Right. So things like when you wake up in the morning, how do you feel? What kind of mood you're in? It's amazing how you can wake up in the morning you can have the best sleep and you wake up in the morning and all of a sudden you're in bad mood, or you're depressed or that kind of it's like Where did I go last night? Right? I had a great sleep. Why am I waking up in a mood like this? Right. So and that And then I always teach people go right into gratitude. Find something you are grateful for it. If you can't think of anything, be grateful that you woke up today. Right, you woke up on this side of the ground, because that's, that's my go to is like, thank you for giving me another day in this playground, because to me, I say the world is our playground, right? So, you know, thank you for giving me another day in this playground. And, you know, I'm grateful for that, you know, maybe be grateful for the trees, or the birds or your animals, just something so simple, right? You know, it doesn't have to be this big thing, right? Just, you know, and a lot of people find it hard to find something to be grateful. And I'm finding that right now, a lot of people are in that. But I'm teaching them to like, just, let's find one thing, maybe it's, you know, your dog or whatever, right? Roy Barker 35:49 Yeah. Right, I think that we can all look, it's, you know, even if we're having a bad day, so, you know, in the heat of whatever's happening, it's like this, you know, there's nothing right in this world. But if you take a deep breath, and think about, you know, food, shelter, the basics of life, and you know, we, there are days, we go on walks in the morning, and it, you know, I can't even get to a point, I'm just like, it's just the beauty of walking every day is something different. We live in a great place with a lot of wildlife. And so, you know, like, last night, we took the dogs out, we had a big spotlight, and there was about I guess, three to three, four raccoons down at our feeders Terry 36:32 at the deer feed. The deer feed, Roy Barker 36:35 but you know, we have ducks, turkeys, we have all kinds of beautiful wildlife. But, you know, I think you have to kind of condition yourself because there are I'm not gonna lie and say there aren't days that, you know, I miss all of that, and I'm focused on this credit card thing won't go through or, you know, whatever this may be. But, you know, sometimes you just have to stop and look at this, look at the little things around you and realize what a beautiful world that we do live in full of opportunity. We are easily we can change our situations. If if it's just a bad for stuck in a bad situation. There are things that we can do. Karen 37:15 Yeah, exactly. So I teach. Yeah, so I teach people, you know, like I said, to check it in the morning, maybe check in at lunchtime or dinner time, I always find pick a meal to check in around. And and then before you go to bed, what kind of a mood are you and when you go to bed, right? And, and yeah, and just try to bring it back to I am grateful for if you're if you're in a bad mood or whatever kind of mood, just come back to your breath, come back to just finding something you're grateful for. Because there is something out there. And you can't attract good things. If you're living in misery, right? So if you want good things you got you have to go into gratitude. Right? Roy Barker 37:57 Yeah, cuz I think that our mindset that we're in, we attract that. And, and of course, then we seek it out too. Because, you know, again, I'll just speak for me and say that, you know, it's like, well, this didn't, this isn't working, right doesn't look good. And then all of a sudden, it's like, you can focus on all those things that aren't moving in the right direction at that moment, instead of saying, hey, the other thing too, I try to put it in perspective is how big is this thing in the scheme of life? You know, is it a piece, I hate to keep using it, but it's a good example, this piece of software, if I'd never gotten that upgrade, it really wouldn't have been a big thing. Maybe it can make, you know, some of our efforts that we do easier, but you know, really, in the scheme of life, it was nothing. And it was nothing to even waste. One minute being upset or disoriented or you know, out of bounds or whatever you want to call it. I don't think I wouldn't like fling and stuff around. But I was definitely you know, internally I was definitely you know, it was all welling up in me and just trying to let that go. Terry 39:03 Yeah. You mentioned when we were talking at our first conversation you mentioned about watching Esther Hicks on YouTube. I you know, I I'm on her email list for daily meditations that she sends out, but I need to I'm so glad that you mentioned that because I do enjoy those and I need to go back and watch her. What can you talk a little bit about what you incorporate into your, your life and your training Karen 39:43 that Esther Hicks I love Esther and Abraham and they so this friend of mine who I met through this network marketing company on with, she knew I was really stuck at the beginning, right and I was going through a divorce And going through all this stress, and all of a sudden, she just said to me, she goes, can you need to download this book called? Money and law of attraction by Esther Hicks. I had no idea who this was. But at that point, I was like, somebody just point me in the right direction, right? Like, I just hear, I'll go wherever you take me to write. And so I did I download that and she goes, go listen to chapter eight, I can't remember exactly what chapter eight was about. But what it what my big aha was about how we can change our thoughts through the day, and how, when we keep trying to think of the right word, when we keep repeating that same scenario, you know, like, how dare that person do that? How dare that person do that? Then you create all these different stories around how that person did whatever the person did to wrong you, right? Yes, this was me and my ex, right? Like, how dare he get another girlfriend, he should be fighting for us. But I was stuck on this story. Right? You know, and stuck in I don't know what I didn't actually really want the marriage to work out. But anyway, that's, besides the point. Right, but whatever. That's another story. But But anyway, but I was stuck on this story. Right? And, and the anger and all that kind of stuff, right? And when I listened to Esther, that's how I kind of learned how the the mind works and how emotions work. So I started learning basic things. And I'm like, Oh, so every time I'm in the past, I'm like, oh, wait a minute, my body wants to go back to the past where it's comfortable. Yeah, right. So I started understanding this stuff. It's like, Oh, okay. And even now what I'm going, like, start reliving something that's in the past, like, Ah, this is a chemical reaction. This is just me wanting to go where it's comfortable. No, we're gonna go forward. So that led me into actually Dr. Joe Dispenza, as well. So I ended up taking one of his courses and started just learning more, because I wanted to understand how I think, right, like, why does my mind think that? Why am I like this? Why do I do that? Why do I have all these patterns? You know, why do I? Why do I procrastinate all the time? You know, just all these things that stopped me from moving forward. That's, Terry 42:15 that's funny that I mean, not funny. But interesting is bring up Joe dispenza, too, because I have that. The What is it the habit, but breaking the habit and the habits or something out of yourself or, you know, bad habits of being yourself or something like that? And I'm just at the beginning of it, I'm getting bogged down by the scientific part of it. And I know I need to push through, because so many people have mentioned his work, and and how, how it has helped them throughout their lives as well. Roy Barker 42:53 It's funny, are you Oh, I'm sorry, brother. No, I was just gonna say it's funny, we heard this morning on the show, and I wished I would have jotted this lady's name down, she just put out a book about, about conflict and divides, but she called them something like misery entrepreneurs. And she says that, you know, we have to learn to identify the misery entrepreneurs and avoid them or stay away from them. And I thought, what a great term that is, because there are, you know, people in our lives that just, you know, they seek that out, they suck us into it. And it's just all draining. Terry 43:33 I think she was talking about resolution with conflict, it was some some conflict was in the name of her book, and it was on at one of the morning shows, you know, she but she was talking about it just in everyday life, but like, you know, the political class atmosphere and, you know, everybody has the same goal, they, they just have different ways to go about it. And, and just because one person thinks one way doesn't mean that it's wrong, and they're not the enemy, you don't have to go to that place in your mind where you think, Oh, yeah, they're not thinking like I am. So they're the enemy. They know nothing. No, you just have to kind of listen to everything in general and and be open to another opinion about things and how and see how other people are thinking. So maybe your critical thinking can get into that, that process and have not been able to get into your stuck mode, you know, because I know I go there all the time. I get stuck. And I go back to all of my old habits of thinking, oh my god, they're judging me. They're judging me. They're judging me. And I don't know why because I really don't care what people think about me. So I don't know why it's hard for me to come out and say something. I don't understand it. Karen 44:55 Because usually if we think other people are judging because we're all a mirror of each other So if you feel like people are judging you, where are you judging yourself? That's true. And it's, you know, people Esther Hicks is the best therapist. And really, when it comes down to it, people aren't thinking about me. They've got their own stuff going on. Who am I? What kind of ego? Do I have to think that somebody is really got me in their thoughts? You know? It's so yes, you are seized on that guy. Right? Oh, and then I'll go down that route. But that's what I love about Esther Hicks. Right. Like, one of the things lately, it was like, I wanted to heal some judgment around myself. Right. So one of the other healing part of my healing journey is doing plant medicine. And so last time I went to a ceremony, it was like, Okay, let's get rid of this judgment on myself. Because this is crazy, right? Like, it's, it's slowing me down. It's stuff that I'm hanging on to that doesn't that doesn't serve me anymore. Right. And I forgot where I was going with that. Anyway. But Oh, yeah. So one of the things yeah, so one of the things my friend gave me as she goes, here can go listen to Esther Hicks and judgment. And there's like, it just, it was my goal to she's the best therapist, honestly, she's the best therapist. If you're stuck in anything. Then go to Esther Hicks, if you're stuck on, I don't know, whatever it is, you're going through just Esther, Google Esther Hicks and anger Esther, Esther Hicks and anxiety, whatever, right? She's my go to for everything. And one of the things I learned about judgment is that there is nothing wrong with any of us. Nothing. Not one little thing there is wrong with any of us. You know, we just create whatever story in our mind because somebody planted something in our brain as a child. But there's really nothing wrong with any of us. And we're exactly where we are supposed to be right now. Right? We just keep healing and keep moving forward. Right? Roy Barker 47:14 Yeah, my priest has a good saying, you know, because when we get kind of mired down in our own thoughts is that our mind is like a grinder. But we get to choose what it grinds. And again, it's it's a part of the self awareness and realization that if I can catch myself starting down that path, it's like, you know, you try to replace whatever the negative thought is, with something that's positive, you know, if something's going wrong is like, Alright, let's think about these, you know, kind of the gratitude, let's run gratitude through this thing. And all the things that we could, would, should be thankful of. And, again, sometimes you can veer off track and you don't, you're not self aware, sometimes self awareness is the first thing that goes out the window. So you really have to be, you know, it's kind of like training ourselves. We just have to train ourselves to be aware of why do I feel this way? What is happening? what's around me? Is there anything I can do to change it? If not, then can we avoid it? Karen 48:18 Yeah, yeah, it's, uh, awareness is such a huge thing. And it doesn't happen overnight. And this is a journey of learning your awareness. And okay, here is my life lesson around this. I'll give you an example. When all the crazy times right when all of this first started, you know, a close friend of mine and I we were arguing like crazy. This actually almost ruined our friendship, right. And I see things one way she sees another she was trying to prove her point to me, I was trying to prove my point. And it was a big ego battle. Right? Like, it's just our egos fighting against one another. That is it. Right. So anyway, we went okay, that's it, we got to take a timeout, right? Because we were so angry. So a few days later, I kind of and I'm a big fan of journaling to get to my to get to the root answer of all this. And it's like, wait a minute, and this is my awareness. Right? Not everybody has to think like I do. That's what makes me unique, right? Like, not everybody has to think the way I do, and it's okay. And everybody is going through what they need to go through during this time to wake up, whatever that looks like to them. Right? And then and then once I realized that with myself, this taught me compassion. When I always thought I was a compassionate person. And then I discovered I'm not as compassionate as I thought. Right? So it was like, okay, but that was my big awareness. And I'm grateful that we didn't it didn't ruin our friendship because we talked about it and we just went, Okay, you know, you think this way, I think that way, and it's okay, because we're all on this journey together. At the end of it. Roy Barker 49:55 There's a there's a book that I read years ago called the slack And there's different variations from different authors. But I think it's the it's consistency in what we do. And I'm talking about like, awareness, being aware, journaling, meditation, actions and thoughts. So the premise of the book is that if you meditate one day, you're not going to get much, you know, if you journal one day, if you're aware, one day, we really don't get much out of that. But if we do it every day, and we're consistent over time, and maybe, you know, we start smaller and grow, I'm not really talking about that as much as just the consistency of doing this because meditation, very difficult for me, but I get so much out of it, if I just push myself every day. Because there are some days, I can't turn my thoughts off, I'm just like, all over the board, you know, instead of being able just to, for me, I like to think about my breathing, maybe, you know, have gratitude. Instead of Oh, my gosh, I've got a call coming up in 30 minutes, or, you know, need to take the trash out. It's just, you'd be surprised that when you quiet your mind, all these crazy, random thoughts that started coming in, but you know, it's like, I think that once you we, you know, we don't have to do everything at once. But if we start something, just be be committed to doing it for a long period of time. That way, you will finally start to see results. Terry 51:26 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Baby steps. Everything is baby steps. Or I was gonna say it's coming back to the baby steps to this now. And I'm, Karen 51:34 yeah, I'm a big the things you the things you resist. That's where you need to persist, right? Like I avoided I hated being quiet. I hated journaling. I hated all these things. I didn't want to do it. And I know, that's what I had to do. Right. So Roy Barker 51:53 another good book, I don't know why I'm pushing all these books today. But Terry 51:57 what's the down? name for this? Yeah, Roy Barker 51:59 what's the I can't think of his name now. But basically, he, he talks about the obstacle is the way and I think, you know, it's kind of what you're saying today is that, you know, sometimes, and also, when we solve a problem, it's like, it doesn't mean that this is going to solve everything for the rest of our life, we solve a problem today, and there's going to be others that come up. We just have to be prepared and be in the right mindset to take these challenges and different things on and realize that it's we're never going to be at a point where there's just nothing and you know, when, when I'm at a point where there's nothing, start looking around, because it's like, what have I missed, but we do have those good days where there's nothing, I don't want to overlook that. But life is just full of challenges. And we just have to learn to take them on. It's how we take them on. Karen 52:51 Yeah, but we need the challenges to grow. Yes, no, right. If we don't have challenges, then we're stuck. Now we're just like just living. We're just coasting. Roy Barker 53:00 Right? Right. So I like Karen 53:02 teaching people how to dream again. That's another one. Right? That's another part of my coaching. Like, let's dream again. Roy Barker 53:08 I love that. So there's so much there's so much Yeah, cuz I'm a dreamer. And that's one thing I have to, you know, sometimes poke Terry into just having that dream, you know, what, what does that look like? And sometimes they're not that you don't always have to have the achievable dream. I mean, some, you know, it's nice to dream and aspects that we can achieve. But sometimes we just need that time away. And just to have those thoughts. Terry 53:35 Yeah. And I don't, I mean, set, you know, I just got so bogged down from all the years of raising my kids put my career on hold, doing all that stuff. And then it's like, wait a minute, everybody's gone. Now what's going on, you know, so I don't even know what my dream is. But I know I've got a lot of them, I just kind of need to hone in on different aspects. Roy Barker 54:00 And this is such a good time in life. Because of that, you know, people always worried about older age, but I tell you what being you know, older has been, it's really good because you have a lot more freedoms, you know, we're not, we don't have the kids that we're responsible for every day. So we can do things we can take more chances we can. I don't know, we can dream, the dream and we can chase it. That's the most important part is that we have the ability to chase whatever dream we have, Terry 54:27 and it can become reality. Karen 54:29 That's right. That's right. There's nothing that says that we can achieve whatever it is we want. Nothing. The only thing that stops us is us. us we're like we just get in our way if we would just push ourselves out of the way you know, and that's why I'm kind of at now it's like I got to a point of like, Okay, enough is enough. And that's what I got that aha like, nothing's wrong with me. I am perfect just the way I am. Right and and there is nothing I can't achieve. That I want to do, right? Like right now I'm working on manifesting being in Costa Rica for the winter, because I don't like the snow. And our winters here in Ontario, go on forever, right? So I'm like, you know what I want to be in Costa Rica, I want, you know, like, my desire is to be able to rent a place, I haven't decided if I want to buy a place or rent a place, but whichever doesn't matter. You know, but I want to be able to run a retreat, I want to leave, you know, run a Leadership Camp, like with my, with my team, do all these things I want to do I want to have a private chef for when my when I have my leadership training and stuff, I wanna have a private chef cook for us. So I'm manifesting all this. Okay, well, what do I need to do to get there? Okay, well, I need to do some work, right? So, you know, I need to get creative, I'm changing the word work, because work to me has such a negative thing to it. So I now I just now, starting to use the word create, now I need to get creative. Right? So I can be on purpose. So I can get my Costa Rica for three months or four months, right? Awesome. I'm still learning, right? 55, I'm still learning. Roy Barker 56:11 That's a good dream. I like that, in the talking about creativity, something else is that we actually have to carve out time for creativity, because and this is the study that I referenced is more is more based on children, but then people have taken it and extrapolated it to adults as well. But when we are so over scheduled, and when you're in the heat of the battle, and I don't mean a negative. But if you're, you know, grinding out a project, or if you're doing this or doing that you don't have that time that our brain needs to be creative. it you know, we have to take time and make time where we can set with ourself or take a walk or whatever we have to do, to let our brain be creative. So I think that's an important piece of this as well as make the time to let ourselves be creative. Yeah, Karen 57:07 yeah. There's a lot to hate being a human, I say we're in university to be a human. That's it, right? Because, you know, you learn all these things in life. And if you start diving into this, this journey of finding yourself and finding that freedom, which is how 15 free came is that you start learning that everything you're taught growing up, I hate to say it are all lines, right? Like, you know, it doesn't mean you come from a bad family, it doesn't mean you have the worst parents or anything like that, or the people around You're horrible. You just don't know what you don't know what you don't know. And, you know, and then you start learning later that it's like, oh, wait a minute. I don't have to have a university degree or college. This was my thing. This is my, my thing that I've been doing a lot of healing and it shows up every now and then of like, you know, I was raised like you need a university degree or you need a college degree, otherwise you're not going to be successful. Right? Right. But that's baloney, right? Like I never was, I never liked school growing up until I found what I enjoyed when when I went back to school to be a massage therapist. But, you know, you don't have to write I mean, I look at one of one of the one of my mentors is is Bob Proctor. I love Bob Proctor, he never had a university or college degree and look at where he's at. Right. So if you follow who Dr. Bob Proctor or Dr. Bob Proctor, right, he's like a Tony. Right. To me. He's like a Tony Robbins. You know, similar, you know, different little bit, but he follows the thinking grow rich. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah, but he's, you know, when I heard his story, I was like, Oh, wow. Okay. So I don't have to have that. Right. I think you follow your doctor, but then you have to Roy Barker 59:02 follow your passion. There's a lot of, you know, things that people don't tell you. But there's so many other disciplines and things that you can do. And if you choose to get specialized education, then you know, it's easily available for you. But yeah, I think, you know, the last 10 years have shown us that sometimes having a trade or having that passion to follow. I think it's always the best Anyway, you know, you want to feel like you have something to wake up for every morning that you're, you know, you fling out of bed and run to get started on it. Terry 59:35 Yeah, Karen 59:36 yeah. And I'll give you an example. So, I the very first podcast, I went on, like this whole, our very first lockdown that we had gave me the kick in the pants that I needed, right? So it's like, okay, Karen, stop procrastinating on certain things and just get out there. Right. So the first podcast I did was, it was a little bit of a disaster, but it's okay. Right. My dog was barking in the background, all the things that I thought I could go wrong kind of dead, but it's alright. Right? conquer that fear. So but I was stressing because I had to send a bio. And for probably a good five or six hours I was stressing about and file and my dogs whining in the background and there's all this noise and I'm getting angrier and I'm getting frustrated. I'm like, freaking out here. And I'm like going, I want to hit things, right? I realize I need to buy a punching bag, because that helps. Stop right. There is sometimes like, for me, it's like, I want to hit these, but I also don't want to hurt myself, right? or anybody else for that matter, right? So that some guy way of moving that. So anyway, I'm like, I could punch a wall. No, cuz then I'll hurt myself. And then I have to go to the hospital and I could have broken my fingers and I can't work and yadda yadda. And I was like, I just thought of things I could smash and I'm like, okay, no, that's not gonna work. So I just took my cell phone and I just threw it on the ground. And I just screamed, I'm like, ah, I smashed my phone on the ground. And I sat down and I was like, Hmm, I have some anger. I need to move. And I started laughing, right, because it's kind of funny, but I journaled it. Okay, what is this anger and the frustration all about? And it had to do exactly with who's gonna listen to me? I'm not smart enough. This is all programming, right? I'm not smart enough. I don't have a university or college degree. Right? Who's gonna listen to me? I'm not smart enough. I feel dumb. I don't know what I'm doing. Bla bla bla bla bla. So I'm like, Okay. And then through my journaling, I teach people certain techniques with journaling. So I'm like, Okay, what do I need to do to make this icky feeling go away? My friend told me that one. So as I'm journaling this, I was like, okay, go find your certificates or any diplomas of anything you've accomplished. So I was like, Oh, I can do that. I've taken lots of workshops. I went to school for massage therapy, grabbed all my certificates, put it in a frame, and I was like, Damn smart. Right? It's just somewhere along line. Somebody programmed in my mind that I wasn't smart, because I didn't have this. But this is how it shows up. Right. Okay. So now what do I got to do? Alright, be resourceful. Let's Google how to do a buy all like it wasn't complicated, right? Well, anything. Yeah. When you're in that state, you can't think properly. Right. So once I started journaling it going, where is this stuff coming from? Right, just Google people who do Biles that are in the same industry as me. 10 minutes. It took me like, wow, five, six hours of wicked anxiety, anger, frustration to something that took me 10 minutes, right. And when I had to go through that anger and frustration to get to the root of where all this was coming from, and it just was, didn't feel smart enough. I know. That's lie. Right? I had to go through that to go Wait a minute. I have done a lie. Yeah, Terry 1:02:58 well, you know, and people have businesses that are not all of them are called those but they're called, they're like rage rooms where you can go and break stuff. And I went to Toronto. Oh, my gosh, I recommend it. I didn't even know I needed it. I went and visited my daughter in California and she's like, Mom, we're gonna go do this. I'm like, Okay, I'm up for smashing stuff. I felt so much release after I got done that. Yeah, I started looking at up here. I'm like, I'm opening up one of these raid rooms. We need to do this. You know, I was like, focus. This one here. Where we are in Fort Worth, has actually has a car that they lead sledgehammers to, I mean, but they'll let you. You break anything. mirrors, lamp mirrors. Oh my gosh, don't break a mirror. I'm the superstitious one. You know, it's like, oh, seven years. just smashed. Okay. In your Yes. Right. It doesn't count in this magic room. Karen 1:03:59 That's right. That's right. Nothing, nothing superstitious happens in it. Oh, Roy Barker 1:04:03 well, just for any listeners out there. I'll charge half price and I've got a lot of firewood out here that you can take all the rage out on this fire without here. Karen 1:04:13 I should I should see if the rage room in Toronto is actually open. I google that. But I don't know if it's still around. But it's a
I Want To Feel Better. Focus On Disease Cause and Prevention Featuring Dr. Linda Marquez Goodine I want to feel better. I think we've been shaped that way by social media, the news, I mean, everything you see, you go online, you order it, and you get it in 24 hours. You don't even have to leave your house for anything. If you want coffee, a pizza, but you know, it's not always the best option. As I always have conversations with patients because they want to get better About Dr. Linda Dr. Linda Marquez Goodine, D.C., C.N. Dr. Linda Marquez Goodine is a Chiropractic Physician, coach, author, speaker, wellness educator and podcaster who has been practicing since 1993. She received her undergraduate training at California State University Fullerton and attended Los Angeles College of Chiropractic. She has been licensed and practiced in several states including California, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee and is in active practice in Lake Havasu, Arizona. She is a certified Functional Medicine Practitioner with extensive postgraduate training in Nutrition, Functional Blood Chemistry, Functional Endocrinology, Brain Chemistry, Thyroid Health and Managing Obesity. She has been studying health and nutrition for over 40 years. Her mission is to help people get to the root cause of their health problem, fix it with a natural, drugless personalized step by step plan including addressing the mind, body and spirit for optimal living. She currently devotes her practice to treating difficult conditions using customized blood test panels, hormone testing, gut testing and additional functional test to get to the root cause. Her non-invasive therapies, natural remedies, systems based approach and passion for health have allowed her to help thousands of people. She keeps a very active lifestyle in addition to giving workshops, writing articles, in private practice and the mother of three children and is happily married to her high school sweetheart. She enjoys spending time with her family, running and reading books on health, fitness and personal development. Contact Information: 888.503.5587 info@premierhealthoc.com Social Media www.DrlindaMarquez.com https://www.instagram.com/drlindamarquez/ https://www.facebook.com/drlindamarquez/ https://www.youtube.com/c/LindaMarque More Information Linda Marquez Goodine, D.C., C.N. Premier Health & Wellness 540 N. Golden Circle Dr. Suite 112 Santa Ana, CA 92705 Office 714-599-3339 Email: DrLinda@PremierHealthOC.com www.premierHealthOC.com www.feedingfatty.com www.drlindamarquez.com Full Transcript Below I Want To Feel Better. Focus On Disease Cause and Prevention Featuring Dr. Linda Marquez Goodine Sun, 8/1 6:11PM • 1:02:20 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, people, food, body, good, talking, feel, thinking, protein, meditation, muscle, thyroid, patients, running, life, mind, problem, moving, brain, athlete SPEAKERS Dr. Linda, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:05 Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty This is Roy Of course we are the podcast chronically our journey through wellness or to wellness. We know we started a lot of talking about diets and what we eat not necessarily a diet but just trying to take a more balanced approach. You know what we eat getting away from the sweets and carbs. We've also you know, kind of gotten into exercise and movement which is important and mindset as well. We talk a lot about you know, what's going on in our life and we also have professionals that we bring on from time to time to talk to them so today is no different. We have Dr. Linda and I'm going to let Terry introduce her Terry 00:08 this is Terry Dr. Linda Marquez Goodine is a chiropractic physician, coach, author, speaker, wellness educator and past podcaster who has been practicing since night 1993 I thought that was that was a typo. I always say it's 19 something. She received her undergraduate training at Cal State University Fullerton and attended Los Angeles College of Chiropractic. She's a Certified Functional Medicine Practitioner with extensive postgraduate training in nutrition, functional blood chemistry, functional endocrinology, brain chemistry, thyroid health, and managing obesity. She has been studying health and nutrition for over 40 years. Her mission is to help people get to the root of their health problems, fix it with a natural drugless personalized step by step plan, including addressing the mind body and spirit for optimal living. Dr. Linda, thank you so much for coming on. There's so much more to say. But I want to get right into talking to you. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being on with us. Dr. Linda 01:55 Oh, thank you for having me on. I was just been so excited to chat with you. You both just have just you're full of just life and just I love your personalities. Do I go when I lived in the south for a little bit like in South Carolina. I lived in North Carolina and Tennessee. And then it's like you start talking like y'all and thank you ma'am. And this is Southern girl coming out. Oh Terry 02:22 my gosh, I would have been backhanded if I didn't say ma'am or sir. I still say it and people get offended now. It's like whoops, I'm don't mean to offend you. But Roy Barker 02:31 it's funny because I spent some time in the northeast and you know, I always said thank, you know, like a cashier to convince me Thank you, ma'am. You call them ma'am. You know, it's like it was an insult to be called ma'am there. Terry 02:44 Guys. Roy Barker 02:46 Well tell us a little bit about your journey. How did you grow up wanting to you know, help others is this kind of been something that led you down the functional path? Dr. Linda 02:57 You know, I've always kind of been I always saved I'm still a nerd I was I've always been a nerd and I always I kind of go back to middle school when I just you know you have those moments you know you have that day that you just you just know something's just gonna change your life well I had that moment when I was in middle school when a kid was he said some not so nice things about my about my body. And it was just that one thing that you know you you turn would say make lemon into lemonade. You know, life gives you lemons, you make lemonade and and I just from that time I was about 12 years old. I just just totally just changed by live I started I started running which then I fell in love with running and then my mom started taking me to the do remember Jack Lalanne? Yeah. So one of the first gyms that he had opened was in Orange County, California. And my mom would take me to the gym when it was women back in the day, it was just women were on certain days, men were on certain days and then on Sunday,we would split the time, ever since Terry 04:11 Wow. Dr. Linda 04:12 Um, it just it really just changed my life. I mean, I grew up under care under like chiropractic care. we ever got sick, which very rarely we did. My mom went just and got herbs out from the garden and just made us a tea and just said drink this. You know, we didn't miss school. If we have a little cough. It's just like drink this. You're going to school. It's not like nowadays. And she cooked for us at home. We weren't really want to pop a pill for anything. It's like okay, we're going to go to the chiropractor. And so that's kind of how I grew up. And I knew that I wanted to be a doctor. I wanted to help people. And I really wanted to be a brain surgeon because I thought that's like the hardest thing that anybody could do. That would be the coolest thing. But there's a little problem. I hate blood. Terry 05:00 That reading under it. Dr. Linda 05:02 Like, I don't know about that. And growing up under chiropractic care now i just i rant I because I ran a lot as well, I ran cross country and I started running marathons and so forth. But that's really what kept me on healthy and sane. And it was just amazing what they could do the miracles that I saw just in our in our, you know, in the practice, just watching people and hearing the stories, but in our, you know, with our family as well. So that's kind of where my journey started. And I went to chiropractic college, and from there, you know, physical medicine is working more on the body, the physical portion of the body. And then I got more into what's called Functional Medicine, which is more working on from a nutritional perspective, the biochemistry of the body. So that's kind of how I got involved in in what I'm doing now. And I love it. Roy Barker 06:01 So interesting, bringing up Jack Lalanne, because I remember my dad, and one of our neighbors, they would get together, I guess, whenever his show was, I can't remember like in the evening, and they had this, you know, like a slant board that he did a lot of stuff on slant boards, but he wore those like, coveralls tap things all day. Yeah. Terry 06:23 Yeah, but my dad had like a jumpsuit, it was just suit thing. And he used to mow his lawn mowed the lawn and it with his with his black socks that we thought we laughed forever. Like, Dad, you are such a nerd. And we cannot have any way Come while you're doing this. Oh my god. Well, that just seems like such a natural progression for you to go into functional medicine and the holistic side of it, since that's how you were brought up. And so you know, so many of us, it seems like now we just really want to throw pills at it and just fix it quick fix. We want the drive thru, we want everything now. It's just everything on demand. And it can't be like that, especially when you're talking about your health. Dr. Linda 07:14 I think we've been shaped that way by by social media, the news, I mean, everything you see, like you say you want something, you go online, you order it, and you get it in 24 hours, you know, you don't even have to leave your house for anything anymore. If you want coffee, you want you know, a pizza, which I don't eat, but you know it pretty much anything. If you want to you can google anything, you want to learn something, you just YouTube it and it's there instantly. But you know, it's not always the best option. As I always have conversations with patients because they want to get better. They want to say, Oh, well, if I do this, well, I feel better tomorrow, yet they've had an issue for years. And a lot of them like it's got to be easy. Otherwise, they won't do it. And it really frustrates me. And I think that's kind of where the mind training comes in. And I remember I believe it's Rohn Jim Rohn. He says, don't wish for things to be easier, wish for you to be better. Because when you're better, things will be easier. Everything you do becomes easier, not Let's wish that this was easier. And that's kind of the progression of where we have gone as a society. And it's really just just disheartening. Because we never get to, I think, reach our full potential if we just want everything to be easier. Terry 08:46 Yeah, and it just seems like I mean, everybody, I feel like everybody wants to do the right thing, but wanting and doing that. It's just not the same thing. Roy Barker 09:00 Well, and we found out it's, you know, we talk start have started talking a lot about sustainability. Because, you know, I'm that guy that wants to quit and cookies today and tomorrow, I want to see, you know, a big difference. And I know that's not realistic, but it's like, you know, that's the that's kind of the world my mind lives in. And so, you know, us trying to make these little changes and tweaks that we can mindlessly do from now on, you know, something that we don't have to continually think about and just because that's us, we we know what we should do. And we know how to do it. We know all the right things. It's just, you know, something, we can start but something will typically derail us like you know, I don't know just a change in schedule. Sometimes that's all it takes Terry 09:48 something happy or stressful either way. Dr. Linda 09:52 I think that's where the mindset comes in. And I that's where behavior modification and I look at my soul As an athlete, and that's how I say I'm an athlete, and if I'm an athlete that requires daily discipline of mine training, water intake movement, what fuel I'm putting in my body. And you know, when I'm in practice still, and I do functional medicine and physical medicine, the physical aspect is I'm still adjusting patients and I will share with them because they come in with like, shoulder problems, back problems, knee problems, or you know, a lot of kids their their necks, they're like this the whole time. They have horrible posture. And I'm telling them, it's not what I'm doing. And here, it's what are you doing the 24 and a half other hour 23 and a half other hours that you're not in the office when I'm working on you, we need to focus on. And I think when you change that mindset that you know, hey, I'm Roy, I'm an athlete in training and your training is so that you can perform better in life. And you can be the best version of you. Because I always feel if you if you're not feeding yourself, Well, you can't express yourself to the fullest potential that I believe God has given you gifts to share with everyone else. So everyone else is losing now. Roy Barker 11:19 We talked about this, that it affects us. You know, we I've got another business podcast, but you know, we had a guy on there talked about, you know, to be a good leader, we have to have that self care, we got to get our sleep, we got to eat right. And it's true. Because, you know, if you don't get enough sleep, you typically grumpier, you don't make as good or as quick decisions. And it just it, it really affects all areas of our life and our partners as well. Because when I don't feel good, I'm sure. You know, I'm not as active or as quick to do things for Terry as I should be. So we, anyway, that's a good point to make Terry 11:56 leading by example. Its such a when you think about it, it's like, oh, my gosh, what do I have? What do I have delete about? But you do everybody does? You just have to do it? Roy Barker 12:10 Yeah. And I'm thinking about the about you saying that you're an athlete, as I just got to thinking when you said that, I thought, Oh, I'm kind of like SpongeBob is SpongeBob, his friend, you know, like, Yeah, what is that? Yeah. What I feel like Terry 12:26 always thinking, I'm the athlete that's gonna join the hot dog eating contest. That's terrible. I'm kidding. That was an awesome analogy. Because I'm, I was thinking that's something I could do. If I thought I was an athlete, and started in that mindset, and started going toward that path. It might it, it would help me not might, it would help me try to get back in because, you know, we get off track. So Dr. Linda 12:52 we're even asking yourself, what would the best version of you be like? No. Do you have a game or having a picture of the best version of you? What would he or she look like? And it's totally up to you however you want that person to be? Terry 13:09 No. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, taking notes. Yeah. Roy Barker 13:14 You know that that vision because we talk a lot about in in business, where do we you know, where do you see yourself? How do we want to get there? So we should do the same thing with our with our health and wellness as well. So we had a couple different things we hope to get to. But I think we wanted to start with the five health strategies women should know that doctors don't sell them. Dr. Linda 13:43 We'll see what how many we can cover that. Yeah. interesting one, but let me tell you that because this is what I share with my patients especially as as we get older. A number one I'm like, you have to have protein. I'm like big on you've got it. I tell my patients and men and women I said the minimal you should be having as 100 grams of protein a day and have protein for breakfast, break your fast with protein. Because you have macros protein, you have fat, you have carbohydrates, you do not need carbohydrates to live, you do need fat because your brain is primarily made of fat and it will function off of fat, not necessarily I mean, it does also offer sugar carbohydrates. However, for every 100 grams of protein that you eat, your body will make 60 grams of carbohydrates. So it's still making carbs that other systems in the body can run off of it. Yeah, that's one thing I said eat protein for breakfast and, and I have them shoot for the goal. First eat 100 grams of protein. If you want to add in some carbs or something else after that, then go for it, and that way, most of the time, they're satiated. Not only that, they're starting to build muscle. And you when you focus on muscle, the fat just comes off. And you need to have healthy muscle in order to have a healthy body. Because there's other systems that benefit from having healthy, a healthy muscle mass, you know, in your body, and as you increase it, your fat mass is just going to go down. So that's one thing I said eat protein for breakfast and shoot for 100 grams. Roy Barker 15:33 Okay, okay. Got it? Yeah, because, as on the chiropractor side, I guess, you know, our skeletal system is very dependent upon our muscles to make, you know, because that's another thing I know, about myself is not having as strong back muscles. You know, I tend to slump over probably more than I shouldn't Terry 15:55 sitting at the desk and just, you know, look in different directions. And Dr. Linda 16:00 in the end, take a look at the older population, they look more emaciated. We were just talking like about Jack Lalanne. I mean, he was ripped, and he looked amazing. It's like, Okay, take him and a person that's running all the time, who hardly has any muscle mass, and they both break their hip, who's going to recover faster? I'm banking on the guy with the muscle, not the scrawny guy who is going to lose even more muscle mass because they're like, well, I can't move, I can't do anything. Whereas the guy that has more muscle mass, like why can still work my upper body. So give me some weights or let me do something and they're going to heal and recover because most of the older population, they don't actually die from a hip fracture. They die from the complications of a hip fracture, that hit home that really hits home personally, because that did happen with a loved one. No, that's why I'm like, even as we get older, and one of the common reasons people don't eat protein as they get older is because they their stomach, they make less hydrochloric acid to break down to proteins, so they don't feel like they're hungry. And I'm like, Okay, then you need to start supplementing with hydrochloric acid because yes, you do start making less however, you, you need that in order to digest the protein that you're eating. Terry 17:27 Okay. Interesting. Roy Barker 17:32 All right, so what what is the what is the second thing Dr. Linda 17:35 number two would be kind of like we're talking about, you know, protein for muscle is resistance training. Our ancestors were moving, they were they were moving all the time, the men went out and did the hunting. Right. They were very active. And women, they didn't just stay, stay, stay around the grounds and just chitchat. They were preparing things as well, they were doing so I'm a big believer of, you know, resistance training, moving heavy things, more functional movements, I do a couple different things. at the gym, I like to do more like I like to do squats, I like to do lunges, anything is going to work more the bigger muscles, you know, like, chest press, things of that sort. And I've also go to like a combat fitness class, which is a combination of like kickboxing, boxing, kind of martial arts and doing ropes and push ups and setups and you're just moving the whole time. And I believe that resistance training really helps a lot with that. And especially it just gives you more confidence. As women, I always feel like we need to be more confident. And that once again, is going to help build muscle and when you help build muscle, your basal metabolic rate goes up. So your fat mass goes down. And we have a tendency to focus I think we've had weight loss. The whole weight loss industry, that's what they're focused on weight loss, but whatever you focus more on, you become you have more of that problem. It's just like, what happened when Oh, drug free America. It's like, you know, we're having more drugs. Now. Why don't we focus on Hey, let's get America healthy. Terry 19:27 Say no to drugs. That's the whole thing. Dr. Linda 19:31 is like, let's let's focus on you know, becoming stronger, more functional in our movements, you know, posture and we're talking no kids who are, you know, here, it's sad that I have to tell kids, Okay, sit up, shoulders back, you know, the girls chest up, you know, and in their head is like, forward and like okay, you have like 12, a 12 pound bowling ball. That's way out here. And it's just creating biomechanically the body, you're gonna have a lot of other issues, lower back issues, mid back issues. And so just being mindful of even just your posture as well. So the the protein, the resistance training and the resistance training, you become more in tune with your, your, the physicality of your body, to your strength, your posture. Roy Barker 20:21 And even if you can't make it to the gym, you know, there are a lot of things. And that's a great thing I keep in kind of been on this kick today about how what a great time we live in, we have so much information and things at our fingertips. But anyway, the point was, I was gonna say, we can look up ways to do the resistance training around the house with things that we have, we don't have to go buy a lot of equipment. We don't have to go to a gym, we can do it, you know, right here, Terry 20:50 and there's a YouTube video for me, YouTube, whatever, there's something for everything. Dr. Linda 20:54 Absolutely. And those bands come out come really handy through those really intense because you're, you're stressing the muscle throughout the full range of motion, right? Like working with free weights at the gym. It's just like, okay, you get to maximal contraction, then you just, you know, kind of release it and go back down when you're using bands. I mean, you're working the muscle and full range of motion. Oh, it's great. Roy Barker 21:22 Yeah, and a lot of those two actually can help you incorporate that core strengthening as well, which I know that that's really important. You know, we tend to want to focus on our extremities, but that strengthen in our core, helps with balance and a lot of other things. Dr. Linda 21:39 100% Absolutely. prevents a lot of lower back. lower back problems, which, literally, I mean, probably actually have you both experienced some back problems. Roy Barker 21:52 Not just like, more, well, she's Terry 21:56 got terrible I have a lower back fracture I didn't even know I ever had and then some crushed disc in my neck. And I just feel like I'm just all shriveled up already. Roy Barker 22:05 Yeah, and I haven't had any thing like that. I mean, I was out moving some tree limbs yesterday and think I might have overdone it. So I've been kind of hobbling around like a older gentleman today. Dr. Linda 22:19 So you're, you're a little sore today. Roy Barker 22:22 very sore. Terry 22:23 I feel like if I move, you know, I feel like some mornings I get up and I just don't want to move because I hurt in those certain areas. But I know once I get going, I do. Close your ears, Roy. Once I get going, I do feel I feel better afterwards. I mean, I'm gonna be tired until I address the issues, you know, like I should, I guess. But the more I move, the better I feel along the day, and I'm able to accomplish more. Dr. Linda 22:57 And once you get going, it's kind of like okay, I'm going on, right? It's moving, it's moving. Right? Terry 23:03 You can do this. I can do this. It can do this. I can do this. Roy Barker 23:07 Well, sometimes it's like in life in business and health and exercise and everything. It's it's a momentum, if you can ever take that first step, the second step, and third step, they just become much easier. Terry 23:21 Yeah. Dr. Linda 23:21 And we have to talk to ourselves a lot of time. I mean, we all do, right. I'm not the only crazy one that's having conversations with her. Terry 23:30 I'm my best listener. talker, not listener, I don't listen to myself, I talked to myself. Dr. Linda 23:38 times we have some pretty intense conversations, right? I mean, in the morning, it's like, oh, you know, you really need to sleep you really need to get your rest. The other ones say get up. Yeah. And the other ones now but yeah, you went to bed late last night and it's like the the angel and the devil kind Terry 23:57 of exactly. That is exactly what it's like. Yeah, I hope nobody is listening to what's going on in my head because I know what I'm that's it straight jack and for me, I'm going Dr. Linda 24:10 all be committed if you can we all read each other's minds, you know, that person is thinking you look at them, like we're given the devil Look, Terry 24:21 if you could just give them the little white bubble, you know, that says what they're thinking what what everybody's thinking, you know, with the little dots on it, and everybody's thinking this. There's a cloud. Oh, gosh. Okay, we digress. Yeah. So what's the third thing, ma'am 24:33 Third one I always tell my patients do this as well is check their ability to digest their food. Because you can be eating all this great food grass fed organic pasture raised, but if you're not digesting it, it's like you have holes in your tank. Should one have a real easy way to do this. is to take the baking de baking soda test. There's another test called the Heidelberg test, but you have to go into the doctor's office and it's like three, I think it's like 300 bucks, you swallow something in there, a little pill and then it tells you how much hydrochloric acid stomach is releasing. But if you do like a just a baking soda test, I have my patients do this like for three mornings in a row. And what they do is take about a quarter of a teaspoon of baking soda, pour it in some water, put in some water, mix it about four ounces first thing in the morning and drink it, they should get a nice, healthy belch within like the first 30 seconds minute, and within three minutes, if you don't belch there's a good likelihood that you're low in hydrochloric acid. And you need hydrochloric acid of course to stimulate instruct the whole digestive system important for gallbladder function, pancreatic output on liver function, opening and closing of different valves in the digestive tract. So said you've got to make sure that you're digesting the food that you are, you know you're eating, because then you're not extracting the nutrients. And you're not triggering the nutrient centers in the brain telling you Hey, I'm full. I've had enough. Okay. in the morning. I'll do that in the morning, then you want me know? Terry 24:57 So it's a quarter of a teaspoon with water or ounces of water? Okay. Yeah. Roy Barker 26:40 All right. And I got permission to belch. Terry 26:42 Oh, my gosh, I was gonna say I don't think he has an issue. Sorry. Roy Barker 26:51 Okay, thank you. Let's move on to Okay. Dr. Linda 26:58 All right. Number four, we have been talking a little bit about this. But I think you've really, really have to train your mind. Because in the mornings, when there's times I normally get up at four in the morning, we like to meditate. And I remember this, I had gone to retreat, and I remember the doctors had, he's in my head saying Do you want to stay the same? Or do you want to change in the biggest time, there's two times throughout the 24 hour cycle, when your brain is more susceptible to changes subconsciously. And a lot of the things that we do on a conscious level, we can't change them on a conscious level because they're done via the subconscious level. So it's between it's right when you're waking up. And that four to five o'clock hour is when those brainwaves start to change, just like your beta brainwave, for example, is when you're awake, you're wide awake, and you're ready to go. But when you're sleeping, you're in what's called a Delta brainwave. So think about this, you're in you, you go through Delta, when you're asleep in a you're just waking up, it's called theta. And then when you're a little bit more active, it's alpha. And then when you're super active, it's beta. So you're going through that transition where your brainwaves are changing when you're just waking up. And also when you start winding down and going to bed. So that's the important time to really work on the that subconscious mind and with meditation, visualization, affirmations, speaking to yourself, recording your goals and actually listening to your goals in your own voice. super powerful. Terry 28:55 I have heard that Yeah. Many things, but I haven't done it yet. So I don't like to lose myself in that circle. I got an excuse for everything. I hear a lot. Dr. Linda 29:05 Yeah, do it. It's really powerful. And then, I mean, I go back and I have the recordings of podcasts that I do. like years ago before podcasting became so popular, just being on radio shows. And I'm listening to them. They just came up on my phone. I'm like, wow, who's this girl? She's smart. And I'm like, Oh my God. Terry 29:29 That's too funny. Dr. Linda 29:30 But just listening to your voice like no, Terry today's gonna be the best day ever today, you know, and then you're you're just you're really just speaking out to the universe what you want. Because everything we say we think has a vibrational energy has a frequency. The heart map Institute has done a study that our heart has like this big energy field. You know, and even just when you hug someone like you know, Heart to Heart instead of the side hug It's so powerful, you know. So I try to like, hug my kids and I just, you know, squeeze them. I'd rather have like a hug Heart to Heart instead of like a side hug. And it's just, you know, when you train your mind, you really can do anything as you were saying, it's like, oh, yeah, and I really, I really don't want to get up, you start finding excuses, of why you don't want to get up right? Roy Barker 30:27 Now, so much. No, that's interesting, because, you know, I've tried meditation over the years, and just never had much success. But you know, what I think I've learned lately is that it's not going to be perfect every time. But we have to stick with it. Because you know, I have better days than not. But the other thing we added is doing it at night, right before bed for me, because it clears my head, have all these other thoughts I've got going on. But it really relaxes me and prepares me for sleep. It's interesting how that happens. Dr. Linda 31:03 And there's so many different forms of meditation. I was at a retreat, and we were in meditation from, I want to say it was four in the morning till about eight in the morning. Wow. It went by so fast. However, yes, we were in the meditation for that long and it went by fast. And before I was just like, people were telling me that had attended the retreat. I'm like, there's no way they're like, it only felt like it was 20 minutes. And it did, it only felt like it was 20 minutes, because meditation really is just is just being aware. Well, and there's times where I'm like meditating. I'm closing my eyes, and I'm thinking about everything else I got to do. And then I just bring myself back to the present moment. And I'm like, No, no, no, no, no, just come back. And I just go, I just kind of, you know, look at my look at like, looking at something dark. And just breathe and focus on my breath. Yeah. And there's guided meditations. And you can start with the five minute meditation, just focusing on your breath, and just being aware of your breath. Roy Barker 32:13 Yeah, that's kind of what I do that I tried to do 10 minutes, but try to really focus on that. Breathe in, in and feeling that go all the way down, not in holding it for a minute, but then actually, you know, feeling an exhale. The other thing too, is I'm a very shallow breather during the day. And so that's a good time to try to train myself to take those deep breaths. But it's hard. I have to admit, it's a challenge to keep re centered or keep in the moment, because I'm like, you, I'm thinking, Oh, when I get through with this, I need to do this and I need to do and then but it's okay. I think I've learned for me, it's okay. I just have to stay say, Okay, stop, you can think about that. When this meditation is through, you don't have to think about it right this moment. You just have to continually remind yourself and recenter Dr. Linda 33:05 Yeah, and I think a lot of it too, goes back to just, you know, training your mind. Right, is really even the words that you're saying? Like I will, I would say so many times I can't meditate, or I hate meditating. And so those are, those are powerful affirmations in a negative way. Right? Everything we say, our body, our it's, our body encodes that. Yeah. And so we'll create situations in your life to make that true. And that's where the mindfulness and that's where training your mind. Like, I can do this. I can figure it out. There's a way if other people do have done it, I can do it. I'm not really sure how but I'm sure I can figure out a way. And then what happens you get some sort of YouTube video shows up a friend calls you get a text, something shows up a book falls off the shelf. Crazy things happen. Terry 34:09 World runs by it's like over the hedge that movie, you know, squirrel squirrel, that's me, I can get distracted by anything. Roy Barker 34:17 But I think that the the self talk too, is important. Because my dad used to have a saying that cat never could. And so you know, when we say I can't, it may be, you know, reframing that say how can I? Or let's figure out how we can not just I can't because Terry 34:36 if you want to have already made up your mind, Roy Barker 34:39 yeah, it's like whatever you tell you. When is it there's a saying about that, that you can be, you can be successful or you can be a failure. It's whatever you tell yourself. You'll make that right. You know, if you say I'm a failure, I'm a failure. Right? Yeah. Dr. Linda 34:56 Absolutely. And as you were saying, if you say something like well I can't do that. You can just add yet. Yeah, you know, sentence or as you were saying, How do I reframe this? Or if I have questions, I have patients and people that I coach ask, you know, what would it take for me to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah? And just throw that question out there? What would it take? And when you do that, something will show up. It's like Google, holding your brain in and it's like, oh, you know, why am I so dumb? It's like, Okay, well, your brain is gonna bring back memories of stupid things you did when you were a kid. And that's like, That's why, and why am I so awesome? Yeah, it's gonna bring you bring back situations of, well, you did this, this, this and that. So it's really, so much is really the mind training. And I think that's like a missing component. And that really should be the priority in anything that we do, whether it's business, whether it's relationships, whether it's we're trying to get healthier, lose weight, you've got to train the mind and is we're talking about my mind is, Hey, I'm an athlete. I'm not competing in the Olympics or anything, but I try to train like, I'm an athlete, so that I can show up as the best version of myself every single day. So we all need to speak to each other. Terry 36:28 Right, that I started reading, what is it breaking the perhaps the habit of being yourself? Dr. Joe Dispenza. Oh, yes, we have heard. I mean, he has been his name has been thrown around an awful lot lately. And so Dr. Linda 36:48 yeah, that's the seminar that I went to their slash retreat seminar that was meditation, neuroscience, and the energy in the room is just like, overwhelming me like, positive and just it's life changing. Oh, Ben week, just Roy Barker 37:08 say is the visualization and talking to yourself that use that power for good, not evil? Because I was, I was just thinking, how could I make some a bowl of ice cream appear? No. Careful watching. Terry 37:26 being silly. Alright, yeah. So okay, so that was the fourth one mind, train to mind. Dr. Linda 37:36 The fifth one that thats really overlooked that your doctor probably will never tell you is very rarely unless you're a functional medicine doctor is that you know, food can heal your body. Roy Barker 37:52 Yes, Dr. Linda 37:52 a pill doesn't heal a you know, heal your body, it just turns up certain circuits. So you're not feeling things just like if you're in pain, it's a pain pill, but still doesn't fix the problem. And if you look at the top conditions that we're dealing with, it's really bankrupting our country, from cancer to heart disease to arthritic knees, depression, those are inflammatory conditions, diabetes, you know, die, obesity, those are all inflammatory conditions that are caused by the food we eat and its lifestyle. And so, whatever made our body sick, we can undo it because the beauty of it is we we created the problem unless you were born without let's just say without a spleen or with one kidney or without an arm. You know, though, those are other. That's those are far and few in between, compared to most people that have type two diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, thyroid issues, heart disease, those are all lifestyle and even if you have a gene a genetic predisposition for those, it's so your lifestyle choices and how you live that led it to you. There's a sane and functional medicine, it's your genes load the load the gun, but it's lifestyle that pulls the trigger. Interesting. You can have the genetic predisposition for it, but you're the outcome of it doesn't have to be like your ancestors because you're choosing to do things differently and live differently. So food can heal your body. Roy Barker 39:38 Yeah, we are we have learned that we've talked to you know a lot of people that that is something that we truly believe and, you know, there used to be a I guess the theory or thought that you couldn't reverse type two diabetes, but I'm here to tell you that you will have a say in my opinion. You can if if you eat Right, and you move right and you do all those things. Most people, I guess, let's say the people that's lifestyle has created it, you can turn your lifestyle around. Dr. Linda 40:11 Absolutely, yeah. 100% I have seen that and even with heart disease and show many people on medication, and I said you can, food can heal your body. Absolutely. 100%. And it doesn't really benefit a doctor to tell you that. If they're just it's typically a five or seven minute office visit. You can't teach them in that time. And why are you eating that? You know, and sometimes it's deeper than that. There's there's emotional things. And that's why go back into Well, what's going on in the mind? What are you telling yourself? What conversations are you having with yourself? What conversations are you having with everyone else around you? Both all really, they all tie in, you know, together, all five of them. But food can heal and we're talking about food in its most natural state. And well, Terry 41:09 thats the key right there. Because it's, you know, so much of our food has just been processed and additives and, and supplements as well. So you have to be careful with your supplements if you're taking supplements, but you should try to do as much with with the whole foods first before adding a supplement. Correct? Dr. Linda 41:33 Absolutely in in with supplements, it's there to supplement, it's very difficult to get all the nutrients that you need, unless you spend the entire day just focusing on that because the food quality today is not the same as it was 50 years ago. Even not saying like McDonald's. They weren't as bad. You know, 30 years ago, 40 years ago. It's pretty bad now and you know, so many of the fast foods I mean, it's it's fast food, and I don't even know what a hamburger costs at McDonald's and how but I'm sure like they're making a huge profit because it's the the cheapest food that you can get, Terry 42:22 right? It's probably you know that much real beef or whatever they want to call it. And then the rest is just junk, just junk that they've thrown in. Well, Dr. Linda 42:34 nowadays, too. There's a science to food a lot of there, there's food scientists that there's a lot of chemicals in the food that will actually trigger parts of the brain so that you're not satisfied and you just want more. And there's nutrient sensors in the brain that tells you when you're eating good food, healthy food that you've had enough to eat, and that you don't need to eat anymore. You don't junk food and chemically processed food does not have it doesn't sensor, it doesn't trigger those nutrients sensors in the brain telling you stop eating, you've had a month, it doesn't. Whereas it's really hard to sit down and eat two pounds of steak. I can sit down and eat a pound of ribeye, but I can't sit. You know. I'm sure that after a pound of ribeye, I'm like, Okay, I'm good for a while on stuff. I'm just satisfied. Yet people can eat a whole pizza. And there's no there's hardly any nutrients in that pizza. And they're just like, okay, now I've had a whole pizza and they're more like bloated Terry 43:42 And they want dessert Dr. Linda 43:44 They feel uncomfortable. But they still can have dessert. Yeah, they'll still keep eating. Roy Barker 43:50 So what about these? Speaking of the, you know, food can be medicine, you see a lot of these charts that they how the different foods easily fruits and vegetables, how they align with parts of our body. You know, we've always heard about like the carrots and your eyes side. Tomato, I think it's tomatoes and your heart. But there are some really good infographics out there that have that is is there some validity to that? Dr. Linda 44:22 You know, that's a good question. We used to share that with people. Honestly, I think a lot of it is more just encouraging people to to eat more of the real food. It's like okay, if if like you say carrots are good for the eyes. Okay, what does that just mean? If I have a little sliver of carrot, I'm good to go. It's where we have to look at Well, how much of carrots right for your eyes, you know, what state and so forth. So, yeah, a lot of the vegetables and fruits there's a lot of vitamins in them and minerals. And how much do you have to eat of that too? Right? Well, there, there is some validity to that. But a lot of the studies don't really show Well, what's the quantity that you have to consume? Is that 100 grams, 200 grams, then we really are getting into the science of all that. Terry 45:19 Well, then if you have, you know, like one of those, if you have something like type two diabetes, or thyroid issue, or hypothyroidism or hypertension, then you have to worry about, like, the fruit, the sugar and the fruits and which, which of those break it down even further to which of those fruits actually are going to be more beneficial to you? Dr. Linda 45:45 Absolutely, absolutely. Yes, you, especially a person that's a diabetic, they'll say, Oh, yeah, I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. And it's, it's like six cups of fruit a day, and maybe like their vegetables considered a carrot, or corn or potato. Like sorry, that's not a vegetable doesn't count like is your vegetable serving. And so really, everything is customized for each person to figure out, you know, what works for Terry, what works for Roy, you may be on two different eating templates. Like, my eating template is different than my husband. And it's funny, because he's like, Okay, what eating? What eating plan are you on? Now? What are you doing now, and I'm like, I'm always rotating, because it's like, the Four Seasons, right? It's like summer, a lot of people eat more vegetables, you lean out more winter, you put on the winter coat, because you're probably you know, eating more, you're eating just more probably snacking on things because you're inside more. When the summer you know, you're outdoors more. So I'm always changing my, my palate changes a lot. And so I rotate the foods that I eat as well. Sometimes I'll be carnivore, where I'm just eating meat. And there was a time where I was a vegetarian, there was time when I was vegan. And there were different times in my life, where I was just doing something different. And it just didn't work for me, it was okay, I was I when I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go back and do plant based. And then 20 years later, I decided to plant base for just a short period of time. And I'm it just it did not agree with me. I was I felt horrible. My skin was horrible. I got bloated, and I'm like, there's no way I'm going to continue to do this. And for me, and for my body chemistry, it just it didn't agree with it. And we tend to forget that. I'm not sure if you're familiar with like lectin. And, you know, in plants there's, you have, plants can't hide, they can't run away from us. So they have their own little defense system. And if we eat them, it's like, hey, they have their internal defense system, like phytates. Whereas like an animal, you know, that's going to be our dinner, but they can run right into for us in euphoria to eat plants. We're still eating something that doesn't want to be eaten. So it's really looking at each once again, like when I work with patients, it's like, Okay, I need to know their history. What you do have kids, what's your ancestry? What medication are you on? What is your goal? To figure out what eating template works for them? And then we just tweak it as as we go. And just depends on what is the goal when you try to diminish some of the cardiovascular issues you have or you know, control blood sugar, it's just like you want to optimize your thyroid because even like, you mentioned some before Terry about with thyroid, sometimes women who have too many cruciferous vegetables, it can inhibit that whole fibroid on conversion. Right. So yeah, there's a lot to this. Roy Barker 49:02 Yeah, and then so OK, I think the other important part that you've mentioned is it's okay to tweak, you know, we we can start down a path. And it may not be working exactly the way we need or want it to, but maybe it just takes a little tweak to, you know, get it just to that right spot. And that gets back to I'm sure. You know, you encourage people keep that keep an eating diary. So we know what you're putting in if you're testing your blood, you know, test your blood sugar's you stay on top of your blood pressure, and then you can see how you're eating affects all these things. Dr. Linda 49:41 Absolutely. Terry 49:43 And how, Okay, can we I know there's so much to talk about, but I do want to make sure upon this too. So five reasons that you're not losing weight. Oh. Dr. Linda 49:56 All right. Well, let me run those really quickly. Yeah. Come on down, especially with women as we get older, but one is having low thyroid function. Remember thyroid is a low butterfly gland here that, that really you have thyroid receptor sites and every cell in your body and they are responsible for the basal metabolic rate. So how fast everything goes? Sure, if you have low thyroid, no matter if you're eating clean, you're exercising but you don't address your thyroid. And then you're going to continue to struggle with that. And I've seen that Peto people that go, keto, paleo, they do plant based, they do vegetarian. And I'm like, well, you're if you're, if you don't know your thyroid markers and women, the reason women start to have more thyroid issues as we get older is because our estrogen levels drop, right? We need estrogen for healthy thyroid function. And because of stress that'll interfere with that. So low thyroid would be number two low iron levels as well. I will see that with a lot of women who they don't want to eat, you know, animal products because they they've been told the the narrative is eating meat is bad for you eating meats gonna cause cancer, eating meats gonna raise your cholesterol So I often ask people my goal. How often are you eating like a steak or ribeye? Well, I don't eat red meat. I eat really healthy. I'm like, Well, whatmakes you think they're red meat is not healthy. You know? It's kind of like having you know, why is chicken healthy? And why is beef? not healthy? Why steak not? It's more looking at? Well, how was the animal raised? animal was raised on what steroids antibiotics? Does it make the chicken healthy? No! Terry 51:46 Right? What kind of meat it is? process? Just foods. Dr. Linda 51:51 Yep. So the low thyroid, the low iron levels, we see a lot of that you need to have healthy iron levels in order for your thyroid to work properly. And of course, we have all time, low iron levels, you're tired a lot of the time and if you're tired, you're not going to want to exercise. You get lazy, you get complacent, you know you're irritable. You're grumpy. So you just don't feel good. Terry 52:13 What do you got the funny look in his eye like, No, Roy Barker 52:17 no, no, no, no, I'm just saying. You know that that's the way that goes with, you know, with sleep that starts the downfall of, you know, grumpy not x not wanting to go exercise just leads to a lot of places. Yes, Terry 52:31 I'm sorry. Dr. Linda 52:32 Another one is even on we talked about and if you're not eating enough protein. So I know that I've gone through that even with patients. It's just like people do keto and keto is very high fat, kind of moderate protein. I like to do more of a higher protein, higher fat and then drop down their fat so that fat is just for the purpose so they can feel full. Terry 52:57 Okay, Dr. Linda 52:57 break your sugar cravings. And then number four would be stress. You know, stress can be physical stress, chemical, emotional stress, and like you were saying, Roy, I mean, one of the physical stressors is not eating, not sleeping enough not getting adequate sleep, right? Because a lot of healing fat burning occurs while you're sleeping. Yeah, your body's recuperate. Anytime that we're awake, your body's in a catabolic state mean it's, it's breaking down. Anytime we're resting, we're sleeping. We're in an anabolic state, meaning we're recovering. We're building muscle recuperating. So stress the physical, chemical, emotional chemicals, you know, everything that we're eating everything we're putting on her skin, everything in their environment, and emotional comes with our relationships. The most important relationship is the one that you're having with yourself. After that, that mindset and the positive self talk and creating a mind movie a life movie, a life script of what would you want your What was your What is your ideal life, like, and visualizing and seeing it and hear it every single day? It's like, man, I tell everyone, I said I have the best husband in the world. I said, because every morning I just I say that I'm like, I'm so grateful. I have the best husband in the world. So I tease them and I tell him I'm hypnotizing you every day. He is and he's an awesome husband, you know, and then the other one that we overlook and a lot of people overlook and you're hearing more and more of this now or gut infections. I don't know how much you you're learning about, you know, interviewing all these people, but gut infections are huge with parasites bacterial H. pylori, when you're not making enough hydrochloric acid to digest the food, she'll get infections are huge, and I really believe that that's one of the one test that everybody should do and kind of connecting this with COVID. You know, a lot of it has to do with your immune system. And because a lot of people ask me well about COVID, and the shedding and all this, and I'm like, you know what a virus is going to thrive in a weak environment. And it's always looking for a weak host. And guess what 60 80% of your immune system is in your gut. How many doctors are checking your gut for infections? Very few. And that's one thing that's so overlooked. And I think I would prefer running a GI map a stool test over on blood tests sometimes and probably would get better results with patients. Because when you have gut issues, you're going to address that with what diet? Terry 54:17 That's great. Right? That's right. Roy Barker 55:43 Yeah, that's those are two things that I think we have learned or I'll speak for me, those are two things I have learned as we've done the show gut health, because like you said, was it 70 or 80% of our immune system starts there. And the other one is inflammation. It's like inflammation seems to be you know, the bane of all bad things that happened to our body. Start with the inflation. Dr. Linda 56:11 Yeah. Your body says, Yeah, when your body's inflamed when you're inflamed. Guess what? You will end up with a leaky gut. And when you there's the gut brain connection as well. So when you have leaky gut, you have leaky brain. Oh, Terry 56:25 yeah. Dr. Linda 56:26 Huge connection with that. Yeah. So inflammation impacts the gut is well, right, Roy Barker 56:32 right. Excuse me. Terry 56:34 Yeah. Oh, my gosh, I remember we had a we we've had a few guests that have talked about leaky gut leaky brain. But recently, we had we had an is Delia neurologists. She's neurologist, she's dead. She's something to do with neurology. I can't think of exactly what her title is. Dr. Linda 56:57 And even a lot of psychologists now are starting to work with their patients even address them. And psychiatrists, instead of giving them medications just like, hey, they're running more labs now. And even a person that's depressed can have low iron levels, and they're like you're depressed and the low iron levels or have low functioning thyroid, and they want to put them on some sort of medications, like, Okay, my low iron levels, and my low thyroid levels are also connected to my diet. Roy Barker 57:26 Right? Yeah, exactly. Well, I know we're running way long. But we did want to get those last ones in there. And we certainly do appreciate that. Did you have something else, Terry? Terry 57:38 No, no, that was great. I know, I can talk to you all night and get leaky brain. I'm like, oh, gosh, now I gotta go worry about I gotta take my omega 369 oil right after this. Working on that I'm working on not getting all timers or dementia. Working on all of that in my gut. Roy Barker 57:58 Dr. Linda, we'll have to have you back on we could like I said, we could go on for another hour very easily. But yeah, we thank you for your time. What is a habit? Or a tool? What is something that you do or use every day in your life that you feel like adds a lot of value professional or personal? Dr. Linda 58:18 gratitude? Excuse me, lets you know, excuse me? Terry 58:36 Oh, my goodness. Dr. Linda 58:39 I'm okay. Okay. Terry 58:42 Gratitude isn't like good. I mean, that that is a really good one. I have to remind myself all the time with my angel on my devil on my shoulder saying gratitude, gratitude, gratitude. You have to if you don't if you're not grateful, then we'll have to look at the good things that are happening because everything else will pile on and it'll become a bad situation Roy Barker 59:09 you know, even on our worst days, you know, we have to remember there's somebody that's got it much much worse than we do we have a sha you know, we have third world or first world problems, you know, we've got shelter, we've got food. But you know, we worry about the internet not working or the computer not being fast enough. So yeah, we really need to watch that because that just adds to needless stress and I'm in that person. So I'm speaking from personal experience there for sure. Dr. Linda 59:41 so grateful that I still have my voice for some reason. I need water. Terry 59:48 That's right, that just goes to show you you can never drink too much water right. Roy Barker 59:55 Alright, so who do you like to work with? How can you help And then of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you? Dr. Linda 1:00:03 Well, I would say the people that are willing to take responsibility, so I'm losing my voice here, fitness. Or say people that are willing to take responsibility and are ready to make a change. Okay. Yeah. And most people that come to me have been to, oh, gosh, 7,7,8,9, sometimes even 10 doctors before, you know, they come and see me. And they're at their wit's end that see if I can get my voice back here. They're kind of at their wit's end of just, they don't know what to do anymore. Excuse me. And the best way to to get ahold of us is just go to our website, Dr. Linda Marquez.com Roy Barker 1:00:57 Okay. All right. Great. Well, and we will include that in the show notes. Again, thank you so much for your time. It's been very educational and enlightening. Yeah, we appreciate that very Terry 1:01:07 much. Dr. Linda 1:01:07 Thank you both. And I appreciate what you're doing, and just how you're sharing the information and bringing on guests to educate and help other people and just contributing to the good of this world. So I want to acknowledge you both and thank you for that. Roy Barker 1:01:23 You bet. Terry 1:01:24 So glad to have had you on here and we'd love to have you back. You've bee a wealth of information Roy Barker 1:01:31 well, we never talked, I wanted to also talk about energy. You talked a little bit about that. That's something we've learned a lot about as well. So next time we can do that. Dr. Linda 1:01:39 Sounds good. Roy Barker 1:01:40 Alright, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding fatty. Of course, I am Roy. I'm Terry 1:01:44 I'm Terry Roy Barker 1:01:45 You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, for not a one that you listen to let me know I'd be glad to get it added to make it easier for you to listen. 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Change Your Habits, Change Your Future. Create Your Best Life Now! Featuring Dr. Lauren Keir Simmons We need to listen to our bodies. For whatever reason, even when we have a feeling that is abnormal, most will tend to kick it down the road until it develops into something more serious or worse yet, beyond help. It doesn't hurt to do some research to verify what we are told and don't hesitate to get a 2nd opinion. About Dr. Lauren Dr. Lauren is a Certified Health Coach who went on a 2 year wellness journey in 2015. During this health journey, I experienced the hormonal ups and downs of an autoimmune disease which took me from 219lbs to 118lbs. After taking my autoimmune disease (Hashimoto Thyroiditis) into remission (in 8 months), I knew I had the skills to assist YOU at solving problems, changing bad habits and living a healthier lifestyle. Lauren Keir Wellness was born. www.laurenkeirwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Change Your Habits, Change Your Future. Create Your Best Life Now! Featuring Dr. Lauren Weir Simmons Sun, 8/1 4:12PM • 56:14 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, people, migraine, day, happening, body, autoimmune disease, medication, individuals, doctors, remission, pinched nerve, sugar, laughing, olive oil, symptoms, reiki, hypertension, food, Dr. Lauren, Change Your Habits, Change Your Future, Create Your best life SPEAKERS Terry, Dr. Lauren, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:06 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy, Terry 00:09 this is Terry. Roy Barker 00:09 So we're the podcast chronicling our journey to wellness. And of course, you know, when we started this, it was mostly about our diet, not a diet, but mostly you know what we were eating, trying to get that under control. And then we've talked a little bit about exercise, you know, and we've also pushed a lot into mindset, because even though a lot of us know what to do, it's actually getting it done, and then getting it done, where it's sustainable into the future. You know, I have to admit, I'm very good at getting something started. But you know, things change a month or so and then, you know, we're off track. So anyway, we're just looking for that path to where we can, you know, find the healthy wellness way and be able to stay on it. So a lot of times we talk about, you know what we're going through on our journey, but we also have professionals in the industry and today, we have Dr. Lauren with us, Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce her. Terry 01:06 Dr. Lauren Keir Simmons is a certified health coach who went on a two year wellness journey in 2015. During this journey, she experienced the hormonal ups and downs of an autoimmune disease, which took her from 219 pounds to 118 pounds. After taking her autoimmune disease, harsh hashimotos thyroid thyroiditis, that's a mouthful into remission. She did that in eight months. She knew that she had the skills to assist you at solving problems, changing bad habits and living a healthier lifestyle. Lauren Keir wellness was born. Dr. Lauren, thank you so much for joining us today. I am so excited to hear about your journey. I have heard about it, but everybody else needs to hear about it because it is something else. tell tell us how how did you know i know i just read that. But tell us in your own words, what happened to get you onto this journey here? Dr. Lauren 02:08 Yes, I was actually driving down the highway. And I experienced what I know now is an intractable migraine. And the the migraine, it was like a bolt of lightning that hit the top of my head and it zigzag through my body. And then it stopped at the bottom of my feet. Wow. And that was essentially the beginning of my wellness journey. I had no idea what it was at the time when it was happening. And I was driving down the highway, I thought that I was having a stroke. That's how bad it was. I you know, immediately, you know, turned around and went back to the nearest emergency room to find out you know, discover what was going on. And so that's what I learned after a little bit the initial restart, that it was what was diagnosed as an intractable migraine. So that's essentially what it is and what it was in a nutshell. And it has continued. It is essentially continue. Terry 03:16 Well I'm What's the difference? I mean, what's the difference between a and I've had migraines off and on for years. What's the diff? What's an intractable mind? What does that mean? Dr. Lauren 03:24 So so it laid the it was labeled and neurologists labeled it as an intractable migraine because it never stops? Oh, wow. Yeah, it just never said never stopped. They kept going on and on and on. And what happened was that neurologist at that time, she attempted to, you know, prescribe medications. And what she discovered was, was that medications would not, were not able to stop the migraine that it was. It was innnate. So it was biological, and it was not anything that they could do to No, there was no medication, you know, there there are general medications that they give you for them. The hypertension medications, they try seizure medications, and so forth. And none of that will work for me. So she said to me, at the end of 90 days, you're going to have to go natural. She said none of this will work for you. You're going to have to go natural. Roy Barker 04:27 Yeah, no, just the question. I think you answered a little was, you know, was it you said it was biological, not like life circumstance. So what what is the trigger? Is it just something that was born genetically or was there something else that triggers that? Dr. Lauren 04:45 Essentially, she did not know. And so what would what she meant by where I had was I had to go natural was I had to figure out like a natural solution. Whether it was How can I put it, whether it was a lack of nutrients in my body, whether it was food allergies that was causing it, you know, whether it was something environmental, possibly that was causing it. And you know, and I would have had to do the research, which I essentially did to learn, you know, what was happening. So there was several things that was that were going on at that time with my body. At that time, I had not yet been diagnosed with hashimotos thyroiditis. And so that was one thing that I learned. And then I had to get to, it went on to I had to get to the root cause of what was happening. You know, what, what brought on the hashimotos thyroiditis, because there is a root cause there's several root causes to Hashimoto thyroiditis, and most people never get to the bottom of their autoimmune disease, they just go ahead and take the prescription medication and the autoimmune disease never goes into remission. It just stays there. You're basically medicating it is what you're doing. Terry 06:07 So putting a bandaid on, Dr. Lauren 06:09 you're putting a bandaid on it. And so it was there was several things that were going on. At that time, I was perimenopausal, I had an autoimmune disease. And then I had the migraine. And so it was like what are we going to address first with the lesser of the evils? Yeah. Terry 06:26 So what did you Where did you start? I mean, you have to get a hold of those migraines as much as you can. So yeah, the least function. Dr. Lauren 06:36 So it's interesting, because I'm actually able to function with them, which is a bad, it's not a good thing at all. I learned to function with them. And I've had people to tell me, I don't know how you do it, because they bring me to my knees. Well, it's only a few of them that I've had that have actually like brought me to my knees where they makes me sort of kind of make me go blind, because you know that migraines will get behind one eye that I can I can literally function with them until it gets to that point. And then that's when I kind of you know, I kind of slow down. But I have, you know, since then began addressing the migraines, because you know, everything else is in check. Terry 07:25 Right? Roy Barker 07:27 So how have you found anything that has helped or anything that maybe you've cut out that has lessened either the intensity or the frequency of them. Dr. Lauren 07:37 So the one thing, the one thing that I had to do was, I had to get through menopause, that was one. The second, the first thing was was that I brought the the autoimmune disease and that into remission, had to get through menopause, because that's what you know, they have hormonal triggers. And then the last thing was, you know, to try to figure out if it was something that was physical that was going on. And what I discovered, as it progressed, was that every time I would have, I would always get MRIs of my right on my right side of my brain, I would always get the right side of my brain scan, and they will find nothing, they like you're perfectly fine, you have nothing going on. I said, there's a problem, because every time I would get a migraine, they would see me doing this. My doctors would always see me doing this. And I was like what is wrong with your neck? And I'm like, I don't know, it just makes my you know, psychologically, it makes my head feel bad. And then one day I said, I said, Let me get my neck scan. And that's when we found out what was happening. So it was cervical radiculopathy a pinched nerve. Oh, wow. It was it was a pinched nerve. And so I began getting treated for that for a pinched nerve bestes that, you know, essentially what it is. So of course, you know, with a pinched nerve, you have to begin manipulating and this is me talking, manipulating the spine so that you can correct it and it can stop Roy Barker 09:15 pressure on it, oh, Dr. Lauren 09:17 pressure on it because it can cause it so it's it's behaving the same way that the sciatic nerve does. You know, when you have that pain in your lower back. It behaves the same way. And so, you know, for me if I sleep wrong or something like that, Oh, there goes a migraine and still feel natural, still have to go natural. So they had tricks and so on and so forth. You know, that you want to do to you know, to kind of manage them. Well, lots and lots of supplements. Yeah. Yeah, and a lot of people don't know that because You know, when you became begin medicating yourself, and and the medical profession, they're just throwing stuff at you like, okay, Here, take this, take this, take this, I'm not taking any of that stuff, because what happens is, you go back to, you begin medicating yourself with the prescription medications, and it will throw your autoimmune disease off. Okay? Yeah, and people don't pay attention to that stuff. And I'm like, I'm going to protect this first, because it's gonna take me out, if I let if I let it go out of remission is going to take me completely out. Yeah. So you know, certain things is, and there are many things that you can do, you can meditate. You can do Reiki, you know, you can do your Epsom salt. So, you know, the magnesium, magnesium relaxes your body more than anything, that you know that magnesium is very good, you know, for your body. And so it is extremely, you know, is extremely helpful. And it's extremely relaxing, you can get massages, massages can help to manage that. So, hat you have to I can't get my right now because, you know, I'm, you know, I'm being treated for, you know, being treated with a physical therapist, but you have to get them I get, I get the, you know, massages, just to control the, you know, for the environment and so forth. Because of, you know, all of the pollen and so forth, it clogs up my lungs, and I can't breathe. In the palate around here. It's very heavy. It's very heavy. So I get that so they can push, you know, my lungs out. And I can breathe. Right? Well, yeah, Terry 11:52 well, and we also a couple of months ago, I guess it's been about two, maybe three months ago, we went to our first Reiki sessions. Like not just stayed away from it, because you know, the whole energy thing is just kind of, it's kind of those one of those strange things that you don't know too much about. So it's one you know, you have to research it so you can understand it, but it's so true. Everything is energy, I get it. It made made me feel great after my first one. And the second one, I was just like I was, I think I was trying to feel too much. So I didn't respond like I needed to, but Roy Roy had a really good experience, I think, Roy Barker 12:32 yeah, it was interesting. And not that I'm a non believer, I just didn't know anything about it. And you really have to go into it. Just, you know, personally, I would say go into it, open minded and relaxed and you just have to see where it takes you. And it was very interesting. We actually taped an interview with the young lady I don't think it's aired yet that that we did it with but the heat that she pulled out of my body was incredible. I mean, just like she was over my forehead. And it felt like a hot coal was just on my head, forehead But anyway, and then it was also the other thing that was strange was kind of like got between that sleep and consciousness place. And I just had some you know, some things that came to me. I had three words patience, strength and wisdom which is like you know, I don't know where that came from Terry 13:28 but must be met you Roy Barker 13:33 you know it just it made my chest well up. Anyway, it was very interesting how that how that all went took place, but Terry 13:41 it was very cool. Yeah, Roy Barker 13:43 I was gonna ask about the the autoimmune. So how, how are you treating or how are you dealing with that? autoimmune. autoimmune disease? Yes. Dr. Lauren 13:54 Is there a remission? Is I just go about it? Yeah, I just go about it. Normally, I actually pulled mine into remission with food. And you know with supplements and so forth. Yeah, it worked for me. Let me just say this, it worked for me. So that was what that was what I required. Terry 14:12 So what kinds of things did you what kinds of things affect you like do you can you have dairy? Can you have eggs, can you have gluten? Can you have any of that or did you like start just stripped down and then you took everything out and then added it in as you went? Dr. Lauren 14:29 So I am gluten intolerant? But I do not eat gluten non gluten thing. I don't eat things that are labeled as non gluten. Ah, that don't have gluten. I don't eat things that don't have gluten in them. I eat things that are natural that are totally natural. Dairy. Most people that have autoimmune diseases cannot cannot ingest dairy at all. It's just not it's just not it doesn't work for you. Um, So for me, I can't do I cannot do dairy at all. It doesn't work for me. Roy Barker 15:06 What were some of the symptoms of the autoimmune because I've never, I've never dealt with it with humans. I actually had an animal that had it in the best way the doctor put it on me was that his body was actually turning against itself. Is that kind of thing? Okay. Dr. Lauren 15:25 Yeah, so yeah, but your body? Yes. Yep. Yeah, your body actually does. It attacks its own self is what it does. And it does not. So you are like a foreign body to your body. So is is how can I put it? It's like it's invading it like Space Invaders or something like that. Terry 15:45 Exactly what I was thinking, Dr. Lauren 15:47 yeah, like Space Invaders. And so you kind of attacking yourself. So you have to retrain your body to say, okay, no, this is what I belong here. And this is what I should be eating. So what happens is another way that I can put it is, is that the foods that you are eating like like my, my, I call it my native foods in New Orleans, my body is tapped out. It will not allow me to ingest anything that I used to eat as a child. So if I want to eat crawfish, I cannot eat crawfish. If I want to eat gumbo, jambalaya, shrimp creole, any of those things at all, because my body is tapped out, it's exhausted. Roy Barker 16:32 Now, what were the symptoms that you had to, you know, get you to seek out medical help with that. Dr. Lauren 16:39 I was I had adrenal fatigue. I, I was I had brain fog. I had, um, I had I was hoarse. So um, you know, my thyroid was was a little inflamed, it was a little inflamed. I couldn't I had a lot of it was the headache. I had, that my, a lot of the symptoms that I were having was crossing over along with the along with a pinched nerve. So I'm trying to isolate those. It was I had the initial inflammation. It was initial inflammation. And then I started losing weight like crazy afterwards. But it was initial Yeah, the amp, the inflammation that went to 219 pounds. I had never been that that heavy before. So I was always hovering like around, like maybe I'll say 150 pounds, maybe, which is like a size eight, then I I've expanded to like a balloon to 219 pounds, which was the size 16. And then when I went down to what should have been my normal weight all along. I was 118. Terry 18:09 Wow, how long did how long of a time period did it take for you to inflate, inflate, deflate the original expansion and then the deflation was? Was it eight year? No, not eight. Dr. Lauren 18:30 It came on. So my way came on over a period of maybe about five years, mate, maybe about five minutes. Alex outstretching and say 10 years, it was maybe like about maybe about five years, five to seven years. And I'm going Something is wrong, something that you know, something is wrong, something is wrong. Like I've never been this large. And you know, you know how people will not be honest with you. Oh, you're fine. Yeah, yeah, something's wrong. Something is wrong. So I kept investigating and investigating. And then when the migraine hit, I said, up, yes, something's really wrong. So that's when I started, you know, going to all of the specialists and so forth. So I started gathering my documentation. And you know, each person would give me their diagnosis of what they felt was going on. And so they felt this was going on, and I would get a pill for this. And then this was going on, and I would get a pill with this. And then by the time I was done, I think I had like 20 or 21 different medications that the doctors had given me that I did not take. I said this is insanity, but they didn't you know, they only know traditional medicine only knows what they know they treat stuff by symptom, right. And so they were going by what I was telling them I would never know You know, I would never bad mouth any of the doctors for what, you know, for what I went through, because that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to give you medication for, you know, your symptoms and so forth. And they don't know the, you know, holistic side of medicine. Terry 20:19 Well, and how did you start looking into the holistic side of it? Dr. Lauren 20:23 So I, I reached back at to some information that I had gotten 10 years prior to my, my incident. And so I started doing a little research because I'm a little, I'm a little flu. You know, I'm a little, I'm a little researcher, by nature, because I have a background in psychology. So I started doing a little research. And I said, something is not right with this. So I started going, you know what, let me lay off of the sugar. So that's the first thing that I did when I extracted all of the sugar out of my diet. And it was it was a lot of it, which you think is it actually does not have sugar in it actually has sugar in it. I said, Why in the world? are we adding sugar to potato chip? Terry 21:20 addiction? Everything's cocaine. Dr. Lauren 21:24 Oh, yeah. So everything, you know, not that I was a potato chip eater. But as I was doing my research, I was like, This is pure insanity. I began getting, you know, extracting the sugar out of my system. So I mean, I went cold turkey. The first 72 hours of me going cold turkey. I have withdrawal like a crackhead. And it was it was insane. I was I was like this, I was like, and I said, I'm having a panic attack. And my mother says, I know you all go lay down. Terry 22:02 Lay down. Dr. Lauren 22:03 Yeah. She says, I know you wash. She said go lay down. And this is literally how I was talking. And she says no, go lay down. She was like, I can't, I can't because there was really nothing that she could do. I went cold turkey withdraw. And then after that, I was fine. extracted the sugar. And then I began to do a little more research. I went to probably about seven or eight. It may have been more specialists than that. Anything would have ologists. On the back of it. I was on the back of their title. I went to it at everything. I had gone to a I had gotten a colonoscopy and end up endoscopy. I went to an allergist, I went to a cardiologist. I went to a it was insane. I had I probably I fired two cardiologists. I actually fired no one went to another one. Because the first cardiologist I went to she was on hypertension medication. I said, If she's on hypertension medication, she can't help me. She cannot help me because I'm not trying to go on on hypertension medication. Because I said I had hypertension. I said No, I don't. Well, yes, Terry 23:20 I mean, your body knows best. Roy Barker 23:23 And that's why I think we have to be sure we listen to ourselves. Because we and I'm not speaking for you, I'll speak for me, but you know, we tend to I had the feeling today and then we'll be okay tomorrow and we kind of kick this can down the road until it can, you know, even turn into a lot worse things. Dr. Lauren 23:41 Right? I was fortunate I always tell people, listen to your body, you know, go to the doctors, you know, hear what they have to say, listen to them. But I knew for myself, I knew I did not have hypertension, what I did have was because they were following it was my heart would start racing. That is a characteristic of hashimotos. When your heart just starts racing, I would be I would be in the bed and I would be getting waking up at five o'clock in the morning. just waking up and my heart would start racing. Roy Barker 24:21 Wow. So So you've taken all this information that you've kind of gathered upon yourself and then now you're starting to help others. Terry 24:30 Yeah. Dr. Lauren 24:32 Yes, as best I can. Um, I know, I know what I know. And a lot of I've been able to help a lot of people, you know, as it relates to a few lifestyle diseases because generally what I focus on, you know, I can, you know, generally help individuals with, you know, hypertension, you know, kind of extracting those inflammatory foods that they have in their system, you know, working with the doctors, I do not take any Want off of medication, I do not put it put anyone on medication, the medical doctors do that. But I can't work alongside of, you know, the medical doctors to help them to tweak their patient's diet, to, you know, kind of reduce that inflammation, and, you know, kind of work with them to help to make them you know, as well, you know, as you know, as I can't, but I have definitely helped individuals, you know, with diabetes, pre diabetes, and so forth, to get their numbers back in check. Because you don't want that inflammation in your body, the longer you have that inflammation in your body, the more damage that it can do. And so, you know, the longer you want a lot of that medication, the more damage that it does to your body. And so that's why I was fighting so much that I did not want to take the medication they were giving me, you know, I do have, I was diagnosed with asthma as a child, and I've never taken an ounce of medication, they gave me inhalers and all this, I said, I'm not taking that stuff, that stuff will raise your blood pressure. And, and then then when your blood pressure's high, they're going to give you what hypertension medication. Now, so for myself, and I always say this is for myself, always make sure that you, you know, check with your physicians and so forth, because they know your medical history far better than I do. And so you definitely want to check in with them to, you know, to see, you know, what your numbers are, get your blood work, get your annual checkup, and so forth. And then, you know, make sure that you're living a healthy life. Roy Barker 26:47 Yeah, I think that's another good point is that there's, you know, and we're not medical doctors, and we always specify, they'll see a doctor take their advice. But you know, one thing I think we've learned is that, well, it first off inflammation, you know, as we as more research has come out, it's like, it's kind of the root of most of the evil in our bodies. But a lot of this can be influenced by our diet. And like you said, we don't know what, well, we know, there are a lot of things you would think doesn't have sugar, but, you know, we don't eat a lot of sugar. And not long ago, we ordered from a little Italian restaurant. Oh my gosh, I'm telling you that red sauce, it was sugar Laden. I mean, it was almost like eating a candy bar. So anyway, you know, people do that stuff, because it makes it taste better makes the kids eat it. But sometimes it can be that addictive factor. And going back to your withdrawals, I found the same thing coming off of carbohydrates. When my doctor first diagnosed me with type two diabetes, he said, You know, I want you to cut your carbs back. And so that was on a Thursday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday night, I started like, right above my eyes, it felt like my head was gonna blow off. And I carried that with me through Sunday. And to be honest, I thought I was dying or have, like you said, having some kind of a stroke. And so I went to, you know, the CVS a little drugstore and had an auto machine, my blood pressure was escalated. So it scared me I call my doctor the next day. And he's like, we'll come in, he took my blood pressure and it was normal. He said, Well, first off, those machines aren't that great. But he said secondly, he said you're just having withdrawals from carbohydrate. Pisa is like a drug and you will have to come off of that. Terry 28:41 Yeah, surely there are like rehab places where you can go and get, you know, have, you know, get withdrawn from sugar and carbs and things that if there aren't, there needs to be because it's a hard, you know, three days for sure, if not a little bit longer, but then you have to learn what you need to be putting into your body. So you don't have those cravings in the future and make sure that you're addressing whichever issue it is that you have, whether it's the hashimotos or or type two diabetes or whatever, right. Dr. Lauren 29:19 And that's what I teach people. That's what I teach people how to do when they the first 72 hours of the worst when you withdrawing off of sugar. They it's the worst and so you just have to kind of take it for me. I wanted to get rid of the migraines and so I knew that I had to tolerate it. I'm like it's gonna stop eventually. And it did. But what people do is when they relapse so when people are on their own a diet as they like to call it instead of a lifestyle, lifestyle change the first 72 hours when they stop eating sugar. All they think you know, okay, so So what can I eat? Drink water? No, no, what can I eat, drink water. Because you're dehydrated is what's happening. And so they don't even think about that. Know what can I eat? Like, I can't eat this or fill in the blank with this and no drink water just drink water. Yeah, people were so much negative. So we're born with addictions. Because when you think about think about this, when you're born with it, what is the first thing that people that that moms are giving their babies? No. Terry 30:26 Milk. Dr. Lauren 30:28 What is milk having it? Sugar, sugar, sugar, breastfed even if the babies are breastfed, whatever it is that you've ingested. Guess what they're ingesting? Oh, yeah. So they're getting it straight from so we come in, we come into the world with that sugar addiction, and so we're predisposed to it. So unless, unless the mom's body is clean. And the mom has detox before she had the baby. Guess what's happening? The cycle is happening. So if mom has asthma guess what the baby's gonna have will have asthma as well. Oh, yeah. So people are wondering why these little ones are born or coming out with this asmin. So for Guess what? Terry 31:20 That makes so much sense. Oh, my gosh. It's so true. Okay, so what would you tell? So like we're dealing with? So I have, at one point they, I was told that I had hashimotos. But then they came came back and said no, no, you have hypothyroidism. But hashimotos. And hypothyroidism? They're two separate issues, right? I mean, the hashimotos is auto immune, and then the thyroid. The hyperthyroidism? Is the gland itself. The disease? Yes. So I did differently. Dr. Lauren 32:02 So what Yeah, so what probably happened was, is that it's hot hashimotos can actually turn into hypothyroidism if you don't catch it in time. So it's the it's the progression of it. Ah, Terry 32:16 okay. Dr. Lauren 32:16 It's the progression in this the way that the numbers look, that's the way that's the way that it was explained to me. And so you can have normal, if you have normal TSH levels like I do. They don't, they don't really test you for the hashimotos or the high hypothyroidism, if you have normal TSH level, what has to happen is you have to continue to you have to do the second layer of tests, which the doctors don't like to do. So you're looking at the, you know, the T three, t four, you're looking at all of those numbers. And that is how you determine what the what the what the hashimotos is. So, yeah, you can always, you know, get a second opinion, you know, from another doctor and so forth. But what they do even with the Hashimoto, they want to put you on the, you know, on the on the medication. Yeah, I was I, that wasn't my case. I was fortunate, I always tell people that that wasn't my case. And so I always guard, I always guard my food with my life and pay attention to what it is that I'm eating, so I don't eat out. Terry 33:32 You don't eat out? I don't eat out at all. We might withdraw with that, too. We're gonna withdraw from doing that. Yeah. But Roy Barker 33:44 yeah, but really, you know, in order to know what's in this stuff, you really just have to because it's not that people do it maliciously. They do it to make the taste better, where people come in, and things like that. But we just never know what those ingredients are. Dr. Lauren 34:00 I do know what's in it. And that's why I don't eat out. Yeah, yeah. And I don't eat out and I tell people this, you don't eat anything? No, I know. restaurants, the food industry is not in it to they're not in it for health. They're in it to make money. I get that. I get that. And so and so I have to eat at home because most oftentimes if you ask the chef's what's in the food, and they don't even know. They don't even know I'll give you a perfect example. I used to enjoy eating Ed said restaurant, I won't give the name. I used to enjoy eating at a certain restaurant. And I said what type of oil Do you use on your lamb chops? And they said, Oh, we use olive oil. That's what the chef said. And I said, No, it's something else that is in that I said because I can taste it. I can taste it. It tastes like grease. So I asked the manager Because what I do know is, is that olive oil burn at that high on that high heat, there are only two oils that you can use at high heat. And almond oil is one of them. Almond Oil is too expensive for them to cook with. Olive oil is too It does not it burns too fast, right? So I asked the manager, I said, What is it? What type of oil is that? He said, Oh, that's olive oil. And it's mixed with canola oil. I said I knew it. I know I was very inflammatory for your system. So that is generally if they say they cook with olive oil is olive oil mixed with vegetable oil, or whatever it is that they're using so that they can cook at high heat on those grills. Roy Barker 35:47 And I'm sure the cost factor to they can put a little drip of olive oil in there and tell you that we're cooking with olive oil. But the ratios, the ratios probably more skewed to the canola oil. Dr. Lauren 36:01 Oh, yeah, of course. Of course it is. And I didn't ask that. I get it. I said I get it. I said thank you for sharing that with me. I never ate at the restaurant again. Roy Barker 36:11 The other thing they kind of trained us up on too is eating. So such large volumes of weight for days have become crazy. And that's something that you know we have trouble with is, you know, Terry's a great cook. And so even even as we eat at home, I like you know, I want that second helping, where if I would just give myself a few minutes round will eventually be full. And you know, the other day, I don't know, I was kind of snacking we and we hadn't eaten too much. And I just said, Oh, I'm I'm hungry for some popcorn or something like that. And I said I want some popcorn. And she's like, aren't you not full? I said, and I thought for a minute. I say yeah, I really am full. But I felt that like ran through my chest. I just kind of had this sinking feeling you know? And it was it was probably dehydration, it could it was probably being a little bit tired. Because it was the end of the day. Yeah, there's all these other feelings that I've begun to realize that you know, that hunger or the desire to eat. I'm not gonna say hunger because it's usually not hunger, it's a desire to eat comes from a lot of other places than being hungry. Terry 37:20 Yeah, and I'm always trying to you know, I'm always I am not a good cook. He's very sweet to say that, but he's just so happy that a bay is taking care of him. Anybody and I am really not that great of a good. But I my goal is to make sure that he doesn't get snacky and, you know, that's a hard because, you know, like he said, it was just really right, you know, within an hour after we ate and I was like, Are you full? Are you still cool? No. And the the fact that he realized, you know, that's just his pole in his chest. And that's kind of what his deal his schpeel is, before he goes to bed. He's got to go through this. Maybe if he can just grab some water or you know something, do something else and then go to bed. Just go to bed. Dr. Lauren 38:14 That's hard. Cuz you cuz you'd like to snack? Oh my gosh, hard. Roy Barker 38:21 Popcorn, you know, saucy stuff. And then I don't know, somewhere along the way, I develop a sweet tooth. And so now it's even doubly because like, I need a little bit of sweet and then a little salt. After that, Terry 38:33 probably that's probably me. But I am the grocery shopper. So I don't have to bring that stuff home. But I'm feeling you know, usually when I go I'm hungry. So I want to go and you know, Oh, those look great. Well, I'm going to get them nuts. But I'm not going to get the wrong nuts. But then I'm going to Oh, there's some cookies, I'm going to grill just a little bit. Dr. Lauren 38:55 hard. I tell you, it doesn't end when you when you're eating a healthy lifestyle like I do. It doesn't And trust me, the cravings don't in, you just have to you know, you just have to take it baby steps. Yeah, I tell people baby steps with that. Because it's traumatic for you to have to just stop it like all at once. It really is traumatic. So you just have to take baby steps. You have to be kind to yourself, as well. You know, if you fall off the wagon, or you kind of partially on a wagon, you know, just get back on it. Roy Barker 39:32 That's all I usually fall off and then get ran over by the wagon. But yeah, I mean, it's a lot. It's a it's an adult thing. I don't remember it as a child so much but you know, it's an adult habit that I've done for years. And you know what, the other thing I've learned is it's usually because of getting sleepy. So at night if I got something I want to do in the And I was like, well have something quick to eat instead of just listening to my body and just go into bed, drinking that glass of water and just go into bed. It's it's difficult. But like you said, we have to be kind and not be like, Oh, well, I fell off. So I'm just going to continue on this bad path, because we never get it fixed when we do that. Dr. Lauren 40:20 Yeah, yeah, don't beat yourself. Yeah, tell people don't beat yourself up. It won't happen overnight, everyone has to do it. You know, you have your own path. Right? You know, is your body you have your own path, and you have to do it in your own way. You just have the knowledge if you have the knowledge, then you know what it is that you can do. Right, you know? And so that's essentially what it is. You just have a few things that you want to work out at a time just a few things that net Arielle take everything all at once like I did I tell people do not follow my lead. Trust me when I'm telling you. Terry 40:59 Yeah, the big picture is just so hard. If you it's easier. I say that it's easier if you chip away. That's what helps me better. But do I do it all the time? And everything? I do? No, but I should. Roy Barker 41:13 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think that sets us up for failure. Because you know, and I'm this guy, I'm always telling off for myself. But, you know, you wake up one day fed up, and it's like, okay, no more sugar, no more cars, I'm going to the gym. You know, I'm going to go crazy. And like, you got so much commotion in your life that you've just developed, that, it's no wonder that we, you know, have these temporary setbacks. And so, you know, trying to take one thing, and then also, you know, maybe doing things gradual, if you if you have the luxury of the time, you know, sometimes people get to a position that they have to make drastic changes immediately. But if you can, you know, just yeah, just start cutting back a little here a little there until you get to the point where you really want to be Yeah, Terry 42:03 exactly. Well, you're right. I was I'm sorry, go ahead. Dr. Lauren 42:08 You're right. That's what that's why a lot of people do fall off the wagon. And they're like, Oh, well, you know, and then you have the other individuals that are go, okay, I've eaten Well, all week. What cheat meal Am I gonna have this weekend? Why Terry 42:24 the weekend, we're celebrating, Roy Barker 42:26 saying, I can't do that. Because if I have one taste of this, whatever the cheat is, I want it more and more. So you know, some people can handle that. But I just have to say I'm not one I have to go to the extreme of just not having it. You know, cuz like those little I always say the cat, I don't know, the company. Somebody came out with these little 100 calorie little ice cream sandwiches a few years ago. Oh, yeah. I love those things. But you know, I eat four or five of them at, you know, at a setting down. So it really wasn't doing me any good. You know? Terry 43:06 You had more so you were full. I Roy Barker 43:08 didn't need anymore. I'd have been better eating the old original big ones. I probably only had 250 calories. Like, I just get a little taste for it. And then you know, it's just uncontrollable. I love it. Yeah. Terry 43:22 Okay. Dr. Lauren, I wanted to let's, let's kind of Reel back I know, we're talking about all over the place. But so you're a certified Health Coach, what kind of programs do you offer on your website? And you have a new one that I want you to talk about as well? Dr. Lauren 43:37 Yes, I have it. So it's called the metamorphosis health coaching program. And my signature program is the bee fly the top. So eventually, initially, I did a 21 day just to get people started. But what I discovered was, because I'm so adamant about it, I could do it. But other people like this is over whelming so what I did was I reeled it back in, and I wrote I'm rolling it back out on September the sixth. And it is going to be a self paced program is six modules. And it's going to be a self paced program. So you go at your own pace, and you can, you know, move it along, or you know, kind of stopping, you know, as you need to and then you know, you can kind of help yourself as you go along. And then you get me to answer your questions in our own little group on Facebook. So I get to you can come in there and ask as many questions as you can, as much as your heart desires. To talk about that you also get a you also get a health consultation, so that you can learn about out what it is that you know, you can eat, you know, we look at all of your habits your eating, past present, and what you're going to be eating in the future, because you're going to do a lifestyle change. And you know, we just kind of go from there. Roy Barker 45:19 And I think I'll put this more as a question. But you know, for me, I find that sleep, I have come to realize sleep is pretty much my trigger for all my downfalls. Because here's how the pattern goes, stay up late, don't get enough sleep, and then get up in the morning need extra fuel food to get moving, but then you're too tired to get out and move in. I know that when we talk about weight loss, you know, it's more 80% diet. But for me, you know, I feel like I need to move every day and I don't I walk from you know, the bedroom to the office and sit down and stay here pretty much where I need that movement. But the other thing is, when I'm out moving, I'm not eating. So you know, it kind of works twice, double for me as it gets me moving. It's good for the rest of my body. But also, it's an opportunity not to be in front of food. Dr. Lauren 46:19 Yeah, I give. So I have a couple of people who I coach who they work from home. And when they're not working from home, they travel. And I said, so this is what I need you to do. I need you to set an alarm at lunchtime, get up at lunchtime and go walk for half an hour. And then then you know, of course it was the excuses that came. Okay. So this is what I need you to do. If you need to take a phone call, if you are on a conference call, do it on your cell phone and go walk while you are on that conference call. Because a half an hour a day will be so much more helpful for you to do that walk in even if you if you need to be in the house and you have stamps in your house, do the steps. Yeah, the steps up and down. Even if it's just for 10 minutes, do those steps so you can get those get the walking in to get your body moving. Yeah. You know, so you have to kind of set that time aside in order to do that. Roy Barker 47:21 Yeah. And it's easy, because I can't do all of mine that way. But the ones I can make the announcement. I'm gonna be breathing hard. I'm not being chased. I'm not dying. So don't worry, it's just me walking, Terry 47:34 because I hurry up with your meeting so I can get on with it. Roy Barker 47:37 But you know, the other thing we've talked a little bit about is I, my my big name, fitness watch. Kind of pooped out on me. And so I started using a different one the Fitbit again. And I really like it because it the other one may have had it, I just didn't use it. But this one has a every hour it wants me to get 250 steps in. So I get a little prompt like, Hey, you got this many. And I do what you said, if I can't get out, I will just get up and walk around the house. I can still get it in. But the awesome thing is that at the end of the day, I've got about 2500 steps, you know, to kind of get started, I'd like to get more than that. But it's a great start with just a little bit of effort throughout the entire day. Right now, you know, I'm telling you, I had to I was back out in the field this week for one day. And we were doing some field visits. And I was with two colleagues that just wore me out we had like, you know, 5500 steps through this day and I came home and was just Terry 48:41 it was zero doubt. Yeah, Roy Barker 48:42 after you know, sitting at home in a chair for so long. Dr. Lauren 48:46 Yeah. I tell you something else that you can try. If that wears you out, you know yoga will give you cardio as well. Yeah. If you get up in the morning and do that. Do that breathing and so forth. Yoga, I love yoga. If you if you tell me something about running or walking or something like that. Yeah, I'm not doing it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not doing it. But yoga, I will do 90 minutes of yoga. A day. I will start out with it in the morning and I will do it in the evening. And that is that is equivalent to the walking that you need to do. And it will wear you completely out. Roy Barker 49:32 Yeah. Yeah, you know, that's a great thing about our day and time is you know, there's the negatives of the food and the drive throughs and all of that but the positive we have so many tools at our disposal, that if we will use them that they will help because you know like the watches it also it makes me input my water so I can keep up because again, that's another bad habit is I can go through to three days and not ever drink any water. Drink Coffee. Yeah, so I can put my water in. But we can also do the yoga on the computer, we've got a DVD where we could do it at home, you don't even have to get out of your pajamas to do it. So, you know, we got so many great things to take advantage of, I think we just have to make up our mind and just try to have that discipline to do it. Terry 50:21 I think we even had a guest who said that she does. She does it in bed. Like when she first wakes up. I mean, there's just really not any excuse. If you want to lay down and do it in bed, then do yoga in bed. There's there's an app for that there's that you can watch a YouTube, whatever. And it's been in bed, yo. And we also, we also just talked to somebody about laughter yoga. Oh my gosh, if you have never experienced it, you have got to do it. Because you just laugh from deep, your diaphragm belly loud. You know, you go into it thinking, huh? What is that everybody's just going head. It's just kind of like a canned thing. That's what you think, Well, no, bye, bye. You know, 1015 minutes, everybody's laughing at everybody else's laughs you're there, to screen fulls of people and they were just dying. laughing. It was hilarious. But it's also good Roy Barker 51:13 for the stress. Because, you know, when, when one of us gets stressed, the other one will start that, you know, laughter and the other one can't help but start laughing and then, you know, for myself, it takes me out of that. Not so great place and it'll put me in a better place to carry forward with the rest of the day where, you know, instead of just getting all stuck in the mud with wherever I was. I love it. Yeah, it's, uh, it was it's, it's kind of a blessing for fine. I'm, I can be a little intense at times. And so she can be like, Terry 51:51 I'll just start laughing. I'll just look at him. Like, really? Just start laughing. He's like, what's funny? I'm like, nothing. Just laugh. Roy Barker 52:02 With Dr. Lauren, we appreciate your time. We've gone way long. I know that but such a good conversation. So many great things to think about. You know, one of our questions we always ask is, so what is a habit or tool? What is something that you use in your daily life professional or personal that you feel adds a lot of value? Dr. Lauren 52:22 For me, when I we just started talking about the yoga I do Reiki? Okay. Every morning, when I get up, I do Reiki It is so relaxing, before I start my day, and so I find that that relaxes my complete Body before I get going and so that's very helpful for me if I don't do anything else, you know, before I you know, before I leave out and in the morning, that is one thing that I do is my Reiki. Roy Barker 52:52 Awesome, Alreight. Well tell everybody, who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And then of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you. Dr. Lauren 53:02 So I like working with individuals who are either trying to change their lifestyle, who want to learn how to eat healthier, those individuals who are who are plagued with lifestyle diseases such as hypertension, diabetes, obesity, and they want to change their lifestyle. I like working with those individuals. And, you know, genuinely, you know, when you're working with me, you're going to lose weight. For those individuals who want to bikini bodies, I can do that as well. I don't, you know, I don't specifically market to that population. But the individuals that I do work with those that do have, you know, the lifestyle diseases, and I do that through The B-Fly Detox Program. I also have, you know, work with individuals who have special events going on, you know, such as, you know, lifestyle, life events, you know, like weddings and so forth. I work with those individuals, red carpet events, I work with those individuals to get them prepared for that. And so, all of this is under my umbrella of The Metamorphosis Health Coaching Program, and they can find me at my website, which is www dot Laurenkeirwellness.com. Roy Barker 54:31 Okay, it would be sure to put all that in the show notes. Speaking of weddings, just I'm a dude, so I don't get this I guess, but they we have a toll road authority here in town that's been advertising the last two days. Somebody lost their wedding dress. They found this really nice wedding dress on the side of the road. And they feel like it belongs to somebody they're trying to figure out well, how do you bet there's some bride that is absolutely beside herself thinking about her dresses laying on the side of the highway Terry 55:00 So that's that's kind of an extreme way to say I really don't want to get married or maybe they were mad. Maybe they were getting divorced. Throw it out. I was out and yeah, Dr. Lauren 55:12 I don't think that bride lost it. I think she you know, there was all times I think brides to get bridges on throw that guy's away time away. Well, okay, Roy Barker 55:22 well hopefully she went on her way to the chapel when she threw it out the car window. Alright guys, well, thanks again. that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course, I Terry 55:33 am Roy. I'm Carrie. Roy Barker 55:35 And you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. If we're not a one that you listen to, if you'll reach out, I'll be glad to get it added so you can make your Lee's listening easier. Also, we're on all the major social media platforms hang out on Instagram a little bit more than any other place. So reach out we'd love to engage with you there. And a video of this interview will go up on our YouTube channel when the episode goes live. So be sure and check that out as well. Again, thanks for listening. 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Your Convenience Is Killing You! Raise Your Awareness To Stop Bad Habits Featuring Dr. Lori Monaco When it comes to your eating habits are you on autopilot? Are you just looking for the most convenience? If you are it's probably killing you! In order to change bad habits, start with awareness. You may have to take the more difficult road. Yes, it's easier and more convenient to hit the drive-through or microwave something but what are you really getting? About Dr. Lori Dr. Lori Monaco is the founder and CEO of Align Yourself Inc. She is an authenticity teacher, speaker, and coach, and a Chiropractic Physician. She specializes in mindfulness practice, transformation, and aligning with authentic self to create an abundant life. Lori earned her professional degree from Sherman College and her coaching certification from The Institute of Heart Math. She was a post-secondary human health science teacher for almost two decades. She is a member of Lead Up for Women and a Board Member of the non-profit organization Journal of Hope. Known as the Badass Buddha and the Fat Eviction Specialist, she is the creator of “The 7 Core Pillars of Alignment” where she teaches people how to love more, laugh more, live more, be happy, be real, take charge of their health, and to create peace and harmony within to live a more fulfilled life. Her other programs include: B.L.A.S.T. VIP and group coaching, the “Evict the Fat” wellness program, and various workshops for educators, corporate, and laypeople (online and in-person). She is the cohost of the show “Viva Café con Leche” and BlogTalkRadio Show “Viva Moms After Dark”. Lori has written articles for a multitude of magazines and is currently working on her own book. She lectures locally and throughout the country and coaches remotely connecting with clients around the world. She has 3 daughters that totally rock and resides in southern CT. Connect with her on: FB, Twitter, YouTube @drlorimonaco, IG @thebadassbuddha1, and TikTok @thebadassbuddha www.drlorimonaco.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Your Convenience Is Killing You! Raise Your Awareness To Stop Bad Habits Featuring Dr. Lori Monaco Sat, 7/24 2:36PM • 1:02:49 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, people, meds, lose, habit, day, body, eating, feel, years, taught, younger, thinking, monaco, kids, talk, diabetes, ice cream, live, put, Convenience is killing you, Raise your awareness, stop bad habits SPEAKERS Terry, Dr. Lori, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:05 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy, Terry 00:08 this is Terry. Roy Barker 00:09 So we are the podcast chronicling our journey through wellness. And that can include diet, not a diet as much as just what we eat. Also exercise and movement throughout the day and mindset we have gotten to be as we've gone through this, we've uncovered mindset is a huge component. A lot of us know what to do, but trying to figure out how to do that and do it consistently over long periods of time. That can be the challenge. So, you know, we bring new podcast, kind of updates on our situation talk a lot about diabetes, but also we have professionals in their disciplines on from time to time and today is no different. Terry, I'm going to let you introduce Dr. Lori. Terry 00:54 Yeah. Laura. Dr. Lori Monaco, aka The Badass Buddha is an authenticity teacher, coach and speaker, chiropractic physician, co host of the YouTube and Facebook show, "Viva Cafe con Leche:. And the blog talk radio show "Viva Mom's After Dark". She's the creator of the "Seven Core Pillars of Alignment", "Transformation University", "B.L.A.S.T., VIP and Group Coaching" and the "Evict The Fat" wellness program featuring Chirothin". Laurie special specializes in mindfulness and transformation and has created online and in person workshops for corporate healthcare, education and laypeople. badass Buddha teaches people how to love more, laugh more, live more, be happy, be real and be themselves to create peace and harmony for a more fulfilled life. She's a compassionate and silly human, a loving mom and a proud Gen X or she is unapologetically herself and teaches and inspires others to be the same. Dr. Monaco, Badass Buddha. Welcome to the show. Dr. Lori 02:04 Who's that professional? She sounds really cool. Like, who was she talking about? Like, well, we are professionals time to time I'm like, no. That's right Roy Barker 02:15 No, no, I've been on those shows before where they introduce you. And I'm like, Okay, let's stop here, because it's only going to go downhill. Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. Really appreciate it. We're excited. Tell us a little bit about how you got here. I mean, you've got a lot going on, but you know, is helping people. Did you grow up wanting to be a professional that helped people? Or did you kind of take the long and winding road into this? Dr. Lori 02:46 I guess I've always been I mean, I've always been very compassionate. And without knowing the word, empathic, you know, I didn't realize that till I got older. Originally, it was all animal based. So I wanted to be a vet, you know, and I love being around animals. And then I guess it was really in college. That's when you know, I mean, I took the I took, I took the four year plan, but I didn't know what the heck I was going to do. So I just kept switching my major and my brother, my might, I only have a two siblings, I have a brother and a sister, my brother and they're both much older than I and my brother was a chiropractor, he still is, and I really resonated a lot with that I knew I just I knew I didn't fit in the mainstream. And I definitely didn't want to just dispense drugs and stuff to people I just always believed in the power that made the body can heal the body. And so I opted to go into that. And then it was my transition over the year. So I've been a chiropractor for over 22 years. Wow. And I know I was like 10 when I graduated. Yeah. And so, um, and then, you know, I mean, it was great. And I and I did when I was first two years it was you know, it was great. I liked it, but I wasn't in love with it. And then I decided to you know, add something to my income. So I started teaching and I was teaching post secondary like anatomy and physiology classes pathology and and that's what I realized that what I was meant to do like and and I was a speaker since chiropractic school because they taught us to teach, you know, wellness and teach your patient so I definitely hit got bit with the bug, you know, the freaking bug. And so I knew I liked that but then teaching I was like wow, this is this is what I'm definitely passionate about. And I'm very good at you know, so I did that for years and almost two decades teaching. And then but a few years back I hit a really low point in my life. I had had depression since I was about 15 when I look back at is probably about since about 15 and had one major depressive episode but was not prepared for the major depressive episode we're going to have just about almost six years ago, and it was so bad. It was six months long, three weeks for suicidal and Oh, wow, I, when I finally started to come out of it, and I said, Okay, you know what I don't, I got to figure this out because I got to fix myself because all these years all these things, I was a kid. I never felt right. I never felt like I was myself. And then I started to really deep dive into like, the personal development. And it was at that point, when I started to really feel better. I said, Okay, I want to teach this. And so then, you know, you go on to the next phase, you're like, well, who does that? Oh, coaches, so you know, that you get certified to be a coach and, and it's evolved from that. So I love working with people like I love humans, I love animals, too. I actually love all creatures, and but humans, just we have so much potential. And so I look back at all the years that I wasted, because I just couldn't get out of my own way. So that got me to where I am today. And I love like, I'm so passionate about helping people, especially those that are really stuck. And especially those that deal with like depression and anxiety, which we have a hell a lot about that like, like the amount that we have. Now, with everything that's happened over the last year. It's just, I mean, before that it was already epidemic. Now it's even worse. Roy Barker 06:18 Yeah, and I'm concerned a little bit. You know, we don't have to belabor that point. But, you know, we thought we would see, I guess some things happen in the beginning, but I think the government stepped in and provided some funding, which helped people you know, at least have shelter and eat and all these other programs. But now that the extra unemployment is going away, a lot of these rent, and utility. I don't say abatement because they weren't abatement they were more just kicking the can down the road. But a lot of these programs are ending. A lot of people are being forced to go back to work after they've enjoyed working from home for a year. So I mean, it's not working at all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So there's just a lot of things coming together all at once. And I, you know, kind of makes me wonder, you know, what is this going to look like going through these next few months, and we've already you know, we're in the Dallas Fort Worth area. And we've already seen to me what I consider an exponential rise in crime and violent crime and things that people are doing. So anyway, I think everybody seems to be stressed and at their wit's end, and there's so many great things that we can do to help ourselves both mentally and physically. Dr. Lori 07:34 Oh, for sure. I think I think the biggest challenge was that there were many people, not everyone, and not the majority, but many people that took last year as a moment to to breathe, and to slow down and assess things. And it was and it's those individuals who have done the have had the most success. Right? They realize that okay, this is not exactly we don't know, but to say that we'll be back on track. You know, remember, in the beginning of March, they were like, oh, we'll be back on track by the summer. And most people that were really thinking about it, we're on now it's not Yeah, it's gonna be like, probably about a year and a half. So I'll prepare for it, I'll make the shifts, I'll do what I need to do. Know, and knowing that even when that's up, then we have to shift again. So those people, I don't want to call them enlightened people, but I think they just took they just were more aware. They had the best time, versus the individuals who just wrote it and said, Oh, I can't work, okay, then the government's going to help me, oh, and I'm going to be home. And I and, and instead of like bettering themselves, and I'm not blaming, you know, the person, you know, you only know what, you know, I mean, that's, that's the reality, it's, but at the same time, that is a little bit of an excuse, because we are living in an age where you can find anything out, you can learn anything, and there was so much online, I mean, there was so much available, there were so many free courses, there was so many different things. So I, I feel like in some ways that we as humans didn't step up as much as we could have, you know, like, we people gained weight during COVID. You know, they ate like, you know, like, offley audio, and we just sort of, and I say we, because that was me in the beginning, like it was this did get overwhelming for me, but then I just like, Okay, that's enough. And you know, and actually lost 40 pounds in COVID, you know, during COVID. So, that's, that's awesome. I'm telling you, it's like, wow, you know, so, um, but it's but it for the rest. It was just sort of, you know, and then they come out and now they're like, Oh, my God, what am I going to do? I don't want to go back to work. I don't want this. I don't want that. But they sort of didn't prepare themselves. And, you know, so my hope is that for those of us that really kind of had a good mindset going in, and throughout that because I believe in Jay and I believe in the collective consciousness, you know, and we need to put that out there. We need to for those of us that that decided to start new projects and did really well in 2020. put that out there out there for all these other people that are floundering, and say you can do this, like you can do this, you just, you know, everything, as Marie Forleo says, everything is figured out double, you know, because because it is, you know, we have that ability, where that's what we have these fabulous brains for that reason. Roy Barker 10:29 Well, and most people say they put on the COVID-19. And I said, Well, I'm an overachiever, I did the COVID 38. So no, oh, well, good for you. But, you know, we were out well, I'll speak for myself. But let Terry, I'll let her speak for her. But, you know, I think I was one of the lucky unenlightened ones that didn't really know what to expect. But it was such an opportunity for us to slow down. And I think after a couple months into it, we were like, we really needed to slow down as this, you know, everybody is out fast paced running here and running there. And, you know, now we've kind of made a pretty big switch is, you know, we're enjoying being home, we figured out things, you know, we have enough to do to keep 10 people busy around here. So it's never, it's never a shortage of something. But you know, getting out more in the back. I think Terry is, you know, when it's a long story we'll get into but you know, when she moved out here, a few years ago, it was like, she's not the Pioneer Woman, but you know, she's adopted, you know, she's got her herd of deer and some turkeys and other wildlife that she's taking care of now, I just got a herd of deer and squirrels, raccoons, wild turkeys weird. So, you know, that's our thing is, you know, we wake up in the morning and say, you know, we kind of laughingly call on customers, we say how many customers we have out that our customer down at the cornfield. So anyway, you know, we were I think we were lucky because like you said, I think and we were lucky to because we were able to continue working, it didn't really disrupt a lot of things, except the slowing down part, which I'm very thankful for. Yes. It's just nice to be able to take a breath and not always feel like you have to be somewhere else. Terry 12:17 Yeah, and we took a lot of time to take took that time to work on our eating habits and different ways that we could eat to age better, as well as trying to lose a few pounds, you know, and it's trial and error, of course along the way. But, you know, just trying to figure out, I used to eat everything and anything and was grown up, I went when I grew up, it was on junk, junk food, you know, Chuck, dad would buy 12 bags, big grocery sacks full of Halloween candy, and we might give one away if we were lucky. The rest of it, he ate probably, you know, nine or 10. And we ate the other one. But we had to fight for it. You know, we just lived on peanut butter and chocolate. I'm telling you. And it was not a good. It wasn't I mean, it was good then but you know, you get older you start putting on the pounds, you don't even realize that it's happening. And and next thing you know, you're 56 and you're like what? Wait, oh, yeah. Oh, man, that just came out. Dr. Lori 13:31 And you get diagnosed with something too. And then you sometimes have the audacity to go How did that happen? Well, you know, because we were taught to be detached like that, though. We're taught that, you know, I mean, how many times have you heard it's like, oh, you know, one minute, they're saying you kids really shouldn't eat this much sugar, Baba blah, and especially we're all around the same age. So it's like we that really wasn't, you know, they say, Oh, you know, the kids really shouldn't eat that much sugar, but it didn't matter. They push it now with more statistics, but the you know, back in the day, and even now it's like, well, you know, you could get away with it as your you know, you're gonna have to change when you get a little older, you can eat that way anymore. Don't Terry 14:10 worry about it. Now, what Dr. Lori 14:12 habits are habits and if they're instill that a young age, you know that it's funny, I hear this story a lot from people I hear, you know, because I talked to people about their, the their habits that were forged since they were younger, and especially with eating and I didn't I wasn't raised that way. I was actually my mother had very limited we were very limited on our sweet. A truly like we were not allowed to have sugar cereals. We were you know, we got ice cream every so often. And I look back and I'm like, wow, that's ungrateful. Like I ate a lot of vegetables ate a lot of fruits, you know, but it was when I got older and I was on my own. I was like, Oh, I could buy this myself. You know, and that's and so sometimes we it's not even that you're raised that way. It's just no matter what. It's one Once you get the taste for it, it's it's a drug, it's especially sugar, you know, and so you get it in there and you're like, I feel really good after I ate this. Why is that? You know, you know, of course you don't ask why that is you just say, Oh, this, I gotta have the more correct, right, you don't realize that it's literally your chemicals being released in your brain that are saying, No, no, no, you want, this is really good stuff to have, you know. And so we tend to be forced into the change. You know, it's when you get the, the doctor says to you, oh, you know, you're, you know, you're pre diabetic, or, you know, your blood pressure is up there, and we're gonna put you on meds. And what's scaring me nowadays, is that the generation behind us are not as scared about the meds, though, like, our generation was probably the first generation to hit their 40s and 50s. And be told you need to go on meds. And we were like, what do you got to be kidding me, you know, like that my parents didn't go on meds till they were in their 60s, you know, like that. And then we're like pushing pull fighting a little bit. But I mean, I've seen over the years, the generations behind us, you know, they're, they're getting on meds in their 20s. And they're not even on just one med. And so for them to say the doctor said, Well, now you didn't need to be on this. But alright. It is what it is not realizing that just some changes in your diet is could be a big game changer. You know? Well, I Roy Barker 16:29 think you're, you know, what, you talked about habits. And I don't think there's some data out there that proves this. But, you know, like my generation, we had a couple fast food places. I mean, we live in a pretty big town, there were a couple fast food, places that I knew about that, you know, on a Friday night, or Saturday was kind of a treat to go get a hamburger. Right now, they're on every corner and you go down, you know, we have like, restaurant rows here, where there'll be one street with nothing but fast food restaurants. And the surprising thing is, I noticed this when my kids were gone. But you could drive by at nine o'clock at night. And there were car loads of families that were just now going through eaten, you know, drive through stuff at nine o'clock at night. And it It surprised me, but I've heard sense about this study, that's just saying that, you know, because of that they were raised in fast food drive restaurants that they have, there are a lot of issues with these, you know, with the younger generation that 20 to 30 year old group now because of that, Dr. Lori 17:31 yeah. Oh, for sure. And it's not, you know, that we always talk like, we always hear this about the fast food places, the fast food places. But even even beyond that piece, you know, they Some people say oh, no, but I don't we don't we don't go to fast foods. You know, we go food shopping. But if you're buying packaged food that goes into the microwave, and it's just, it's already made, and it's it's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. And so it I think it's a false, like sense of whatever, that they feel a little bit better, like, Oh, I'm not, you know, I'm not going out to the fast food restaurant. But you know, so I go to the food store. And again, it's all convenience, you know, our convenience of killing off, you know, I mean, listen, who was out, like, think about when we were kids who was out at nine o'clock at night, with their parents going to eat? We were already like in bed, you know, whether you're going to sleep or not, you're like, No, we ate at like dinner time. And remember back in the day, like the TV used to go off at a certain time like that. And they or they used to have the commercial. It's 10 o'clock. Do you know where your children? Are you ever that way? So it's like, but now it's like parents just, it's like, their kids are up late. They're out. I mean, okay, I could see I'm a little guilty with this with my kids. Like, my kids are definitely blue. The bedtime, you know, I used to go to bed really early, but my kids go to bed a little bit later than I did. But I like you said you're out at night and 910 o'clock at night you have a family out, just getting ready to eat or shopping at Walmart or whatever, you know, and and I'm in my head going is late for these kids to be out like what is this doing to their sleep schedule their you know, their their chemical balances. I mean, all this stuff, but it's become so accepted. Yeah, you know, so it's, it's and then that all ties in so if you if you're not getting the sleep you want and you're and your body's stressed out, you crave the credit your foods, because that's just the way I mean, you crave the carbs, you crave the and the process stuff. And so it's like all that sets up. Roy Barker 19:36 And even when my kids were small, you know, we had we lived in a small town at that time. So we were very structured dinner at five or six o'clock kids in bed by eight or 830. I couldn't imagine trying to get a child out of bed in the morning to go to school that didn't go to bed till 11 or 12 o'clock at night. I mean, it was a fight with two that were getting plenty of sleep that we'd have to call the SWAT team and Do not Terry 20:02 go when. Roy Barker 20:03 But you're right. And that's what I noticed about me is sleep deprivation starts the trigger of, I don't feel good anyway. Now I need I think if I, for some reason, it's that I want to eat something to get a little burst of energy, well, then you have to keep doing it, you know, you get a little high than he get the valley. It's such a bad cycle to get into, because that's where then I don't feel like getting out and exercising or moving. And to me, it's, I've begun to see that that is like the beginning of the end for me when things go wrong. Dr. Lori 20:41 Yeah. And it takes the it takes the awareness to stop it, you know, say, Okay, yeah, this isn't good. And this isn't, you know, and we're, when we talk about I mean, you know, everybody these days talks about habits like, Oh, well, this habit and this habit, and I don't think people even still really know how severe bad habits can be habits are not we're not just talking about the brain like subconsciously not thinking about we were saying that it's also it's a physical habit. You know, it's not just about that you're craving something, your body physically, it's just like they talked about with smoking, you know, for some odd reason, we always understand that with smoking, we're like, oh, well, there's the chemical addiction. There's the emotional psychological victim of there's a physical ditch and holding the cigarette in your hand. Well, it's the same thing with food. It's like holding a soda cup in your hand slipping through the straw. It's, it's having a bag of chips sitting down next to you, while you're, you know, watching TV. And your body is literally physically come accustomed to the fact that when you sit and watch this show, you're usually munching on this. And so even if you try your best, and you say, Okay, I'm not eating this anymore, and I'm not gonna eat past this hour, you plop down and put that TV show on, you're sitting in the same exact seats that you normally do. And all of a sudden, you wonder why 10 minutes, and you say to yourself, I'm not even hungry, this is fabulous. This is great, I'm gonna feel good. And then 10 minutes later, your body's like, Where's the chit? Like, all sudden, you're hungry? And you're like, wait, but this just doesn't make sense. I was just, I thought about it, I'm full. Now, why am I wanting to eat the chips, because that is the whole package. And you've trained and we train our brain, and inevitably, our body to do it, you know. And again, it's all about awareness, you have to become a conscious majority of your day. And it's like, we're only like, conscious about 5% of our day, right? So so in order to change it, you have to be conscious, a lot more, and it's exhausting. It really is, you know. And so in the beginning, some people are really gung ho about it, but that's why we lose the momentum. And that's why we, we, we fall off the wagon, so to speak, because we just we lose it as we, the more fatigued we get. So that's why in the morning, everybody's so perfect. Like, people get up in the morning, like, I'm not eating this today, I'm good. And you're good all day. And then as the day goes on, you hit the afternoon, and then all of a sudden, you're starting to feel it, it's a little harder, it's a little hard to say no to this, and then by a certain point, that's why sometimes I would say to my clients don't eat, you're not going to eat past this time anyway. But if you find that you're getting hungry, and you cannot, you know, like you're it's really becoming overwhelming. Go to bed, like go to bed. And and if they're like, well, I don't want to go to bed at like nine o'clock at night and blah, blah. I'm like, why not? Why got too much work to do. But if you're working and staying up on your computer, and you feel like you want to munch on something, then just say, you know what, I'm just gonna finish my work tomorrow, get up earlier, tomorrow, get up earlier, go to bed now. And then you won't feel so guilty because you didn't eat before you went to bed. And how many times do we even when we're hired? It's not even that we're actually hungry. We it's funny, we get cravings that we want to eat, like we're quote, hungry when we're tired. And when we're thirsty. Sometimes thirst is what we're what we're like, we're, we're dehydrated. Roy Barker 24:10 Yeah. And I'm like, I'm dehydrated all the time, because I don't like water. And, you know, talking about habits. You know, I was in the habit of always having a Coca Cola in my hand. The It's been a while but one day, I mindlessly wandered over to the cabinet. And they were chickpeas. So it wasn't totally bad. But you know, I had my hand in there before. I told Terry I'm I already knew he was yes. And no, we're not really wasn't even given it a thought. You know, luckily I stopped but the other night we had a good dinner, little vegetables with a little piece of meat. It was awesome. It was the right size. And then about an hour later I'm like, Oh, I can sure use a snack and she's like, Well, are you hungry again? And I stopped the dawn. I'm like no, my belly felt all full but I felt it in my chest and I don't know why it just kind of like a sinking feeling up there. But, you know, if you really stop and be mindful about where is this feeling coming from? Like, then it's like, No, I'm not hungry at all. And I was able to push through I wasn't happy about it but right. Habit because, you know, I, prior to Terry, you know, that was my thing is, you know, I would have all this bad night eating, you know, I'd sit in front of the TV and eat some popcorn, I have to admit, I'd get in the car at 10 o'clock at night and drive up to the little quick stop place. Maybe they have nachos or ice cream, just a little snack just to kind of pick me up. And I'm like, you know, like what you said, now thinking back and let me just go to bed because that's all I was really doing. was fighting sleep for a fifth, correct? Dr. Lori 25:49 Yeah. And why? Like, why do we, you know, and what you were saying about? Uh, it's you do, it's like before you know it, you're eating it. And then your brain catches up and you go, what am I doing wrong? And but the interesting thing is, for those out there listening, it's like once it is it's you have to be you have to be mindful, you cannot mindlessly do it. Because mindlessness does go subconscious. And you're just you're on autopilot. So if you're changing the habit, you force it, you force it, you're forced to have to think about it. But interestingly, the once you do it, and it, it catches, you also want to make sure that you honor yourself with saying, When thought when you're presented with the item that you use to eat or drink or whatever, and you have no desire for it, you have to honor yourself and celebrate it. You know, like I was thinking about this the other day, you know, I could not remember the last time I had soda. And I was a big soda drinker. I mean, I wasn't like I didn't have it all the time in the house. I did. I didn't actually the cool part is I never bought it for my house. But I did go out a lot. Like I'd be on my way back from work and I'd stop you know, in the kids and blah, blah, blah. And so it was had soda soda soda and, and soda was like sprite was my beer. When I would do yard work was the people like are sweating, they drink their beer over sprite was my thing. So we're like, oh, you're going to run out to this lunch to go get us something at me, you know this and give me sprite? So as we were talking about it the other day, and I'm like, yeah, you know, I haven't had soda in and I stopped for a second I said, like, I don't even remember the last time I had, so it must be like six years, you know, like six years. And I, I really loved saying it. Like I loved saying and I was like, I have not had it in six years. Like this is really, really cool. You know, and again, I didn't have that big of an addiction to it. But to be able to say that and, and it's whatever, you know, if we do happen to go out to eat, you know, whether it is a good food fast, you know, we'd say that or the or, or just a restaurant, you know, I never asked for that, you know, like, it's it's the it's always Water, water, water, you know, and don't think twice about it anymore, you know. And so I I'm happy about me and I still, you know, there's still pieces that I do struggle with that I have to be very ridiculously mindful of not eating. But I'm so glad that there's certain pieces that I've let go and it's so nice. It's so nice to not even think about it. Roy Barker 28:24 And that I've cut way down. I mean, years ago, it was worse. But that soda just, you know, I guess it's I don't think it's really all as harmless as what they make it out to be. You know, I've heard none at all that this store is dying. Yeah, yeah, that's nice. And eventually your body. It's getting some kind of a glucose out of it. So it uses that. But anyway, that's been tough. And also thinking about other triggers. Like we did a lot of soul searching on ice cream, because that is my thing. I mean, I can eat ice cream, breakfast, lunch and dinner. I don't need anything else. It's got, you know, it's all the food, all the food groups all rolled into one. But, you know, we started talking about efficiency. Well, it's like I told somebody one time like aspirin, it's just frozen cereal. But we trace this back about why it's such a big thing. And it's interesting that my two grandfather's and my dad. It's like whenever we had a celebration, that is that was the go to like I'd go over to my grandparents and be you know, it's just a little thing. You know, I'd be out there helping him push the lawnmower around, around or whatever and we put in a good day's work. Let's go get an ice cream. So one grandpa took me up to the drugstore. And then the other one. They had a dairy queen right up at the corner of their screen in a busy street. So let's show up the Dairy Queen. We need a break and then dad same way You know, it'd be at his work come with him even into my teenage years and he had always come out and stopped me and like, let's go get an ice cream. So there's a little dq down down the road from him. And it's so vivid, my memory of setting in that dq. With him the jukebox, this will give away some age, but there's like a Van Morrison song playing. I mean, I can see it just like it happened this morning. So anyway, I think that also, maybe there's a lot of the emotional stuff that's tied to anything is that, you know, that was good time spent with, you know, my loved ones for sure. But it was also reward for a job well done. So there's a lot more to it than, you know, just, Terry 30:45 you were sad. And all that. Dr. Lori 30:47 Yeah. That's what makes it so challenging. When people are, you know, like, it's, it's, it's so easy to say, oh, we're gonna switch to a clean diet, and we're not going to eat processed anymore, and we're not going to have sugar anymore, and we're not going to take in dairy anymore. and blah, blah, blah. And it is, you know, on paper, on paper, it's so easy, but, but when what when you start to I mean, listen, I grew up Italian. So like, I mean, I remember vividly going to my grandmother's, every other weekend, the whole entire family would pile into her split level house. And we would have multiple courses. And inevitably, you'd always have the macaroni That's what you call that and the sauce and the meatballs and the sausages and then they take out the pastries after and the espresso and, and to me, it's you know, it's like any most Italians will tell you that Italian Americans especially that, that it's it was always around food and, and there was always a joyful moment. And so, you know, I'll even to this day, I mean, I don't eat pasta anymore. But I'll To this day, like when somebody does have pasta, that's what I think of like, I think of Oh, you know, grandma's house. And, and you know, when the one thing I will say this, though, is that, you know, when we were all younger, not that I'm making an excuse for it, but when we were all younger, the quality was much better. So like if you were eating the pastas, and if you were eating the ice creams, it was so different than it was now even the sugar was different, it was still addictive, it was still not good. But But now the the amount of chemicals that they put in these things and the flavoring and it's just, it's we are so not just addicted, chemically but and physically but but it's it's actually carrying us off, like we're the this is not good stuff anymore. And, and it and it's it's like you know, it bothers me because we focus so much on not that we shouldn't you know, like this whole thing with, with what happened last year in the virus, it's but we have to really step up and look at the bigger picture here that we you know, our bodies are really, really powerful, we can really ward off a lot of stuff. But the more hips we ate, the less effective we become. And so, you know, I was always taught from a young age, you know, outside in, you know, the boy, whatever would do the power that made the body heals the body and your body is the ability to heal. And but you it's just like a car, you put lousy gas in the car, the car's not gonna last as long you know, and, and when we continuously put lousy stuff in and actually there's been research that shows us that generations of lousy food, have it have made the diabetes and the heart disease more prevalent in a younger age. So what they the renewer researchers saying that Okay, so my you know, the the those that were born in the set, you know, in the 70s in the 60s, you're one you were like one generation of the junk like that, that's when it kind of started it was it was starting a little early for that but that's when it really started but if you had kids and then your kids had the junk and then your kids had the junk they're really setting themselves up for some really because they didn't even get you know, the the start they didn't even get the base work and it's and they're believing that genetically we're also passing on these corrupt gene. You know, like it's almost like passing on files or going to computer and passing in these on you know, and and when we look at it that way, boy that's really scary. But that's that's very bothersome to me especially Terry 34:33 now that you said that. I mean I have two daughters and one of them the older one is eating. She She eats a lot better than than the younger one. The young ones still, you know trying to go in through the fast food grab and whatever's packaged fast, quick because she's on the go on the go on the go. And then not that my older ones not but she takes more time in is more conscious of her decisions, to eat whole foods more at Whole Foods, and she knows, you know what's good for her. And that's funny that you scientists now realize that I think they said that. Roy Barker 35:15 Yeah, the other thing I think you mentioned was garbage in, garbage out. And that's one thing while we have started this, thinking more about it, because you know, we're getting into this the age where there's really no going back, and there's not a lot of time to adjust and make changes. And so I think, you know, the, what we carry into our older age is going to determine, you know, how well we age and we don't, we always say, we don't want to outlive our wellness. And so that's what's got us really not tearing me, I'll say me, you know, it's got what me is got thinking about, you know, you have to really put the Think about what we're putting in, we should eat, to live not live to eat. Another revelation that I had is we went up to our little favorite restaurant and we had some chips in a margarita. And after we got through, I'm like, Well, why did we even go up there? We could have ate, you know, we could have ate or drank at home, we went up there for the experience, I could have had the same experience with Terry sit down patio with a glass of water, and no chips. And so, again, I'm not great at this, but I'm trying to rethink this about it, what it does, it's not about what you're eating as much as the company you're with, and the spot that you're in, that we can enjoy that and still eat good food. Dr. Lori 36:36 That's and that's what makes it so complicated. There's no easy answer, like I love when they make quotes, you know, because I mean, I do have a, quote, weight loss program that I offer. And, you know, you always hear Oh, diets don't work. And I love to argue that point. I'm like, Listen, if they didn't people, people lose weight when they're on a diet they do. But what you need to say is that they're not sustainable. And that's true, you know, we know that. So it's like, so don't say they don't work they do. I mean, otherwise, people wouldn't be using them because people lose weight on them all the time. But it's, um, we just, we're so hell bent on, you know, Oh, I got to lose the weight. Because, you know, for Vanity Fair, but and that's fine. That's fine. I think over the years, what we've done, though, is that, you know, my parents generation, they just, they just wanted to live long, you know, it's like, because, because back then their parents didn't live long. So it's like, so they, they were like, We just, we just want to live to a certain age. So instead of dying and 60, we want to be able to live to be 80. Okay, and so that when they got their wish, you know, people were living that long. You know, I mean, my Actually, my grandmother lived, she was almost 107. You know, sorry, I'm sorry, take that back. We wait, I think that back 97. But all our faculties like, she wasn't even on medication. And so So, but now it's like, okay, that's not just enough anymore. You know, I mean, I said, I think right before we got started, how old my kids are and like, so my kids are, you know, 2717 and seven. I'm 5151 and a half actually, you know, so you do the calculations. And I when my youngest one graduates high school, because I just had one the graduated high school in June. But when my youngest graduated high school, I don't want people to go up to her and say, Oh, is this your grandmother? You know, actually, what I want them to say is, Oh, is this your sister, you know, like, that's what I want. And so I so now it's okay, I it's not good enough, just for me to live long. I want to, I want to enjoy every moment of my life, and be active and participating and not be a burden on my children and or society I want to so that means that I have to do what it takes for me, you know, I it's we're we're always looking outward, oh, if I don't, if I don't look young, I'll go to the plastic surgeon. Or I'll get this procedure done or something. If I if I don't feel good, I'm going to go and get you know, gastric bypass if I'm too overweight, because I don't work. Nobody wants put in the work. You know, and you never had a problem put in the work getting this way. Like that's the funny part because it was enjoyable, you know? But you're like, Okay, you can't expect nothing to happen. Again, it's the same thing that I've said before. It's like people are shocked when the doctor says, Oh, you have to go on medication for this or that. You know, I remember years ago, my you know, my ex his family has a history of heart disease and diabetes, you know, and, and he's always been overweight, and I was overweight as well. But luckily for me, the overweight didn't go to any type of morbidity, but he was in his late 30s. And he comes home and he was all bad. He goes, You never believe what the doctor said to me. And I'm like, what he goes, I have to go on high blood pressure meds. My blood pressure is elevated. I'm like, You got to be kidding me. And he's like, he said, lose the weight. Because you're fat, lose weight and you want to go on the medic, the medication. He's like, could you believe he said That's me and I started laughing. I'm not good. I'm glad he said that to you. Because you because you are like you are and we're afraid of the F word. And God forbid, we say that f word we don't we don't want the doctors get in trouble for saying it. Oh, man, I'm sensitive. And this is what I say. nobody's saying you don't look beautiful, everybody looks beautiful the way they are, I don't care. I don't care how big how small they are. It's not about that. It's about your health, right. And if body fat equals disease, which it does, that increases your risk of certain diseases, and you lose the ones that are really common in this country. If excess body fat increases your risk, then get rid of the excess body fat, right? And then you won't be you don't have to worry about going on meds, you don't have to be sick or whatever, you know, his mother just passed away. She was only by she was 72. And she had she had diabetes for years. And she died in October. And because she had been in the hospital, the whole entire summer since the summer she was in the hospital, because of the advanced stage of her diabetes, and her kidneys started shutting down. And, and I actually, I was surprised that she lasted as long as she did, you know, because she was in and out of the hospital for last four years. So, to me that's not quality. That's not that's not okay. Like I want, you know, if my kids want to if my grandkids someday, you know, Sue and want to be climbing up on the, you know, the the playscape outside, I'm going to be climbing on there with them. You know, I don't I don't want to be saying oh my god, my back hurts. I can't do that. You know? So it's a choice. It's a choice. And it's and I'm not saying it's an easy choice. You know, it's there are those moments where you're like, Cookie looks really good. You know? And it's like, and then you say, Okay, well, if I haven't had the cookie, you know why I haven't eaten this poorly in a while. Can I have it? You know, bless those people who are avid, I mean, I gotta tell you like that are clean dieters 100%. Every single day. I'll admit it, that's not me. I you know, it's, I would say 96% of the time. I am. But there's always those moments, and, but I go in with an awareness knowing Okay, I know that if I eat this, or I drink this, there's probably gonna be consequences to pay, and I'm gonna just, I'm gonna have to live with that. And then I'm gonna have to take it easy. And not do that again for a while. barring a Terry 42:28 death sentence from your physician. How you get going, how do you keep going? What's the sustainability secret? Help me, Laurie. Help me to call you baby. I'm gonna call you baby for baby. That sounds good. Dr. Lori 42:44 So first off, you have to want to that's the number one like you can't nobody can ever talk you into doing anything unless you really want to, like if you if there's the want there. And and so you're right. It's usually we do get that done sentence. That's what gives us the push, or some people not even anymore. Some people just don't even care. They're like, I don't whatever. But it's you have to you have to have your wants. So you have to think of it emotionally, mentally, physically, physiologically, like, Okay, how am I feeling? I want my How do I look? You know, throw it all in there the login when people say, well, it's not about vanity, listen, it is for me, it was you know, like, I'm, I'm 51 I want to not just lose the weight because it's better for my health. I want to look damn good. Like, I want to, you know, I want to I want to be, I mean, it's not like I didn't feel sexy, being overweight, but I feel a lot sexier that I lost 40 pounds, I gotta tell you, you know, it's a heck of a lot more fun buying clothes. So you just have to say, okay, just let's go through the whole thing. The more emotional connection you put, the more meaning you put to it, the more successful you'll be. Okay, so then you say, all right, so emotionally, mentally, and physically in Visio, I'm connected, I want to do this. But your body will fight. You know, your subconscious brain will kick in. This is what you saw. And this was funny, because I did some training with Dr. Joe dispenza. And I highly rated he's fabulous. And, and, and he felt it so remarkably well and so easy. It is what he says. He says, You have two conversations with the subconscious and the conscious, you know, and the body is attached to the subconscious. That's the autopilot body does everything you know, that's why you just grab, you know, the food and you just put in your mouth before you thought about it. Right. So this, this is what the body does. The body says, Oh, you want to change? Alright, I'll, you know, I'll humor you for now. You know, that's fine. We'll change we'll get up in the morning at 5am we'll go workout and I don't really like it, but we'll do it. Because in the back of the body's going it'll give them a week. You know, that'd be Yeah, you know, and, and then we'll we'll we'll get our way. And that's exactly what happens. Because every day it gets a little harder and a little harder and a little harder. And then when we get into it. So if you say I'm going to get up at 5am and I'm gonna go work out and I'm going to meditate and I'm going to do all these things and then they learn goes off you go, I'm gonna hit the snooze for five minutes. Then somebody goes, yes, we're already winning. Like we're already winning the app. We got the snooze and tomorrow be longer snooze. And then then tomorrow, we'll just say, Well, I won't do it tomorrow. today. I'll take a break. I did so well, that and then and then the body goes against Yes. Because here's the deal. It's not that the body doesn't like you. The body's just following what you told it to do all those years ago. The body's saying, well, you said we didn't have to get up. You said we didn't have to exercise. You said you didn't mind looking like this. You said you'd like to eating this stuff? Why are you changing now? So when somebody pulls out the numbers I love and they pull the numbers and they go, Oh, it takes 90 days to break a habit. Oh, it takes there's if you Google is there's like, so many days, this is the real this is what it takes. It takes anywhere between a week and a year to break a habit. Wow, some are easier than others. It just depends. But the point is, is that when you get the resistance, and this is answering your question, Terry, the once you do get started, you need accountability. You need people to help you be accountable. You can't do it alone. It's just it food is addictive. But it's also necessary, we need to eat it, you know, it's like an alcoholic alcoholic has people to back them up, they have a sponsor, they have they don't have to have it in the house. But how do you tell that to somebody who you have to have food in the house. Like you can't just leave the food out and go, I'm not buying any of those anymore, you know, but so you need you need multiple accountability partners, you need somebody that's that's going to be able to answer the phone in the middle of the night. And or if you get up really early, or if I'm going through this. And you can't just rely on one sponsor like, quote, sponsor for you. So you have to, you have to go in and announce to everybody around you. This is what I want, I want to eat this way. Now I want to look this way, I want to weigh this, I want to have this amount of body fat. The reason you have to tell them all that is because they're also very used to you as you are, and it's uncomfortable for them for you to change. So if all of a sudden, like especially mother's wedding, you're not eating this, you know, it's like an insult like me, that's the mentality now what do you do about you eat more? And I don't want it I'm watching my Well, what are you talking about? You know, so you have to also announce it to them and say, I really, really need your support on that. So so and if you can't be there to support me, just don't don't dangle it in front of me. You know, don't enable me. So it's a lot of conversation, a lot of communication, a lot of writing things down. And it's everything to redirect redirect your mind so that you don't do it notes everywhere. Don't eat this. Don't eat this. Don't buy this, you know. And like that that mindlessness Roy Barker 47:49 that Be mindful about it. Yeah, it's hard. You just got to slow down. Because I'm so that way, you know, you wake up or not wake up. But you know, you kind of come to like, Oh, I just ate this whole bagel stuff I wasn't supposed to eat. And you're so right on the habits that, you know, you have the best of intentions, but it just takes time. It takes sometimes a lot of time and a lot of effort and a lot of willpower. Terry 48:15 Well, and when we talk to you the first time I have Joe dispenza this book that you have listed what it is even the habits, breaking the habit of being yourself. Yeah, I can't even think it's sitting right there on my nightstand. What a great, fabulous. It is. I mean, you know, it's good. I'm not finished with it, but I have it there and I've started it and and I am expecting great things. And I will share it with Roy. But I do share I mean, you know, he'll be reading something else. And I'll be Hey, you're saying this and he's like I'm trying to read. But he you know, we've heard his name thrown around a lot. So there's something to what is coming out of his mouth and from his pen. Dr. Lori 49:01 He is and I recommend it to your your audience. And to both of you. It's the three the there's the three amigos they're called it's Dr. Joe dispenza. It's Dr. Bruce Lipton. And it's Gregg Braden. And Gregg Braden is more of the spiritual but it's still the mindset just like Joe's talks about Joe was more of those science meditation guy and then Dr. Bruce lips Lipton is the epi genetic sky. And he's the one talking about how you can literally rewrite your genes and you know you we all have these we all have the markers, the quote, I love when when doctors say stuff like that, oh, we have the marker you you're gonna you have a family history of diabetes and heart disease. So you have the genetics for it. So you're gonna get it. And it's like so what epigenetics and this is the total science you know, this epi genetic says they're there, but something turns them on. And once they're turned on, then Then the disease process, wolves will start. And if you can turn them on, then you should be able to turn them off. And the way we turn them on is through our lifestyle. It's our eating, it's our stress level, that's our lack of sleep. And after, that's why most kids are born, you know, they're not born or they don't develop diabetes. And when I say that, we're talking about type two diabetes, we're talking about adult onset. They know they're not born with that, if they're going to be born born with or get diabetes, when they're children. It's type one, and it's a different entity, but we're talking about they don't they are born with atherosclerosis, and they don't develop it at five, you know, this is years of living our life, you know, it's a lifestyle. So, so when you look at a newborn, and you look at or a three year olds, and if you look at that kid and say, Oh, well, you have the genetics for that. So, you know, Michael, put you on the meds now, or, you know, something stupid like that, but, but the reason we can prevent it, or why is it that people have a heart attack? And that's their wake up call. And then they massively change their, their, their diet, and they start exercising, they start running. And next, you know, they're running, they've slimmed down. They're off their meds. And they're running marathons. Like what How is that possible? Because that's the way the body works. We can reverse things with it unless we get so so bad. Right? But it's that's why then some people just give up on they'll say ads too late. It's never too late. Again, it's about you know, it's the expression. If, if it's important to you, you'll find a way If not, you'll find an excuse, right, and that and that's what it is. Terry 51:41 So true. That is so true. Oh, Roy Barker 51:44 I was gonna ask you. I know, we've talked about a lot of things. And we're getting short on time. But can you talk about your seven core pillars of alignment? Or? Yes? And no, what we'll have to do is get you to come back on we could talk about that. Dr. Lori 51:59 Yeah, no, I'll talk really quick about them. So it's seven, it's, it's when you're looking at aligning with your like, being in living the healthy life living an abundant life. If you if you don't address all these things, then there will always be something missing, you'll always be off, you'll be misaligned in that way. So what it is, is it's your mental, being, your emotional being, your physical being, your physiological being mean, and how you function. You're about how your body functions, your spiritual being, and your social being, and then your financial being. And, you know, you could be in the greatest health and in the best shape, and you eat well and you meditate, but your finances stink, that's going to add stress. And that's going to prevent you from doing the things that you want to do. And that's going to take its toll and so, so when you when you work on every single one of those pieces, that's when that's, that's how you're going to live an abundant life. And, and we're not saying that you you have to have all these things, and you know, all these tangible items, it's just a matter of just what's important to you. So when you're you and you have to define each of those for yourself, but work towards all of them, you know, so and then they do come and steps. That's why that's why it's it's interesting, when people lose a lot of weight. You know, they'll get divorced sometimes because they've transformed their body, but they also transform their their themselves. And, and they don't know why they're like, I don't know why, like, I don't want to be with this person anymore, that my my significant other doesn't want to be with me anymore. Because I lost the weight. But don't worry, they'll get meaner because they get angry, they get so angry that they didn't do this sooner, or they're just different. Or they're it's also the same reason why people fail at it and gain the weight back because the weight loss the physical change, and the physiological change. Their mental and emotional states weren't prepared for it. Interesting like when somebody wins the lotto, you know, when they win the lottery, they The reason they a lot of them loses like it's really crazy statistic, it's like 85% who win the lottery are right back to where they were within a five to 10 year mark or something like that. Because they didn't change their mindset. They didn't there was an a mental emotional connection to the lack of money or the maybe not lack but the the middle class or whatever they were class they were in, that they couldn't fit into the all of a sudden I have all this money, and they couldn't make it happen. So that's, that's where that came up with and that really came up. It's not like I mean, there's all types you'll hear for there's four things or six things or that but this was really specific to what I noticed about my growth and and it does align with other what other people say but that's just my those are the seven and you can do all of those things. But if if you don't have the social element It's a moot point if you so any one of them, if they're not, if you don't feel like completely aligned or authentic, you know, that's the other piece of that you're aligning with your authentic self. So if you don't feel that that's you're resonating with each of those pillars for who you are in a positive way, then you'll need the work like you know, and it doesn't matter who you get the work from, it's just you got to do the work, you know? Terry 55:28 Well, and you said you said also we you also have a victor fat wellness program, I wanted you to talk about a little bit about that too. On a note work Dr. Lori 55:40 time time. Crunch. It's it's a six week program. And it's it's based off the the chirothin weight loss program, which is a chiropractic program. It's only Roy Barker 55:55 Oh, no. Can you still hear me? Can you hear me? Terry 56:14 Okay, sorry about that. Roy Barker 56:16 went away at the chiropractic chirothin Terry 56:19 carrier. Dr. Lori 56:20 So the chirothin program is a it's a it's a six week weight loss program marketed specifically to chiropractors. And it's, it's a combination of supplements and eating have like a eating protocol, you know, intermittent fasting, cutting certain things out elimination protocol, so certain foods, you don't eat you. And minimal exercise. Like there's there's specific exercises that you do. But what I added to mine, that's why quality, like the fat program is that it I added to the coaching piece, because, you know, you can get people to go on this. But listen, I went on it the first time and I cheated myself. So it's like, the so I'm like, I can't get to be accountable here. You know, I'm supposed to be the doc, you know. So I did it, wipe package it one day, and I said, I'm gonna just put some group coaching sessions with it, and I'm gonna go on it myself with the group. And that's how I lost the 40 pounds. And I did it from like, mid June to the beginning of November, November, I lost 40 pounds. But, um, and it's, it's great, you know, and it's really, it's marketed as a weight loss program, but it's a it's really an anti inflammatory elimination protocol, you know, and then you just sort of eat that from that point going forward. And I mean, you feel fabulous after I mean, the weight loss is like a side effect that we say it's but but I have people getting off meds, lowering meds. You know, having been diagnosed with autoimmune diseases, where it's either went into remission, or their symptoms are a lot less. So. I mean, in the end, that's what it's really all about. Roy Barker 58:01 Wow. All right. Well, we're gonna get you to promise to come back and see us there's so much more we could talk for hours, we know that, you know, you have a fun place to go to. And have to watch but better be careful what I eat and drink there. So I have to go to a party. Terry 58:18 Yeah, that's kind of a downer after you've had your discussion with us. And yeah. Roy Barker 58:23 So what is a habit or a tool, what's something that you do every day in your life that you feel adds a lot of value professional or personal. Dr. Lori 58:33 I live I am a mindfulness practice person. I'm, that's, that's what I do. I don't if I if I don't do it in the morning, which I my intention is always to do something like a meditation breathing, you know, manifesting, I will do it throughout the day. But gratitude is probably the biggest piece for me. I really through all throughout my day, different times, I will talk, you know, think about what I'm grateful for, say it out loud, something comes up and I'm like, wow, I'm really grateful for this, you know, and it's it's such a game changer. And you know, even even when it's a bad situation, and what about you know, what, what can I learn from this what, so I'm going to be grateful for this piece. And I always feel worse when I don't do it. Like if I notice that I'm in a bad mood. I have to think back and go when was last time I said, you know, maybe it was like in the morning and it's like all day. Okay, that's it, then what am i grateful for right now? I'm really grateful. I'm like, I'm grateful for moments like this to be able to speak and share my knowledge, you know? Roy Barker 59:37 Well, we were grateful that you took time out of your day to be here too. We are and I think that is awesome. You know, we no matter how bad things are, there's usually somebody that's got things a lot worse than we'll ever know. So just being thankful for being able to have some sunshine in our day or whatever, you know, other positive things are going on. Sometimes just to live through a day is granted. Do that dude. All right, Dr. Laurie will tell everybody you know, who do you like to work with how you can help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you? Dr. Lori 1:00:12 So you could reach out to me I have a website, Dr. Laurie Monaco calm. I'm also on Facebook and LinkedIn for the same under the same name Dr. Laurie Monaco, Instagram, I am the badass Buta one. And let's see Tick tock, the badass Buddha and I also have YouTube I view to channel Viva coffee cola chain, Dr. Laurie Monaco, I work with I really love working especially with people who are really new new coaching that have never really coached before that are have that idea that they're really not worth it, or they they're stuck or they have depression or anxiety. I do work with men and women, I guess I tend to work with women more so. But that's not that just just the way it is sometimes. And I do work with teens and younger, but I think vast majority of my people are like in their 20s and up. But it's it's for people that really, you know, I'm I'm a cheerleader. I'm I'm in your face. I'm you know, I but I'm also your biggest fan like I you know that and that's, I think, you know, I met I balanced between loving and and pushing without enabling. And so for anybody who feels like they just think maybe they can't work with a coach that's so hardcore, or, you know, is is too regimented. I'm regimented, but I have a whole way of like my regimen. So but it works. It works really well. So, Terry 1:01:45 okay, the BB regimen. Roy Barker 1:01:47 Yes, the DB DB. All right, we all reach out to Dr. Lori, see how she can help you. I mean, a lot of great stuff. Thank you so much. Again, great conversation. And we'll get you back on we can go into a little bit more of this stuff more in day. Thanks, Ray. Thanks, Terry for having me on. And thanks for for listening to me today. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of the feeding fatty podcast. I'm Roy. I'm telling you can find us at www dot feeding fatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. If we're not on one that you listen to please reach out I'd be glad to get it added to make your listening easier. 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When Conventional Medicine Was No Help, This Mother Jumped Into Action Featuring Amy White Is your body working with you or against you? It's not hard to tell. How do you feel? We need to listen to what our bodies are trying to tell us. When we don't listen, sometimes the only option is to have a major malfunction of some type. We also should be comfortable in our own skin. Its never too late to make needed changes in your diet, sleeping, exercise About Amy Amy White is a board-certified holistic nutritionist and functional nutrition and lifestyle practitioner. She has been working as a nutritionist, health & weight loss coach for over 12 years. Throughout this time Amy has come to understand that most health and body weight frustration is often a simple body communication problem. Once proper communication with the body is restored excellent health and a happy body weight become the natural result of living and enjoying everyday life. My work is more than food. It's really about lifestyle choices and learning how to eat for the health and body you want. I believe it's important to really understand inputs beyond food that impact overall wellness. Things like, sleep, fasting, protein, movement/exercise, self-talk and for a lot of my client base (over 50) embracing age as number and taking responsibility for the quality of your life. www.thesimplicityofwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below When Conventional Medicine Was No Help, This Mother Jumped Into Action Featuring Amy White Fri, 7/23 3:08PM • 31:44 SUMMARY KEYWORDS body, eat, people, thought, food, health, happening, sugars, feel, gut, doctor, inflamed, functional medicine, processed, headache, point, bad, guess, learned, late 30s SPEAKERS Amy, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. Terry 00:06 I'm your host, Roy and Terry. Roy Barker 00:07 So we are the podcast chronicling our journey through wellness. It can include you know, what, what we intake as far as food, our exercise our movement, you know, I've, there's a lot of difference between moving and exercising. And so movement is a good point to talk about with that, but also our mindset, we a lot of times we know what we need to do, it's just doing it and it's being sustainable. So those are the things that we'd like to talk about. And we also have, you know, professionals in the field on. And so we're lucky we have Amy White with us today, Terry, I'll let you introduce Amy. Terry 00:35 Yeah, Amy White is a Board Certified Holistic Nutritionist and Functional Nutrition and lifestyle practitioner. She's been working as a nutritionist, health, health and weight loss coach for over 12 years. Throughout this time, she's come to understand that most health and body weight frustration is often a simple body communication problem. Once proper communication with the body is restored. excellent health and happy body weight becomes the natural result of living and enjoying everyday life. Amy, welcome to the show, I want to talk about this communication with your body. Yeah, and how did you find yourself in this realm of nutrition and coaching and all of that? Amy 01:13 Well, I'm so I'm currently in my mid 50s. And I entered this area in my late 30s, really early 40s. And it was, you know, just like most people's stories, it was a family health issue, not mine, but my daughter's. And so I got into nutrition actually, because of gut health. So she had some gut gut issues. And we were we were unfortunately found ourselves in a position where the conventional medical community didn't seem to be able to help. And so then it was just kind of like, I'm one of those people that you know, once I tug on a thread, if I can't find the answer, I just have to keep digging. And she was she was getting ready to go to college, and she had digestive issues her entire life. And at this point, right, she's now like 16. And I'm thinking we should probably fix this. I'm such a good mom, let's wait 16 years to dig into this. So we did and we actually went and had a gastro enthrall just do a whole scope and see what was going on in there. And she basically said, Oh, she's fine. And I just kind of like he is because she's really not, you know, we go out to dinner at a restaurant and she ends up leaving the table and going outside and sitting on the curb. Because she feels so bad. And she's got this pressure and whatever. Wow. So the doc was like, Yeah, no, no, she's fine. She doesn't even have reflux or esophagus is beautiful. And we've been told she had reflux, and she was one month old. So that was actually nice to know. And but as the doctor was leaving the recovery room, she turned around and she said, Oh, I mean, her small intestine is red and inflamed. But that's really nothing to worry about. And then she left. And I thought, that seems like something to worry about. But I had new zero at this point. And I was completely we were living in Chicago at the time. And I was complaining some our girlfriends, I'm like, I don't know, and I'm sure we've all been there. But this was the first time in my life was in this position where I sought the expert looked for the answer and didn't get an answer. And then I had no idea who to ask where to turn. It was just it was very scary and frustrating. And so many people stop at that after they hear their so called expert. I mean, not that they're, you know, medical experts and all that they just stop. Yeah, but you were a woman on a mission. I'm sorry. Well, I literally thought I was stopped. I was just like, Oh, I guess I don't know. But I was very uncomfortable with that. It just felt bad. And so I was complaining. And one of my girlfriends said, Oh, you need to go see this nutritionist. And I literally was like, I don't even know what that is. But I'm in. And so that's where I got introduced to this idea of nutritionists. And I was like, hold on. And so she made one tiny dietary change. She I mean, we saw her once she said do this, which was all she told my daughter to do was stop eating gluten. I mean, you know, and back then it was like, Oh, the gluten thing. And so we did so we left the office and we went to Whole Foods and bought everything that said gluten free, which again, I don't recommend, but at the time, that's all we knew. And but you know what, even just doing that two weeks, my daughter, everything changed. It was a little freaky. And I thought Hold on a second. This is like magical. And so I started reading everything I could find about food and the body and I find We looked at my husband, my daughter ended up leaving for college and I looked at my husband and I said, I am out of things to read, I've run out. So I said, I'm going to take, I guess I'm going to start a program because they will have a reading list. So I inevitably ended up joining or getting into a new master's program for nutrition. And I had looked at, we were in again in Chicago, so I looked at the local universities and what they offered, and I was reading the syllabus, and I thought, you know, this is kind of exactly what I don't believe anymore. So it was more conventional. And I thought I don't, there's got to be something else. Because this is this. This is what I've learned from that nutritionist and what I've learned in my reading, and then I stumbled on holistic nutrition. And that's when I was like, Oh, this is it. This is what I've been looking for. And so that is the program, I got my master's in and then became board certified in that. And then went on to get certified as a functional nutritionist. So using functional medicine frameworks and things like that with patients and clients. Yeah. So it's Yeah, so that's, anyway, that's what happened or how it got started. Yeah, it's interesting. Anytime somebody says red inflamed, and that's in the conversation, I mean, it's just kind of mind boggling. At the very least, if it wasn't a big deal, you would think that that would have been part of the larger conversation, like we see this, it's okay. But, you know, anyway, it's, we I guess that's the other good lesson from that is, you know, we have to actually invest in ourselves. And even if we hear something from, you know, somebody that's educated, we're all human, we all make mistakes. So, investing that time in our own health is, as youth proven very well worth it. And they may not know, I mean, you know, they may not know if it's a traditional type ration, they may not know, to, to tell you to go somewhere else to get more information. I mean, why is it red? Why is it plain. And I, I've since learned, you know, that she was really on the road to sort of celiac. So what was happening was those micro villi in her small intestine, were just getting rubbed down and beaten down. And if we hadn't intervened, it's very likely that she could be much sicker now or that she wouldn't be. And so we were lucky to be able to get in there and kind of hope that when we did, and but you just intuitively, I think you kind of know if something feels right or wrong, like if someone says something, and just intuitively you can kind of go, Yeah, I don't think I don't. Yeah, that doesn't feel right. So saying retina inflamed, like you said, isn't an issue didn't feel right. You know, it's just like, that Terry 05:51 sounds weird. And Roy Barker 05:51 that's not that doesn't usually come after the Oh, by the way. Yeah, it was a very surreal experience. Well, we're glad she is back. To be unhealthy. And you know, what, that's one thing. That's, that's why we love this show is because, you know, we, I think we started it just because of the accountability and actually to just let other people know that you're not alone. And when you're, you know, whatever you're going through, somebody else is going through it, maybe there's some helping community. But it's been amazing the stuff that we have learned. You know, and I think this is another big area that we've kind of learned, we've learned enough about just to know what it matters is that gut health that so many things, start in our guts, you know, our brain health, a lot of the, you know, I guess, the release of chemicals, and endorphins and things like that, but it's a very important part of our wellness, but traditionally, you just don't hear much about it. Terry 06:42 Well, your your our immune system is housed down there in our gut. So really overall health, it is going to have to start in the gut. And so many people don't consider gut health because they don't have gas and bloating, or constipation or diarrhea. They maybe they have anxiety or depression, excessive levels of stress, migraine headaches, but they don't associate that with their food. And so it's really interesting to help people understand there's it's it's quite a wide range of things that you can feel if your gut is out of balance. Amy 07:08 And you could kind of if you don't mind, you can kind of educate us a little bit because, you know, we have got a couple of functional providers that we have talked to before. And so I guess what kind of tell us the the difference in the holistic and the functional and traditional because I feel like the functional makes an effort to get to the root of it. Not like oh man, I've got a bad headache. Okay, here's an aspirin. But more of the question of what is the underlying issue causing this headache For sure, so root cause protocols is what they call in functional medicine. So you're kind of looking at the symptom. So the thing that somebody is complaining about, and then you're like, Okay, well, you can take an acid, and that will stop the immediate pain. But why are you having the pain? So that's what functional medicine is doing. It's, it's a very curious place to be, you know, you're just very fascinated and curious with what's happening. And ideally, you want the patient or client to become as fascinated by their own body, you know, so they start to ask those questions. So what's causing that? So that would be the functional aspect, right? We want to get to the root cause and stop, stop the symptom from happening. The holistic part as with functional medicine, and this is only my interpretation, but its whole body health. And so with holistic, everything is so synergistic. So again, it's not just food, it's food, it's sleep. It's body movement, it's detoxification, so much everything that's going on in the body, and it's all synergistic. And so that's kind of the holistic approach is how do we make everything kind of work together? And so that, to me, that traditional conventional approach has sort of, in my mind shifted to more of that. band aids, right? So we take this pill, and then we take this pill, counteract the effects of that pill, and it's just sort of masking the root problem. So yeah, so that's kind of were kind of how I think about it. We had a guy on, we haven't aired the episode yet, but we had Dr. Robert Yoho, on that, talk to us the other day about the the amount of revenue that doctors make off of prescriptions, and it's unbelievable, really, I guess, I never, I knew that they probably had some incentives, but I didn't realize that, you know, some of them could be as much as it was. So it was almost a disincentive. I'd rather keep giving you the aspirin for a headache, because I'm making a little money off that. If I were to actually cure you, then, you know, where's my income stream. And I know, not all, all traditional doctors are that way. But definitely, it's a conflict. It's scary. If you let your head go there, because you can spiral and just be like, Wait a second, you know, and it's so it is a little scary. I remember, way back when I had first started in my holistic nutrition program, and I was talking to a friend of mine, and one of her kids, her little kids was having some gut issues and some problems. And so we were chatting about this, that, you know, I don't know what they were eating. And I something they were just eating traditional American foods, so cereal, and, you know, granola bars and whatever. And I said, I, you know, I, I think you might want to adjust what they're having, or somehow we got onto food. And she said, Listen, there's no way that there's food in the grocery store that is going to be harmful and dangerous to us, because there's no way the government would allow that to happen. And I just remember just sort of, like, almost just I was speechless, because I thought, Oh, my gosh, people actually believe that. And I but they don't really care about our health. That's not what's going on, you know, in the store, when with most foods there is our health isn't the focus, it's money. There. It's a business and, and so I thought that was so eye opening. This is a this is a woman who's incredibly edgy, she's well educated, she's a lawyer, she you know, and I thought, wow, I just so that was sort of eye opening, and it kind of helped me understand. Maybe we're most people's perspective is Roy Barker 10:17 Right, right. Amy 10:18 That's so true. Oh my gosh, so many people do think about that, and many things, but especially with the food aspect of why our government would allow people to poison us. Yeah. Yeah, and even like with the things that do come up with, you know, meat or whatever, it's just that there's not enough people also to to monitor every action of every manufacturer. And so sometimes, even if it perceived to be okay, you know, things can go wrong in the process to make it really not bad. And fortunately, until people start coming in to a doctor and report it, we just don't know about that. Right? So I'm a big advocate for people really taking the time to notice how they feel, right? If something's going to make someone else feel great, whereas it's going to make someone else feel terrible. So you just have to really start to we say you need to sort of, you know, put your detectives cap on and just really like, does this make me feel better? Does this make me feel worse? Yeah. You know, it may be totally different for my husband and my kids, but each one of you are going to have a different reaction. But you have to take the time to if you care, and maybe you aren't feeling as good as you think you can feel then you need to take that time to just say, Hmm, yeah, this works for me, and this doesn't, and it's maybe journal it. Yeah. And I definitely have had clients who have said no It never occurred to me to think about how the food I eat made me feel. And then once they did, they were shocked to realize, Oh, I have choices here, I actually don't have to eat these things if they make me feel terrible. And that's when sort of things start to change. Roy Barker 11:35 I guess that's part of the communication that we were taught. I think Terry was asking about that, in your intro, you know, the communication, the simple body communication is a problem. Terry 11:46 Yeah, what is that, Amy 11:47 so, so remember, food, is just information. And it's how we communicate with the body. So when we, we tell them, we want something from our body, we want to, you know, have excellent health, great energy, we want to sleep well, we want to fit into our, you know, ideal size of clothing, you know, whatever it is, we need to use food to tell the body specifically what it is that we really need from it. And so I think of the body as this, you know, kind of obedient three year old, that takes everything very literally. So you have to be very careful about what you're saying, because it's going to do what you tell it to do. And so when I was back in my late 30s, and I was putting on weight, and I was uncomfortable, and I was achy. And I was always in a bad mood. And just it was that it was it was horrible. I thought I was telling my body, I really want to sleep while I want great energy, I really want to, you know, drop some weight and feel good again, but really, by what I was eating, I was telling my body, we're going to sit very quietly, we're not going to have any energy, so we're going to definitely want to not move. And then we're going to want to pack on a lot of extra fat. And hold on to that, you know, so that was what I was telling my body based again, based on the what I was eating, which was a lot of processed manufactured carbohydrates. And because I was trying to not eat too much me and I was trying to avoid fats and you know, so I was, you know, eating things that said fat free and low calorie and, but they weren't, they weren't telling my body the right message. Because they, because they were so processed and manufactured and everything came in a little, you know, single serve baggie, or this that or in this little, you know, you know, throw it in the microwave dinner, you know, perfect size. It wasn't it really matters what you choose to eat. And so, this is getting a little confusing, but there's another term that I learned along the way, and it was called metabolic debt. And I love this. So again, I was approaching 40, I had pretty much spent the 20 years prior eating, doing whatever I wanted. And for the most part, my body compensated, and I was okay. But then all of a sudden, in my mid 30s, my body sort of stopped holding it together for me, which is I basically my metabolic debt from all of the previous years had kind of caught up with me and my body was like, I can't, I can't mask this anymore. I can't do it. This is really what's going on. And so I was metabolically very out of balance. My blood sugar's were really high, it was complete sugar addict. I'm sure my insulin was high. I didn't know at that time that you could even test insulin. I didn't know what it was. But based on what was going on with my body, those were the signs that's where I was headed, wasn't sleeping, well, it no energy. Man, I was such a cranky monster too, is I wasn't fun to be around. And so anyway, at once we went through this whole thing with my daughter and I learned about food as magic. I also learned Oh, hold on a second, I need to eat in a different way to tell my body a different story. And so once I started shifting what I was eating, and I got off the process carbohydrates and a cut way down on the on the sugars, and I use, you know, carbohydrate as an umbrella term for sugars. So less grains, less, you know, all of that stuff. And then my body started responding completely differently. And that's when all of a sudden might come body composition started to change again, and I started getting you know, heading. So now at 54 I am in way better shape than I was at 37 not just shape, but my health is better, my energy is better, I sleep better. All of those metrics are so, so much better. If this is who I had been when I was 37 I would have been so happy. So you're myself and everything you're saying I mean because in your 30 you know you're maybe you're raising your kids doing what you can for your family, you just kind of whatever you can get to eat quick and easy for you and your kids. So everybody's eating all the processed everything going through the drive thru is all of that and then You have all these aches and pains and headaches and oh my gosh, and I put on tons of weight to Yeah. And it's amazing. If you eat the eat the right foods for your body. What can happen is just a whole transformation. And I saw this funny Instagram or tweet yesterday or today and it said, Listen, if you hold off on dinner long enough, everyone will eat cereal. So follow me for more healthy food tips. And I cracked up because I was like, right, that's what you do. Because everyone's so busy. And I thought, ah, and then eat cereal, and it's horrible. But it was so funny, because I'm like, that's so true. So I tend to. So when I was 37, I felt terrible. And it felt like it that was it for me, like the best years were behind me. Because everybody had always said, Oh, you're on a sporty Oh, it just gets worse when she hits 40. And I thought, again, not something I liked. I didn't like it when people said that to me. And so I got a little bit, you know, competitive. I was like, that's not gonna happen, you know that. That's not okay. But yet, then I saw it happening. And I was like, no. And, and so since in the years that I've been doing this, especially with the doctor referred patients that I see, I have had women in their late 30s say to me, I know my best years are behind me, I just don't want it to get worse. I mean, it's okay, but how can I sort of, not gain more weight not have less energy, and I just, if I have to stay here, I'm here, I just don't want it to get worse. And I thought, Oh, it just broke my heart. Because I thought no, if they're not behind you, you have so much ahead of you, but they just kind of had in their own mind given up because they didn't realize that they can completely change how they look how they feel. So that's sort of my mission at this point is to is to impact these women who have spent their life nurturing everyone else. But now they're at this point where their kids are grown up, they're moving out, they have more free time. And you know, they've, they've probably got some money that they can spend on themselves. It's just a point in life, that's actually should be really fun. Because, you know, we're kind of having this second childhood, but we're, you know, we have more wisdom, we have more money, we have more time. And we don't care so much about what everyone else thinks. So it's time to really kind of take charge and kind of embrace that, and be the best version of you. So I just, I don't want to hear another woman or man for that matter. Say, yeah, I just I know, my best years are behind me. And I, you know, I just hope I, you know, I don't know, you know, I don't know what they expect. But, Roy Barker 22:45 ya know, because this is the best time. You know, it's a, it's a great time in life. But you need to feel good to enjoy that. And to understand that and say, I have my days, you know, still trying to sort all this eating out. But definitely, you know, there are some things that, like you said, talking to you're listening to what your body's telling you. And it's the things I love the most probably but you know, like the chips at the Mexican restaurant and the Margarita. And I don't know what's changed about that. It's my body, but it's like, they put a lot of this heavy syrup in it to vibrate and sweeten it. And that stuff. It just almost makes me ill. I mean, like to the point that it's that next morning when I get up we've talked about this before is that now for maybe two or three hours, it is like my head from my eyes is just full of congestion. It takes me a long time just to get out from under that. And anyway, so you know, like that stuff. I just have to stay away from it. Now there's no Amy 23:48 Well, it sounds like you've shifted your diet in such a way that you really decrease those extraneous sugars. And so you're much more sensitive to the sugar. Because what I've discovered it's not the tequila. It's actually this like you said, it's the syrup. Yeah, and your body's now having this huge hit from the sugar and it's going Wait a second. We don't do this anymore. And now you're actually wreck I said this to somebody recently, too. I said, How cool is that? that your body is letting you recognize how inflammatory those sugars are. Oh, look what it's doing. Yeah, Terry 24:21 that's a great that's a great way to say it. Ah, I mean, it's sometimes I was watching a show a morning show couple days ago and this gal was on there she's she's a health health coach. I'm not sure exactly which specific area but but she was in the gym. When Conventional Medicine Was No Help, This Mother Jumped Into Action Featuring Amy White Tue, 8/31 6:12PM • 41:04 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, protein, diabetic, food, salt, sugar, clients, insulin, vegetables, manage, long, grams, blood pressure medicines, keto, week, person, feel, squash, high blood pressure, day SPEAKERS Amy, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:03 Hello, welcome back to the Feeding Fatty show. I just wanted to wanted to make just a little announcement that we lost power in the initial interview with Amy White. And she has agreed to come back on we're gonna finish the talk. So that's where we're picking up if it seems like it's a kind of a weird segment into this, just wanted to let everybody know exactly why so Terry 00:27 little choppy? Roy Barker 00:28 Yeah, yeah. Amy, thanks for taking time to come back. That was awkward. Oh, yeah. No my pleasure, I just like when the you know, just the power went out. And it was down for about three hours. That night naturally went out a second time. But anyway, we're all good now. So welcome back. Thanks for taking time out of your day. And so I thank you and Terry had a little conversation there going, and we wanted to be sure and capture talking about, I guess, we want to go with the type two diabetic and high blood pressure. Amy 01:00 Yes. So that is a you see that combination, often that that high blood pressure tends to go along with high insulin, so pre diabetes, type two diabetes, so that whole sort of metabolic imbalance. And I was saying that I have, typically when I work with pre diabetics, so people will come to me because their doctor wants them to go on medication for their pre diabetes, and they're like, I don't want to go on medication. I would rather fix this. And the doctor usually says, Okay, well, let's come back in three months. And which works perfectly, because that's what I like, is 12 weeks. And so they'll come see me and they're like, Can we do this so that I don't have to go on medication. And I'm like, absolutely. So in a matter of 12 weeks, we will basically adjust their diet to manage those metabolic hormones that are high insulin, blood sugar. And and typically in 12 weeks, we see their their labs completely shift to healthy non diabetic labs. So they no longer are showing us pre diabetic so that the doctor is like well, we there's no conversation to have because you're not pre diabetic. Now I've had the opportunity to work with there's a doctor that refers patients to me. And so I have had the opportunity to work with a diagnosed type two diabetic. And, and he was on three blood pressure medicines. And he wanted to manage this. And so he started working with me and again, we did a 12 week window. And as it as a diagnosed type two diabetic, I mean, his labs for really bad, let's say, it's hard to quantify without my numbers in front of me, but not good. And but in 12 weeks, he shifted all of his lab markers to non diabetic lab markers, and better I mean, not even pre diabetic he was again, in all healthy optimal ranges. And, and he felt great, but I was saying one of the things was that he didn't lose a tremendous amount of weight, I think he lost 20 or 25 pounds, which I guess in 12 weeks actually is a lot of weight. But he hadn't probably he would probably have liked to lose another 20 pounds, maybe. But ultimately, he came off all of he was on three blood pressure medicines, and he came off all of that. And but one of the things that's so important, if you're listening to this, if you are on high blood pressure medicine, and you're shifting your diet, you have to have a cough at home, because it happens very quickly, you can start coming off those medications, like within a week. So you have to have a cuff at home. If you're starting to notice that you bent over and you stood up and got dizzy, check your blood pressure might be too low. So you need to make sure you can get through to your doctor and let them know what you're doing so they can adjust your medication. Because Yeah, you don't want to you don't want to be passing out because your blood pressure is now too low. Roy Barker 03:59 Right? Right. So what were some of the fundamental shifts that y'all made? Yes. Amy 04:04 Well, you know, for for this particular person, because I knew they were type two diabetic we went in and really attack the sugars in the diet. So where are the sugars coming from? What is it that's keeping his insulin high? Why is his blood sugar so high, so we did have to go in and get real serious about cutting out sugars, and really at that point, anything that converts quickly to sugar. So, you know, starchy vegetables are not bad foods, fruits, not bad foods, and these are all good foods. But if you are already suffering with high insulin and high blood sugar, these foods are not helping. They're just gonna keep your blood sugar high. Once you're healthy and your blood sugar is at a normal level, you can start to reintroduce these foods and see how well you tolerate certain things or you know how much of something you can have before Sort of impacting negatively. And often, depending on how long you've been sick, how long you've been tied to diabetic can reflect how much you're going to be able to reintroduce. So it's been a long time, you often are going to be very carb sensitive, and you may not be able to reintroduce as much as maybe you'd like to. Roy Barker 05:22 And I know you, we kind of caught you off guard with this topic. So you may not have this right top of mind. But was this was this person a, I don't know how to describe it more like a junk food or candy bar, ice cream eater, or did they have a pretty good diet, it was just the the underlying things that we don't think about, like the fruits and the starchy vegetables that was causing the problem, Amy 05:51 and a lot of alcohol. So a lot of fruits, this person has tons of fruit trees in their yard. And so they would, you know, do a lot of canning and making fun drinks and with the fruit and baking. And this person was it's also it was also a man, so he also was traveling, so he spent more time out away from home than he was at home. So that's kind of a high stress environment. So he was always traveling. So there was a lot of conferences where he was just eating what was available, going out with clients. So a lot, not necessarily junk food, but maybe more restaurant foods, unhealthy fats, things that you can't control when you're in that kind of an environment. But I think I think a lot of it was, um, there was a lot of alcohol, a lot of fruit. But yeah, there was there was treats and stuff in there. And I know, it was funny, because one of the shifts that this particular person made was over to a lot of cheese. So they sort of took out a lot of the goodies and and ate cheese instead, which can backfire. But at the beginning when you're trying to come off the sugar, it really worked for this particular person. Now in the long run, if you have weight to lose, or want to lose weight, the cheese definitely will, will slow you down or totally can backfire at some point. Same with nuts. So that's usually that's tier two, where we start looking at that kind of stuff. That's the first things first is to break the sugar cravings. So yeah, stop kind of needing the sugars. Roy Barker 07:34 Well, that's one thing that we kind of figured we were way over doing is cheese. I mean, yeah, it was like there was nothing that Terry 07:43 dairy in general Roy Barker 07:44 is just like there was nothing that cheese wouldn't cure, or whatever. But also, for the high blood pressure side, I think a lot of cheeses tend to be high salt. Is that correct? Amy 07:59 Well, um, yeah, I think there can be salt. But that's one of those interesting things where everybody kind of with high blood pressure, Biggie gets real worried about the sodium. And but you know what, we need salt. So there's been a lot of, I've been reading a lot about salt and how important it is in the body and how it's actually a misnomer to think that with high blood pressure, though, you need to eat less salt. Because there's this, you know, I'm not a salt expert, but it's I definitely push salt on my clients. One of the things if we're stopping the processed foods, then all of a sudden, you aren't eating as much sodium as you think you are. And when your insulin starts to come down, I like to sort of I describe it to my clients, I'm like, when our insulin is high, our kidneys are kind of like clench, they're just like, you know, kind of angry, and then as her insulin comes down, we tend to flush, all of a sudden our kidneys relax, and they start functioning the way they're supposed to function. And we refresh all this fluid. So one of the things you notice when your insulin starts coming down is you have to pee a lot. That's a good sign. But we're flushing all these minerals. And so I'm sure you've heard of the low carb or the keto flu. And this is usually a now they're starting to recognize this as attributed to this mineral imbalance or this electrolyte imbalance. So we're releasing all this sodium and only you only have to have one of the electrolytes out of balance at one of the electrolytes to be low, and that throws them all out of balance. So the one that we tend to pee out is sodium. So you actually need to make sure you're getting enough salt. So I definitely recommend as people are coming off the sugar, lots of pickles, olives, and definitely if you have an electrolyte mix that you like, you know start including that are just adding salt to your water. And you can tell when you need salt because you crave it and it needs No often people are like, Oh, I don't I don't need salt. I don't use salt. I don't salt my food, but theirs are addicted to potato chips. And yeah, so your body wants your salt in this very narrow places balance. And so if you are craving salt you need salt in once you have enough things will start to taste too salty. Yeah. So if you were drinking on the electrolyte drink and you love it, and then one day, you're just like, this is like seawater, you're fine. You don't need any more salt. Roy Barker 10:30 And that's funny say that because Pringles, you know, that's not a chip of choice. But whenever I start craving Pringles, it's just almost like, you could just lick the salt. Yeah. Terry 10:42 Absolutely, I try to get the lights. Amy 10:46 I guess not as good. Roy Barker 10:49 So in the beginning of this, the, for some of us that have troubles, it would just be probably more like the inline with the keto, just more protein. But the veggies you have to be very selective. And, you know, that's one place where we kind of stumble a little bit because, you know, we, you know, not all vegetables are created equal. And so I guess what are the recommended? Or how do we know, which are the ones that will convert to saw a convert to the sugar? Amy 11:23 more rapidly? Yeah. So So I love that you said so with this. So if you're in this type two or pre diabetic place, you're sort of leaning more than that keto. So I do think of and I may have said this earlier in the previous conversation, but I do think of sort of dietary principles on this spectrum. And this helps me because when I meet with a client, and we look at where they are, where their health is, and where what their health goals are, you know, health body, it can help me to, you know, determine probably where they're where they should start on that spectrum. So if somebody is coming to me, and they're pre diabetic, or type two diabetic, I am definitely going to start them over here with the keto low carb, because we just have to manage the sugar out of the gate. And so yes, so typically, my recommendation is non starchy vegetables, right? Easy to say, you sit there and go great. What does that mean? So think of crunchy vegetables, think of things you would put in a salad, things that grow above ground, except corn, corns, a starch. So all those sort of above ground vegetables, all your leafy greens, your peppers, and cucumbers, green beans, tomatoes, I include onions, even though they grow below ground, because they're usually a condiment. And so carrots grow, then beets grow underground. But again, if you're using them as a condiment, you can do that. But if you want to just keep things simple, just above ground vegetables, okay? Yeah, and you can't go wrong. You can even you can't you don't have to worry about measuring or weighing leafy greens, just as much as you can possibly talk. Roy Barker 13:06 above ground is good. That's where you want to go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Amy 13:10 unrooted Yeah, so not not the rooted vegetables. The other place you can get it can be a little squishy is with with squash. Squash is above ground. But I think we all know, there are certain squashes that when you roast them, they taste like candy. So the more they taste like candy, the more sugar is in there. So these are just, if you're trying to be real careful and keep your carbs really low, then my recommendation is to avoid this squash at first. Maybe that's a tier two. That's one of the first things you bring back before the root vegetables. And but it's so interesting because it to me the Wow. So I've shifted a lot. So I was always I've always been low carb. And I've always been very pro keto. And I still am for the right people. But I really come to this place now where once somebody is healthy, so their health is coming back into line. Now they have body goals. So maybe they want more energy, they want to lose some weight, you know, something, maybe you're getting older and you're like, Okay, I want to get better as I get older. So I want to age well, I need more strength, I need more lean muscle I you know. And then I start to look at this idea of total, the least amount of energy, that's usually my dog that's causing I kick them out so they just scratch on the door. And so some people feel more full, if they have more fats, and other people feel more full if there's more carbohydrates. So I like to say we're prioritizing protein. Protein is the target. Okay, and then you have your fats and your carbohydrates. On a seesaw. So if you're having a higher fat day, you're gonna have a lower carb day. If you want to have a higher carb day, maybe you're like, you know what, we just have to have sweet potatoes for dinner. And I want roasted beets in my salad. And so again, I'm talking about real whole food, carbohydrates, not pop tarts. And you know, maybe you're having a higher carb day. And so now your fats are going to be lower. So first of all, in nature, your higher fat foods are typically low carb, and your higher carb foods. In nature, whole real foods are low fat. So squashes low fat, sweet potatoes are low fat beats or low fat. And so if you just eat the real food, you're gonna just that seesaw will move naturally. Okay, it's when we have that sweet potato, or that baked potato, and we throw the sour cream and cheese and everything on there. And now we have fats and carbs together. And this is where sort of the problem arises. And so with clients at this point, once they're sort of healthy and trying to manage their body composition, I'm going to prioritize the protein and then we're going to play around and see where they feel the best. You know, maybe you need more carbs, maybe you need more protein. And if it like, if they're anything like me, I switched from day to day, Terry 16:23 right? Yeah. So Well, I'd be going back, going back to the squash, my squash never tastes like sugar. I mean, I can do them any which way Roy will eat them. He'll eat anything I cook, which is awesome. But But squash is not one of his favorite things. Now, I did do some spaghetti squash the other day and did kind of like a roasted chicken casserole. Yeah, like non dairy cream cheese with it. Yeah. And, you know, some diced tomatoes and green chilies. And it was really good. It tastes really good. Yes. That's what we do we do meatballs for spaghetti squash. That's our meatball dinner. Yeah. I mean, I love the spaghetti squash and Roy, he likes it too. Roy Barker 17:14 Yeah. So the other question sorry, as it go, unruly. what how much protein is a target, because I know, there's always controversy about if you start eating too much, it could be converted back to sugar as well or glucose. So Amy 17:37 this is the whole idea that protein will turn into the chocolate cake and that gluconeogenesis. And I am a believer that gluconeogenesis is demand driven, not supply driven. So I am a high protein, I push high protein. And I obviously I'm not a researcher, I follow and read protein researchers. And I'm you know, kind of learning and moving through that on my own and then with my clients. And one of the things that I have discovered over the years is that it appears as we age, we need a lot more protein than we did when we were younger. So somebody at 55 needs less more protein than somebody who's 25 doesn't mean the person that's 25 can eat God's or protein, they can and they should. But at 55, I don't have the hormones that that 25 year old has to create this muscle protein synthesis. So I am without a certain bolus of protein, I'm not managing my lean muscle mass. Well, which is exactly what I do want to do, as I'm aging, I need to maintain if not grow that lean muscle because it's our organ of longevity. So for somebody my age, so 55, let's say and the older you get, then the more protein but the recommendation that I've seen for me is about 150 grams, or even more per day. And so what I sort of shoot for with my clients is a minimum of 90 grams of protein a day. That's like the bare minimum and I say 90 grams for a reason. And I like three, two to three meals a day without snacking, ideally. And if you're going to eat, then you want that bolus of protein to be about 30 grams. So if you eat three meals a day, that's going to give you 90 grams of protein bare minimum. But ideally you want more than that, so that you can kind of you know, get get that protein up and it's not that hard. Once you get once you wrap your head around it. It's not that hard to eat 45 to 60 grams in a meal. And so you can really get that protein up it's not that hard. Roy Barker 19:57 Yeah, cuz I've I've seen anywhere from, you know, like, as low as 75, you know, 150 to some even up to 180. So, that's even higher than that. Yeah, even. Yeah, cuz there anyway, just a lot of stuff out there. So that's good. You know, Amy 20:17 one rule of thumb that I read and I really liked was your ideal body weight in grams of protein. So if you're somebody who wants to weigh 130 pounds, then shoot for a minimum of 130 pounds of grams of protein. So that kind of taste makes it a little easier, because a lot of times you see those equations that it's like this many, you know, this many grams of protein per kilogram of lean body weight and na and, and not everyone's doing math, and it's very confusing. So think about your ideal body weight, and that amount that that's your minimum for your protein in grams. Roy Barker 20:55 Well, that makes it easy. Yeah, cuz, yeah, lets me run on where I need to, or where I want to, because that's one thing. You know, I'm not anti keto, I just hear that staying on it long term, can have consequences as well. But I think for somebody like me, that's been struggling and trying to put veggies in and, you know, even looking at doing more plant based, I think, you know, now I'm back to the thinking that we just need to drop back to this, try to, you know, ramp up the proteins, take all the take everything out, and then start adding back. If I can ever get to know where I really need want to be on glucose ratings, then just start adding back and see what really affects those, you know, when we start different vegetables. Amy 21:48 Yes, and it's one of the other things or advantages to prioritizing your protein is you're gonna end up crowding out a lot of those other foods simply because you won't be as hungry, and the protein will fill you up. So you do end up crowding out a lot of the other food so I You're so you're you're leaning sort of more going thinking more plant based. And it's so funny, because I will actually go carnivore, especially with clients who have gut issues. I always, you know, we'll go carnivore, just like clear everything out and let's just heal the gut, then you can start reintroducing and see what works, but that going carnivora often calm all that inflammation down. It's so interesting. Terry 22:30 Oh, wow. That one? Yeah. Yeah, Roy Barker 22:34 that's, that's what? No, that's good. Because, you know, we've been struggling with the vegetables just because it's hard to know what you can look at. I don't know, there's some way we could look at them and see what we thought they might do. But there are some that have been good, you know, healthy for me, that tended not to be so. Amy 22:55 Right. It's very different for every single person, what works for Terry may not work for you, and vice versa. It's just you have to know what's gonna, what makes you feel good? Roy Barker 23:05 Well, that's good information to have. Yeah, I appreciate that very much. And I think, you know, the listeners should get a lot of benefit from that. There's just so much information out there about what to do and when to do it. But like myself, I've just been having more and more difficulty controlling it. And COVID hasn't helped less exercise probably put on a few extra pounds that I didn't need. So too close to the kitchen to say, Amy 23:33 you know, I'll be honest with you, this is what I do for a living. And I woke up this morning. And I didn't even want to get out from under the covers, I just everything right now just feel so heavy. And it just makes everything so hard. And I felt like you know, I made it through 2020. And I did a good job. And I, you know, went in positive and I'm like, I'm going to come out better. And now we're having sort of this relapse. It's this this son, you know, analogy of that false summit. You know, we're there, we did it, and then you're just like, oh, you haven't, and it just is so crushing. And I'm just in that just like everyone else. I'm at that place where I just, um, like, I just don't think I can keep doing it. It's just so hard to keep doing the right thing all the time. Terry 24:19 It really is. It is brutal. And when you fall off, you know, you have a couple of days where you're like, I'm just not going to. I did great. I'm going to celebrate today. I did great the last couple of days eating my celebrate today. And then it's like one more day. Oh, it's the weekend. Our stock start Monday. Well, you know, we're having a hard time getting back into that starting date. Amy 24:46 So that is that is key, right? Is that okay? I fell off or I you know, I didn't do make the best choices, and that's fine. The problem is you don't want to get stuck there. You need to like step back up. Get back over it start moving again. fallen off and you know, it's okay, but just don't get stuck there. And that's that's the trap. And whatever everybody's gonna have different ways of mentally kind of challenging themselves to move beyond that. And then you're so lucky you have each other and you can, you know, motivate and try to encourage. That's it's important. It's right now especially. Roy Barker 25:25 Yeah, I think that mental, the mental part of it is because no, we like to keep up on what's going on in the world. But it's unfortunate. It's just not not good news in the know, especially with this COVID it's now what we're seeing here is a lot of just saw a friend of mine that I went to high school with posted something about his granddaughter's whole sixth grade class has been quarantined out of an elementary school. So let's The first one was tough. It was affecting older people. Now this one seems to be different than it affects younger, but, you know, it's like, like you said, When are we gonna? When are we gonna feel like we're gonna handle this and they're gonna be live? Yeah, I just don't feel like I can live right now. And it's getting the best to me. Yeah, the scary part is is like, is this? Is this the new normal? Or? Maybe if it's, you know, is that something not Amy 26:23 accept this as a new normal? I, you know, Rory, I did have a question for both of you. Are you guys doing any intermittent fasting? Or do you? Terry 26:34 Do you do any of that? I was gonna bring that up to you. We had when we started doing plant based, we, we started intermittent fasting, where we would eat at noon, and would eat at 7pm and then not eat again until noon the next day. And we kept that up for a good while didn't How about how long do you think it's okay, you felt okay. until noon? Well, yes, I think up until I think about a week of it, I was kind of kind of done, Roy Barker 27:10 I think we went for about a month or six weeks. But breakfast is my meal, the one that I enjoyed the most. And I just part of it was I just missed the meal. And then, but what I think we would call intermittent fasting, it may not be long enough, but if we could do like from 6pm, six, or 7pm to seven or 8am, you know, still like a 12 hours, I don't know if that's long enough to be considered intermittent fasting, but that would be optimal for us is just to be able to do that. And because that's my worst part is actually at nine or 10 o'clock at night. So that would cure a lot of things for us, you know? Amy 27:53 Well, so I always look at 12 an hour, 12 hour fast as your if that's like, everybody needs to get to a 12 hour fast. And so you have to have that equal one to one ratio of feasting to fasting and so 12 hours overnight is going to give you that. And that's an I have a lot of clients who can't even to can't start there, they can do 910 hours. So we work our way to 12 hours. And then once you get to 12 hours, and that starts feeling really good, then maybe we do 12 and a half hours, and ultimately try to move it to 14 hours. And then if you really want to go for it, you can go to 16 hours. So more of an eating window than necessarily this idea of intermittent fasting. So for somebody like you who likes breakfast, well, maybe that's when you have your eating window, you have an earlier eating window in the day, and then you just end it earlier. So instead of, you know having dinner, maybe you eat your last meal at 5pm or 4pm or something like that you do your window that way. And I not going to do the math super fast in my head, but whatever would work out for maybe say an eight hour eating window from when you start and then stop. Okay. Yeah, so that's an that's another way to kind of play with it. Or if you want us to do a 10 hour eating window that then you're looking at a 14 hour fast. So you figure out Oh, I do like to eat earlier in the day. So I'm going to have my eating window earlier. So a lot of people are like, well, I'm going to eat at noon, and then I'm going to stretch it till you know, whatever dinnertime. A lot of people do it that way. But I come across a lot of people who are just like I feel better if I eat earlier. So I want to have that morning or that early meal. And you just shift to what works for you. And I asked you about the plant base because one of the things I find with clients and I always say no forcing a fast, I want it to happen naturally. And so when we are managing their sugars, so that they're you know, they're getting to that ability to use body fat for fuel, that's when they start to fast naturally, because now their body has plenty of fuel. It's not asking them to feed them and so their appetite really suppresses You do still get you still, your body will still ask you to feed it because it needs nutrients, it needs you to give it food, it needs those nutrients. But as far as that, you know, stored fuel, it's good tons of fuel. So you don't end up having those hangry these you don't like have that swing where you're like, I feel great, or I feel horrible. I feel great. I feel horrible. And so it makes it a lot easier. And again, if you start to prioritize that protein, you may find that you can do a little bit of a longer window. And but you should just let it happen. Don't force it. Just let it happen. Roy Barker 30:32 Okay, yeah, cuz I was just thinking, if I do a 10 hour, that would be from eight to six, it'd be optimal. Now it's still given well, but really, you're saying you want to get to a 16 is? Well, Amy 30:48 I think 14 is awesome. I do I think 14 is great. And if I guess the point is 14 becomes something that all of a sudden you realize, oh my gosh, I went 16 hours today. Fantastic. But you know what? Go with your 14, your 10 hour eating window, and then just let nature take its course. And if that ends up sometimes being longer? Great. Okay, well, we Roy Barker 31:09 may try that, because that's something we did we know we just talked about, we've talked about shifting it. But really, that's what we would normally want to do anyway is you know, have that last meal around six. Yeah, not eat again till breakfast that cuts all my evening snacks out. Terry 31:26 And, and so and Amy 31:28 then you're also creating your own personal food policy, which is, I do not eat after 6pm. So instead of just being like, oh, maybe she has something in front of the TV, you're like, Oh, no, I don't eat after 6pm. It's that simple. It's really, it's one of those funny things. When you create a food policy for yourself, you think I do this, not this, it's that it's cut and dry. It's black and white. And boom, I recently did my had a new food policy that I put in place, which was I do not eat in front of the television. And it's so funny, I, I put up a video on what not to do. Because I put my food policy in place, I don't eat in front of television, this is going amazingly well for like a week. And then I started to get very antsy about it. And I started to feel not good about it. I'm like, I just can't do this. Like it's too hard. And I'm like, what is happening. And I realized in my brain, my simple, I do not eat in front of the television had morphed into no electronics, while I'm eating, no distractions, I have to focus on my food. And it just became overwhelming. And way too much. Because I like to read Yahoo News when I'm eating my lunch. And all of a sudden that was off the table. And then I realized that is not off the table. That is not my policy. It is only that I do not eat in front of the television. And then all of a sudden, it became easy again, I'm like, I can do that. You know, but all of a sudden morphing it into this thing where I had to be mindful all the time when I was eating and no, you know, it's just like, Ah, you know, I mean, at some point, I might get to that place from like, Okay, I'm not going to read Yahoo News when I eat my lunch. But that is not this time. I am not there. Terry 33:08 I see. I mean, that's exactly what what we do is we just like restrict, restrict everything to the letter, and then we start adding things like exactly like that too much. Amy 33:20 Yeah, we can have to get really good at that one thing. So it becomes this mindless action, like I don't to the point where you so what we're trying to do is become less mindful. We want to create these mindless habits that actually propel us in a positive direction instead of mindless habits that are totally working against us, like eating in front of the television. I must get more to eat because it's fun. I'm being entertained in multiple ways. Now, you know, so now when I just say no, I'm not eating in front of the TV, I just cut out all the extraneous food calories that I don't need. was so easy. Just a little tiny tweak. Okay. Oh, Roy Barker 34:02 yeah, cuz that's always been my you know, for years that's been my downfall is that nine or 10? o'clock? hunger and, you know, sad to admit that there'd be times if I didn't even have something in the house. I'd leave it nine or 10 o'clock to go get it then. Anyway, just Amy 34:19 better to do that though. It's actually better if you have to leave the house and go get it than to have it in the house. That's, you know, cuz you will, you will do that, but probably less often. If it was in the house, you need always do it. Right. Oh, oh, yeah, the food policy stuff. There's, like over eating that's my thing. Like I eat the right food, but I definitely can eat a lot of it. So there's a lot of food policies you can put in place to just help you manage just that one simple thing like, Oh, I don't eat in the car. No food in the car. Oh, I don't eat at my desk. No food at your desk, you know, simple little. Oh, here's one for parents. I do not eat off my children's plate. Oh, is it There, that's the only thing you're going to change. You can have what they're having, but you have to put it on your own plate. That's, Terry 35:06 that's a good one. That's a really good one. Because that was always my excuse. And that's why I ballooned up. Many y'all do it gives you permission. Oh, yeah, I think you want that, that, you know, help them make their decision on what they want to eat. So you can finish it, because they're not gonna like it. Amy 35:23 How many times you nibble off their plate? And you don't even realize? 35:28 It's what's Yeah. Roy Barker 35:31 Well, Amy, thank you so much. For giving up your time, it's been a great talk in, you kind of inspired me to change some things around and see what that's gonna do. So I'm great. Yes. I'm so glad it was really fun talking with both of you, as well. So tell us what is a habit or a tool, something that you use on a daily basis that you feel adds a lot of value to your life? Amy 36:00 I people are gonna hate this, I like to track my food. I like to track my food, I like to Well, I like numbers. I like data. And while I'm prioritizing my protein, I want to I want to hit my proteins. So I like to look and watch and see Did I hit my proteins is Was it a higher carb day or higher fat day? How did I manage that. So I use carb manager calm as my tracker. And the best thing that I can do is I can get up in the morning and I can put my whole day in my tracker. So I've already outlined everything that I'm going to eat, including snacks, not that I snack, but maybe I want to snack that day, I don't know. So I'm going to include some snacks just in case and they're still going to work, they're still going to my numbers are going to work for me, it's all going to work out even if I do decide to eat those snacks. So that's one of the things that I do to kind of keep track of what's going on, especially right now. Because as I mentioned earlier, I'm having a really hard time staying positive and just doing all the right things. You know, I'm just like, oh, so for me to like, at least stay on track that way. So I can at least see what I'm eating. And and then even throwing the things in there that maybe aren't the best. I got to put them on my tracker. And then I can actually see Well, what does that mean, if I eat? I don't know, Haagen dazs Mini cup. What does that look like in my tracker? doesn't look good. But you know, it's there. So. Terry 37:28 Right. Well, and that positivity is really aware with Yeah, I mean, that's hard to find right now, you know, just on top of the regular things that you're trying to do? Well, and everything else. Roy Barker 37:40 And I think it's important, you know, also about that is to be honest with yourself. And because I've done it before, you know, you keep track of all the good stuff, but the bad stuff. It's like a I'm not poor. But I think what we could do is we can see at the end of the week or the month, we can look at our results and say, Well, this is I can see exactly why because I had to hogging dos bars. Right, right. That's why I didn't get much, much traction this week. So Amy 38:08 I read this thing, probably 10 years ago, and it said, so yeah, you don't have to write it down. But your body knows exactly what you ate. So you might as well write it down tricking anybody. And it's To me, it's kind of a game, like I'll get in the morning, I'll be like, okay, I want to hit my proteins. And I'm definitely feeling like I'm on an apple today. And we have some, you know, cooked red potatoes that we they're so good. And you know, so it's going to be a higher carb day for me. So I'll look at my, what I'm planning to eat. And then I'll look at my numbers. And I'll be like, okay, so I need to tweak some stuff here. Because it's so then I'll play around and see what I what I need to do to actually get the numbers that I want. So for me in the morning, it's just like this little numbers game that I'll play with myself. Right? keep it interesting. Roy Barker 38:58 All right, well, Amy, tell people who do you like to work with? How that how you can help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you. Amy 39:07 So I often am finding myself working with women, typically 50 and older, who are at this great place in life. I refer to it as our second childhood. And we get to call the shots. But they don't feel great. So they're like, okay, I want I want this I want to feel amazing, I want to be myself, but you know, it's all about me now it's my time. So we you know, that's what I'm working with. And it's I also work with men, but more often than not women are the ones who come to me and sometimes they don't have a weight loss goal. They just want to feel better. And they want to make sure that they're doing the right things so that they maintain their bone health and their lean muscle mass and you know, that kind of stuff. And but you just my website if you go to it's called thesimplicityofwellness.com and actually, it's soon super simple if you go to my website, there's only one thing you can do. And it's a start here button and it just takes you into my free mini course. And, and so that's kind of what's going on there right now. Roy Barker 40:12 Okay. Oh, great. And we'll include that in the show notes as well. Yeah. Alright. Well, thank you again, Amy. We appreciate all the great information and that's going to do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course, I am your host, Roy Terry 40:24 Terry. Roy Barker 40:25 You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify for not a one that you listen to. Please let me know I'd be glad to add it to make it easier for you to listen to us. We're also not all the major social media platforms we probably tend to hang out on Instagram. Love for you to reach out and interact with the third there and we have video of this interview will go up when an episode goes live. So check us out on our YouTube channel. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. www.thesimplicityofwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com
Is The U.S. Healthcare System Failing Due to Greed, Ignorance, or Arrogance? Featuring Dr. Robert Yoho What's wrong with America's healthcare system? We are the richest most developed country in the world and we refuse to take care of our own. Even if you have decent insurance you have to fight for everything you get. Forget about those uninsured for whatever reason. We can and should be committed to doing much better. Let's start demanding more. Now!!! About Dr. Robert I was born in l953 in Richmond, Virginia, and grew up in Kent, Ohio, (known for the Kent State riots during the Vietnam war), was an Eagle Scout, and a Judo wrestler. I spent four years at Oberlin College and went to Small College National Championships in Varsity Wrestling my senior year. Then, was accepted at one of the finest medical schools in the United States, Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. At 22 years old, one year into my medical education, I decided that I needed to “find myself” and took a two-year sabbatical. After starting and managing a tree surgery business, I went to Wyoming to work on oil drilling rigs, and then spent the next year traveling to rock climbing areas. I became a master climber and traveled to cliffs in twelve states. Additionally, I published articles in climbing magazines and made “first ascents” at Devil's Tower, Wyoming, and Joshua Tree, California. I made an early ascent of “The Naked Edge,” a classic climb near Denver, and climbed the Long's Peak Diamond. As recently as the mid-1980s, I climbed such difficult classics as Astroman, the west face of El Capitan, and the Crucifix in Yosemite, free climbing up to a mid-“5.12” difficulty level. I climbed the Regular Northwest Face of Half Dome in 18 hours in 2004 and the Nose route on El Capitan in less than 24 hours in 2005. After returning to medical school in l978, I found that bodybuilding complemented my studies. With the added responsibility of specialty training and professional pressures, I had less opportunity for athletics in the past decade. However, I ran 14 triathlons in the late '80s and early '90s and made time for some Kempo Karate (though injuries sidelined me). I have practiced Astanga (flow) Yoga and trained with the legendary 70-year-old master Yogi, Frank White, at the “Center For Yoga” in Hollywood. More recently, I practiced Bikram Yoga and concluded, “it's way hot in there.” (105 to 115 degrees F). I currently practices Baptiste Yoga every day. I married a wonderful woman from Trinidad and had three kids. My son Alan became an All American cross country star in high school, and he and his twin Sarah graduated from Brown University. He now works at Google and Sarah at Nasdaq. Hannah, their older sister, managed a group at the Four Seasons Resorts by the time she was 24. Curriculum Vitae: cosmetic surgery career (now retired) DATE OF BIRTH October 3, 1953 INTERESTS Children, weight lifting, rock climbing, psychology, writing, kayak, Ashtanga and Bikram yoga. Bookworm: Reading averages 3 new books a week. Climbed El Capitan 4 x, Half Dome, Sentinel, Astroman (5.11c), Crucifix (5.12b) in Yosemite. New routes: a grade 5 in Zion and El Matador (5.11) at Devil's Tower, others at Joshua Tree. Climbed regular route on Half Dome in 17 hours 2004. EDUCATION 1971-1975 : Oberlin College Oberlin, Ohio 1975-1981: Case Western Reserve Univ. 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See also the first chapter of Butchered by Healthcare for the circumstances, included on this website under “Writing.” 1992-2019: Cosmetic surgery practice, Pasadena, Visalia, and Oxnard, California. Liposuction, breast implantation specializing in through the umbilicus (belly button), laser blepharoplasty, face-lifts, facial implants, laser resurfacing, vein treatments, hair transplantation. Operated medical hyperbaric chamber between 1996 and 2000. 1987-1994: General practice in Pasadena, California. 1984-1987: Employed by the Huntington Memorial Hospital Emergency Medicine Group, SPECIAL EXPERTISE One of the most extensive experiences in the United States with tumescent liposuction and Brazilian butt lift with fat. Some of our liposuction supply vendors say we are their largest account internationally for several years. Trans-umbilical breast augmentation is a surgery that many try, but few become proficient. Thousands performed. 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Robert Yoho Website – Hormone Secrets and Butchered by Healthcare www.robertyohoauthor.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Is The U.S. Healthcare System Failing Due to Greed, Ignorance? Featuring Dr. Robert Yoho Wed, 7/21 1:13PM • 1:08:42 SUMMARY KEYWORDS drug, people, doctors, studies, book, good, called, money, influence, fda, problem, patient, alzheimer, industry, patent, hormone, healthcare, crazy, years, standards SPEAKERS Dr. Robert, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 One. Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. I'm your host Roy. Terry 00:08 I'm Terry Roy Barker 00:08 Of course we are the podcast journaling chronicling our journey through this wellness process. You know, in the beginning, we talked a lot about diet, not a necessarily a diet, but you know what we eat, what, what we're trying to cut down on and be more healthy eating. We also talk a lot about exercise getting out and moving. And we talk about mindset as well. That has kind of been the point it's led us to a lot of people know what they should be doing, trying to get in the right mindset to make the change, and then also to make it sustainable. That seems to be the difficulty and the challenge for us. But anyway, we also bring guests on from time to time experts in the field today is no different. We are very lucky to have Robert Yoho with us and I'm gonna let Terry introduce him. Terry 00:55 Now. Robert Yoho is 67 years old. He has spent three decades as a cosmetic surgeon after a career as an emergency physician. His generalist training gives him perspective and allows him to avoid favoring any medical specialty. He's had little deal dealings with hospitals, Big Pharma or insurance companies before he wrote his his book Butchered by Healthcare. No one has ever considered him a whale prescriber or device device implanter he retired from the medical practice in 19. Excuse me, 2019 1999. Dr. Yoho, thank you so much for being on the show. We're so happy to have you as a guest. Dr. Robert 01:38 Thanks, Terry. Well, let me just go over my sequence which led to my interest in this field. Yeah, I have all things. I did a career in cosmetic surgery, doing breast dog breast implants, liposuction, you know, facial, beautification, all that stuff. And I had two people in six months die in my offices. Oh, wow. And so that was quite a timeframe, introspection, and one of them I wasn't even operating on but it still was a heck of a shock. And, you know, cosmetic surgeons or plastic surgeons usually have one fatality in surgery during their careers. And I'd had to in a very short sequence, so I started thinking and reading and I started uncovering what I later became started to think of as medical corruption. And so the basic, you know, I'm listening to your guys podcasts. And I see, it's an interesting process, because you have not had chronic diseases, you haven't had to worry about your health, you're, you're pulling your way through this material and thinking you're smelling a rat somewhere, that there's some. And I can tell you, after four years of studying this material, there's a lot wrong. And the bottom line is that we spend twice what the other developed countries spend per person, twice what Japan, Great Britain, France, and so on, and Canada spends per person. In other words, we spent nearly 20% of our gross domestic product on health care, right? And twice as much per person. And the worst part is we get a bad product, okay? In other words, aren't we have earlier infant mortality. And it's not an academic controversy 50%, fully 50% of what we do, either doesn't work or actually is harmful. And there's many references for that you can look at my book butchered by healthcare to get more detail. But, but it doesn't work. Now, the simple bottom line for how this all developed is we raise money out of the sky, on our health care providers and the healthcare industry. We gave them our insurance money, we gave them our federal Medicare money. And it was when free money happens, there's a lot of people come around to scoop it up. And these are entrepreneurs, you know, or possibly criminals, you know, that that got into this thing. Now, I'm not saying it's all bad, I don't want to make that message. You know, half of it works, you know, and a half as important and we have new therapies for certain things that are profoundly effective. But and the way these people have influenced our prescribing and the medical devices, and the insurance industry, is essentially through bribery. Now bribery is a technical term, that term means something in legal jargon, so I really shouldn't use that term, but it's anytime money changes hands, the well is poisoned. And as we You see, you'll see when we go through these various medic medical specialty, there's a lot of money changing hands between industry and the rest of of the medical service providers. I mean, it's a phenomenal thing. And so the important point, which you can read, if you start looking at influence theory in psychology, is that any amount of money changing hands profoundly affects the person's behavior, even taking a woman out to dinner and serving her a nice meal, you can get benefits that are far beyond the the cost of that meal. You know, that's a simple thing that drug reps come into their offices feed us food. And we think it doesn't influence our behavior, but it does. And it's a terrible thing. So that's the basic setup of medical care worldwide, but particularly in America. And I'm, before I let you guys start the questions, I'm just going to tell you the three central insights I had during my study of this, and I didn't learn this right away. But the first one I've already mentioned, and that's the updated Golden Rule. And that is, those are the gold make the rules, right? That's, and the second is, science is being used to obscure the truth. Okay. So if you don't understand it ROI, that doesn't mean you're a dummy. What that means is somebody is BSE, you know, because you're just as smart. As a storyteller, you're smart as the average physician. And sometimes, if you learn too much detail, that actually obscures the truth, because you don't need to be an academic to judge ethics. The last thing is, and this is the important one, if there's controversy about something, that doesn't mean that there's controversy, that means that it doesn't freaking work. Right? If if there's controversy, confusion, or contradictory evidence, don't fall into the trap of believing reasonable people disagree? Because you know, and I know, they've studied hundreds, if not 1000s of patients to produce the controversy. So forget about it, it doesn't work. So you read a study that says, we don't know for sure they got these barely statistically significant figures or something like that, it means it doesn't work. So that's a good rule of thumb. I mean, I can't state that absolutely. Blanket fashion. But it, it is a good place to start. So ask me anything you want, I can develop the medical specialties or the insurance industry or, you know, a lot of other areas where we've essentially Roy Barker 07:31 gone off the rails and say, Man, I got a I got a flat. But let's start out with your first concept. The, you know, the golden rule the people with the money, Mike the rule, because there's not only a lot of influence between the the pharmaceuticals and the doctors, that I would suspect with lobbyists and everything else, there's a lot with our lawmakers as well. Dr. Robert 07:54 Yeah, the lobby for healthcare is far bigger than oil and gas and banking combined is, is monstrous. pharma has a $1.3 trillion gross worldwide, and it's something is well over half the profits occur in the United States and 40% of the sales, it might be 70 or 80% of the profits. So these guys have money to burn. Roy Barker 08:19 One of the things that just just now thought of this when we were when you were doing your intro is is there a way to track the if I'm a drug maker cannot track the the doctors that are prescribing as though Dr. Robert 08:33 they track a track exactly who it is. And I here's how they do it. They go to the pharmacy and they get the prescriber number, and then they go to the AMA, and the AMA sells them. The doctors name that associates with a prescriber number the AMA is a very economic organization. They shouldn't be doing this in my opinion. Yeah. Roy Barker 08:55 Yeah. Because it's good to Terry 08:56 know I was gonna say it's backlinks, it's like SEO, you know, computerized everything. It's all I don't even know where I was going with that, because I have so many things running through my head, I can't even form a good one. Dr. Robert 09:12 Let me give you a stunning example of how money pollutes I mean this, this one is going to be hard for you guys to believe. But oncology is one of the most heavily influenced or, you know, cancer therapy. The cancer doctors is one of the most heavily influenced specialties and the reason is, well over half of their incomes come from retailing cancer drugs, they get about 25% and the average cancer drug costs $100,000 a year. So these guys have these chairs, right the cancer chemotherapy chairs, the more chairs they have and the more patients they have, the more they can bill and they clip 25% off the top of the drugs price. Now you think this is terrible, but it's gets worse. It gets worse. This would be If a doctor sold them the drug, so another doctor, the drug, it would be called camping. It's a federal crime, they put both of them in jail. But the drug companies are allowed to do this because of some sort of exception. Now it gets even worse, they are rewarded, they are rewarded by the milligram. In other words, larger doses make more money for them. So they are incentivized to prescribe very high doses of whatever the most expensive thing is. Now, I mean, doctors have integrity, we're trained to have ethics in a way that no other industry is. And you know, we're pretty good bunch. But I just want to say that there's no way anyone can get around a financial incentive, even a small one. And these guys well over half of their income, on average comes from far from sales of these drugs that they deliver in the office. Some of the other specialties, like the guys doing the testosterone blockers like Lupron to the best of my knowledge, they get, you know, the shot costs $10,000 or whatever the heck it is, takes two minutes. The doctor gets 25% It's crazy. I mean, it's absolutely crazy. And that one that was a whole nother story. And that's it's a very damaging drug of questionable utility. According to Otis Brawley, who is the head of the American Cancer Society. Until recently, he thinks that it does more harm than good on average, because the drug actually, you know, the, the prostate cancer is cut by the fatalities are cut by a third, by using that drug. It sounds great, right? But the drug causes so many problems, the overall fatalities probably go up. I mean, it's just crazy. And you know, it's kind of not joke jokingly, but not jokingly, we listen to, especially during the evening news when we listen to these commercials, and they come out with the drug that helps you with this. And then they've got 10 minutes worth of countries in the world ROI that allow that, yeah, that's direct to consumer advertising. It's an outrage, it got slowly slanted into our system over a period of five to 10 years, when they finally figured out there were no direct laws against it. And it's a complicated political battle, but they these pharmaceutical companies, is very effective is very effective, even though you're not sure what the hell it is, when they're talking about it on the TV. Ask your doctor, and then they go in and ask the doctors and the doctors are so busy. What are they going to do a lot of times they just write for the drug? Yeah, Roy Barker 12:30 yeah. Well, nothing I was gonna say is they have like 10 minutes worth of but the side effects that this may cause, I mean, in some of the side effects that they list, it's like, wow, I would rather have whatever they're trying to treat is not near as harmful as all these potential side effects that they have. It's crazy. The studies are frequently Dr. Robert 12:51 obscure the side effects and they measure, they, they measure, they're looking under the money tree, and not the tree of truth. You know what I mean? So, Ben Goldacre wrote a book about the frauds involved in pharmaceutical and device studies. And there are there are, I mean, you cannot imagine what these guys do. They they mess with the statistics, they conceal studies that don't. Right, and they cherry pick their results in various ways. They change people and put them in the wrong group. So it looks like there are fewer fatalities. I mean, the HPV vaccine, you've heard of that it's a vaccine for venereal warts that supposedly affects cervical cancer. Well, they conceal 50% of the studies. And in my view, the best commentators at Cochrane you know, the Cochrane Institute in Europe, which does meta analyses, they don't think it works, you know, and at least the most sophisticated ones don't think it works. I mean, it's there. They're influenced by pharma money also. So Japan abandoned the use of HPV, or at least they said it didn't work to their populace, and their inoculation rate dropped to 1% in one year. So that's the truth. They've got a public health system at least as robust as ours. And they they don't use HPV vaccine in any consequential fashion. The rest of the world still on it, pretty much. Yeah. Terry 14:26 I was gonna ask, so what's the role? No, this is open up a can I was asked, What's the role of the FDA and all of this? Dr. Robert 14:34 Okay. So the, the FDA, I have a chapter in butchered by healthcare about the FDA and the FDA is the most effective regulatory agent see in the world, but unfortunately, they are since 2003. A law was signed into effect that we could no longer negotiate prices with these. These pharma companies and Since then they've they've just bought everything and the prices have gone way up. But the the the FDA is fed or their revenues come from what's called user fees that the pharmaceutical companies pay them and well over half of their some some sources say 75% or more of their total budget of $5 billion is it comes from directly from pharma. So they regard pharmaceutical companies as clients, rather than or entities to be regulated because if they refuse a drug, sometimes they can't make their own payroll. Now, you got to realize the the size of these entities they have to regulate, they have $5 billion, which sounds like a lot of money. But pharma is 1.3 trillion worldwide, 40% in the US, and the FDA doesn't have a prayer of watching all these factories in India and China. Inside the US, they inspect them once a year. And they you know, they do a little better job. But in China, they all these there are the all these stories about these FDA inspectors getting fed fake facilities and fake paperwork and room. It Catherine even wrote a book called bottle of lies, if you're interested in the FDA and, and all that stuff. It's very illuminating. And it really gives you the feeling that the generics, we were I think were 90% generics because we've been so we've been so overpriced by the patent drugs, the patent drugs are good quality, they're actually what they are. They're manufactured under strict controls, but they're so expensive. And they these guys have decided the price point of making them outrageous is the best strategy. And I guess it is they don't have to do as much and they sell all these things like, like bottled gold. And so we are buying 90% of our medications from India and China's about half and half. And these the generics often are adulterated with some in bad ingredient or they don't work as well. The long lasting generics physicians have often discovered that the long lasting generics are only they only last 12 hours instead of 36 hours. Cleveland Clinic It was so bad at Cleveland Clinic that they developed their own mini FDA and they started testing their own medications. And they they found out what worked and what didn't. In Africa and other third world less advantaged countries that don't even have an FDA. The physicians keep a small stock of the good drug, the actual patent drug to use on people who are dying, that were the other drug doesn't seem to be working. And so they have to experiment with their patients. But the FDA is a mess. I have insiders quotes from whistleblowers and so on and so forth. But, I mean, it's the best any country has it's better than the one in Europe, you know, or who are who are respected. Roy Barker 18:02 You know, also anyway. Yeah, unless it's a, you know, on the other show that we have, we've talked a little bit about the new release of the Terry 18:12 Doom, Doom, that new Alzheimer's drug. Dr. Robert 18:15 Oh, yeah, that's an outrage. Okay, so the there are about 10 of these patent Alzheimers drugs, and they cost probably a couple $1,000 a month. At a minimum, you know, they're very expensive. It might might only be $1,000 a month, what a bargain. But even the people who work with those drugs and you read their papers, they can't claim they freakin work. I mean, they, they have some small effects. But like the rest of these drug studies, they're basically half fake and half concealed. And they use contract research groups, and out of the country, and if these guys don't produce the results that they want, they never use them again, you know, so. So anyway, so Alzheimers is a special case. This is very interesting subject because it's Alzheimer's is arguably the most expensive if long term care costs are included is the most expensive disease of all, but we've got excellent, we have an excellent thing to prevent Alzheimer's, right. So in my second book, on hormones, I showed how Astra dial prevents 50 to 80% of all Alzheimers, I mean this could save billions of dollars if it was used and not concealed right and not not derided basically. Roy Barker 19:42 Yeah, well, this. I'll let Terry's speak a little more to it because she she's done the research but this new adullam it's $56,000 a year. But what they thought mine can't be what what they need, though, They found out two years from now. They found out that the committee that was assigned to assign it what our scientists study it, when they went ahead and said, okay, it's okay for sale. I think 10 of the 11 doctors that were on the panel all resigned because they had already it's it's not Terry 20:22 it was a it was a an 11 member panels, three of them resigned. And their their vote, the voting on it was there. 10 of them said no, don't release it. And then one was uncertain. And then the FDA went ahead and said, Okay, well, they manipulate it seems like to me, they manipulated the study process, or, you know, the results that they got, and and made it Roy Barker 20:48 and Okay, and then now I think there's an investigation. Yes, a lot. This Dr. Robert 20:52 is a, this is a story you'll see over and over and over. And I've got stories like that all through my book, The tragedy of this whole thing, as you guys are finding out, you if you have a chronic disease, and Roy has a problem here. I mean, I think your problems simple compared to someone with cancer, but and you know, the the, the variety of you anyway, so but the tragedy is that you almost need physician level expertise to decipher what the heck to do next, and ever you need and you've got you got your woman by your side there who can help? Yeah, Roy Barker 21:28 yeah. Well, and that's the thing to, you know, kind of get back to more general terms is, I guess what I see are concerned about is, instead of doctors taking the time to find out what is this underlying issue, they would rather prescribe to treat a symptom instead of actually having a conversation. Terry 21:46 That's where they get their money is if they like give them the pharmacy, you know, give them the meds, Dr. Robert 21:53 you know, they are trapped in a in a system that where they're their actions are dictated and even these guys who work for Health Maintenance Organizations, they if they don't have prescribing habits that mimic the, quote, standard of care, which is largely dictated by Big Pharma, influenced by the standards panels, who are paid each one of the persons on the panel has huge conflict of interest paid by two or three pharma companies, for example, antidepressants and statin drugs, right? Both of those are should be thinly used, and they're the damn no depressants must be 10% of the whole country is on antidepressants, like drugs is 15% or more. But the influence is so the industry influence is so heavy, that your primary care doctor is not an independent actor anymore. He's got an individual license, he's responsible, but he operates under protocols. So they're not they're there. They're not innocent, but they're not the they're not the real problem. The problem is they're in a matrix, you know, they're a matrix of control. And the money is so huge, that these companies are getting more overt or obvious about their influence. Now, in the last year, they all sort of came out of the closet and said, do as we tell you, or else you know, that's my opinion about what happened. Roy Barker 23:20 Wow, yeah, it's unbelievable. Yeah, I was just gonna go down I was looking at the second one is the science is obscured, to hide the truth. And so I just was going to ask, you know, in your opinion, are, are these clinical trials large enough? Are they lengthy enough to actually you know, and the problem with anything is that something may be something may be doesn't come to light in the short term, but after you do it for 10 1520 years, all of a sudden, now, there's a big problem. But, again, in your opinion, are we even taking enough time to evaluate these drugs before we release them? Dr. Robert 24:04 Okay, so Roy, you're asking the right questions, and you're trying, you guys are trying to Paul your way through this mess of data, and try to figure out what the heck is going on. But if you want to read about these clinical trials and the frauds I think the easiest and most approachable book is been gold acres, bad pharma, and that's 10 years old. But the answer is that the answer is that you can hardly trust anything. Now the doctors are. We are conditioned to think that double blind placebo controlled trials are the beyond handle, but it's a garbage in garbage out situation and Geico situation. And it depends on the intentions of the people who are doing the trial. And so the answer is now, anecdotal medicine is almost better than the clinical trials and I it's almost a waste of time to look at them. Because if you go to the back of the paper and they're sponsored by the the company selling the drug, he was a gold makes the rules right. So they I mean, it's a it's a tragedy but everyone thinks they mean something. One of my friends says the whole thing has been almost garbage since 2000 is not crazy. I because the the industry is just taking control of freakin everything now. So I don't say this stuff casually. I studied it for four years, I've got 500 References In this book, nothing I say. Everything I say is derivative of authors that have come before me. I didn't do original research. I I read the stuff that was available. And I looked at the references, you know? Terry 25:52 Oh, my gosh. Shocking, isn't it dairy. It's shocking. And you don't take anything. Dr. Robert 25:59 You don't want to take anything you want to you basically. And I think you guys are on the right track with your, your keto and your your controlled fasting and your prolonged fasting. I think all that stuff, there is better evidence than anything else we have. I think that the you know, all the fat stuffs turned around want to eat animal fat and all that all those narratives about about the animal fat is being bad for you. That's all wrong. I mean, it's and it's all that's all food industry driven. And as you may recall the Food and Drug it the FDA is food and drug, right? So they spend half their money half that billion $5 billion, regulating the food industry, and they don't do a very good job there. And I've got references if you're interested in that, if you're interested in the vegan stuff. I have references for that, too. Roy Barker 26:45 Okay, yeah, I mean, that that is because we are you know, we haven't gone total vegan, we are more what we call plant based. And, you know, we we do not, we eat protein, but not it's not the focal point of the meal. Like it used to be used to you had the, you know, the big meat and a side thing of potatoes or whatever. So, you know, we've tried to flip that. But, you know, it gets back to this this thing about I have read some research, this is not my my research, but I've read a number of studies that say, you know, kind of staying with Alzheimer's is that that can be traced back to the low fat diet of the 70s and 80s. Because we need this fat for our brain to keep those receptors lubricated. And, yeah, Dr. Robert 27:31 I thought that was interesting. I listened to you. interview someone who'd given cook it on the world for three months to someone and they freakin improved, you know, so who knows? That's that's another anecdote. I have no expertise about this. Roy Barker 27:46 Yeah, that was a very, it was a very, it was a one person, but it sparked some huge longitudinal studies on that just to, you know, see if this fat intake. But yeah, there's been a lot of saying that that's what has caused this huge spike right now is what we did. And I guess that's kind of our mission to it's changed a lot on this show. But you know, part of it is, you know, I'll speak for me, I'm going into an older phone into the older age brackets sooner than I would like to. And so I need to be sharing carry good health good habits into this. I mean, you can't wait to you're 18 years old and say, Wow, I need to change some things. I mean, yeah. Dr. Robert 28:30 Well, another clue about my other book, which is the hormone book is after reviewing all the data for hormones, it's my opinion, and brace yourself. It's my opinion, that hormone supplementation over 40 or 50 years old is more important than exercise. Possibly as important as diet, you get it. So there's a lot of there's a lot of data on that a lot of a lot of studies and the standards that are promulgated are a pack of lies, you know, it's crazy. I mean, then we've got, we've got black box warnings on testosterone, estrogen and progesterone. Those three are vital, and they they can save your life and likely make you live longer. They save your alertness decrease Alzheimer's, I mean it has they have multiple good effects. Anyway, Terry 29:23 is that why is that? I mean, do you do you think that is one of the reasons that all timers and dementia has increased, so Dr. Robert 29:32 no doubt about it. There's no doubt about it. And the hormone levels are dropping, sperm counts are dropping, and we have good measurements in men about these trends over the last 20 years. We don't know why. It may be stress, it might be chemicals, it might be who knows it might be nutritional, and it might be something else but they it for any given age. Those are dropping and it's if we supplement we can prevent many, many problems. Roy Barker 30:00 So I'm sure that this is difficult to prove collusion. But do you think that there's a link in not releasing certain products because we would rather sell the drugs on? Instead of being proactive? We'd rather wait and sell the drugs on the back end. Dr. Robert 30:18 Yeah, you, you have to realize that these companies, they're not evil, and they're not good. They're only interested in money. And so they're willing, they're willing to, there are speculations that they, they would or do sell things that absolutely don't work in order to make the money and they can, they can fake the studies. In other words, you do 20 studies, and one of them is statistically significant, you know, when you that's the only one you publish. So, you know, I mean, they can sell wheat grass and a pill for God knows what. But it's, it's it's truly a sad story, because some of the things are injurious. There's a class of antidepressants or anti psychotics, because it called atypical antipsychotics. These things are well documented to shorten your life by 10 to 20 years, through diabetes and all this other stuff. However, they're getting passed out like jelly beans to people who have simple depressions. The SSRI drugs like Prozac, they cause consequential violence and suicide in a small number. And those guys are passed out very casually, they're exceedingly addictive. And, you know, it's it's basically an outrage. And the whole, the whole thing has been covered up since the start, the initial studies for Prozac showed the suicide rate, and that they paid off plaintiff after plaintiff for these things, rather than have it brought out. So, I mean, there's a lot of drugs that are just that are no good. And in fact, the whole psychiatric formulary. And I'm not, I'm not one of those, what do they call it the anti psychiatry is religion. What is that called? The Scientologists are not a Scientologist right? The but the Scientologists got this one, right. The psychiatry is drugs are the way they're used. Currently, that means indiscriminately on almost everyone, with these standards that were essentially fabricated with hand in glove with the pharmaceutical companies. It's it's an outrage, and that's the most, that's the most expensive medical specialty. And that that whole thing is a mess. I mean, it's truly a mess. And there are a lot of psychiatry is the only specially that has a massive number of people who are essentially psychiatry deniers, they don't think they should be operating at all. Every other specialty, they're doing something, you know, they're, they're making some mistakes, but psychiatry, the drugs have never been subjected to proper double blind placebo controlled trials. I mean, essentially, if you can't find any, you can't find anybody to put on a sugar pill these days, because we've got 15% of the country taking these darn drugs. Yeah, Terry 33:08 it's crazy. Yeah. Which leads to which probably has led up to a lot of the violence that's happening, you know, all these I like to see it. Dr. Robert 33:18 Yeah. The mass violence. Yeah. Everyone knows seems to be associated with with a psychiatric drug use. But of course, everybody's on the damn drugs. So Terry 33:27 who knows? How do you know? Yeah, yeah. Roy Barker 33:30 Well, you mentioned something, too, about settlements. And I, I just have mixed emotions about that. Because I feel like if, if I'm able, if I'm a $1.3 trillion industry, I'm able to offer some pretty big dollars for you to not take this to court. You know, it's like, okay, Dr. Robert 33:50 it's this important point, right. The pharma industry, in terms of their settlements to federal prosecutors, is the most criminal industry in history. They have billions of dollars in settlements every year. It's an unbelievable scene. And essentially, they are paying everyone off to leave them alone and let them continue doing what they're doing. So I mean, it's, it's Terry 34:16 about it, what and to shut up about it not saying well, you know, Dr. Robert 34:20 they, when when they make a settlement, they don't admit wrongdoing. But when you give someone $2 billion to to to stop the prosecution, I mean, it's a rich pay off, and the prosecutors can stand on the pile of loot and say they've been, they've saved the world from, you know, one of these companies, and, I mean, it's crazy. Pfizer has profit margins of 40% for the last five years. So if you know anything about industry, a 10% profit margin is a very good profit margin. It's in a competitive industry, but this is in an industry where the money falls out of the sky on healthcare, and and Pfizer Pfizer for what Have a reason, you know, which we won't speculate about. But you can speculate privately about their profit margins are very high. It's crazy. Terry 35:08 And so what? How does that? So you mentioned Pfizer, so how does that tie into the COVID? vaccination? Maybe? Okay, Dr. Robert 35:18 so, here now, I just want to make a comment about doctors and politics, right? So if you go to a doctor, and he talks politics to you, that's called a boundary violation. It's not considered cool in medical ethics, ethics term, just like, just like in polite company, we don't talk about religion, politics or net worth, right? It's not it's not considered reasonable. So this vaccine has been kicked around so much. It's being censored by YouTube and all these crazy media people. So I think we can consider the vaccine a political issue. So I'm going to make a comment which will tip you off to what I think about these modern vaccines without specifically commenting on the COVID varieties. Right. So we have we have the the two vaccines that were have been promulgated in the last 20 years now, you know, measles vaccine, and all that was before that, and they all have robust effectiveness, right. But the two are the flu vaccine. And HPV, I already told you what I thought of HPV vaccine, Japan rejected it. And they've got a very good public health service that seems less influenced by pharma. But for the flu vaccine, this costs billions and billions of dollars every year, Britain and France stockpile this thing. And their governments are influenced by the manufacturers, obviously, because that stuff doesn't work very well at all, it doesn't do much of anything. It may decrease the length of the the severity of the disease by eight hours or some crazy thing. And this is not a controversial thing. You can go to Cochrane Reviews, you just Google Cochrane Reviews flu vaccine, you can read the summaries of the last few meta analyses and they, you know, read between the lines, but it does it doesn't say the freakin stuff works, you know, it doesn't work very well, it's very expensive. So we can, we can certainly extrapolate pharmas products, which we know a lot about the other products, I mean, these these site drugs, they've tracked the rise in disability very closely. So that is a suggestion that the drugs cause the rise and disability, right? These there's a lot of other drugs like the stat that basically, I mean, there is arguable small use cases for it, but they've, they've gone so crazy, we've got 8060 or 80 million people in the US on status. And they are toxic, they can cause an occasional fatality and muscle wasting a lot of stuff like that. So the only two use cases for that one is hereditary hypercholesterolemia, which means you have a super high cholesterol and post heart attack. If you're not in those two groups, you're better off doing Roy's method of fasting or being careful with your ketone, you know, or intermittent fast. Roy Barker 38:18 So what about Black Label or black? I can't remember, I think that's it, like off off label uses. Like, we designed this medicine for this because I hear that both ways. I hear there are some medicines out there that help other things they won't let them do. But then I also hear that there are some medicines for one thing that they're using for others that cause harm as well. Dr. Robert 38:42 Something between a third and two thirds of drugs are prescribed off label. So it's completely conventional to do that. The thing that's not conventional is for Big Pharma to advertise there. patented medication for every freakin use under the sun. And there's many, many examples of this in my book, and that's what they get the fines for. That's all this left on the books to get these guys. I mean, research fraud, they sometimes identify some of that, but it's largely done outside of the country. Those studies are accepted, analyzed inside the country. And I mean, that doesn't seem to do much. You know, they put an occasional doctor in jail for a couple of years for that, but they're, they're obvious their champion, their champion fraudsters, you know, but it's done universally. I mean, again, that Goldacre book is a good source. And I'll mention Whitaker's book about the psychiatrists in the psychiatry he uses. He's a seminal author about that, where he dislikes the data and shows that there. I mean, arguably, those drugs are if they work is for a very narrow group. Roy Barker 39:52 Is there any studies on on that at all? Do they have to do any research on the off label? Or do they go on go through a whole new clinical trial for those? Dr. Robert 40:01 Well, that's the thing they're on, you know, I mean, I suppose you see a clinical trials are done to create a patent, which is a monopoly for whatever it is 20 years, you know, from the very start of it. And that's the profitable stuff. When a drug passes off patent, other companies apply to produce it, right. And then in theory, it becomes a matter of supply and demand and whether this stuff really works. Right. But it's not that clear, because there are all kinds of lawsuits that fall that go back and forth between these these big groups, the patent drug manufacturers, and the generic drug manufacturers, and, and sometimes they're just paid. The generic drug manufacturers are just paid not to produce the drug. I mean, it goes on and on. I described that in butchered by healthcare. But Did that answer your question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so. So there are many good uses, there are many good uses for off label prescribing. And in fact, ineligible for physician does that. And I think that there are many, many treatments that are not recognized because they can't be patented. And among these are bioidentical hormones, because pieces of the human body cannot be patented. In theory, they've got some loopholes, like they patent certain doses of these darn things, which doesn't make any sense to me so. So you go through what's called a compounding pharmacy, which is 5% or less of the total pharmacists, and they are allowed to make a drug only for one person, they can't mass produce the drug. So, and there, there are other constraints on those guys, too, that I Roy Barker 41:46 yeah. So let's talk for a minute about, there's so many drugs prescribed about polypharmacy. And I know that some in theory are, if we use the same pharmacy, they should catch that, but I'm going to tell you that we use a national brand and have had some that slipped through like nobody's even taken a look at that. Dr. Robert 42:11 So drug interactions are not studied when the drug is patented. In other words, only one drug at a time is, is studying, right? So we know, we know something about drug interactions from after market effects, and maybe studies that have been done on it. But in the modern nursing home, it's not uncommon to see patients on 20 drugs. And these include that a typical anti psychotic that shortens their lifestyle life lifespan, because it shuts them up. I mean, they've got to control them somehow, I guess. But 20 medications is a medication farm and not a patient, they are just farming the revenues. And you can imagine these things, the expense of them and the insurance reimbursement and the insanity of the whole thing is just a, it's just a travesty. There are people who are studying this that I cited in butchered by healthcare, and they there are specialties that revolve around trying to take people off of as many of their medications as possible. So if you're a patient and you're not sick, I would advise you just to be very careful about what you take. Because the indications for conditions that you can't feel like blood pressure have been trumped up. In other words, the standard for when you Medicaid for blood pressure, there was very little scientific evidence that medicating past the upper limit 160 or the systolic blood pressure that trying to get it lower than that there's very little evidence that it makes any difference. And there's certainly almost no evidence that medicating past 140 systolic makes any difference. And so, especially if you're a senior, that they that, you know, there's there's it's ridiculous, but but the standards have been changed progressively for cholesterol for blood pressure for other medical conditions that are medicated prophylactically. And it prophylactically means before you get sick. So I mean, it's crazy. The whole thing about the bone density drugs. I mean, that's a that's a crazy story. And these things are very toxic. And they create problems have their own, like fractures and certain long bones like the femur, they create rotty jaw bones, right. And in theory, they densify the bones as well. They are a net loss in my opinion, after reading all about it. I mean, it's it's a crazy crazy thing, and you get those things and they last years inside your body, and they're a shot administered in the office. So the doctor gets 25% of the gross revenue. I mean, it's just it's it's a conflict of interest. Nobody You can get around. Roy Barker 45:01 Well, some of what led to that, too was, you know, in, in the nursing home expecially was, you know, when physical restraints, you know, people started taking a hard look at that, and they outlawed them. It's unfortunate, but, you know, we call it chemical restraints, all they did was just moved from having them, you know, tied down in the chair with the belt to chemical chemical restraint of the medication that they give them. Dr. Robert 45:29 So I don't know what there's a good solution for that. But let me just draw a similar point in the insanity field in this psychotic field, right? Well, almost all psychiatric conditions. And these are defined as things for which there is no laboratory test. So the psychiatrists are going almost purely by their gut instinct and talking right, unlike any other medical field, but oh, let's see, I lost my thread. What was I talking about? Right now we're talking about the chemic, chemical restraints, right? Okay. So, in psychiatry, every single psychiatric entity, like schizophrenia, like anxiety, like depression, waxes and wanes, it goes up, it goes down, goes up and goes down, right? But when we start people on psychiatric medications, it habituates them to the medication, and produces chronicity. So this has increased, or it's thought to have increased the number of people on social security disability, all this crazy stuff. So anyway, that's an that's, I don't have an answer for people who are completely out of it, you know, and letting them go through their thing in a walk facility, and then letting them out when they're when they're doing okay, that might be the way to go. It's not inexpensive, but the drugs are not inexpensive either. Well, and the bad thing about the some of the, you know, worst cases in the nursing home, especially was it really wasn't about the patient acting out, it was just if you could medicate enough of them, you didn't have to spend time, you know, devote time and resources to them. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of expertise to carefully medicate these people. And you have to have someone who cares about often about people who are demented, you know, and it's, it's hard, hardly anybody. It takes kind of a safe saintly person to be interested in keeping these people clean and in the best possible condition. And there are private places that do a good job, but the usual nursing home, Medicaid is heavily. I mean, it's crazy. The pharmacies who supply these nursing homes, make millions and millions of dollars per nursing home. I mean, it's crazy. It's like, they turn out blister packs for every patient in the nursing home, often 20 medications, I mean, in the hundreds of dollars a month at a minimum for the for the moderately priced ones, and just break it in, you know, and the nurses pass them out. And go ahead. Terry 48:07 I was I was just gonna say I mean, that's. So what do we do back in the olden days, When, when, when Big Pharma wasn't in control? I mean, we they did, they did send people with senility and, and psychiatric issues, they did put them away for a while or a lifetime. But there weren't many of them, because they weren't taking the drugs to be able to cause whatever it is, they're Dr. Robert 48:31 right, we've got a control group for psychiatry, and that's called the third world, right. And they don't have the money to spend on these drugs. So Whittaker and other Robert Whittaker, and other people have looked at that. And they get better results than we do. Our drugs encouraged chronicity and dependency in the third world, they'd lock them up for a while, maybe give them a few drugs, but they don't give them the drugs and definitely the way the way our standards have developed to, to do this, you know, depression, that you know, this chemical, chemical fault in the brain that's supposed to be depression that the SSRI antidepressants are supposed to fix. You've heard about that. Right? It's a chemical deficiency in the brain. Well, that was made up, that idea was made up by a marketer. That was not there's no science behind that at all. We don't know what the hell's happening in the brain is made up by a marketer. So that thing took hold. And once a bell is wrong, it cannot be unrung. So everybody in the country thinks that the depressed people have a chemical deficiency in the brain. And that means that you have to take the drug forever and pay the pharma company forever. And, you know, I mean, it all falls right, made up by a marketer at Smith Kline and French. Roy Barker 49:48 So what about allergies have has this overmedication or maybe it's the food source or whatever that it's, you know, we had a casual conversation about this the other day That, you know, as I was growing up, and I'm not, you know, mostly back in the 60s and 70s It's been a while, but it didn't seem to be kids with the chronic asthma, the chronic allergies, peanut butter, you know, things like that. And it seemed like nowadays there are so much Terry 50:19 more. All right, yeah, they're all they can't have dairy, they can't they're an app have everything gluten free, no peanuts, all of that. Dr. Robert 50:28 I don't have any specific knowledge about that, except for it sounds to me, like it's part of the diagnosis creep, that has been fostered by industry and abetted by the doctors, you know, just like for the blood pressure, the cholesterol, you know, the the bone density, the bone density story is a is a six story that started in some, you know, medical meeting where they got together and they all decided that bone density below a certain amount was going to be called osteopenia, which is not true osteoporosis. But then they decided that osteo Pina peenya, had to be medicated with these toxic drugs to prophylactic or prevent osteoporosis, which that's the link was never proven. But now we've got, we got all these people on these drugs, they're getting less popular because their toxicities are more widely known. And who wants to have a patient who has a necrosis or a rotten jaw, you know, I mean, that's, but I guess if you're getting paid 20 $500 for a shot, you know, maybe you're risking, you know, you get a you get a herd of about 40 of men, they're coming in once a month, or whatever it is, you got a lot of money on your hands. Terry 51:41 So what's a patient to do? That's the hard part. Okay, what do you do? Dr. Robert 51:47 Right? Well, my wife has a chronic problem. And I be I become her advocate. And it's taken my background to keep her out of trouble. And she's doing very well. But I think that you guys, you guys don't have serious problems yourself. I think you can research what you're doing. You stay away from those drugs, Metformin is okay, but the rest of them are not good. And they'll keep you from losing weight. But if you have a complicated problem, you can go to the best doctors in the country virtually now. And Trump put out this executive order. And I don't think Biden is countermanded. That said that virtual consultations, even on the first visit, are cool, you get it. Whereas before, they would always insist that you come to the office to see them to see you. Because it was considered beneath the standard of care to see a patient virtually or on the phone, especially for the first visit, there's something to that an experienced physician can just look at somebody and they can see physical signs, they can see, they can see stuff they can't see as well over zoom. Although these are very clear images, it's not as good. You know, they get you get your clothes off and look even without even listen to your lungs or looking, you know, just kind of look them over. And and they get hints to what's going on. And they can lead to good ideas about therapy and diagnosis. But you can go to Stanford, and you can do a virtual consultation with these people. And if they won't allow a first time virtual consultation, fly out there, pay for the whole thing, and then do the subsequent visits, and then get your local doctor to do whatever the other guy tells him to do. So you can get the best care in the country, anywhere you live. You know, if you've got a few dollars to rub together, I mean, it's not free. But it's not so outrageously expensive that that you can't get it done. The Second. Second thing is, you know, the problem with healthcare is twofold. Right? Have I want to do too much those are the people on fee for service and fever services, enormous conflict of interest, right? It's impossible to get away from I mean, I was a cosmetic surgeon, I got paid for doing breast dogs. I wanted to do them, you know, and I would like to think I never oversold it on someone that had breasts that were big already or something but you know, you got to make the customers happy, right? But the problem is for fee for service, they want to do too much but the other guys the HMO guys, they're on salary, and they're often incentivized in various subtle ways to do less. So you got to watch those guys and make sure that you're getting the best care from them. They have all the modern stuff. They can do whatever they want, but it often takes a supervising physician outside the system. If you have a complicated problem. If you're have cancer, cancer is there is many different diseases. It's complicated. Many different specialties are required to manage it frequently. You get a cardiologist involved and you know the cancer doctor and he you know, I mean it just goes on and on and on. And there's many possible And the thing is an art, which doesn't work very well, if it's applied the way the standards go, two months of improved survival is what 95% plus of the cancers get from our chemotherapy. And that's not that's not controversial. Two months survival improvement, right? We can cure about five to seven of these cancers. If we catch them at the right stage. It really I mean, you know, what, testicular cancer, some lymphomas, leukemias, you know, some other some other entities get cured, which is, you know, that's a blessing. But the rest of it is, it's definitely an art. And if you establish good relationships with the people, if you don't, if you don't think that they're relating to you, personally, you need to go elsewhere. I mean, doctors are human beings too. And if they seem like they're pushing patients through the clinic, and that's what they're up to. You can sense it your your judgment is better than you think. And you go on and study everything you can, if you have friends that are nurses, or doctors who can help advocate for you and learn everything they can, they'll they possibly will be more sophisticated, although sometimes they are just part of the freakin machine. Roy Barker 56:11 So we're running way long. But I did want to ask you, you wrote another book about hormones. And so we just wanted to touch on that briefly. I know you talked a little bit about testosterone and estrogen earlier, but now kind of what's going on over in that realm? Well, Dr. Robert 56:28 the interesting thing is, the amazing thing is that every single hormone has been run down by standards groups, right? The FDA has, there's a thing called a blackbox warning the FDA puts on drugs, that it deems it's a postmarket thing, right? They put on rather than send the drug back to the manufacturer, which would, you know, it's very expensive. And in theory, the drug works, they put a warning on the drug. So theoretically, patients and physicians can be careful about it and not, not, you know, be aware that there there are risks, and they put black box warnings, unwarranted blackbox warnings on testosterone, estrogen and progesterone based on obsoletes drug studies. In other words, the drugs studies were done is called the Women's Health Initiative, which you probably heard of that thing evaluated drugs that shouldn't be used any longer for chronic care. Okay, like Premarin, Premarin is horse urine, estrogen. Now that stuff has its place. But for chronic care, it has some low level risks, that true estrogen that's Astra dial, which is the compound that should be used is bioidentical doesn't have, right. And, you know, there's a whole series of caveats. But But basically, in testosterone, it's practically unbelievable what's happened with testosterone, they put a blackbox warning on testosterone based on two studies, or they look through the wrong end of the telescope. In other words, they took people on testosterone and look for problems. So that's the wrong way to evaluate a drug. What you need to do is take 1000 people or whatever half up on the drug half, I'm off the drug and see what happens to them in the future. Right. So testosterone, they've stuck this blackbox warning on testosterone for stroke and heart disease, when this stuff has enormously beneficial effects on weight loss. It's the best weight loss drug we've ever had. It's much better than phentermine. It has many positive effects. And you guys, you know, are of the age group where you should consider this stuff and you read my book and see what you think I've got referral sources in there. And even a drug as harmless as progesterone, which is the other female hormone. There's a story they started about that was you don't need anyway. Terry 58:56 So it's it's a crazy I was put, I was given a cream. Dr. Robert 59:00 I mean, the cream is the cream for progesterone is ineffective. It doesn't give you enough to drop like, Terry 59:07 I quit. I mean, I didn't take it very well. Dr. Robert 59:09 You should take oral micronized progesterone, and the doses and everything are in my hormone secrets book. Okay. So that's something that the women should study any woman over 50 should be intimately familiar with all that material. Because you're not going to get it your it's going to be hard to get from anywhere anywhere else. I mean, you can if you go to the right doctor, they can help but there's there's a lot of quote, controversy and the the subjects been just completely covered up. Sorry, Roy. Roy Barker 59:40 Oh, no, no, no, I just I was thinking you might actually thought of something back kind of on the drug issue is that you know, we talked about how things kind of go around with the FDA looking down over this but I'm able to walk into any drugstore, any grocery store And by any form of some kind of a supplement, and they don't have a my understanding with them is they have little to no oversight except for the company. So most of them come from China to do like, okay, yeah. Oh, yeah, I guess the for briefly on that, you know the benefits versus the pitfalls of you know, walking in and, and one for me that I know as that I was told about was iron like, for most men, too much iron can be dangerous more dangerous than than low iron. Dr. Robert 1:00:36 Don't take iron, don't take iron, right? But yeah, Terry if you don't have menstrual periods you shouldn't need iron to see. But the reason why you have low iron in the blood blood is you have blood loss, either through mineral or if you have a GI bleed a slow gut bleed, you can get a lower iron. And if you have that you want to check it out. You don't want to just take iron. Roy Barker 1:00:57 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I wasn't taking it, I have a colon cancer. That was just an example of, you know, one that I know for certain that I've heard is detrimental to men. But then, you know, like some of the others I've heard that they can have interactions with, you know, certain medications that we're taking. So just you know, it kind of the more I've learned about the supplements, kind of the scarier that whole thing is, and the Terry 1:01:21 fish and fish oil Didn't we just learned about fish? Well, we cut out the fish oil supplements, because we spoke to a neural neurologist, who told us that how it was processed, processes that out of what you need. So to go and get, you know, they have to, they have to cook it at such high heat that it actually makes it detrimental. But you can take there's a liquid three, six and nine, that's a lot more. Roy Barker 1:01:48 It's more efficient. But it's also like it has all the nutrients that you really need. So little things like that, you know, like the Who would think you know, nobody ever talked to me about this whole thing with fish oil, everybody's like official is good, but it's the process that kills it. Dr. Robert 1:02:04 I'm not an expert on fish oil I but I understand it's out. The thing I do know about is vitamin D, which actually is not a vitamin, it's a hormone. And you can get your levels drawn of D, your primary care can do that. Or you can go straight through life ext
Get Rid Of Allergies Once and For All While Strengthening Your Immune System Featuring Dr. Ynge Ljung Even when allergies weren't the main concern by treating them along with acupuncture, treatment results improved dramatically. Eastern and Western ideologies allow a powerful and affordable treatment. This approach creates a lasting effect that brings balance and harmony to the whole being and strengthens the immune system in the process. About Dr. Ynge Since 1995, Dr. Ynge Ljung has been an Acupuncture Physician. She is a BodyTalk Practitioner, Naturopathic Medicine Doctor, Acutonic's® practitioner, alternative holistic healer, and former NAET practitioner. Her experience treating patients in the clinic made her realize that allergies are the cause of much dysfunction in the body and they contribute to many diseases. Even when allergies weren't the main concern, by treating allergies along with the acupuncture treatment results improved dramatically. Throughout her career, Dr. Ynge has been challenged by Western medicine's reliance on treating symptoms typically with drugs, ignoring other factors that seem obvious. She spent years studying ancient healing sources and Chinese truths that she then incorporated into the development of The Allergy Kit. Her extensive education in both Eastern and Western ideologies allowed her to create an easy, powerful and affordable way to “say bye-bye to your allergies” once and for all. This approach creates a lasting effect that brings balance and harmony to the whole being and strengthens the immune system in the process. Speaker - Dr. Ynge Ljung (drynge.com) www.theallergykit.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Get Rid Of Allergies Once and For All While Strengthening Your Immune System Featuring Dr. Ynge Ljung Fri, 7/16 6:11PM • 49:10 SUMMARY KEYWORDS allergies, people, eat, acupuncture, sugar, blood sugar, sleep, wheat, kids, diabetes, thought, good, autism, feel, bacteria, bad, vaccinations, creates, fasting, talk SPEAKERS Ynge, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:06 Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty! This is Roy and this is Terry. So we're the podcasts that chronicling our journey to health. We talk a lot about nutrition, exercise mindset, you know, trying to find the right combination of all of these to you know, have sustainable weight loss or some you know, sustainable health. You know, I think I worry about it more that now you know, getting older. I want to make sure that I get go into my older age, in the best health I can I don't want to outlive I don't want to outlive my healthiness or I don't want to live longer than my healthy my health. So, you know, it's definitely something that's on our mind. And from, you know, we have a good mix of guests that come on, as well as just talking about you know where we are and then also we talk a lot about diabetes and diabetic. So anyway, today's no different Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce our guests. Terry 01:06 Yeah, since 1995, Dr. Ynge Ljung has been an Acupuncture Physician. She is a BodyTalk Practitioner, Naturopathic Medicine Dr. Acutonics, Prep Practitioner, Alternative Holistic Healer and former Nait. Practitioner, for experienced treating patients in the clinic made her realize that allergies are the root or the cause of much dysfunction in the body and they contribute to many diseases. Even when allergies weren't the main concern by treating allergies along with the acupuncture, and treatment results improved dramatically. Throughout her career. Dr. Ljung has been challenged by Western medicines reliance on treating symptoms, typically with drugs ignoring other factors that seem obvious. She spent years studying ancient healing sources and Chinese truths that she then incorporated into the development of the allergy kit. Her extensive education in both what Eastern and Western ideologies allowed her to create an easy, powerful and affordable way to say bye bye to your allergies once and for all. This approach creates a lasting effect that brings balance and harmony to the whole being and strengthens the immune system in the process. Thank you so much for being here. That is a mouthful, especially trying with all of the pronunciations on everything. Ynge 02:35 Thank you. You had. Terry 02:39 So you didn't start out in the medical field. Did you? That's that wasn't your initial study. Ynge 02:46 As a matter of fact, my very first education is as a chemical engineer, many years back. Terry 02:54 And how did it evolve into this? How? How did you start? Let's talk about a little bit about how you got to where you are today. Well, Ynge 03:03 I as an as a chemical engineer at that time, they didn't hire Women Engineers. Terry 03:11 Imagine that. Ynge 03:13 So I ended up working as an assistant in the blood bank for some time. And then I got married, had kids moved to Bangladesh for two and a half years. And then came back, had another kid and moved to Venezuela where I lived and was an artist and an artisan. Wow. Terry 03:34 And then I came here in 90, and to the state that you're originally from Sweden, correct Ynge 03:42 originally for Sweden, but I came from Venezuela and came here and was going to continue I was going to make a mural in Miami with a friend of mine. Because art was is my big thing. trip I broke my arm, my my wrist. And well. So I had a few screws sticking out of my arm. So there was no artwork being done. And I always used to have acupuncture done because that kept my I was a potter, and you know, throwing and this kept me my neck and shoulders relaxed. So I went to acupuncture for my hand and they had where I went, they also had a school. And I said okay, I'm going to sign up for the school. Terry 04:30 Wow. Ynge 04:33 And that's how I started. And it took me like eight months. I didn't I didn't get it. I was kind of at the border all the time of making it. All of a sudden I got it. And once I understood because it's different from Not that I was very familiar with medicine at all. But once I got it it was so logical And I was just I love acupuncture. I Terry 05:03 think it's it's the best. That is something that that I have never done again. I mean, neither neither of us have. Sure. But you know what we did do? Oh, I was gonna ask you this too. And we'll we'll go back. But what do you think about Reiki? Ynge 05:18 Yeah, that's that's how I started when I came here as well. But the thing is, do you need to have a license for anything you do here? Terry 05:25 Yes, you do. Ynge 05:28 You can't touch anybody. So that's why I went with acupuncture because I thought, okay, I want to do something where I can touch people. And I didn't want to do massage. That's too hard. I wanted a little more than that. Roy Barker 05:41 So what are some good? While we're on the acupuncture part, what are some, I guess, best uses? What would you suggest people to go to an acupuncturist for? Ynge 05:54 really anything, because it works on the organs, it works. So you don't only look at the organ per se, you look at the meridians. If you look at, for example, the gallbladder Meridian, which starts here goes back and forth over the head and over the shoulder and back, all the way down the sciatic nerve, and all the way to the second toe. And so many people have problems on the meridian on the meridian itself, so also looking at different points, you can see okay, there is a point that's very sore. Well, that's so that point really is the goal better points do you can advise the person to do something, change their diets, so they don't irritate their gallbladder? So there are many things you can look at. And find out what's going on. Apart from I mean, if even if you just use four needles to relax your body, no, you feel totally relaxed. So you can use it just for maintenance, you can use it really for any kind of practically any kind of disease disease, Terry 07:11 or So does it make you feel like, like a deep meta deeper meditation, Ynge 07:17 you know, it's like, if you have a massage, you know how relaxed you feel. But it lasts for a short time, when you do the acupuncture, that relaxation lasts for a long time for days. Okay? So it's totally different. It's on a very, very deep level. Roy Barker 07:36 So when people make return trips for, I guess, basically the same thing, or do you wait to have a specific need, and, you know, Ynge 07:47 I like to work with somebody at least 1010 times. And sometimes they have one specific thing they want to work on. And of course, some people they come to they have had it for 1520 years, and it might take longer to fix it, so to speak. But when once their problem is fixed, it's very good to at least once a month to go for maintenance. And just keep yourself relaxed and everything acrobatic can really deduct also if there is something going on. So no, I definitely recommend acupuncture. Terry 08:27 So any that I mean for in anything from a pain that you may have to a habit that you have like like a smoking habit, or Ynge 08:35 even with what I do know is of course a combination with my allergy kit, because smoking is an allergy to nicotine, sugar and vitamin B. Oh, I have them treat with a basic allergy kit plus the nicotine abeille for nicotine and smoking. That's the same with alcohol. Really, that's an allergy to alcohol, but we'll be in sugar. You know, people who either they quit smoking or they quit alcohol, they crave sugar. Yes. And that's because the alcohol Of course turns into sugar, but also the nicotine that cigarettes when they harvest the leaves, the tobacco leaves, they spray them with molasses. So by constantly with like the secret so when you constantly smoke, it is sugar. So you get this. Terry 09:38 I never knew that. Ynge 09:41 I've had page I had one patient who did everything to quit smoking even going through the doctor and got drugs for it. It didn't it hurt. Her addiction to cigarettes did not stop until I treated her for sugar and wow Roy Barker 09:59 yeah, that kind of It takes us. I guess that makes a good segue to our next one. This is what I've been waiting to ask you, since we talked, you know, previously a month or so ago, but you make a comment, or a read in your literature that whatever we have an allergy to, we can crave that. So if we're allergic to sugar, we will crave sugar. That's interesting concept. Could you talk a little bit about that? Ynge 10:29 What were the sugar, it is many, many faceted, in a way. I think when you have an allergy, for example, sugar, you crave sugar. What it does, when you create when you eat sugar, you give into that you eat the sugar, that creates Candida albicans, which is an overgrowth of bacteria. So if you try to get excuse me, if you try to get off of the sugar, the bacteria in your intestines, they're sitting there, give me sugar, give me Show me that can reproduce. So you'll give in and you eat sugar. It is a little painful for people who try to get off of sugar, because they really have the cravings. It's and I can understand it's hard to how to not to give in. And what the allergy kid does it, it gets rid of the craving. Even though sometimes with sugar, you have to really treat it several times because because of the Candida. So it's like a vicious cycle. If you don't stop eating sugar, you keep on having cravings and you keep feeding the Candida. But it gets easier with the with the energy kit. Roy Barker 11:44 And you know, the whenever I quit, or cut down carbs when I was first diagnosed with type two diabetes, you know, he said, Look, I want you to stay in between about 40 to 60 carbs a day. And, you know, goodness knows how many carbs I'd been eaten today, I'd be scared to even add to what I was eating a day. But so he told me that like on a Thursday, and so Friday, that's kind of like, that's not feeling too well. And then Saturday, I had such a headache. Like from my eyes up, I felt like the top of my head was gonna blow off. And then I got scared. I thought I was having some kind of a high blood pressure events. I went to the store to test it. And you know, I thought man, if I just lived through this weekend, I'll be good. I'm gonna call my doctor. And so when I called him he kind of chuckles like, so you must have cut out carbs over the weekend. I said yeah, did He's like, it's an addiction. He said, you know, your body is addicted to carbs. And it's just like working through an alcohol or a drug addiction. You have withdrawals. And he said, If you wait a couple more days that will subside, and you will be okay. But I'm here to tell you it was real. It was kind of scary, actually. Ynge 12:59 I can understand and I can definitely understand that, that people like you give into it because it is scary. And if you eat the carbs, it will subside. Yeah. But this is a withdrawal. It's like any any drug really. It's a drawl symptom. So maybe it's easier if you do it little by little and not just like quit alcohol or drugs or anything. Terry 13:30 Cold Turkey? Yeah. No, no, I Roy Barker 13:32 didn't. But you know, I didn't even know what to expect. So it was just a big surprise for me that, you know, we we think of, I guess, as in, we're conditioned that drugs and alcohol are not good. And you know, we we hear about these withdrawals. But who would have ever thought that you know, carbs? And probably sugar if you did the same with sugar probably make you feel about as bad? Yes. Terry 14:00 Yes. And I need I mean, I need chocolate. I, I need Roy Barker 14:07 I need her to have chocolate. Terry 14:10 To have chocolate for sure. I mean, I don't need it all the time. But you know, Ynge 14:15 you know, I had a patient who was the same she could not if she had a box of chocolate, she would have one. And the box was empty. Yeah. And I treated her for the sugar. And I don't know, three or four times. And then she came back and she said I can't believe that I had one piece of chocolate and I was I didn't want anymore. And that's how it should be. Yeah. So and when I go back to pre diabetes, it as I said, mentioned before, I recommend everybody to buy a glucose meter. And in the beginning, like a week, I know it sounds horrible. You have to prick your your finger. But when you go to the doctor and you're fasting, your blood sugar is normal, probably, plus, they say between 80 and 90 is normal, which is not, when you look at functional medicine, it's between 70 and 80. So you don't know what's happening. When you eat, if you just take a fasting blood sugar, right, so you take the blood sugar just before you eat, and then you take it every 15 minutes, for at least one hour, and you see where your peak is. And then you take it every hour. And until you have your next meal, if you can do that a couple of days a week. And just see, first of all, when your peak is, and you can also check which food is it that I react to, and stay away from that food for a while. And because you can regulate your own blood sugar, you can get rid of your diabetes, but it is it takes it takes work. It takes that you measure your blood sugar. And it takes that to eat the right things in the morning. And if you eat, or you you drink your smoothies, if you put fruit in, or berries, your blood sugar will probably spike. So these are a lot of things that you can regulate once you know what what is spiking. You have and you know, there are also remedies you can have supplemental type chromium, for example. And so it's a whole program, but you can get rid of your diabetes. Roy Barker 16:42 Yeah, yeah. And that's something that we have learned, you know, because there was a time that the thought was that, if you have it, you're stuck with it. But you know, we it's not. Yeah, and, you know, I'm even, you know, pretty good instance of that, when I'm doing what I need to do. I can control it with food, sleep, and exercise, you know, yeah, it's important for me to get up and move, you know, after meal go out and take a little walk. Just, that's and that's been my big struggle, I think through this pandemic is just not enough movement, working from home setting here at home. It's harder to make myself get up and go take a walk, you know, we really have to have a struggle with that. Ynge 17:28 Yes, it is. You have to discipline yourself. I know myself, it's the same thing. I think the population in this country, after this year, it's I mean, sitting on my bad, it's the same thing. So I am controlling my blood sugar. I don't I'm not diabetic, I've never been, I'm not overweight, I've never been my whole family lived to 80, around 80. Nobody has diabetes or heart attacks. But my blood sugar is not good. And it is probably a lot because I have not moved I have not exercised. And because my sleep is pretty good. That's another thing that also if you don't sleep good for one night that can spike your blood sugar. So there are so many things. And so it goes back to stress. For example, maybe you don't sleep good, because you're stressed out. Terry 18:21 Yeah, but no, Ynge 18:25 there is a whole I mean, there is a lot to think up Roy Barker 18:28 there is Yeah, and water intake too. I mean, to me, it's just all these things that we need to do for a lot of other reasons to make our body healthy, but also also to help. Terry 18:41 Definitely like water is water and an Irish with this warm water. Roy Barker 18:50 It's funny you mentioned because that is a huge difference between myself and Terry is cheating. go out and buy a piece of chocolate. Take the bite, put it away and save it. Yeah. And then a week later, she's in there looking for me. Terry 19:10 I'm gonna hide it. Roy Barker 19:11 I need to eat the whole thing, right that moment or, you know, we'll try to be good and say, Okay, we'll take a little bite and put it away. I know where it's just go in there and try to find it, you know, till it's all gone. He's sneaky. It's not good for you. Yeah. But you were saying earlier that the one lady once you've kind of got her on a better path, she she was able to flip the switch on that, that that would be so nice for me to be able to do that. Because, you know, we anything that we try, we don't want to be restricted. We don't want to be Terry 19:48 we don't want to say you Ynge 19:50 know, deprived. We don't want to be deprived. We don't want to say no, I can never have that. No, you can never have a glass of wine. No, you can never have a cup of coffee. Right? Terry 19:59 No, yeah. I think that's that's exactly what we're if you tell me I can't have something I'm going for it. Regarding whatever you tell me, I'm going to do the opposite. That's terrible. Ynge 20:09 Yes. But to go back to the blood sugar, since that is one of your things. I think it's is it two thirds or three fourths of the population today is overweight or obese and or obese? And every single one has a problem with blood sugar, but they don't know. How I mean, it's the same with bad diabetes. There is so many diabetics and so many pre diabetics, and they don't have a clue. Roy Barker 20:42 Yeah, we had a, we had a guest on recently that he had a terrible diet. And he admits it. He was, you know, he told us the day that this incident happened. He stopped that, like the donut store, the pizza store, I don't know, he had, Terry 20:59 like a Kwik Mart or something. Roy Barker 21:00 He had all of this crazy amount of food that he was eating, but he passed out and ended up that he had like blood sugar was over 500. I mean, it was Terry 21:11 he had never been diagnosed with Roy Barker 21:14 diagnosis. You know, I can only imagine with the way that we live driving through fast food restaurants that and then the bad thing is it's like, think we've transferred that to our children, because they've been raised through drive thru restaurants a lot of times as well. So we're probably just starting out people were young. Ynge 21:36 Yes. I mean, I'm looking at a children today. And it's the same thing. And babies and they're so fat, and then you see what they give them. You know, toddlers, or even under under one year, they are having an ice cream cone. Yeah, it's it. That and wheat is the worst you can give to a baby. First of all, it destroys their, their digestive system, the wheat does, I'm sure you know about the wheat and the glyphosate and making Not only that, also the protein that is in the way that makes holes in that whole thing. Roy Barker 22:16 Yeah, I'd like to get you to, to expound on that if you would, because we, you know, we there's, it's, it's so complicated, but it's all tied together, that we hear so much more now. You know, since we started this show, we've learned a lot because they didn't know these things before. But now, you know, a couple things, our gut health, and then inflammation. And it seems that inflammation. It's basically the root of all evil, there's so many bad things that can start with the inflammation. And then we look back to the diet of what causes that. And I think, if I'm not wrong, doesn't wheat, wheat and poor gut health are the beginnings of that Ynge 22:59 wheat is really the beginning. First of all, wheat is sprayed, like a couple of days before it's harvested. They sprayed with glyphosate with roundup to get rid of the leaves. And not only that, I think they spray even the seeds before they plant them. So then just before they harvest, they spray them. So the all the leaves fall off, and all the toxins go straight up to the kernels that we then eat. And apart from that, it's I don't think it's GMO yet, but it's hybridized and has been hybridized for 70 years. So it's not the same kind of wheat that it used to be. And so the wheat, it has gluten, which has some proteins that are definitely not good for you one of them acts as an opiate, which makes a lot of people addicted to it. And then the other is that it creates, it's hard to digest even if it's organic, but it creates holes in the lining of the intestines, which means that the partially digested food goes out in the bloodstream. And that's how we get allergies, because then the body reacts to these food particles that are not that are not supposed to be there. Interesting. And they produce antibodies, and that is just allergies. So that's why we so many people have allergies today. Terry 24:32 Yeah. Yeah, it seems like there's just an excessive amount. I mean, it's you never heard it. You know, when I when I was growing up, you just didn't hear about people being allergic. You know, maybe one or two kids would have some kind of really bad allergy, but now it's like everybody. Ynge 24:50 Yeah, and also the glyphosate it. You know, they say no, it's not harmful for people, but what it does, it inhibits itself. pathway, the shikigami pathway shikimate pathway that where enzymes and bacterias can travel to go into the intestines and produce the bacteria to digest the food. Well, if that's not there, then what? Terry 25:20 You can't digest? Ynge 25:22 No. And then we come to the other thing, and that is that we have the digestive system is our second brain through the vagus nerve, which goes from the brain down to the directly to the connect directly connected to the digestive system. And we get depressant depression. So people are depressed, and how many people I think it's also a lot, the 60% or something are popping happy pills. But they're looking in the wrong place. It's not from the head. It's from the edge digestion. Roy Barker 25:56 Okay. You know, we had another gal on, he was an optometrist. And he was saying that we they, him and his wife had cut weed out for breakfast, and just we're doing the smoothies, but he was talking about how we can affect some kind of a measurement in your eyes and eventually affect your vision as well. Ynge 26:20 I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. And I'm sure. I mean, if we look at diabetes, for example, where if you allopathic medicine, they say, okay, when you're when you're when your blood sugar's 120. You are diabetic. Okay, what happens when you when it's 119? Right. Yeah. And and also, they have proven that both their retinal whatever that causes blindness in diabetes, that is that and neuropathy is already starting to be developed when it's 110. Roy Barker 26:56 Oh, wow. Ynge 26:58 So it is much, much more serious than we think. And the eyes? I mean, I think that ophthalmologists, they can see a lot in the eyes. Yeah. So I, that is I think that is maybe even more important to go through then to go for to take a blood test once a year. Roy Barker 27:21 Yeah. So what about fasting? What what do you what do we, we've seen a lot of information on both sides of the coin on fasting, but what what's your take on fasting? Ynge 27:33 I think fasting is great. And I mean, if you could fast for a week, I think that would be very good. And a lot of specially with diabetes that can maybe takes a little longer time than then a week and I know it's it's hard. The first two, three days are the worst. And the thing is, I think if you just make up your mind and saying, okay, at least, let's say you fast once a week. And you just tell yourself, okay, tomorrow, I'm fasting. And it's easier than it's easier if you prepare yourself and maybe eat a little less a couple of days before. And be careful when you start to eat again. Terry 28:24 Oh, yeah. Well, and I mean, if you did that, if you did fast, you know, tried to fast. Once a week or intermittent fasting or whatever. I lost it. See, I need something for my brain to my short term memory. Oh my gosh, I had something. No, it just gives your digestive system time to repair it so so it can fend off whatever it is that is going on. Down there. Right. Ynge 28:53 Yeah. No, I definitely believe the first day even though it is. No, I'm going out tomorrow night that can't pass now. There's so many are so many excuses. Yeah. So but starting with intermittent fasting is great. Terry 29:12 Yeah. Yeah, cuz we had spoken the pre show about that we had had been doing plant based eating and only eating at noon and then six or seven o'clock in the evening, and then nothing in between, maybe maybe a smoothie but as much water as we possibly could. Ynge 29:33 No, that's that can also be a very good way to go into maybe a three day fasting because it is beneficial. It absolutely is beneficial. Roy Barker 29:44 And you're a big advocate of food diaries as well, correct? Ynge 29:49 Yes. That's the best way I think to detect what you react to and how you feel every Seeing how your sleep is at night, you know, you write down everything how you feel if you have a downer at three o'clock in the afternoon, or if you feel like a hidden track hit you in the morning, when you wake up all these things to write down that can give you a very good picture of your own health. Terry 30:20 Yeah, and Roy Roy has a once you get a new Fitbit that is measuring your level, Roy Barker 30:28 yes, yeah, I just my other, unnamed watch it. It kind of cratered on me, but I didn't use it. Anyway, I was, I was disappointed from the time I bought it. So I went back to the Fitbit. And I just I love it because it does the sleep tracking your heart rate. And I think the other one did, too, I just couldn't figure it all out. But then this one here has a good prompt, like get up every hour, and get 250 steps in which you know, when I can stay on that, again, you know, like I say is that at the end of the day, you know, I've got 2500 steps already. And you know, I didn't have to go out and do anything. So when when I can add a little, you know, if I can add a morning walk, noon walk, and then an evening walk to that, it just really helps me reach the goals that I have set to do and then the sleep. Because that's something it's one of my triggers. It's something that sometimes I can't avoid with things that need to get done. So, you know, I can tell the Knights when not when, or they'll tell me you know, these nights when I don't get my sleep. And typically it's links related, I just need to sleep longer. I never have trouble going to sleep now make him go. Terry 31:53 He's a guy we're talking about. He's a dude, he hit his head hits the pillow and he's out like a light. Ynge 31:59 I do the same thing with what I do is I try not to go on the computer for an hour before and do some meditation or read or something. And like eight o'clock, I start I just cleaned myself and do everything ready to go to bed. Whenever I start to john, that's when I go to bed. And I fall asleep immediately. And I mean, the brain and the liver, they detox between 11 the score better awesome. But the whole thing is between 11 and three o'clock in the morning. So it is so important that you get that cleansed. So if you're sure that after, you know people who go to bed at two o'clock in the morning, they they really screw their brain off of being cleansed and delivered to it's Roy Barker 32:53 it's it's big, because, you know, I don't mind. You know, admitting that that is my probably one of my downfalls the beginning of bad things for me, you don't sleep, then you always, you know, always look for food or something to pick me up. I've got to have something to keep me awake and keep me going. And then manage that Terry 33:15 whole long list of things that you have to do anything. Again, vicious cycle, Roy Barker 33:23 yeah. And then you don't feel like exercising, so you don't go out. So then you just eat more and set. It's terrible. And so anyway, you know, like last week, or this week one, I think is this week, I had like two or three good nights in a row where I was, you know, my sleep scores in the 80s. And I celebrated. Yeah, I mean, I can't tell you how much better I felt. Ynge 33:47 Yes, yes. And no, sleep is so important. Roy Barker 33:51 And now there's more and more studies coming out to that. People that have been sleep deprived through the you know, 40s and 50s are very, very high rate of Alzheimers. So now that's something too, that you get to my age and you start thinking about all these things that we do that really don't affect us right now that you know we live through, but what is the effect, you know, 2030 years, they're going to add it to but Ynge 34:20 I would just add to that the weight again. Weight affects their memory. And they have proven that if they take out people and I shouldn't say on that age myself. If they take them off of wheat, their memory gets better, their behavior gets better, everything gets better. And for example in autism wait that often that creates meltdowns and temper tantrums and anger outbursts, which they call behavior problems that is really an allergic reaction. Interesting. I also have a book I should tell you about book because I want to tell you that I have a book about Terry 35:05 autism finding your last child. Yeah, because that's another thing. I mean, that's another thing, you know, along with all the people with allergies, there are all these autistic cases. And I don't know if maybe I didn't pay attention before or if it just wasn't something that was brought out, where, you know, there were so many cases of autism. Ynge 35:29 The prospect the probe, what do they call the prospect, that projection of autism in 34? is one into 80% or males? Roy Barker 35:42 So has it? If you look back at the 60s, oh, yeah, for today has an income. Do you know how much it's increased? Since? Ynge 35:51 I would say it has increased? Like, 890 8%? Wow, gosh, was I I personally, I never knew anybody. I mean, my kids are born 6668 and 70. And I never knew anybody with autism, right? Well, I know my, for example, my son in law has a brother, he was born 66. And he is autistic. But that's the only one that I know from that age group. Roy Barker 36:19 Yeah. Yeah. Cuz like Terry said earlier, you know, I'm probably just a little bit older than that age group. But, uh, you know, we never had kids with, like, peanut allergies as the big thing. And when I was in school, we never I never knew anybody all the way through school that had any kind of bad enough allergy that they had to avoid, you know, eating a certain food or doing, you know, a certain activity. No. Terry 36:49 Yeah, peanut butter and jelly. I never even thought twice about taking a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. That was my go to lunch. I just never even thought about it. But they you know, as far as I know, this is a little off topic, too. But we were talking about autism. You know, a lot, a lot of people, not a lot, but it has come out that vaccinations might be the way the vaccination, the MMR vaccination was all mixed up together, instead of doing them separately, that might have been a contributor to that as well. I don't know. Ynge 37:28 I mean, I can't say anything really about that, more than First of all, I think they're giving the vaccinations far too early before the break the brain barrier. Is it developed? And I think they're giving far too many in too short of a time, then I don't think I mean, all my kids had all of their illnesses them is also on the whatever they're called German, measles and mumps, and they're never sick, and have never been sick. They were always always in school never had to stay home because they were sick. Oh, I think that is a natural way of building the immune system. I think far less kids died, died from measles, then they die. comes from the Terry 38:24 Adas trying to join the conversation. She's paid something in the backyard. Oh, might be a deer. Ynge 38:32 But I don't know if that's the cause. But it can be that these kids are very sensitive. And because Autism is a whole body problem. And I think that the vaccinations at that age can trigger the whole thing. So it is the only cause but because I know that that I have even had patients that I've treated for allergies, that they were diagnosed as autism kids, and they are totally normal. And these kids that all have allergies, they all have bad digestive problems. Most of them suffer from constipation, for example, which makes them more toxic, of Terry 39:17 course to Right, right. Well, let's, can we go back to your app, the allergy kit? How would somebody even know to I wouldn't even know what to think I was allergic to or even know to come in to get tested. How would somebody Ynge 39:36 with you? I consider that everybody is alert. And more or less of course, I've met one single purse person during during what 23 years that I've worked with allergies who did not have any allergies, really, who was a person who was from the islands, Jamaica, I think it was a boy In the boot in the boonies grew up with everything. Nothing was sprayed, they had their piglets and their chicken and no vaccinations. That's the only person I've seen that ever. I tested him he was not allergic to anything. Roy Barker 40:14 So what about the old dairy about eating dirt? Not necessarily eating. But you know, like, Ynge 40:21 I totally believe in that too, because there have been some studies and Swedish studies. One was about kids that grew up on farms, and they really dirt. And they had far less allergies and asthma, for example, then kids who did not. And then another thing was families with sounds funny, who had dishwasher machines. Their kids had more allergies than then in families where they wash their dishes by hand. Roy Barker 40:56 Yeah, you know, I, I have, there was a story not long ago talking about that, that the dishwasher may actually sterilize too good. And it's taken away some of that good bacteria need not because I was just saying, like, my kids, we, they were raised that ballpark, you know, me and their mother played softball, and, you know, they were covered in dirt. And we, you know, we, we bathed them, and we had good hygiene, but we weren't fussy, like, Oh, my gosh, they got a speck of dust on and we got to get that off. We weren't really like that. And you know, in both of them grew up without any allergies or health issues. But conversely, you know, it's I think it's more rampant now than before. But it's like, we don't you know, that we don't let the kids outside. And if they do, that, we got the handy while making sure that we knock off any dust particle that may get on them. And anyway, I just think there's a lot to that. As far as maybe more than natural allergies from trees and plants and things like that, you know, they get Ynge 42:02 Yeah, exactly. They don't have a chance to build their immunity if everything is clean. And as babies, I mean, babies First of all, a lot of them are born with Syrian, Syrian, what do you call that? Terry 42:15 c section? Yeah. Ynge 42:16 C section. Okay. So first of all, they are not paid in what they are when they go through the canal. And they don't are not breastfeed fed. So normally, I mean, they go through and they get all the all the bacteria from the mother's vagina. And then they suck the breast and they get the course bacteria from there. And then, I mean, they suck on everything naturally. But today, they're kind of not allowed to do that. Terry 42:42 Yeah, it's like their hands are taped together, behind them, you know, so they can't do anything and get dirty, then none of that? Well, the other thing, it's, Roy Barker 42:52 I think it's a function of society. That this time is like, in my, in my age, you know, when especially in summer, when the sun came up, we were outside playing and run in doing all kinds of stuff all day long. And, you know, it's unfortunate, like, in my kids, they couldn't even ride their bikes to school. If they did, you know, one of us had to ride with them and make sure everything was okay. And so I think, you know, that's been another negative is just that we, the kids aren't allowed to roam the land like that, like we did, you know, we were in we we lived in the city, but we were on the edge. And so we were always out somebody's pasture. We were out in their pond swimming or fishing, or, I mean, you know, we were, I'd come home filthy. Terry 43:42 Yeah, and everybody now has a pool in their backyard or uses their and gets exposed to all of that stuff, too. But they're clean. You know, they can they get cleaned that way. So they're exposed to all these chemicals and pesticides. Oh, yes. Ynge 43:57 The chlorine and yeah, yeah, that's not so good, either. I mean that the chlorine, of course, affects the thyroid. Yeah, because the thyroid needs iodine. And that is a halogen. And chlorine is a higher halogen. So it kicks out the iodine nutrition. And I think that's one of the reasons why so many people have thyroid problems. Because we bathe and I mean even water and some people they drink tap water and, and all the cleaning with Clorox Clorox, Clorox. Well, yes. Yeah. Roy Barker 44:42 Awesome. Well thought about that. Yeah, interesting. Well, we want to appreciate you and thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. It's been really good. A lot of great information. You know, one thing we always ask our guests is what is happening? habit that you have in your daily lives that you feel adds a lot of value. Ynge 45:07 I think my most important thing is to meditate, even if it's only for five minutes. But I meditate in the morning before I get up. And I tried to get it in before I go to bed too. And, and also, even if also what I tried to try and remind myself, when I get a little stressed, it's just to put my hand on my chest and my heart and take a deep breath and just feel grateful for life. Terry 45:44 Breathe like deep breathe. Roy Barker 45:46 That's, that's good advice. Yeah, you know, cuz that's something I've started. I've never really had trouble going to sleep. But it's just, I feel much better. If I take a few minutes before we go to bed. I will set and number one write in my journal, but then also just sit there and take, you know, five or 10 minutes to just think, reflect, try to clear my head. And it's so much easier. It's so much better than going to bed still. Without these thoughts of the day still with you? Ynge 46:21 Yeah, because it's that makes it difficult for people to fall asleep. So I think, taking a few minutes before going to bed and the shut off the TV shut off the computer an hour before? Roy Barker 46:34 Yeah, definitely. Terry 46:37 Yeah, that's a great idea. Roy Barker 46:39 Well tell everybody how they can reach out and get a hold of you, you know, who do you like to work with? How can you help them? How can they get ahold of you? And then also be sure and tell us how we can get your book. Ynge 46:50 Okay, so I have a website, which is theallergykit.com. And I have an other website, which is Dr. Ynge drynge.com. Where they can I do the body code, which is another, I don't do the body, talk over the phone, but I do the Body Code. I do coaching apart from the other tickets, because a lot of people need more help than just eliminating their allergies. But they can go to info@theallergykit.com and write me an email if they want to reach me and have a conversation with me. Okay, I'm happy to have a consultation and talk to them about the other educate and about whatever they want to know. Roy Barker 47:45 Okay. Oh, yeah, we'll include all of the websites and email address in in the show notes as well. But show us your book. Tell us the name of the title again. And I guess we can get that through the website or Amazon. Terry 48:01 Yeah. or Amazon? Yes. Okay. Finding Your Lost Child. Roy Barker 48:06 All right. Awesome. I like that cover too. I love the puzzle pieces. That's great. Yeah, thank you. All right. Well, thank you so much. that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course, I am your host, Roy. I'm Terry. And you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. You can find us on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. If you're if we're not on one that you use, please reach out, I'd be glad to get it added to make it easier for you to listen to us. You can also find us on all the major social media platforms probably hang out on Instagram a little bit more than anywhere else. So reach out, send us a message there. We'd love to interact with you. And also a video of this interview will go up when the episode goes live on our YouTube channel. So be sure and check out our YouTube channel for all of our past episodes as well as our website. We have all of our past episodes up there. So anyway, we appreciate you listening. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Terry 49:06 Thank you. Thank you Speaker - Dr. Ynge Ljung (drynge.com) www.theallergykit.com www.feedingfatty.com
Balanced For Life Program, Eat and Live Cleaner From the Inside Out Featuring Sherry Diamond It's so important to strive for balance in life. This is from eating in general, to what you eat, when you eat, how much you move, sleep, drink water, and much more. Combine this with living clean, eating clean, and using clean products we can certainly improve our health and our outlook on life. Living from the inside out certainly has its benefits. About Sherry At age 64, I found myself waking up two to three times a night, and in a “brain fog” in the morning. I had bumps under my skin, and not feeling at my full potential. When I went for my annual medical checkup, my doctor informed me I was “knocking on the diabetic door” and needed to change the way I was eating. Since I am terrified of needles, I knew I needed to pay attention. I couldn't imagine having to give myself injections of insulin every day. Around this same time, my brother started teaching me about bacteria, how it forms in our bodies, and that it eventually causes high blood pressure and diabetes, as well as the negative effects it has on people with autoimmune diseases. This resonated with me because I have had Hashimoto's Disease (a thyroid problem) for 27 years. I immediately started to eat cleaner, and honestly, after about 10 days, I already was feeling so much better and sleeping better too! By the time I lost the first 40 lbs., I could feel “the shift” in my brain for the first time in my life. I could picture what I would look like when I reached my goal weight. For the first time in my life, my brain and my body were becoming friends. I started feeling good from the inside out. This is when I began researching cleaner products for my personal use and at home. In the Stay Balanced 4 Life program, I will share all of these products and the information I've learned about them with you. I am not paid for any endorsements of these products. The best part of reaching my goal weight is that I feel healthier at age 67 than I did at 47. I have more energy, more confidence and I'm moving through life at my full potential now. Once my brain and my body became friends, there was no stopping me. I finally gave the 232 lb. me a permanent eviction notice and she is never allowed back in my house again! This program is individually designed for your unique needs to help you feel better from the inside out. www.balance4life.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Balanced For Life Program, Eat and Live Cleaner From the Inside Out Featuring Sherry Diamond Sun, 7/11 2:08PM • 47:52 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, people, day, food, ice cream, life, roy, sherry, sleep, bad, journey, thyroid, drink, doctor, diabetes, margarita, noticed, good, night, sit SPEAKERS Sherry, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. I'm your host growing and I'm Terry,of course we are the podcast journaling chronicling our journey to health and wellness that can consist of, you know, our diet, what we eat, not necessarily a diet and then also exercise in movement, which is imperative for us, we do not move enough. And then also, you know, our mindset and being able to sustain our changes, we really have to get our minds right and wrap it around. So you know, and we also talk about our journey a lot and some different things like diabetes, which I struggle with. And then we also have professionals in the field on And today, we are glad to have Sherry Diamond with us, Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Sherry. Terry 00:00 Sherry Diamond is an entrepreneur and a coach for her program balance for life. She teaches others how to live from the inside out and not the outside in how to eat cleaner and use cleaner products, no matter their age or ailments. She developed the program three years ago, after much research and lost 103 pounds. She is 67 years young and does not take a lot of medication. And Sherry, I'm gonna let you talk to us a little bit about your journey. Three, almost four years ago, how you started out and and why you ended up where you are today. And how you did that. Sherry 00:00 Well, hi Roy and Terry, it's so fun to be with you. I was so looking forward to today, because we've talked a few times. And you know, you guys resonate with me. So it's so fun to be here with you today. Roy Barker 01:43 Thank you for that. Thanks for your day. Yeah. Sherry 01:46 So my journey has been, you know, as I've told you, I come from a Jewish family where food is everything. It's like our life. And how I was socialized as a child really is what got me to be a yo yo diameter and be overweight is it most of my life, but really, as an adult in my 40s and 50s is when I think I was really at my worst. Um, and it's funny, because when I look back now how I was socialized as a kid, you know, if we were all together with our family, and everybody was eating or having ice cream, and it was a party, perfect, eat whatever you want, but come home from school and put your hand in the cookie jar. And my mom or my grandma would say, Yeah, I don't think you should be eating that. You might be getting a little too fat. And they said those words to me when I was a kid. Oh, by the time I got older, you know, I didn't know if I was supposed to eat the food, hide the food or what I was supposed to do with the food. And a lot of times I suffered in silence, but not terrible. Because I have to say, being overweight never stop me from anything like I dated. I got married, you know, men like me. It wasn't like people looked at me like I was a horrible, obese person. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it didn't affect me that way. But when I was 64, he went to the doctor. And she told me that I was knocking on the diabetic door. And up until that point, and still now the only medication I take is for my thyroid because I have I have hypothyroidism. And that's the only pill I take. And I'm grateful for it. So I thought you know what, if I'm knocking on the diabetic door, I'm terrified of needles, I am not going to take insulin. So I better start looking at what's going on with food. And honestly before that, maybe a couple years before that I had a bad rotator cuff. And it was I was in terrible pain. And they didn't know if I was going to have to have my shoulder operated on but I did it. And I started researching foods that were going to help heal my shoulder and it was all about antioxidants. Because antioxidants are just you know everything blueberries, strawberries, all the dark berries, they're great for us. You know, spin is everything that has antioxidants, it's one of the best things you can eat. So I started doing that. And I learned that certain foods I was eating especially with too much sugar are terrible if you have problems with your joints or anything like that, and everything that causes inflammation. So I went on this journey and my actually my brother's the one that started me on the journey and started talking to me about eating cleaner and plant based and different things. And I did and I lost 103 pounds. I'll never get fat again and I tell everybody that I killed that fat girl I buried her and I watched her die and she's ever allowed back here again. Roy Barker 04:42 Yeah, what a good feeling and you know, talking about the family not in this isn't placing blame but, you know, we kind of I grew up in that same situation, but it was more of the emotional eating like, you know, if you came home and had a bad day, it's like, oh, no, well, let's have something to eat that'll fix you up or it's like You know the celebration like yay things were awesome for you Let's celebrate and I know I kind of have a an addiction to ice cream and I love ice cream could eat, you know, just a ton of it all I can eat it for breakfast lunch and dinner. And you know, we've kind of talked a lot about it and I think I figured it out is that you know, whenever I would be with my grandparents, or my dad whenever I would work with them in the summer, like either helping them on their job or maybe just mowing the yard for them. You know, both of my grandpa's would be like, Hey, you know we've worked hard enough today let's go down to one of them went to the Dairy Queen and one of them went to the drugstore. Let's go get an ice cream and then you know, I Terry 05:41 think back back when drugstores used to have ice cream. Cover wagon days. Sorry. Yeah, no, I Roy Barker 05:48 mean, you know, like with my dad when I would go to work with him in the summer I can remember vividly setting in the Dairy Queen with the jukebox playing a Van Morrison song, you know, eating an ice cream sundae taking an afternoon break from you know, being out working hard. So, you know, when you think back about that, you know, that's, I think it's partly the ice cream. That's good. But it's that relationship. It's the happy times. It's just, you know, so much wrapped up in the emotion of it. No, Sherry 06:16 you know what, right? I knew there's a reason I liked you. I came from a family where my dad, my dad literally could sit down after dinner and eat a bowl or to have ice cream and lay down on the couch and take a nap. Right. And ice cream was like, I love ice cream. And up until probably I can't believe I'm going to admit this, but I will is that up until maybe 10 years ago, eight years ago, it was no problem to sit down and eat a pint of Haagen dazs peanut butter and chocolate ice cream. It was delightful. But guess what all but all we were all we're doing. We're just stuffing everything that we're not dealing with down in the form of food and happiness. And we're calling it something else. And that's really what it is. Roy Barker 07:06 Yeah, yeah. And I can say that was one of my bad parenting skills was you know, because we would go out we get the kids one of those, that the pots like that, of course, I would come home and eat mine before they even get the spoon out of the drawer. You know, and they were like normal eating people. So they might take a few spoonfuls out and be like, Oh, I'm gonna save this for later, may put it in a freezer, well, then when they get sent to bed and I get hungry at night, you know, I'd go in there and scrounge around and eat one of theirs, you know, then they get up all hacked off the next morning and my daughter she finally caught on. And so she'd start buying flavors that do I didn't like and wouldn't go in there and eat. Yeah. So anyway, you know, I think, I think our you know, it's, I don't, like I said, I'm not placing blame, but I think it's just patterns that we have grown up with in our lives that, you know, some of us have probably taken to the extremes and don't do well with and so, you know, that's part of what I'm trying to do is, you know, the ice cream has to go. But you know, it's funny, even now To this day, you know, sometimes when I you know, I'll be out working in the backyard, and I'll come in like, Oh, you know what, why don't we go get an ice cream, you know, goes to the store. That's just my go to thing. So. Sherry 08:24 Right. But what's funny about what you just said about let's have ice cream, and about blaming, I never blamed anybody. Because honestly, when you sit and you look back at why you do the things you do, it all comes from a place of love. Because our parents, our parents didn't know any better. That's what they did. So they taught us what they knew. But for some of us like me, it was you can eat it when we say you can but then there's other times when you can't, because you're getting a little too chubby. Yeah, yeah. You know, but I will say that the ice cream. You're right, right. It has to go. Roy Barker 09:02 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's gone. It's hard, but Terry's good about helping me with that for sure. Terry 09:09 Oh my gosh, I try not to have any snacky anything. You know, it's hard. You have to have snacks. You just have to have good smell. I know. She means Ron. Yeah, I just mean Yeah, the the bad stuff. Sherry 09:24 I'm gonna send you a recipe that's delicious. For dark chocolate peanut butter cups. And they're made with almond butter and they taste the next best thing to Reese's Peanut Butter Cups. And that can take place of the ice cream. Terry 09:39 Okay, I want that. I want that because I am a peanut butter chocolate person when you're talking about the Haagen dazs peanut butter chocolate that was mine. That was my go to Sherry 09:50 write in fact, when I make them which I don't very often but I make them when I feel like I need something sweet because I eat dark chocolate. Yeah, and um When I make it, it makes like 24 or 30 pieces, and I will eat two or three at a time. And I can't do that. So I give most of it away to my neighbor or a friend. And then I keep like five pieces. So I eat it once in a while, because it'll keep for a month. Roy Barker 10:15 Right? Okay, good. So when you when you decided to make the change, you know, I understand the points that led up to it. So what are some things that you did? I guess, you know, in the first few days, or first few weeks, what are some of those initial steps that you took that you've been able to stick with? Sherry 10:35 Well, I would say a lot of it was that mentally, I made a decision. Because I realized that you know, as much as we don't want to admit it, situations that I've been in, or people I've been around, or relationships, whatever it is, that aren't really good for me. There's people that are trying to enable us, you know, and being around the food police. And I noticed that it was around food police, if you like, are you supposed to be eating that? Well, meanwhile, they shouldn't be eating it either. And you don't I mean, if they're saying to me, sure, they're watching me what I'm doing. And I decided I wasn't going to tell anybody what I'm doing, I'm just going to do it. Because then you don't have to listen to anything anybody has to say because it doesn't matter. But what's interesting is, then when you start to change, some people don't like the change that you're making. So they're not supportive. And I made a decision that I'm the only one to be going forward in my life around people that are supportive of me, that are my cheerleaders that want me to do better in life. And if I make a mistake, they're going to say to me, you know what, here's where you missteps. But I'm still your friend, and I love you. And that's the kind of people I want around in my life going forward, not the NACA people who are creating all this negative energy and Oh, woe is me. And, you know, because they don't want, they don't want to change or no, they should they try to make me feel bad. Because I did know, this isn't about this isn't about anything else. I did the work. And that's it. And I and I never say to anybody else ever when I go anywhere, and anybody who knows me will attest to it. I never say to people, you know, you shouldn't be eating that. That's not good for you. I never say that. Because people have to live my mother used to always tell me you have to live and let live. Right. And whatever you do, you do Just don't tell me what I should be doing. Because obviously what I'm doing is working. Roy Barker 12:36 That's right. Yeah, no, it's it's become a lot more important, not only in this journey, but in a lot of things, a lot of other things that we're going through, it's just, you know, you got to stay in your own lane, run your own race and right you can't and I think you know, in business we talk about you are the some parts financially and in your career, but were the people you surround yourself the five people you surround yourself with, you know, that their average income as well as is and but I think it's the same in this wellness journey as well. We have to really protect ourselves from all this negative influx that others can tend to get to you. And it's it's okay to be selfish and say, You know what, we just don't want to be around, we can still love you. We can still like you. But we don't have to be around that constant barrage of negative. And, you know, I understand that. Because sometimes I take it as a backhanded passive aggressive, like, Oh, well, you know, I know that you're eating a certain way. So we cook this or, you know, what can you eat on your certain D and I'm like, you know, there's really no certain deal. It's just, you know, for us, we're not on anybody's plan or anything, we're just trying to eat healthy, trying to do more, you know, plant base, not that we've cut out all meat or fish or whatever, we still have it if we want it in a good combination. But instead of making the meat the focal point of the meal, you know, more the plants the focal point of the meal and then a little bit of protein But anyway, it's not. I Sherry 14:17 guess, it's not about the meat in it. I eat grass fed beef. I eat fish. I just don't eat chicken because it's a preference. I don't eat turkey. I eat omega three eggs. So you can still you see that's the misconception. plant based means you can't have anything that's meat or fish. No, you can. But you see the people that are saying that to you, boy, they're going I know I shouldn't be eating this. But let's make it about you. Right. Right. Good for you that you don't respond. Roy Barker 14:49 Yeah, I mean, I just have to say look, this, it's we're just on a path of our own environment. To be honest, if I want a piece of chocolate cake, I'm going to sit down and eat one Should I eat one? And do I choose not to try very hard? Yes, the past that stuff up. But you know, I think the point that we tell ourselves are try to tell ourselves, you can't do something. You know, some of us are strong willed enough to say, I will show you that I can eat not only one piece of that cake I can play. Terry 15:20 Oh my gosh, you tell me I can't do something I'm doing. Sherry 15:24 Yeah, I understand that. I'm a rebel child, when you know every time you tell me. No, no, it's been my favorite words. since I was three years old. All you have to do is tell me No. And inside. I'm going really? Terry 15:36 Show You heard me too. I so do that. Oh, my gosh. Roy Barker 15:42 Oh, go ahead. No, I was gonna go ahead. Terry 15:45 Oh, no, I just wanted to talk. Okay, so you said that you are you? You have hashimotos? Is that correct? Correct. Sherry 15:53 Sorry, I'm hyperthyroidism. My thyroid doesn't move. Really? Terry 15:58 Yeah, that's this the same as me, you know, I I have been taking, let's see, when was I diagnosed probably 2020 to 25 years ago with that. And I, I do like you I did, I'd lost about three or four years ago, I lost about 8590 pounds. Wow, I just quit taking every medication I was on. And the separate was one of them. But I did end up going back on it because because my blood work showed that I need to and I fluctuated you know, five to 10 pounds here and there more. But I've tried to balance like Roy's type two diabetes with my hyperthyroid his and his hypertension, you know, trying to incorporate everything all in one meal for you know, to address those certain situations. It can you do that? Do you have to address every thing? No, currently can it all? It all can kind of be the same thing? Do you have any words of wisdom for that? Because? Sherry 17:19 And the answer is yes. Yes. And yes. There. It's one program for everything. Okay. Okay. So for me, I can't get off my thyroid medicine. The only thing that's happened to me which is good, is I you know, that's my goal is to get off of it. But I don't think I really ever will because I should have taken it when I was a kid. But our our doctor told my mom when I was a preteen and going through puberty, that No, it's just baby fat, and she'll grow out of it. We don't need to test your thyroid and my mom listened to him. And I didn't get diagnosed until I was almost I was 4041. My hair was falling out and I didn't have any energy. And I was sleeping at five o'clock in the afternoon. So I went to the doctor and found out that my thyroid completely shut down. And I started taking medicine. So I've been taking it for 27 years. But I am going to tell you that hypothyroidism, any kind of thyroid, autoimmune, any autoimmune disease, it doesn't matter what it is high blood pressure, diabetes, anything that you take any medication for, other than maybe an occasional aspirin is all about the food. And this is like you know what, we've talked about a million times about food being medicine. I used to go Oh, yeah, I'm so sick of hearing food is medicine. And guess what? I was such now. Now I'm almost like a hypocrite because no, really because food is medicine. Like what was wrong with me? I wasn't I didn't need I wasn't ready to listen. But you too, and everybody in the world that wants to eat better. All you have to do. There are certain foods that I teach you in my course you just have to let go of and everybody thinks this is a horrible thing. Like people say to me, does that mean I can eat cottage cheese every day with canned pears for lunch? That's right, you can't. So if that's so terrible to give up? Because you're going to swap it with food that's going to not only keep you full longer, it's going to take away your cravings. Yes, just give me one week to show you. And I promise you everybody feels better. My primary care physician Terry 19:34 is on my program. That's amazing. When I read that, oh my gosh. How did that transpire? Me You went in Sherry 19:41 and I inspired her because because I'm the one she's the one that told me I was knocking on the diabetic door. Terry 19:48 And then, Sherry 19:49 you know, and every year I come back and she's like, Oh my god, and then when I came back a few years ago, she's like Sherry, you are like an inspiration. She only needs Lose maybe eight pounds. But she told me she's got a lot of belly fat. It's because she's stressed out and all kinds of other things. And then she's not eating good. So she's she said, I need to be on your program because I know you know what you're talking about. And I need to listen to you. I was like, Terry 20:16 I was floored. That is a great, Oh, my gosh, you can't get a better endorsement than that. Sherry 20:23 Yeah, and she doesn't have she's not on any social media. So I can't get her to do a testimonial. But right now she's going through some personal things. So you know, the only thing that I have is I have her permission, but I don't really want to do it is to show her email that says, I need to be on your program. I'm bloated. And you know, and she gave me permission to talk about it. But I don't really like to put people's business out there. You know what I mean? Terry 20:51 Yeah. Right. Yeah. Roy Barker 20:55 Also, what are some other long term things or, you know, as we start through this journey, you know, I know that we we start down one path and like us, you know, we've made not major shifts, but we just, you know, we try to shift a little bit to make things work out for us. So, what are some other things that you've done for yourself? Sherry 21:19 So one of the things that I think everybody needs to do, you know, one of the reasons I put together my plan is people would say to me, Wow, you look so good. You probably, you know, feel like on top of the world, and honestly, the best part of losing 103 pounds is no lie. When I look in the mirror, I go, yeah, you look good. But I'm not I'm not the type of person that goes, Oh, yeah, you're like all that and a bag of chips? I really No, really, I'm not like that. The thing that's so rewarding for me is that I have never felt healthier. Because one of the things that I that happen is people were saying to me, you know, I'm so busy. I'm so busy, I can't do this, I can't do that. And I thought, Wait a minute, this is why everybody's running around with their chicken with their heads like a chicken. Okay, what's the same chicken with their heads? Thank you. Oh, my gosh. And I said, It's not easy if it was easy with people do it. So I made it so easy that if a six year old in your house can read my food list, anybody can do it, I made it so easy. That was a and b, I realized that people have to make time, you can't get up and work 14 hours and take care of kids and do this and do that you have to take an hour a day, you have to go for a walk, you have to do some kind of exercise. Because once you start eating better, doing better, thinking better and moving a little better, your brain becomes clear. And you think better, right? And the next thing you know, everything in life is skipping along and all of a sudden, you go Wow, I've never been this happy with this much energy on top of the world I could do, there isn't anything I can't do. And that's how I feel. So you have to do Terry 23:10 a little bit of everything. And sleep is a huge component as well, I'm you Roy Barker 23:17 should have we should have just muted or when I had the chance, Terry 23:21 oh my god, he can stay up till you know, one two o'clock in the morning. Because he has to get so many things done on his list. But then he'll just be so exhausted, he'll come to bed, you know, and of course, he's a dude. So he falls asleep at the drop of a hat. You know, as soon as his head hits the pillow, he's out. And then, you know, then then a few hours later, he's up again, trying, you know, and I know, well, I have issues with it too. But Sleep Sleep is just such an important component of being able to complete, complete the whole picture, you know? Sherry 24:01 Well, I am gonna say you're absolutely correct, Terry, but I understand why. Terry 24:07 Sorry. Well, I Sherry 24:08 understand how Roy is because I used to be like that. I was like that at a time in my life. Where it was like one more thing and one more thing. And one more thing. And before I knew it when I was in my late 40s. I was suffering from sleep deprivation. Because I was going going going I was telling people Oh yeah, I can get away with four hours of sleep. No. And then when you cut out all the noise around you, and you try to go to sleep and you start eating cleaner, you get tired. You go to sleep, I sleep seven hours a night, sometimes eight, and I never I hardly ever wake up I sleep like a child. Roy Barker 24:50 Yeah, and it's to me sleep. And I know this and you know Terry's jokingly given me a hard time because I know this sleep is a bad term. For me, because when I wake up in the morning a little bit tired, then I want to eat more all day or, you know, at 10 o'clock at night when I've got a few more things I want to do, like if I just have that snack, so it to me, it sets off really bad eating habits. And I trade it. I've said this before, I think on an earlier episode, but I traded in my bigger, well known watch fitness watch. And I just didn't like it because I didn't use the bells and whistles on it went back to the Fitbit. And they have got a really good sleep score component. And I actually hit an 83 last Wednesday night, I was so excited because usually not that good. But anyway, I've really tried to start monitoring all of this, because we there's an old saying in business, you know, we can't change what we don't monitor. And I think that's good for us in health, the sleep, the steps, the blood sugar, you know, all of these different things that we may know about that we need to monitor because you know, when I have some really bad sleep scores, my next days are not that good, because I'm tired. The brain fog eating worse than I don't want to exercise because I'm tired. And I've eaten but it's just Sherry 26:14 And can I just say one other thing for you, Roy, because you do have diabetes, that not sleeping produces more cortisol, the cortisol in your produces belly fat. And when you have diabetes, it's not good. So you're producing more cortisol by not sleeping good. And that's why the brain fog and everything else I know about the brain fog, when I remember, when I was in my like, late 40s, early 50s. I was working for a big telecommunications company. And I was working 1012 hours a day at home, working, working, working. And then I would go out at night with my friends and eat pasta. And I get up in the morning. And I felt like I was in a coma from food. But it's a food coma. Right. And so you really need you should be careful, because that is a that is a key that's going to be key with you along with food. Roy Barker 27:14 Yeah, and I noticed the last month has been terrible. We've just been assaulted by ones and zeros of the world, the digital stress that we've been through has been crazy. But you know, I had very little sleep. And I noticed that my blood sugar was extremely high. And extremely pro long time I was having trouble controlling it. But it's funny, because that night, you know, last week when I finally there was a couple nights in a row that I was pretty close to being in the 80s my blood sugar was way down, it was much more easier to manage. So definitely saw that for sure. And in the food coma, you know, like ours around here is going to the Mexican food restaurant with the chips. And the Margarita is they have a lot of these flavored ones, they have this syrup. That's just very, very sweet. And so what I would notice is the next morning when I would wake up, you know, sometimes it'd be till like 10 o'clock, my head would be so clogged up. I think I have a food allergy too, because I could actually, you know, it's just like a some kind of allergy that my head would be so stopped up till 10 or 11 in the morning before I can finally get out from under that. Sherry 28:31 Well listen, nobody loves chips and salsa and some beers better than the other Not anymore. But you could still go out and drink and have fun. You just can't drink margaritas. Right? What you drink tequila? Roy Barker 28:49 Well, that's what we talked about, you know, it's been a month or so ago. We maybe as a table it was it was May 5, we went up to the local restaurant and we were eating had a margarita too and came home the next day felt bad. And I just told Terry, I'm like, okay, here's the thing. We went up there for socialization for me and you to, for me and her to sit and talk. We didn't need the chips or the Margarita, you know, why can't this is the thing for me. I'm not saying everybody but for me, why can I realize that? It's fun to go up there and sit on the patio and enjoy. I could do that with a glass of water glass of tea and eating a piece of grilled chicken or a taco salad, you know, make healthier choices, be in the same atmosphere and have just as much fun. It just doesn't sound that much fun. Sherry 29:38 But it is but you're absolutely right. Because I go out and I go out to eat and I go out with my friends. And you know one of the things that we'll say about alcohol is that depending on how long you've been drinking, you get to be a certain age and I noticed this when I was starting to eat cleaner, that drinking a beer was horrible and doing different things. And so I stopped doing it. And the only thing, the only alcohol that I like to drink, I like to drink champagne, and I like to drink tequila, and champagne, you can only have one glass. So I cut that out. Because if I can't have at least two, sometimes three, then it's not a celebration. Right? And so now I just drink, I could sit by tequila for a couple hours, and I'm good. But when I feel like going out and drinking, you know, which isn't very often, I'll have more than one. But that's it, because then I know how I need to eat during the day. So I don't have to worry about the scale. And and I never do because you don't have to count calories on my program, you just have to eat clean in you know, certain times of the day. That's all it's so easy. I mean, it's so easy. Roy Barker 30:53 Yeah, and people don't think about the caloric content. I'm not a big drinker. Anyway, we may go out once in a while and have one but, you know, I referenced this as a friend that she had had the lap band put on and we used to my high school class used to meet every Thursday night, you know, we just have a little get together. And she had had the lap band in, she got to where she started gaining weight. But what I noticed was that these little get together, she you know, she might have three or four of these margaritas. And so I asked the guy one time, not in front of her one trying to embarrass her, but I asked the guy, what's the caloric content of those things? never really thought about it? About 12 to 1500. So, you know, or somebody that was assuming, you know, 4500 calories, just in drinks alone in one evening. And so, you know, we don't think about our I don't never really thought about the impact of things like that. Sherry 31:52 Yeah, it does have an impact. And as you get older, you can't I mean, for me, I rarely drink. Um, and I don't feel like it because it feels different now that my body feels so healthy. It actually gets in the way. Terry 32:09 Oh, yeah. That That makes a lot of sense. Well, and, and really, it's not too late, ever to start. Sherry 32:19 This thing, nobody knows that better than me. You know, I started in my 60s. And everything fantastic in my life, including my program, and my business partner, Karen and working with her and everything we're doing together, this is going to be when everybody's retiring and hanging out, I'm doing exactly the opposite. I'm going to be working and having the best next five to seven years in my life. And then I'm good. And you found something that you love to do. And some people it takes a lifetime to do or they never find that balance, you know, to do something that they love. And to make a living at it. No. Well, I always knew I'd wind up here, I just didn't know when it really because my whole life when when I this is why I teach people about living your life from the inside out. When I look around me now and this isn't a bad thing. And I'm not saying anything bad about anyone. So I want to make it very clear. But for me personally, when everybody was chasing the marrying the richest guy and having the most money and having the cars that everybody says oh, look what you can afford. That stuff is all nice look, I like nice things like everybody else, but I wasn't chasing it. I was chasing happiness and being myself and being who I am. And you know, I moved away from home when I was young, and all that stuff. I just wanted to be on the journey of me. And here I am at 67 and I'm the best I'm standing in the best legs I have ever been in and doing exactly what I love and want to do for the rest of my life. And I I couldn't be happier. Roy Barker 34:06 Now that's awesome. It's an awesome thing to remember sometimes when we ask ourselves but why if the Why is just the money or the fame or the fortune probably need to rethink that when you because you know when you get to a certain age like like I am you start realizing it's the relationships it's the time you know, like yesterday. I hope that told the story once I hope it's not repeating myself if I am you can stop me but you know we had a taping that canceled yesterday afternoon so we loaded up the dogs and just went for a walk and it was the best thing you know, we haven't done that in for ever. But you know, try it. I guess this last week you know making a resurgence and thinking about us more our health and doing those but instead of us saying hey, let's go eat somewhere was like, let's go for a walk somewhere. And it was a much better decision for us. Sherry 34:58 Well, yeah, and you change the person of your brain. I'm going to tell you every single day, every single day I fit it in, whether it's morning, afternoon, the evening, it doesn't matter. I take my headphones and plug them into my phone, and I go for an hour to a two hour walk every day and listen to music and think and read, it just resets your brain and you think about all kinds of things. instead of staying up half the night, go for a walk and listen to music or just sit down and meditate or go sit outside in the backyard and lay in the grass, you know, anything, just something that's completely different. And you'll see how your perspective and everything changes. Right? Exactly. Terry 35:41 Yeah, that's that's really important. And meditation, you know, we've been getting into meditation a lot more. Well, this year for sure. But that helps so much. And I gotta tell you, I I love to listen to loud music with my headphones. But I love to scream, sing and I try not to do it to Roy but every once in a while I'll blurt something out. off key for sure. But I just love to scream sing and my you know, if I'm in my car, I'm like, I'm cranking it up. And that release. Oh, there's nothing like it. It's awesome. Sherry 36:18 I love it. I do that to me. That's all I do. I just blast the music and let's go right. Terry 36:24 That'd be fun. And somebody walk in, you know, scream sing. I'm gonna have to try that one. I'll do it with Roy. That'll be fun. We'll get some good looks. Sherry 36:33 Well, two guys, you don't live closer. I would go walk with you every day. Hey, Terry 36:37 I come out that way. I'm calling you. Alright, let's go. Okay. Roy Barker 36:41 So before we start wrapping up, the one thing y'all are talking about I was interested in is the thyroid issue. Are there certain things that are good bad that you have to watch for that? Or is that just something that medication is really all you can do for it. Sherry 36:59 Um, now, for me, when I was when I thought I was doing when I was trying to lose weight, you know, and maybe yo yo dieting, I noticed that I was eating certain foods. And even though I was losing weight, my belly was so fat. And I still had that belly fat, which is, you know, like we talked about before, that creates illnesses. That's where the illnesses start, you know, in your, in your gut. And so for me, the medicine is very important. But the foods that for sure, you have to cut out you have to cut out sugar, and you have to cut out wheat. I don't care if the doctor tells you because you're diabetic, you should eat oatmeal or a piece of wheat toast for breakfast. I'm going to tell you don't do it. Okay. I mean, those kinds of things, you know, anything White is horrible when you have diabetes, it's horrible. It's horrible for all of us. Because there's a saying, if it's white, it's not right. Terry 37:56 Yeah, I've heard that. Right. I mean, all the starches, all the everything. Sherry 38:03 And it's not about keto. And it's not about calories. And it's not, it's about only one thing, and I can't give away all the tea. But I am going to tell you that it's the one thing that's on my food list that you can't it's left out of every single food. And that's the key to having a healthy inside so that you can live from the inside out. Right. Okay. Terry 38:27 Okay. Yeah. And well, I was gonna say, and I had heard about the wheat as well. And then the sugar and the sugar. Yeah, the white everything white. Yeah, we had had, Roy Barker 38:39 I don't want to know that. No, I just anyone interrupt but the we had an eye doctor on. And he was saying, and I don't know that you'd have to go listen to the episode because there's a lot of probably doctor terms in there. But something about he cut out the wheat and everything in the dairy in the morning. And he started having him a smoothie that you know, was based on kale or spinach and some other things, you know, maybe some berries in the right quantity. But there's a there's another score that you get for your eyes. And, you know, he said that this improved their score by not having that wheat in the morning for breakfast, that it was really detrimental. And him and his wife took whatever they took this test together and scored like what 10 or 11 Yeah, and I think he said most people were down like six or seven or eight. But anyway, you know, there's a lot of other besides just the weight and how we feel there's a lot of other implications to other functions of our body that go along with this food as well. Sherry 39:49 Exactly. And you know what i what the doctor said. I'm sure all of it is true, because the things that you swap out the foods that you swap out for, you know, Like a piece of toast, or the oatmeal or the cereal with milk, you'd be surprised. Just within, you know, a short time you can tell the difference. As time goes on, it's very apparent when you're eating cleaner foods. Roy Barker 40:16 Yeah, and then the, a couple more things, we don't have to elaborate on it. But we've also learned that, you know, so much of our health starts in our gut, even our brain health, and that, you know, we've got to be sure and take care of that with what we're putting in. And, you know, that gets us back to the original thing that we, you know, you brought up was that food is medicine. And it really is, if we eat the right things in the right quantities, we can make ourselves so much more healthier. Sherry 40:46 Absolutely. I mean, absolutely. Because, you know, it's like what you said earlier, Roy, about the way you eat when you don't sleep good. And then you have this food, food fog, like brain fog, because you grab the wrong snack or you did something because you get a rush for a few minutes, and then it goes away. But when you're eating clean all the time, you stay fuller longer, and you don't get that kind of rush like you do from sugar, the rush you get is that you can actually feel the food. Like you can feel it in yourself. It feels so good. And you start craving good food, right? Instead of the bad food. And that's the best part was like now going and eating ice cream. It I look at it and I go I can't believe I ever did this. Like why would What? What I want to eat this. It's not even, it doesn't even appeal to me anymore. Roy Barker 41:45 I'm getting there. Not quite. I'm almost there. We don't go near near as much. So I can be glad when I would be hard standing in front of it. But I'll be glad that day when I can have the strength to stand in front of and say I'm not having that. Sherry 41:59 Well, if it doesn't come through the door and you don't put it in the freezer, you can eat it. Roy Barker 42:05 Well, yeah. Terry 42:06 I'm this doctor. Yeah. I mean, not sta lk. Er, although no. But I am the pantry Stalker and the fridge stalker. So yeah. Sherry 42:17 Well, you're, you're, you're doing a good job. But I think that you need to just let it sit in the freezer in the grocery store for somebody else. Terry 42:29 My advice away that Roy Barker 42:33 All right. Well, Sherry, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. Before we get away a couple questions. First off, what is something that you do in your daily life professional or personal, just a habit or a tool that you may use something that adds a lot of value? Sherry 42:51 Well, one of the things I do every day when I wake up is, you know, I don't meditate in the traditional way of meditating. But I get up and I sit without my phone on or anything for 10 minutes. And I just think about today is going to be a good day. And I'm grateful for everything, you know, and I do that. But then the other thing that I do is, I you know, and I've really been doing it my whole life is I get up and I'm ready for another day. And let's go and it's not going to be perfect. But let's have a good day. And let's just keep moving forward and being positive. Because if we're positive and we help other people get to where they want to go, then life is is terrific. You know, I think your attitude is really everything. Right? And move your body every day. Roy Barker 43:34 Yes, walk. Yeah, that's important. And that's something you know, especially through the pandemic, just being feeling like not feeling like I am blessed that I enjoy what I do. But that can be a curse, because I can sit here for extremely long periods of time, you know, not get up and move. But another great thing about this Fitbit is it's got a 250 step an hour reminder. So, you know, every hour, I get up, make sure I get you know, just walking around the house, just make sure I get my 250 in, right. It's it's nice because it compounds and at the end of the day, you know, I've got 2500 steps. So if we go walk in, or go to the gym, or whatever we do, you know, I've already got a pretty good, you know, start on trying to get to my numbers every day. So yeah, Terry 44:26 anyway, and a small step. That's what we've been finding out. I mean, every day more and more. It's it's beat into us that the small steps, it's all about the small steps. Sherry 44:37 Yeah, just put one foot in front of the other every day and be happy. And whatever it is that you really, really want. You really have to ask yourself, what do you really want because if you really want it bad enough, then you're going to do it. But how bad do you want to see and that's the thing I had to ask myself how bad did I want it? I want it bad enough that I needed to change and that's that The key word is change. Roy Barker 45:02 Alright, Sherry. Well, thanks again, tell everybody who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you. 45:11 So I want to work with anybody and everybody, anybody who is struggling in any area of their life, especially if it relates to food, you can go to our website, it's www.balanced organically.com. And my link is balanced with the number four life. So it's www.balanced4life.com you can send me an email at Sherry s h e r r y @balanceorganically.com, and you can go on our Facebook page. It's called balanced4life. And messaged me reach out to me and I just want people to know that for us, you know, my business partner, Karen, I'm so grateful to her every day, she she knows that she is one of the best things that ever happened to me. And for us, we do not want people to, it's not about money. So if you go on our website, and maybe you can't afford exactly the amount that I charge, just let me know. And I'll work with you. Because my thing is, I want you to be healthy. This isn't about money. It's about getting healthy. And so if being healthy is something you want to do, then get in touch with me and we will work it out with you. Roy Barker 46:24 Okay, all right. And we'll be sure to put all that in the show notes as well, so y'all can reach out to Sherry, again, thank you so much. It's been very informative. We appreciate it very much. Sherry 46:34 You guys are the best I had such a good time. And you know what, even after this, please reach out to me for anything, I am going to send you the recipe. But honestly, I know and I said this to you in the beginning, we were meant to be friends and stick together. Alright. Roy Barker 46:52 Almost every reason we love doing these shows is because we meet so many fantastic people from all over the world that we wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. So it's always a blessing for us to meet people like yourself. So thank you for guys. Thank you. Thank Sherry 47:06 you for everything you guys do the best and have a lovely lovely day. Roy Barker 47:09 Okay, thanks. that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course I am your host Roy and I'm Terry, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, we're not on one that you listened to please reach out we'd be glad to add that to make listening easier for you. We're also on all the major social media platforms probably hang out on Instagram a little bit more than anywhere else. So please reach out there if you'd like to interact. Also, a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when the episode goes live. So be sure and check that out. Till next time. Take care of yourself and take care of your health. www.balance4life.com www.feedingfatty.com
Resolute Mindset and Laughter Have An Inherently Positive Correlation Featuring Cathy Nesbitt Laughter might be a miracle cure for a lot of things that ail us. The best parts are that it's free and contagious. When we laugh a deep belly laugh it makes us breathe in very deep bringing more much-needed oxygen. A lot of breath to shallow anyway. You actually burn calories as well kicking your brain into high gear. Also leads to an endorphin boost. About Cathy Cathy Nesbitt is a Worm Advocate & Founder of Cathy's Crawly Composters (est 2002). This environmental business specializes in vermicomposting. Laughter wellness is her latest offering. Simple solutions for today's challenges. Worm composting, sprout growing, and laughter yoga. Cathy Nesbitt is a certified Laughter Yoga Leader, Teacher. 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Cathy's Club Website www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Resolute Mindset and Laughter Have An Inherently Positive Correlation Featuring Cathy Nesbitt Sun, 7/11 11:36AM • 59:19 SUMMARY KEYWORDS laughter, laughter yoga, people, laugh, worms, sprouts, cathy, stress, thinking, cuckoo, important, called, life, terry, mung beans, enzymes, roy, tapping, composting, assisted living SPEAKERS Cathy, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty This is Roy necessary so we are talking about this podcast consist of chronicling our journey through wellness and you know in the beginning we started out with more of what we ate our diet not a diet but our diet and we've kind of moved you know into exercise and now we've really focused a lot on mindset because making any sustainable changes you know it just has to begin in our mind before we can really achieve it over long periods of time and that's one thing you know we talked about we struggle with we can do most anything for a month two months, three months but you know, we need to do things and put it together for many many years to come. So anyway, from what we do is we have guests on periodically experts in the field and then we also do you know some of our updates as well when those are needed but today is no different. We have an awesome guests, Kathy and I will let Terry introduce her. Terry 01:10 Hi Cathy Cathy Nesbitt is a health and wellness advocate. She's the founder of Cathy's Crawley composters, Cathy sprouts and Cathy's laughter club. She is a certified laughter yoga teacher appointed laughter ambassador. And since 19 or since, excuse me since 2015. Cathy has been leading laughter sessions at assisted living facilities, summer camps and other venues. She shares her energy passion, generosity and vast professional experience to help you take advantage of the natural health benefits of yeah laughter yoga. She's she is a worm advocate and founder of the Cathy Crawley composters, which I mentioned recently or earlier. This environmental business specializes in Vermont composting, I've been practicing that word left. Laughter wellness is the latest offering. Cathy, welcome to the show. I just butchered all of it. I was trying to read from everywhere because you have so many things going on. But I want to get the verb vermicomposting. How are you doing today? Cathy 02:22 Thank you. Thank you. I'm so excited to be on your podcast. Terry 02:25 Thank you. Oh, my gosh. I also wanted to mention you're a multi award winning environmental innovator. Cathy 02:31 I love that bio that I wrote. Terry 02:37 Well, you did and then I kind of picked it out here. So how did you get started with? Well, start wherever you want to you want to start with the words. Cathy 02:48 Let's just start Let me tell you what my working title is. Okay. Please. My working title is Cathy Crawley laughing being queen. So waiting for all of that you just offered right worms for amending the soil sprouts for eating and laughter for overall health and wellness. So I started my worm enterprise back in 2002. And just quickly to get into how that happened. I'm located in Canada, just north of Toronto, largest city in the country. Our landfill closed in 2002. you sitting down? I see you are starting. We started shipping garbage to Michigan from Canada. Oh, sorry. I know not my fault. Not me, the government. My government and your government by the way. Yeah, yeah. No, no, they didn't do right. They made in a business arrangement. So we So shame on us as Canadians for shipping our garbage out of the country, almost 200 garbage trucks every day from the Toronto to Michigan. like Wow, thank you. Well, it's shopping 1000 trucks a week like holy. What are we thinking as people? So shame on us for shipping our garbage out of the country but double shame on the Americans for accepting our garbage for cash? Like what? Who would who would? Oh, let's take the Canadian garbage because they got to get rid of it. There's this right. We're only the second largest country in the world. Terry 04:17 Running anywhere. Apparently, Roy Barker 04:19 I was just gonna say it's not like we don't have enough of our own garbage that we can't deal with. Cathy 04:24 Anyway, I'm not for that like that. That's the shameful part. That's the part that's the base. That's what gave me my driver that time like that is what is happening. And as of guard, avid gardener and composter, I knew that I had a solution and indoor solution in Canada we have winter people don't want to compost outside in the winter. So this is indoor composting worms in the house. So in hot places like Texas. Right. Outdoor composting can be a challenge because it gets too hot. It dries out right So indoors the perfect solution, if you live in cottage country and you have bears or cougars or some kind of wildlife, you don't want to compost outside sending your Okay kids go put the stuff in the compost, or you might be taking your own life inheritance. So this is a solution for everywhere. So back to Toronto. So 6 million people in the Greater Toronto Area, half living in condos, townhouses without space for outdoor composting. So they don't even have a solution. And yeah, so In came the worms, and I started my worm enterprise, like a whole series of things lined up for me to start my business in 2002. And by the way, that's the same year I started sprouting. So not everybody knew about worm composting, they still don't 19 years in. I'm doing my best. Yeah, so in 2002, my very first exhibit I was exhibiting, you know, at some kind of trade show, there was a gentleman selling this broder that I sent you, and it was flying off the shelf, it looks like a spaceship, right. And so I was like, Huh, why is everyone buying that thing? And they're not buying my worms. Like, you know, I really believe that I had a solution. And everybody needed what I had, but they didn't want what I had. They needed it, but they didn't want it. thing. It just is right. So there I was. I'm like, Oh, I have a solution. I got this. Okay, I've got this garbage crisis solved. Yeah, come on. And then it's like, oh, well, you know, all the naysayers. Like, oh, what if the worms get out? Is there smell that or do worms? And that was like, cool. Anyway, oh, so back to Tony. So back to the sprout growers. So when I saw I said to him, Hey, how come everyone's buying that? What is that thing? I didn't know anything about sprouts are sprouting. And he told me all the magic about sprouts. And I'll get into that in a moment. But so I was like, Oh, 2002 was a huge year in my life. And I hope that people that are listening, realize when you hear something that pings in your heart, you're like, Oh, what's that? That's, there's a message for you. There's something there for you. So I was like, Oh, this guy 72 at the time, he's 92. Now 92 still living on his own still in the business still, like super healthy. Okay, that's enough about him. It's all about me. 72 ballroom dancers. So like, super healthy, like still working 72 still working those shows. It's hard work. When out there being in standing in front of the public, right? Like, people always want to deal and you know, it's it's not easy being an entrepreneur. And I was like, wow, okay, so I was like, Okay, I'm gonna do that. So he said, if you're gonna do this, start your day with with two tablespoons of the sprouted mung beans. Here they are. Have a container here. Yummy. Day with two tablespoons every day for the enzymes. I know. We're all over the place. I hope this Okay. Terry 08:03 Here we go. Cathy 08:03 Yeah. Yeah, so So I started my own business and started eating sprouts, which is being my health plan. I didn't know but I didn't. I didn't even know that I would have a business. You know, when I worked. I would change jobs every year because I got bored. I didn't know I was an entrepreneur. I didn't have any entrepreneurs in my family. You know, I just was like, I was a secretary. And I was a great secretary, because I was chatty. And I connected everybody. And I thought that was my lot in life. So I was good at it. But I got bored. So I needed to always like, you know, I was always just looking for the next job to to conquer. Terry 08:48 I can relate to that. Oh my gosh, I've done that too. I have I have had every kind of job you can imagine. And oh, it's crazy. It's experience it is it is experience and nothing's a failure. Everything's a lesson right? Cathy 09:04 Yeah, whatever jobs that people have where it's like oh, that's it. I don't even want to say a job because all jobs are meaningful and serve a purpose at the time. And it really gives you a good training ground even if you're like oh my boss is so mean good if you're ever a boss, don't be mean. Terry 09:20 Right? Right. Oh my gosh. Kathy Crawley Laffy been queen. I love that. Okay, let's talk about I know I want to go back to that too. But we're here we are bouncing I want to talk about the laughter the lacquer, how important is laughter in life. Cathy 09:39 Oh, during this cuckoo time more important than ever really more important than ever and the laughter how I came to the last so I talked about how I got to worms. That's how the laughter came about. So here I am merrily going about wanting to put worms in every living space. I can do it. I got it. You know, it's important. People need what I have. So of course they'll eventually find that out. They'll figure it out. They're still not but okay. Terry 10:06 We have to help them assess that, you know? Cathy 10:08 Yeah. So about 10 years in, I think was about 2012. Like one more person said no worms in the house. So I was like, Oh my gosh, how am I ever gonna put worms everywhere? If people are still saying, oh, and I was just thinking, maybe I should just get a job like, it would be easier, right? Like, why am I trying to save the world? Why? Why am I doing this? Why am I caring? Like, I'm the one that put this big mission on my shoulders. I could take it off to like, okay, but worms, nope, no longer. But that, but but I know that that it's really important. So anyway, I was at a business meeting and the speaker, the first speaker introduced laughter yoga, and I don't even do yoga. I don't do yoga, like it's but I was like, laughter yoga. I love laughing, huh. So I was intrigued. And then I was at a business networking event that same week, and there was hundreds of people there. The very first woman I met was a laughter yoga teacher. Oh, Terry 11:05 wow. Okay, there you go. There's your sign. Cathy 11:09 There's your sign, right. So I'm very, I listened to those things. You know, I'm 58. Now. So after decades of not listening, you listen. Terry 11:19 I'm getting there. I'm almost. Cathy 11:22 So So I was like, wow, I said to her, oh, laughter yoga is mainstream, because I heard about it twice in one week. So you know, somehow these messages come to me sooner than other people or I hear them before other people. I don't know what what it is. But the worms, you know, sprouts, laughter all these things are here. I didn't invent any of them. I'm just marketing them better than anybody else. I'm bringing it. I'm the messenger. Yeah. So I was like, Oh, I love this. And then that woman happened to have. Toronto is a huge city. she happened to have a laughter yoga club laughter club, in the same neighborhood where my mother in law lived. And I love my mother in law. She just she recently just passed. No, it's fine. Because I came to her laughter yoga because of her. So now when I do laughter, yoga, she's there with me. So it's, don't be sad for me. So I was like, Well, hey, Mary, you want to go to this thing? And she trusted me like, even though I do these cuckoo things. She always trusted me. Right? She was like, I don't know where I'm going to go. Whenever Kathy asked me to do something, I go, because it's always going to be different. So I said, Hey, do you want to go to laughter yoga, she's like, what's that? And I said, I don't know. Let's go check it out. So we went for dinner, and she said, we better not have garlic. I said, that's their problem. So we went had dinner went to laughter yoga was weird. Like, it is an awkward. You came to my club Terry, like it's it's kind of an awkward thing, like laughing It's not jokes, or comedy or anything. It's like, Huh, but once you do it, and you actually allow yourself permission, and I will talk about it in a moment. So we went we had fun and then you know, you sleep. Well, you did. So we would go every every month that was once once a month only. Not enough but once a month. And then the club kept getting smaller and smaller. And in Toronto, it was in at one of the busiest corners like condo Ville everywhere. So 10s of 1000s of people at that corner. They just didn't know, they didn't know there was this laughing club they didn't know. So she had to close her club because she rented space and she wasn't making money, right? I mean, she was she was not a charity. So she closed her club I got sad. I was like, Okay, I need to do this. I got trained as a leader. I loved it so much. I got trained as a teacher. And now during again during this cuckoo time. I'm being called to do it so I'm doing laughter yoga, I'm getting paid gigs. My my laughter yoga has almost my income has almost replaced my worm income. Wow. Wow. Because we need it we have this mental health tsunami It was here before it's just being visible now. Now the people that are really struggling are struggling even more now because they're just on their own. They can't go any they can't see anyone or Roy Barker 14:11 and I think as we come out of this, it's it seems to be more amplified here that there's just a lot more, you know, bad acting of things. And anyway, I think, you know, I think we had some help and support through this. And then as we come out of it, it's just gonna really amplify it even more. So I think it's, it's timely. And the other part I didn't know when you're doing the introduction, I kind of went oh, wow, is delivering that into assisted living. I mean, what a great What a great thing that you know, they need that laughter because, you know, I'll just tell our personal story right quick that Terry signed up for one of your I don't know if you call them sessions or times class, so she signed up for class and, you know, I was over on the other side of the room working but I I heard her start kind of laughing and being a little hysterical. And I saw I kind of, you know, started paying more attention and just hearing the laughter. And it just made me start laughing, even though I wasn't participating. But I think the biggest thing that has come out of this is as we're out in life, and you know, something happens is like, I you know, I'm probably a little more wound tight tighter than Terry. So I'm the first one to be like, true, you know, and he can, she can see my blood pressure. Yeah, exact steam Terry 15:33 coming out of his, his collar, all that, Roy Barker 15:35 yeah. So she can recognize it, and then she will just bust out into laughter. And then it makes me start laughing. And then you forget about whatever it was. And so it's actually it's an awesome therapy, to use with other people, you know, around you in your life to kind of break that. Cathy 15:56 Oh, it's thank you for sharing. It's a magic. It's a magic potion that, you know, laughter actually was squished out of us by the ancient Greeks. Because when people are laughing, and they're connecting, and they're just like, having so much fun, you can control them. Interesting, right? So don't laugh at church. Don't laugh in school. What do you kids laughing out? Like, what are you doing? They're just laughing. They're just like, laughing that's it. Let me join them. Terry 16:22 And it was something that I mean, I didn't even know that I needed it. Kathy. I really didn't. And just and I was a little apprehensive. I mean, I am not I don't do yoga. I mean, I do a little but not, not that, you know, not like a whole class or anything like that. And I'm like, okay, laughter I love Laughter But the yoga part mom, maybe I should. And then when I when I came on, I would just like, okay, these guys are kind of kooky. Everybody's laughing there's nothing there. They're not laughing for a reason, in particular, except for it's contagious. It's just contagious. And it really did bring me a lot of energy. So every morning after I probably for the whole week, after I just, you know, in the morning, I would just go you know, and Roy, and I would just start going and did not stop for a few minutes, you know, and just periodically throughout the day, and I mean, that laughter just really does bring you a lot of energy. And you have there's an acronym DOS, what does that stand for? If that laughter brings? Cathy 17:29 Yes, laughter is the best medicine. We've all heard it and I say have you had your daily dose dopamine, oxytocin, serotonin, and endorphins, the left drugs, the left drugs, versus when we're stressed, we're not breathing properly and decreasing cortisol? You know, we need a little bit of cortisol to get us off our butts. But we're in a really stressful time. And North America even is even more tightly wound to use your word ROI than other places like we're, you know, we only get two weeks holiday. Terry 18:06 Yeah, if even that, I mean, you have to work up to that. Right. Roy Barker 18:10 Well, there's so many people that just give it back. I mean, we're in I think it's, we're in a position people feel like they can't take off because they're gonna lose traction, or, you know, their boss is gonna say, well, you're not very dedicated you're taking off for and I think you'd be surprised how many people give back their days every year even that they have not because it's like, I don't have anywhere to go or you know, because even staying at home a staycation still fun still. But I think it's that pressure that we feel that we just can't do. A lot of people can't do it Terry 18:43 that we're replaceable. Everybody, Cathy 18:46 how what what a way to live our life. That's like that's living from fear from scarcity, right? With abundance. We really do need to rejuvenate, right? Yeah. Like we're important not like put your oxygen mask on first, when you're flying the flight attendant, say it every time. Terry 19:04 Flight Attendant that was one. Roy Barker 19:07 Know, even as adults, and being a parent having kids, there's nothing more satisfying and peaceful than sitting out in the backyard and listening to your kids run and play and laugh and, you know, just that are going to a school and hearing the laughter So, you know, why do we somehow we feel like we have to grow out of that as adults? I don't know. I don't think it's that. It's, we think it's not acceptable. But I guess because we are so wrapped up in so many other things. It's just one we forget to do. Cathy 19:42 It's so serious. We really are a serious society. It's just you know, again, the competition. We got to do better. We got to do more, make more, be more. Yeah, have more, right instead of just like ha, I mean, even during this cuckoo time. How often does Somebody asked me if you've taken your vitamins Did you get outside for a walk? You know, did you connect with somebody today? Like, I'm just concerned that nobody's asking about our health. They're just not asking about our sickness. Roy Barker 20:14 Yeah, well, more is that sometimes the, the other thing is less is more. You know, and we've, in the last few years, you know, we've made a conscious decision to downsize from the things that we had, you know, especially when we had kids around, it was a different life. But now, it's like, we don't need all that stuff and things and, you know, barns full of things that we've accumulated, never use. And it's very liberating when we can break that cycle and just try to focus more on us instead of things. Cathy 20:51 Absolutely. You know, when we have a lot of stuff, then we need, like barriers to keep our stuff safe. Right? Somebody might take our stuff, or you know what I mean? Like then. So then we're thinking about all of that stuff that we have. It's, it's so liberating. To to yes to doff your stuff. Roy Barker 21:13 Yeah, that's the other thing is that whole, the importance part of you know, I never locked my door until Terry came around, and she kind of was a little freaked out about it. Like, there's really nothing in here that, you know, I would rather than take what they want, and I don't have to replace the door. No, because then it's like, you know, they break the door down. And then thanks, Devon, then. But anyway, I just think it frees us up to really concentrate on on us and our relationships. And you know, and that and that, I think that counts our relationship with ourself. We are usually the hardest on ourselves. Now, I'll cut Terry, a lot of slack. You know, don't worry about this, don't worry about that. But for me, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, you know, and it's internalized. But it's like Lana, got a lot done yesterday. But there's like five more things that I should have done. And in not celebrating, taking the time and physically celebrating what we did accomplish. Cathy 22:14 We're not we're not taught to celebrate our small wins, we're really not where we are taught write the list. And then you've got this list, but then you've got the list that you're always looking at, like you might have done those two things. But now there's two still 12 more things to do. Like, oh, I'm still a failure. You know, just like on social media, you might post something and then, like, 50 people are like, whoo, that hey, right on, that's so great or good. Congratulations. And then one person's like, you suck. And you're like, Oh, I suck. You know, like, somehow we that one person is able to burst our balloon. I don't know why Terry 22:51 kill the joy. Roy Barker 22:52 Yeah, well, and the other thing too, is that sometimes even when we achieve success, and we're on top, we can enjoy it. Because it's like, you're looking around, like, Who's gonna knock me off of this? Or how do I stay here? I can't slip back. And so it's just a, it's a perpetuating cycle of stress, to be honest. Yeah. Cathy 23:13 This is put on by ourselves, though. This is all self imposed. Right? Once we understand that it's self imposed. This this cuckoo time has allowed me Of course, like everybody a lot of time to contemplate. Contemplate tomorrow. You know, but it really is about not comparing to anybody else. It doesn't even matter what everybody has, we don't even know their story. Like it's like, oh, look at how successful they are. Who gives a crap? Are they happy? Terry 23:45 Yeah. Yeah. Roy Barker 23:46 Well, but do we really know because that's, you know, the, the joy of social media is we get to share a lot of stuff. But the other part of social medias, we don't know what's behind the scenes, like this new yacht, and I'm standing in front of in my Instagram picture. It's not even mine. I mean, I'm just I'm walking down the harbor and got in front of me, like, hey, look at my new yacht. I just bought her, you know, go to the car dealership and stand by the new car. You know, we don't know. And like you said the other bigger part is even if people have that stuff, they really happy. Yeah, who cares? Right. And we have to stay in our own lane, run our own race. If you know, we can try to get better every day and achieve those things. But it shouldn't be. You know, it's kind of like we focus on us and what are we going to do to be happy? What can we do for ourselves? Not selfishly, but healthily, I guess health wise, you know. But you know, like breathing, water, eating right, sleeping, right. You know, try to do all of those things and really focus on that and it to me, it brings us so much happiness. You know, like yesterday, we had a we had a taping in the afternoon. canceled and so, you know, I was like, go out in the backyard and trim some trees. I got this I got you know, this to my alarm. But I just had a thought that you know what, why don't we just get the dogs and go for a walk and we went and walked over to this really beautiful place and just made an act, you know, a couple hours of it and it was the very best thing taking time for us. Terry 25:22 It was nice. Yeah, free time. All right. Love it. Yeah, you never get that. Yeah. Ever Roy Barker 25:29 quote. I'm more a little more curious about the some of your results, not only from, you know, regular, what I'd say middle aged people or not, you know, younger people versus the what have some are your results been taken this into assisted living? Cathy 25:50 Thank you. Thank you for bringing it back to assisted living. Yes, I it's before my worm business, I was a social worker working with folks in assisted living. And I loved it. I had challenged with management, but you know, everyone's the expert. When you're on the front line, you got to just do stuff. But anyway, okay. But I love that leave when I left, that I was like, felt like a piece of my heart was being left there. So now I'm coming back home. And I am very intuitively guided. I was walking in the forest and got a message that I was because before COVID I was working with assisted living. And let me tell you this fabulous story. And then I'll get back to the forced walk. I hope so. If I remember down here. So there was a few nonverbal folks. And on laughter day, you know, some of the folks were by the window like, like little puppy dogs waiting. You know, they're so excited. Here she comes. Oh, it's so exciting. But they're talking. And then we get into laughing one of the activities is we blow up like a balloon like so you have your hands like this, and you breathe and breathe in breathe. And then you have this big full balloon. And what one of the nonverbal boys young men said when we got here, he was like, bang, bang, he doesn't talk. Terry 27:17 My gosh, Cathy 27:18 wow, we were just like, right, his brain was fully oxygenated. He could verbalize it was just like, wow. So anyway, that was very positive experience. Then Then COVID hit and I was like, is this gonna be able to? Can I do laughter online? I don't know. Who knows, right. And it's been so successful. I'm doing work with Alzheimers. I grew up that our early, like early onset 40s 50s 60s. And now we do it online. And we can reach people that couldn't come before they didn't have access or across Canada, people can come or even into the states, if you want to go you know, it's so beautiful. So it does make access for more people. And then so back to the forest. So I'm walking in the forest. And I was given this whole vision. And I still don't know, it's still forming. Like, I don't know how to do it, but it was given to me. Here it is your what's Here's what's coming. Okay. So I was doing laughter yoga was trade doing a training, because I'm a teacher, teaching folks with special needs. And I saw if I don't want to offend anybody with the proper term, and specifically folks with down syndrome, and I was I was actually training a friend's daughter and I haven't met her daughter. I know of her, but I didn't I don't know the daughter. So I was like, That's funny. Weird. I mean, I don't I didn't know what to make of it. But I was training that group of folks with the intent for them to train or to lead laughter sessions for their demographic. Okay. And I was like, because in Canada, I think it's at either 18 or 21. They are kicked out of school, like thanks for stopping by, then they get put on. It's like a disability pension. And it's very small amount of money. It's you can't live on that amount of money, by the way. And if they work, the money is taken off their pension. So there's no incentive to work, but they don't want to work for the money. It's to be part of society. Anyway, so that's my big goal. Anyway, so I phoned up this woman and I said, I had this weird dream, or vision or whatever you might call it in the forest. I don't know what you're gonna think of this, but I feel like I need to share it. So she connected me her daughter attends a group called San it's full access network. And it's a daily club for folks that are out of the school system, so young adults, and she hooked me up with this man who is so dedicated to these people. He just loves them so much and wants them to survive and thrive in life. So when I told him my mission, he was like, wow, okay, let's do something. I don't know if it's gonna work. So I said, let's do something for free. Let's see. Let's see if they're gonna like it. And they loved it so much. We're now in our third month, every Friday, we get together, you know, now we're just introducing it like we're just teaching them laughter yoga right now, like, not talking about training anybody right now, let's just see if anybody like it is getting benefits. The parents are loving it, that their you know, their kids are easier to get along with. They're not having flare ups. I'm giving them tips on when you do get stressed when you're just like, ah, why don't they get me that I'm teaching them to just laugh and that and doing techniques like when we get stressed the blood, lymph, oxygen leaves our brain. So these are the conductors, right? We are electricity, putting your hand on your neuron, sometimes when we're stressed, right? Where we're like, ah, how am I going to do all this stuff? overwhelmed, right? Oh, there's so many things are neurovascular is are here. So when we put our hands sometimes when people are thinking they do this, that those are the neural, right. So you just automatically so I teach them you do this, you can close the loop, putting on your on your back of your head, and then you take deep breaths. And that calms you right down. I tell people to do that before they respond on social media to interesting like, you're like, Ah, it's like, Okay, calm down, because now you're in fight, flight or freeze. Like you've gone into reptile mode. Get out of there, because that's not helpful. As soon as you press send, now you've opened up the floodgates for negativity. Right? If you're responding to something, right, Roy Barker 31:41 I just say if you think about it, really laughter is a universal language. It's something everybody knows. And even like you said, if you're non verbal, they can still probably laugh. And in that the other thing I was thinking about the for, you know, like the dementia is, is probably good for the caregivers, to know as well. Because when they you know it's in Terry can speak to it more than I can. But I know that it's a very tedious, it can be very stressful at times. And so instead of letting that stress, overwhelm you, is just laugh with. Terry 32:18 Yeah, just let it out. Because it does get, you know, you just don't think about taking care of you, especially if you're a caregiver, and all of us are in some form or another. But if you're caregiving for a dementia patient, patient on Alzheimer's patient for special needs child things, you know, you just don't take care of yourself. And it's so important that you do because who's going to take care of that person? If you're not around to do it, and you won't be you don't take care of yourself? Cathy 32:46 Absolutely. Before COVID I was actually going into long term care now, with you know, the, I don't not sure what's happening in the States, but in Canada, they're still not really allowing outdoor activities really, or like outdoor people coming in. But I was going in and they would say, you know, how many people would you like, and they kind of wheel everybody in or people would come in. So it was seated on like my classes that are and so one woman was wheeled in. And she was sleeping like she was kind of like hunched over and she was kind of sleeping, it seemed like she was sleeping her worker stayed with her the whole time. And at one point, so we're, you know, playing along doing our thing. And at one point, the worker said, look at it, she's smiling. So she wasn't playing, she didn't you know, wake up at all. She didn't open her eyes, but at one point she was smiling. So it's like, maybe she was somehow receiving that beautiful laughter energy. It's high vibration, right? When you're stressed when we're afraid when we're in a pandemic. We're just like, worried about we're afraid. And if we watch the news, we get more afraid. Like so you know, just limit your intake of news is one way but so you know, that's not helpful when we're when we're afraid I'm and by the way we cannot heal when we're in stress mode. Because we're in stress mode, we need to get like so when we're in sympathetic mode. We're not we're just again in fight flight or freeze, we need to get into parasympathetic, like, so we need to get into relaxation mode. And that's the only time that we're healing. So even if we're, if we're stressed, and we're still drinking the water eating the good stuff, we're moving exercising, we are still not doing our body any benefit, not not what we're doing benefit, but not, you know, our body's not going to receive the best benefit if we're in stress mode. Roy Barker 34:38 Yeah, definitely. And it's funny, I need to keep harping on it. But I don't think if you never do this, you don't understand the power of when Terry starts laughing. I can't help but follow along. I mean, no matter what just happened is is so infectious that you just can't not join in. And then when you do it's like You know, I guess all this luck, the dose that you were saying everything that's released, it's like, all of a sudden what you were worried about, it's really not that important anymore. All of a sudden, you're talking about this crazy person laughing. Terry 35:14 What's going on? That's around. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And Roy has an awesome I mean, he, he has a full body and laughter I'm telling you, he just goes, and I feel like I'm like, sometimes it's in my head. Sometimes it's in my diaphragm. Sometimes it's my belly. When I get a good belly laugh. That's, that's what's the most important right there. That's what really makes me feel high energy. Cathy 35:42 You want to know why? Here's why. Here's why. The more I learned about laughter, I mean, now I've been laughing full on since 2013. And you know, now the more and more and so every day, I really make sure I get a good belly laugh. And we have, we have blood. So we our heart pumps our blood, we have another fluid called lymphatic fluid. And lymph fluid only moves when we move. And we don't move very much, right? We're very sedentary people now. And so I just recent, so we got to move to move our lamp, which is really great. I've recently learned that our lymphatic fluid also moves when we do deep diaphragmatic breathing. It's kind of our diaphragms, like a pump for our limp. Yeah, so that's why so when you you know, if we're feeling tired and and, you know, depressed if we're depressed, we're not taking up very much space, right? We're small, we're maybe holding ourselves like, we're just like, take, we're just small, we're just sad. And because our cells are depressed, we don't have enough oxygen in our body. So all we need to do I mean, not all there's you probably got to deal with whatever it is that caused you to depression but but if you and not to laugh at that, I don't mean to laugh. Everything's funny. But you know, you just really got to open up you got you got to open up and then just take up more space, like, you know, just be I'm making up for it. If it's anyone listening just to the audio version, I'm opening up my whole body and you got to jump around. Like if you have a rebounder jump on that or a trampoline, or you can even just pretend like you have one. And just like bounce up and down and then your body is having, right, we can live without food and water for a few days. So I get excited. You can live without food and water for a few days. You might be grumpy and uncomfortable. We can only live without oxygen for a few minutes. And laughter forces us right Haha, you can't just Haha, you're only expelling you have to go. Yeah. I'm gonna pause. Roy Barker 38:06 But yeah, I never really thought about it. So you said that but you know, sometimes when you are in that stress, you know, you're kind of hunched over in just tighter Krillin frame. Yeah. But when you do laugh it it kind of makes you throw your shoulders back, your chest puffed out and just take up more space. Yeah, Cathy 38:26 yeah, just take up more space. Because then you're you're right, then your cells are taken up more space. That's, that's what we want. Terry 38:35 I love it. Roy Barker 38:35 Yeah, no, I think this is awesome. And we need to, it's like, we all need to do it. The other thing it does is it kind of gives us a break from taking ourselves and our life so serious for just about five minutes, Terry 38:51 wrapped up in your own stuff and, and everybody else's around you that you just don't realize that you're not breathing and, and opening up. You're just curling back into your ball, you know? Roy Barker 39:04 Well, I used to have a sign on my desk that people would laugh about. I had like, I don't know, 10 things, you know, sweat for the day, learn something new laugh and then I had breathe. And people say, Oh, you got to remind yourself to breathe and be like, No, but I have to remind myself to breathe that deep breath in. Because, you know, I think a lot of us are very shallow breathers. And so getting that oxygen and getting it that deep breath, you know, into our full body. It's very important. Cathy 39:36 It's so important. It's so important. You know, and just like any modality, you know, as a laughter yoga teacher, I bring all kinds of things. I'm a learner, I love I love new experiences and trying new things and, you know, whatever it is, I just like to try different things and so I during this time I've done all kinds of energy work. And I've incorporated that into Well, I mean, not just this time actually, since I've been doing. Do you have you heard of tapping or Emotional Freedom Technique? Terry 40:10 Yes, I have, I've kind of read a little bit about it, but I haven't gone deep. Cathy 40:16 I've been tapping since 1999. I'm so happy that it's mainstream. It's just like, the simple thing. So I get when you I don't know when you attend to my class if I did this, but there are four spots that we really ought to tap on every day. And it's here under your eyes, two fingers, just let gently This is your stomach meridian. This grounds you so then you take a couple of deep breaths here. And then release, you can release with a sigh ha, that's what I do in my class. So that's your stomach, and then your collarbone, you can either rub here or you can tap, this is your kidneys. This is k 27. You don't need to know this. But some people want to know stuff. So this is really good. And we're talking about lymph, our lymph only goes in one direction, and then it ends up here. And this is the gateway and then it dumps into our cardiovascular Can you imagine not to get into the whole cycle of the limp. That's really another whole topic. But if we, if we don't open up this gateway, then our lympho pool here. And this is not anything new. But most heart attacks happen Monday morning. About nine o'clock in the morning, that's the cycle when when the length is and the limp doesn't have a pump. So if it's blocked here, it's not able to go so then the cardiovascular cycle buggers up. Right, so so this is a really great one. And this gives you energy to so that's just do that every day. If nothing else do that. And the next one is will just stand is like on your thigh mm. So Lena how apes do this. They do that because that's your thymus. As we age, our thymus shrinks. And that's to make T cells. So anyone watching that has cancer, tap on your thymus, this isn't and then deep breathe while you're tapping. And then the last one is about a palm with down from your armpit, on your right on your ribs on both sides. That's your spleen. And so those four spots really, really great every day, attend my class. And you'll remember because Terry 42:27 now, anybody enough times that just go, just go It is an amazing experience. Cathy 42:33 Yeah. And again, I bring all those other moding healing modalities, the different things I help people like how to sleep, how to get out of stress, you know, just as one example of one way that I've incorporated laughter yoga into my life when I'm driving around, before when there was more traffic. And so I'm driving if somebody cuts me off, I've trained myself that when they cut me off, it's not like, Oh, so why did they bite you? They cut me off. You know, it's never personal, right? It's never personal, although we take it personal. Right? So I'm like, Oh, they cut me off. It cues me to do my laughter yoga. So I'm like, right. So the person thinks that I'm angry because I'm flailing around. And so they're looking I so I get I'm not kidding. I get extra space. Because they're like that, that chicks Cuckoo. And I arrive at my destination. I'm like, Ah, good. I feel great. I'm arrived. I'm like, yeah, ready for my meeting? Terry 43:41 Brian, I'm gonna be waiting for you to give him Cathy 43:47 It changes everything. It changes everything. And you know, it's not laughing at a negative situation. Now, there's a documentary that I would encourage people to watch. It's called laugh ology. And it's by by by Albert neuro nurnberg. Yeah, I think that's his name. Sorry, Albert. If I didn't say your last name, right. He was doing this documentary and he went to India to interview Dr. Medan. cutera, the founder of laughter yoga to 26th anniversary. I don't think I said all this yet. So he went to interview him about laughter yoga, and it was the day after the Mumbai bombings. Oh, so he was like, oh, like Ah, I guess I guess we can't and it was in Mumbai there was gonna be so it's like I guess we can't do it. So you'll see if you watch the documentary and it's online. I think you can watch it online for free. You'll see it they the the bombings are in the background how to do and Doc, Dr. Qatari was like no, we have to do it. We have to do it because we need we need this right now. We're really stressed and we need to bring a little bit of levity even though it's not laughing at the bombings. It's laughing because of the bombings so that they could heal from it. Roy Barker 45:00 Powerful. Yeah, I know he is. And I don't think we, you know, there's a lot of science on that, like you said, holding that stress in from whether it's the bombings or a driver or bad service somewhere that we hold that in and it can make us it can really advance illnesses that we have, it doesn't let us heal, like you said, and then it can actually cause us to be sick. I mean, a lot of people just carry so much stress around that they just perpetually sick, more susceptible to, you know, colds and viruses and things like that. So, a lot of science behind this just, you got it, we got to laugh it off and get out of that stressful place that we're in, nothing helps more than, and, you know, I'm blessed to have Terry in my life that it because it's even better when you have somebody to laugh with. Because, you know, sometimes we're not always aware that we really needed or that we're going into that bad place where our partner can be like, hey, let's, let's have a little laughter here. We got to get break out of this for just a minute. Terry 46:03 And laugh at. I mean, you know, me, I laugh at myself, I you know, I laugh at myself all the time. Mostly, it's, I would say, a little bit of it is self deprecating, but it you know, I can laugh at myself, but I can laugh at Roy to it. Especially laughing You know, he is just he's just funny. He's just, he's just funny and he doesn't even know it. And I know I don't mean that in a bad way. Cathy 46:37 You know, earlier, Roy when you said that you didn't used to lock your door and then until Terry came along, I thought you had precious cargo then keep you safe. You know what happens when we you were talking about people carrying around stress? Here's what happens. Here's what happens. Let me tell you what happens when when we have when we experience some kind of traumatic experience, experience experience twice a month since that's. So what happens is we take a deep breath in like, like something was shocking. So it gets and then it gets into our body if we don't deal with it at that moment, or very shortly after, it just becomes part of our belly. And then the next one on top and on top and on top. So when a rabbit gets chased by a predator if it survives, it will go under a tree and shake because you know that's pretty traumatic. You well you made you escaped that one, rabbit. So they shake that trauma energy off. We don't we don't shake we just hold it in. We're like, Oh, no, I'm good. I'm okay. into Sigmar Wow, Roy Barker 47:54 I guess that once it once that settles in our belly, it probably just compounds and I mean I'm, I'm just thinking about like myself because I'm the worst at that, you know, you just suck it in, deal with it, move on. And, you know, that can probably be a lot of calls for you know, weight flow weight gain as well. Cathy 48:13 That's where I was headed. Right? Because then, then you're like, Oh, I want to be safe, like, you know, then so then you might eat things that might not be the best or you might not move as much because you're like, then you just start getting in into not into your body then you're just in your head and then your body is kind of just an appendage. Oh, Roy Barker 48:39 interesting. Cathy 48:40 I have rock hard ABS by the way and I don't do and that's just from laughter yoga. If you were here, I'd let you touch my abs Terry 48:47 gosh no, I mean if you're gonna show those off Yeah, I have to make some take a photo shoot. Coming up that kind of shows the Roy Barker 49:08 you know when you do laugh like that that full belly though it works your core i mean you can feel it all the way down three so I never really thought about that side benefit of it. Cathy 49:17 And and cheeks right cheek. Anyone that's had a good belly laugh your cheeks your maybe that you're cleaning your eyes because you're rolling down. Your cheeks are hurting. Right like look at my skin. I'm 58 I look pretty good. God. Terry 49:32 Oh my God. You do? I love that. I know. I want to make sure I know. We're kind of running up against time but I want to make sure that we talk about your sprouts too. Oh, yes, please. I have my sprouter right here. Yes ma'am. So strokkur it's Yeah, go ahead. No, no, I would please go. Cathy 49:55 Oh, so there's so the sprouts are just so that's the what I say Kathy Crawley laughing being Queen That's the being Queen part. Oh, that's right that we're talking about. Yeah, that's perfect. And so it's so sprouting is really, sprouts are the original fast food. There's like the mung beans will germinate, especially in a warm climate and overnight, you've probably experienced that. So when the, the, the root is the size of the beam, that's when they're ready. That's when they're most nutritious. So everything's there to grow that little sprout into a full, full grown plant. So it just makes sense that it's more nutritious than the full grown plant. And the mung beans are the ones that that I have as my health plan just because they are super fast. They're juicy, they're tasty. And so let me tell you some really, I'm gonna sound so smart, but here's some really wonderful words about what sprouts are. hydrating alkalizing regenerative biogenic, and they contain up to 100 times more digestive enzymes than raw vegetables. Wow. Oh, Terry 51:01 wow. Cathy 51:03 So here's the thing about enzymes and I think that's the really important piece because we could take a multivitamin if we wanted, we could eat fiber, we could do those things, all those those are all in your mung beans. Those are all in your sprouts, but the the enzyme so when we're born, we're given a certain amount of enzymes, when we're eating, if we're not eating salad or you know, sprouts, then our body's using our reserves and as we start to age we get digestive issues. We go to the doctor the doctor says here's a prescription for enzyme pills. Instead of taking a pill, like eating the like growing your own you save money you know it's healthier and these are so full of fiber that like it's like you can eat as much as you want. Oh, you can't because you actually fill up with nutrients no Terry 51:52 interesting Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean we've been trying well we've been eating as we've been eating plant based probably how long right Roy Barker 52:02 probably about two months maybe Terry 52:05 like probably since April. Roy Barker 52:08 Yeah, time is really good. Terry 52:09 I don't know you know, it's yeah times relative. But But since April as much as we can you know, at first we went full force and then it was like okay, well we can't be that stringent, you know, we got to add a little bit here and there so you know, more Mediterranean but a lot of plant based as much as we can and know that we notice a huge difference. So adding the sprouts I mean and and when I started purchasing you know groceries for that, for the plant based eating everything that cane wha all the lentils and all of the everything was like sprouted, sprouted, I'm like, Okay, do I want to sprout it? I don't know if I want sprout it, I didn't really know much about it. And I still kind of don't, but I'm just going with it. So the sprouts are that they add the enzymes and help with digestion. What? What else? What else help me. Cathy 53:09 So sometimes people will eat beans, and now they're like, Oh, am I gonna get you know, bloated and flatulence and all of that like, gains but I don't like the after effect. It's like so what happens is seeds and beans have a coating on them called phytic acid pH Why? And it's that acid that's a protection for the cedar bean. So if it gets eaten by a bird or an animal, and passes right through and then it can still grow. So so if we eat those pains, if we cook those beans without soaking them and getting rid of that so quarter or sprouting them, that coating is still on there. So the beans are good, but that acid our body doesn't know what to do with it. So then it causes bloating or you know, flat Okay, never and challenges. So when you soak them, they're called oligosaccharides. Again, I sound so smart, don't. Those are the sugars. Those are the sugars that cause flatulence, the oligosaccharides so when you when you sprout your seeds, there's fewer of those. Ah, okay. Yeah. And it opens it up. It really makes it sort of like, the seeds, like a little rock. It's like, everything's, you know, jammed in there. It's Yeah. So then you you sprout it and it just starts to come alive. And it's like, okay, now it's something Roy Barker 54:28 interesting. All right, Cathy. Well, we were running way long and not your fault. We were very interested. This is all really good information. And yeah, we appreciate you staying around a little bit longer and telling us telling us all about it. It's been great. So before we do get away a couple things, first off, what is a tool or a habit? Laughter let's put laughter aside because I know that that's something you do every day. But what is something that you do every day, that adds a lot Value either professionally or personally, Cathy 55:03 I start my day, I actually bookend my day with a little exercise routine, like just kind of some gentle stretches, some of the tapping every morning, some really gentle breaths, it only takes a five minute routine. And I do that as well before I go to bed. And those are two things that I do every day and then drinking enough water, I Roy Barker 55:30 can't even put up, I can't even tell you, I have to throw myself under the bus, say I'm the worst I can make myself do it for a few days. And then I just fall completely off the wagon on that. And it's so important. And for so many different things. It's not just for one thing, but for so many different things. So drink that water, start your day with exercise. Good advice. So tell us how well go through, I think at least three or four different things, but talk about, you know, the things that you are into how people can reach out and either purchase the product or get ahold of you if they want to partake, like in the laughter, yoga, things like that. Cathy 56:12 Yeah, I would love for people to come and experience my Tuesday laughter club. It's 930. Eastern on zoom at this time, and it's free. That's that's probably the best offering that I have. At this time, because it's so easy. And I am looking for people that are in assisted living or people that are like funders, because I am looking to do a pilot project I would really, you know, about my mission that my upcoming mission that I'm going to do that i don't know how i did contact the founder of laughter yoga, and I said, Is anybody in the world doing this? Is anybody in the world teaching people with special needs to lead laughter classes? And he said, No. So I'll do it. In my spare time, I'll do that. I would like to end by just saying I believe with my, my three branches. I have world hunger solved. And I have world peace solved. Roy Barker 57:13 Awesome. We need to get on that train. So how can they How can they reach out and get a hold of me? Cathy 57:20 I'm Cathy's club is my website for laughter Cathy's Cathy's composters.com is my worm website. And I'm all over social media like Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter. Roy Barker 57:33 Yeah. And that's we'll put all this in the show notes. But that's Cathy with a C. Thank you. Yes. Yeah. All right. Well keep us informed. We, you know, we want to know how this is going. I the the laughter part is just everybody needs to partake in that. I don't think you really understand the power of it unless you do it a few times. And then you know, taking this to the different communities like the aging community and special needs. I think that's even even a great mission. I think that's awesome. Good Terry 58:05 for you can't see. Oh my gosh, I love it. And I'm coming back. I need I need another dose. I always need one but I'm coming back. Roy Barker 58:14 Oh, that's what I was gonna say is that you'd be surprised how this works. distance, you know, remotely through zoom or you could do a FaceTime. Anyway, I guess you could even just do the audio version. It's nicer to see people but Oh, yeah, yeah, don't let the distance scare you off. You can really get a lot of benefit out of it virtually as well. Alright, then that's going to do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course. I'm Terry 58:42 your host, Roy and Terry, Roy Barker 58:44 you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, if we're not a one that you listened to reach out we'd be glad to add it. Also, we're on all the major social media platforms probably hang out mostly on Instagram. That's where you can find us if you want to reach out we also will have a video of this when this episode when it goes live you can find on YouTube as well. So Till next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. www.cathysclub.com www.feedingfatty.com
Food is Fuel and Can Be Fun, What is Your Relationship With Food? with Katie Chapmon And that's where that's weird, kind like of concrete. As you get older, and as you're potentially trying to work out of these habits it's hard. It's like, I know, these things are good for me. Let me just, yeah, there's a problem. You have these really strong connections of like, I don't know if I like this. I don't know if I have a good feeling around us. About Katie Katie Chapmon, MS, RD is an award-winning Registered Dietitian Nutritionist specializing in Bariatric Nutrition, GI Issues and Hormonal Health with 10+ years of hands-on clinical experience for leading medical providers. She is the proud recipient of the 2010 Recognized Young Dietitian of the Year Award and 2018 Excellence in Weight Management Practice Award through the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics. Katie empowers individuals and businesses alike toward the next steps in their growth. She has a virtual private practice and provides continuing education for integrated health providers. Prior to transitioning into private practice and consulting, she served as the Bariatric Nutrition Lead and Bariatric Medicine Department Manager for Kaiser Permanente Southern California. Katie is currently updating the Bariatric Surgery and Pregnancy chapter in the 3rd Edition of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics Pocket Guide to Bariatric Surgery and has presented educational webinars for various organizations. She has written numerous articles surrounding bariatric surgery and nutrition for both professional and consumer publications. Katie also served as education co-director, as well as presented at several American Society of Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery Obesity Week sessions. Katie is currently the Chair of the American Society of Metabolic and Bariatric Surgery Integrated Health Clinical Issues Committee. She has also served as a mentor with the WM DPG mentoring program to guide dietitians who are new to this exciting field. www.katiechapmon.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Food is Fuel and Can Be Fun, What is Your Relationship With Food? with Katie Chapmon, MS, RD Sat, 7/3 1:22PM • 57:37 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, people, supplements, talking, bouncer, smoothie, food, fasting, dietitian, probiotics, big, health, feel, Terry, meal, Katie, diet, support, nutrition, bacteria SPEAKERS Katie, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:08 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy Terry 00:11 This is Terry. Roy Barker 00:12 So we're the podcast that brings you a just chronicling our journey through health. And, you know here lately we've we've kind of talked a lot more about mindset. You know, we started in the beginning talking a lot about diet, not necessarily being on a diet, just our food intake. And we've talked a lot about exercise and a lot of these things. And then, you know, we also talked quite a bit about the mindset spec mindset portion of all this, trying to tie it all together to you know, lead us to a better point of wellness and also from time to time we do have professionals in the fields that come on and today is no different. So, Terry, I'm on let you introduce Katie. Terry 00:51 Yeah, Katie Chapmon is an award winning Registered Dietitian nutritionist specializing in geriatric nutrition, gi issues and hormonal health. And with 10 plus years of hands on clinical experience for leading medical providers. She's the proud recipient of the 2010 recognized young dietitian of the Year award. And 2018 excellence in weight management practice award through the Academy of Nutrition and diet, diet. Diet TEDx that right. We got it. Yeah, fine. Yeah. Katie, welcome. So, welcome to the show. We're happy to have you. Thank you. Roy Barker 01:36 Yeah, what's gonna open you know, we always have pre show talks, I was gonna comically kind of open with like, yeah, we're gonna welcome the food police on. You know, I say that tongue in cheek. You know, I know, that's kind of unfortunate. A roll that you're pushed into. And a lot of times people skew you into that. Oh, that's, you know what, I think we were, you know, kind of bantering around, but I was thinking it's more like the dietary Sherpa that you know, y'all are there to help and lead to guide to encourage to keep us from falling off the side of the mountain. You know, it's always your own journey. If you decide to make that fatal step off to the ride and have that big old piece of chocolate fudge cheesecake or, you know, whatever the it's not like, you just try to be the be there to give the good advice. But before we get way far deep into this, tell us a little bit about you know, kind of what led you here What got you interested in this? What led you to be a dietitian? Katie 02:39 Oh my gosh, it's such a great question. Um, honestly, I I did a lot of running I used a marathon run. Oh, wow. It was a Yeah, I think I did in my 20s long probably other things I did in my 20s I just noticed the aspect of how I ate and how that affected not only this major kind of piece of like, Oh yes, we got a fuel or exercise or fuel what I'm doing in that sense. But when it really really came down to it, I felt just different. Right? I felt like okay, like I feel better when I eat this way don't feel so good when I eat this way like My stomach hurts when I eat away. And so I just was fascinated with how how food affected how I felt mentally physically and decided to just dive in really deep and become a dietitian with it. Roy Barker 03:50 Oh, that's that's a good story because I think we don't give that enough thought you know we think about the weight aspect but we don't and I guess it's as I've grown older, I'm really more in tune to how I do feel and I tell you sometimes food can for me I think I have some food allergies to be honest but fruit for me can almost be like alcohol in given me a hangover in the morning and I think it's seems to be card related or you know. I'll say when we have gone to the the local Mexican food restaurant and maybe have a you know a margarita they put that really sweet syrup in it and then have some chips. It's like the next morning you know it takes me to maybe noon just to get out from under that fog. I just feel like my head is just very clogged and stopped up. So anyway, I think there's so much to Katie 04:46 ham quietly, completely. And I know I sometimes I'll feel that feel that way too. Like if something's more like fried. I definitely feel that way. I'm originally from Kenya. Turkey and so I always kind of think like, fried, fried, covered and smothered. Those are the terms I'm usually not gonna feel so well after. Roy Barker 05:13 It's just hard for us to be our best. So, you know, not only way aspect and how we feel physically, but also if you have that little, you know, the way it makes you feel mentally process because I'll tell you when I feel like that, you know, I don't probably don't make as clear to sit, you know, don't think about things clearly. But there's also the aspect of, you know, probably being short, and not really being as empathetic as you can be when you don't feel like you're at the top of your game. Yeah, Katie 05:44 yeah, my sleep gets off too. And I know if my sleep is off, then I don't think as clearly or approach things as clearly are nicely. All the above. So we're speaking the same language, Terry 05:59 just a big brain fog. And it's hard for people I mean, you know, everybody knows, you think that everybody knows what's good for them health wise, as far as eating and everything that people don't know what to put together. They don't know what they're doing it and then it's like, oh, wait, I've been doing this. You know, I ate this way. healthily for a couple of meals, and then I need a treat. I need a treat. That's not like, Oh, wait, like you're calling? No, I'm thinking it for me. Roy Barker 06:37 She came home from the grocery store that day. And like, I'm going through these bags and lettuce, celery. I'm like, Okay, did the snack fall off in here somewhere? Terry 06:45 Yeah. And he didn't help me unpack any of that after he found out there was nothing in there good for him. I mean, Roy Barker 06:51 it's hard. And I don't know why. Maybe you can give us some insight into our feelings around food. But I grew up mainly, you know, mom tried to give me vegetables. I'm not gonna say she didn't. But you know, mainly meat, potatoes, corn, you know, all the things that probably the vegetables that aren't the best force, and then, but no greens, I'm just maybe peas, but I'm not a fan. And it's just hard to eat. I'm just telling you, right, straight up. It's just hard. And God bless Terry, she tries to disguise them and season it up. And you know, we come and do this. But you know, at the end of the day, it's still a piece of broccoli. Katie 07:36 Yeah, yeah. You know, it's, I hear that all the time, too. So listen, you're not you're not alone. And I think, you know, when you look at just kind of how we grew up, and, and just really looking at someone's history with food, our brain creates these really strong connections with just food in particular. And I, I always think like, everyone has a relationship with food, it just looks different for each person. Right? Right. So for you without that, like, very young exposure of different vegetables, or, or I know that I, some people have said like, oh, okay, like how they were made as a kid was like, out of the can or they were mushy, or gross or whatever. You have that very strong connection. And that's where that's weird that like, kind of concrete. And so as you get older, and as you're potentially trying to work out of it, it's hard. It's like, Oh, yeah, I'm older. I know. I know, these things are good for me. Let me just, yeah, their problem. You have these really strong connections of like, I don't know, I don't know if I like this. I don't know if I have a good feeling around us. Roy Barker 09:05 Yeah, and then the other thing, I think we, what you're saying about that relationship with food is it's always been well, it's not just emotional, but it's, it's everything. Everything is based around food, emotion, social, you know, because we always jokingly say that, you know, we used to come home from having a bad day. It's like, Oh, those couple let's get something to eat or, you know, big success. When this happened, like, awesome, let's go celebrate, you know, and then, you know, we've even talked about like, my big addiction is probably ice cream. And yeah, we talked about it a little bit before, but it's mainly like, you know, some of the, I guess it's those that was a celebration because I would, I had two of my grandparents that are was very close with my grandpa's, and then my dad and so. You know, like, we go work in the yard or go, you know, I'd go help them with the task when I was a little kid. You know, I think now thinking back, I think I was kind of an excuse for them to go get an ice cream. But you know, whenever we do something be like, hey, let's run up to the drugstore. And let's go get us a banana split, you know. And so it was it was that good. It was a treat number one, but it was also the social time that you spent with your loved ones. And it's still even at this age. It's still a fond memory. I told Terry, not long ago, I can still remember the Dairy Queen where me and dad used to go in the afternoon, the jukebox, the song that was on the jukebox, just the whole atmosphere. You know, when when I was probably eight, 910 years old, but it just sticks with you. Katie 10:48 Yeah, now I mean, exactly. Exactly. Those like elated feelings and those feel good feelings. Yeah. You know, and then and then trying to try to navigate that now going like, Okay, wait, that's pretty strong. Like, that's the thing. I that's the thing I go to? Um, yeah, it's, it's one of their say, and it takes time to kind of unravel that, like, I just, I feel like it's, it's kind of like, just imagine, like a sweater. And you're unraveling kind of these things that have been really deeply kind of stitched and embedded. Yeah. And I know as much as people potentially want to just have this like, light switch moment of like, yep, no, I'm not going to have it. No problem. I'm like, doesn't quite work like a light switch. And we have to take time to actually unravel and kind of re re establish new feelings with that particular food such as ice cream, or establish new feelings with with also something else. Terry 12:01 So we have to make a new sweater or a pair of mittens or something. Yeah, exactly. Roy Barker 12:08 Don't come at me and say, Oh, that's so awesome that you did Let's celebrate with some cauliflower. Katie 12:14 Yeah. Now now, but also like, Hmm, let's see, what else do we want to celebrate with that? Maybe? Like that maybe isn't isn't even food? Right? Yeah, you know, I don't know, Terry 12:28 that's something we Yeah, Roy Barker 12:29 we've talked about that frequently is that, you know, when we feel that, it's like, Hey, this is a great time to go for a walk, you know, to try to change that from, because that's the other miracle about me. And exercise is and I know that with weight, it's, you know, calories in calories out basically. And it's hard, you know, if you go eat a banana split, it's hard to, you know, go on a treadmill and walk that off. You know, in a reasonable time, I get all that. But the thing about it is if I am out exercising, that means that I am not somewhere somewhere eating. And so it's, you know, it's kind of a good trade off for me, because it keeps me from eating. But you know, it's also good for the heart and lungs, you know, for our other body functions, too. Katie 13:14 Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, and just just even approaching it, we get in our heads of like that, that can and then No, and I don't know about you, as someone says no, or you can't do this. I'm like, Oh, I'm doing it. Terry 13:30 Like we were talking earlier about we mentioned the hormonal aspect of it. You know, as a woman, I just get defensive if a dude tries to blame it on hormones. Yeah. Guys have it too. That's right. That's right. Katie 13:50 We all have hormones. And so we're a little too loud. I mean, and I'm sorry, when I say hormonal health, I think everyone thinks female. But I do see that. Just looking at all of this full circle, and even just talking about weight. I tried to dive in just one level, prior 10 levels deeper, because whenever I look at weight I sometimes like yes, it is that like the actions to support it. But also at the same time, what is our body systems doing? So do we need to look at kind of how we're digesting and processing because if that's off, that is going to affect how your body communicates and communicates about weight or weight loss or weight gain or whatever we're trying to do. And same with hormones too. And that's across the board. So I do have some I do have not just females that might need to take a look at hormonal health with me. Terry 15:01 Well, how do you how do you identify that? How do you identify those things? Yeah, so Katie 15:08 so I'll say the digestion part is probably easier to really understand. Because typically I see that someone will say, like, Oh, I'm bloated all the time, or I have gas or even like acid reflux or stomach pains. And then you, then you start kind of questioning like, Is this all the time? Is this after you eat? How long after you eat? So it determines what part what part is happening in that digestive tract. And then I do some functional microbiome testing, too. So just kind of some interesting it's at home, or some people like it's at home, but it helps to look at someone's and just what's, what's the lay of the land inside there. So, too, we have some not so awesome bacteria that's supposed to be there, but is growing more rapidly are more than the awesome stuff. So then we have this really big unbalance and then affects how our nutrients are broken down and absorbed. So if we're not feeling our bodies, how did our bodies know that it's safe to lose weight? Right big picture here. Yeah. Terry 16:33 Yeah. A lot of sense. Roy Barker 16:35 Yeah. Cuz our bodies are, I think they're smarter than we give them credit for. And they try to just no matter what we're putting in there, they're like, it's a, it's survival. You know, our body thinks about our survival, even sometimes, maybe when we're not. But the thing that brings up a good point, though, something that we've talked very little about, but I think more and more has come to light with gut health. Yeah, making sure because I'll let you explain it more. But really, I don't think people understand a lot of our stuff starts there. Katie 17:10 A ton of our stuffs. Absolutely. So. So as we're learning more about God health, which I feel is just, it's a fascinating subject that has gotten more mainstream, and probably the past five to 10 years. And so, our guide, is there, the gatekeeper. I always think they're like the bouncer to The Club. I have a million ways of explaining. But I but it helps to, I think, for many of the scientific or more complex topics, if we can make it understandable if it makes sense. Yeah. So if we think like, the gut is the bouncer char club, and we want our gut mining, to be really discerning, we want the velvet rope. And we want to be like you're allowed it. We, we know you're not the type of thing we need to allow. And so as how you know, how we he kind of supports how that discerning that bouncer is going to be. So it supports our nice normal, kind of commensal is the proper term flora. So that's like the often bacteria and but depending on how we eat, we could also support the not so awesome bacteria, which is supposed to be there, but they're kind of the troublemakers. So, um, so as maybe the troublemakers are kind of outgrowing more, then all of a sudden, they are kind of pushing in and given that bouncer a harder time. And so that bouncer at some point is gonna cave. Like I have been trying, I've been trying the hardest, but kind of gonna cave or be like, oh, okay, you can kind of come in. And so that makes that kind of, let's say scientifically, we called the gut lining permeability. So that allows that permeability to just be looser or weaker. So we just don't have to have that discerning so again, that just like, I can say that it's kind of full circle with that gut health is sometimes people will get symptoms, so they'll just not feel good sometimes when they eat or not feel good. When they eat healthy. That's the thing that a lot of times people get confused by. They'll be like, Oh gosh, you know, when I when I'm eating healthy, when I'm eating those vegetables, I don't feel as good as when I Don't eat those vegetables. And that doesn't make sense. And that's in part where I'll dive in and be like, Oh, we need to actually support your gut first, in order to then also support them. Health. lot, too. I mean, I could, yeah, there's a lot to this. Roy Barker 20:21 Well, I guess the you know, kind of bite going off that scenario is that when we eat unhealthy enough, you know, we kind of do that overwhelmed the bouncer where, really there's just no choice. It's just kind of overrun, right? Yeah. Right. And so can we get to a point when we eat healthy for years and years and years and years that does our body kind of flip? Like you were saying some people eat healthy, does our body kind of flip and now he thinks that it's used the unhealthy and that's what it accepts where the healthy, he kind of have to go back and I guess, retrain it in some manner to kind of accept it and feel better. Katie 21:01 Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. A couple of things I usually need to do, I usually need to strengthen that kind of gut lining, so build muscles on that bouncer. And then and then to be that's kind of First and foremost, and then be able to start switching over how someone's eating. Okay, um, so there's, there's kind of a couple steps that go along with this. Um, and then also, if something's over kind of overgrown, I also need need to help balance that out. And I can usually do that with combination of some herbal supplements and probiotics. And I get picky about which ones I'm going to use, depending on what someone has going on. So okay. Roy Barker 21:53 Yeah, yeah. And we heard not long ago, too, you know, because we both heard of the probiotics, but we, chair you can help me here. Maybe it was like a pre pre biotics pre done a, like, warm it up to get it to, I guess, to receive the probiotics in the manner that you really wanted to. Katie 22:14 Yeah, yeah, Terry, I don't want to cut you off. I might, I can definitely break that one down, though. Do Yes. Okay. So, um, yeah, we have both. We have prebiotics with probiotics. So prebiotics are basically the food for your awesome bacteria. So they are helping to that awesome stuff that's in there, it is just helping to build that up. Probiotics, which there's a ton out there, they're not all the same, because they have different strains of bacteria. But probiotics are adding bacteria strains, okay? To that to that, like dynamic. So it's adding new people to the party. So for some people, they need to have that pre biotic because they have some awesome stuff going on in there. And we just need to actually, you know, Give it, give it some strength, get some food and help that grow. And then for some people with probiotics, they'll need those because they need more of a variety of bacteria in their digestive tracts. Terry 23:36 Okay, it's so is it? I'm sorry, is it is it it has to kind of be customizable is basically what you're saying, as far as each individual. Katie 23:48 If someone I'm like, there's some really great, I'm just kind of, I'd say like probiotics and prebiotics that are just like really nice general ones that kind of include a variety. If someone doesn't have any, like gut things going on. Or they can you know, maybe try this and be like, Well, let me try just doing a nice general one. Absolutely, that can work for people. But if someone is having, like, an actual gi issue, digestive issue where they're just like, Ah, it's it feels like a hot mess. Then it it you know, and they're suffering from like bloating, gas, stomach pain, then Honestly, I'm like, Oh, we need to take a really more particular and deeper dive into that. So I would say there's there's parts that are definitely customizable, especially if there's an issue going on. If someone's just like, you know, there's not really an issue but I just want to make sure that like things are even keeled. There There's definitely General, just balanced ones that you can do to help help just support. Roy Barker 25:07 So, but that also brings up something that I've become more and more fascinated with is fasting. Because, you know, we we have had some guest on and read some evidence that, you know, fasting is good in a way that it gives our body a break from the constant digesting in which, you know, back in the day we had this guy that was a local fitness guru, and you know, he was the six meals a day. I mean, with this guy, it was constant eating, but you know, you're in the gym, it was a balance that was, you know, chicken and some rice and, you know, broccoli, that was the main staples of it. But, you know, thing is was eaten a little bit smaller, but eaten all the time. So then now we're talking about fasting and it in theory, you know, I get that it sounds good. But then when is it like last week, a couple weeks ago, then we read some more evidence that said, Well, maybe, you know, maybe not so much, especially like diabetics, because it can slow down your metabolism, they can do this. And you know, I'm not, I haven't been shy about saying, you know, I'm a type two diabetic. And here lately, I've been struggling more and more with my blood sugar than what I have in the past. And it's my it's due to my eating, and it's due to eating and it's due to being sedentary, I think, come in through this last year. Maybe not the whole, you know, maybe the last six to eight months, I've been much more sedentary than ever in my life. So anyway, I know, we could probably do five episodes just on that topic. And I hate I hate to do that the guest is you know, just say like, yeah, give us this high level, because it's not always that simple. But I'm gonna let you try to address that in the best way that you can. Terry 26:54 that you want. Katie 26:58 Okay, I got my work cut out for me. Yes. Okay, let me try to simplify two sides of this, this coin. So right, when when just looking at evidence. So, and let's say like, they're, they're typically, with most things. There's evidence, that's how that's how we we've learned and we advance and we're like, let's try this on this and put it in this scenario, see how things are. So we learn more things, right. So I'm where I come into play on, on fasting is, and let's just say also, I'm going to use the general term diet, I look at diet as how someone eats, but we definitely always have a trend of whatever the new diet is for the year. And I always try to figure that out, and take bets on it before it comes out. Because there's always something that's going to come out. And I look at how someone eats is like a fit for what they have going on. for that. So when I look at, like, let's say digestion, or digestive health, and this is just a really big, broad example, because I'm trying to simplify this. But, um, maybe for someone I am going to have not necessarily a fast, but I'm going to have a much more direct kind of eating window. Because I do need that, like digestion rest. And so that eating window, it might be 12 hours, like which is like okay, yeah, that's kind of when they're up, right. So, um, it, it's not usually always, like, several day fast or anything like that, um, you know, but on the flip side to, I'm gonna look at this on the other way of like, diabetes, or let's say, sometimes with people who I have to support thyroid health, with, those are particular eating times that we need to support because of their body and their body's communication. So let's say fasting would necessarily be a great fit in those scenarios, because we need particular feeling at particular times to support those body processes. So that's where you're, you know, you're going to get evidence of like, it's not great for this thing. Now, it could be considered for this thing. And that's why it sometimes gets confusing or where I'll see people who are like, hey, I've tried all these different diets and they didn't work for me and I'm like, well, let's see what's going on so we can match the fit of what's going on for your body. Also mentioned the emotional aspects to just because for some people fasting had will just ignite that kind of really strong emotional connection for them in terms of kind of black or white yes or no. And it will make people kind of idolize or want food more. And that's not a safe space either. So there's a lot to kind of thinking around this fit. Terry 30:25 Yeah, like that you say, eating window. I mean, that sounds much better than Roy Barker 30:31 well, and you're like, well, I guess that's kind of our approaches, we've, you know, we've made some tweaks here and there. And some things we try that we don't feel works. And we never take a hard line, just like, you know, we feel like we have been more plant based here of late. But that doesn't mean you know, because we were, we were at a dinner not long ago, and you know, it was a breakfast, then I order some bacon is my life. Oh, my gosh, I thought you were, you know, vegan now, like, no, we're plant based, that just means that we try to fill most of our diet with plants. And then if we feel like the meat, we can have some it's not, you know, because again, I think it's that mental. If you say never add more meat, then it's like, meat. It's magic, is it not like, but the you know, but for me, and this is maybe more psychological, but like breakfast is always been my meal. Because in a former life, I typically had more of a physical day, you know, out working hard and stuff like that. Now, as I've gotten older, you know, it's more at a desk and more sedentary, but still, I've been conditioned that breakfast is my meal, that's the one I really enjoy. The other thing too, is we enjoy the weekends, because we used to cook Saturdays and Sundays, we would always cook a big breakfast. And then so when fasting, you know, we were doing like 16 hours, we would eat six or seven at night and go all the way till noon. So we would have a noon meal, and a six o'clock meal. And it weren't most of the time, but there was always still that little nagging. Like, it'd be nice to you know, just have a meal, we tried to even supplement that a little bit with just more of a smoothie instead of having a full blown meal. So I don't know. I guess while we bring that up is, you know, what is? What is your thoughts on getting some, you know, nutrition through the smoothies, good, bad, indifferent, or just again, depending on the person and what they're needing, we can say? Katie 32:36 Well, so let's say if you're looking at a smoothie, right? I'm gonna be like, what's in that smoothie? Because it could just be I mean, my goodness, it could just be like, fruit, and honey. And let's just let's just see what we're going to add into it, right? Or it could be like, Oh, I have, oh, no, I have cup of food and protein powder, and two cups of spinach. Right? So I think that smoothies, when they are made in a lovely balance that gives you all properties. I'm gonna say that they can absolutely work. And so you know, and, like, I'll be the first one to say that, you will see me I sometimes will have back to back people, and on zoom with them. And I'm thinking, Oh my gosh, it's it's during my like, it's lunchtime. And so how am I going to do this? And so sometimes that's just how I'll get in my feeling. Yeah, because of situational. So I think they can be utilized. As long as as long as there's that, like, there's health properties are in there. Roy Barker 33:59 Yeah. And I should clarify, because, you know, between me and Terry, when we say smoothie, we know exactly what we're talking about. But I think that's again, I'll let her jump in. But we try to do the protein powder of cheese is usually kale or spinach, maybe a little fruit to sweeten it up. And we're Terry 34:17 an avocado and or an avocado and some some. Lately, we've been adding omega 369 oil, every brain health also does that do something in addition to brain health, I mean, is that help with digestion or gut health? Katie 34:37 Yes, I'm like, Oh my gosh, your Megas happen. Yay. Go Terry. Good. Yeah, your amigos, actually, oh my goodness. They they help in so many different ways. So they do help definitely support that. Kind of like gut lining, they do support brain health and kind of keep keeps our brains really nice and spongy and all that lovely stuff. And then also at the same time to our heart health too, as well. So there's I mean, there's multiple, multiple reasons. Yeah. Roy Barker 35:23 And we had a guest on I want a friend of the show Delia McCabe. She's actually from Australia, and is in the the research, but she was telling us that, you know, we we've taken fish oil capsules for so long, but she said that there's research that shows that they have to cook that to such high temperatures that when we take it in this oil form, it's much I guess, the balance is much better and much, much better for so we've been really working that in and then also I think you put either we use walnuts, flaxseed, or you know, some a little bit of inequality in there as well. But, you know, we like you said, we don't live off of them. And I don't ever want to, you know, again, we always say we're not doctors, see a doctor dietician, you know, a registered dietician, you know, find somebody that's a professional that can help. But we don't substitute and say, Hey, we're doing smoothies all day. But like you said, if it's a busy day, maybe in the morning, we didn't have time to cook. That's a good time, or if lunch gets crazy, you know, at least trancing fuel for our body. Katie 36:26 Yeah, yeah. Now, and that's, that's I say, like, I am just as much as a human is, as all of us are in this room? Well, like yeah, some days are just crazy. And you got to think about it. And if that's, if that's how that is working? And definitely, I just look at the balance part of it. And just I'm like, Yeah, okay, then it can be, Roy Barker 36:53 well look at the two alternatives either not eating, which is never a good choice, or running through the nearest drive thru and getting something that's, you know, overly processed. So with this, we can at least troll what we're doing. And I think with the kale or spinach, and then with the mix of the protein powder, you know, I feel like it's a it's a pretty decent, we just have to watch with the fruit for me, especially because that kind of set me off a little bit. So we just temper temper that, but easily, it's pretty good. Terry 37:25 And is there any, like, shoot, she talked a lot. And Delia did, she talked a lot about the differences and the processing of supplements, are there any that you might recommend to look into as far as more of a pure form to help us like with this omega 369 oil, you know, it's within the refrigerated section, and we're using that and we kind of cut out the the the fish oil supplements that we're taking, and now are looking at all the other ones that we're taking to as far as the way that their process? Katie 38:08 Yeah, so I think so. Oftentimes, when something's a kind of like a fatty acid, which is what an omega three is, right? 369. That whole that whole family, so that that is going to be sensitive to heat, some of your other website, vitamins and minerals, not so sensitive to heat, right? However, gosh, this is a really tough question Terry, just because when, when looking at like, let's say like, if I'm looking at a iron ore, I'm looking at a vitamin A, then some of that kind of, let's say, like, format that it's made and might mean something different as far as not only processing but absorption. So iron, if that's a liquid form, that's going to be much less kind of grams of of iron. And so with kind of with looking at this, or I should say milligrams of iron, I misspoke. My own my own, you know, knowledge there. But so so when looking at the processing, I don't necessarily have a hard rule of thumb unless it's like an oil based if you look at the pill, and it's more of like an like a liquidity, or it's like a capsule that's liquidity and so you're going to see that more with your kind of fat soluble vitamins or fatty acids and that family then I'm going to look for something that's like an oil, or they'll call it like buzzsumo. Typically. And so that's more of an oil base, because those are more sensitive to like the processing and the heat. Okay? Roy Barker 40:16 That's a good rule of thumb to is the closer you can get to nature, the better because, you know, at one point they came out said, Oh, tumeric is a good, something that's good to take. And so, of course, silly me, I went out and found a tumor, you know, there was a cranberry pill that we took for a long time. And then it was like, Oh, well, it's a spice that we can buy, you know, as a spice and cook with what we know, I would assume that that's always better, the closer the pure form that you can get, Terry 40:45 yes, ready to do the route that tumor turmeric root? And yeah, really adds a lot of good flavor. I mean, it it's flavor night and day difference. Katie 40:54 Yeah, yeah. Well, and then also, I'll say this, too, is that, um, you know, let's just, like look at like color of like fruits and vegetables. And that's what's giving, that's kind of naming, right? Like the properties that are in there. And so you're not going to get, you're not going to get all the layers of what's going on in there, poly females, you're not going to get that from a pole form. So So that's, I always look at it like that of like, Oh, you know, you're, you're getting vitamin C, but you're also getting polyphenols, you're also getting another level or another layer, or fiber also, which is also going to help that vitamin C, like, there's, there's more with that kind of natural part that you're getting than just that straight vitamin or straight men are, are, etc. Roy Barker 41:55 And we don't recommend one, there's a couple different apps that we've used in the past. But, you know, from my personal opinion, that's always the best because you would be surprised, you know, I've been taking some vitamin C and you know, a couple other supplements that, you know, I've been my doctor said was okay to take. But then when you really look at the foods that you eat, when you start eating, what I would say, you know, is more healthy, especially more greens. Now, all of a sudden, it's like you're getting all of that daily allotment of that you don't necessarily need to take the supplement or, you know, again, last night as a question. You know, if you kind of monitor that and make sure you're getting all your daily allotment, then you really don't have to take the supplements. Katie 42:40 Right? supplements aren't meant to be what they are to supplement. Yeah. Roy Barker 42:50 Exactly why I got so much so many and so much was because, you know, I knew I had such a poor diet, and that's what my doctors like him, not going to get you to change your diet, at least let's supplement to make sure you're getting some things to keep you healthy. But we have transitioned pretty much off of most everything. And, you know, we feel like we're getting a pretty good balance in our diet. But you know, this one that we use, man, it's a it gets down to, you know, some of these micronutrients, I just didn't even know what this was. But the good thing is, is you can touch it, and it'll tell you where you can get it. So that's the other thing is, sometimes they give you these obscure vitamins or minerals that you really need, but things like, you know, somebody like myself would be, you know, I wouldn't even know where to find one of those if it jumped up and bit me. So, you know, some of these at least it'll point you in the right direction, but you know, eat more of this or that. Katie 43:47 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You know, I mean, definitely, I can say that, that, you know, supplements are meant to be supplemental, and they can be helpful and useful, especially if something's low, and we need to get that back up. Or if we're not getting enough from how we're eating, or we need extra to help. How kind of just to help, let's say like ourselves or a cellular process. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. But Roy Barker 44:21 again, this is why, you know, we recommend reach out to your doctor to somebody like Katie who's a registered dietician, because, you know, some things counteract if you're on prescription medicines, supplements that will counteract those and then there's some things you shouldn't co mingle and some you take in the mornings and you take with meal. I mean, there's just all kinds of stuff. But I think the other bottom line is getting to the base. Like you said earlier on some, you know, we were talking about the gut health is, you know, instead of just throwing stuff at it to see what's going to help us get a baseline and see. Are you deficient in a vitamin or mineral you If you're not getting it and can't pump up your diet, then it may be okay. But it's, and I'm guilty, I will say I was guilty of that, you know, at one point is just like, Oh, well, I'm not getting all this stuff, and I just, you know, probably doing it way too much. But when you get back to the basics, it just makes it much more simple. You know, you're doing the right thing. And then of course, like I said, the professional help to get some guidance. Katie 45:23 Yeah, yeah, I always think to the other thing, we we just as human beings will think more is better. And that's not always the case, either. So you, sometimes it's not healthy. Roy Barker 45:41 For you know, like, some of the C's and DS, I think you probably just pass those through what I hear, but like, you know, iron is one that I think you have to be very careful with that. One is that you definitely don't want to step over the line. So definitely, there's some to, you know, make sure and that's the other thing, don't, we have to be honest, because we always talk about our journeys is, and I use this in business a lot is that, you know, it's like you want to go to, you want to go to Chicago, and it's like, Okay, well, I want to go to Chicago. So I'm gonna go out my front door, and I'm gonna turn to the west and start walking. Well, if, if you're in Nevada, or somewhere, you're never going to get there. So it's just important to know, be honest with your healthcare practitioner and dietitian, be honest about really where you are, and take all these supplements in say, look, this is what I'm doing. And they can guide you because it's it doesn't help to not put it all out there. Terry 46:43 Hey, I want to make sure that we have I'm sorry, I don't mean to change the subject. But I know we're a little time constraint. Yeah, I wanted to make sure that we mentioned that you talked about bariatric nutrition Pro. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Katie 46:57 Yeah, so um, so my, you know, my background is is I'm a registered dietician. But I have worked with people going through bariatric surgery, and, gosh, 13 years. And so, so I definitely come from the place of being able to just look at that compassionately and thoughtfully, and so I created bariatric nutrition pro and that's, that's really for health professionals, actually, is to make sure that there's a foundation of even just moving surgery, talking about surgery, talking about unique kind of troubleshooting and needs of someone going through surgery and the surgical process. So I definitely like to use that to teach professionals how to appropriately and compassionately approach nutrition with someone who has gone through bariatric surgery or protein, geriatric surgery, etc. And so, yeah, so I kind of have this, this couple of different hats that I that I wear, not only working with clients, one on one, and so that kind of covers, let's say, weight management, weight loss, and also bariatric surgery, gut health, hormonal health. So that's kind of my gamut there. And then also, at the same time, an expert resource for professionals as well. Terry 48:40 That's awesome. Well, and people, people just think, you know, well, they've made the decision. Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and do that. Very interesting. Well, it's just not that it's a huge lifestyle change. Katie 48:53 Huge, huge, huge. And it's just, I, you know, I and I know that decision that wasn't made lightly either. So I love to just be someone's partner in kind of this, this whole health, health gaining surgery. That's what I actually really like to call it because, because, yes, okay, weight and weight loss, and even you guys approaching weight and weight loss, but really, you're trying to make health gains. And if someone's using a surgical intervention for that, like, oh, okay, but, but we as practitioners, or you know, at least myself as a practitioner, I want to make sure that I know the ins and outs so that so I can be the partner through that really, really big decision and that lifelong decision, and I'm sure it helps so much just knowing that you don't have to do it alone. That has to be Terry 49:52 a huge relief. Katie 49:55 Yeah. And that's what I see actually with with a lot of my clients that who are going through this though, they'll just they'll reach out to me beforehand, oftentimes, and just say, like, I have so many questions. And there's so many like, you know, it's it's anxiety producing sometimes. And I'll just be like, Okay, all right, let's let's not getting overwhelmed. Granted, that's one thing at a time, and I, I've seen probably, at this point, about 8000 8000 people go through surgery. So I know, I know. Um, so I, I, you know, I also have a ton of experience of just like, you might feel this way, you might not, you heard this on the internet, it might be true, might not like, and just kind of that real world aspect. Part of it. Roy Barker 50:50 And I know, we're short on time we are fixing wrap this up, I promise. But the one thing you know, one reason I haven't ever stepped out to do that is because there's a mindset component to I think that you really got to get your mind, right, because I knew somebody that they did that. And we used to have a there's a bunch of people from high school, you know, we would all get together every month or so and just, you know, sit around talking and this person wouldn't actually eat much because she had, she had some kind of a procedure, she would eat much. But she would drink three or four margaritas. And then you know, she started gaining weight. And I started to be like, Well, okay, there's about 1200 calories in these six, it's said three, and that's like 4000 calories. You know, it's a huge mindset change. Because, you know, I guess the reality is, if you don't change your mind, and you still continue the poor ways, Terry 51:48 you can hurt yourself even in the alcohol does not kill the calories. No, no. Katie 51:55 No, no, I know. I know. But you're exactly right. I mean, I think with all of this too, I admittedly like there's such that mind component. And I definitely bring that into my work with with my clients too. Because it because that's really, you know, whatever we're doing is usually happening, body wise. And we're not, you know, brain is is kind of a different part of the body and it's going to, it's going to definitely message us in all different ways. Roy Barker 52:32 up to six inches in laughter conquer the six the six between your ears. Katie 52:39 Absolutely, yeah. So I even when it comes to surgery, I sometimes I'll tell people like, especially if I'm working with them for some time, I'll be like, oh, maybe we should pause on surgery and not meaning that it's not ever but I want someone who's going through this surgery this big when I fall train thing to really make sure that that all the all the parts and pieces are in place. Yes. So it feels like a really great process. And not a really struggling. Roy Barker 53:14 Yeah. Yeah, cuz I guess the worst thing after going through that is to be not successful or to struggle after the fact is that, you know, that's even worse than some of the struggles that we have. But anyway, yeah, well, I'm gonna wrap this up, we could keep talking for another hour, I know that you've got to go. Thank you so much for coming on. Y'all reached out to Katie, see how she can help you. If it's just the I'm gonna let you say first, you know, who do you like to work with regular? I know, you said some things you did. But do you tend to want to work more with the bariatric patients or just with anybody. Katie 53:53 And now I can say like, I definitely have a vast knowledge of bariatric nutrition. So I would say for anyone who is on their weight loss journey, I am happy to work with you at any spots within that one, but then also at the same time to you know, if there is that, like, oh, gosh, I internally am on the fence about bariatric surgery, then let's let's explore that a bit. Like definitely and then also I'll say like, thank god health and hormonal health and we didn't even talk too much about hormones. Maybe another time. But, you know, within that if if just something you know, something's kind of curious or going on there, then it's been Yes, let's let's work together. Um, and I would say my, my, probably the best way to find me I should mention that is if you go to my website, which is Katie Chapmon.com so K A T I E and In my last name, C H A P M O N.com. You can schedule even just a quick kind of meet and greet call so we can find out from each other like, Hey, what's going on? And we can talk about, you know, next steps from there. That's probably the best way to do it. Roy Barker 55:17 All right, great. Yeah, always good to reach out. Because the other thing we always suggest is you know, when you're working with any professional doesn't matter if it's a dietician, Doctor, CPAs lawyers that you have to make sure you have that connection that you really can trust and, you know, you want to follow their advice. So just reach out. Terry 55:35 Katie is connectable. punch line. Roy Barker 55:39 Yeah. Yeah, I know, Sherry, I'll send you money later. Thank you. We'll include all that in the show notes as well. But we're gonna let you one. One thing if you could just tell us quickly, is there a tool or a habit, something that you do in your daily life that just adds a lot of value? Katie 55:59 Now, I, when we all kind of got shut down for the pandemic, I started this and I can say this has been a game changer for me. Every morning when I wake up, I always like I kind of monitor myself and say, like, okay, you really, really deserve to have time for yourself. Time for movement, and time for health. Because I think I kind of gotten the zone of like being it was real hard. We all know that it was real hard for a while there. And I needed for my mind to know like, Oh, yeah, okay, like instead of getting bogged down with all the things like you need to actually like you're, you're still important, you Roy Barker 56:44 still I love that take time for yourself and take time for movement, because that's one that I have. Those are two things that I have missed out on or lost, you know, kind of lost in this whole thing. So getting centered today. I appreciate it. Katie, thanks for taking time out of your day. Thanks for your patience. I know we had some technical difficulties but we appreciate it. It's been awesome talking to you. That's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course I am Roy and you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com or on all the major podcast platforms. iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, we're on all the major social media platforms typically hang out more on Instagram than anywhere else. And this there will be a video of this interview will go up when it goes live as well so you can find that on YouTube. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. www.katiechampon.com www.feedingfatty.com
How To Start Living Your Best Life After 50 with Jan Malloch I realized there was a huge, huge gap in the market because there weren't personal trainers who are older, who could, you know, really empathize and whatnot with older men and women for that matter. Because, you know, you'll find older people will go to a personal trainer, and they'll be in their 20s, maybe their 30s. About Jan I'm a Fitness and Lifestyle Transformation coach for professional women over 50. I totally transformed my life at 62. I lost weight and qualified as a personal trainer specializing in helping older women to be fitter. Prior to this change, I never fully appreciated the importance of health and fitness, especially as you get older. I worked at a desk job, and was sedentary most of the time. Doing any form of physical exercise never entered my mind. I then came to the stark realization that my poor eating habits and lack of mobility were killing me. That's when I made the decision to do something about my life. The thought of ending up in a care home, sitting in the corner dribbling and being immobile really scared me. Unlike the vast majority of personal trainers, I know exactly how it feels to struggle to lose weight and how exhausting it is to be unfit. I also know how it feels to be older! All of these experiences have given me a much better understanding and empathy with my clients. I can personally relate to all of the women I work with – and they in turn relate to me. Let me ask you…do you relate to any of the following? Perhaps, as an older woman, you focus too much of your time on your work and families, to the detriment of your own health and well-being. Returning from work after a hectic and stressful day, you are then faced with trying to sort out the problems that your husband and kids are going through. A feeling of exhaustion and overwhelm often results in reaching for that wine bottle and ordering a takeout meal – just to escape from the havoc that is enveloping you. Much of the evening is spent in front of the TV. You continually make poor lifestyle choices regards your health, which leads to weight gain, lethargy and fatigue. And the more weight you put on, the more fatigued and stressed you become. My role is to stop this vicious cycle. I help older women to appreciate the critical importance of prioritizing their own health and fitness so that they can enjoy a dramatically improved healthy quality of life. Jan Malloch Website www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below How To Start Living Your Best Life After 50 with Jan Malloch Sun, 6/27 2:12PM • 53:06 SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, talking, day, walk, gym, personal trainer, weight, eat, overweight, healthy, jan, minutes, bit, work, life, age, lose, bad, adds, habit SPEAKERS Jan, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:07 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This Terry 00:09 is Roy, this is Terry. So Roy Barker 00:10 we are the podcast that we're chronicling our journey through getting healthy can include, you know, our diet, what we eat our exercise, and of course, we have changed in, you know, talk a lot about mindset these days. So well, on our Tuesday releases, we usually have professionals, other people that are in the industry. And then on Thursdays, we have been releasing, you know, kind of our personal stories where we are in our journey. And we've been talking a lot about diabetes, just because that is something that I deal with a lot. So anyway, without further ado, Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Jan Terry 00:50 Jan Malloch is a fitness and lifestyle transformational coach, for professional women over 50. She worked a desk job and was sedentary most of her life. She has a varied background, work and education. And is she is a coach. So, Jan, I just would love for you to, we'd love for them to hear from you as far as your background and how you found yourself in this position. Jan 01:21 Well, I mean, certainly, I mean, I qualified as a personal trainer about three years ago, that was when I was 62. So doesn't take a mathematician to know I'm now 65, right? Terry 01:31 Where you would have to help me with. Jan 01:35 But I tell you how my journey started not because, you know, as you'd said, I'd always been sort of, you know, sitting in an office and all the rest of it. And I really didn't care too much for fitness or going to the jammer. And that because, you know, when you were younger, you didn't really bother, you know, because everybody's everybody's fit, everybody can do what they need to do and all the rest of it. But as I was getting older, FM certainly when I was in my early 50s, I thought I'm gonna have to watch you know what I'm doing, you know, health wise. Now, my parents, and I have to say this better my parents, both of them died in their 50s. Yeah. Which was not good. And the thing was that both of them died because of their own poor lifestyle choices. That was that they both drank to excess, and they smoked to access. And they really just did not look after themselves. So my father, he died when he was 54. My mother was 59. And what I discovered was really, it was a case of Do you know what I'm now 52. I don't want this to happen. Yeah. So basically, I stopped drinking, I stopped smoking. And that was that. But as the years went on, I found that I was still putting on weight. And I thought, you know what, I'm gonna have to do something about my weight. Because as we know, weight problems now are pretty well, as bad as being a smoker. In the olden days, if you don't realize how bad it is. So what I did was I started to lose weight. And what I did was, I thought, you know, what, I really need to, you know, get some exercise, go to the gym, and all the rest of it. But again, I joined gyms before, but you know, you pay your monthly membership, you never actually go, but you feel as if you've done something by paying Terry 03:33 for it. Jan 03:36 So, you know, I got and I got this idea of what I could do is, if I really want to sort of try and get myself to go to the gym, they actually had a they had a volunteer program, and it was an actually aging Well, it was called. And it was noted to help people over 50 to be you know, Fisher. And I thought if I volunteer for this, this might encourage me to go to the gym. Yeah. Now, of course, the thing was, I didn't know what sort of volunteer work I'm going to do. Because I thought, right, I'll meet with this woman and she'll say, Well, how about Chang can fix our computers or we can do a bit of receptionist work or something of that, you know, something that was more based on what I had done before. But she, she sort of talked to me and she said john, do you fancy training to do seated exercise for frail older adults? And I thought, Oh, I could do that. So that's where I started on my fitness journey. And then I thought, right well, what I'm gonna do is I'm because I'm just beginning to lose weight because of, you know, the the exercise I was doing, and I thought, let's become a gym instructor. And then when I became a gym instructor, they said to me on the course john, you need to be a personal trainer. That's what you need to do. And that's what I did. And then I focused on older people. But the thing is that I So I've lost track of what we were talking. Roy Barker 05:06 Now you were just talking about how your, your path to becoming that person, you Jan 05:09 know you well, this is it? Yes. Basically, I think I'm really, I think it's a case of whenever you get opportunities, you don't know where they're gonna go. And what you want to do is grab hold of those opportunities. Because obviously, if I hadn't have gone along to volunteer with the gym, I would probably still be sitting in an office somewhere still overweight, not looking after myself. Terry 05:35 Yeah, new opportunities just breed possibilities for new life. Roy Barker 05:40 I mean, exactly, exactly. You have to be open to them. That's the main thing is we have to be open and willing to take that chance willing to learn, Terry 05:48 willing to learn Yeah, no, I Roy Barker 05:50 think that's awesome. You know, we, I think a couple things I was writing down while you were talking there is that, you know, sitting is the new smoking. And that's why, you know, so many of us now are tied to a computer, and then then a lot of people that made a transition from working in an office to working from home. And it's, it is hard to realize this, and this is no lie, that working at home, if I don't make an effort to actually do something else, I can usually end up the day with maybe three to 500 steps total, you know, walking from the bedroom, bathroom, desk, kitchen, desk, back to the bedroom. And that's it. And so, you know, I think it's just become more Paramount that we have to actually be conscious of this. So we can take that extra effort to do things, you know, get up because it's going to catch up with us. Either orthopedically, you know, setting on our hips and our back and everything else or the weight that we've gained, because I'll have to say I've put on a few, you know, COVID pounds myself. But we really have to make that effort to say we've got to we got to move today, because it really doesn't matter how eight how old we are. It's gonna catch up with us eventually. There's just no. Jan 07:12 It's interesting to Roy, because you were talking about, and it's funny how this has now come into our language. COVID pounds, that's now a part of our everyday language, isn't it? But the thing is, there are a lot of people who they've actually taken advantage of the situation and they've actually become better. Oh, no, because, you know, they're working from home. So therefore, they don't have all this commute and all that. So they might have a bit more spare time. So they are looking after themselves. But I would say the vast majority of us aren't. We've everything slide. Roy Barker 07:48 Somebody was telling me that, you know, they they say they called the COVID-19 that they not team pounds I put on my wall. I'm an overachiever. I have the COVID 38. Because I think probably I've doubled that for sure. But it's uh, you know, our gyms were shut down for a little bit. And that, you know, that, you know, a lot of people catch me like, Well, you know, you don't have to work out to lose weight. You know, it's all 80% your diet, which I get that, but for me personally, I think they're all intertwined and tied together that, for me to feel good. And for me to, to be able to walk by something that is not healthy. I need to be moving and feel healthy feel like I'm doing because if I'm just sitting around the house not doing anything. To me, it's so much easier to eat bed. Jan 08:41 Well, the thing is, exercise isn't just for trying to lose weight, exercise, it's just to stay healthy. That's the important thing is Terry 08:50 important for mindset, important for mindset, right? Isn't that and Jan 08:55 what is it? Well, this is obviously, in this COVID thing. I mean, a lot of people are suffering from really bad mental health issues, stress, anxiety, all the rest of it. And the thing is, if you're locked away in your own house, in those four walls, you're going to get really feeling low, you're going to feel depressed. But if you can just go out and at least have a bit of a walk out in the fresh air. Think about things, you know, just even look at a tree and say, Wow, that's amazing. You know, I couldn't build a tree. You know, things like that, you know, it's just to focus in and really start appreciating what you've got out there. That's the thing. Roy Barker 09:36 Yeah. Yeah. And for me creativity, you know, like I do a lot of, you know, problem solving. So if I get kind of jammed up or whatever, it's amazing just going out and taking that 15 minute walk, how it clears my head. And it also, I guess it kind of sparks my creativity because not only I'm working on but Luckily for Terry, it gives me a chance to think about other ideas for her to implement. He's like, I gotta go walk with you. So I can talk with you. So you don't think it's Terry 10:10 a great idea. Think about all these other things that he wants to end. Roy Barker 10:15 But, but even going with that, with that theory that the other part I think that troubles me is I love to go to the gym. But when I go to the gym, I love to stay for two or three hours, because I like to do some cardio, I like to do the weights. If they have a punching bag, or you know, do whatever, just a little bit of everything. And but sometimes you get in this this rut of Well, I don't have two hours to go spin. But yeah, it's not really about that. I mean, I have to refocus and say, you know, what, if I could just go get 15 minutes in two things. It's 15 minutes, I'm moving, but it's 15 minutes, I'm not sitting in front of a TV eating something that I shouldn't be eating. Jan 11:00 Exactly, yes. Yeah. Yes, it is. I mean, obviously, if you're trying to get out of habits of, you know, I mean, people say, oh, what I do is I sit in front of the TV, and I eat all this junk food and whatnot. And they'll start saying, Well, what could I eat instead? well forget about eating altogether. Think about what else could I do? That's the important thing. Roy Barker 11:25 Yeah, being in motion. And, you know, we think that we've talked about, you know, we talk pre show about some other stuff, but you know, about the, you know, my watch that I'm wearing now, cuse me to try to get 250 steps in every hour, instead of waiting, you know, to the end of the day, because we've talked that, for me, it's easier to commit to. I can get up for two or three minutes, every hour to take a few steps. versus if I wait and say, Okay, I'm going to the gym or even get out in the neighborhood and walk tonight. So many things that can come up between now and tonight. Like, don't feel like it anymore. Maybe it starts to rain, you know, a million things, but we need to that little incremental stuff, it really adds up and is probably a much better plan. Would you say? Jan 12:17 Oh, definitely. I mean, it's amazing how many excuses you can come up with, not to do particular things. Especially I mean, if you're talking about an hour or two hours, that's a huge chunk of your day. But if you knew you were just getting up from two, three minutes, even five minutes, it's no big deal. You know, you can do it. it's manageable. That's the thing. I think a lot of people when they're saying, oh, I've got to do all this stuff, I've got to go to the gym, and I've got to dedicate hours and hours and hours. No, you don't. You've got to start somewhere. And always start small, and do things that you enjoy doing. That's the important thing. Roy Barker 12:57 Yeah, yeah. And we'll kind of keep on top of that consistency. Because, you know, if you will do those small things every day, over a length of time, you will start to see the compounding effect of that. Whereas, you know, if you make a commitment to get up and walk for a couple minutes for a day, you're not gonna see much effect of that. So that consistency factor is, and that's hard. You know, that's hard. that's usually where we fail with a lot of things is, we can do it for two or three weeks. But it's trying to make that mindset change to where, you know, this is a life style change, this isn't permitted thing. And I think if we, I may, I'm gonna ask this as a question. But if we try to visualize the change that we want, in the incremental steps, not in this huge package, it makes it much easier for us to achieve, you know, what do I actually need to do today? worry about that knot. I've got all this, you know, I want to do all of this within a year, but you know, maybe what do I need to do today to be held Jan 14:03 up? It's really a case of you break it all down into tiny, tiny chunks. That's it, you know, so, you know, don't be sort of thinking, right, okay, in a year's time, I want to lose 100 pounds in weight, something like that. I don't think that's way too big a goal to be looking at. What you want to be doing is saying every day, Well, today, I'm going to eat more vegetables. I'm going to forget that cake or whatever. And I'm going to keep doing it. And you know what, before you know what, you've actually lost that 100 pounds without really having to sacrifice too much in your life. That's the important thing. Yeah, Terry 14:43 read there. I'm gonna I'm gonna remember that. Forget the cake. I'm gonna keep saying that's gonna be my mind. From now on. Forget the cake. Jan 14:53 Well, you know one thing you know, it's very easy nowadays. You go into the supermarket and everything's there. And not only Is it there? But, you know, they're making it so cheap, you know, for all these, this junk food is just so drastically cheap, it's ridiculous. And you go and buy it, they're even thinking, and you know what? Well, let's reverse this try and say, Well, if I want a cake, then I'm gonna have to buy the flour, the eggs, the milk, I'm gonna have to find your recipe, and I'm gonna have to bake this, you know, think about that. Yeah. And then at least it's a bit of effort you're having to put in, rather than just reaching into the cupboard and eating. Roy Barker 15:33 I don't think about it in those terms. But you're right, it's so easy for us to eat bad these days. because like you said, everything's ready made. Terry 15:41 Yeah. All together, you don't have to, you don't have to use your time to do with the prep work. Roy Barker 15:47 Yeah, or the drive throughs. You know, we were we were talking to, you know, another young man this morning. And that was kind of what he was saying that, you know, he plays in a band. And when he left, he had a long drive home. And he said, he always had to go by a particular restaurant with the drive thru. And it was very easy for him to pull in. And then it was kind of like, satisfying his boredom while he had this long drive. And he said, you know, eventually, he could see that, that started taking a toll on him. Jan 16:16 And that was definitely a habit, because what he would have been doing is in a particular part of his journey, he would say, Oh, I'm just approaching this driving, which we will not name. That's just approaching this. So your mind then says, okay, right. That means you have to buy this, and we're going to have to eat this. And so the habit soon came into to action, whether he was wanting it or not, it was gonna happen. Yeah, Roy Barker 16:44 yeah. In the intro, I taught I've begun to mention this more is that, you know, we started out this talking about changing some of our eating habits, and then like, trying to get consistent with our Yeah, be more consistent with the exercise and things that we did through the day. But we've really migrated to mindset because, again, you know, some things that you've mentioned, like having the big 100 pound goal in a year, it's daunting. And if you think about that, it makes you want to go eat something, whereas you think about, I just need to get these steps in, you know, in sometimes maybe we take it minute by minute, if I got a couple minutes, I need to get some steps in it's better than eating. But the mindset portion of this very important, not only to get started, but then that sustainability as well. Jan 17:34 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think actually talking about that, you really need a good, good reason why you want to lose the weight. That's the thing. Yeah. And it has to be an internal thing. You have to, you know, do this for yourself, you know, you there's no point in your husband and wife, or whatever, saying, Oh, you know, you're getting all fat, you've got to lose weight. That's not helping you. Because you're not you haven't bought into that idea. You've got to buy into it. And you've got to list all the reasons why you want to lose the weight. I mean, for instance, I mean, I did lose 70 pounds, but I'm sure you're thinking well, I lost 70 pounds, because I want to be healthy. I've got two young grandkids, I want to be able to be at their weddings, I want to be able to dance, their weddings and all that. So health is absolutely crucial for me. So what you do is you find that if there are any sort of weak moments that you have, what you do is you just remind yourself of these flies, and that keeps you going. Roy Barker 18:41 Now I will say Terry is very slender, and very nice figure. But I have not lived this long by being dumb and saying, Hey, honey, you've got to put on a few pounds. Maybe you need to hit the gym over there. Something like that. Yeah, Terry 18:55 I say it. It's one thing, but I might have to whack you over the head find me very well, Roy Barker 19:03 I am somewhere. Jan 19:04 Interesting thing is, and this happened to Oh, this was a good 10 years ago or so that my husband said, john, it's this since when I was big. And he said, john, you know, why is it that you whatever goal you set yourself, you can achieve it. But you're still so heavy. And that actually set me on the road to thinking I'm gonna prove him wrong. So now this doesn't work with everybody, but it certainly worked with me. I thought I'll show him I will. I'm gonna go and lose this weight. You know? Terry 19:39 Isn't that something? Oh, I love that. I mean, I you know, and I have not. I carried probably for about 1520 years I I carried a good amount of weight and about three years ago. I start I mean made myself go work at a farmers market? out, I wanted to be paid to go be fit and go do exactly, you know, I wouldn't get paid a lot, but I knew that something had to motivate me to do it. And I needed to do it. So I was able to lose at like 8590 pounds. Roy Barker 20:18 Wow. Yeah. And she you know, every day she would, I don't know, you probably got a minimum of 12,000 steps. But you were, you know, bending over lift and stuff move into it. You know, it's just constant motion all day long. Which That's awesome. And you were you are getting paid to be fit? Terry 20:37 Yes, me Yes, fit. And then I had a goal, I figured out a way to make it hat and I didn't think about I've just thought about I wanted to be fit, I wanted to lose a little weight. I didn't think about the overall picture, I just these little steps. And that's exactly what happened. Oh, it's just clicking. It did. Yep. Jan 20:57 Yep. So you found the solution. That's the thing, don't be focusing on the problems. And I think a lot of people just focus on problems, what you want to do is come up with a solution. That's the idea. And you achieve that really well, without having too much of a stack base, and even got a few pennies at the end of the week as well. Terry 21:18 A few, very few, but I got so that was the main thing. Roy Barker 21:23 The Um, so starting out, everybody is different. And this is one thing that we talk about frequently is that, you know, if you're going to work with somebody, if they say, hey, I've got this great plan that's worked for 50 other people, that may be a little bit of a red flag for me, because I want somebody to ask questions to try to make, you know, like, I don't like to run, I don't mind walking the weights and all that, but I'm not much of a runner. So if you came at me and said, Hey, the great solution for you is run 10 miles every day or something. I mean, I'm not make it for a day, but that that's gonna be it. So how do you start out? You know, if somebody was to ring you up and say, Hey, I'd really like to work with you. How do you start out with that? Jan 22:08 Well, really, it's it's a case of obviously asking a lot of questions. I mean, obviously, you have to get to know the person first. Because you have to build up that rapport, where you know, that you will work together? Well, because remember, I'm basically taking responsibility for helping them to be healthier. Yeah. And they have also got quite a responsibility to do what I'm asking them to do. That's the thing. So the thing is, as you were saying, right, everybody is totally different. Everybody's got different goals. Everybody's got different requirements. So it's really a case of right. What do you actually want to achieve? Yeah, let's see where you are. This is point A, let's see what you want to do at point B. And let's see what we can do to make this happen. Yeah. So then, yeah, as you say, if somebody says, There's no way I want to do any running or anything, so therefore, you obviously wouldn't get them to train for the marathon. That's it. Right? Whereas a lot of people would say, Oh, that's the only way to lose weight is to run a marathon and things like that, well, that's a load of nonsense, you know. So you have to finely tune it to that particular person and their needs. Because Do you know, exercise if we can start thinking about this as more like play because obviously, as a kid, you were out playing all the time, and you enjoyed it, you were physically active, because you were playing, you did what you enjoy. So this is what you want to do with exercise, trying to think of it as more like play, and you're wanting to do what you want, not what you're being told to do Roy Barker 23:47 right now. Yeah. And you can flip that switch by instead of the oh my gosh, it's time for me to go to the gym, I have to go again. We we should turn that around and say, You know what, I get to go I mean, because it's if you think about other people who are in worse physical shape, or may have even died from not being in good health, it's actually a privilege that you can actually go and so kind of flipping that switch was is exactly the right way to think about that. Jan 24:17 Wow, that is brilliant. I've got your number now. Wow, I mean, that's it because you'll say Well, hold on. I can go to the gym because I can I physically can go to the gym. That's right. Roy Barker 24:32 Yeah. When you get to be a certain age like myself, it's uh, you know, you look around a lot of people that haven't made it this far or that are in so much worse, worse health, that just can't they wish they could and then here I am perfectly healthy and think that it's a chore that I have to do so. But also talking about the, you know, selecting somebody to work with. It's good to have this trust because you're going to ask me to do things that I need to have this trust and a connection with you. To be like, okay, she knows what she's doing and not be resistance and put up like, yeah, you know that fuss with you about, Hey, I just need to do what I'm asking I'm gonna get an outcome. And then also you have that cheerleader, the accountability and that you know, because there are going to be days that even the most active person is going to be like, I'm tired. I don't really feel like it. But that's where you can kind of be that the voice of reason. therapist, yeah, Jan 25:31 yeah. But yes, you meet, you actually need that accountability. I mean, I have my I have a personal trainer. Now I only trained with him once a week. But you know, a lot of people say, you got a personal trainer, you are a personal trainer, you could just make out of your own workout programs to go along to the gym and all that. And I say, Well, I'm not necessarily wanting to go to the gym. That's a problem. Yeah, right. But if I know, at half past two and a Monday afternoon, I'm seeing my personal trainer. Well, I think of myself as being a reliable person. So I don't want to let him down. I don't want to let me down. So therefore I go. And the thing is, once you're there, it's brilliant. And of course, obviously, he builds up my confidence and all the rest. And, you know, you'll say, Oh, well, I want you to look this certain way, you know, this week? And you'll say, you'll say to yourself, no, I don't know if I could do that. But he'll say, Oh, yes, you can. And before you know what, you have actually done what he reckons you can do. That's great. Roy Barker 26:36 Yeah, no, that's a good point that, you know, even trainers have to have trainers, because it's like a, you know, a barber, a barber can't cut his own hair. And then, you know, with warriors, they say any lawyer that tries to represent himself has a fool for a client. So you know, it only makes good sense that you know, that we all need that help. And that encouragement no matter what position we're in. Exactly, yes, yes. Terry 27:00 Yeah. And I don't like I mean, I, I have never had a trainer or coach or anything. Maybe that's what I'm, I need one. But I don't like to be told what to do. And there's a fine line there. Right? I don't they don't tell you. They encourage Yes, Roy Barker 27:17 I strongly. Yeah, the nice thing about the trainer too, is I had one that actually came to the house. So you know, there was no escaping this guy. Because if I was on the phone talking with somebody, and he like did a little Knock, knock. If I wasn't on the door, immediately, he was like banging on the windows, like, I know, you're in there, you're not I'm not going away. But he really made sure that I got this. And that was the beauty of having him come to the house is I didn't have to make a decision to get a car and to drive somewhere. And the other cool thing about it is, you know, kind of like you do It's like he wasn't just standing, we weren't going to a gym, and he was standing there counting reps on a machine working on. I mean, like he personally designed. We're, you know, kind of odd stuff for me to do you know, if we worked with the big one of those big old bouncy balls rolling on it, and they had some other things that he would bring in the house. And it just just wasn't routine. Yeah, yeah, not the same thing every day. But it was also like trying to work on building core, as well as extremities, but not just, you know, going in and saying, Okay, give me 10 you know, give me 10 on the arms and then one. Jan 28:32 Yeah, that that's interesting. Because my, my personal trainers like that, he will always give me a variety of different things to do. And, you know, I remember when I started with, and this has been 18 months ago when I started working with him. And I said to him, are you going to tell me what we're actually going to do today? You said no. Good answer. I told you what we weren't gonna do, you would probably just walk out the door. Roy Barker 29:02 Yeah, when I would hear my god drive up, I'd look out the window and see what he was getting out of his truck that day that we're gonna have to go through. But yeah, it's important because it's the again, we're looking for that consistency, you know, taking smaller steps. And that's the great thing about asking the questions, finding out where I am in this journey, you know, am I overweight? And have I been active because then you can design something to start me out slow. And I think one one thing you talked about with some of your clients that are especially that are aging, some is one of your assessments is like how many times can you get up and down out of a chair, which is impressive. Yeah. Because the you know, no matter what we're all at this. We've all got something especially the older we get, we all have something that may be a little bit quirky about us that, you know, maybe bad hip, bad arm or whatever, but that allows that kind of personalization of what we're going to do. Jan 30:00 Yeah, I think actually, although, you know, you're talking about sort of, you know, if I were dealing with older people, which I tend to do, but remember now, people in their 20s 30s can be extremely overweight. Yeah. And they might as well be in their 60s or 70s. Because of their lack of mobility. That's the thing. You know, Roy Barker 30:22 are you seeing a lot of that? Oh, yes, yes. Okay. You know, now that you mentioned it, I think I did read something not long ago about that. They, they're kind of worried about this being an epidemic of the younger people being overweight and then having the diabetes as well. Jan 30:40 Well, this is what they're saying. Because you think about it, if you have a whole load of young younger people who are totally overweight, who, who are going to be our policemen, or firemen. Yeah, all these jobs that need you need to be physically fit to do and it really is really worrying, you know, when you think on it, because we've got, and it's the same boat in the States or Britain or wherever you are, two thirds of the population is overweight or obese. Wow. And that only means we've only got a third of the population that are what would be classed as healthy enough to do physical dopes? Yeah, yeah, we Terry 31:21 need those youngsters to stay fit and in shape, so they take care of us. I mean, we need to be fit, we're gonna be so healthy, we'll be looking at that. Right, we're gonna have to do it ourselves. Roy Barker 31:36 A great time in life. For me, because I grew up in the age of, you know, you went outside and you had a rock and a stick. And that was how you entertained yourself. Today, you know, we rode bicycles, we played football by you know, just like pickup games in the neighborhood. But it was constant activity. We didn't have a video game. I think in the end, my later years maybe Pong came out but it you know, we had little things that slid up and down. But you know that I got pretty old after a while. But, you know, swimming, we always had places to go hunting, fishing. I mean, goodness, we were just it was constant activity. And then, you know, that's one thing that really hurt me when I got to, you know, be in my 20s settle down, start having a family and a job then, you know, all that went away. And that was kind of when I started adding a little bit of weight. But you know, the good news is now I've kind of transitioned that we have all this technology at our hands and we can talk about that a little bit but unfortunate some of the other thing was the freedom to be on Rome. Our parents didn't really have to worry if we were coming home sometimes they more were worried that we make found our way home, Terry 32:48 which is by darn by the time the streetlights Come on. Just get home. Yeah, but you know, now finally now. I Jan 32:55 mean, you're talking about you know, how it was before I took my two I've got a grandchild, I'm sorry, two grandsons. One is age two, one is age six. Oh, and what I did was, and a lot of their time is spent in front of screens. That's it. But I thought one afternoon, I thought no, we're going to go out. And I'm going to show them just as I did when I was a girl, how to make bows and arrows. Yeah. So we literally went out. And we chose the sticks. And I brought the twine, and I had my my pen knife thing and all that sort of thing. And we made bows and arrows. And I tell you, we were walking back. And every person that we came across, my grandson would say we've just made our own toys, and it didn't cost us anything. Terry 33:46 Oh, that's awesome. Jan 33:47 Yeah, that was so that's bringing the true value of what it was when we were kids, you know, because we had to make our own entertainment. You know, that was it? Roy Barker 33:56 Yeah. And, you know, just like us. You know, we even rode our bikes to and from school, or we walked, you know, there was usually a bunch of us, but you know, like my kids, they weren't allowed, you know, things that changed enough by then that they weren't allowed to just do that by themselves. Now, if I had a day off, and I could ride over there with him, then somebody would come pick, pick us up, you know, pick up the bikes, but, you know, the world has just changed so much that that. So it's just not an option for a lot of kids, single parents, I have to work a lottery, families working a lot just to survive. And so and then, you know, we've got the digital screens to entertain them, you know, at that age, so I guess it could, I guess it really could be a big problem. Jan 34:41 Mind you, when you talk about the 50s and the 60s, we had what we still have television, and they were worried about that, remember? Terry 34:49 Yeah, yeah. Well, and we were there remote controls to we were an old time Yeah. Roy Barker 34:58 Yeah. Yeah. So now we've made it That's how we got fit. So now we've made a screen that travels with the right. Price, right? Yes, yes. Well, um, so, I guess, one, let's talk about that instance for a minute is that, you know, so what do you suggest for somebody that is way, way out of shape? You know, maybe overweight? And maybe he hasn't been that active? I mean, kind of how do you start them off, where you can, you know, not run them off, because you got, I guess that's a challenge that you have is that you have to set something up, to help them out where they're bettering themselves, but not overload them where they just give up? Jan 35:42 Yeah, that's it. Again, it's all about starting small, you know, you'd say, I mean, again, it depends on how old the person is what how much weight they're carrying, because a lot of people might find walking three or four minutes is more than they can handle, you know. So basically, what you're saying is, you know, just get up out of your chair, just walk around the house, Tibet for as much as you can, that's the thing. It's all about getting moving. That's it. Now, there'll be a lot of people who are more than fit enough to actually go and have a good half hour walk, you know, but they choose to sit on a couch all the day, you know, but it's the case of just let's just see how you can do it. Even if it's 10 minutes spurts, just get up and then once you start this as a habit, you are going to feel the benefits, and therefore you're going to keep wanting to do it. That's the thing. Roy Barker 36:38 Yeah. So what was it? Terry 36:40 I'm sorry, I was just gonna say, What do you have? Do you have something that you say to them, that makes them more confident that they can achieve their goals, their, their small habits, their larger habit? What would you do? Again, it Jan 36:57 depends on who the person is. But, uh, you know, again, individual, that's the thing, you know, you know, so that's, you know, again, I don't have a cookie cutter answer for that, because I know, we don't deal with cookies. Roy Barker 37:15 I shouldn't be dealing with them either. But every now and then I do. Jan 37:20 Yeah, really, it is. It's really a case of motivating, encouraging, trying to persuade, if you like, you know, talking about you know, you will, it's probably sounds really hard, but you really give it a try. Let's see, you know, you really will feel the benefits, you Terry 37:37 know, you'll be surprised at what you can achieve, you know, yeah, exactly. When things get out of their reach. And then they start doing Jan 37:45 again, we're talking about the mindset because somebody is closes their mind off right away and says, No, I cannot do this. You know, you have to sort of say, You know what? I bet you I bet you could, you could? Roy Barker 37:58 Yeah, yeah. And yeah, and they have to really believe that or, you know, it's like pushing an elephant up a set of stairs, if they don't, because they've got, you know, I'll speak for me, I have to buy into the process that this is good for me. And this is what I want before. I can take anybody else's advice or any direction from that. But one thing I was going to ask you is like, Why do people come to you? Or what do you think, is the most reason that people tell you? Is it because I don't look good? In my dress clothes, or because my clothes are tight? Because I walked up the flight of stairs and had to stop and huff and puff before I could walk up the next slide. What do you see that most people tell you why they come to you? Jan 38:44 Well, certainly, everybody who comes to me is because they're overweight in some, some shape or form. But do you know what it's the main thing is because they lack of energy, they don't have the energy to do anything. Yeah. And the thing is more junk food you eat, the more energy is sapped out of your system. And it's funny, a lot of people think that the more rubbish but just the more you eat, the more energy you'll have. totally opposite. totally opposite. And a lot of people think the more I move, the less energy I'll have. Again, it's a total reverse. Roy Barker 39:22 Yeah, because there are days when, you know, I start dragging, and if we will get out and just go for a little 1015 minute walk. It just really seems to perk me up. I come back just a lot more energized and ready to sit down and get after it. Jan 39:36 Yeah, it's a lot of things are it's totally counterintuitive. You know, you think the more physically active I am, the more exhausted I would become, can be off in the desert, you know, totally different. Or the more I the more energy I'm gonna have no opposite. Roy Barker 39:52 Yeah, and we talked a lot about the balanced approach. And I used to have a sign hanging over my desk for a lot of years that I had. Of course, you know, eat rot. But sleep is huge. And sleep is something that I found is the biggest catalyst for me to go totally off the reservation that you got to get that sleep. Because when I wake up feeling a little bit like that, then it's like, you know, you do what you say you try to go eat for that quick pick me up, which, to me, it'll help me for about 1015, maybe even 30 minutes, but then you get that crash, you know, an hour or two later, you start losing it. Whereas, you know, getting the sleep. And the other thing is water, I don't drink water, and then breathe in deep. I'm a shallow breather. So those are things that you know, we tried to do too, because getting that oxygen in is refreshing. And you know, I've had actually had people comment on that. If you're doing something well, yeah, I'll be like, one of them. The worst one was we were at a, we call those a painting paint, you know, they have the painting instructor at the front of the room. And yeah, painting and I'm sitting there painting. And this lady walked by the instructor after she got us going, she walked by I said, It's okay, if you take a breath. And that, you know, obviously she could tell from wherever she was that I wasn't breathing. But if I do I find that, you know, not only the stress full, but concentration, if I'm really concentrating, you know, so you just need to make yourself stop. There's all these little things, I think that help us, we just have to Jan 41:32 And this is interesting, because you're talking about increasing your amount of sleep, talking about breathing, these are things that cost us nothing. But we have to be more aware of what we're doing. And we have to be looking after ourselves. That's the thing. I mean, a lot of people they live very, very stressful lives. And of course, the thing is that the less sleep you have, the more stressed you're going to be. And you know, it's funny, because people will say, Well, I'm just going to fight on regardless, I'm just going to keep working, I'm going to keep working even though I'm really tired. But your productivity levels just absolutely love. Terry 42:08 Oh, wait that way I was going back. Roy Barker 42:11 I wish I could attend just doesn't work. Was that gonna turn Terry's headphones off right before you just had me we've just had this conversation over the last a few days a week or so like, Oh, my gosh, Terry 42:26 repeat, repeat, repeat, rewind. But Roy Barker 42:30 it's very important, you know, to try to wrap all these things together, they just because they're so interdependent. And, you know, we talk, we have another show the for kind of the aging and caregivers. And this is something that we talk about on there a lot is that self care, because you can't help anybody else, if you aren't at the top of your game. And then it's like, it's like emergency responders, you know, the fire department, when when they go in to a dangerous situation like a drug lab or shooting, you know, they're always told, well, we need to make sure it's safe. Because if you go into a bad situation, now we've got to come find somebody to help save you. And it's kind of the same way in our health if we have to have we can't look after other people in our life, if we have to have somebody looking out after us. Jan 43:19 Yeah, yeah, I think this is the thing that people as you know, we do tend to look after other people before we look after ourselves. And we really have to, you know, just sort of get a grip and say, No, you have to start looking after yourself. It's you that's responsible, you know, responsible for your own health. So and once you know that you're going to be healthy, then you can help other people. Roy Barker 43:47 Yeah, kind of like the thing in the, the airplane to you know, put your mask on first before you start helping everybody else. And I think it's, it's very true in this in this health arena as well. You know, we have to, and we just want to live our best life and we can't live our best life if we're not feeling the best. And then, you know, one thing we've talked about before as well is that, you know, I'm get to this point, I worry about what am I gonna be like in 1020 years? Because I think if you go into older age, not as healthy as you could be, you really set yourself up for some things to go bad. You know, yeah. And I don't think anybody wants to be, you know, a burden to your family or to your loved one that somebody has to take care of you so that I think that's really something that over the last two, three years that has really sparked me to take Jan 44:44 this thing because it's not only life expectancy, it's healthy life expectancy. A lot of people are spending 20 sorry, a fifth of their lives being unhealthy, you know, they might live To be some in the 80s or whatever, but if you're talking about a fifth of your entire life just being unhealthy, yeah, that's not helping anybody. Yeah. Terry 45:10 Yeah. No. And I think the ultimate goal? Well, I don't know, I think everybody's ultimate goal is to help each other I think, yeah. Especially family, for sure. But as a community, so we can all be successful and lift each other. Roy Barker 45:24 Yeah, we started talking. And one of our things we talked about a little bit is not outliving your health. And that's unfortunate. So many times we do that, you know, it could be we have a good mind, but our body doesn't work. And you know, you think about that, what, what kind of a sentence is that? To have a mind that's well working, but you can't you don't have a body to get up and do things or, you know, vice versa. A lot of times now, the, you know, we well, Jan 45:52 you know, I, it was a lady I'm speaking to and this was so sad the story because she had the, you know, been both The couple have both worked and all the rest of it. And they had this dream about when they retired, you know, they would go and buy a house in this. I don't know where it was, but they wanted to buy a house in this particular place. And they had enough money and they bought the house. Yeah. And of course, all they had all these plans, what they were going to do in their retirement. But in the meantime, they had actually put on so much weight. While they were working that yes, they managed to buy the house, but they could not do any of the things that they had planned to do now. Terry 46:35 Yeah, that's, that's amazing. I mean, I would hate hate to be in that situation, but you just don't, you know, you got to think you have, like you said earlier, you have to be more self aware of what's going on. So Roy Barker 46:50 you can address it. Yeah, and we challenge people to start earlier, because when you're in your 20s, and 30s, maybe even 40s, you don't think about it a lot, you know, you're you can, you can eat worse, and it not affect you as much. But then, you know, it's this compounding effect that we've talked a little bit about that, you know, all these bad habits start adding up. And then when you get to be a little bit older, it's hard to break these habits and make a switch. And sometimes, already, you know, like the diabetes and things, sometimes we've already became ill or you have a disease that we can't turn around or you know, it has negatively affected us in some other way that we can't recover from that. So, you know, get started early think about these decisions, because they're going to live with you the rest of your life. Exactly. Yeah. Terry 47:39 And tomorrow minute. I mean, tomorrow may never come Don't put it off. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sound like a commercial. Jan 47:47 Well, the thing is that so many things nowadays, you know, whether it's diabetes, or heart disease, or whatever, a lot of it is, it's within our control. Yeah, if we can look after ourselves, you know, it's not like COVID or something like that, which you really cannot control, you know. So it's really our own lifestyle that makes what the quality of our life the end of the day. Roy Barker 48:11 Yeah, I think go to a doctor and get checked out. Because just like myself, I just happened to find out that I was diabetic, and I wasn't that bad off. able to catch it soon enough. But it was an accident. I didn't think you know, wasn't feeling sick. And, you know, we had another guest. It's been quite a while. JOHN, I can't think I can't Alaska Cove Alaska, he he had a really poor diet. And he actually passed out, you know, at work from a diabetic coma, I guess and was taken to the hospital. And so anyway, just Terry 48:43 don't even know he I mean, he had no idea that he had diabetes. Roy Barker 48:47 I think his blood sugar was what in the four or five hundreds and anyway, yeah, it was something that he was able to catch and turn around. And but again, if you go to the doctor, find this stuff out in free screenings, you know, we're going to talk about that. We went to a free screening with something, but there's all kinds of things that you can do to try to find out where you are. So you can get yourself on a better course, if necessary, you can get Terry 49:14 hold of Jan and talk to her about figure it out. Yeah, she's very motivational. Yeah, I can get you going. Well, speaking Roy Barker 49:23 of that, we're gonna wrap Jan, do you have anything else that you want to add before we get away? Jan 49:29 No, I it's been a pleasure being on the program. It's been great. Well, thanks. I mean, I think really, I think people just have to remember that it's really our responsibility for our own health, you know, and, you know, it's just trying to think of what you're doing, be more aware of what you're doing, and think of what the future is going to be. Do you want to have a healthy future or not? Yeah, that's really it, you know, and really start looking at yourself. Roy Barker 50:00 Yeah. Alright. Jan, well, thanks a lot. Do you have a Is there a habit or a tool, something that you use in your daily life that really adds a lot of value that you think, Jan 50:13 okay, I mean, certainly I always start my day off in a positive note, alright. That's why they call me the positively pink personal trainer. So really, what you want to do is, and my advice is achieve something every single day, it doesn't matter what it is, you know, clearing out a desk or clearing out a kitchen drawer. It doesn't have to be anything big, or even just making a decision to say, you know what, I'm going to start looking after myself. And you're going to say to yourself, Well, let's think of the solutions on how I can do that. Yeah, Roy Barker 50:51 I love that we need to be nice to ourselves, too. Because just thinking to be kind, because I'm the worst. If I've got 10 things on my to do list, if I get seven done, I'll drag around being upset about these three. So you know, if you get up and you make these accomplishments, even if they're small, celebrate them. It's something that you've done, and you need to be happy, and it's motivating. I think it'll motivate Oh, yeah. Next thing? Terry 51:17 Yeah, like that. Roy Barker 51:18 Yeah. All right, Jen. So tell everybody who do you like to work with? How can you help them? And of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you? Jan 51:25 Well, I really I specialize in older women over the age of 50. Certainly, because that's because I am somebody over 50 that I have a rapport with these people. So that's the people I tend to tend to work with. They are certainly people who are overweight. Yeah. And they need to get fitter. That's the important thing. Yeah. So really, probably the best, the best way to get ahold of me is if you go to my website, Jan Malloch.com. And you can see what I've got to offer and whatnot. And then obviously, you can contact me via email, or go on to Google and look up Jan Malloch. And you'll find my Facebook, my LinkedIn, my Twitter, my all my different connections. So connect with them as they are. Roy Barker 52:07 Yeah. Okay, awesome. And that the spelling of that last name is m a l l o c h. Yeah, and we will include all that in the show notes, but just in case you're having them road and pull over and want to jot that down. Get over now Terry 52:24 Don't cry. Roy Barker 52:26 All right, well, thanks so much. We appreciate our listeners as well. Again, this is gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Im Roy. of course you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com We're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify for not only one that she listened to please reach out we'd love to get it added make it easier for you to listen to us every week. Also, we're on all the major social media platforms probably hang out a little bit more on Instagram than others. And a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when it gets goes live. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Thank you Jan Malloch Website www.feedingfatty.com
Embrace The Intuitive Energy Healing Powers All Around Us with Peyton Goldberg The intuitive healing energy that constantly flows around us is absolutely amazing. Breathing, really intentional breathing is also a powerful influence on our bodies, minds, emotions, and souls. The arts of Reiki and Yoga take advantage of many natural ancient healing sources of energy and breathing. The practices have been around many years and proved themselves over time. About Peyton Peyton Goldberg is a Reiki Master/Master Teacher, a Professional Member of the International Center for Reiki Training, a Texas State Licensed Massage Therapist and a 500+ hr registered yoga teacher. Peyton works with the subtle human energy fields and pathways to aid her clients in their innate ability to heal on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels. In addition to her Reiki and intuitive energy work offerings, Peyton provides holistic bodywork and meridian-based therapies including massage, cupping, acupressure and Auriculotherapy. When she's not working one-on-one with clients, Peyton is teaching (and practicing) yoga locally at The Studio in Fort Worth. Connect with Peyton: www.oversoulfw.com peyton@oversoulfw.com IG: @oversoul.fw www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Embrace The Intuitive Energy Healing Powers All Around Us with Peyton Goldberg Tue, 6/29 6:10PM • 53:07 SUMMARY KEYWORDS reiki, people, energy, work, feel, yoga, day, started, reiki energy, practice, peyton, breathing, bit, body, reiki master, intuitive, mind, hands, training, clients SPEAKERS Terry, Peyton, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:08 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy, Terry 00:11 this is Terry. Roy Barker 00:12 We are the podcast that's chronicling our journey through wellness. And, you know, as we talk a little bit about when we first started, we were kind of focused on diet, not a diet, but more or less what we're eating, exercise and just total balance with a lot of things. But we know we've really moved into the mindset realm because we've I think we found that no matter what route you seem to want to go, if you don't get your mindset, right, it's not going to be sustainable, and you probably won't have much success, you know, in the long run. So anyway, you know, on Tuesdays, we have our guests professionals in the field and then on Thursday, we have our little catch up with what's going on with us and we've kind of had a diabetic or diabetes focused the last few weeks just trying to struggle with that. So we're just trying to put some information out there not only get me back on track, but to help others as well. So but today, we have an awesome guest with us and Carrie I'm gonna let you introduce Payton, Terry 01:15 Peyton Goldberg. She works with the subtle human energy fields and pathways to aid her clients in their innate ability to heal on the physical, mental, emotional and spiritual levels. In addition to her Reiki and intuitive energy work offerings, Peyton provides holistic bodywork and meridian based therapies including massage, cupping, acupressure, and ayurveda. feel you're gonna have to say that one. Therapy when she's not working one on one with clients payment is teaching and practicing yoga. locally at the studio in Fort Worth. She is a Reiki Master Master Teacher, a professional member of International Center for Reiki training, a Texas state licensed massage therapist and has 500 plus hours of registered yoga teacher teaching. Peyton, welcome to the show. We're happy to have you today. Thank you. I'm happy to be here. Roy Barker 02:16 Yeah, we have a little bit of personal experience. Terry, I'll let you explain all. Terry 02:21 I have known Peyton, she she and my daughter went to high school and graduated together. And they were they were two peas in a pod. And so I know her many ways. This, this is so cool to see where you have evolved to and how you got there. So let's talk a little bit about that. And how you found yourself in this position of training, Reiki and doing yoga and all that. Peyton 02:58 Yeah, so it was kind of a roundabout path to get here. If you ask me 20 years ago, if I'd be doing this, I probably not believe you but me Are you about to say I'm sure you like yes. But how really all this came into my life. I mean, even as a child, I think I was always very interested in things that I deemed as magical. And you know, this may be the closest thing to magic we have in real life. And so, I was always interested in the far out and the esoteric and just, you know, the big questions of life, like why are we here? How does everything work and whatnot. And I think some of that curiosity had made me more open minded for the path that eventually came. But when I was in college, and just randomly out of nowhere, going into my sophomore year, I was super depressed, it came out of nowhere. just miserable kind of lost any will to live just very soon as suicidal, so anxious that I can barely leave my apartment. I was just really really miserable self medicating with drugs, alcohol, food, you name it. Just really truly my rock bottom I was prescribed a plethora of medications and kind of kind of went through the wringer with Western medicine and pharmaceutical culture. And just here's a pill for this. Here's a pill for that. And a symptom came with a pill. Here's another one and I was just a zombie for probably three years and just completely numb. My mom was super concerned and had I been closer to home. I went to school in Mississippi, she probably would have been a lot more concerned but that space probably didn't make it exactly as real as it was. But she was desperate looking for alternative ways to help me. She kind of stumbled upon upon Reiki energy medicine, vibrational medicine, law of attraction, all that kind of stuff and something clicked on. And I was able to just start utilizing these tools in my life then and it's just evolved from there. But I've been able to, you know, come off of all medications and get myself in a good place. Yeah, just a complete one at truly. And now I started offering it to other people, because if I could do it, anybody can, Terry 05:23 you know, go ahead. Roy Barker 05:25 No, I just said, that's, that's a great story. And I think that, you know, coming from a place of using it in the help that it gave you, then I think that even probably makes you a much better practitioner when you're trying to help other people. Peyton 05:39 Yeah, I can really empathize. I've been there. I mean, I've felt horrible. And I know what it's like to feel that way. Yeah. Terry 05:46 Yeah. And and have drugs thrown at you. I mean, I think so many people find themselves in that situation. And it's like, Okay, well, that one didn't work. Let me have another one. Well, that one doesn't work. Well, maybe you're you've got anxiety, maybe you know, all these other symptoms, from taking the medications come up. And it's just right. It's crazy. Totally. Peyton 06:07 You know, not to say that medicine is not necessary in all cases, but there are just so many tools we have at our disposal to feel better without just masking symptoms. So to say. Terry 06:20 Yeah, and, I mean, finding the root cause 100% and really going to help you become, you know, as close to 100% as you can possibly get. So true. Roy Barker 06:33 No, and what I was going to be clear about here is that we we did not do the yoga or the other but we went through the Terry 06:42 say at the Reiki Oh, no. I like when he says, Yeah, I want to hear it. Come on, Roy. Roy Barker 06:50 Yo, yo, yo, Peyton 06:51 said, how you say that? Okay, I hear people say it all different ways. Roy Barker 06:56 She just laughs at me every time I have to say I love it. Like Terry 07:00 he said the Ricky. I'm like, 07:03 I forgot about her. But Ricky so I guess if you don't mind? Roy Barker 07:07 Can we just start kind of at the beginning to maybe. Cuz I mean, I'm I feel like I'm pretty progressive, but I've never heard of this before. And so maybe we could just kind of explain what the concept is to those that may not know what it is. Peyton 07:25 Sure, absolutely. So Reiki is a light touch hands on energy healing technique originated in Japan. But a lot of people believe you know, this kind of laying on it while it did laying on hands energy work, you know, way predates any, or the Reiki system of healing, essentially. But basically, it works by getting the body into a parasympathetic state, which is the branch of our nervous system, which is our rest digest, where we can truly heal you know, the body is an incredible machine and given the right environment, we can heal ourselves. I truly believe that we are yet to tap into our full potential as humans and there's a lot we can do to heal on all levels, physical, mental, spiritual, and otherwise, basically, you know, we are all energetic beings, we are electric beings. And the energy is generated by the hands of the person attuned to Reiki and it gives off, I have articles of science behind it giving off the electric energy, electromagnetic energy, which a lot of Western medicine devices rely on now, for regenerating bones bringing organs up to healthy basically their their ideal healthy vibration, same idea with the hands of the energy healers. The hands create the vibration and through physical property or principles of resonance entrainment, it can bring the lower vibration or off energy up to an energy that is more primed for healing or the ideal vibration. So to say, Terry 09:10 no, oh, go ahead. Peyton 09:12 Oh, no, as I say, that's just my Reiki in a nutshell. But there's, there's a lot that will still learn a lot of people feel like, Oh, it's a placebo effect. But now we're starting to see more and more research that that's not the case, there is a measurable energy coming from the hands. And, you know, it's really neat. And I think we'll be seeing more and more of that as we move into the future. Terry 09:36 So, so I know that you've had tons of training and everything, but also also has intuition has to do with it. I mean, do you feel like people are kind of chosen to do that to succeed at this energy? And Peyton 09:53 yes, and no, I mean, intuition is definitely important when I'm working one on one with clients, but we're For everybody, even if you have no interest in working with clients or, you know, working one on one with people, I truly believe that this is a skill that everyone can't Well, they can for 100% learn it. And they should it's, you can use it. You know, when you're cooking, when you're reading, driving and traffic, calming anxiety. I mean, the list goes on and on and on, you can give it to your pets, your family yourself. Yeah, so if you I think being intuitive, and empathetic sure, that helps build rapport and, you know, can kind of feel what your client is feeling. And that's helpful. But outside of the practitioner level, it's for everybody, and everybody can be successful with it. Terry 10:47 So can so can you walk us through what somebody would mean, if they came to you for a session? What just kind of a little bare bones of what's going on? Peyton 10:59 Yeah, so every Reiki practitioner has their own different flair. And I think that's what's so cool about it. But typically, how a session would start with me is what have you come in and let you share with me what you want to share. If you some people come for a specific issue, you know, stress or physical ailment or an injury, we're trying to, you know, speed up the healing time on, but some people just come, you know, as we are energetic beings, and a lot of us are empathetic and spongy, you can feel when your energy is off, or when you're ungrounded. And just kind of, I call it an energetic tune up. So I'll check in and see what is going on what your goal is. And then after we chat a little bit, I'll get you on the table. It's fully closed. It's not a massage, a lot of people believe it or get confused and think it is massage. But it's not, it's just a gentle laying on of hands or hovering of hands, some gentle movements over the body. And it starts, I always like to start with three deep breaths, I'm a yoga teacher. So breath is important to me, helps get people in the zone, as long as there's no allergies, I like to use some essential oils, aromatically, just to kind of get the body into that state, and then starting at the head, eventually moving down to the feet. I'll start by scanning the body kind of feeling, feeling what I feel, essentially. And then I take an intuitive approach. So there are some Reiki practitioners who use the traditional hand sets, which you know, have been taught to anybody who studied Reiki but my Reiki Master, who taught me really encouraged us to use intuition and just kind of go, we're guided, so gentle, laying on of hands, and, and then I'll finish off at the feet, sometimes in Palo Santo, or instance, at the end. And then I like to use crystals and play with tuning forks. So there's a lot of things I incorporate just as, as guided basis. Go ahead. Roy Barker 12:57 No, I'm just gonna say, you know, I'm gonna probably be a little vulnerable and share my experience, because it was fascinating to me, a couple, I mean, a lot of, you can kind of walk through it. But the first thing, while I love the incense and the music, and so we've started incorporating the music into our meditation time, which to me is very important. And I just, I don't know, there's something about the music that just really takes you away and lets you concentrate on nothing, you know, concentrate on yourself, your breathing, but I love that. So you started at my head, and you and my eyes were closed. So you can kind of guide me if I was wrong, but it's like you held an open palm over my forehead. Yep. And I will tell you the heat that came from that was not and I have to go back and let's let's kind of set the stage is that that Tuesday, I came on a Thursday night, the Tuesday prior to that I had a pretty rough day. Thursday, I had, you know, kind of like the Tuesday was the one two punch. And then Thursday was like the knockout. And I was just like, I mean, I was in such a place. And I'm like, I don't, you know, don't even really want to go, but I knew that I probably needed to go now more than ever. So I'll just say it was a bad couple of days. And anyway, the heat. I was just amazed at that. How I could feel it. I don't know. Could you feel it as much as I did? Peyton 14:26 Oh, yeah. Reiki hands get really hot. A lot of people are surprised by that. But you know, heat is just a form of energy. And so sometimes it's hotter than others. Some parts of the body are hotter than others. So every time is a little bit different, but that is very normal. Yes. Roy Barker 14:43 So then the other thing that was surprising is when you started working around me. I've had shoulder issues for you know, probably about the last 10 or 15 years. And, you know, some days hurts more than others. But it's funny because you went right to that show. holder, very first thing, which I just thought, you know, that was just a good example, I guess of the intuitiveness or however that you, you know, kind of work around that. Now, I don't know if that is that something that you could feel? Or were you just kind of led to go that direction? Peyton 15:19 Sometimes it's both the information kind of just comes how it comes for a long time, I doubted that and we'd be like, I'm sure if it's just my mind. But time and time again, I have people tell me similar things to you that, Oh, well, you went to that knee and you know, that knees been bothering me or something like that. And yeah, so I don't really know how it comes through. Occasionally, I can feel it on my body. But most of the time, it's just like this. Like, what I consider a download of just knowing. And I think it's God telling me where to go personally. But everybody probably feels a little different. Who's a practitioner? Roy Barker 15:57 Yeah. So the The other thing, I think, probably the biggest awakening from this to me was, you know, of course, I'd had this by a day. And at some point, I don't even remember at what point during this process, I mean, almost went into like, a catatonic state. I wasn't, I felt like you know, how you do when you're going to sleep. But you're still a little bit conscious of everything. But yet you're, you know, you're kind of having these weird dreams and weird thoughts. And so, you know, that's where I went to. And then it was like, all this energy rushed up from my legs in my stomach up into my chest. And it was like, my chest swelled up. And then, man, I remember it vividly. It was like, three words that kept coming to me were strength, wisdom, and patience, which is exactly what I needed at that point. But it was very, it was a kind of a surreal experience. When that all that started happening. Peyton 17:01 Yeah, I remember you sharing about your experience. And it's always cool to hear about what comes up for people. What you described, I like to refer to as the Reiki coma, which, you know, maybe it's not the best, that's just what I call it, because that's what it feels like, even if you're having thoughts. The body is so relaxed. And yeah, it's just really interesting. And that's that parasympathetic shifts that that inner that this energy, this universal, lifeforce energy helps people get into and when you're in that state and kind of receptive, that's when those downloads of information that your higher self, I believe wants you to hear can be heard. Roy Barker 17:42 Yeah. It's funny that the whole chest swelling, I took that to be like, confidence, like, you know, stand up, be strong, be firm. Just funny how it all work together. Terry 17:55 I remember you came home and said, Oh, my God, I just felt like Superman. I just yeah. Yeah, yep. Right there. Roy Barker 18:02 Yeah, exactly. And, you know, some of that, I think, is the strength part, too, you know, don't be the I took it like this, don't be a wilting flower is tough, but you got to stand up and be firm. And you know, you can still be empathetic and be nice, and be firm and stand up for yourself as well. And that's kind of where it took me through that. And then, but anyway, so that was all really awesome. And then I think the last thing that you talked about was intent. I can't remember which way it goes. If you were pulling energy down into my legs are pushing it up, but it was something about something about that. Peyton 18:42 Yeah, I would have to go back and look at my notes from this session. But a lot of times, people either one way or the other, spend a lot more energy in the upper chakras. And if that's the case, and we pull some of the energy down and just ground them. Reiki can get you into that floaty state. So I always like to end with grounding. So if I had to bet I thought we were kind of pulling some of that energy down just kind of anchoring you back into the physical here and now space because it can be a little floaty. Yeah. Terry 19:13 Do you remember which, Roy, do you remember which chakra he said that? Roy Barker 19:19 Well, now that she mentioned it, I think that's what the deal was. I think I had everything up in my chest and stomach and I think she was pulling it down for the grounding but also something about the maybe the legs and traveling on a trip but just you know, the movement. Peyton 19:35 I felt like I feel like I'm remembering something about your knees. Now granted, this was a little bit ago. So you know, memories not the best but I feel I definitely remember something with your legs. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, cuz Terry 19:48 I remember when I remember when I came back, the throat chakra Of course. That's That's the one. explain about that. Yeah. So they're just the throat chakra shoppers in general, well, maybe just kind of the throat chakra, for sure. And then maybe just kind of a general, that's where you Peyton 20:11 just like the highlight reel of what chakras are basically their energy centers of the body. Typically, when people reference them, they're talking about the seven major chakras that are aligned up from the base of the spine to the crown of the head. But there are also many other chakras, minor ones throughout the body and off the body in the auric. Field, the throat one in particular, it has a lot to do with boundaries, self expression, creativity, speaking our truth, speaking our true feelings and our emotions. So it's related to a lot of that kind of stuff. But you know, no, shocker is an island they are all interconnected. And yeah, so in the end, they ebb and flow. So if you have throat issues, that doesn't mean that the throats always gonna have stagnation or blockages. Energy is always moving. And same with same with us as energy beings. Right? Terry 21:15 Oh, man. You know, I was going to ask you, have you opened this might digress a little bit. But at so can you recall, what was the strangest session that you've ever been involved in? Oh, gosh. I mean, just you in general, or with a client? Peyton 21:36 Well, I've had some crazy energy work experiences me as the client and person on the table, which were pretty astounding, some people's intuitive skills are just incredible. I've a healer that I had gone to in the past. She's a very strong, medium, and psychic. And some of the things she could pick up on were incredible. This was right after my great grandmother died probably five or six years ago, and she was able to send her in the room with me. And that was pretty cool. I don't I mean, I guess I haven't had anything too weird happen. So I guess, you know, some people's experiences are weirder than others. But weird is subjective. And I just say that, for lack of a better word. They're all good. I mean, not weird in a bad way. But just you know. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I guess the level that I feel on my body when I'm working on certain people is interesting. Sometimes Sometimes I'll get so hot that like, my back is sweating, I get a sweat moustache, I can feel like the crown of my head just dripping. And usually That to me is indicative of this is some energy that we need to clear. And put that up. I mean, how do you take all of that from what you know from a session and not put it in, you do it on yourself. That's the beautiful thing about Reiki energy is it can do no harm. So there's tons of different forms of energy work. But energy or Reiki comes straight from God. So it's not my energy, I'm not channeling my own energy. And I'm just simply opening up and letting this energy flow through me into the person plants or thing I'm working on. And so No, I do not absorb anything. And I don't have to even really do much to you know, make sure that doesn't happen, of course, I mean, I wear some crystals on me. And I do give myself Reiki and I always ground myself and clear my energy after a session. But that's what sets Reiki apart from other styles of energy work, because it is not my energy, I am just a channel for it. That's, that's the beauty of Reiki, when people are working from their own energy, that's when things can get complicated and pick up things you don't want and vice versa. Have that exchange, you know, passing the practice practitioner stuff on to a client as well. Roy Barker 24:08 Yeah, I was just interested. I mean, you kind of mentioned that you get a little bit hot and sweaty sometimes, but what are other feelings that you get, you know, when you're working on an end? Do you go into that? That Reiki coma as well? Or do you stay and that sounds kind of odd to be like that, I don't know if you can go into that. Peyton 24:31 Yeah, I'm definitely in a very meditative state. So and the cool thing about giving Reiki is you get it while you give it so even times like you described me were like, I kind of don't want to go to the session. Even if I feel that way after I'm like, oh, man, I feel so much better. So I give his or I receive as I give. I feel oftentimes I feel tingling. I feel kind of buzzing pulsation, I always get this weird sensation in one of my bottom teeth. Like, it's really weird and I don't know what it means I have no I literally have no idea but sometimes when the Reiki is really flowing, I get this sensation in my second tooth over. And it's it's strange. Terry 25:14 That's strange. Peyton 25:15 Yeah, I know. I wish someone could tell me more about that. Because I'm not so sure. But um, that's, that's a weird thing I feel sometimes. And then I see I see things, I see colors. I see colors most often working on different parts of the body. And that's become kind of common for me, but heat tingles, pulsation, and then that to thing are some of my most common sensations. Roy Barker 25:46 Do you? Do you keep your eyes open? Or do you close your eyes? Peyton 25:50 I'm close, probably 90% of the time. When I'm transitioning to a new body part I opened my eyes that I'm less distracted and can stay in the zone better with my eyes, for sure. Roy Barker 26:03 Because like me, you know, my first time and I think you have to the one thing I guess I would preface all of this by saying is you have to go with an open mind. Because for sure, I'm assuming that if all you're going to do is prove somebody wrong, you will be able to prove them wrong because you are, you know, found the person is in control with their mind. So you have in like myself, I went in with a very open mind. But when once I got on the table, I just close my eyes and really tried to focus on breathing. So I was kind of meditative state. Not only calming down from the day, from the day, but also put myself in a better place to, I guess help you help me. Peyton 26:49 Right in I tell you I even people that are super, super skeptical after having a Reiki experience, like they get it afterward. Like it took my dad five years of begging him to try it like giving him giving him sessions for his birthday and Father's Day and Christmas and every single opportunity and he's very, like, type a logical very, like I need proof. But anyway, now he sees me almost every month for a Reiki session. So I granted most people that come and see me are pretty open minded. I don't if you're if you find me you you're probably a little more spiritual minded. But yeah, even people in my experience who have been rather skeptical, like once they feel it, they get it. Roy Barker 27:44 So what do you feel like afterwards because when I came home, I was just totally drained. I had no energy. And it wasn't a bad thing. But it was like my mind. My mind had been cleared and reset. And then of course, I just felt that little draining feeling in my body as well. Peyton 28:02 Right? People feel a number of different ways, kind of depending on what got cleared what needed to happen in the session. Some people feel like amped up and feel kind of riding high on the Reiki waves and then some people also feel really tired, lethargic, really thirsty energy word can be sneaky dehydrating. So it's always good to really rehydrate. I always feel pretty good. I mean, at the end of the day, if I have a bunch of Reiki sessions, I'll be tired for sure. But it gets me lifted. It feels. Yeah, I love working with it. Now massage, on the other hand makes me pretty tired. But Terry 28:43 like that, I mean, I felt like I had just had a massage but not mean I didn't want to go to sleep. But I right. I felt very relaxed and very rested. Peyton 28:54 Yes, you're just kind of in a very peaceful state. Most people are when they leave for sure. Yeah. Roy Barker 29:01 The other thing for people that may not live worse, if they live in the Fort Worth Dallas area, they need to check anybody else out, they just need to come see you. Let's just say if somebody is living somewhere else, how how would you choose the right person? Because it's kind of I guess there's got to be some kind of connection as well. Correct? Peyton 29:23 Yeah, I think that that's really important. For any like one on one connection, whether you're working with a doctor, chiropractor, whatever it is, you want to feel an energetic resonance with that person. So a lot of time, you know, hopefully you can get a referral from someone but if not, it may just be a little trial and trial and error going in meeting with them and it's always good to see if they'd be willing to like chat with you before the session just so you can get a feel. Because Yeah, I definitely think that's important. Terry 29:57 I'm sorry, yeah, and uranium are they looking for Yeah, so Peyton 30:01 I mean, there are so many different Reiki schools, lineages, traditions. So I would make sure that someone actually is certified because Reiki is not something you can learn out of a book or learn on YouTube. You can, you know, repeat the steps, but you're not getting plugged into that same true energy and you're falling more in the category of self energy work versus channeling that Reiki energy. So you want to have trained from a real Reiki Master Teacher, you want to have someone who has received the attunements. And how I explained the attunements. It's basically like, think of yourself as a radio. And sure, you can get white noise, you can get that static. But once you turn the dial and land on a station, that's when the good stuff comes through. So kind of the same with Reiki, when you go through your training, you are given a two minutes basically connecting you with Reiki energy for life. And once you're dialed in, you can channel that directly without any ego or you know, personal stuff getting in the mix, if that makes sense. Yeah, so those are things those are things I would look for the International Center of Reiki training website. ict.org, is where I found my Reiki Master back in the day, because I wanted something that was vetted, and I wanted to make sure I was learning from someone who knew what they what they were doing, for sure. But there's, there's that's not the only one. So I mean, just a little research due diligence, make sure they have credentials, and yeah, and then just your vibe, I mean, you want to make sure you can connect with somebody. So chat with them go see, um, you know, Terry 31:54 yeah, Roy Barker 31:55 I think Terry talked a little bit about this, but this more in depth. So even if there's somebody that says, I really am into I'm a, I guess I'm I enjoy getting the Reiki. And so now I want to be one I want to help others. But is there kind of like a, the intuitive part like some people just have it and then some people can work and work and work and never get dialed in? Or is it something that with practice, you can finally get yourself there? Peyton 32:26 I think everybody is innately very, very intuitive, and connected with an inner knowing is just through all of our conditioning and you know, brainwashing through society. And you know, the education system. Don't get me started. But, you know, I think we've become out of touch with that. And I think that there's a lot of agendas that have, you know, separated us from this innate knowing connection with source connection with our higher selves. But I do believe everybody is intuitive. People just don't realize they are. But yeah, like everything it's a practice is just, the more you use Reiki, the more it gets, works on you and through you, the more your energy shifts, he I mean, you will, for me, it was just the most transformational thing to invite into my life. I from where I was, when I first did my first Reiki class, to where I am now I just don't even recognize that person. So I think you do. The more you connect with that energy, the more you you'll see changes for sure. So I do think intuition can be developed deeper, but it's always there if that makes sense. Yeah, Roy Barker 33:37 yeah. You can kind of it's all its underlying. Use it for good. Yes. Yes, definitely. Terry 33:45 Peyton How many? How many years? Have you been doing it? Um, Peyton 33:50 so yeah, I've been doing working with people one on one since 2017. And then I've been doing it full time since last year. I always kind of just did it kind of had like a day job and did Reiki on the side. Along with teaching. I always taught yoga too. But yeah, so for four or five going on for five years now. Yeah. And then I started teaching teaching Reiki this last year. So that's a newer endeavor, but I knew from my first Reiki level one training that I took as a student, I knew that was something I wanted to do at some point because the world needs more Reiki practitioners. Terry 34:36 Have you gone or have you gone to get training? Peyton 34:40 So the woman I trained under my Reiki Master, her name is Karen Harrison, and she's based out of Missouri, Kansas City, and she travels around to some of the neighboring states. I think she does trainings in Texas, maybe Arkansas and a couple other ones and Anyway, she she was coming to Dallas and I found her and looked at her website and even just looking through someone's website, you can kind of tell if there is a resonance, you know, like, you know, anyways, I felt I felt good about her and I just took that leap. And I trained with her all the way through level one level two advanced Reiki training Reiki Master. Yep. So she I always caught her when she came through to Dallas. Roy Barker 35:24 Is it a group training or individual one on one? Peyton 35:27 Yeah, so you can catch them both ways. Some teachers offer one on ones. But most of time, it's in small groups. Usually the groups aren't anything crazy big. Because you know, as the teacher, you want to be able to give everybody good attention and answer all the questions. And when the group is too big, it's kind of hard to make it a special experience for everybody. Terry 35:48 And how did how, how did lockdown affect you? Because, you know, it's a hands on thing. So how do it through? Through? Oh, Peyton 35:57 yeah, well, you can do energy work distant, you know, energy transcends time and space. So when you look at quantum entanglement, you know, we are all interconnected on the most basic levels. So energy can get anywhere very quickly. And a lot of that through intention. So, distance is a thing. I never stopped. I could, I felt that it was really important to continue seeing people then more than ever, and I, I wasn't particularly afraid. I felt protected. I felt, I felt that it was part of my purpose to continue seeing people and helping them through this time. Because as you know, we all know, mentally, physically, emotionally, this was heavy in, in my mind, this was the most important time to keep up with yourself in those in those realms. Yeah, if we had, unless you have anything else, Terry, can we transition to yoga for just a minute? Terry 36:58 Yeah, of course. Yeah. I love yoga. Roy Barker 37:02 No, I just, you know, I think that, to me, I think all this is related. And I think yoga, but I'm assuming I got I'll put this as a question that it's a pretty good sister to the Reiki. Is that correct? Peyton 37:15 Oh, yes. 100%. Um, I actually did my yoga training, because I wrote my first teacher training because I thought it would be a good tool to use with my Reiki clients, I wanted to be able to give them some physical movements and postures to help the flow of energy. Because Yoga is just an excellent tool, the mind and body are so intrinsically connected in, we have lost that connection. And there's so much wisdom from the body. And when we can reestablish and rewire to really feel again. Yeah, and yoga is one of the most successful ways to start that rewiring. Roy Barker 37:59 The one thing that I've done it a little bit off and on over the years, but the one thing I kind of get out of it is the breathing. And I don't know that we know that. The layman understands how important breathing is to us. For you know, stress for a lot of things, you know, make, you know, when you get put in that position, you know, there's some but some people say like, step back, take three deep breaths. And then there's people like me that are very shallow breathers, typically, and I mean, to the point of other people have noticed, and you know, I've told this a few times, I used to be in a martial arts and, you know, I would have my Sensei, he, when he would be walking by, he'd be like, take a breath. It's alright, fall out here. And it's also happened in a painting class, you know, the lady was doing her thing. And I guess I was all I wasn't tense, but just concentrating and not breathing. And so anyway, after a couple instances like that, I hung on sign over my desk. And that was one thing I wrote on it was breathe. And people would always laugh and say, you got to tell yourself to breathe. No, but to deep those deep breaths that help us Peyton 39:09 to breathe correctly. And that's the thing you know, probably I would say, 98% of people day today, do not breathe correctly, whether it's shallow or through the mouth, or whatever the problem may be. We're just swallowing air essentially. breath is so important, because breath regulates all the systems of the body. It's our major form of detoxification. Really, it is the key to everything when you can breathe properly. I personally believe very little disease can exist. Yeah, and pranayama or breath work is an ancient practice. You know, cultures, from the beginning of time have been practicing different breathing tricks, techniques, navy seals, practice it to stay calm. So there really is something to it, and yeah, it's been one of the best things for me personally to have the yoga practice because I was very asthmatic growing up, I had a chronic pneumonia. You were hospitalized for it, you know, more times than I can count on a hand. And ever since I really started practicing yoga, no issues with that anymore. No anxiety, or I mean occasionally, like with situational things, like the first day of doing something, whatever, a little jitter. But night and day, it just so much healing came from just learning to breathe better. And being mindful of it. I mean, we're not going to breathe perfect all the time that you catch it kind of like your sign. So that's, that's important. Roy Barker 40:41 Yeah. And just a message to those that feel, you know, sometimes we see people on TV that do yoga, and they do the crazy stuff. And we're like, oh, my gosh, I could never do stuff. But you know, I think the message and I'll let you expound on it is that there are modifications to all movies. And so there is something for everybody in the yoga realm. Peyton 41:05 True. And I mean, more than anything else, people people do associate, you know, the Instagram yoga aesthetic, like someone has a foot over here behind their head or whatever. And, you know, that's cool. It's, you know, mind body connection. And there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with doing handstands or anything. But truly Yoga is paying attention in breathing. And there's a whole I mean, true, like yoga is more of a practice of a lifestyle. You know, I can recommend several good books about the yamas and niyamas. And, yeah, it's really just adopting a lifestyle, all the kind of postures came later on, and that a lot of that has become very westernized. But true yoga, I always tell new students because it is intimidating coming to a yoga class. I was too. I was an at home Yogi for a long time. I was scared to go to a class. But if you were paying attention in trying your best to you know, just notice breathing, and breathe a little slower, a little more purposeful. You are doing amazing yoga. That's the most important thing to remember. Even if you can't get out of a chair or bend over. It doesn't matter who you you can still do amazing yoga. Terry 42:19 Yeah. And I felt I mean, that's that's kind of meat. You were just speaking to me because I stayed away from it thinking that I couldn't do everything due to contortionist moves or whatever. And totally, you know, you can't just put something into a box and not go go there. And you've got to be curious. You have to be curious. You can do it. Anybody can do it. I said that you're gonna hold me to it. Yeah, Peyton 42:43 I know I am. I'm gonna make you come. But that's the thing too. And you also just got to find a studio that really vibes with you. Not all studios are the same. And you'll find the one that resonates with you teaching style that resonates with you. And yeah, I think sometimes you just gotta gotta shop around and experience some, but I will say the studio it job, which is called the studio, it's here in Fort Worth, not far from kind of main South Side area, it's over on Jennings. We are all very mindful teachers and try to accommodate everyone. We offer modifications, we often tell people, you know, feel free to ignore us, we really are big advocates of you listening to your body and doing what serves you because at the end of the day, we all may be in the same ish shape, but it is a completely different feeling and experience. So you know, that's it. And we were all really big proponents of that. Roy Barker 43:39 I think the other thing is that yoga people are using very chill and encouraging that you got to remember, you're not going to middle school gym where you're gonna be taunted or made fun of or, you know, get away or anything like that. Terry 43:55 Yeah. Yeah, give you Peyton 44:00 know, um, and I totally get that no, everybody, I it was my biggest fear going to studio that like, oh, people are gonna be watching me and I'm gonna be messing up. But as soon as you go to one class, you realize no one is paying attention to you. Everybody is in the zone on their mat. And that is one of my favorite things about going to the practice. It's just an hour for me, I can just tune out of my day, whatever kind of day I had drop into my body, my sensations, my breath, and not think about anything for an hour. Roy Barker 44:32 Yeah. And then, I think kind of going hand in hand with this. And I know we're running a little bit long. But the meditation and again, there's things that we can do and I guess we started meditating in conjunction with this, but you know, you see the, the statues and the kind of caricature is on the cartoons about the people you know, they sit and hold their hands out like this. Which when I first started, you know, I was like, I'm not doing the stereotype, I'm just, you know, you're gonna soak it all in. But it's, it's strange because right around them. When I came to see you, I think it was a little after that I started doing that, because I actually felt like it was a way to receive, you know, good, the good energy is to bring that in and kind of like, I hate to say but like a, like an antenna where you can capture that. Peyton 45:29 Totally, I mean, the different hand motions are called mudras. And they are a part of, you know, ancient yogic teachings. And that is exactly what they are. They're supposed to align you with different energies, whether it's something invigorating, something calming, you know, different elements, what have you. But yeah, I think the most important thing for people to remember with meditation is that you can't turn the mind off, the mind thinks like the heartbeats. The point is not to clear your mind. The point is to not follow those thoughts down the rabbit hole. So I had a teacher tell me once before that, even if you have to bring yourself back into the present moment, a million times, just do that compassionately. That is what it's about, it's not about, you know, or even just like, a minute of mindfulness sitting there can be more profound than 30 minutes, you know, it doesn't have to be this laboris thing that kind of is a pain in the ass to even want to take on, you know, yeah, many, many moments of mindfulness, Roy Barker 46:32 I typically do about 10 minutes, which is easy. You know, I was having this discussion with a guy the other day. And he was just saying, like, I can't get my mind to stop. And I'm like, but that's the point is you're working on it. And I said, like me, there are days that I'm all over the place, and, but I stick with it. Because on average, I can finally work myself into, and I just, I've tried to focus on my breathing, you know, and that's also a time for me to, to have my gratitude to do all the things that I'm thankful for all the things that, you know, I think Terry read this somewhere about asking for things to come in our life, instead of instead of looking at your neighbor and say, Oh, they got a new car, why don't I have one? It's like, sir, you say what? Terry 47:19 Praise? You praise them? Just, you know, Oh, I'm so thankful that they've gotten that maybe show me some of that. Please, may I have some of that, hey, there's so much abundance in this world, that there's enough for everybody. Peyton 47:35 And a mindset of not thinking in terms of lack in thinking or in terms of gratitude is super powerful. So Roy Barker 47:44 yeah, I'm right there with you. To kind of goes with you know, staying in our own lane, we, you know, kind of like we talked about the yoga. Other people really aren't paying attention to us in life, we need to stay in our own lane, do our own thing on our own race, however you wanna say it's, Peyton 48:00 yeah, all we can do is work on ourselves. Unfortunately, we can't change people. So Roy Barker 48:04 you know. Yeah. And there's a couple things that you know, those that, what is it those that care don't mind and those that mind, don't care, something, something like that. So, it's always good just to focus on ourselves what we can do. And, again, I it's a fine line, we can't criticize and be beat ourselves up. But you know, my position is that, even if I have a good day, or am a good, do good today, you can always do better, you know, and try to strive to just be something a little bit better every day, they'll small steps over time. Add a huge, Peyton 48:40 totally just singing competition with yourself only. Terry 48:43 Yeah. Roy Barker 48:46 Well, well. Like I said, I know we're running late. So Terry, unless you've got anything else. We'll try to wrap this up real quick. Yeah, either one of y'all have anything else that you want to know. Peyton 48:56 Thank you for inviting me onto your podcast. This Terry 48:58 is nice to finally oh my gosh, it took like, Roy Barker 49:03 yeah, so tell us dessert? Well, I mean, you've got a lot like Jason and the yoga and but is there something else that you may use every day or something that you do you feel adds a lot of value to your life. Um, Peyton 49:19 maybe this came through all my practices, you know, the Reiki, the yoga, whatnot, but I just tried to practice radical self awareness. You know, we're human, at the end of the day, we're never going to be infallible creatures, we're never going to be perfect. But I think just learning to recognize those shadow parts of yourself as well as those light parts of yourself and you know, not judging them, not attaching to them. But just recognizing and becoming aware, is the most important tool that we can practice. And I think just noticing what you notice, I say that a lot in yoga, but yeah, I think that that's probably what I use the most every single day. Yeah, just paying attention, noticing without judgment and not being too hard on yourself giving yourself lots of compassion, we're never gonna be perfect. Why try? It's just a waste of time. Terry 50:12 Designed here. So for sure, be kind Peyton 50:14 to yourself, people are so mean to themselves, we're our worst. Terry 50:18 You know, we're bad. If we can be horrible, you can count on me a beat and myself, you know? Definitely. But, you know, we're just, we're just humans. Roy Barker 50:30 Well, I think, you know, again, if, if everybody would just open their mind up, and just try to take it all in, I think we would be probably be nicer to each other as well, instead of having this seems like a lot of pent up hostility is, you know, let's figure out something to take that away. We should be nice. Perform acts of kindness for other people random, you don't have to expect something back. But do it. Terry 50:57 Don't get Yeah. Yeah. Peyton 51:00 When we're nice to ourselves, it's easier to be nicer to other people and not project on them, when we can recognize the parts of ourselves that aren't so wonderful, you know, we can be more compassionate to when we experience those not so wonderful sides of other people. And I mean, that's a practice in and of itself. And I think that that's the most important practice, and it's hard. And, you know, every day is a little different. We all get triggered, but um, yeah, I definitely agree. Roy Barker 51:25 All right, Peyton, thank you so much for taking time to be with us. I know you've got a lot going on. So tell us where they can reach out to you for the Yeah, so my or for the yoga? Peyton 51:38 Yeah, so my website is www.oversoulfw.com. You can find me on instagram at oversoul.fw. And then the studio I teach at is called The Studio in Fort Worth, Texas. It's on Jennings. I teach Mondays, Wednesdays Thursdays and Fridays. And yeah, all of our teachers are awesome. So come see us. And yeah, if anyone is interested in Reiki trainings, my next one is this August, the 14th and the 21st for level one and two. So yeah, those are the best ways to get in touch. Roy Barker 52:15 All right. Terry 52:16 Well, Roy Barker 52:16 y'all reach out I know Peyton can help you get on the right track with one of the many practices and it's worth it. Like I said, go in with an open mind. You'll be surprised what you'll get out of it. Yeah. All right. that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am your host, Roy. And you can find us at ww.feedingfatty.com. We're all on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. We're also on all the major social media platforms probably hang out on Instagram a little bit more than others. A video of this conversation won't go up on YouTube once the episode goes live. So if there's anything we can do to help anybody get you in the right place, please let us know. We'll be glad to do what we can. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Connect with Peyton: www.oversoulfw.com peyton@oversoulfw.com IG: @oversoul.fw www.feedingfatty.com
Running To The Beat of His Own Drums and Pulling Them 100 Miles Behind Him with Bob Thomas What started out as a joke ended up being a walk or charity. Can you even imagine walking 100 miles? Now visualize walking those 100 miles towing a drum kit on a trailer. This is exactly what professional drummer Bob Thomas set out to do. About Bob I'm Bob, a 23-year-old full-time drummer who also loves ultra-endurance. I'm an Ironman Wales finisher and have become obsessed with ultra running. I have come up with a challenge to combine music and running which is to run a 100-mile ultramarathon towing my drum kit, I will then set it up and play a gig with my band directly after the run. Donation page: virginmoneygiving.com/100miledrumkittow Instagram: @bobthomasdrums Facebook: bob thomas drums YouTube: Bob Thomas www.feedingfaty.com Full Transcript Below Running To The Beat of His Own Drums and Pulling Them 100 Miles Behind Him with Bob Thomas Sun, 6/27 11:31AM • 47:59 SUMMARY KEYWORDS drum kit, running, gig, drummer, people, training, bit, trailer, miles, started, eat, minutes, good, iron man, play, couple, marathon, hill, music, problem SPEAKERS Bob, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:10 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty This is Roy. Terry 00:14 Terry. Roy Barker 00:14 So we're podcasts that journaling or chronicling our journey through wellness. And no, we've begun to figure out at first we talked a lot about diet, not being on a diet, but just you know what we eat, consume, exercise, but we've made a, you know, we've also kind of shifted into that mindset realm that we have to, you know, be able to change our mindset to to make sustainable changes. And so on Tuesdays, we usually release an episode with the guest either a professional in the industry, or somebody telling us their story. And then on Thursdays, we release more of a personal episode. And we've been talking a lot about diabetes. That's one thing I struggle with, keep in mind under control. So anyway, I want to thank you for being a listener. And if you're new Welcome to the show. And we've got a great guest today. This has been exciting. We've been waiting a couple of weeks to get Bob on here. So Terry, I'll let you introduce Bob. Terry 01:11 Bob Thomas is a 23 year old ultra runner and professional drummer from West Wales. He's been playing drums since the age of seven, and performing full time at 17. All over the UK. He started his fitness journey in early 2018, when he ran his first marathon and progressed to an Iron Man in 2019. After the lockdown hit in 2020, he saw it as an opportunity to push his limits further and is training to take on 100 miles while towing his drum kit behind him. Bob, thank you so much for joining us. Welcome to the show. Bob 01:49 Pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. Roy Barker 01:51 Yeah, and you're quite the you're quite the contrast. Because typically, you know, we think of musicians and drummers, they they live kind of an ultimate lifestyle up on that. And then, you know, probably, I would say not the best, you know, they're surrounded by probably a lot of liquor, a lot of good food. And a lot of Yeah, so it's like, it's just, it's an interesting concept. So kind of tell us a little bit, you know, about what kind of music that you play first, you know, how you got into music into the band. And then tell us a little bit of you know, about your focus on fitness. Bob 02:29 Yeah, it's funny you say about that. That's, that's a lot of the reason why I ended up getting into fitness is because I was like out most nights playing gigs, and then having to drive home drive horrendous miles and just eating the worst fast food all the time. And that's where the fitness really came from. But yeah, so I started from a really young age plan. And I learned through school, basically. And I used to get a 15 minute lesson once a week, and then sort of give me a book and say, right, go and go practice, come back. And that progressed up and and then just decided it was sort of what I wanted to do. So I went to bed. Basically, when I was 16. I left school, and did a little bit of work helping out my parents and sort of thought, right, okay, well, let's try and make something of music. And there's like the local city to me is Cardiff, which is about two hours away. And I sort of just went up there on the site, right, let's try and meet some musicians. So I sort of put my head around once this in venues and sort of try to be friendly with some guitarist and bass players and things and eventually just sort of gotten a couple of bands and started playing and then yeah, just just kept progressing, which which is good fun. And it got Yeah, yeah, very good to the point of playing multiple nights a week or so doing lots of teaching. You can see behind me that there's this kicks up that they should be one there. But I had a gig last night so that that was gone. He sat in my car at the moment. So yeah, it was great. And then just just lots of gigs all over the place and learn to read music. So I play for, like theater shows and things. So I didn't get booked for sort of like four to six weeks on, like small theaters or around the UK, where we do sort of like three to five days in a in a venue just multiple shows. But again, it's just it's lots of it's always it's always very intense in a very short amount of time. So usually like my Monday to Thursday is usually fairly quiet. But then it's sort of like Thursday night it's like right okay, well let's pack up the gear and get ready to go then Friday I'm off and it's Friday night gig Saturday to gigs, Sunday to gigs and then hope Terry 04:47 to be tired. Well as a as a drummer, you don't have a choice. You have to be fit if you want to be successful as a drummer. So I'm sure Bob 04:57 yeah, just just to get your drum kit from the cost The venue. Roy Barker 05:02 And, you know, when when we go to concerts a lot, you know, like more smaller venues, especially outdoors and stuff. It's like, you know, you see the guitar guy, he puts his guitar, in his case, and, you know, he walks away. And the bass says the same thing. And, you know, there's this poor drummer back there. He's got this whole big old drum kit, you know, he's trying to move on and offline. So I know I'm always thinking the same thing. I just played the flute that actually Terry 05:33 led to having stuff. You asked for it, you got it. Roy Barker 05:36 So tell us about this challenge where you're gonna, you're gonna is it 100 kilometers, and you're gonna tow your drum kit behind you. Bob 05:44 gnosis is 100 miles, 100 miles. Okay. I think that's about 180 kilometers. Roy Barker 05:49 Okay. Okay. Bob 05:51 That's a that's a best guess. But yeah, so it all it was a bit of a weird joke at the start. And because I live right on the west coast of Wales, and it's very rural, I live in political Pembrokeshire. And there's, there's like, there's more cows and people down here. So for me to go, like all my work, I have to basically go to the closest place I can do it is a city called swanzey, which is about sort of an hour and a half drive away, but more of it is done in Cardiff, which is about two hours just over. So I spend a lot of my time driving, but Cardiff is basically exactly 100 miles from my house. So that's where the majority of my gigs up. So when we hit lockdown, obviously, at the start, everyone thought it was going to be like two, three weeks. And I've done quite a bit of training then because about three or four months before that I've done my first Ironman, so relatively fit, close point. And I said to my mate, who's also a drummer, I said, I think I might train, loads of running really focused. And then when I when gigs, come back, I'll get someone I was thinking, like, I'll get my parents to take my drum get to the gig or something. And I'll run and, and then I'll do the gig and it's about 100 miles a bit like it'd be an ultramarathon, so it'd be great. And he sat there and listened to me say all that and he just went, yeah, but it doesn't really count unless you tow the drum kit. And my stupid brain went that's a brilliant idea. He's off the Christmas list now. Yeah. He's, uh, yeah, he is, is a good friend, but also a bad friend. Terry 07:37 Well, you're actually gonna be calling I mean, you're actually gonna be telling it yourself. Your body. Yeah, yeah. So I, I am the horse to the car. Yeah, Bob 07:47 it's a bit a bit mad. So it was kind of it was it was great. And it was like, I had no way I could actually do that. Like that would be, it'd be mental. So the first thing I do is start googling. Like, Has anyone done something like this? And there's been a few people who have like pulled cars from marathons and things like that, that looks pretty brutal. And I was like, Okay, well, no one's no one's really done this. So, so what I do, and then the the extra condition is that I that the challenge isn't finished when I end the run, because I have also hired my band to come to the end of the run and play a gig with me. So run 100 mile with the drum kit, then set it up, then play an hour's gig with them, and then set it down. And then and then I don't know, I'll probably just meet face down Terry 08:36 in the grass leap, or at least two weeks after that. Yeah, I hope so. Roy Barker 08:42 Are you going to push through and do like the 100? all at the same time? Are you going to like take a couple breaks in between? Bob 08:49 Yes, the plan is to do it. Pretty much all as one. So I allowing myself 48 hours to do it. Wow. And that's gonna involve I'm, I've got a, I've got a crew of five guys coming along to help me and they're gonna have a couple of cars and beat leapfrogging and there's a couple of spots where they have to sit behind me with a hazard zone. Because some of the roads quite quick. So I'm yeah, the idea is I start at 8pm on Thursday, the 22nd of July. And the idea is to go all the way through that night. And then when I get to the morning, I'll probably have a bit of a break for breakfast. But when I say a break, I mean less than less than 30 minutes. Yeah. Ideally, if we can keep all the breaks under 20 minutes, that would be great. We're pretty much just going to like, like plot all the labels on the way and I'll just keep stopping and then there'll be other things I need to do. Like, I need to change shoes at some point because my feet will swell. Probably change clothes. I imagine I'll need a change of clothes for night running than I will day running. Because of the heat difference, because we're we're in summer here, and not the world's as the hottest country in the world, but it can get slightly warm. And when I say slightly, I mean, not not very, but enough. So yeah, I'll probably have to get changed and things like that. And then I talked to a few people who've done like, really setting challenges like this before. A friend of mine, she did 200 miles recently. And it took her about 51 hours. And she said on on day two, she had to stop and she slept for 15 minutes. And in Canada. So I look forward to my 15 minute nap on days. Terry 10:42 Well, and how do you even start to figure out how to train for that? I mean, what's your what's your typical day as far as your training going? Bob 10:50 Yeah, but yeah, that that's, that's a, that's a weird one. Because it started off with just increasing the miles running. Which came to a point where I was running sort of like, like eight or nine hours a day. And then it just just get I'm just trying to get as many miles as possible. And then it got to the point where I got the trailer. And that that was weird, because the difficult thing with trailers is very hilly around here. So one is heavy and getting it up the hill is awful. But then the other problem is getting it down the hill. ilmi. And it's, it's, it's quite scary. Because when I first did it, I was like, Oh, well, we I got a friend to help out. And he got a break on it. And I was like, yeah, that's a really good idea. So we got this break that was on a rope. And the idea was like a rubber rubber on the hand pulled the brake should be absolutely fine. Well, we didn't take into account is actually, when I get to a steep hill, I have to really pull the brake. I took the first hill that I went down, and I got to the end of it. And I looked at my hand and it was like completely blew off circulation with the rope. I'd like to rope across my hand. I was like that was one Hill. Yeah, so I run because I'm on my last like training block now. Which is which basically involves me every other day running as many miles as I can trailer. So I did a marathon with it on Wednesday, just gone. And that took about eight hours to do. Which was which was fun. And it's just lots of hills. And I'm training with like twice the amount of Hill. So I'm, I cover 80 feet of climbing per mile on my training runs. But when I do the actual run, I only cover 50 feet of climbing per mile. Okay, I'm training a little bit harder than what it will actually be. But I'm not training the same distance because I just want to recover. That's the that's the thing I found hardest is trying to get enough training in, but also recover afterwards. And then and nutrition and things like that it's really hard because I track calories. And it's funny because some days I need to track calories to make sure I don't eat too much. But then other days, I have to track calories to make sure eight is enough. Because I think on Wednesday I burned an extra like 7000 calories or something is like well I don't know how to eat that Terry 13:42 much. It's many calories Do you need how many calories are trying to strive for Bob 13:48 so so it's really weird. So when when I'm when I'm moving I can I can basically take on about 160 calories an hour without feeling unwell. Because it's quite a common thing because because when you run your body sends more blood to your muscles and your extremities and it takes it away from some of your normal so your digestive system doesn't work as efficiently. So if you take on too many calories, you can end up being sick, which is a bit of a problem. And it's not nice being sick when you're running. I have accidentally so I have to limit the amount but then afterwards like I sort of got this calorie deficit of like a few 1000 calories and I'm like well I could I could eat a bowl of ice cream and still have cash to spare Terry 14:46 as trying to join in here. Roy Barker 14:50 Man I wish I could wish I had that problem of having to try to eat and write that in before we get too far long I was gonna at your do it or isn't there Charity component involved in this as well. Bob 15:03 Yes, there is. So yeah, so this was where the idea really sort of came to life is because he was like, right, it's a great idea. But like, what was the point in doing it? So yeah, I am, I decided to do it for cardiac risk in the young, which are a really good charity here. And they basically they they set up and they do screening and research into undiagnosed heart conditions, okay? Because it can be found in in young people between ages of 14 and 34. And they can have a heart condition that's completely undiagnosed, no symptoms whatsoever, and unfortunately, just suddenly dropped out. It can be really awful there was we've got a competition in in football over here going on with the euros at the moment. And there was a player, I think he's from Denmark. But he about I think it was about 20 minutes into the game just dropped, dropped on the field. And fortunately, he recovered. And they, they got into hospital, and he's fine. But that was a cardiac problem. And it's really strange, because it doesn't really matter how fit people seem to be. It can really affect them. Unfortunately, we lost my my older sister. And she was 16 at the time, but she played hot ball, hot ball hockey, and netball. That's the mix, apparently hot ball. So he actually played netball and hockey to a really high standard, and was always used to run track and things. And they are unfortunately, where she had a heart condition that we didn't know about no symptoms whatsoever. Gosh, Roy Barker 16:42 that's terrible. So do you. Terry 16:43 So do you because of that? Do you get screened annually? How does? Bob 16:50 Yes, so so i i don't get screened annually. So I have I have been screened, and they they believe it's hereditary. And they've looked into cases in my family. And they believe it's only the women that are affected in my family interests. Other I've had a look into that. And and how I know that I don't specifically know, but it's all through the screening that they do. And they work a lot with schools over here. So they'll they'll go into schools, and they'll screen an entire year of school and figure out and they can they can give pacemakers. I know that there was a girl in a school near me. And she was screened. And they found that she had something and they they did an operation she had had a pacemaker button on the heart. And she had to I think she had to keep it for about two years. And then they got removed, and she was absolutely fine. And yeah, Roy Barker 17:47 yeah, and we have seen that here too. You know, athletes football is our, you know, American football, and then you know, some in basketball to that. Yeah, younger kids that are you would think in perfect health, because they're so athletic. And then, you know, it's unfortunate, they have this underlying condition. So, you know, we're definitely, you know, express our sorrow for your family's loss, for sure. But I think it's really great that you're stepping up and doing this. And the reality is just so many people don't know about it. So the awareness is a good component as well. Bob 18:22 Yeah, I think massively it and that's the things but when it's someone that of that age that's so young, it affects so many people around them, because, right, if there's some if it affects someone who's sort of under the age of 18, they've probably got brothers and sisters and effects their family and all their school friends. I know that my sister's friends. for them. It was horrendous, because they had a friend who was there there one day, and then the next school and they're like, hold on. Where's where Sarah, while actually not in school today? Yeah. And yeah, it's horrific. Terry 18:55 And you were How old? were you when you lost your sister? Bob 18:59 I was 11 at the time. Wow. Five years younger than Oh, well, Roy Barker 19:05 we appreciate you sharing that with us. I know. That's a you know, it's very personal. But thanks for thanks for sharing, I think it makes a big difference to, you know, get that message out that it can be devastating. It is devastating to the families that happens to you. But then, like you said, At that age, it affects people around them. And then if they're young, it's like a lifelong thing that they have to deal with. So, Terry 19:30 and the fact that they're so young, you know, you just don't know, at any age, what's going to happen, anything can creep up, but the fact that they're younger, and this happens, you know, doesn't mean it's not gonna Roy Barker 19:43 end their screening. That's the other thing. I don't know how preventable but if people were more aware of it, get the screening probably could avoid. Avoid a lot of the unnecessary deaths as well. Bob 19:55 Yeah, a lot. A lot of it can can be avoided through through things like pacemakers. and things like that. And if they if they do find them earlier, and I don't I don't even think they have to find super early, I think as long as it's found some, that's all they need, and then they can they can actively work against it. Roy Barker 20:15 Well, so let's get back to so you, what made you make this decision to be healthy to be the healthy drummer? I mean, because like we said, it's very contrary, did you just, you know, just I guess, feeling bad, or you just saw the path that you're on, you know, doing eating the fast food on the way home from a bad I have to be going down? Bob 20:40 Yeah, it was, um, it was a case of, so I'm I'm asthmatic. And I've always had like, like, fairly Bad, bad asthma, but it isn't, it's not terrible. I remember doing a couple of gigs where I had to carry the kit in, and sort of like carry half the kit, and then almost be having an asthma attack, taking it in and just being like, this is terrible. But on the scale of things, my asthma is not that you can have way worse asthma. I just remember thinking at this one gig, I think we have to carry it up a flight of stairs to get to the stage. And I carried about two pieces my drum kit up and it wasn't even the heaviest bit. I got to the top. I was sweating. And I was like hearing, like, I couldn't breathe. And I was like, I think this might be a problem. If I want to carry on doing this, and I can't keep up this lifestyle. Right. And so yeah, so the idea was like, right, okay, well, let's, let's start doing a little bit of running. So this was back in early 2018. It must have been awful February, started doing a little bit of running wasn't very good. didn't really enjoy it. But sort of kept going. And then I mentioned to my my girlfriend at the time, I was like, I think I might I might train for a marathon. I think it was just a really off the cuff sort of said it didn't really mean it. Yeah. And I think about 10 minutes later, she went, Oh, there's one in six weeks, I've signed you up. Roy Barker 22:20 Yeah, that's the second time now you've got yourself in trouble you have built in a little better. Bob 22:26 Yeah, I know. I should just keep my mouth shut. So. So I went and did that marathon and hated it. But what what I remember mainly from America is I ran the first 16 miles. And then basically fell off a cliff just felt horrendous walked had my head in the sand, like just did not want to be there at all. And then I got to the end, and then about 200 meters from the end, all the crowds go. And I was like sprinting, I was absolute for like full out as fast as I could run. I don't think I've ever run that fast before in my life. And finish the race and then fell around this again. But but it's saying in me then when I did that was like, hold on, like, an hour ago. I wanted to quit give up and I felt awful. And I thought I couldn't even run 10 seconds ago, I was sprinting full pelt, what, what's going on? And then I sort of realized that actually a lot of mental, right? So it was like, Okay, and then all my training just just sort of went straight off. After that marathon, there was nothing really to look forward to. And it was kind of like right back to back to work. And it started going back the other way again, and I was like, Oh no, this isn't good. I need to sign up for something. And my dad had started doing iron that where I realized sake of I thought we're a bit we're a bit just stupid. We just say we're going to do things and then end up doing them. So because of that, so that year my dad signed up to do an iron man. And he, he just like he just spoke to me one day, I think he spoke to me and my brother and he was like, I've signed this deal and I'm on a really like, Okay. She know what it is? And he was like, yeah, it's like a triathlon, we like, is a really hard track. He was like, yeah, it's fine. We're like dead, you can't even run. And he's like, yeah, we fine. He had when he signed up, he had an issue with his knee where he had injured it, like a couple years before and hadn't been able to run as well. And it was really struggling and but somehow he fixed it gotten through it and he's done like for now. So, so the I because my training was completely in a slump and I was like, right I need something to look forward to. I was like, Okay, well, I am man it is. So I decided to sign up and day one So then in 2019, I did an Iron Man, which is really good. And for 2019, for me, music wise was probably the year that we're it really took off quite quite well. So I was doing a lot more around the UK traveling a lot further. We were sort of breaking into, like north and south of England, which is much more populated areas than Wales. So we're doing a lot better. But then the journeys they're getting up to sort of we're traveling sort of eight hours, to places. Roy Barker 25:33 So let me just say for the record back what you said that there is no easy Iron Man or triathalon. person as you are your red was like that question like, yeah, there is no, there is no Yeah, yeah, this is gonna be an easy one here. Bob 25:51 Yes, yeah. It's a little bit different to the local and stamp London, the leisure centre. It's like 10 laps of the pole and a quick jog around the block. But yeah, yeah. So like, my, my work got massively increased. So I didn't really have much time to train. So I ended up sort of scraping through the Iron Man and completing, I sort of did it but I wasn't very happy with my time because I The training was not not wonderful. So I entered again, for 2020. And that's when I really started with it. And so I sort of, I had a couple of mates at the time. And I was like, right, I know, this makes one's a lot. So he's really good at that, I'm going to start swim with him, and my other mate runs a lot and start running with him. And I really sort of, like changed a lot of my focus to go fully into into the fitness and my, my idea was that if I could do Ironman in under 12 hours, I'd be really happy. So I was had, like, straight into that as much as I could. And then that's when lockdown happened. So that's when this sort of idea of like, right, well, now I've got a big opportunity. Like, at the time, I thought, right, I've got four to six weeks now where I can go mad training. And then but I've done just carried on forever and ever and ever. And and so that second I'm on I still haven't done. I'm Fingers crossed should be doing it this September. But But yeah, but that sort of leads us to where we are now. Because that's when that conversation happened about running with the drum kit. And then it was like, right, well, yeah, let's do that. And I, it all got invented. Because I was I thought it was a great idea. And I sort of looked into it a bit and figured out and thought, yeah, I think I can do this. So I made a video saying that I was going to do it and put it on Facebook. And that was the point where I could not go back because that video got about 5000 views in the day. Everyone I knew. And people had already people were donating money. And I hadn't even set up the donation page. I had people just sending me money. I raised like 200 pounds in like, a day. And I was like, Wait, hold on, I've got to do this. I was like there's no Undo button so that I'm well and truly in. So that it was a scramble to set up like a donation page. And that was it. Once I put that video out, it was like, Okay, I am I am fully committed. And then it was just trying to figure out a date and the idea. At the time, I was like, Okay, well, I definitely need to do it next year. So 2021 because I don't think if it was just running 100 miles, I said just running 100 miles is silly. But if Yeah, if I was only running 100 miles without turning the drum kit, I probably could have done it towards the end of last year. But we've turned the drunk yet. It was like right, no, that's that's probably I probably bitten off more than I can chew here. So I'm gonna make sure that this takes a long time until after dinner. So yeah, the idea was to do it in August this year. And then as things started lining up, we were looking at dates and night, the weekend of the 24th of July. This was like the perfect weekend. Right again, that book in and go for it. And then I had to figure out how to tow the trailer. And I had to get a trailer made and all of that and that was great fun and a bit mad cuz I'm phoning up companies who sell trailers and be like, do you have any that are built for running? Like, Oh, no, no, Roy Barker 29:35 we don't really. It's not really a thing. Okay. Even if you you know, get one like, people run you know, when they have kids and stuff that's smaller. I mean, that's the other challenge is getting something big enough to hold the whole drum kit. Bob 29:53 That was the thing. So that was I got offers from people of saying like, Oh, well I've got like a baby running thing. Um, I was like, Okay. Like, yeah, I was like it by any chance. Did you have triplets? really helpful? Unfortunately, they didn't. So yeah, I can, I can use it. But yeah, that's the problem because the drum kit is annoyingly shaped and really bulky. And even with packing it down to the smallest I can possibly get it, I still have to have it on like a flatbed trailer, which itself is really heavy and cumbersome and annoying. I haven't sworn at it. Roy Barker 30:33 When you brought up a good point, I guess when we first started talking, I was thinking about you know, it's gonna be the challenge is getting up the hill, but I never actually thought about once you start down the hill that, you know, that trailer is gonna want to try to run over you if you don't have a pretty good braking system in place. Bob 30:50 Yeah, the trailer is coming from my head on is Terry 30:55 like a cartoon, you know, just a flat near right out. I mean, I think about Frankie, or one of our dogs dragging us down a hill that we have on the side of the house where we take him outside. And I mean, she does she is strong. And she pulls me down that I can't even oh my gosh, I can't even imagine that part of it. But I you know, I just it that is something that you posted on Facebook and accountability really can be such a factor. Yeah, peer pressure is the worst, isn't it really it is that in the mindset, and then all the support that you have from your, from your community, your friends, your family, all of that is, is awesome. Bob 31:41 Yeah, that's being massive, because alongside everyone watching and donating, I also just got like, hundreds of messages from people being like, Oh, I can help with this. And I can do this. And I'm still getting them today. I got a message like I think yesterday from my mate Connor. And he was like, oh, God didn't want to do anything like filming or anything. Because like, I've got a camera and I can do this. And I'm like, Oh, yeah, those great. People are just so helpful, but it is amazing. Roy Barker 32:06 So what how is the challenge? You know? And I think that's awesome that you put it out there because that's what they always say is, you know, if you have goals in your mind, it's one thing but once you speak them to somebody else that you know you become accountable. But the other part of this is that the difficulty even if you want to do this the difficulty of your situation of being around, you know, the things that aren't as healthy for you to consume. And then I'm sure your bandmates are like, Hey, why don't you come out, you know, come have a drink with us or I don't know what you know, y'all favorite junk food is but over here be like, Hey, we need to go get some nachos and beer after this gig. And, you know, how do you how do you handle that? And how supportive are they of you and your efforts? Not necessarily for the challenge but just for the daily being healthy. Bob 33:00 I actually incredibly supportive because I I think a lot of it actually with the the eating and beer bad because we don't necessarily get the situation that often. Well, we all stay around and have like a beer after a gig. unfortunate because it's so much traveling. It's always like, Oh, I work but I've got a drive. So like and it's like you can't you never really get the situation where you can stay afterwards. But the problem was is mainly just actually myself and overcoming the big shiny by the side of the motorway. right for you are in an order and enough food to feed a family of thought. Roy Barker 33:48 Like a magnet. Especially when and I'm the worst so I can attest to that is driving. I just feel like I always have to have something to eat or drink and it's like hard to go by the drive thru without popping in and getting something so I mean, it's a challenge. Yeah, it's just boring, isn't it? Yeah. So what have you have you done anything to make to help yourself to drive past it without making that exit? Bob 34:16 To try and try take a different route? That's what Yeah, how ice cream machine doesn't work. Yeah, I mean, the one thing that's massively been is that I haven't actually been able to work because of COVID Yeah, so I've I've not been going to the gigs. A lot of my work has been I've been doing much more teaching and things like that, which is from home and over Skype, and things like this. So it's been lots of online so I've actually been making my own food. And when you're training a lot, the the food you eat and how you feel makes a massive difference, because I'm I'm sure you know when you go to McDonald's and you eat loads, and then you get up the next morning. You feel horrendous. Yeah. And but it's even worse when you do that. And then you've got a run 20 miles the next day. Because then you feel like doubly horrendous. So you quite quickly get into the headspace of like, Oh, actually, yeah, I need to sort of do that do this right. And I think I think even even before I said all the fitness stuff, I don't think it was necessarily my bandmates, or a bad influence. I think, especially the way we do things where we're not so much the rock and roll lifestyle musicians, we're very much that sort of quiet, go in and get the job done. Might have a Yeah, have a chat with people and then come home and sit with it, sit on your feet up and get get as early night as you can. So I haven't really had massive bad influences, which is quite good, other than my own sort of bad influence of just genuinely not being able to beat my cravings. Terry 36:05 I think we all think about, you know, in the 60s and 70s, well, 60s 70s 80s, you know, just our music, our music, the rock and roll and all you know, we just think of that lifestyle, they're all they're all out there drinking out all hours, I have all these dates, dates, you know, all that stuff. So it's, it's, it's very refreshing to see that Roy Barker 36:29 I could think of this group that I was listening to a song interviewers listened to one with the group. And they were kind of like, you know, it's kind of like their, their nine to five, just in a different time slot. But they were like, you know, they became big in popularity, and they were opening for some other bigger groups, and the other groups were like, Hey, come on, we're gonna go, you know, party and do this or like, and, you know, it's time for us to go home. And so they were that way as well. They just like, you know, we never really got into the life, we just, you know, we did our GIG and then we went home. And yeah, that everybody else. Bob 37:03 I think some of it comes with, it depends how big the band gets. If you if you get a lot of money. And you're doing really well out of it, I think, yeah, there's it that lends itself to it as well. But sometimes it's like, like I've especially early on, I think that's probably where it's at. Because, early on, I was doing gigs where I would barely make any money by just doing lots and lots and lots of them. So you're sort of thinking you go like, Oh, yeah, well, I could have like a couple of beers afterwards with some of the crowd. But certainly, if you spend 20 pound on on beer afterwards, and then you take in your fuel, and then you eat and big McDonald's, suddenly, you spent your entire paycheck. Can you laugh? I don't have any money. I think yeah, I think I think when I first started, I probably felt like the first like two months, I was like, terrible, had no money. And then I was like, Oh, I can't get this gig because I can't put any fuel in my car. I should sort this out. Terry 37:59 You learned quick. I mean, it takes some people a lifetime to figure that out. Bob 38:04 Yeah, and, and also, just where I live sort of lends itself because I play it when I'm playing card, if I've got one band where three of the members live in Cardiff. So they they can like walk to the gig. So it typically takes them like 10 minutes to get there. So they they can have a drink of things and walk home. And it's really easy for them and a lot of their friends around there. Whereas for me, it's always that situation of like, right to if we finish up, sort of like 11 o'clock. We've then got 45 minutes to pack down and get out. We have a 15 minute chat, say goodbye. And then I get home and then I've got to drive. I still got two hour drive. So I don't get home till two in the morning still. So then if I stay around for drinks and food then it's like suddenly like I'm getting hungry. like four in the morning. Yeah. And yeah, so and especially if it's on a Sunday I want to I want to get get back to work to watch football. Roy Barker 38:56 Yeah. So already on the on the actual running part. Have you just done all of this on your own? Or have you been working with the trainer to kind of help get you up to you know, even prior to the to the trailer pool thing? Bob 39:12 were you working with somebody. So before the tradable i the only thing I was working with as I was working with a swimming coach because for me swimming is one of my strong suits. I swung from very early on from I think probably about age six, I think I started swimming and always quite enjoyed it. So I was working with a swimming coach quite a lot. But as far as running and cycling goes not not really a lot of there's a really good community down here because so I live in Pembrokeshire and as a political attendee here, and that is where one of the Ironmen takes place. So there is an Ironman in Tennessee, which is about 30 minutes from me. So there's a massive community of triathletes down here. So a lot of it is we all just sort of like keep night by In each of these training plans and talk to each other, so mainly everything I've learned is through that. And then for the run all of my training I've done myself and I have a good friend who's a physio. And I pretty much text him every other day like this hurts. Why should I do? He'll text me back and you'd be like, it's fine. It's meant to hurt. Just go Terry 40:26 read some dirt and Roy Barker 40:29 everything I was noticing. Looks like you have a 40 Niners hat and jacket though. Are you big American football fan? Bob 40:35 Yeah, I'm a huge Forty Niners fan. And so when they do like the international games over here, I've got a season ticket. I'm sorry. I've seen many teams over here. And I watch every game live. Absolutely love it. Very good. Good. Roy Barker 40:51 Well, we would be remiss if we didn't ask you a couple questions about who your favorite some of your favorite drummers are. Bob 40:59 Yeah, of course. Yeah. So old all time favorite drummers Jeff Porcaro from so so because he's, he's insane. And he's played on so much stuff from like, like Steely Dan stuff. And yeah, he's he's based. Big fan of Tom from news. So he's a news from from Devon, which is not too far from here. And it's like, well, actually, as, as the crow flies, it's really close. It's like 4050 miles, but just over the water. So they're there by their massive modern UK band that are really good. And then I play in a tribute band for those. So I've had to really commit a lot of time to learning all of his parts and playing very accurately, so I have a massive appreciation for him. Yeah, he's amazing. And then I've got narrow people down, that's really hard. Yeah, there's a drummer called Danny Carey from the band tool. And they're just like, all over the place, really complex rhythms and things like that. They do horrible odd times images and stuff. And it's very complex. And, and redneck and a lot of it's like, it's the way the scrub music is. It's like spiraling, which is really, really, really weird. But it's this very sort of like, psychedelic. And the I love that sort of stuff. Roy Barker 42:25 Yeah, remember when the guess when the multitrack or eight tracks or whatever came out? That's when everybody would be like, you know, all the sound in one speaker and then it would move and then if they were really good, they could just make it swirl around the whole car like that? Bob 42:40 Yeah, yeah, they did nice. Like the the Queen thing on Bohemian Rhapsody where they found the vocal. Right, and then it's the middle. Yeah. Roy Barker 42:48 Well, Bob, we appreciate you taking time out of your day to talk with us. It's an awesome story, I think it's a great cause that you're working toward, and we need to follow up. So we're going to get you on our calendar, we'll give you a day or two to you know, probably rest up from that, but maybe a little longer, maybe, and maybe an August weekend, they get you back on and you can give us a report of how it went. And of course, I'm sure that they're going to be video ographers they're taking the pictures and video. So please send us all that stuff. So we can not only post it, but you know, we really want to keep up with you and see how this goes. Yes, well, very, that's amazing. Thank you very much a bird Terry 43:28 like oh my gosh, sending positive vibes to you will live vicariously through you. Roy Barker 43:35 So what is a tool or a habit, something that you do every day, that really adds a lot of value to your life. Bob 43:44 Or that is that is very good one I think from for me, it's it's probably sort of taking the taking time to do something, but I I really enjoy. So often this is usually very much around music. So for me, it's not just it's not just drums because I play a bit of guitar and piano. So every day I try to sort of dedicate a little bit of time, just even if it's like 10 minutes to just go and like write this, this, I'm just going to focus on this and just really enjoy it and not worry about anything else. And it's sort of just I guess it's kind of a bit of a meditation thing. But I find a lot, it helps with things like procrastination, because I find a lot of time when you're doing something like hard work or something. And you're just thinking like, oh my, I could be doing this other thing. And I want to be doing that. If just early on in the day early in the morning, before you go off to work, you just do something that you really enjoy. You sort of just get out of yourself a little bit so that you can go right out. I've done some I've really enjoyed today and now I'm going to go focus. Cool. Roy Barker 44:50 Yeah, that's good advice. Yeah, we need to get out and and do that we need to sometimes we forget to stop and you know, have some enjoyment out of our day. So let's go Awesome. God, I just got to thinking we just our concerts just got opened back up here this year and we our first one that's coming to town that we're gonna see is a Clapton is coming. So we're excited about that. Oh, cool. Oh, when when's that? Terry 45:17 It's September, mid September, and I've got a really good LA to Bob 45:23 be really good. venue. Oh, that'd be cool. I was meant to see Joe Bonamassa recently. But I got cancelled unfortunate, I'm really hoping it's going to be put back on set. Terry 45:36 I know, I'm so ready to do it just be in a live music format. I just do. Roy Barker 45:44 And that's why you were you know, that's another reason that we were so interested in talking to you because music is a big part of both of our lives. And, you know, since I'm, you know, right up until the pandemic, you know, we probably went to, you know, concert every month or so, maybe not, you know, a lot of buyers are the old guys that you know, they Terry 46:02 Al Green Yeah, the temptations, Roy Barker 46:05 you know, we're trying to trying to see them before they all pass away. boys got the attributes that Terry 46:15 we even had tickets to the Rolling Stones, and I've never seen them before. They were supposed to come a year ago, and maybe they still haven't announced anything unless you know something. Some inside scoop. We don't but Bob 46:28 no, no, by no. Unfortunately, just being British doesn't mean you get out of shame. It would be such a great privilege if it was Roy Barker 46:40 the other one that one of our last ones we went to were the I don't know if you've heard of the Stone Temple Pilots, Eric. Oh, yeah. Eric Kretz. Yep. Amazing drummer. If you haven't ever checked him out, check him out really good. Bob 46:53 Yeah, well, yeah, I know a little bit of their stuff, but not not in depth. But yeah, I've Roy Barker 46:57 heard some good stuff. All right. Well, we could talk music for the next couple hours, but we don't let you go. Thank you. Were so gracious for the time you've given us and like I said, really keep up. We want to. We want to see how even if you want to send us some training stuff as you're working through the week, some pictures of the trailer, and just anything you want to send us. And we'll be sure to get it out there for Yeah, brilliant. Well, thank you very much. Hey, you bet. All right, that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty. I'm your host Roy. Terry 47:27 I'm Terry Bob. Thank you so much Roy Barker 47:29 of course you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms. iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, if we're not on one that you listened to reach out we'd be glad to get it added. You can also find us on all the major social media platforms typically, probably Instagram is where we hang out a little bit more. A video of this interview will go up when the episode goes live. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. 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Body Image Can Be Deceptive, Thin Doesn't Always Equate To Being Healthy With Sandy Rodriquez In today's society, we equate thin with healthy and overweight with unhealthy. There is so much more to really knowing who is healthy, but social media and other advertisers continue to propagate this lie. We shouldn't allow other people to define our health and our happiness. Let your doctor determine your health and you your happiness. About Sandy Bilingual communications expert Sandy Rodriguez writes on topics ranging from finance to entertainment for different media outlets in both the U.S. and Mexico. She is the author of a book titled Choose to Prevail, which inspired an upcoming video interview series. Sandy is a former editorial coordinator for Mexican newspaper Reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America, and has translated tens of books from English to Spanish for major publishing houses. These include medical, self-help, and business books, novels, and titles focused on spirituality or personal growth by popular authors such as Louise Hay, Nick Vujicic, and Neale Donald Walsch. Multifaceted Sandy, who once took part in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists at Seoul National University in South Korea, currently lives in Los Angeles, where she works as a certified court interpreter. She is a fitness enthusiast, burgeoning artist, and amateur winemaker. Choose to Prevail Book (@choosetoprevail) • Instagram photos and videos www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Body Image Can Be Deceptive, Thin Doesn't Always Equate To Being Healthy with Sandy Rodriquez Sat, 6/26 11:21AM • 54:00 SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, eat, feel, book, healthy, sandy, weight, shape, person, life, exercise, body, mentioning, day, thinking, age, overweight, gym, friends, point SPEAKERS Terry, Sandy, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 Hello, and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. I'm your host, Roy. Terry 00:03 I'm Terry. Roy Barker 00:11 So we are a podcast that we are chronicling our journey through health. that encompasses a lot of things. It's our diet not being on a diet, but it's our diet of what we consume, as well as exercise mindset. Trying to center ourself and meditation, all of this combined really helps to make us a better us we think. And so we're working really hard to make some changes to try to get on a better plane. A lot of times we Chronicle you know what's going on in our life this week. And we also have professionals and guests that are experts in different areas that come on to try to help us with this and be a good reference and resource for you and today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce Sandy. Terry 00:57 Sandy Rodriguez is a bilingual communications expert writing on topics ranging from finance to entertainment for different media outlets in both the US and Mexico. She is the author of a book titled choose to prevail, which inspired an upcoming videos interview series, which I just finished, by the way. And Sandy is a former editorial coordinator for the Mexican newspaper reforma, one of the most influential publications in Latin America and has translated 10s of books from English to Spanish for major publishing houses. multifaceted Sandy who wants to put in a prestigious fellowship program for international journalists, Sol Yun National University in South Korea currently lives in LA where she works as a certified court interpreter. She's a fitness enthusiast, burgeoning artists and amateur winemakers. Sandy, welcome to the show. Sandy 01:55 Thank you so much for having me over tyrian. Enjoy, it's wonderful to be here with you as much like yourself, I'm very interested in staying healthy and making positive health changes in my life at Roy Barker 02:07 all times. Yeah, and it's funny, because once we started down this road, I think, you know, at the beginning, we were focused on what we ate and exercise and but I think as we've gone through this journey, it's like, we've kind of shifted the mindset because you just really have to get your mind right, in order to make changes, sustainable changes, you know, we can change for a day or two or for a meal or two, but trying to make bigger, sustainable changes that will last the rest of your life. It's difficult, very difficult. And I'm not just going to tell you I've I've had to Terry has been reporting as she's reading your book, for the last couple days, she's like, Oh, my gosh, you should hear this easier what Sandy had to say in that book. So I haven't had a chance to look at it. But Terry said that it's awesome. So thank you for sharing that with us. Sandy 02:59 Thank you so much for I am very happy that the charity has been liking the book. One of the things that I mentioned in the book, and I think might be interesting to your audience, is that we really cannot let our body image or our own body love be defined by other people. If anything, here's the thing, I've noticed that body shapes come into vogue, and they fall out of fashion much like clothing does. So know what your body type, what's your bone structure, what your overall complexion is, like, sooner or later, it will come into fashion. I for example, struggled a lot when I was a little girl and even a teenager because my body type was not popular at the time. I'm a person with a trim upper body, a small waist and curvy or lower body. And that was not popular at all. However, it's very funny to me that now that is the body type that a lot of people are striving for. So I guess it's just a matter of weeding it out. I think it's something that's that's actually pretty funny. I even read that Benjamin Franklin's body tight was popular during his lifespan. Who would have thought so it's really a matter of just waiting it out. Terry 04:22 Right? Yeah. And I can totally relate because, you know, parish parish shape. I have always been pear shaped. Is that what you? Is that what you considered yourself as well? I think so. I believe so. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I mean, forever. And now holy cow and people are getting implants and you know all of that. I don't I don't understand. Sandy 04:47 Let me tell you as an author, I know and an acquaintance of mine. She is a bodybuilder and over the last couple of years, she's made a small fortune by art. training people to specifically grow their glutes. Now, to me that's like, seriously, I mean, I spent all my childhood and my early teen years trying to do the exact opposite. I clearly remember reading in a women's magazine when I was, I don't know, maybe 12, that you should sit on a hardened wooden floor, you know, with your legs crossed and rock side to side for an hour or two a day while watching TV. And that should have flattened you're behind. And that was what people were striving for. Now. Crazy, right? So you never know what's going to be popular. And I was made to feel like I was fat back in the day because of having that body type. Looking back at pictures, and just remembering what I was eating, and my actual body weight. Of course, I was not fat, I was certainly not overweight, by any, you know, by any doctor's charge or anything of the sort. But my peers and even adults made me feel fat. Because of that I even remember a couple of incidents where my friends moms would actually, you know, give me a little talking to and say, No, no, no, you need to cut back on calories. Because when you grow up, you don't want to, to look fat in an attractive and that was quite damaging, personally, what kind of an adult approaches a young child to give their two cents about the child's appearance. And secondly, now looking back, I was never overweight, it was just a body type that people didn't, let's say, understand or appreciate back in the day. Roy Barker 06:40 It's harder for women I know, you know, to ignore the great advice people give you but also to, you know, to be that body conscious. But you know, as long as you're healthy, you got good blood pressure, your sugars are good, you know, whatever the other markers that your physician says, you know, we should be okay with that. And, you know, we just, again, it's hard. It's hard for anybody, but you know, we just have to stay in our own lane, run our own race and say, Look, I am what I am. And what is it the old saying that the people, people that people that care don't mind, and people that mind, don't care, something like that. I don't remember how that goes. But basically, it's, you know, the people that are closest to us are going to understand, and they're not going to be rude. But the people that are rude, you know, we just have to nevermind them. And the other thing, it's kind of timely, that there was an old, it was a meme that was going around not long ago, of a pattern. And this was probably in the late 50s, early 60s. But the pattern for sewing was actually called chubby girl patterns. And you know, in this day and time, I just had to step back for a minute and say, Oh, my gosh, can you imagine that somebody was actually advertising their product as chubby girl products. Sandy 08:01 Very funny. It's really interesting. Right now, body positivity, at least, let's say publicly, it's a it's a big deal. A lot of companies are choosing to feature, you know, models that are a little bit on the chubbier side. But here's the thing, I do feel that there's a bit of a downside to that, in that I feel that a lot of companies, it's almost like they're just paying lip service to what is trendy right now that which is a pipe positivity movement. But I do feel that it doesn't really serve people well to actually believe that the world will treat you exactly the same if you're, if you're clearly out of shape, because that's not the case. And it would be very disappointing to be tremendously out of shape and go out into the world and go to beaches and Golden's to social situations and go into dating, and go into job interviews and just assume that yes, the world is very positive now, and I will be getting these fabulous reactions. My weight is a non issue. That's not really the case. And I know that to be a fact, because I'm, well, I mean, it's not only something that I can see for myself, but I experienced it up to a certain degree. I've always been a person that has been very much weight conscious and finger conscious and I've even fallen into near anorexia at certain times in my life. But when I was pregnant, I decided to just set all of those concerns aside and just eat help healthfully. But to be honest, I went a little bit overboard. I didn't really eat healthfully, I went above and beyond. I mean, certainly I ate for two but not for two normal people, but for two people with a sweet tooth and with a penchant for grilled cheese sandwiches. So in reality I did put on a lot of weight. I would say that up My my little boy was born, I still had a lot left to ship. And I knew that it was going to be something temporary, because I'm a person that knows how to, you know, lose weight when it's needed. So I knew it was a temporary thing. But I would say that over the course of maybe a year, I was really very much overweight. And in fact, you can well pregnant, because I put on so much weight, I did not look like this beautiful, lovable, pregnant woman that everybody wants to hug and help out. In fact, I would say that I looked more like an overweight lady. And the reactions I got from people, let me tell you, they were not at all body positive at all. So it was a bit of a social experiment, and that I actually got to feel and experience what life might be like if that were your permanent situation. Let me tell you, there is no real body positivity going on, as far as I can tell. So I mean, it's all well and good that companies want to, you know, open their, their brands to to more consumers and maybe offer different sizes. But it's really, I think, a little bit of wishful thinking to actually believe that you can go into the world and experience life in exactly the same way and with exactly the same opportunities at any size. Yeah, that's what I feel. Terry 11:24 Yeah. And I mean, it'd be great. It'd be a perfect world, if we could go and just be fake. People could see us from the inside out. That would just solve everything right there. Roy Barker 11:39 Yeah. And I think the other part of that is that, I don't know why, but it's gotten worse over the last few years. But people feel the need to comment or to be mean, Terry 11:49 they're trying to be helpful, but they're really not right. Roy Barker 11:52 And some people are just not, I mean, just nasty anyway, but then, you know, we also I think we suffer from the silent prejudice, that even if somebody doesn't voice that, it's always, you know, it's in their head, or, you know, they think that they think, oh, that, you know, I don't want to hire that person, because they're overweight, or the body image, you know, whatever it may be, that's not what I want. Terry 12:19 And the same route, you know, for the reverse, even for thin people, you know, you can't automatically assume that often, then and fit looking people are actually that they may, you know, just have a great metabolism, they may, you know, they've got their, oh, it's, it's somewhere in between there would be nice. Absolutely. In fact, Sandy 12:40 I have something to mention about that, I get the feeling that health and appearance are really unrelated. There really is very little overlap, for example, as I was mentioning, at a certain point in time, and I do think that it was caused, mostly by comments on me being overweight, which I actually was not, when I was younger, I have fallen into very restrictive eating patterns, at certain points in my life, I would say near Emirates, I mean, it's not ever a tip, because I know what that is. And I would certainly not want to claim that I have been in a situation is dire as people that have undergone that. But I have been in situations where let's say over a period of a couple of years, I have had nothing but let's say let's say back in the early 90s, maybe only three slimfast shakes throughout the day. And that was the extent of my eating. So when I've done that, and when I've done that, I've coupled it with very, very extreme exercise routines. So that can be healthy. I mean, nobody would assume that that's healthy. But when I do that, I'm normally at my lowest weight. And normally when I'm at my lowest weight people come out of the woodwork, doctors, personal trainers, and everybody says, Oh, you look fantastic. You are the picture of health. Now I know I'm not the picture of how can I be the picture of though if I'm practically starving myself maybe even treating myself to what a diet coke now and then I mean, there's no way that that So, but I look quote unquote, very healthy. Now whenever I say okay, that's I mean enough with that let's let's try to actually get a little bit healthier. And I start you know, building in adding some more vegetables and fruits into the mix, which is normally something that many personal trainers suggest passing upon. Whenever I start adding, you know, more healthful foods, healthy proteins, healthy fats. Normally I'm kind of like at the weight that I am at now, which is a normal weight. However, when I'm at this weight, people normally say oh, you really let yourself go. So I mean, it's quite bizarre and people say oh, no, no, you need to take care of your health. I remember back when you look super healthy and I think Okay, that makes zero sense. So when I actually am healthy, people are saying that I look healthy. And then it's the other way around. That really makes no sense. And I think that's in line with what we see on social media and often in fitness magazines, all these Instagram influencers that are, you know, hashtag health and hashtag healthy life and hashtag in principle, and fitful and all of that, normally, what they're doing is they're only having diuretics for several days prior to their photo shoots. So obviously, their muscles look, very cut, they look very rich, they look fantastic, but there's just no way that they're healthy. And normally, they're posing with a smoothie, or they're posing with an apple. But those are not the things that they actually consume. Of course, that's not to say that that's the case with every single Instagram influencers, certainly, some people are naturally healthy, and they look healthy, or some people are naturally thin, or some people are naturally muscular. But that's not really the case. And I'm going to tell you something that you won't believe it'll blow your mind. Okay, you know how sometimes you see fitness magazines, and you see these people that you can tell that it's actually the same person, it's surely not very photoshopped, if at all. But you see how they go from, you know, flabby to Super fit. Okay, let me tell you, there's a technique that some companies used to get these impressive pictures, which is this, they go to a gym, and they find one of the fittest people, and they offer that person money to gain weight. So for right now, they keep up before picture, then they have that person gain weight, and then they snap a second picture, and then they just use them in the opposite way. So they use the one taken in the future as the before, and the one taken out as the after. So it's not really that somebody that was flabby got all ripped, somebody that got ripped, gained a little weight. Terry 17:08 never would have thought of that mother Sandy 17:11 raised me. Yeah, I know. It's very crafty, because we'll see, but pictures and they think, oh, it really is the same person, oh, this product must be like fantastic. And it's really not. Roy Barker 17:22 So it's interesting. And we and then I think it's a good time to point out that, you know, when you go out into the world to hire trainers, die nutrition counselors need to make sure of their credentials, number one, but number two, if they tell you they've got a plan that they've helped 25 people with, you need to be thinking that, you know, everybody is not the same. And so really what you want is somebody to sit down with you and say, number one, what is your health you because you need to know, you know, the blood? The things I key on blood pressure, sugar, the glucose, you know, and I'm sure there's other things that a physician could point you into, but it's like, there are these markers in your life, what are those? And what do we need to do to make that healthier? Because you know, as you've said, you can, you can work on the body and you can make your body look one way, but that doesn't always translate into being healthy. And again, I think, you know, you pointed this out is that we tend to eat, equate those that Oh, that the thinner person, they must be healthy. And that is just certainly not the case. But just take care when we hire people to make sure that they have our best interest in mind, and that they take us as individuals to try to help us, number one, do what we want. But number two, look at our situation, where we are today for what it is. Sandy 18:52 Definitely and also understand that a lot of claims made by personal trainers might not I mean, they do have an okay, here's the thing, exercise does not have necessarily a huge impact on body shape or type. It can certainly tone it can certainly tighten Titan, but it's not really linked to weight loss. That's like a separate thing. And many things that can be promised to you such as spot reducing, or dramatically changing your body type might not even be feasible for a number of reasons. For example, let's say that you have naturally very broad shoulders or very thick animals and those are your bugs. What can you do, there's nothing you can do, it's a bone, I mean, there's no reducing the size or the width or the length of a bone. So it's there are things that cannot really, really be changed. And that's okay. Exercise is still very important overall for a number of reasons health as you were mentioning, and even the social aspect I thought it was very interesting what you were mentioning toward the beginning of our conversation about mindset. And it's really very true. I have been working out for many years now. But I normally like to do that on my own, either at home or in a gym. But normally, on my own this to me exercise. Well, my favorite type of exercise is resistance, weight training. And I think that's very private, I think it's a very private thing. And it can also be a very intellectual exercise, in that you're trying to achieve a muscle mind connection in which you're focusing on what you're doing, you might even actually be taking notes as to this week, I was able to lift this amount. So it's something to me, that's a little bit personal. But in more recent years, especially after moving here to California, I did want to get involved in the more social aspects of working out. And for example, I saw that a lot of my friends were into running or jogging, or doing some kind of group fitness activity. And I wanted to join in what I felt like, how can I How can I do that? Well, I thought it was really, you know, it came down to mindset. I just signed up for different things I snapped started signing up for five keys for 10 case for stair climb challenge. And let me tell you, the reality is that I have never trained specifically for any of these events. But I just decided to talk to myself in a very positive way. Like, I'm sure I can do it. I've been working out even if it's not that specific type of exercise, but I've been working out for for many years, and I'm sure I'll do fine. And I actually did to find sometimes I think that we hesitate to join in fitness activities, because we think we won't be able to complete them or that they sound tremendously grueling. I mean, obviously, if you have any health concerns, you should check with a doctor. But if that's not really a concern, it's more a matter of, I really won't be able to do it, that's something you should just set aside. I do think that the way we speak to ourselves and to others has a lot of impact on our fitness and our health and even our weight. And I'm not even talking about this in a mystical way or in any kind of mystical shape or form. But for example, if I tell you, Roy and Terry, oh, you know, I'm a couch potato, I like hanging out at home snacking on potato chips. Whenever you go on a whitewater rafting trip, you won't invite me because you'll figure Oh, she won't enjoy it. Whenever you go on a hike or you go on a walk, you'll certainly not tell me to join it. If you come across information about a marathon or something, you won't send it over to me saying hey, you might want to join this because you wouldn't figure that I would be interested. However, even if I'm kind of lying at first, and I say, you know Roy, and Terry, I am so into fitness. I just love working out. I'm very outdoorsy. I just love that kind of thing. Whenever you come across information that you think I might like, you'll just send it over. And that will happen with my whole network of friends and acquaintances. And all of a sudden, just by virtue of saying, Oh, I'm very athletic. I just love this. I'm very interested in keeping in shape. I just love being healthy. I will be receiving information and invitations that will be actually helpful in leading me toward my goal. Terry 23:42 Yeah, that's, I am one of those who I do not speak. I'm not very kind to myself. I mean, I just am not. And when I was reading about that in your book, that really, I went whitewater rafting about 1517 years ago. Never I'm not a fitness buff. I don't I think it's grew. You know, I just say that to myself. I think it's but I feel great. After I do it. It's just getting there. Yeah, that trip was awesome. I and I didn't get pitched out of the raft either. And that was my goal. But it was awesome. I never, I couldn't even imagine doing a 5k or a 10k. But after reading your book, I think I might be able to modify. Absolutely. In fact, Sandy 24:33 you can walk it you can jog, if you can just complete it any way you like, and nobody's going to be upset about that. And it's very fun. You make friends. Super fun. Yeah, Roy Barker 24:44 I think that's the important part is, you know, first off what you said is we need to give people the information and let them make the decision because, you know, basically if I say Oh, Sandy's a couch potato, she's over eating chips. She wouldn't want to go I'm making a decision for you. Instead of letting You make that decision. But then also the it's hard. But we have to get over that, that people that other people really even care what we're doing. I mean, I, when I think if you go, if you were able, if you just signed up for any kind of a run, that's a start, and I'm you know, I'm impressed number one. But if Who cares if you run halfway and walk halfway, you're still out there making progress. And you may not run the whole one the first time. But if you do 345, you may get where you run it all. And and then you know, we can talk about that too at the gym. People don't want to go to the gym, they don't want to go to group exercise, because they're overweight and all of this, but you know, what? People usually that are working out, they understand that maybe that's your starting point. And I think, I think they would be a lot kinder to you most of the time, you know, like the gym I go to, I'm overweight, but I never get looks or flak or anything, but I don't worry about it. I'm there for me, I try to stay in my lane and not worry. Well, number one, I guess I don't think anybody else even is going to give me the time of day. It's like they got their own stuff going on. So they're not worried about you know me. But anyway, just you just have to get out there. And another great example of that, I think, is yoga. And this is what I like about yoga is, well, the lady, I've got a DVD, she always says, Look, if you can't do this, here's a modification. And she always gives you something just to keep you moving. Sandy 26:38 That's fantastic. And you're absolutely right, that most people are not paying that much attention to us. Absolutely. And certainly, I mean, there are Jensen, there are gyms, obviously you need to shop around and find one where you're where you're comfortable. And even. Here's the thing, a lot of people feel very self conscious while at the gym, because they feel like they look terrible. But that's partly because they are, you know, in very unflattering clothing. But I mean, these days, there are a lot of very flattering, very attractive workout clothes, in fact that leisure is big business, in the fashion industry. And I think if you feel that you look fine. I mean, regardless of body weight, body type, just knowing you look fine. Maybe in the case of women, maybe you can add a little mascara, little lip gloss, maybe a little self tan or something to make you feel more comfortable, as a guy, maybe a nice looking tailor t shirt, something that makes you feel more confident. That goes a long way. I think the reason we don't feel comfortable is because we feel we're not at our best. And that's always a little bit difficult. Terry 27:45 I just want to cover I mean, you just want to cover it up. I I'm one of those who I used to wear big baggy shirts and sweats and you just cover everything up because I wasn't where I wanted to be. But I don't think I've ever been where I wanted to be. But you know, a few years ago, I shed some weight. And so I started wearing clothing that fit. You know, I forgot what that felt like, because I've just been trying to cover it up. Sandy 28:11 Exactly. And wearing baggy clothes tends to be so counterproductive. Because it doesn't hide anything. It just makes you look all the more bulky. So it's really not a flattering look on on anyone really. But I do think that the fact that you decided to move away from that is an excellent sign. Because to me, it seems that it it just shows that you had a lot more confidence. And surely you discovered that that was far more flattering. Not only because it actually and objectively is more flattering, because it's just less, it adds less volume to your to your body. But also because it's a sign of feeling confident and a lot of the way people perceive you. And the way that you actually look on a physical level has to do with your confidence level. And if you were feeling more confident, it's very clear to me that you surely look far more attractive. on a physical level. It's Terry 29:06 very interesting. Yeah, and I just got rid, I mean, I just stopped thinking about all the noise, the outside noise, you know, and not about my ego just it is what it is. And if you don't like it go, you know, here I am. Whatever you think is not my business who say that a lot? Roy Barker 29:25 Well, it's a you know, it translates the mindset, and we talk about this in business, as well as our personal life is that a lot of times we tend to be so hard on ourselves that we need to give ourselves a break and say look, you know, basically like you said, it is what it is. I can't change this. In the next 10 minutes. Usually, it's going to take time, but if I take those baby steps, you know they all add up is kind of like walking during the day, you know, it'd be it's, sometimes I can't go out and do 5000 steps all at one time. But if I do, like this watch, it makes me do 250. It makes me do 250 every hour. So if I stick with that, at the end of the day, you know, before I go walk, and I'm starting out with 20 503,000 steps, so we have to be moving in that right direction. And there's never a better time to start than today. Sandy 30:23 Absolutely, no, absolutely, that's the whole thing, once you get started, that's the way that's the way it goes. There's a saying in Spanish that my grandma used to say, which would loosely translate to, when it comes to eating or scratching a niche, the first thing to do is just start. And the same would apply to fitness, whenever you want to get fit, the first thing to do is just start and you'll find that, that you will keep on going in that direction. And I think that's also very important these days for men. Because I feel that in recent years, let's say standards of perfection holding forth have been a little bit more relaxed for women, at least to a certain point. And well, I mean, sometimes you see, magazine covers these days, when you have female celebrities or female models in there, let's say average person, wait, even Victoria's Secret has decided to do away with their Victoria's Secret angels campaign, there's no longer point to be any Victoria's Secret show, we've come to know it. However, when it comes to men, I think that Well, I mean, standards have been raised dramatically, I've seen that a lot of male actors these days, they are tremendously ripped, and they're expected to be either shirtless or full on naked in their movies. And it's just crazy. A lot of male actors have actually, you know, made a career out of that type of thing. And some have, let's say, maybe strengthened or, you know, like really solidified their career upon becoming very, very, very athletic looking. And even on a more, let's say, on a level that's outside of Bollywood, for example, a lot of male CEOs, instead of having their friends join them for drinks, they have their friends join them for rock climbing, or that kind of an activity. So I feel like it's, it's this very alpha male thing these days. And I think that's also something that, I mean, I'm glad that that standards are being a little bit more relaxed for females, but I'm a little concerned that guys might experience what women used to experience these days. And it's also important for teenage boys, you go on to teenage boys Instagrams these days, and it's a bunch of shirtless kids, you know, showing off their abs and their pecs and visma I think that's not super healthy. It can't be it's, it's something that really does a number on people's mindset when you cannot live up to that expectation. Roy Barker 33:05 Yeah. Speaking of that, I'm not gonna mention his name. But there was a singer that's pretty popular now, that was doing an interview with one of the major networks, and it was a tape so they, you know, they had they showed the clip, and it went away. And so the, the interviewer just made the comment, like, I've known this guy for years and said, I haven't seen him with a shirt on in the last six years. So yeah, there's a lot to be said for, you know, I mean, it's just not me, even if I was at my, my optimal weight and body shape and all of that I probably wouldn't do an interview on a national network shirtless. So, you know, I always feel like that there's more to that most people show up no matter. You know, some of the bigger way calm action movie stars that are ripped and buffed, they usually show up with a shirt on. So there's a little bit to kind of what you're saying there. They you know, they've got this image and I feel like it's an extra draw. Terry 34:05 Yeah, it's very strange that they it's totally turned the tide. Now they're all eye candy. You know, that's why. Sandy 34:14 But there's another trend that I I can see that it could be, let's say unhealthy in a certain way. But I also kind of like it for another reason. This other trend that I'm mentioning is the fact that people okay, when I was a little girl, people that reached 30 were thought to be over the hill. Oh, they were middle aged. Oh, they were so old. In this day and age, you can be 6070, late 70s 80. And you're supposed and expected to look super hot, whether you're a man or a woman. Now, again, that's I kind of don't like it because it might be unrealistic for some, but I also kind of do like it because it's just, it's Just fantastic to not limit ourselves, I wouldn't want to say, well as the years Come, I'll have no choice but to just let myself go. And I'll just be this flabby old lady in a rocking chair. No, I don't think that that would be either necessary or expected or desired. And I see now that there are plenty of role models that show that you can look extraordinarily good. No matter what your age, like, for example, going to male option stars, you have like a Robert Downey Jr. Or even a Brad Pitt. They're in their late 60s now, or people like Jay low, mid 50s. I mean, they look great. And they will continue to look great. 10 years from now, 20 years from now. And that's something that again, yes, I mean, you cannot hold yourself up to Hollywood standards. But it's good that we do see role models, so that we don't automatically assume Okay, let's think of a seven year old, okay, I'm thinking of somebody in a rocking chair, you know, like all dried up or, you know, terrible. No, when you think somebody like 6065 70, now, it can be somebody very sexy, very physically appealing from a conventional point of view, it can be somebody very vibrant, somebody's very active. And, you know, that's something that I've liked about joining in races and these kinds of challenges, that you see people that are clearly, I don't know, not teenagers anymore, or definitely not in their 20s or 30s. And they look amazing, and more importantly, their athletic performance is excellent. So that's also very interesting to watch. Yeah, Terry 36:40 I was gonna say Helen Mirren, we can't say talk about this without mentioning her because he, oh my gosh, her in the bikini of how many, like four years ago? Oh, how old she is. She's 70. Some, maybe early 70s. I don't even know. But she looks great. He says Roy Barker 36:59 it's a it's a good observation. Because like you when I was growing up, and you know, if you think about the age, like 6065, people were, they were they were, they were inactive in the rocking chair, you know, sitting in front of the TV and not really taking part. I think that's a, I think that's been a good part of our evolution is that we don't, we don't put those age boundaries on us anymore. We're like, um, you know, I'm of this age, I can do whatever, I may not be as fast as the next guy. But who cares, I'm out there doing my thing. And then the more people we get to join in of those ages, then the better it is, it's like, then everybody feels welcoming to do it. And because it's, that's another part of this, that I don't think we talk about enough. But it's that, you know, decisions that we make, as a younger person, lead into how we age. And that's one thing that, you know, I've kind of had a wake up about lately, you know, I've passed, he just had a birthday, I had a birthday not too long ago, that was pretty tough. And so but you know, it makes you think about, okay, well, if I'm in poor shape, I got poor eating habits. I don't exercise enough. What's that going to lead to in 20 years from now. And you know, because we don't want to be a burden on our family on our kids. We all want to live a healthy, vibrant life, you know, right up until the end. So I think these are things that you've got to take into consideration. early in life, we all think that we're 30 and bulletproof. But unfortunately, if you're lucky enough to live long enough, those things will catch up with you. Sandy 38:39 That's absolutely true. But something that should give people a little bit of, let's say, comfort, is that in many cases, you can actually be healthier, possibly fitter, and possibly even look better from a conventional standpoint, as you age rather than when you were younger. A lot of teenagers have terrible eating habits, a lot of very young people like to say they assume they're bulletproof. So they're just feeding themselves terrible things their skin might be suffering, the consequences. They might be. Well, there's another thing when you're very young, often your confidence level is not at its peak. So oftentimes, that also plays a part in you're not looking your best. A lot of young people don't actually go to the gym or workout much. But sometimes when people get a little older, let's say late 30s 40s 50s, late 50s, and so on, they kind of have a wake up call, and they say, okay, no, no, I need to turn things around. And they actually start taking action. And all of a sudden, they look and feel amazing, way better than when they were younger. And I think we can actually think about people in our own lives or celebrities that we don't want to think about our circle of friends that look way better now than they did 20 years ago, I mean, for sure. I mean, a lot of people even, for example, Robert Downey Jr, that I mentioned, right now he's an athletic man, he is known to be an action star in his 20s. He was like a, you know, a very pale kind of golf like person. I mean, so again, I think he looks better now as a 16 year old man than he did about 20. Or even in the case of myself, I know, I was healthier, fitter, and probably in my physical prime, probably around 40. And not around 20. That's for certain at 20. I mean, I was very fit, but I was not very healthy. And I was not, I did not have much muscle tone, because that was not a thing that was popular back then. But a 40 or so I was modeling swimsuits. So I mean, it's, it's interesting that that really, age does not really played a huge role in that regard. Roy Barker 40:58 Yeah, and we're getting rid of some of our bad habits, like, you know, the smoking and drinking to access, I think society is like, you know, we're moving away. But the, you know, the new smoking now is sitting in a chair and setting for your job, or sitting in front of a TV or sitting in front of game console. I mean, there's a lot of reasons for it. So you know, I think it's just part of the message is also just get out and get moving, you have to move every day. And the great thing about this time of life, was the period that we're in now is that, that you have so many options, we've got the gym, where you can do the weights, you can do all kinds of cardio equipment, we've got the wall, yeah, you got virtual, we got the mirror thing that leads you on it, we've got the group's you know, they have that meat out in the park, that they do different movements and yoga, we can play videos on the TV that do yo and some other you know, cardio type stuff, core work. It's just, we've got so much at our disposal that I just would encourage everybody, just find something you like you don't have to do the same thing every day, you can mix it up, but at least start exploring something that you can do and continue to do through your life because it's not only your physical health, but it's also your brain health. Sandy 42:27 Yes, and definitely select, like you were saying a type of exercise that you enjoy personally. And also, it's a very good idea to match your workout for the day, to your mood. For example, if you're feeling tremendously stressed out and frazzled, maybe something like yoga, or Pilates, or something that might be a little bit more relaxing, might work well, if you're feeling a dip in confidence, definitely, I would say weight training is very good because you see your achievement, or you feel your achievement. If you're feeling aggressive, because you need to get rid of extra aggression, maybe you're mad at something or frustrated with something, maybe a boxing workouts something around those lines, that would be very good. And if you're just bored, and you can't come to, you can't bring yourself to actually do anything, what I would do is I would find mystery or suspense audio book, and listen to or a podcast maybe about true crime or something that's very intriguing. And I would listen to it as I was doing my workout. And I would only exclusively continue listening next time I worked out. So then obviously if I'm left with a cliffhanger, I'm going to be looking forward to working out the following day for sure. Oh, that's Terry 43:43 a great idea. Roy Barker 43:44 Well, you know, like, for me, taking a little walk during the day we try to we don't we're not great about consistency. But you know, going for that walk in the morning, and especially at lunch or in the evening, it's tends to clear my head and be think I have a lot of clarity of thoughts, either thinking of new things, or maybe I'm working on the problem I'm trying to solve and I just can't figure out you know, how this is all fitting together. You just be surprised at how clear your mind becomes when you just get away from things and even just take a little walk. Terry 44:20 Yeah, and outside. You know, just go outside for a minute. Just if you just need to go and stand just look, look up to the sky, close your eyes don't look into the sun, but you know, just looking at I did that a while ago a little while ago and that just brought a lot of clarity. Believe Sandy 44:40 fantastic. I also give a little tip in the book. It may not be for everyone, but I think that it's it can be helpful. Sometimes if you need motivation motivation to embark on a fitness program. Sometimes what you can do is put a cart before the horse in other ways you go to To your calendar or your date book, and you schedule something in the future that will require you to be in peak physical shape. It could be a 5k, it could be a bikini shoot, it could be a meeting with your former classmates, it could be whatever you personally feel will motivate you, and you put it on your calendar. And then you do a little countdown so that you know how many days you have to go. And just looking at that number will, at least it does to me, it gets me going, definitely, if I know I'm three weeks away from you have a TV show or the meeting with classmates, or whatever I do, you know, I'm there at the gym at five in the morning. And I'm not, you know, eating anything that should not be eaten. So I think it works. Roy Barker 45:50 That's good motivate, I was thinking when you first started talking, I was thinking you were gonna say, you know, like, go out and buy your dress to dress sizes too small. So you can try them because that's a that's a motivator for me is I've got a, you know, a couple shirts that are way too small at this point. But you know, you go in there and try them on and you can see your progress. And it kind of gives you a little extra boost to get, keep going. Sandy 46:15 I love that that's a wonderful idea. And you know, I have seen that the opposite tends to happen. So don't do the opposite. When people buy things one size too large, you actually grow you expand to fill up that garment. So don't. So that's something that you should definitely not do. Roy Barker 46:32 Yeah, and I don't know that this happens for everybody. But you know, part of the problem with buying those baggy clothes is not only tend to fill them, but you become more comfortable. Like I don't really have any motivation to change them. But, you know, like when I put a T shirt on, that's like pretty snug. It gives me a lot more motivation to like, hey, I need to really keep on this program to make some changes. So it's not so tight because I can't wear it on public. Terry 46:59 Yeah, or being able to breathe. Better a little too tight. Sandy 47:05 Yes. I mean, this might sound a little bit like too obsessive. But I have heard that there are studies that show that if you eat in front of a mirror, you tend to make more healthful choices. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily recommend eating in front of a mirror because that sounds a little bit too, too obsessive. But it's, I think it maybe we wouldn't go that far. But I do think that before you make an unhealthy food choice, not only thinking in terms of what will this do to my body on a visceral level, but what will this do to my mood? And how will I feel after eating this thing. I've had the experience that sometimes I'm very tempted by say, a pizza, and I eat a pizza and my maybe a whole pizza. And my experience is that after eating it, I feel sluggish. I feel like a carb coma, I'm not comfortable. I just feel like very unhealthy and very unhappy. It's depressing overall. So sometimes what I do in order to just not eat that, is to think, think back on how I felt the last time I actually think that and I just remember, you know, it's really not worth it. It's not even that tasty. So it's just a matter of remembering how we feel when we eat things that we shouldn't be eating. Terry 48:27 Yeah, and I feel I mean, I do feel better after I eat something that's after I eat a salad. You know, I never used to be able to get excited about salads or vegetables. I I'm a I'm a sugar, person, sugar and salt. Give me Give me some chips and chocolate, I'm good. But I just I feel a lot better after I eat something that is healthy for me and not pouring off on all the salad sweet. And, you know, caloric laced salad dressings and all of that just a little oil and vinegar, a couple of crude John's or some sunflower seeds or whatever. Just, it makes me feel a lot better. After I do that. Roy Barker 49:06 There was a star that said something about you know, even if you eat a candy bar or ice cream, it's like you get, you know, five minutes worth of pleasure eating it. But what does it take to make that go away? You know, the effort that you have to put in or, you know, the damage that it can do to certain people if you know they have certain conditions. So we always have to think about that. That's It's good. It's hard to do for me because I'm like, oh, I'll eat it and think about it later. Terry 49:35 The immediate pleasure that it's gonna bring Yeah, and then all Roy Barker 49:38 we need to start thinking about what it what it is and what it does before we eat it. That'd be great. Yeah. Well, Sandy, thank you so much for being with us today. We certainly do appreciate it before we get away. What is a tool or what is a habit? Something that you do daily that you feel adds a lot of value to your life Sandy 49:59 when it comes To fitness, I think that's something that adds value is knowing that every day, I get fitter every day I get healthier, and that allows me to enjoy and relish the passage of time, rather than fearing the passage of time. So that's something that I would recommend that our listeners engage in something that is measurable. It could be endurance wise, it could be how much weight can I lift? It can be how long can I work out? It can be how, what distance can I run? It can it could even be how much weight can I lose without obsessing, of course, but something that is measurable, will make every passing day feel good? Not like Oh, another day pass? No, it's like, oh, it's a brand new day. It's fantastic. I'm doing better than before. Terry 50:46 I love that you you give some advice, but you also back it up with examples. And I'm, I'm a visual person. So I you know, I can see it in my head, what you're talking about. And this is how you wrote wrote your book, I thoroughly enjoyed it. It was an easy read not mean for me just to follow because you didn't go off on tangents or anything. It was like, to the point straight to the point. And I and I enjoyed that. And I just wanted to make sure that you knew that. Thank you so much. Roy Barker 51:19 Yeah, I think the that's the nice thing, like the the brand of watch. Switch watches not long ago. But that's what I like about it is it gives accuse you for that smaller step, that if I take the smaller steps through the day, at the end of the day, you know, I've got decent results already without really you know, having to go out and do things. So take it that negative and let's turn it into a positive find something that you can measure. You know, we can't change what we don't measure something that's always said as well. So good advice. Yes. Well, thank you so much again, Sandy, we appreciate it. Tell us a little bit about the book where people can find it. And then you know how people could reach out if they want to connect with you. Sandy 52:05 Absolutely. The book is called "Choose to Prevail" by Sandy Rodriguez, I actually have here with me. And it's a book that's available pretty much on any online platform, for example, Amazon or Barnes and noble.com or target.com walmart.com many different places where it can be found, probably Amazon would be the easiest. And if they click here to connect while we're on Instagram, as at choose to prevail. There's also a Facebook group called "Choose to Prevail." And I'll be more than happy to welcome anybody that cares to join us there. Terry 52:40 And it's about reframing challenges. Sandy 52:43 Yes, not only in fitness, but in life in general how to overcome any issue that might be tripping us up, some of us struggle with things that are big, such as, for example, the death of a loved one. Some of us struggle with something small, for example, of physical insecurity, or dealing with a difficult person. And all of these things can be managed more easily, with a shift in mindset. And that's what the book is Roy Barker 53:08 all about. Yeah. All right. Awesome. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course, I'm your host, Roy. I'm Terry, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. If we're not on one that you listened to please reach out we'd be glad to add, add it to our list. And we're also on all the major social media platforms, so probably the most active on Instagram. So go check us out and check out the website for a lot of our past interviews. And go over there and you can watch and watch a video of this interview with Sandy as well as get the audio version for her share with your friends. Alright, until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your family. Terry 53:57 Thank you Choose to Prevail Book (@choosetoprevail) • Instagram photos and videos www.feedingfatty.com
Stuck In Your Life or Career? Could be Your Subconscious Sabotaging You with Dawna Campbell We all want to feel valued, both worthy and appreciated. The subconscious works is that from the moment you were conceived till the day you exit this earth, it records every moment. So it records all of the events. And it records how you feel moment by moment to those events, and puts those feelings and emotions to the events. Then a template to create a reality. About Dawna Known as the Mind Whisperer, Dawna combines her past knowledge, wisdom, and experience to assist you in creating and restoring a life of happiness, prosperity, and love. Dawna has over 25 years combined years of professional experience. As a former Financial Advisor, her book, Financially Fit, is a #1 Amazon International Best Seller bringing together the world of money and the energy body, and the souls essence. She is a professional speaker sharing her techniques during interactive workshops and maintains an international private practice. Dawna has shared the stage with Lisa Nichols, Dr. Joe Vitale, Sharon Lechter, and David Meltzer. Her personal Heart Centered Healing philosophy is to create a world that is a better place for all to live. www.dawnacampell.com www.thebusinessofbusinesspodcast.com Full Transcript Below Stuck In Your Life or Career? Could be Your Subconscious Sabotaging You with Dawna Campbell Sun, 8/8 5:47PM • 40:02 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eating, energy, breathing, feel, feeling, body, dairy, food, world, stress, people, changed, mindset, day, find, create, fed, pattern, diet, serotonin SPEAKERS Terry, Dawna, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 And we are the podcast of course we bring you our personal journey, my personal journey Terry support in trying to get healthy. You know, as I've been aging, I think the wellness factor is, you know, it's finally a realization I know I need to deal with. So we don't want to outlive our wellness. I don't want to be a burden to anybody for certain. So we are going through, you know, some changes in our diet, trying to exercise more, be more active and just be more mindful and thoughtful about what we're doing. We know that we're not alone. So that's main reason we started this podcast. So not only do we talk about our journey, but we also have guests and professionals from time to time. Today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce Dawna. Terry 00:44 All right, Dawna Campbell is a professional speaker, international healer and bestseller author. She teaches trains and mentors heart centered business owners, how to align your inner balance to gain infinite prosperity in all areas of your life. As a former financial advisor Dawna's book financially fit is a number one Amazon international bestseller bringing together the world of money and the energy world of the soul's essence. She is also a contributing author to other best selling books, including one habit to have in a post COVID world and cracking the rich code with Tony Robbins and Jim Britt. Dawna shares her techniques that she has learned all around the world from yoga, yoga, yoga, healers, Zen Buddhist monks and a medicine woman while maintaining a private practice. This has earned Dawna the title of the mind whisperer for creating instantaneous results in the areas of health, wellness and relationships. Dawna has over 25 years of experience and has shared the stage with notables such as Lisa Nichols, Dr. Joe Vitale, share Lecter Lecter and Kevin Harrington. She has been featured on Roku TV, Yahoo Finance, Fox News, NBC and the Los Angeles Tribune. Her personal heart centered healing philosophy is to create a world that is a better place for everyone. Dawna, welcome to the show. Dawna 02:14 Thank you. And thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here with you today. Terry 02:19 Yeah, well, I am so excited to talk about this. I mean, I don't even know where to start, because I have so many questions in energy healing and financial advising on like that meshing of those worlds. Dawna 02:38 Yes, and I, the former financial advisor, we would look at client's portfolios and talk about net worth, and how much their assets appreciated, and the value and if they had enough for their goals. And as I transitioned into the world of healing after my own journey, clients, I realized we're saying the exact same thing, I want to know that I felt worthy that I'm enough that I was valued and appreciated when I was little. And then one day a couple years ago, it clicked that it's the same words we're using. So it has the same vibrational frequency behind it. So if you didn't feel like you are enough, on the inside, you didn't have enough on the outside financially. And money by itself is just energy. And it doesn't do anything until you apply energy to it. And the energy that gets applied is how you feel about yourself on the inside. So when I started working with clients, whether it was in the area of health, for what was going on with them physically, or if it was in a relationship, whether it was marriage, or family, or even in the areas of wealth, whatever, we shifted and changed every single time their finances started improving, because we were changing the route of how they felt. So everything in their life became better. Terry 04:05 Wow, interesting. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, you know, some of our guests that we've had, we've had functional medicine physicians, I mean, it's all about going back to the root of everything. Yes, it is. Roy Barker 04:22 So what are what would be some of the main I guess some of the main areas that you see as that route and the reason I ask is because you know, I have trouble staying on a good eating a good balanced eating plan. And so you know, I've at points in time I've tried to think back, you know, of any trauma or something that was undealt with or, you know, the negative energy. I feel like for the most part, you know, until I have a podcast equipment malfunction, I'm usually I'm usually pretty, pretty positive. I have to admit that I have thrown a shoe every now and then, you know, for stuff. But, you know, so I just, you know, I think about me personally. And always, I don't mind using myself as an excuse or as the subject because, you know, I want to, I want to try to find the root of this poor eating or, you know, just kind of fallen off because like, we'll do good for two, three days, we've done good for months at a time, but it is like, you know, the minute something goes wrong, it's like, everything goes wrong, and it's just you're not back on track. So or for me, anyway, yeah. Dawna 05:36 Right. So the way the subconscious works is that from the moment you were conceived till the day you exit this earth, it records every moment. So it records all of the events. And it records how you feel moment by moment to those events, and puts those feelings and emotions to the events. And then from that it starts giving you a template to create a reality from because it's like the coding or the system. And that becomes automated. Now, when we understand and take a look at what is at the root of it. What we want to do is see how you feel in this moment when things go wrong. And then all at once you're eating more food, and you did great for like three months. But now it's like this, because there's an energy there, which is an emotion or a feeling. So we start there in the consciousness. And then we find going back by asking questions, where it first started in the subconscious where that energy was, and where it got locked in your body. Now, it may not be a traumatic event. And it may not even be an event that's associated to what you were doing, because we're following the feeling and the emotion to unlock it out of the body to stop causing harm. And then we invite in the emotion and feelings that we want to have health, goodness, kindness, it might be prosperity, it might just be feeling better, it might just be happiness, and we invite those energies in to take the place of what we're taking out. And this my job is why I'm called the mind whisper is to help you find what was hidden to you and change that frequency. So is the subconscious creates a new pattern moving forward? Roy Barker 07:30 Interesting. Okay. And you said that sometimes it's not a traumatic event, it's just a is it? Is it still tied to an event? Or is it just kind of like maybe changes in life or something not like physical changes, but you know, like, as you progress through age, things just change Terry 07:51 the same feeling goes with, Dawna 07:54 right? So say somebody was working on their finances. And they wanted to know and understand why they weren't getting more. They were wanting to create more, but it just didn't happen. And I'll use myself as an example. And I remember when I was sitting there going, Okay, I need to go from this level of my business to this next level. But I'm not getting it. I'm not there. How come? How does this feel? Well, I'm frustrating, of course, well, where do I feel the frustration I have in my body. And I felt it kind of in my heart, but also in my stomach. And when I traced it back, I went, when did I feel that before and I instantly recall the time that I was shopping at the store with my mom, I asked for an item. And I got told no, and all the reasons why we couldn't afford this, you know, $2 item. And, and I was made to feel less than and not worthy in that moment, because I asked for something. And that was wrong to ask for it. So my subconscious brain associated feeling less than in that moment that was unrelated, and created that pattern that I couldn't ask for something that I wanted, because I was always less than, and I was made to feel ashamed for it. And when I changed that, I changed it to Well, I want to have happiness. So I wanted to experience that happiness. And what I discovered was, I was worthy whether I had the item on the outside or not, and that I was always enough and that something on the outside didn't validate me or who I was and when that changed the next level of business. Okay, because we changed the frequency on the subconscious side. So the event still happened, how I felt about the event was completely different and That changed everything else in my world. Terry 10:03 Wow, I felt that I felt that feeling that you were talking about I mean, just with being told no. And the reasons why. And I mean, I have felt that and I can't even put my finger on it. That's bizarre. I've never had it explained. So well, you know, because I'm not I'm like on a quest to find out about energy and what's going on with me and different things like and ROI as as well, you know, just different things. As far as like the eating habits, as well, and just being healthy all together, because, you know, he said, he says, I'm his support, but he's my support as well, it's not, it's about me being healthy. Also, you know, we just, we both, we both want it. Dawna 10:54 Absolutely. And I will tell you, one of the biggest places where most of the locked energy is at is in the stomach, in the guts. And there's a couple of reasons for that. The first reason is that when you were conceived, you're were connected to your mom, by an umbilical cord. So she fed you nutritionally in that. So that was the start of our eating patterns. But she also fed you emotionally with every thought feeling, and emotion she had, that also went straight into your stomach. So that's why it's called the second Ray, because you were fed all of those things energetically. And that went into your cells as your cells multiplied to create you. And then you were connected by your father through DNA. So whatever he went through that portion of the DNA that you have, if his also the same thing, so that's where the whole eating pattern really does start was when we're being formed in the womb. So some of the work we get to go back to that time, not necessarily, if you know things about what happened when your mom was pregnant with you, that's great, but how things might have felt and how we can clear out some of that energy that's not yours, that started your pattern when you were first born. Roy Barker 12:13 It's funny that you say that, well, we've learned a lot about the stomach that it you know, a lot of, I guess a lot of things start there, a lot of the, with the stress, stress has the effect on it, but so like when I'm eating good, and but my, you know, my triggers tend to be late at night. But it's funny, because like, Okay, before we go to bed, I'll feel hungry, and I want something, you know, I just want it, I don't need it. But I get this empty feeling kind of in my stomach and in my chest. And it's weird, because we've talked about this, like, it's almost like that I have to be full to feel, I guess that safe and comfort or whatever, where you can go lay down and sleep. I don't know how, how any of that related, but sounds like there may be something to to that same, you know, to that feeling that I get relating back to this. Dawna 13:11 So what we would do is explore that feeling of emptiness, and then identify when it really first started and what was going on in your life around that. And whatever those events are, we would take a look at that. And then we would find out what it was that you needed. Because we can put in what was needed at that time to release the emptiness. And if it was empty, you need to be filled with something right. So we can do that. Because physics says there's no time or space. So when we make those changes, then you go to bed feeling full, satisfied whole and complete without the emptiness. You're not craving the food. Terry 13:52 Wow. Roy Barker 13:53 Yeah, that's awesome. And yeah, I probably need to do it. Come on. So, you know, let's let's just talk about energies in themself. You know, we, we have talked some about it we, you know, I think Terry actually had talked to someone I guess it was, did your sister recommend or something? Yeah, the energies. But, you know, it's an interesting concept. Because the older I get, the more I feel like, you know, the universe is does have an effect on us and the energies that we put out, you know, sometimes we receive that back, it's the energy of weaken, we get to make the decision. If this is going to be a failed day or not, typically, you know, if we believe it is then it will come true. So can you talk a little bit about all of those energies and how they kind of relate? Dawna 14:53 Yes, um, how we feel creates the next moment and the next moment and the next moment after that. So if you're in the energy of stress or worry or anger, then you're going to keep repeating those moments. And if you're eating at that time of stress, worry, anger excetera, those are the emotional components, you're feeding yourself. And then it's going to break down your entire digestive system. I know this because I got to experience it firsthand for myself for over two years, and I can talk about that. But if we're in the state of the happiness, the joy, the peace, the balance, then what happens is, our body is more relaxed, it becomes healthier. And if we're eating in that state, we're able to properly digest our food, instead of on the run in the car, driving around in that state. And how you get up in the morning is probably one of the most important things that you can do. Let me get a clean piece of paper here. Very first thoughts you have when you wake up are incredibly important. Now I'm one that likes to stay in bed as long as possible. Before I get up and run around and get ready for the day, but I always make sure I have plenty of time. But I used to get up out of the bed going, Oh gosh, I'm so tired. And I just want to stay in bed and I want to sleep in. And I changed my mindset, doing some of the work that I do. But I learned about a week and a half ago, that March 31 in Japan numerology is like the luckiest day of the year. Now, when I found out I found out on March 30. So I went, well, tomorrow's March 31. It's going to be the luckiest day of the year. So I got up on March 31. Going, it's the luckiest day of the year, I need to celebrate something. So I started celebrating all of my small little wins, self validation, and all of that, and I had a really great day. And I went, Oh, that works really well. It's April 1, it's the luckiest day ever. So now every morning since then I wake up, and I start thinking, Oh, it is the luckiest day ever. What am I going to celebrate? How am I going to celebrate? And what happens is immediately my mood is lifted up. I'm instantly happy. I get up, I go on about my day. And then I'm like, early to everything. And then all of these amazing things fall into place. What happened to my diet by doing this? Guess who's now drinking wheatgrass juice? Who does a pumpkin seed protein mix? And started eating salad at lunch? Oh, wow. Never would I ever do that. Because I have a hard time digesting salad after my own digestion issues. But now I've been eating salad every day. And I'm like, Hmm, this is starting to work. Just by thinking that it's the luckiest day ever. Roy Barker 17:58 See, and I wake up in my day starts with Can somebody get this dog off. I have cats, they just got an 80 pound foot pillow down there that you know you like pinned in, you can't even get up. Now. That's interesting. Because, you know, we've talked a lot on this show, too, about that mindset, and that it's and I give my priest as much credit for this as possible, because he told me once that our minds are like grinders, and we get to choose what we grind. If we're grinding negative stuff all day, it's just gonna continue where if we grind positive stuff, it will just continue to multiply. And the other thing I think, too, it's not only the because things are gonna happen to us outside of our control, but I think it is, it's related to how we handle it, you know, if I'm already if I'm already having a spell, and something new comes on top of it's like, you know, you just to your breaking point. Whereas, you know, like dogs barking in the background. But whereas, you know, if things are going good and you're happy in that mindset, it just seemed like you're able to handle things a little bit better. Dawna 19:15 And mindset is only a part of it. Because the 10% we are consciously aware of the other 90% is hidden in the subconscious and is continually playing kind of like background noise, but we don't hear it. We don't know. But it's out there and it is other people might pick up on it. But we ourselves don't hear it and we're like a radio tower. It's always being broadcasted out. So we don't always know all of that we're sending out. It's kind of like when you're getting ready to go to like a sales meeting, and you're walking down the hallway and you know, if it's going to be a really good sales meeting, and everyone's gonna be congratulated, or nobody made their sales numbers and you're kind of all in trouble. You feel that loss Before you start walking down the hallway to the meeting, all right, well, that's exactly how it works in our energy field. And what you're feeling is, is all the subconscious thoughts, energies and emotions leaving the person's body. And so mindset, yes, to be consciously aware of how we're going to start our day. But there's that 90%. That's that tape loop that's always playing in the background. Roy Barker 20:23 Interesting. So, if we're always putting that out, let's talk for a minute about the old, saying, it's the We Are the average of the five people that we surround ourselves, you know, do we soak up that neg negative or positive energy from somebody that we are around in that subconscious? Dawna 20:47 Because what happens is, is you are in a shared energy field with them. And if you hang out with five people, and they are not of the same mindset, as you are there, always a lot of anger or chaos or drama around it, you start absorbing that that goes in your energy field. And then pretty soon you have anger, drama and chaos in your life. And you're like, how did I get here. And if you were around five people that were of a different vibrational frequency, a different mindset, a different feeling, then that's going to raise you and elevate you, as well. And one of the Buddhist monks, I think it was one of the Dalai Lama's said, the very most important thing that you can do is to be mindful of the company that you've keep. And that's when we have friends, we vibrate here, and then pretty soon some leave, and then new ones come in, but they feel different than the old ones. And then you are no longer talking to the old friends, because you're talking to the new friends. And it's just because of how energy attracts vibrationally through the law of magnetism. Wow. Roy Barker 21:53 Okay. Yeah. What No, it is, I mean, and you just, you just feel better. And, you know, you can tell those people that, you know, we call them, you know, the energy suckers, but it's like, you know, you can be all pumped up, and then there's people you can get around, and when you leave, you just feel like a wilted flower, like they just suck. Terry 22:16 have nothing left, Dawna 22:18 you're depleted, you have to go to sleep for the next four hours. Yes. Roy Barker 22:22 So how does, you know some things that we always talk about too, is our exercise patterns, our sleep patterns? How does all of that play into this as well? Dawna 22:34 It does, because how you digest your food will affect your sleep patterns. Now, in order for us to sleep, we have to have the proper mix of melatonin which is produced in the pineal gland in our brain. In order to have them bright melatonin, we have to have the right amount of serotonin to produce the right amount of melatonin. So this is just a continual cycle. Most of the serotonin is produced in the digestive system. So if you are not eating the correct foods to produce serotonin, you're going to get depleted. And every time we use our electronics, whether it's our phone, video games, zoom all of it, we get a little surge of serotonin flashing through our brain, and if it doesn't replace through the digestive tract and what we are eating, then we become depleted if we get too depleted in serotonin, we become depressed. But if you have the right mix of serotonin, then Melatonin is properly synthesize, and you have a balanced sleeping pattern. So the sleeping is out of balance, or you can't sleep or you're constantly waking up, it could be your diet. Roy Barker 23:48 You know, we've, I don't think it's too early in the process to say that we, we've been thinking about the cutting down on our meat protein, and we have kind of been looking, I guess, the last week or so we've been doing pretty much plant base. And because, and we've been doing the, I guess the intermittent fasting for this reason, we've been, you know, again, told a lot of times that our body spends about 80% of its energy digesting our food. So if we eat all day long, it's constantly doing that and I was just st talented this morning that I just wake up feeling so much better. And the other thing we're doing, we're quitting eaten, you know, like at six or seven, so I don't get to have my 10 o'clock, you know, Taco Bell snack or pizza or whatever, you know, whatever we can find laying around so I'm sure that has something to do with it. But the other odd thing is I have an arm that I have some inflammation in some of the tendons and I said you know eating good. The inflammation it's like it just disappeared overnight. I mean, like magic, Terry 25:05 like two days, or Dawna 25:07 I don't that's Yes, because the diet plays such an important role. And we don't think about it. By eating more of a plant based diet, you're eating food that is created by lights. And light energy is what we need in our body, for our soul for our spirits. Interesting. You can still eat meat, be mindful about the meat. And I say that because it also depends on your blood type, which I learned, oh, when I lived in the ashram, which is a spiritual living community, it was vegetarian. And, and actually almost 100% vegan by the time I was there, and I was a particular blood type, I'm Oh, positive. So about six months of being completely vegetarian, I started craving red meat. And I didn't know why. And I thought it was because of the iron content. But I found out that there's an amino acid in red meats that Oh, positive, or Oh, blood type people need it. And that it wasn't wrong for me to eat meat if I was craving it, because it said my body needed something from it. So occasionally, I would eat meat. I remember asking energetically once, what was the best diet for me? And I heard fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, sometimes meat. So I went to go do that. I thought it was gonna starve. Because what was not on there was dairy, or Great. Well, it's a slow process and to do it, and moderation, including moderation. Roy Barker 26:42 Yeah. And that's kind of the plan we've adopted is it's not, you know, we don't have any conviction against me, or anything that we're saying never ever again, but I think it's more of that controlled, and, you know, maybe trying to have a nice piece of fish if you just really crave something, but Terry 27:01 and trying to cut things out, you know, some I mean, just trying to clean our refrigerator out from all the dairy and the meats. And I mean, all of that stuff, there is so much so we made the decision. And then, you know, spent most of our time trying to clean out the fridge. But I think we're there I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Roy Barker 27:19 Oh, no, no, no, I was just gonna say the the other part of that is the dairy and so is how dairy relates. We had a guest on and the episode hasn't aired yet. But when I started researching some of his work, it was very interesting to find that mammals are the only are humans are the only mammal to drink another mammals milk. And, you know, if they said that Terry 27:45 thought about it like, Roy Barker 27:46 Yeah, but they said it had. They said, Really? To be honest, if you aren't lactose intolerant, you're probably the the exception not the rule that we should all you know, after some form of infancy, we should all get that way. So I guess, what are the how does that affect our our energies? Dawna 28:12 With a Jheri, depending on the type of dairy, dairy does cause inflammation in the body. And now our milk today is so different than what it was 20 or 30 years ago. And how it's processed in children is even different. They're doing things now not only with the additives and the hormones, but they're adding sugar, to milk to sweeten it to have children and other people drink it because it tastes sweeter. That sugar causes inflammation, and they're adding it in there. So we don't always know what's in the the milk, or the products. There's food coloring in cheese, cheese is not naturally orange, the food coloring has heavy metals in it that's needed, which is the binding agent to make the food coloring stick like aluminum. So you don't know that there that's in the food calorie that's in the cheese that we're consuming. And so all of these things will put those toxins into the body. And with you really want to make a big change to your diet, the number one thing that you can do is to take out food coloring. And if you look at every thing that has food coloring in it, you will have a very clean diet. Every cracker, every processed food has some form of food coloring in it. And cheese has food coloring in it if it's not white, and there are some brands that have a natural food coloring called a nano and that's okay. It's a natural color and kind of like what Hannah would be but for food, but it's not the other coloring that we would have been like American Jeez, yeah. Roy Barker 30:03 Yeah. And that that was the hardest thing to get. I'm sorry. I didn't mean taco week. I was just gonna say that that was probably one of the hardest things for us to do was to actually take some leftover cheese and put it in the trash because I mean, that's my Yeah, we're cheese, that's my go to snack, there's not a meal that we don't have that doesn't have cheese all on it. But also, I think not only for the dairy qualities, but tends to the what we found be all very high in salt, which you know, but I will say that is my favorite thing. My favorite tomato paste tomato sauce is you can take taste it when they have put a lot of sugar in Dawna 30:53 ketchup, as a lot of sugar in it. Roy Barker 30:57 So what are some recommendations that, you know, I know that if if somebody's got a problem, they really need to sit down to have a session with you. So you can kind of work back and find this, you know, where, where their energies may be affecting them. But are the subconscious may be affecting their energies. But what are some things that we can do, you know, maybe just Top of Mind three or four things that we can try to start practicing every day, that should really help us not only in the health and wellness, but our overall life. Dawna 31:33 A couple of things, the first thing that you can do is when you are eating, make sure you're eating out of happiness and joy, and not out of stress or worry. And if you're going to feel or be rushed, while you're eating, it might be better not to eat more blue, some protein drinks, to be able to do that for less amount of time, instead of eating, when you are eating, put down the fork in between bites. And don't be on your electronics at the same time. Yes, we have those away, and just sit and eat because when the body's in that state, you're going to digest your food a little bit more properly. So there's some things like that, that you can do automatically. One of the things I love doing is a breathing exercise. Now I don't do this when I'm eating, but it helps shift the energy inside. So we need to feel depressed or angry or anxious or worried or in those stressful states, what we want to do is release that out of the body. Now when we breathe out, we breathe out co2, which is carbon dioxide, which is all of the toxins our body no longer needs. And when we breathe in, we're breathing in oxygen and all the things our body does need. So what we do in this breathing exercises you breathe in, but you're going to breathe in happiness or joy, it might be calmness and stillness could be serenity, kindness, and you're going to breathe out the stress, the worry, the anxiety, the depression, and I do this, I set the timer on my phone for about two or three minutes, and I close my eyes. I breathe in happiness, my read out bitterness. And I will sit there and do that over and over with the same words. And then the next day or the next time I do it, I might choose different words, whatever it is that I'm feeling. And that's going to change your body physiologically. And when that happens, it's going to put you in a calmer state, you'll become more focused, you'll have a lot more clarity, and you might not be hungry. And if you think you're hungry, or you need to fill yourself up with something, drink a glass of water, especially if you're angry, or you're getting frustrated, drink a glass of water, you could just be dehydrated. And that water will flush through the body. making those shifts and changes as well just like the breathing will do. And you will it'll go back into that calmer state. And then you can take a look at what's going on. Roy Barker 34:07 Yeah, and talking about the breathing. You know, that's something that I've really recognized about myself is holding breath and stress not ness. And it doesn't have to be like a bad stress. It could just be intense. I've noticed it like, you know, when I really get into a spreadsheet and things are rolling and doing this. It's like, you know, I have to actually say take a breath. I used to have a sign over my desk that said breathe and people would laugh and say you have to remind yourself to breathe and be like, Yeah, sometimes that but even when I'm breathing, I think I'm a very shallow breather. So I think there's a lot of there's a lot of truth to that we need to really take in those big deep breaths to help our body and you know, if you look at yoga and some other things that you know, we can control a lot of different things with that breathing I think and that's why they really They work on not only the body movements, but that breathing technique as well. Dawna 35:05 Absolutely. And the thing to also remember is that even if you stop breathing out of stress, your skin is still breathing. But because you have so much stress running through the body, when that air comes in through the skin, it will have more of a stressful state to it, even if you're holding your breath, versus being in the calmer, more relaxed state. And if you stop breathing, like in meditation, which does happen sometimes for people, the air that's coming in comes in through peace and balance, and stillness instead of stress that way. So it also depends on that emotional state to how the air comes into you. Okay, Roy Barker 35:50 well, awesome. Well, we appreciate you taking time out of your day to be with us. And, you know, I think that you've mentioned a few things, but one of our closing questions is always, you know, what is what's something, the one practice you feel adds the most value to your day, it could be an app of habit, just anything that really, that you use quite often Dawna 36:13 that I take a two minute break, doing one of those little mindful exercises every three hours. So when they're I have a break in between things, I stop, I leave the room. And I go sit and do something just to re adjust and recenter myself, doing like the breathing exercise, sometimes I just focus visually on something. Because every time you do that, it clears the mind allows you to have more focus and gives you more clarity. And then when you come back and you start working again, your work, it's just done. And it's it's completed and you're in a better elevated mood, and the stress and the frustration, even just sitting in a chair for a period of time, leaves the body. And that's that would be my number one go to and I do that throughout the day about every three hours. Okay, Roy Barker 37:07 awesome. That's, that's good. Terry 37:09 Really good advice I was gonna ask you about. So you're available for sessions online? Can you tell us what, what you offer on your website? Dawna 37:22 Yep, absolutely. If you go to Dawnacampbell.com. And that's dawnacampbell.com. There's a section on there that says sessions. And when you pull that up, I do offer a complimentary 1530 minute type session connection reading with me if you want to know more information or how the process might work for you. And then from there, we would determine what type of session or session packages you might need based on the complexity of what it is that you're working on and what you want to shift and change. And then from there, we just schedule and if we do packages, you have priority scheduling. So I personally schedule you on my calendar. And we work through step by step sequentially over however many weeks each session average is about an hour. All right, Roy Barker 38:11 that's awesome. Well, y'all reach out to Dawna and you have such an impressive list that we're going to get you to recite, I know that you've got your book, your book sitting next to you there. And then I know that you've written some chapters for some other books. And anyway, you've got a lot going on. So tell us all about where we can find some of your writings out. Dawna 38:35 Okay, so some of them are on my website at DawnaCampbell.com. But if you go to social media, most everything is posted on my business Facebook page. So that's Dawna Campbell 811. You can also find me on Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Twitter, and everything gets cross posted there as well. So anything that I have recorded anything that is there, it's any show that I've been on, it's all in those feeds. Okay, Terry 39:05 and financially fit is your book that you've got yes Roy Barker 39:08 Yes. All right. Well, awesome. Well, Dawna, we appreciate all the great information y'all reach out. See if she can help you with your subconscious and your energies. I know. You know, we feel better just talking to you for this little little amount. Terry 39:26 Breathing a little deeper. Yeah, exactly. Roy Barker 39:29 All right. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course, I am Roy. I'm Terry. You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We are also on all the major social media platforms. 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Time To Rethink Fish Oil Capsules, The Truth About Omega 3 & 6 Processing with Delia McCabe We had a great conversation with Delia about a lot of subjects, nutrition, fats, oils. One of the biggest pieces of information she gave us was the truth on fish oil. Fish oil has to be processed at very high temperatures, to be able to get the heavy metals, PCBs, and all the other toxins. Omega 6 and omega 3 oils that do not like light, heat and oxygen. About Delia Delia McCabe (PhD) shifted her research focus from clinical psychology to nutritional neuroscience upon discovering nutrition's critical role in mental wellbeing while completing her Masters. Delia's research into female stress has been published in a number of peer-reviewed journals, she is a regular featured expert in the media and her two internationally available books are available in four languages. Using her background in psychology, combined with evidence-based nutritional neuroscience and neurological perspectives, Delia supports behavior change and stress resiliency within corporates, and for individuals who want to optimize their brain health, via online courses, workshops and tailored events internationally. Find out more at www.lby.life www.lby.life www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Time To Rethink Fish Oil Capsules, The Truth About Omega 3 & 6 Processing with Delia McCabe Sun, 6/20 8:15PM • 1:01:43 SUMMARY KEYWORDS brain, fats, people, eat, omega, fish oil, delia, oils, body, diet, functioning, habit, optimally, essential fats, feel, feeding, good, bit, alzheimer, day SPEAKERS Delia, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:05 Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm Roy I'm Terry so we are the podcast chronicling our journey through wellness, which includes diet not eating not being on a diet as much as just our the food consumption portion as well as exercise mindset. It's a we're really looking at a holistic approach. And as we've gotten deeper into this, you know, we've added things to our repertoire, such as meditation and journaling, journaling and the other thing, the one that starts with the are Oh Reiki, right, Terry 00:43 like the way he says it though? Roy Barker 00:47 No, I can't. Anyway, he Terry 00:48 says Reiki Roy Barker 00:50 but in, you know, intermittently, we do have a guest professionals in the field to come on and that's what we have the day and Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Delia. Terry 01:00 Yes. Welcome to Delia McCabe. She is a PhD who shifted her research focus, from clinical psychology to nutritional neuroscience upon discovering nutritions critical role in mental well being while completing her master's. Delia's research into female stress has been published in a number of peer reviewed journals. She is a regular featured expert in the media and her two and her internationally available books are available in four languages. using her background in psychology, combined with evidence based new nutritional neuroscience and neurological perspectives. Delia supports behavior change and stress resiliency within corporates and for individuals who want to optimize their brain health via online courses, workshops and tailored events internationally. Delia, thank you so much for coming onto the show. We've been looking forward to this for a long time. Delia 02:01 Thank you, Terry. And thank you, Roy. So have I really been looking forward to this, Roy Barker 02:06 I'm gonna merge to the right here. Probably regret this because we could talk for hours about personal stuff. But this is a this is an interesting story. And this is one of the this is one of the great things that keeps us podcasting is because as a lot, as a lot of you know, we have, we have had some internet issues, and we really haven't taped much over the last six weeks, but right before the crash, you know, deal you came on and we talked to her and you know, getting things ready. And we even tried to come on and do the show, I think then it was just, we just didn't have the bandwidth to do that. And so anyway, we just like, Alright, we'll talk to you when we get this fixed. In the meantime, she sends us an email says, Hey, what do you know, my husband's gonna be in Austin. And coming up to Dallas for a side trip. Maybe we can get together. So anyway, we got together with him. We had an awesome time. Did a little countdown thing down in the stockyards. Got some good barbecue, walked around for a little bit and Terry 03:05 made him get a long horn balloon. Yeah, Roy Barker 03:07 we had to get like a balloon hat tied up. But anyway, Terry 03:10 Miko is great. Roy Barker 03:11 I think the point is that just you know, how lucky are we to be able to meet awesome guests from all around the world and who thought that you know, somebody that we talked to in Australia, you would have a husband in in Texas that we could go out and hang out with her. Terry 03:28 That was so fun. Now we got to get her. Roy Barker 03:30 Yeah. Now that's our next step. Anyway, I digress. But I thought, you know, that's such an awesome story to tell that, you know, we don't interject that enough. I don't think that you know, what great people that we meet from all around the world, it's just it's Terry 03:45 them face to face? Well, yeah, sort of indirectly. Delia 03:49 I think it's, it's really funny, because I've met you, you know, as you said, the internet issues and so we never got the podcast really done. But I haven't really met you in person. And they My husband is really making areas and wonderful and that's only because technology has allowed us to do this. And then of course, some limited travel now. Roy Barker 04:09 Right? Exactly, exactly. Like, we want to digress. I know we could be off on that for like I said for hours. And anyway, we want to get to talking about nutrition and let y'all kind of had a roadmap already lined out. I'm not gonna jump in. I'll let Terry let y'all lead into that. Terry 04:27 Okay, um, where would you like to start? You want to talk about improving Well, on your on lighter, brighter you your website? You have an informative blog. Should we touch a little bit on that improving cognitive function? You want to go there a little bit first? Delia 04:50 I think let me just explain how I got into nutritional neuroscience. That would be good. I think a lot of people go off and x psychologist, you know, what were you doing? So It was interesting for me because I was innopolis is dating me because it was more than 25 years ago, I was busy finishing my Master's in psych. And I was working with a group of really smart school kids who were really doing poorly at school. And my experimental group, these are the kids who were smart and doing poorly. I was doing an intervention with them, because I was curious about the psychological variables that led to the underachievement. And I was looking at what I could do and say, to help these children be focused and concentrate and study and make their parents and teachers breathe a sigh of relief. And I had a questionnaire that I gave to both the experimental group and the control group who were the smart kids doing well. And I had a little bit of extra space on the questionnaire. And you know, fate is a very funny thing and destiny. Because in that space, I asked them a question. I said, What is your favorite food? And the answer was really astonishing. Because every single one of the children in the experimental group loved some form of junk food. And the children in my control group were the opposite. You know, they were interested in Sunday lunch, or you know, roast roast chicken, and maybe veggies and salads and so on. They didn't focus on junk food. And it's very seldom in research that you come across such a clear distinction. No. So I was really stuck, because I couldn't really write that up into my thesis, because it wasn't part of what I was looking at. I was looking at psychological variables, not, you know, nutritional physiological variable. So I wrote my thesis, I've made a short mention of that. And then thought, Well, I'm going to take a break now and examine this whole nutrition and the brain story, because I was just about to have my daughter. And I thought, I'll take a bit of a break and check it out. And as I say, destiny and fate are weird things. Because after I dived into the subject, which 25 years ago was not a big subject. And there were only a few researchers around the world examining this, I realized that I didn't want to be a talking therapist anymore. I didn't want to look at ways to get people to change their lives when their brain wasn't functioning optimally. Because the bottom line is really very clear that thinking and behavior change. And everything that we do between our ears, happens across this huge network that's made up of cells, and chemicals, and membranes and molecules, all of which rely on lifestyle choices, primarily nutrition, to keep it all going. So for now, I need to really check this out and see how it works. So I thought to myself, well, it'll take me a couple of months. And I'll understand what this is all about. And, you know, 25 plus years later, you're right, I'm still learning. But I think what my mission is, is to explain to people like when their brain is functioning really well, because it's well fed, it's a whole lot easier to live a good life, because you make better decisions. When our brain is functioning optimally, you know, you're in a better mood, you think more clearly, you can be more creative, you have more energy naturally. And obviously, your brain ages really well, which is what we all want. So that that is my mission to explain to people, but the challenge has been, you know, I'm basically teaching prevention, and most people want cure. And the challenge with the brain is that it is functioning and trying to work optimally in sub optimum conditions for 95% of the population. And it does all these fancy and clever workarounds. So that we only realize that the brain has degraded 20 to 25 years after the degradation starts, oh, wow, most of the brain sophistication. So I'm really in a difficult spot, because I'm teaching prevention, and most people want to cure. But yeah, so that that's basically the foundation of where I started and why I didn't want to be a talking therapist anymore. For me, it was, I felt like it actually wasn't being honest, because I wanted people to first nourish their brains optimally before they could actually start looking at behavior change. Terry 09:18 And that makes it makes a lot of sense. And, but because people want to just throw pills, they just want something to eat, they want medication, whatever to fix something but if they look at it in a more holistic manner, and and if they start now, it's never too late to start, right and then they can Roy Barker 09:40 stop. That's what I was just sitting here thinking now our boat might have sailed. So Delia 09:47 I think the most wonderful thing about the brain is that it is very receptive to when you start giving it what it needs. And we definitely now know that even people that have got Alzheimer's if they follow a very strict protocol can reverse some of the damage. So there are researchers out there who are investigating that at the forefront. But it is so much better to practice prevention. And the sooner we do it, the better because you know, when's the best time to start? Well, yesterday would have been better, but today is just as good is just as good. Well, Roy Barker 10:19 that's the problem is that, you know, I'll speak for me that part of my problem is, you know, when you're young, and maybe some things are not right, your your body adjust, and it's not a big deal, it doesn't drag you down, like it does in your old age. So we tend to think, you know, we're bulletproof for, I'll get that under control tomorrow, you know, I've got another day. And, you know, even I'm sure people that smoke a lot and drink a lot. It's like, you know, I feel pretty good today, I can, you know, smoke for a little bit longer, and then I promise I'll quit or drinking. And the reality is that, no, we need to take these practices from childhood, because I think it's something that you've mentioned, of course, but I think this too, is that nourishment is so important to the education of our children. And not only eating correctly, but in the sad thing is, in some cases, eating at all. And you know, that kind of the pandemic shaunda really bright light on that is that a lot of our school districts had to continuing to serve meals, because that was where a lot of children, that's the only meal that they had. So I know that's a whole different subject. But you know, the reality is, it's never really too early to get into this. And as parents, we should always be, you know, a lot more conscious about our children and what they eat, because of the learning ability at that time, but also habits and then that, you know, we carry these bad habits into our age to our older age. Terry 11:49 And Delia knows because she bred some very smart children married a very smart man and very smart kids. Delia 12:00 Well, I think that's a funny way of saying it, but I think it's kind of like, fate was on the side as well, because as I discovered all these things, I started implementing them. And so my children definitely benefited from that, because research suggests very clearly that your child will reach their genetic potential, the intellectual genetic potential, if the brain is optimally fit, if it's not optimally fit, then I can't reach that intellectual potential, which is a very sobering thought and for parents that really care about their children, you know, you want your child to maximize their capacity to be fulfilled. And one of the ways we do that is by making sure our brain functions well, so, Roy, your comment about habits, of course, if you start out, you know, when you're young, and you learn all these good habits about feeding your brain and your body really well, then you don't have to break bad habits later on. Right, the breaking of the bad habits, that becomes really challenging, because there's also some research to suggest that children's taste buds develop in the first seven years of life. Wow. So if that's the case, then to change those taste buds. When children are older, then seven becomes so much more challenging. So it's really good to catch them when they young to just get them to embrace the kinds of foods that support them across a lifetime. Roy Barker 13:20 Yeah, so let's talk about that for a minute about feeding our brains. The I guess, intuitively, we just know, preservatives, fast foods, I guess, sometimes high carbs, high sugars, things like that are not good. But let's talk about what is good. I mean, what what really nourishes our brain and what feeds it to help us to maximize that. Terry 13:46 It's a great question, right? Yeah, sorry, Terry. I said in a nutshell, excuse me. Delia 13:52 It's an important question. And it's obviously the answer is huge. So I'm going to break it down into a few important things. And the first one is the fats and oils that we consume. Now, this was a big surprise to me. But when I discovered that 60% of the dry weight of the brain is made up of fat, I was really quite fascinated by that. Because that meant to me that I had to find out a lot about fats and oils. Because of that 60% between 20 and 25% needs to come from a fat that our body cannot make. That means it's got to come from our diet. And even if a nutrient has to come from our diet, it is called an essential nutrient. It means the body can't make it. So these are essential fatty acids, we talking about omega six and omega three and we'll unpack them in a moment. The other two categories of fats are saturated fats, and mono unsaturated fats, and the body can make saturated fats and mono unsaturated fats would use where The whole low fat diet catastrophe came in. Because when food was devoid of any fat, but had a lot of carbs in it, and a lot of refined carbs, for example, refined sugar, what happened was that too much of that actually gets converted into saturated fat in the body. So scientists didn't realize that when they put the low fat diet into place, everyone, but oh, well, that's fine, we can eat carbs until the cows come home. But guess what? excess carbs are stored as fat. So that's how the body makes saturated fat and also mono unsaturated fat. But omega six and omega three are completely different, we have to get them from our diet. And unfortunately, 95% of the population is deficient in these fats. And that's a huge problem. Because without these fats in the brain, specifically, the brain can't function optimally. Now, the question that most people ask me at this point, so I'll preempt both of you. The question is, why are these facts so important? And the reason they're so important is because of the critical role they play in the cell membrane in the neuronal membrane. So we'll talk about the brain year, but you just need to keep in mind, excuse the pun, that these fats do exactly the same kind of job in the rest of the body as well. It's just that in the brain, the functioning is even more important, because of the sophistication and sensitivity of to how the neurons communicate with each other. So if you can imagine a cell membrane, that cell membrane needs to be extremely flexible and malleable, to be able to communicate optimally with its neighbor, and to be able to send the electrical impulse, the electro chemical impulse that neurons communicate with to the next neuron really quickly and really efficiently. If the cell membrane is made up of lots of saturated fats, then it's less flexible, it's less malleable, it's less able to respond very quickly. And so the message doesn't get to the next neuron and the next one, and the next one as efficiently. So those omega three and omega six fats are very, very specific in the molecular structure, that molecular structure will determine how efficiently the neuronal membranes will function. And from that everything else stems. Because it's not just the neurons that need that correct mix of fats. It's also the actual organelles inside the cells, like the mitochondria. And everything else that lives inside the cells, he also needs a layer of fat to be able to keep it intact. So those essential fats are critical for brain function. When we speak about what they do in the body, they do an enormous amount of things in the body as well. immunity, metabolism, blood pressure, growth and development, the list goes on and on. And interestingly, you know, when when I love the name of your podcast, I think it is the funniest and most unique and, and cute name. You know, when we speak about weight loss, without these essential effects, we have two problems. These fats help the genes that switch on fat burning to be switched on. And they talk to the genes that organize fat storage, and turn them off. So if you think about those two things, those essential fats, make sure that your metabolism kicks up and works really efficiently and that you don't store fat as efficiently. So when people start consuming these correct fats, they suddenly have more energy. Number one, because they mitochondria is now functioning optimally, their metabolism is working faster, it deals with cravings, because your cravings are reduced when you've got these the right amount of these fats. And also you don't store fat as efficiently. So the function of these fats are came upon them. And they function in the body kind of by accident, because I was looking at the functioning in the brain. And I thought, Wow, we need these in our brain. And then I realized when I looked at more and more of the research, we need them every way. It's just that they lack in the brain is very, very noticeable when people look at brain function and brain development, but really, we need them everywhere. And as I said 95% of the population is deficient in these fats and oils. So that's a huge challenge because most of the fats that are available to us, you know, in those golden aisles at the supermarkets, most of those facts are unfortunately omega six fats, which are good if they're not processed, but the ones in the golden isles are pro syst harshly. And when those oils are processed, they are unfortunately filled with trans fats and other damaging fats. So you're getting the Omega six you need, but you're also getting damaged fats. And then you're not getting the omega three that you need to go with the Omega six, because the ratio between these two essential fats is critically important, we need more of the omega three than the Omega six, because the omega three is more involved in our metabolically active organs like our brain, our heart, our adrenal glands, and our reproductive organs. And omega six has other roles to play. But because of its molecular structure, it's not as active in those other metabolically active organs. So just to go back for a moment, what most people have in their diets today is lots and lots of omega six, because that is used for fried food. It's used, you know, for salad dressings, it's used for making, you know, biscuits and cakes, because that's what people have gotten used to using. And people have not enough omega three. So it's a complex conversation when I give a lecture on fats and all the tests over three hours. So I'm giving you the Cliff's notes here, you know, just the the base summary, but it's extremely important for people to understand that these essential effects are critical for us to thrive. So what are some sorry, Terry 21:27 what are some examples of omega three? Delia 21:33 theory, there's some great examples of omega three, flax seeds are high in omega three as our chia seeds. And green leafy vegetables are also high in omega three. And these are the plant forms of omega three, when most people speak about omega three, they speak about fish oil. And fish oil contains d, h, a and EPA, which if you can think about it this way, they are derivatives of the plant based forms. So the body gets the plant based forms and then converts them into DHS and EPA. Or if you eat cold water, fish, or use solar fish oil tablets, you get the DOJ and the EPA directly. But it is not a good choice to do that. Because that fish oil has to be processed at very, very high temperatures, to be able to get the heavy metals, the PCBs, all the other toxins that the fish now contain out of them. And the best and the cheapest way to get those toxins out of the fish oil is to heat that all up to a very high temperature. But this is the sticky part with omega six and omega three oils that do not like light, heat and oxygen. So the minute they exposed to the to those elements, they start degrading. And then they will have things like trans fats and polymerized fats and sacklers fats inside them. So when people swallow fish oil, they're not aware of the fact that although the fish oil manufacturer will say on the bottle, triple refined, and the user will think that's great, nothing bad in it, they don't realize that sneakily unfortunately, those products now contain other damaged compounds, because of the harsh processing. So that's a little bit complicated for people to get their head around. But the bottom line is this, if you consume enough of the plant based forms of omega three and omega six, which I'll say where they found in a moment, if you can consume enough of those plant based forms, and you have enough vitamin C, B, three B six, zinc and magnesium in your diet, then the body naturally knows how much of that plant based form to convert into the DHS and the EPA, it will do it automatically. It's been doing it since the beginning of time. And it can still do that. But visual manufacturers tell people Oh no, it can't do that. It only does it add between 2% and 5%. But that's actually the percentage that the body wants to make. In in each go if I can put it that way, because then it's fresh, and it uses it where it needs to use it. If any body that's listening, and maybe either of you had ever gone into hospital, what I now ask people is are you on any supplements, or any of them maybe fish oil, and if that's the case, it's a problem, because if people are on fish oil, they can bleed out, because it makes your blood so thin because I've got too much THC and epi in them. But if you have plant forms, then your body knows how much to make and how much you know is required. So that's quite a long answer. I'm sorry. Roy Barker 24:58 No, no that just um Because we probably over supplement and I know I take, you know quite a bit of fish oil every day. So I'm just going to, after we get through, run over to the cabinet and throw that in the trash and be done with it, wow. But Terry 25:11 we also, I mean, if we do smoothies and we try to we try to do more of them, we do add flaxseed and chia and spinach, or kale. Roy Barker 25:21 And I think to reinforce your message, I don't want to jump ahead of you. But this just gets back to the fact that we just talked about wanting to take a pill to cure thing. So yeah, we want to take a pill to cure all of our deficiencies in our poor eating habits. And so instead, let's get back to the basics and eat a good well rounded diet. And, you know, the other thing I think that really helps us is choosing a, an app to track this stuff for you. And I'll let you comment on this. But you know, there's an app that you can put all this in, that'll tell you the macronutrients and the one that we use actually has at the bottom, there's like four or five different combinations, the omega three and omega six just happens to be one and it's got a little dial, they'll tell you too much three too much snakes, you know, and it tries to put you right in the middle. Delia 26:16 I think Yeah, there were a few things just to mention there, Roy, I think we do actually need to supplement three and omega six we do. And I discovered the supplement that I recommend to people and that we've been using for 25 years 25 years ago. So it's a supplement that combines the plant forms of omega three and omega six in the right ratio that's in the favor of two to one favor of omega three. But it's actually processed in a factory that Michael actually went and had a look at, that makes sure that light heat and oxygen don't damage the oils. So it's, in other words, it's made with health in mind, not profit in mind, right. And it's a fantastic product and are recommended to people you know, when I stand in front of an audience or I do a workshop, I actually get them to taste this product. So I do believe in supplementation, but evidence based supplementation. And because I know how to read labels, I know what's a good product and what isn't, and also how it's made, specifically the fats and oils. So that is definitely important. As far as an app goes, if people find that an app supports them, in terms of the micronutrients and macronutrients and how much they're consuming, then I think it's a wonderful tool to use. But if you don't have time, and you're not bothered to do that, when you eat a plant based diet, which I know we'll touch on in a little while, again, Roy, when we eat mostly a plant based diet, you know, what is our q? r Q is how we feel, if we satisfied after a meal, if we have enough energy, you know, to get through a day, and we feel sharp and clear. If our weight is the way that we wanted to be. And if the way we eating is sustainable, then that's a way to know that you're getting all your macronutrients and your macronutrients, so an app can help you to get to that place. But maybe it isn't the thing to rely on forever. Yeah. Because the way we feel physically and mentally should be the best guide to how well we are feeding ourselves and moving and meditating and supporting ourselves in other ways. I think, you know, technology can definitely support us. But I think relying on technology, because I know somebody, for example, who's got this little thing that she puts on her arm. And it will tell her when her body battery is running low. So she'll wake up in the morning. And she also obviously didn't sleep well, because my body battery isn't isn't well, and I'll say to bed, how do you feel like you slept? How do you feel, this person can no longer distinguish between how she really feels, and what her little device is telling her. So I just warn people, you know, that's just the psychology of technology, that it can sometimes override our own common sense. And that's something that we need to guard against. I mean, just for example, in winter, we want to eat more comforting foods, that would seem to be more fattening. But then when summer comes, we dropped those foods and we may drop a kilo or two, and that's perfectly fine as well. So I think we just need to keep the balance there between you know, is technology serving us or how do we actually feel because I think ultimately that's the thing that really matters the most? Roy Barker 29:31 Yeah. So back to the omega threes and sick that the plant based supplement you were talking about is that easy to find. Is that something that or do we have to look hard for it or how could we acquire them? What is it Delia 29:45 it's not hard to find at all you'll find that in any home health food store or any sprouts store. I hope I'm using that name correctly. I think there is a sprouts in America and it will be in the refrigerated section so it will be in the fridge It will be kept cold, it's in a dark box, it's in a dark bottle. And it's nitrogen flushed, which means that nitrogen is put into the bottle before the oil is put into it. So there's no oxidation that happens to that product at all. And it's a product that I'm very happy to recommend. And I'll give you the details. So you can put them in the show notes. Roy Barker 30:20 Yeah, Yeah, that'd be great. Okay, yeah, cuz we're in because, you know, we need to, if this fish oil is probably not suiting us, but may actually be, you know, damaging to us, we need to quit doing that. We'll switch over to this so good. Anyway, sorry. Before we move too far from this, too, I want to talk about the fats, the low fat, because, you know, my career has mostly been dealing with the elderly in some manner. And so, you know, we had Alzheimer's has gone off the scale, I think we read the other day, 6 million Americans are suffering from some form. And there was a study, it was one. One person, it's not a study, one person tried this, they, they they ended up doing some longitudinal studies that I haven't really heard results. It hasn't been that long, though, since this happened. But anyway, so there's a test for Alzheimer's, it's the clock test, basically, you draw a circle on a piece of paper, the person you are testing puts is supposed to number one through 12, around the outer parts. And typically, what you will see with Alzheimer's patients is the numbers will be either backwards or they'll be crazy. This one person that we're talking about in Florida, have his numbers are all down around the six, everything was just all piled down there. So his wife, I don't know, I don't remember the backstory. But somehow she started feeding him one, tape mill spoonful of coconut oil three times a day. Now you have to be careful because it's hot klore. But you know, he had other issues. So they did it. And within about six weeks, he was able to get pretty dang close with this clock face. And so anyway, made me think, was this low fat craze that we had in the 70s. And in the 80s, some root cause of what we're seeing now, and I've read some research and, and it feels like that it was, you know, nobody can be totally conclusive. But I think that they felt evidentiary wise that there's a pretty good linkage between that and I can, I don't want to take up a lot of time talking about that. But I feel like it's important because it gets back to this thing. decisions that we make today can catch up with us in 20 3040 years in ways that we really never thought possible. Delia 32:52 Absolutely. Right. And it's a very good point. And I'm glad you brought this up. Because the truth of the matter is a Brian that is the product of the rock cons effect, will end up becoming unable to function optimally. So the low fat diet was put into place by researchers who didn't understand the complexity of fats and oils in the diet, which is the most complex aspect of nutrition, we can speak to the fact that the coconut oil helped, because obviously, his brain was not incapable of using carbohydrates as a source of energy, which is the brain's natural and preferred source of energy. But if the neurons become incapable of using that form of energy, the body can actually convert saturated fat from, for example, coconut oil into something called ketones, which the brain can use as a source of energy. So this is something that researchers are getting more involved in to find out if that actually works for the brain that is not functioning well like a dementia brain. And they're finding that it is the case, it seems to be the tendency, but it's only when the brain becomes incapable of using carbohydrates that that seems to be useful or otherwise, if the whole body goes into keto Genesis, then the brain is forced to use ketones as a form of energy, whether that's sustainable or not. There is no evidence to support that, whether it's good for the body long term, some danger points there as well. So yes, helpful when the brain is already degraded, not as a lifetime sustainable option. Roy Barker 34:27 Okay. Yeah, look, I don't want to derail you if you are kind of, you know, going in order, but that kind of transitions nicely into, you know, the keto and keto genix and then Leo and yeah, and then also, you know, plant based, it's like, there's so much stuff swirling out there. And, you know, I'll just keep it brief, but give you my story. You know, a few years ago, I did the I didn't really do strict keto. I just tried to really fight to keep my carbs. About 40 a day 40 to 60 was the range that, you know, my doctor had told me to stay in. And, you know, I had pretty good luck with it. But then after a while, and I never really got into the, the ketogenesis part. But after a while I heard, you know, bad things that, that so much protein can be hard on you. And the other thing I think it was worth mentioning is that you, it's not like a protein fest just eat all you want, because you have to watch your limits, because from what I've heard, the body is smart enough, after a while, if it doesn't have the carbs, that it will start turning proteins into glucose or you know, something like that, then that makes it hard on your organs as well. So again, we just get back to, you know, all the stuff that's out there, we are doing more plant based, which means for us, we can still eat meat, we just limit that meat and try to you know, make sure we're getting proteins from our beans and things like that. And, you know, then we heard a story about us being omnivores, you know, like, the carnivores have sharp teeth, and a shorter or longer digestive system. True plant based animals have different teeth, and either the longer shorter, so we are truly from what I've heard, you know, we're truly somewhere in the middle. But again, it's there's so much information on the keto. There's information on both sides. So help us help help us sort that sort all this stuff out. Delia 36:47 It's a really interesting thing. Because the longer that I've been in this field, the more I see, you know, all these different dietary protocols come out and people swear, this is the one for me, and this is the one for me. So I'm always curious, firstly, about the kind of personality that looks at this Doc, because Okay, this one is going to work. So we can unpack that a little bit later, maybe. But the bottom line is this, the only evidence based diet that has been examined in enough detail and depth to show its long term sustainable efficacy, in terms of health, physical and mental is the Mediterranean diet. That's the only diet that has been studied. Now that's a diet that is very much plant based. And then with meat on top of it. Okay, so that's the first thing to keep in mind. The second thing to keep in mind with all these different approaches, and for example, we can take keto and paleo as the examples. They are cutting out major food groups. So what some people have done, they've tweaked them to make them a little bit better in some ways. But let's take paleo first, for example. You know, the Paleo people will tell you that we used to live on meat in the olden days when we ran across the savanna and killed animals with glee and reckless abandon. The truth of the matter is that that's not the case. We actually used to hunt animals in small groups, not all the time, because hunting animals was hard work. And it also was dangerous. If someone got hurt, they didn't quickly have a penicillin injection to give them and say, Hey, make you right now. So hunting, wasn't this, this glorified wonderful activity that was continuously engaged in, we did eat meat, which is why we've evolved to need b 12, and iron and zinc, which comes from animal products. But we did not live on them continuously. Maybe some groups of people did, but then they were deficient in many nutrients that we that they weren't consuming at that point in time. So you know, the Paleo people will cherry pick research to support their view, but it doesn't. It isn't supported long term with solid robust evidence. The second thing about a ketogenic diet, once again, the focus is on fat, a lot of its saturated fat, unless it's tweaked, it doesn't contain essential fats. And you know, we've just discussed how essential essential fats are because we have to get them from our diet, our body can't make them. So that's the first thing about the ketogenic diet. The second thing about the ketogenic diet is that it does put extra stress on the body's organs. And that is just because it's not a natural way for us to eat. Whenever we eat in a way that isn't natural. There will be some kind of fallout from a physiological perspective, because the body has to not adjust itself. Things like gluconeogenesis ketogenesis, all these things have to be adjusted. So now the body has to work differently. So under certain circumstances, the ketogenic diet is useful for type two diabetes and for cognitive decline. Those are the two top of mind But for the rest of the population, if you can't lose weight following mostly a Mediterranean style diet, then you're going to be compromising your body in some way. And also brain function. Because the Mediterranean diet, as I said, is also been studied in relation to mental health. And it's very robust that that kind of diet really support mental well being. So that's just those two diets. Another one that a lot of people are now trying and and people are talking a lot about is intermittent fasting. Now, intermittent fasting is interesting, because there's more of a focus on when not to eat, versus what to eat. Once again, you know, throwing the baby away with the bathwater in a sense, because if your focus is entirely on when not to eat, and you're eating, whatever, in the time that you can eat, we're still not going to be getting the nutrients that you need. So some people have tweaked that diet. And I suppose in a sense, I'm one of those people because ask are eating at seven o'clock at night latest, and then I'll only eat at seven o'clock the next morning or a little later. So that gives me a good 12 hours of not eating. And that is probably normal. Considering the way we evolved, some people want to stretch that to 14 or 15 hours, I said, that's fine. However, you also have to be considering what you eating. And if you're very stressed, it can actually add more stress to your life. Because when your body registers that it's hungry, it's actually your brain registering, you actually increase cortisol. And we don't want to be doing that because cortisol does a lot of negative things in the body and brain. So I'll always suggest to people, if they're looking at doing intermittent fasting, do it, do it overnight for the 12 hours, because that gives your gut a wonderful break, which it needs from constantly working. But try not to stretch it much longer than that if you're experiencing chronic stress. Terry 41:55 So that's a little summary of the main diets and the pitfalls. And that's what I mean, we did intermittent fasting, where we would eat at 12pm, we wouldn't eat in the morning, we would eat at 12pm 7pm. And then we wouldn't eat again until 12pm the next day. So 12 and seven. Roy Barker 42:16 The thing about that though, is it breakfast is, you know, one of my meals that I really like and the other thing that we started kind of tweaking that was doing, you know, like a smoothie in the morning and you know, with the kale or spinach and then protein powder and the flax seed and you know, it's a healthy one, but I just feel like I need something in the morning. Delia 42:41 Well, you're not unusual because it is basically a fast that your body has been under all night, you know, and for most people blood glucose dips in the morning. And when your blood glucose dips, it sends a saw a signal, you know, your brain says Hold on a second food is required, you know, you have been without food for a long time, you need to get blood glucose up. So that feeling partly habit, but very much based on the physiology that you experience when you get up in the morning. So what are you doing now? How have you How have you adjusted that? Are you having your smoothie and then eating at 12? Roy Barker 43:16 Yes, yeah, typically, that's it's been a lot. It's been a rough couple of weeks. Terry 43:22 And see, always have these two and really don't look, I think, Roy Barker 43:28 right now I was just gonna say that, you know that I think what I would like to do is have that smoothie in the morning, you know, eat at 12 eat at five, six or seven and then not eat again to the next morning because, again, it's my I think it's my one of my downfalls is not only the food I eat, but wanting to eat at nine or 10 o'clock at night, you know, and then go to bed. And yeah, eat bad stuff at nine or 10 at night. Delia 43:53 No, they there are a few things just just to comment on that. The first thing is that a lot of people want to snack in the evening, and that becomes a habit. And so you have to work on not not doing that. However, when your blood glucose is more stable and you have enough of the essential effects your cravings will reduce, because they've done some research and I know only wrote in research, but it's very optimistic in relation to if we can translate it. When rats are the product of essential fats, they need more sweet foods in their diet, they crave more sweet foods, but when they've got enough essential fatty acids they don't so that's the one thing to keep in mind. So that may shift when you start consuming the right essential fatty because you won't have the your blood glucose will be more stable firstly and your cravings will be reduced. The second thing that you mentioned you know laughingly about don't ask what we're doing now. I think one of the things that happens to people and I see it and it disturbs me is because you know they start a particular way of eating and then they want to stick to that all the time. And when they don't they get distressed and they go back to the way they used to eat. And I always encourage people to Don't, don't do that. Just look at how far you've come. And you know, you might have a day or a week or 10 days where things just go pear shaped, we all know that love can do that to us, the longer we live, the more we are aware of that. And we just have to have some compassion and some kindness, you know, so I'm not eating the way I'm really wanting to eat, but I'm getting back to it. And these are all the things that I've already included that are different and better. And pat on the back for me. I see a lot of people that that really are too hard on themselves. And yeah, so that's just a thought, Yeah. Can Terry 45:39 you just kind of want to throw up your hands and say, Okay, well, I'm, I haven't eaten how I wanted to for a week, two weeks, whatever. And then it's like, I can't do it, I can sustain it. Roy Barker 45:51 And it's funny, like, I used to have a lot of willpower, but seemed like, older age, I don't know if it's because you you just the way that you've survived, and it's like I deserve it, or it's a reward. But it's like, man, I used to have a lot of willpower to stay away from that stuff. And now I mean, not so much it doesn't even take bamboo shoots under the finger. Now before I start, like a I must I have that candy bar. Delia 46:18 It's a, it's a really good point, right, because I think one of the reasons people snack at night is because of something called decision fatigue. And decision fatigue is something that happens in the brain as the day progresses. So you know, you mentioned willpower, there's actually quite a lot of interesting research about willpower and decision fatigue. So it's like when you wake up in the morning, you've got a lot of willpower. So I always suggest to people, if you want to start a new habit started in the morning, because your brain is still fresh. as the day progresses, your brain loses energy, and becomes less capable of making decisions that serve you. So for example, the prefrontal cortex is like the CEO of the brain, and it's the one in charge. But it runs out of energy very much earlier in the day, then the rest of the brain because he doesn't have any automatic workarounds. And this is the inhibitory part of the brain. This is a brain that will say, Roy, don't open that cupboard, because what's in there isn't good for you. But by eight o'clock at night, it's offline, it's not functioning. So then the brain does something interesting. It does one of two things. In fact, it does a knee jerk activity or behavior. So that's just habitual, just does it because it's a habit. So that's probably what's happening to you. The other thing it does, it does nothing. It just stops. And that happens in certain circumstances where cognitive capacity is required, but not in situations where your habit is being, you know, fulfilled. So that's something to keep in mind you calling it willpower, but it's actually something to do with the brain running out of energy. Because this is not just the most sophisticated part of the brain, the PFC, it's also the most energy demanding part of the brain, so it runs out of energy earlier in the day. So you need to, there are a few things you can do, you can actually get rid of everything that's in that cupboard that's bad. and replace it with some things that still taste really yummy with the right mouthfeel. So there must have fat in them, they must have some sweetness in them, and they must have a bit of protein in them. Because if you can fall for full bet, your mouthfeel is still satisfied, but you know, psychologically, you're not eating the bad stuff anymore. And then slowly over time, you can wean yourself from even net, but having the bad cupboard at 9pm at night is not a good Roy Barker 48:43 now, it's definitely not I know him took a little break there Terry 49:00 too much for our lightning. Roy Barker 49:04 I think it's our we're okay, I'm holding that word. Okay, cuz I can still see you. We're gonna just talk, talk amongst ourselves for just to give you a chance to come back. There, she went off, maybe she'll come back. Well, that's good to know. So we need to, we're gonna, when we get offline, we're gonna sit down and restructure, and we're gonna Terry 49:24 clean out the pantry. Well, Roy Barker 49:26 I'm not sure about that. But we need to look at some things that we do and maybe try to rearrange again, something that's no easier. We need to really check these. This omega three and omega six. Oh Terry 49:39 my gosh, I wanted rid of definitely want to get that. Oh, there she is. Something happened. Roy Barker 49:46 Yeah, that's okay. We were just talking amongst ourselves. And there you are. Well, so just one more thing. We're running away long. I know. Appreciate your time. You've just Terry 49:58 sat in line again. Yeah. We'll do this in Roy Barker 50:00 section but just like for somebody like myself, I guess, you know, with type two diabetic and with my with it being harder of late harder to control or get it to where I need it to be maybe better to make just a little bit of a shift to the keto for a while in order to get that down and then start transitioning back to more of the Mediterranean diet, would that be a sensible plan, Delia 50:27 I think the first thing that I would do is just suggest you get the right essential fatty acids. So make sure you get the product and you start using that every day. If you feel a little bit nauseas in the beginning, just cut back a little bit because the liver still needs to incorporate all those fat molecules to be able to help it function optimally. So you can chat to me about that and I'll support you through that phase. Okay, the second thing to keep in mind is just cut back on the starches. So I know that starches are very satisfying, and they give us good mouthfeel. But just cut back on the starches a little bit, especially the watch starches. So don't have rice don't have white potatoes, but rather have some mullite or have some keen Wah and have sweet potatoes. And then make up the bulk of your food with things like broccoli, things like cauliflower, green leaves, lots of lovely dressings, nuts and seeds. In that way, you'll be getting much more of a of the effects with your diet. And when you do have meat, have it with lots of greens as well. If you have some eggs, have it with lots of greens. Try and focus more on that if you go towards the ketogenic, then what happens is you're going to get many more saturated fats. And the more saturated fats you eat, the more essential fats you've got to eat. So let's just focus on the essential facts for the next couple of weeks. If you do that, you'll find your your cravings will definitely go down your blood glucose will become more stable. Okay, there are a few things that may happen, you may suddenly feel that you've actually got some more energy. So don't take the oil at night. rather take it you know, with your smoothie and for lunch. And then you may just feel like you actually want to exercise a little bit more. And you're you thinking a little bit more clearly. I also say to people that they just need to keep in mind that those fats work from the inside out. So you will, your brain, your heart, you know your digestive system, your liver, your lungs, all of those organs, your adrenal glands, reproductive organs are going to get those essential fat first, and they're going to work their way out to your to your skin. So when your skin starts feeling smooth, and it starts feeling well lubricated and moist, and you don't need anything to keep your skin moist, then you know you've got those fats throughout your whole body. But that can happen in 18 months to three years. So we're not let's not jump ahead. It's a process that you know, just just think about, we've got all these trillions and trillions of cells, all of those little membranes need to now be become full of these good fats. Roy Barker 53:08 Okay, awesome. And that I don't want to get Michael in trouble. But you know, when we when we were showing him around town, we have to say that we we said, Look, you need to try some desserts. And he he actually said, that's fine. You need to live it up right now. Because when you talk to Delia, when she gets over here, especially if things are going to be changing for you a whole lot. So Terry 53:33 he said You and I were going to be Delia 53:38 a look and he mustn't act like he's deprived. I'll make the best chocolate ice cream. Oh, oh my god, salted peanut butter. Ah, good into it. And I'm making mean chocolate mousse as well. And he's not a deprived person in any way, shape, or form. But I've just learned to tweak it. So Terry, I'm going to be very excited to get into the kitchen and we can do stuff together. Terry 54:01 I am so there. I'm there already. Roy Barker 54:05 Well, Delia, we appreciate your time. I know we've ran way long, but it's just such a good conversation. And it's just so many good facts that you know, trying to get all this sorted out with all the information that's out there. You know, like you said, people, you can find research to support just about anything, but you got to take back the whole body of research. They can chew Yeah, you got to take everything so it's good to get to know we're gonna go get this the omegas tomorrow, and we'll get on that and see. Cuz I would definitely love to be thinking clear and love to have more energy, that's for sure. make me happy. Delia 54:44 It's waiting for you trust me, it will come. Roy Barker 54:46 Okay. All right. Well, before we go do a couple things. For me. First off, what is a habit or a tool that you use every day? Something that you feel adds a lot of value to your life. Either personal or professional? Delia 55:03 That's a really good question. I can think. I think there's certain things that I do every day that have become habits, okay. One of them is that I never look at my email or social media before I had my breakfast. Okay. So for me, you know, with Marco being, you know, in Austin now, say good morning to him, because it's his afternoon. Yeah. And then I'll send him a screenshot of how chilly it is. Yeah. And then he'll send me a screenshot of how chilly it is there. But, but generally speaking, I don't actually look at MMA, I don't look at any email, nothing. So I don't get my brain busy thinking about other stuff. The other thing that I do is I go for a walk at four o'clock every day, most days. It's about a 45 minute walk, I get my blood nasally up. And I don't listen to podcasts or anything else. I just walk and had like a silent meditation. That's something that I'll also do. So those are two things. And I think some of the things that are now do have become habits, but I don't think of them as habits anymore. So I can't really think of, of anything else that I do. Um, that's a good question. Roy Barker 56:16 Well, we're good habit collectors anyway, but then, you know, also, we just like to put things out there that may resonate with people, and I'm going to try that because, you know, I'll usually listen to music Well, if it's me and Terry, we talk if it's just me, I usually have music or podcast go and so I think that may be something I could tweak for myself is to just use that for some meditation and you know, just listen to nature and take, give my brain a break, you know, that would Terry 56:45 do your meditation there. And and we have to wrangle the dogs. Apparently, they're they're wanting to get in on this one. Delia 56:53 Actually, I posted on my Instagram today about that thing about silence and the brain. But my mum's just mentioned to me water, that's something else that I'll make a habit of having every single day. Sometimes what I do when I've got work to do, and I've got a specific project that I'm busy with, I'll set my timer, not my phone time, because my phone is going off on set an old old fashioned Tomic to 15 minutes, and I'll work solidly for 15 minutes, and then for 10 minutes, I'll take a break, then I'll come back, and I'll set it for another 15 minutes. And that's how I get through projects that really need focus and concentration. So that's another habit. Roy Barker 57:29 Yeah, I like that. I've heard that before. That way you can set that block out. It's not like you're saying, Hey, I'm never gonna answer my cell phone or my emails, but you've got a certain 10 minute window to do that. And that way you can focus on other stuff. Yeah, I do like that. Yes. All right, well, we'll go check out the blog, because they, you know that the other thing about losing the noise, is that's where our creative spot is, when we just can not have to be thinking about problems solving problems or things, we can just throw an Agia be with ourselves for a few minutes. Delia 58:04 Absolutely, that's, that's part of the time that the prefrontal cortex can actually access all of our knowledge and our skills to come up with creative solutions. We're giving it a break, we're not giving it information that is going to sort through it then goes internally to find that creativity, which is fantastic point. Excellent. Roy Barker 58:25 All right. Well, good enough, Terry do you have so I Delia 58:26 was gonna I just wanted to make sure that we mentioned the names of your books, you want to go ahead and do that, that feed your brain? Yes. The first book is called feed your brain seven steps to a lighter, brighter you. And it does have some recipes in it. But it's basically the science of feeding your brain. So when people really want to know how it works, that's the book that they buy. My second book takes that science into my kitchen. And that's called feed your brain the cookbook. So that's the book that's got the decadent chocolate ice cream and source and the desserts. And you know, I use oils responsibly in that book without heating them. And I teach people how to do that. So those are the two books. Thanks for asking Terry. Roy Barker 59:14 Yeah, you bet. So tell people how they can reach out and you know, how if how they could work with Who do you work with? What can you do to help them and of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you. Delia 59:28 People can find me at my blog, which is triple w.lby.life, which stands for lighter brighter you.life. They can find me on Instagram under the same name, and on Facebook, under the same name and on LinkedIn as Dr. Delia McCabe. They can also go to my blog and go and opt in to my newsletter that I send out every month or so about all sorts of different interesting things that are come across from a cognitive and nutritional perspective. And that way they can stay in communication with me. And I'm always giving little gifts like my favorite recipes and a little video about how to manage stress. So they get a lot of fun fun stuff when they subscribe. Roy Barker 1:00:10 Okay, awesome. We'll go check that out. I want to be a subscriber. Yeah, we Terry 1:00:13 didn't even get to touch on stress. I was so interested to talk about that, too. But well, yeah, we haven't spoken about that next time. Roy Barker 1:00:20 We're holding that back for episode number two. That's right. We're gonna we're gonna get her to promise to come back and talk to us again. That way we could talk about female stress. I think that was the one that Southern was interesting, too. So thank you so much. Y'all go check Dr. Delia, you're out and see what she has to say sign up for the blog. It's a lot of great information. And we appreciate it very much. Got some things we're going to work on this week, already talked about while you were gone. We talked about we're gonna get together after this call, get our planning down and get on a good place. All right. Delia 1:00:56 Thank you so much for the invite. I really appreciate that. Terry 1:01:01 Saying so much. Roy Barker 1:01:03 So that's gonna do it for us. Again, I'm your host growing and carry and you can find us at www.feeding fatty.com we're on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify, all the major social media platforms probably spend more time on Instagram than any so please reach out if you're professional in this area. If you have a good story to tell, reach out. We'd love to hear it and get you on a future episode. The there will be a video of this interview that goes up when it goes live as well. 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Visualize Your Journey Through Life, It's The Key To Success with Halle Eavelyn One of the hardest things I ever see is the ability to be present. We wanted to take that magic pill and be I'm thin. And we're done. It just it does not work like that. The reason is that it isn't the destination in the first place. It's a journey. The reason you stay present in every moment is that you're not trying to get anywhere, you're just are and are is the destination. About Halle I was an atheist until I went to Egypt the first time, and then, literally, my life changed in one breath. And that's the truth – we are all one breath away from enlightenment; the question is: Which breath? So I knew if I could get you to a place of letting go, of releasing the resistance and the tight hold you have on the controls of your life (that thing that our egos tell us is the only thing keeping us sane), you could get on the path of your own best journey in your business and your life. When I first started using the tools I had been taught on my own “seeker's quest,” I began to be guided in that work, too. It's like your soul talks to my soul and tells me what to say that gives you the most transformation. For a long time, I didn't fully trust that guidance, because (perhaps like you) I'm so logical, and I want to be able to SEE it to believe it, but it's become second nature to me now, so I no longer question how, I am just fully in gratitude that I hear the answers you need to shift. However we work together, I'm looking forward to sharing the next part of your journey with you. www.halleeavelyn.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Visualize Your Journey Through Life, It's The Key To Success with Halle Eavelyn Tue, 6/15 12:03PM • 55:08 SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, energy, feel, terry, life, intention, hands, roy, long, podcast, talk, moved, accomplish, book, empowered, thought, love, eat, set, body SPEAKERS Halle, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:23 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy, this is Terry. And so we are podcast we are journaling my progress, sometimes progress sometimes regress through this wellness in. No when we talk about wellness, we talk about a lot of things its diet not being on a diet, but what we eat our exercise our mindset, sleeping, I mean it's everything water intake, all of these things combined. And so even though we are chronicling my journey, Terry is my trusty sidekick and helper. Terry 01:00 And a little bit about me to see. Roy Barker 01:05 We also do have professionals that come from time to time to help us with these things to show us, give us some good feedback heads up, you know, give us some new things to think about and today is no different. Terry, I'll let you introduce, Terry 01:17 we have been looking forward to this one with Holly Evelyn. She is a transformational coach, a speaker and a writer who helps people break out of their old patterns so they can live their best lives. And Holly, I'm gonna let you go more into detail. I'd rather hear you discuss your background and, and all of that, and welcome so much to the show. Halle 01:39 Thank you, thank you so much. I have just so enjoyed the little bit that I've gotten to know you both. And I think that your your journey into your own, you know, deeper versions of yourselves and like bigger versions of yourselves not physically, but emotionally and and mentally is, is so admirable. I think there's a lot of people who are waking up now to the idea of, you know, it's time to look for something more than just, you know, let me get married, get a great job, have kids grow old and die. Not that there's anything wrong with that. However it is it can be bigger, and you guys are on that arc. And I really loved that. And I just wanted to mention that right up front. Roy Barker 02:22 Well, thank you. Yeah, it's, it's it's exciting. I mean, you know, I'm an old dog trying to learn some new tricks. It's it's kind of a fun journey. Some things work, some things stick. But, you know, we're finding a lot of great things. Terry 02:35 Yeah. And even though I mean, some people start out, trying to work on the physical aspect. And man, it goes so much deeper than that. It's just all this inner work. And then you're like, Oh, my gosh, I don't want to know that about myself. I don't want to know everything you find out. It's all nuts. But let's say it's Halle 02:56 okay. Well, I was gonna say it's really what you're saying is is correct what it's like, while you're in what I call like, in the swim, right? So when you're in that, that primordial soup of I don't want to look at these ugly places in myself. And I'm not talking about like, you know, I don't like my thighs. I'm talking about like, the ugly places like in our internal experience, you can feel like crap as you're going through it. You know, I was on with a client earlier today. And she was saying to me, like, I know it's growth. But it really is just annoying my energy. And I totally get that. It's like, it's no fun when you're in the swim. However, when you get to the other side of it, you know, and I'll tell at least one personal story that I can think of that will we'll talk about that specifically. But when you're on the other side of it, it's like, Oh, thank goodness, I did that. Oh, I'm so grateful that I went through that and Oh, the me that I am now is so much better, and so much braver and so much more capable of handling all that comes my way on a daily basis. And and then that makes a big difference too. Roy Barker 04:03 And I think it's good to reminder about that about handling things and changing. It doesn't happen overnight, as much as we wish that it would that, you know it's a progress. And I think you said like look into the future that if I keep this mindful practice, it gets better day in day, every day that I practice it, it just gets better and being present Terry 04:23 is so important. Just being able to feel it and be there in the moment. Halle 04:31 Yeah, and let's talk about that for a second, Terry, because in my experience, that's one of the hardest things I ever see with clients is their ability to be present. So first of all, did you know that goldfish is have attention spans longer than we do? goldfish his attention span is nine seconds and hours over the last, you know, 20 years or whatever. No surprise has shortened from 12 seconds to eight and the internet attention span Like how long you can focus on something on the internet without distraction is 3.8 seconds. So we're like, you know, you're we said earlier, like, we wanted to take that magic pill and like, Oh, I'm thin now lovely. And we're done. And seen. And it's just it does not work like that it does not work like that we say that it does. We hope that it does we want it to, but it doesn't work like that. And the reason is that it isn't the destination in the first place. It's a journey. And the reason you stay present in every moment is that you're not trying to get anywhere, you're just you just R and R is the destination. And that's really weird for people. Right? Roy Barker 05:43 It's tough because we are so focused on the finish line. And I think you know, and this applies to our health, wellness business, just life in general is that we could be so focused on the finish line that we miss all the great stuff in between. And then we get to the finish line and we feel very unsatisfied. I think because we missed all the stuff in between and it's it's kind of a hollow victory a lot of times. Halle 06:10 Okay, so my story about that is a little sad. I was standing at or sitting in a room filled with my entire family, my extended family, and my aunt and uncle who are no longer with us, we're standing on the Dyess being lauded for their 50th anniversary. And my aunt Shirley said, I look around this room. And I think Where did 50 years ago, I have these moments. I mean, they had plenty of money, they crossed the you know, the the Atlantic on the QE to multiple times, they lived in this stunning place in Corona Del Mar, like overlooking which some of the most expensive real estate in the United States overlooking the ocean, they raised three children they had like everyone that was in the room with me, my whole family was like, you know, like, mostly because of them. And my aunt was now the matriarch of the family. And yet, she's saying I can only remember a few of those moments. And in fact, a few years later, she ended up maybe 10 years later, she developed dementia. And by the time she died, she could only speak in what we called Word salad, which was complete gibberish that had like cadences, that new sound that sounded familiar. And I remember at that age, just really looking at her and listening to her and it hit me like a ton of bricks, I will not live my life like that. I do not want to look back over 50 years. So I'm going to give your listeners a good tool. So we didn't even talk about all of this, but I'm a transformational coach. Right. My job is to help people transform their lives and not just transform their lives. But you know, when you stop worrying about food, clothing and shelter, you can start thinking about art. It's what I call the Renaissance theory. And so when you're busy saying how do I feed my family? or will there be enough this you can't focus on creating masterpieces I believe that that's why the Renaissance is so beautiful, because the the the work has come down to us as as so a beautiful and enduring and magnificent is that the artists didn't have to worry about where their money was coming from it was fully funded by people who had more money than they knew what to do with. Okay, so how does that translate into our lives, when you get the stuff out of the way that is the worry, the doubt the fear, the uncertainty, the the the victimization of yourself the stories that you tell of your, you know, the failures that you've had. And when you stop all of that, and you move into the present moment, all of that goes away. Because in this present moment, right now, right now, all our needs are met, right? And now, and now. And now and it's our job moment to moment to be in that present. So a good tool for this when you're just like crazy, crazy busy, and you're like oh my gosh, I can't like nothing's going right, what can I do? Pause and just take set the intention of being centered, and what is being centered. It's grounding yourself with your feet firmly on the floor. It's aligning your spine and long column with your neck and your head right over the top of your spine. It's moving your posture, even if you're still sitting so that your feet are firmly on the floor. And so that you're you're sitting erect and then you take three deep breaths and it will help if you breathe into your belly. A lot of people breathe into their chest and that's very shallow breathing. And I call this the breath of life because it when you move it down into your belly when your belly expands on the inhale and then releases Exhale, it changes, it floods your body with oxygen. And I believe that it literally can add years to your life to do this. So if you take those three deep belly breaths and set the intention that you are centered, and call your energy back from anywhere that it was before this now moment, you can spool it up using like thinking of it as like you're, you know, rolling it up like a ball of yarn, or my girlfriend likes to say, she wants to slurp it up like a strand of spaghetti. It doesn't matter what you do, it's just a momentary thing, where you're not thinking about the meeting you had that morning, or the fact that you have to pick your kid up in an hour or whatever, you're just bringing everything back to center. And when you do that it takes it took longer to describe it than it would to take to do it, believe me, it's really it's it takes exactly as long as those three deep breaths, and then you'll find, you're now present. And another way of getting present that's really easy is go from the outside to the inside. So you want to look like at the coffee cup that's in front of you, or the desk that's in front of you, or the cell phone that's sitting there. And you want to just notice without any judgement all of the things around you, and then begin to turn your attention inside, check in with your body. How does your stomach feel? How is your breathing? Does any do any parts feel out of alignment? Can you get them back into alignment, and then you'll be able to turn further within if you would like but going from that outside in is another way to help be present. And a third way is to literally stop and smell the flowers focus on one thing, a totally mundane moment, like how does that rose smell? or What does that book cover look like? Or whatever it is that is like right there in your face in that moment that can help you to stay present and four or five or six of those moments every day. You will not be like my aunt standing there going where did the last 50 years ago, you'll feel all 50 of them one moment at a time. Terry 12:17 Oh, that's great. Because I mean, I already feel that I already feel like where did all of that go? You know, we're just kind of getting Wait, I'm just getting up there. Roy always says, Yeah, she's not aging. I'm the one that's age. But now I already feel that, you know, we've we've got older parents that we're trying to you know, in that caretaking mode, not not living with them, but trying to get all the logistics down and all the family dynamics and all ever everybody's dealing with that that in a different way, you know? And we Yeah, I don't even know where was going with that. But you know, no, it's Halle 12:58 okay. My mother in law moved in, and my mother in law moved in in February, she's Cuban. And it's a really weird, you know, it's like this, these two. I mean, I'm, I'm Lucy right and in, in in I Love Lucy and my Cuban family is like, you know, the Ricky ricardos Desi Arnaz. And I'm just like, I mean, and I live in Miami now. And it's like, I feel like this, you know, fish out of water. But when my mother in law moved in, there's other responsibilities that come in, you know, we're never going to be able to take a fast walk ever again. Well, you know, until she passes, and by that time, I'll probably be slow. I know. So it's like you're you, you know, we have to spend an extra, like, if we tell her to be ready at noon, we really have to tell her to be ready at quarter till, because she will have rushed around to get ready earlier in the day. But now she's sitting and taking her time. And if you say to her, you know it's time to go, then there's the 15 minutes of the things that she forgot to do and now needs to take care of just like you have to kind of adjust for all of that stuff. And it can feel I know I've a lot of clients who are caretakers for elderly people. And it can feel like such a slog, and such a stressor. And my mother in law, by the way is the easiest human being in the world to have living with us. She's an amazing housemate. But but there are differences. There are nuances. You're not you know, you can't walk around naked anymore. You know, there's there's just situations that are a little bit different. And for people who are taking care of elderly parents, or also you know, if they're taking care of, of disabled children, it's the same thing. It's like an ongoing thing, where you're always the caregiver, and who is going to take care of you. And a lot of people gain a lot of weight during that time, because they're eating emotionally because it's the only solace that they have under those circumstances. Roy Barker 14:57 Yeah, the other thing I think, you know, kind of back a little bit in the conversation that we spend so much of our right this moment worrying about something in the future something in the past. And, you know, I, I will say that the science is pretty clear on the fact that our brains as complicated as awesome as they are, we can, you know, really deal with one thought at a time. And you know, when you're out to eat, if you're with somebody, you can either have a conversation and be focused with them, or you can be on your phone, but you can't be on your phone and be paying attention, or you get fragmented pieces. And so I think that's the other thing is that, you know, I feel like that's what makes our time go is that we're so future focused on, you know, I've got that report due next week. This is coming up. And another trick that I've kind of picked up over the years. Luckily, I learned this a long time ago, but it's just jot stuff down, because I don't have to be trying to retain it. And in the business world, there's a lot of people that you know, don't write list write list, and I think we have to do what helps us but always just don't feel like I have the worry and the stress, if I just get it down on paper, I can always go back and look at it instead of you know, instead of constantly playing it through your head, I got this at three, I got that if I got this tomorrow, write it down, you don't have to think about it again, just look at your paper. Halle 16:26 Yeah, so I have three different sets of things, I have my calendar, which will keep my meetings and stuff. But I also have a if you saw my desk right now you would laugh, I have this crazy set of post it notes just like out in the middle like covering my desk. And those post it notes, keep Top of Mind stuff that I need to do like now. And every couple days, I'm like sorting through the post it notes and I'll throw away the ones that are done. And then I do I have like, I have a whole set of notes on my phone. And I love keeping notes on my phone because I can talk into it. And that, you know, and all of these things, the value of them is what brings you peace of mind. So for example, let's say that the post it notes, which kind of make my desk look messy, was my desk in my office, so I can do whatever I want. But let's just say that, that I had been raised to keep a really clean desk and to keep you know, and you know, and that I believed that an unclean desk was the sign of an unclean mind. Right, that was my story that I told myself, then the very system that I've got that would work, I would be telling myself that I would be feeling guilty every single time or wrong making myself wrong every single time by my very system. So the question isn't what system do you have? It's how do you feel? You know, a lot of people are like, we're, you know, they're like, a lot of people are into procrastination, right? They're, they're like, they'll put everything off. And I accomplish a Okay, a crazy amount. I really do. Like every two weeks, I'm with my accountability partner. And the list that we send back and forth of everything we've done the previous two weeks looks like what wouldn't take a normal person two months, how does that happen? It happens because I love it. And I love doing it. But that acknowledgment that very acknowledgement by having an accountability partner, by choosing to list out all the things that I've done over the last two weeks, that is a reward in itself. And then I have this great system that I love, I call it the cycle of success, I'm going to share it with all your peeps right now, because this is good for all of this stuff. And it will actually kill procrastination. The system is you take your big old to do list because what you're talking about ROI is like it reminds me of that scene in Harry Potter where like Dumbledore takes the wand and he touches it to his forehead and the thoughts come out and go into the pensive. So that's what we're doing. We're taking the thoughts out, we're like sticking them in the iPhone, right? That's our magical technology. So when you do that, you end up with this list that's like this, and then that makes you feel like crap every day. You know, everybody I know who wants to accomplish a lot has a never ending to do list. So what do you do to fix that you create what I call the empowered to do list and the empowered to do list is exactly three items long. And the rules are, you have to be able to accomplish all of the items in a single day. So the tasks have to be broken down into small enough increments that they're like your wet your list might your to do list might say redo my website, which you're empowered to do list would say contact the graphic designer to have the logo redone for example, because that's something that's a phone call, you could do that in one day. And then the second rule is that it can only have three things on it at a time. And the third rule is that at least two of them have to do what I call move the business needle. means return on my phone calls, check all my emails and, you know, write up an idea that I had, none of those are moving your business forward in that moment, right? So it's not the mundane stuff. It's just like the stuff that you intend to do, because we tend to have way too much going on at the same time. And then we feel like we never get anything accomplished. So you check your three items off on the empowered to do list, which you can do in one day, because they're set up that the tasks are small enough, how do we eat the elephant one bite at a time. So we have elephant bites on our empower to do list and then at the bottom of the empowered to do list is one last item reward. And now you can take whatever it is you were doing to procrastinate. check Facebook, for a half an hour binge watch two episodes of the show that I'm like madly in love with, go have a walk in the park, whatever it was that you were procrastinating with. I had one guy play Minesweeper for an hour. That was what he was doing to procrastinate when he moved it to his empowered to do list. As his reward, he would like come in, get all three things done immediately, and then just play Minesweeper for an hour. And then you can rinse and repeat with the next three items or rock on with your day knowing that you've accomplished things, right. Terry 21:23 I remember hearing you talk about that on one of your podcast episodes. And I was like, I do I have I play this game two dots. It's mindless. Just I mean, yeah, right. laughs at me, but it helps. I don't know what I mean. It helps me kind of get my thoughts aligned sorta are in Halle 21:47 it, Terry? It's not that don't don't No, no, just for any of this. It does. Because it's using it's giving your brain the parts of your brain that you're using to get stuff done. It's giving that part a break. It's like you've plugged your batteries into the wall by playing to.or listening to episodes of your goddess awaken. I am so happy. Terry 22:12 Oh, behind I haven't. But we I love them. They're very Roy Barker 22:17 it's the main you know, we're taking a digital break where the the lady is holding up the book that she's reading with the the phone inside? Yeah. Oh, yeah, I Terry 22:28 do that. Like, oh, I'm gonna read Halle 22:33 well, we The thing about the the thing about the empowered to do list that I love is it gives you permission to accomplish certain things. And then it Pat's you on the head and rewards you when you do it. The problem with the to do list is we will just go from thing to thing to thing to thing. And we're never getting we never feel like we're accomplishing anything, because we never pause to recognize that we have accomplished so much. So I mentioned my accountability partner earlier that when I write that list, oh my gosh, I have to I have to dig deep because it's like two weeks. Oh my gosh, what did I do? And I look and I Oh, I did that. And that and and that and that. And now I feel fantastic. And so even maybe just having an accountability partner can help make a big difference for you as well. The important thing though, to remember and this is this comes back to the you know, the purpose of your podcast, your your feeding Fatty, I think that is hysterical title, you're feeding fatty concept, that our bodies are not fat. Our bodies are a result of our fat brains. And our brains are fat because we lie to them all the time and tell ourselves how much we suck how wrong we are and what we're not doing right. So when you feel into the energy of does the system work? It's not does the system work? It's how do I feel about the system? How do I fit does this make me feel good people like I always tell people, why do I have bumper sticker coaching? Because it's small enough to fit on a bumper sticker and you'll remember it in an emergency and why is that important? Because if I tell you a 12 step brilliant process to fix something and you can't remember the first three steps now you feel bad, right? Terry 24:34 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I love that bumper sticker coaching. Well, no. Well, here's Halle 24:41 a sorry. reframe for you, Terry with with you. Just you just said Look, you're like oh, I'm listening to your goddess awakened for pleasure. I'm a little behind. Now you're feeling bad because Terry 24:56 your mind I know. Right? Halle 25:00 So so so that's not good either. So Okay, so here's here's, here's your reframe for feeling behind. Are you ready? I'm writing it down. Your reframe for feeling behind is to keep this mantra like close to your heart. I am exactly where I need to be right now. Because we're ever you are, that is exactly where you need to be right now. And we will make up all this stuff. Right? If I had come out with that podcast A month later, you'd be ahead. But I didn't like your mind. Terry 25:35 But it's all arbitrary. No, and I was kind of upset because I just like, blew through them right away. You know, when we first talked a couple of months ago, I was like, Oh my gosh, and they're, they're just the right amount of time to because, you know, sometimes they can get long, but you know, 15 to 30 minutes ish. And with the bumper sticking, bumper sticking bumper sticker coaching, and oh, my God, I just blew through them. I was like, Where's the rest? Halle 26:04 They're coming, they're coming. The long episodes are the hour long episodes, or if I have a guest, or if I do a trauma clearing for somebody live on the show, I allocate an hour because, you know, you can't just clear trauma and 30 seconds, however, in an hour, we can accomplish a real ton. So it's, it's I love the feedback. Thank you. Thank you so much. I Roy Barker 26:28 really appreciate that. Yeah, we just listened this morning. I think it was the one on women empowerment, and you're stuck in bad situation. So this is the sisterhood. Yes. That is like the latest episode. Terry, you're all behind. And I thought it was interesting. The one thing I've always heard all my life is I'm not going to be spoiler alert, give it away, but I'll let people listen. But the one part you talked about a particular person that was married to another particular person. And you know, the old saying rings true that whenever you marry for money, you will earn it every day. I'm sure that she has. Yeah. Well, let's talk about let's talk about energy for a minute. Because, you know, for people that don't know, we talked to you a long time ago, we tried to do a taping for a business episode that I ended up vanishing. Like I Dream of Jeannie. And but the other thing that we've kind of done in between here is we went and did. Terry, you tell him you say what it was? Oh, no, I Terry 27:40 want you to say because it sounds so good when you say Reiki. Reiki, yes, Reiki whatever Roy Barker 27:47 that thing is, we did that. And it was it was amazing. Because I'm, you know, I'm a cowboy kind of guy. grew up here. I've been around here my whole life. And so I love you, Terry. Yeah, it really is. So me going to one of these things. It's it's, it was not out of my comfort zone. I was ready to travel. It's just not in my norm. You know that in the meditation and all that? Yeah. Anyway, I was just, I was mystified about, you know, the one thing she did was hold her hand over my head. And I felt like my head was on fire. I mean, the heat that she drew out of me or we had together or whatever, I don't know how that is. But then the other thing too, is like, I've got kind of a bad shoulder. When she started migrating, she went to the troubled spots on my body first. And just the whole thing was very interesting. I were I'm going to go back I think Terry has been back for her second round. But so let's what's what's your take on our and, you know, I know people think about like, our, our car mechanic energy, like, you know, if I'm putting negative stuff out and saying negative things about people, all that comes back to us, but, you know, there's also this energy and balance of just moving in life. Mm hmm. Halle 29:09 Yeah. Oh my gosh, I love this topic so much. And I love that you are getting into this for yourself. Because, you know, this is what I was saying is this is there's so much more to life than just what we see like in front of us on a daily and it's such an opportunity to, you know, when we when we go down the rabbit hole of any kind of energy work, it's often just so powerful. And I'm gonna back up a second and and talk a little bit about why I feel that I have the right to discuss this because I think it's going to be important. So I was an atheist until I was in my mid 30s. And not only an atheist, but an atheist who had panic attacks about death, because I just thought there wasn't anything after my body ceased to exist. So that was like the most awful thing I could think of. And then when I went to Egypt for the very first time, I had a spiritual awakening. And that spiritual awakening took me from being an atheist into being this deeply spiritual. God is everything everywhere, God is like breathing person in a single breath. And it was like, so huge and powerful and amazing, singularly the most incredible moment of my life. So far, cuz I'm definitely open for more. And it really, that from that moment to this, I basically become a different person. And my work now is all about energy. And I mean, I have a background in theater and multimedia and real estate and travel. And now I coach and I use every single bit of it, what I use the most, that I didn't understand that I had, was my intuition. And I've come to the understanding that what we believe are our intuitive gifts, which we either have or don't have, is not true. Everyone has intuitive gifts, everyone is, is gifted in the same manner, however, to the extent that you were raised to shut that down, which a lot of parents shut the kids down, right, and your imaginary friend was probably, you know, an intuitive thing and may or may not actually have been in the room with you. And yet, your parents will tell you like, that's not okay, or, you know, shut that away, or you had a tendency to, you know, see dead people or whatever, I've heard all of the things from people who have been told, like, you know, they're there, it's like, you come into the world, and it's almost like you're wearing your, your skin on the inside and your nerve endings on the outside. And depending on who you are, and how you have been raised. That can, you can be told that that's a very bad not okay thing. And the world will shut you down just in general, because they, your, your school, your church, your government, whatever everybody wants you to walk the path that they have outlined, good or bad, I'm not judging anybody, I'm just saying, people don't like it, when you call her outside of the lines, it's confusing. And, and it can be very upsetting for people, especially people who are like more, you know, structure oriented. So all of that to say that we all are made completely of energy, like completely, and everything is energy. This, you know, this podcast is being broadcast from three different physical homes, everybody's got a different microphone, we all have computers, doesn't matter. All of that is also energy. And when you get into the physical atoms of what looks like a solid structure, like a table, it's, it's mostly made up of empty space. And the atoms in that empty space are the same atoms that make us up as well. And there is a difference, because you know, the table does not have a creative life force that that is sentience, but it does have the energy of the creative life force, so everything is energy. Now, I was wondering when you said Reiki whether I was going to talk about this, and I've decided to so I've never said this out loud before because it's not something that I like get paid to do. But I was told a couple of years ago that I am a Reiki Master. I've never studied Reiki However, when I'm in a hospital, my hands automatically just come up and go and do Reiki on people who are sick, and they get better. I've seen it happen often enough that I'm like, Okay, this is a thing, I am not making it up. And I believe that that gift expanded, because when I was in Egypt, having my spiritual awakening, I started blessing my food. So I would hold my hands up, and I would attempt to activate the energy in my hands with my thoughts, so that I could connect to my food. And if you ever hear me pray over a dinner table and I do pray over all my dinner tables, what it's what I say is, I'm so grateful and I'm grateful for the food made with loving hands and the food going from farm to table and as I do that I am energetically activating my hands connecting with that food because that food is full of atoms and molecules that make me up and when I claim that that is all turning into love and light in my body, it really will help me shift what you know what what we focus on expands. So when we spend all that time going on on the lips, a lifetime on the hips, what do you think that's doing to our bodies? Where is that chocolate cake going? Exactly. Whereas when you claim that it is turning into love and light in your body, when you are blessing it when you are connecting with it, and when you are deliberately present moment Terry enjoying it, it shifts how it processes in your body. Now, I don't understand all of it. But I understand that it is true. And my programming growing up was always don't eat that you're going to get fat, which is very confusing because Jewish families do this thing where on the one hand, it's don't eat that you're going to get fat. And on the other hand, it's Did you finish your dinner, you're going to get sick, if you don't eat all your food. Both of these things are going to this Did you know there were starving children in China. So all these things are going at the same time. And so you're gonna get really confused. And if you have strong personalities in your life, like I did, you get really confused. So I've spent my whole life going or any food that I put in my mouth, other than lettuce will make me fat. And I was guess what I was fat my whole life my whole life. When I was six, I was a size six, when I was eight, I was a size eight, when I was 12. I was a size 12. I thought that was how it went. I was sure by the time I was 16, I was about a 1416. And I stayed there until I was in my mid 40s when I finally came into a new understanding, which by the way was for me doing 12 step for food. And what I came to understand is that control is the master addiction. And when I learned that it didn't matter what else I did, as long as I gave the control over to my higher power. And once I started doing that, everything began to shift in my life in a really, really good way. And Roy, in my opinion, everything that I said everything. And everything we talked about all the throughout this entire conversation is all about energy, because it's what are you putting out in the world? And what do you expect to get back? Or do you think that that Reiki would have worked as well on you, if you had said this doesn't work? This is crap. As she put her hand on, you know, there's no way Roy Barker 37:23 you had to, you have to have an open mind and be receptive. And it's it's funny, because I just wrote down the three words that as we started doing that I had had, I'd had one of the worst weeks that I've had in the last couple years. Like I had a one time on a Tuesday and a Thursday. And I went Thursday night and I almost didn't go because you know, I was just out of sorts, but I went. And so as she, as she started doing her thing, you know, I kept my eyes closed and was just kind of meditating. And it was like I was between sleep and consciousness. But I just that's called the theta state. Yep, yeah, I just might, it was all also to my chest just swelled up, I could just feel everything welling up in me. And then the three words that came to mind were patience, peace and strength. It was the most bizarre, you know, half because those are the words I needed to hear at that time. But I just felt, yeah, it was kind of like an out of body out of body experience almost that, anyway, that, that and the other thing that I've started doing when I meditate is you know, people kind of snicker about the old, you know, the picture of the person sitting there with their hands like that, but you know, what I have become to find is, that's, that's my antenna, or that's me, you know, I love it all bringing it all to me. And I just feel like I'm much more receptive if I can put my hands in that pose that it's like I'm welcoming in, you know, whatever God has given me at that time. Halle 39:01 And the mudras, which are the different positions of the hands, each one actually has, and I couldn't tell you what each one has a different meaning. So when you see the pictures of the Buddha, and the Buddha is doing this, this is a giving and receiving pose of the Buddha's. So that's, that's this particular mudra and it is a mudra. But to but the normal mudros for meditation, you you bring your thumb and forefinger together in a circle, why are you doing that you are creating a closed circuit, so does a closed energy circuit that is allowing like a circular experience of energy where it goes out and it goes in and so you're having that flow, and then there are different mudros you know, like, some like like this one, or like two fingers up, and then the rest of the fingers close. Those are all different moods that you could use. And another thing that you can do To create that closed circuit, but also to allow the flow is to clasp your hands as well and turn them over so that your palms are facing up and sit with your hands in your lap like that. That's another way to create that antenna thing. It's not coming through your fingers, it's actually coming through your crown chakra. Right? And it's so it's the full of flow of that energy is coming through. I mean, it's too literal to say like looks coming from the heavens into the top of your head and going throughout your body. And yet, that's actually a really comforting way of thinking about it. And let me ask you about that what you said about welling up so you were talking about your like your heart welling up, did it feel like a bunch of emotions welling up? Or did it feel like your heart was very full, which was it? Roy Barker 40:49 I think it was very full, it wasn't welling up emotionally. But it was just like, rap prior to these words coming to me, it was just like all the energy. You know, I don't know if it was that it's like, everything just kind of rushed up in here. And I just felt no puffed up empowered. Okay. Like, that's kind of like, you know, super how you think super great. Halle 41:15 I love it. I love it. Okay, so Joe dispenza, who is a chiropractor turned brain scientist who loves all this stuff. Joe dispenza talks about this idea of what he calls heart coherence. And heart coherence is now he's he so he works with a company called heart math. And they will they do biofeedback. So they've actually done lots and lots of tests, because the tests they've done are too crazy. Like, if you weren't hooked up to machines that were empirically proving what he's saying, you'd be like, yeah, that's a bunch of crap. But they're there. They hook people up to the computers, and the computers record the information. And that's how they know. So for example, they did DNA tests. And this is at the beginning of the book, breaking the habit of being yourself if anybody's interested. Okay. Well, and you haven't read it yet. All right, well, okay. Now, so. So this is you're gonna, you're gonna be like, run, don't walk to this book at the after, after you hear the story. So the experiment that they did was they they took DNA strands, okay, now DNA strands are double helix, right? There's two that you can see, it's actually 12. But that's a whole other conversation. There's, so it's a double helix, the two intertwine strands, and they took these two intertwine strands, and they gave them in test tubes to people. And they asked people to set an intention to unwind the strands of DNA. I don't know if you've ever heard the expression, it's in your DNA. What does that mean? It's completely unchangeable forever, because you can't change your DNA. And that's like, what? Okay, so you shouldn't be able to do anything to change your DNA. Are we in agreement about that? Yeah. Okay. So he did three different groups, the first group, simply set the intention. The second group went into heart coherence, which is this feeling of flooding your heart with love, until it feels so full that it is about to burst sound familiar, Roy. And then the third group first experienced heart coherence and then set the intention of unwinding the strands of DNA. The first group, nothing, the second group, nothing asked me the percentage that the strands of DNA were unwound. And the third group that had both heart coherence and following that intention, what do you think the percentage of DNA that was unwound? Roy Barker 43:43 100%. Halle 43:45 And that would be less really cray cray? No, no, it wasn't that high. But it was 25%. way bigger than or no, but but it's 1%. You'd be like, that didn't happen, right? 10% you'd be like, no way. But 25% is obviously not a coincidence, right? It's not a placebo kind of an effect. So why did the DNA on wind by even by that 25% it was the combination of heart coherence and intention. So he says, you put your like to create intent to create a result that you desire to manifest something, you would fill your heart with love, feel all the puppies, you know, the yummy puppies in the world, all those kitten videos that you've ever seen, plus the person you were madly in love with before they broke your heart, all those yummy feelings, and then you set your intention for the thing that you want to manifest. So, Roy, what you said really reminded me of that because it is a precursor. When you feel like that when you feel like your heart is so full. It is a precursor to setting your intention now I can't see your stomach. I can only see your from the neck up. But you look like you're not. Terry 45:07 What would you say? Roy Barker 45:08 I said, that's by design. The camera Halle 45:11 you, you look like you don't need to lose any weight. But let's say you still need to lose some weight. Okay? Right? Yeah, we can go, right? Okay. So the first thing to do is to set the intention of releasing, not losing, right releasing it. And the next thing to do is to combine your intention to release Why don't we want to lose weight because we want we'll have to find it again, we want to find the things we lose, you don't want that right. So we release the weight. And we do it, if you choose to, you could do it by creating that heart coherence, that feeling of everything is enjoy in in alignment, enjoy and my heart is so full, it could burst. And then seeing yourself visualizing yourself at your ideal weight. What happens though, instead and this, you know, the harv eker t harv eker says where intention goes, energy flows and results show that's his little expression, right? So but what we focus on expands right, if you want to, you know, you want to see in your minds, you can hold it in your hand. That's what my my crypto coach says. So I love all of those things. Thoughts are things right, Wallace wattles said that we when we when we talk about losing weight we're talking about we're making ourselves wrong. When we talk about how fat we are, we're making ourselves wrong when we talk about, oh, I'm eating this chocolate cake. And it's going to go right to my hips, we're making ourselves wrong. When all you do is focus on I am my ideal, perfect body weight. At the same time that you have that beautiful love filling your heart, you're combining this magnificent brain power that you have with your heart energy, to the visualization of your brain with the heart Love energy. And that's where the magic can really start to happen. So I just, I wanted to share all of that with you with your listeners, because I know from my own experience, but also from the AHA that I've had. I was at the I was at the dolphin cancer challenge, which is here at a Cancer Center in Miami. And I was there for like the fourth year in a row. And I've never gone back since because I got the message loud and clear that day. I looked up and there was a banner right over me and the banner said 60,000 people fighting cancer, and all of a sudden it just hit me like a ton of bricks. What if those 60,000 people were affirming perfect health? Who wants to fight cancer? First of all, it has the energy of cancer right in the words. Secondly, it's got the energy of struggle, right in the words, right? We are fighting the thing we don't want. What if we just focused on the thing that we do want? What happens when you water? The negative tree, it grows, what happens when you water the positive tree it grows. So the trick is starve the negative tree don't give it any energy. Because what happens to a plant that you don't give any energy to it dies. withers and dies. Know Terry 48:37 that. Yeah, we still needed to hear that right now. Yeah, there have been there's been a little negativity. Halle 48:45 We all get that, right. Look, there's two there's two things Terry, there's, there's what happens. And then there's how we react to what happens. And actually there's a third thing which is getting ahead of it. So that it it you can co create so that it always just happens positively. Right? However, sometimes stuff happens from the outside that is so far out of your control that you you or you weren't expecting it to the point where you, you couldn't get ahead of it. Now you still wait can't get ahead of it. Now you're like, Oh my gosh, I'm drowning. That's where you take those three deep breaths, you get present and you begin to say, like when we're in fear, doubt, uncertainty, unhappiness, negativity, any anger, whatever. get curious. Curiosity is an amazing tool. Hmm, I wonder why I feel like that. Hmm. I wonder if I could feel different. Could I allow myself to feel different? Would it be okay with me if I wasn't upset and the things still happen, right, we can have that whole interaction, right. And now your brain starts to shift out of the negativity because you've actually put it on. You're like, Come over here. Let's go over here and let's get onto this track instead of that really well worn One that you're so used to going down. Terry 50:03 That's awesome. Roy Barker 50:04 That's a great ending thought, I know I've got a, I know you've got a hard stop that I know you'll never take my call again, if we blow through that. Terry 50:15 vapors. Roy Barker 50:17 We could go on talking for a couple more hours, it's always a pleasure speaking with you. And so before we get away a couple things we always like to ask though, is, what is a tool or a habit. And I know that we've talked about a few but a tool or a habit that you use every day that really helps you in your personal life or your professional life, something that you just can't do without. Halle 50:41 I call it working out at the spiritual gym. And to me, it's the habit of getting up in the morning, going into prayer, meditation, and for me, it's yoga stretching, if I don't stretch my body, it means my mind isn't going to stretch. So that's what I tend to do. That is what I tend to do and and I believe that whatever your practice is that you you can help yourself by working out at the spiritual gym and have another recommendation if we have a second Roy Barker 51:16 we've got plenty of time. I brought a prop. Terry 51:19 Okay. Halle 51:20 Yeah, my, my new book neutral glamorous, how to feel beautiful inside and out. And a lot of what I'm talking about today, that bumper sticker coaching stuff and also on the tools to workout at the spiritual gym can be found in neutral glamorous, so I just wanted to I just wanted to really recommend that if people would like more help with that. And you can actually buy it on neutral glamourous neutral is en nu t Ri neutrik glamourous calm, or they can also buy it on Amazon. And I think by the time this airs, the audible book will be out the book will be out on Audible. Roy Barker 52:03 Okay, so So tell us also, before we get away, tell us not about the podcast where we can find it. And then also, you know, I know that you do some coaching and other things tell us you know who you'd like to work with? How you can help them and then of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you. Halle 52:20 Oh, thank you. Well, I want to work with anybody who is looking for a giant transformation in their lives ready for that quantum leap. Maybe they've worked with other coaches, maybe they've been struggling with something for often their whole lives. I love working with people to help them I tend to focus on women entrepreneurs over 40 however, I have different types of clients that I work with, if you do go to my website, though, you will find that it is highly focused on the goddess energy. Sorry, I dropped my phone. And and you can go to the easiest way to get to my website is, is it's halleeavelyn.com but the easiest way to get there is to go to Halle mindset calm, because mindset is so much easier to spell than Eavelyn. So it's highly like Mary H A L L E and then Halle mindset calm. And when you're there, you can subscribe to get all the latest information about my books, my upcoming tours, I'm doing my next tour to Egypt in October, and which is a tour about balancing the sacred divine masculine and feminine. And then you can also get all the information about the podcast, the podcast is called your goddess awakened, I would type in your goddess awakened and my first name Holly, because there's so many goddess things that like you know, they suggest to you and the podcast is still so new. But it's on like 17 platforms. We're on iTunes as of like, I don't know, two weeks ago. And then it's also a show on YouTube. And you can subscribe on any platforms, you just go to your favorite podcast platform and type in your goddess awakened and Halle. And then hopefully that will come up for you. And then please subscribe on the site. Also, there is a free gift on the site right on the front page called three keys to slay your inner critic. So pick that up for yourself as well while Roy Barker 54:17 you're there. Oh, yeah. All right. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking time out of your day. It's always a pleasure and you'll have to come back. We got plenty to talk about. that's gonna do it for us for another episode of feeding fatty Of course. I am Roy. Terry 54:32 I'm Terry. Holly. Thank you so much. This has been great. Roy Barker 54:36 You can find us on all the major podcast platforms as well iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify. A video of this interview will go up on YouTube when it goes live as well. We're on all the major social media networks. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Bye www.halleeavelyn.com www.feedingfatty.com
Managing Stress Is Important To Achieving Emotional and Physical Wellness with Elizabeth Di Cristofano It was such a week such a hectic, exhausting week that, I think it is building into the day today. But, you know, we we have the control over it. It's how literally how we could talk now we talk to ourselves with switch that mindset of Yes, we're having a crappy morning, but you know, what we have the rest of the day. About Elizabeth As a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, Elizabeth sets out to inspire women, specifically women over 40, to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and wellness has been in Elizabeth's world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40. Elizabeth's career was mainly in the apparel corporate world, working for companies including a New York designer brand and a Fortune 500 company. A career that was not sustainable and in the midst of her starting her own health journey she experienced burnout. Taking on a mind/body approach, Elizabeth started incorporating optimal nutrition, meditation, journaling, daily workouts and movement and practicing setting boundaries all in which helps her thrive in everyday life. But that was not always the case in her life. She battled an eating disorder when she was 15 which showed back up again recently and is just now in recovery. Elizabeth started building her own business in her forties and offers her services as a Health Coach to help high achieving and high performing entrepreneur female 40-60 years old who needs to operate at peak state in order to meet the high demands of corporate, family and social life – an area in which she is really familiar with. She is a host of an alternative health and wellness podcast called The Root Of Our Health, which ties in with her mission of changing behaviors by empowering entrepreneurial women in their 40's and beyond to know their self worth! Even her message at the end of every podcast episode is “You are worth it” Her motto she lives by is love, laughter and to live la dolce vita! Elizabeth Di Cristofano Website The Root of Our Health Podcast Listen to more great episodes of Feeding Fatty here www.elizabethdicristofano.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Managing Stress Is Important To Achieving Emotional and Physical Wellness with Elizabeth Di Cristofano Sat, 5/29 10:17AM • 46:16 SUMMARY KEYWORDS stress, thinking, elizabeth, people, happening, adrenal fatigue, podcast, adrenal, thyroid, day, throw, talking, hard, eating, functional medicine doctor, good, feel, test, amazon, deal SPEAKERS Terry, Elizabeth, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:05 Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty This is Roy necessary. So we are the podcast of course we are journey chronicling our journey through this wellness through eating better exercise, getting more exercise, reducing stress, all those great things that we need to do in order to live a more, you know, happy fulfilled, healthier life. And so also too from time to time we have guest on and after the morning we've had we had to make emergency phone call to Elizabeth and I'm gonna let Terry in very introducer Terry 00:41 Elizabeth DiCristofano know sets out to inspire women as a functional medicine as functional medicine certified health coach, specifically women over 40 to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and Wellness has been an Elizabeth world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40. Elizabeth started building her own business in her 40s and offers her services as a health coach to help high achieving and high performing entrepreneur, female's 40 to 60 years old. She's the host of an alternative and wellness podcast called the root of our health which ties in with our mission of changing behaviors by empowering entrepreneurial women. You are worth it is her motto, Elizabeth? Thank you. Oh my gosh, do we need you? We need you. Oh especially today, I was not good today. Roy Barker 01:37 It was funny because I know you like to talk about stress. And then you know, before the show we were talking about I think we all had a rough week and then for some of us this morning has started off just where we left off yesterday was like Okay, let's deal with this stress. So we don't run the rest of our day and we don't run the rest of our our health and wellness. Elizabeth 01:59 Yeah, yeah, no, and I you know, like you said, it started started out that way so minded too. I you know, it was such a week such a hectic, exhausting week that, you know, I think it is building into the day today. But, you know, we we have the control over it. It's how literally how we could talk now we talk to ourselves with switch that mindset of Yes, we're having a crappy morning, but you know, what we have the rest of the day. So how are we going to spend it? So yeah, Roy Barker 02:34 yeah, you know, I'm, I'm gonna mute. I'm gonna I'm gonna mute Terry. So jump in here. But yeah, for the last, you know, 30 minutes or an hour, it's just been terrible. And, you know, I think that same thing, I think, I don't want this to ruin the rest of my day. I've got other stuff because you know, when it's just seems to just have piled on. And so what I want to do when it piles on like that, is of course, I just want to sit down and find something to eat is not, that is not the way to handle that. And so, you know, that's part of what we are, I'm gonna say me, that's part of what I'm working on, is trying to figure out, okay, you know, this has happened, I can't go back and change it, it's gonna mess up the trajectory of my day, and probably the weekend, so you know, how to deal with it. One thing I have found is that's interesting is sometimes when we go through these, it happens for a reason that we come out on the other end, and we're like, Okay, I'm better off than I probably would have been had things happen the whale, but as we're going through it, you know, that is just difficult. That's not an easy thing to think about. Elizabeth 03:46 Yeah, no, and you're right, right. It's like, you know, going through it. You're, you're you're wondering, Well, what the hell is going on? You know, why? Why am I doing this? Why am I feeling this, and sometimes you just surrender to, to like the foods and surrender to things because you're so freakin tired. And you're so like, you're just you're just wanting to, you know, like, get get away from that pain, really. So that's what happens is when media stress, we're not thinking clearly, we're just surrendering to whatever is coming up in our lives. You know, and it's tough. It is tough. And now you your Outlook, though, of, you know, getting out on the other end, seeing seeing a different light of, you know, the reason why it happened. That's a good outlook. A lot of people don't even have that a lot of people have this, like, Oh, well, you know, it happened to me, it happened, you know, and it's just a loss. But understanding you know, things do happen in our lives, whether it's stressful or or great. That you know, sometimes you got to go through that pain to understand the good. Yeah, Roy Barker 04:58 yeah, and it's the way You know, when you're in the moment, it's, it's hard, Terry 05:03 hard to break. And yeah, Roy Barker 05:04 you know, now once I kind of like came through, and it took a couple deep breaths, and that's something I've learned too is over the last month or two, you know, we've done the Riki wreck, whatever it is, whatever that word is, you know, we've done that we've tried to do more meditation, have some quiet time, even just for a few minutes to be more one. And so you know, realizing what's going on, taking four or five deep breaths to try to you know, rebalance and recenter is good. But you know what, I guess one thing that's frustrating for me, and it's my own fault, because I have so much that needs to be done. But it's like, okay, I really didn't have time to do stuff that I need to do today, tomorrow and the next day. So now, I'm going to take for things I should have been doing or needed to do today. And I'm going to push them out two days when didn't have enough so that some of that is self inflicted, I get that. But then on the other hand, it's like, it's just, it's things that need to be done. And it's not, you know, it's not like a choice, like, you know, I was gonna paint the fence today and say, Okay, well, I'm just not gonna do that. I mean, these are, to me, they're critical deadlines that just have to be met. And there's no, you know, the only way to do that, and then this is where I really go out of control, because then the next thing is the eating, then the next thing is staying up till two in the morning trying to get it done, and then you're tired. And then you want to eat, I want to eat more for fuel to wake me up. Anyway, that's a bad sign. Like, Elizabeth 06:38 yeah, it is a vicious cycle. But let me ask you a question is this are these tasks, like, the hard tasks that you don't want to do? Are these you know, or these things that you find fun? Roy Barker 06:53 Well, if, if things went right, it's fun. Okay, when things start to go bad, it's when they become not fun and become drudgery. And then, I have to admit, and then you wake up the next day, kind of, you know, all balled up, like, what's gonna, what's gonna happen today, and then it's like, do I even want to start down this path and like, get, you know, get hit in the head with somebody throwing rocks at you, when I could just not do anything. But that's not an option. I mean, it's stuff I'm got to do so. So both. So Elizabeth 07:31 you know, and the reason why I asked him because that's, that's our, that's our default. When we have hard things, you know, we have a to do list, right. And we have these very hard thing door is that even hard, but it's like things that are, you know, if we have a creative mind, and these are just like, the processes and the things that we're not loving to do, um, we tend to kind of put them off, just because obviously, we don't love them. But what ends up happening, obviously, it's just like, goes and goes and goes, Okay, I'll do that tomorrow. I'll do that tomorrow. And then we procrastinate. And then until, like you said that last minute that you really, truly need to get it done, because it's a deadline, then you're stressed out, then you're like, eating, trying to stay up cuz it is a deadline, right? Before what I learned is that doing those hard things, or doing the things that don't like to do first, right, to get them out of the way? And yes, you know, sometimes, like you said, things could go wrong, and it has, especially if you're, you know, doing something that's technology bound, you know, it's like, something can't Yeah, right? Something can go haywire. And all of a sudden, that one hour that you you, you know, put on your calendar for that one task is now two or three hours. Yeah, that gets frustrating, right? Yeah. Roy Barker 08:53 And that is the I think that's what kills me more than not wanting to do stuff because like I said, if, if I could just do it, and work through it, I'm really good with that. And I don't mind it. But what happens is, you know, just we can use today as an example. You know, we wake up, got woke up. About that's the worst. Yeah, this morning, I was thinking, Oh my gosh, we might get to sleep in a little bit. You know, we get a call from the Amazon delivery guy. And then, you know, while I'm up trying to sort this out, they just throw the package out at somebody else's house. So now spent, you know, 3045 minutes on the phone dealing with them, not going to get the thing and then of course, you know, we have some technical issues trying to even get this call up again, then it just you know, it's frustrating because I hate to waste our guests time and that's, that is my you know, I don't like to waste our time and we're tight schedule, but man when it bubbles over and affects somebody else out of my sphere, then you know that I hate that because, you know, I know that you Your time is by and your your very gracious, you haven't lost that. make that clear. You came home with a smile and did everything he needed to do, but I'm just saying it's just, uh, you know, and the good news is, I think we can we can say this now is that, you know, we were having some terrible internet issues for the last, I don't know, month, month and a half where, you know, we actually had a few episodes that we just had to quit taping mid conversation because the quality was terrible. So anyway, we finally got a new cable placed in the house and we got it turned up last week. But then again, it's been it's had consistent problems, you know, every day, when it works, it's awesome. But you know, when it does and then you know, at&t wants me to spend an hour or two on the phone with them trying to troubleshoot and so you know, that just it just, I guess it just starts compounding you know, with people. It's I it's not that they want my time frivolous frivolously it's just that they need my time, which is fine, but it's like I had zero time in my calendar today to mess with Amazon and to mess with 18th it was just weren't even on my radar. And now they have taken over my entire morning so far. Elizabeth 11:20 Yeah. And that's, that's that's the thing, you see external. Relax with the better word crap that you noticed. It's like, you weren't expecting that. It's something that Okay, now you just woke me up out of the, you know, of something that I was trying to relax, right. So that external stress just came at you and of all things that didn't even turn out. Right. So if you've got the package, then I can see it being like, Okay, well, you know, it was it was for something, but it was nothing. Yeah. And then you still have to contact them to reorder I'm sure. And I mean, I've been there. And I think that's the The other thing we were talking about off off off camera was that, you know, I, again, I was I actually order two things. And those two things said attempted delivery. Well, no, I have to and I did already twice go back out to read deliver and they read delivered and still says Roy Barker 12:24 attempted Oh my gosh. Elizabeth 12:29 I'm stupid post office. But I I'm just saying you know, I get it. I get it. It's like those things to where you have a lot on your plate, you have your schedule full. And all of a sudden these outside stressors come to you. And it's like, I can't deal with you people. Yeah, you guys are just ruining my day ruining my world. And it's it's frustrating, but how are you? How are you dealing with it? Like, are you? Are you using your meditation at all for this? And Terry 13:01 you? Well, different types of meditation Roy Barker 13:07 was more using my Tourette's I think at the time. Yeah, well, you know, the reality is it was still bubbling over, like, you know, right when we were getting on this call. So that's part of the deal. I just haven't had time to deal with it. And you know, what I will say, at this point is like, you know, when you actually start verbalizing this, then you become like, Oh, my gosh, you mean I'm wasting my time even thinking about this, because, you know, it's like, it's kind of like the, it's like really is at the worst problem mean, there's people that are sick, there are people that are have financial issues. You know, they're people that are in accidents, or, you know, there's all kinds of Mayhem going on in the world, and you're frustrated about my Amazon package didn't get here, Terry 13:53 and then you start thinking about the guilt. These other people are going through all this stuff. And then the guilt piles, I don't know if that's the mom thing, or that's the dad thing. I don't I don't know. Roy Barker 14:04 It's just a thing, because I'm old enough to remember when you actually had to get in the car and go to the store to buy stuff. So now like, Okay, well, I was too lazy to get in the car to go buy this thing. So I ordered it for delivering and now I'm worried that I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna get it for 24 more hours. It's Terry 14:24 so like, on demand. Yeah, and everything on demand. Right now drive thru service. Yeah. Roy Barker 14:30 And, you know, again, when you're going through that you don't think about it but having a minute to take a break and really, you know, talk with y'all to is like, Oh my God, this sounds so corny, but I'm sure there are other people that are going through it as well. Elizabeth 14:44 No, and you know, it's, it's the it's the times right. And that is why stress is like huge. It's a huge epidemic. Now it's because we want everything now. And no matter I'm I'm Gen X as well. So I know all about your the Hard times not the hard times the just the times where we actually had to have pick up a phone that's in your house and you didn't have a cell phone. You didn't have you didn't have these things deliver tea, you actually had to go out and especially I'm from, you know, Chicago, in the snow. You know, getting tracking in like Orpheus No, not really, I'm being dramatic, but, you know, just just picture that just picture like the kids and people nowadays try to do what we were doing back then. But it is I mean, but it switches your brain like that to it. See, it's the, like you said on demand, give me Now give me now I want it now. And when you don't have it, it's like, Ah, that's it. My life is over. Roy Barker 15:45 Right. Exactly. Yeah. Elizabeth 15:49 So there's one one thing I wanted to mention that to kind of keep going on this, but you mentioned that, you know, our problems aren't really, you know, big problems. You know, like, of the world of, you know, like, there's a lot of people suffering, there's a lot of people, and it goes through and through difficult things. I was just listening to a podcast, and it was one of these. Um, I don't know if you heard of Tim Ferriss, but podcast? Yeah, yeah. Terry 16:17 I've been on a kick this week. Elizabeth 16:19 Right. Okay, good. So I don't know if you've heard this one. But it was with a I don't know his name offhand. But basketball players, he's a big time basketball player. And he just mentioned that, you know, when you throw because, you know, we're all complainers, right? We all complain, complain. So when you throw your complaints on the table, and you have everybody else share their complaint, you quickly like, Oh, I'm gonna take this back. It's like that what you guys are going it's like, you know, 10 times worse or 100 times worse. And if we're not comparing, but it's understanding that you know, what, we've got a good we got we got a good, so it's more or less, like getting the energy out of what we're feeling. And they'd be like, Okay, I'm done, then, you know, then we can go on. But yeah, yeah, Roy Barker 17:13 I think that's it sounds like a, I guess now I feel like I've thrown my tantrum. And I'm gonna try to, you know, pick up and move on. Yes, let's try to pick me up off the floor and say, Hey, quit throwing your gun along here. Hey, we all do it. You know, so I've read something that was really, it was really, to put things in perspective the other day, because it was a, I guess it was a lady that was just talking about, you know, how these seniors this year have had it so bad, and all of the stuff that's going on, and they miss their dances, and I get that in a senior, you know, when you're that age in that world? Yeah, it's a big thing. But then somebody replied to her is like, Well, I was telling my husband about this. And he said, Well, yeah, but you know, for those of us that graduated from 1964, to 1970, our senior trip was to Vietnam. And so I was like, wow, yeah. Yeah, you know, Terry 18:17 yeah. Yeah. Just trying to find perspective is, and and when you're going through it, like, you don't really think about, think about sitting there and just being with the issue, and risk, you know, just just being with it. It's afterward when you're like, Oh, well, I just wasted all that time, then you think, Oh, my God, I just wasted all that time. So what, you know what now? Now, I'm mad that I wasted the time thinking about it. Well, there's a reason for that. Okay, what is it a loser? I'm gonna tell you. Elizabeth 18:53 So what happens when we're stressed out like that is, it's called the amygdala hijack. So what happens is your amygdala is the one that processes all the information, you know, stress response, you know, stuff like that, like all of these, you know, basically, your smart brain, your smart area, right? And what happens is it just shuts down. So you don't think clearly, when when you have you know, when you're either angry or just stressed out or something like that. And then what happens is your cortisol levels go up, your adrenaline goes up. So when your brain shuts down in your journal goes up, that you're not thinking properly. You're not you're not you're just going through what you want to get achieved at that moment. Right. And, you know, it's like from a long time ago, this is what happens to fight flight or freeze, like, really the fight or flight is from the olden times of Paleolithic times where saber toothed Tiger runs after you What are you going to do? Either you're going to fight it or you're going to you're going to flee. You're going to run So that is where now the saber toothed Tiger is our stressors like that Amazon dies, your stressor. So you're, you're fighting it, you're you're putting all your energy in fighting this, this one stress. And so your amygdala is shut down, and you're not really thinking clearly until it just, you know, you rest that you are calming down after. And then you're like, oh, okay, I shouldn't, you know, I should have said this, I shouldn't have done this, you know, blah, blah, blah. So that's what's happening is, when you have that, that stress response versus that rest and digest, it's kind of like you're doing, you're going your action, and then you're actually thinking about afterwards. So, Roy Barker 20:43 so what can help us slow our roll, though? Or is there anything that can, you know, help us from going from like, you know, zero to 60. And then spending that time going through that, and then trying to come back down? I mean, that because that's what I was thinking are very, is just, you know, if I could have just not launched on these numbers, like, like, multiple things is like, kept coming, kept coming. And, you know, it's like that, and then that doesn't help that escalates it, because then I'm thinking, not only my thinking about these issues to deal with and process and figure out, but then it's like, Okay, well, I have these other four things on my schedule this morning that I am not addressing at all. So that's the, I think, you know, for me, that's what I want to figure out is just like, recognizing that in the beginning, and maybe I should have done it, maybe I need to be more conscious of that emotion climbing and just say, Okay, I gotta step away, sit down and just do my little 10 minute, you know, meditation or breathing? Elizabeth 21:47 Well, you said it right there. I mean, it's, it's not it's not easy. I, you know, I mean, we all go through it just because it's, it is it piles up, you get overwhelmed, and it's like, you know, I have this, this and you're thinking in the future, right? You're, you're thinking you're going through your present, you know, turmoil or stress, you're thinking of what's happening? What, how is this going to affect the future? And that's even causing more stress, right. So you just mentioned, you know, stepping out of it, and kind of getting into maybe, breathing, you know, breathing. So when we breed, we kind of, you know, slow it down. It's easier said than done. You know, people think, Oh, you know, I breathe every day. But when you get stressed out what happens? You don't, you Your, your breathing is shallow and or you don't read, so yeah, stop. And like, when you're talking to that guy, or when you know, or female or whomever, as they're talking, instead of thinking about it, kind of be mindful of how you're reacting to it. And then taking a deep breath while they're talking, whatever they have to say, and then kind of like, address the issue. So that's, you know, it's, again, it's being mindful of the situation before it takes control of you. Yeah, um, again, it's easier said than done. But you know, practice, we have to practice it, it's all Terry 23:17 well enjoy you. You are really, I have to give you kudos, because you are really good at helping me recognize when that is happening to me. And it happens a lot, because I just, especially with technology, I am not I just do not have a technological brain at all. And I want it to work like it should. Like I think it should, yes, but but you I mean, you're you are always Okay. Take a deep breath, step back, let's evaluate the situation. You need to be kinder to yourself, and maybe offer yourself a little grace in that process. Roy Barker 23:57 Yeah, it's it's hard. And I but I think it's like, it's like the, it's like eating or, you know, it's like, I think we talked before about you know, that one time that I just kind of, I was working and then hates I woke up because I was awake. But it's like, the realization came up that well, I'm standing here at the cabinet with my hand in these, this was, luckily was chickpeas, it wasn't chips, but I'm standing here with my hand in a bag of something, do I really need that. And so I think that mindfulness or being in tune with yourself translates into these situations is you kind of have to feel yourself in that escalation and try to, the sooner we can get to it, the better off we are, to mitigate it instead of you know, letting it get to the point where I was while ago just totally out of control. Because then it's a lot harder to it's a lot harder to make that turn and then the other thing I was gonna say is that you know, I've got some good advice, one time from From my priests, then he just, we were talking about the mindset and stuff. And he just said, Look, it's our choice. What we, you know, our mind is a grinder, and it's our choice of what we grind. And that's a, it's a good analogy. So what I'm trying to think of now is like, instead of grinding on this Amazon and 18 t thing all day, you know, I've got to somehow get past that. And think about all the other great stuff that's going on, you know, the other opportunities, focus on the good stuff. Elizabeth 25:31 Yeah, no, that's exactly it is you hit it on the head, because it's, it's how you how you think, you know, determines how you feel, and you've determined your actions, right? So as you keep thinking, the negative, you know, and being angry, and all of that, that's gonna, it's gonna go throughout your day, and it's gonna also whatever you touch or whatever, you know, things happen. They're going to be negatively there. So so you know what I'm saying? Like, say, for example, you're, you're still going right? You're still you know, kind of, you know, on that that stressed moment, and then after this call, you're still stressed? Well, what do you think is going to happen, these are going to stay stressful for you, because you're, that's your, that's what you're thinking what you think you attract. So you're going to attract, stressing, you know, situations, and you're just gonna be like, Oh, my God, this day just sucks. That's it. But ya know, your, your previous was right on and having, it's kind of like pulling, pulling yourself outside of that situation, you're kind of looking in a different perspective. And like, kind of overhead and seeing, like, kind of an out of body experience. I've seen what you're, you know, how you are, how you're clenched up, how you're physically, how you're speaking how you're mentally? And then it's kind of like, Okay, well, I don't have to be this way. And doing like you said, that choice. So yeah, Roy Barker 27:05 yeah, then the other thought is about the wasted time. And this is what I'm gonna try to think of next time. It's like, I can waste this hour or so, you know, being upset. And then, you know, kind of have one of these revelation moments where it's like, well, in the scheme of life, it's really not that big a deal. And we can't change it. So there's no use worrying about it, it's done. Let's move forward. Trying to think that earlier in the event, because then it's like, we don't have to waste. You know, there's no use wasting that time being upset, but I can feel it. Like, it just starts in your stomach. And so many people say everything, you know, most 80% of our stuff starts in a slump, like I feel it starting there. And it just like rushed up, you know, through my chest and into my head. You could just feel the pressure. You know, it's just like a pressure cooker of boiling water, I guess. Yeah. Physically. Yeah. You know, 10 stuff. Yeah. So then you have to think about, you know, having to think about how to fix Terry because she said, No, we're, you know, six feet. So I know that she was like, Oh, my God, do I need to do I need to run inflammatory? You know, what am I gonna do here? But then also those poor people on the other lady on the on the Amazon, I was pretty nice to her. I'm like, you were very nice. I told her. I said, Tell your drive to get it. Right. And that way, you don't have to talk to crazy people. Like Elizabeth 28:29 that's a good thing, knowing that that, you know, she couldn't really it's not her fault. Roy Barker 28:34 Yeah. And that's the unfortunate part is, you know, most of the time, we tend to take it out on people that are closest to us, or that really can affect I mean, you know, they just they can't so yeah, anyway, trying to recognize that earlier, so just don't have to go through all this because I can only imagine like, what does that do to our insides? Yeah, you you've been doing good said segue. You've been? You've mentioned adrenal adrenal glands. You just did a four part series on your podcast. Elizabeth 29:08 Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it does. Physically, you know, in your body. It does a lot to you. So the reason why I bring up adrenal, adrenal is and and actually more specifically Adrenal Fatigue is because that is what I actually went through. Two years ago, I mean, I am a high stress person, I'm, it is what it is, I'm, you know, type a, you know, control freak, all of that. So, I'm a high stress person. So what I'm teaching, usually I need to learn, right? That's what you tend to do. You tend to teach what you really need to learn yourself and going through the process going through, you know, all of these things. So, so yeah, two years ago, um, you know, I was going, I don't know what I basically I put a lot of stress on myself. So one thing is is, you know, there was Outside stressors I was just doing, I was trying to get a business going. And I was putting a lot of stress on myself. And it was at the same time when, you know, I was like, I was 41. And I'm and I just started getting bloated and getting irritable, crying all the time. I'm yelling, like yelling at my husband, and just just overall, like, my face was puffy. Um, I was feeling exhausted after my workouts. So I was like, okay, something is going on. And I and I felt that at my age, I was a little too young to have perimenopause. So then I was like, Alright, I heard about this thyroid thing. Let me you know, let me go to a doctor and check it out. Now, I don't know if I spoke about this before. But, um, I didn't want to go to an allopathic Doctor Doctor, like a regular, you know, conventional doctor, just because, from what I heard, they don't do a thorough fiber test. Like, you know, you if you're the baseline, you're okay, you're, you're there's nothing wrong with you. But I know I knew better. So I went to the functional medicine doctor and got the thorough thyroid panel done. And he basically said, You have adrenal fatigue. And, you know, the symptoms that, you know, showed up and showed up in my life, like, for the longest time was low blood sugar. So I would think I would, you know, get dizzy after, you know, standing up and doctors took, you know, the test, and they're like, you have low, low blood sugar, nothing Terry 31:31 like, Okay, Elizabeth 31:32 and then low blood pressure. So all of that is low. So what ends up happening is when you're stressing out your body, and my, my doctor told me this, but you have these reserves, your adrenals basically sit there small glands that sit on your kidneys, right, and they're on the upper and upper abdomen. And what happens is, when you're when you get that stress your thyroid, you get low thyroid, and then what happens is you're you're stressing out your adrenals. And then you're, it's just basically depleting your adrenal and your adrenals are there to kind of keep you like energy and all of that stuff. So I was depleting everything. And not only was it because of the stress was because I thought, you know, doing the hard workouts, high intensity was, you know, was good. It was supposed to relieve your stress, right? If you do hard and high intensity workouts, while you're going through this, it's actually stressing your body even more, and that's why I was exhausted. So that is why when you get stressed out chronic stress Now I'm not saying you know, like the acute stress is that you can, you know, have ever known them. But if you have chronic stress day in and day out. And this has to do not only physically what you're doing to your body, but mentally what you're telling yourself, and that's why we were talking, what you say to yourself is, you know what ends up happening as far as actions go. So it really depleted in my body into where I literally had to get off of caffeine, and I'm still on caffeine. And I, you know, had to change my diet. I was, you know, I was on this other diet that it was so stupid. I was on that carnivore diet. It was stupid. It was like one of the things that I said, you know, somebody on Instagram was a lady. Oh, yeah, you know, I cured my bloating this or something like that, my IBS. And I'm like, Oh, well, I'm bloated. Maybe I could try that. It was stupid. Anyway, so um, the reason why I say that is because I was the nutrients you know, that I needed in my body that I actually wasn't digesting, either. So your digestion is, when you're stressed, obviously is not going to be on point because you're eating quickly. You're not you know, being mindful of what you're eating. So I was always eating in front of a, you know, computer, it's stressed out because my job was stressful, yada yada, yada. So your digestion is is not as poor. And so then I had to get you know, digestive enzymes and you know, all of this stuff. And finally, I was like, I was like, I was great afterwards. So what um, yeah, so what ends up happening is your stress levels can affect and does affect its product stress and don't get it, you know, checked out and astruc excuse me distract your hormones. So your thyroid and your adrenals all of those. It definitely takes a toll on them. Terry 34:33 So were you so were you diagnosed with hypothyroidism? it? 34:39 Oh, Terry 34:39 I you know, Elizabeth 34:41 I wasn't per se but it does go hand in hand because your thyroid and your adrenals are like brother and sister glands. So if you have hypothyroidism you for sure have adrenal fatigue or and then even worse adrenal, so there's adrenal fatigue and adrenal insufficiency and So again, if you don't get that adrenal fatigue checked out, chronic adrenal fatigue can lead to adrenal insufficiency, which I don't know if you guys have heard or maybe research, there's a thing called Addison's disease. And that is where, again, if it's a, you know, chronic it can get to that point to where you're just Terry 35:19 laying on the floor, you know, Elizabeth 35:21 you have nothing. I mean, you have nothing in you know, so yeah, there. I'm kind Terry 35:27 of there. And I have taken levothyroxine for probably 20 years. I mean, I, I quit taking it for about a year and a half, two years. I mean, I just took quit taking all of my medication, and then I lost a bunch of weight. And I don't know how big Well, I do. I did I wasn't eating junk, as much. Anyway, I was eating some but yeah. And then, and then I started taking it again. And I don't know, I am just exhausted all the time. I don't feel well, physically, I just feel I it's just, we're just at where and we're at work, we're kind of going through a hard time, you know, stay in on our diet. We tried, we tried to start eating plant based and trying to get back into that mode. It's like, you know, we had one bad day and then led to another one and another one. It's like, Oh, forget it thrown in the towel. I mean, what we can get back on it. But I am, I am definitely tired. I'm thinking I may need to go do the, Elizabeth 36:34 you do need to you do that test. I I recommend for anybody really, um, even at checkout kind of thing, because you don't know. And I, you know, I never knew that I was I had no vitamin D in me none. So it was, you know, obviously digestion and everything. So yeah, get that thyroid, you know, test into the full thyroid test? because that'll go through, I forgot what, you know, I'm not a practitioner. So I don't know exactly. You know, the difference of what they leave out, all I know is that there are certain things that kind of go deeper into your thyroid, and you know, checks a little bit. It, you know, more in the full thyroid panel. Terry 37:23 I'm gonna have to do that. That's, um, that's, um, that's on my list. I'm putting it at top. Elizabeth 37:28 Yes, do that. And just, you know, if you can't see a functional medicine doctor, that's fine. You can actually do it at home. But you know, there are I don't know, you know, offhand the best. You know, companies out there that do this, I know that there are some that are safe, that are very thorough. And I think, um, once you get that done, you definitely have to have it kind of, you know, go through with, like a practitioner or somebody even, you know, I can I do it too. As a health coach. I'm kind of, you know, walkthrough of what each, what each thing means. Okay, yeah, Terry 38:12 okay. Well, I'm doing it. I'm doing it. Don't laugh. What are you laughing? No, that's good. You need to do yeah. Elizabeth 38:21 And that's a good baseline, you know, it's understanding what is off. I mean, you can be, you know, either estrogen dominant and you don't know that you could, you know, again, have all these vitamins that you think that you're getting, because you're plant based and you're not, your digestion couldn't be off. So a lot of things that, you know, we think that we take for granted. We don't know, I think this This test will definitely open your eyes and tell you. Roy Barker 38:50 Okay, awesome. All right. Well, good. Well, I know we've run way over Elizabeth, so much. Yeah, no, I was gonna say, we, that's why we have had you back on again, because I think we ran we bumped up against some time last time. A couple things before we let you go. We we didn't really get to get the particular. So Terry, Terry told me that you had somebody on a special guest on one of your recent shows that we may know from a commercial that's out there. Elizabeth 39:25 Yeah. So next, actually, it's next Thursday. It's going to be released. So DC line, sir. So he is the second half of the duo group tag team. I don't know if you guys know back in the 90s. You know, weren't there it is. Yeah. Well, there. He's back and they're back for that Geico. Commercial scoop. There it is. Yeah, yeah. Terry 39:47 Yeah, I mean, every time Elizabeth 39:50 Yeah, that commercial gets you it's in a got you got me and so he's doing his rounds only because, you know, he has a great day. Like, thinking he's very inspirational. Okay, cool. Very. I mean, I couldn't stop listening, then he basically talked throughout the whole thing, because it was very inspirational. You know, like, kind of, like a do it attitude, you know, like, you can go through doing your selling, you can go through any adversity and get out the other side. So it's very inspirational. And you know, obviously what he's him and his partners doing. Yeah. So thank you for bringing that up. So June 3, which is Thursday, it will be released. Terry 40:40 Yeah, we can either. Oh, my gosh, I'm ready. Yes, yes. Then you are also, Roy Barker 40:46 I think this has been a little bit back in time. But you talk with one of our friends as well. Dr. Carol? Terry 40:51 activecare. Yes. Very. Elizabeth 40:53 Yes. She was a delight. I love talking with her cheated her knowledge. And we actually, you know, kind of had a great conversation, obviously, because we were under the same functional medicine paradigm. Right. So it was, like I said, I can talk about this all day. And so yeah, it was a great conversation. I think that's going to be released. A few weeks? I don't know off the top my head right now. But it is going to be released in June, though. Okay. Terry 41:22 Well, yeah, that's an inspiration just to hear about her combat and you know, being diagnosed with a brain tumor. Yes, having to relearn everything being in a wheelchair. And she said, she aged before her time, you know, when she was 15, she found out what it was like to be at, you know, Elizabeth 41:39 yeah, yeah. And again, that's the, that's the adversity that we have to think about when we, when we do go through our own stuff. And it's not to say that our own stuff isn't, you know, that we shouldn't care about it. But I think, you know, understanding the adversity and the, you know, that people go through, and how resilient we all are. And we can you know, and it's just how you think about things. Terry 42:08 So yeah, yeah, sharing and, and just being able to be inspired by other people's stories and knowing that you're not alone in this. Right. That's a big thing. Roy Barker 42:19 Yeah. All right. Well, before we get out of here, tell us also, what is a habit or tool, something that you've been using here lately, that really helped add value to your life professional or personal either one, Elizabeth 42:35 sitting on this bouncy ball? Oh, does it help with your posture? It houses my posture? Yes. I it's not one of those because I know they have one of those to where it has seating, you know, but this is an actual one that you can exercise. And I had it a long time ago. And I'm, you know, creating this office space and everything. And I gave my husband the the chair that I actually ordered for myself. I'm like, let me see if I can use this. And it's been I love it. I just, you know, I don't like when I do my work. I've had my music on and I'm dancing around and you're just you're moving? Yeah. So that's, that's something that's actually helped me kind of get through the day too. Roy Barker 43:16 Yeah, because I use I actually did that it's been years ago, but it actually helps your core and your balance. But I will say if you're not careful, you will get bucked off every now and then like this, I go like this, and I roll up. Oh, that's not good. Terry 43:34 Maybe we can get Is there a frame that you can put underneath that so it won't slip out? from under? Yeah, maybe, um, Elizabeth 43:41 if you do, then you don't grow. It's like it stays put then then you get to enroll. So you just have to be careful. That's all. Roy Barker 43:49 Alright. Well, Elizabeth, until everybody of course, how can they reach out to you? And then, you know, who do you like to work with? What can you do for them how they can reach out but also tell us about the podcast how they can find the podcast. Elizabeth 44:03 Okay, well, the podcast is the root of our health. And, you know, the audience really is women over 40. But I do have topics that anybody can listen to men, women, you know, any age, but there are some topics that you know, menopause that we speak about a lot, and just in general for women over 40. So it's an alternative health and wellness because that's, you know, who I who I am and what I love to do. So that's the podcast and they can get that, you know, Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, I believe it's on. So yeah, and my website so you can also get my podcasts on my website, which is Elizabeth DiCristofano.com. And so that's my website and my Instagram is Elizabeth.DiCristofano . No, you know, that's the handout. The other place I live on is LinkedIn. So if you can find me my first and last name, pull me up. Roy Barker 45:05 Okay. Yeah, we'll be sure to include all that. Sure. The spelling in the show notes form as well. Yeah. All right. Well, as usual, I'm going to thank both of you ladies for bringing me back here. I feel much better. Do you feel relieved? Yeah. Dawn, we can reboot this day and get on with it. Have a good day. Elizabeth 45:26 Good day. Good weekend. Long, guys. Yeah, yeah, Mom. Yes. Memorial weekend. holiday. Yes, yes. Roy Barker 45:34 All right. Well, yeah, y'all have a good weekend. There where you're at as well. And we appreciate you being back on so Terry 45:42 thank you, Elizabeth. As always, it's a pleasure. Roy Barker 45:46 So that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty Of course, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We are also on all the major podcast platforms iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, we are also a video of this interview will go up on YouTube as well and you can find us on all the major social media platforms. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Bye. 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Learn To Manage Diabetes Through Diet and Exercise, It Can Be Accomplished with Pim Jansson Are you a diabetic? Maybe borderline diabetic? We discuss how diet and exercise can help most control their blood glucose. When you have high blood glucose you are playing Russan Roulette with your body. Its no a matter of if you will damage your body, but more how fast and what organs are being damaged first and the worst. Its time to make some changes About Pim Pim is a Nutritionist MSc, a Certified Cravings Coach, and the founder of the Smart Diabetics Academy. For over 20 years she has been helping her clients get well with sustainable diet and lifestyle changes. Last year she decided to start focusing on helping type 2 diabetics who are struggling with blood sugar control no matter what they do, and those who cannot seem to be able to stick with a specific diet for any length of time. The three pillars of diabetes reversal are: real unprocessed foods that do not spike blood sugar, proper meal timing, and a healthy relationship with food. When the three are combined, magic can happen and diabetes and diabetic complications can be reversed. These are the easiest ways to get in contact with me: Email: Pim@smartdiabeticsacademy.com Join the Facebook Group: https://smartdiabeticsacademy.com/facebook Book a Complimentary Coaching Call: https://smartdiabeticsacademy.com/call www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Learn To Manage Diabetes Through Diet and Exercise, It Can Be Accomplished with Pim Jansson Sun, 5/16 5:03PM • 1:01:21 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, cravings, people, sugar, blood sugar, diabetics, spike, drink, happen, bit, ice cream, brain, diet, problem, insulin, day, carbs, thought, metformin, water SPEAKERS Terry, Pim, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:02 Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So we are chronicling our journey through wellness that includes diet, exercise, mindset, balance, energy, a lot of things that we have delved off into over the last six months having a bunch of great guests on so yeah, part of it is you know, just going through our journey what's up with us but from time to time we do have other professionals in the space on with us and today is no different. Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce Pim. Terry 00:34 Pim Jansson is a Nutritionist MSC, a certified cravings coach and the founder of the Smart Diabetics Academy. For over 20 years she has been helping her clients get well with sustainable diet and lifestyle changes. Last year, she decided to start focusing on helping type two diabetics who are struggling with food, blood sugar control no matter what they do, and those who cannot seem to be able to stick with a specific diet for any length of time. The three pillars of diabetes reversal are real, unprocessed foods that do not spike blood sugar, proper meal timing and a healthy relationship with food. When the three are combined, magic can happen and diabetes and diabetic complications can be reversed. Pam, thank you for coming. Welcome to the show. Pim 01:26 Thank you so much. Roy Barker 01:27 Yeah, I'm thinking, I'm thinking strike three. I'm out. So I'm just gonna step away from the mic. Terry 01:33 We're having one of those days. Yeah. Pim 01:38 Everyone does. Roy Barker 01:39 Yeah. Unfortunately, we string a bunch of hours together. Terry 01:44 Okay, sorry. Couple of weeks. Roy Barker 01:47 Yeah. Oh, yeah. So first off, tell us how you got here. I mean, how did you kind of, you know, find yourself in this space? Pim 01:56 Oh, I think. So. If I can go back, like way back, I think, yeah, I actually been thinking about this, because people keep asking me, I'm like, I don't know, I've always been interested in it. But when I was six years old, I, a new girl moved into the area where I live, and she was type one diabetic. So I think that that's where, you know, when you're aware of a disease that no one else has, because no one else had it. When I was a kid, I'm that Oh, yeah, it was a novelty was like what is that always the sugar sickness. So you start picking up on it there when I was a teenager, people all over the place started popping up with type two diabetes, which wasn't the same, but I didn't really know what the difference was at the time. But when you're aware of something, you kind of, like, if you speak about something, you keep seeing it everywhere. So I think I just started picking it up, because I knew what they'd be this was I knew her what my friend had to do, as she always walked around with this sugar tablets in her pocket, just in case you would pass out that sort of the things. So I think I've always picked up on diabetes. And that has probably sparked my interest with a diet as well. So I was always into diet, and always been interested in diabetics, but a little bit scared of it. Because it's so serious people actually die from that. Roy Barker 03:20 Yeah. And I think some of us that some of us that have been lucky to skate through even though we have it's not that bad. I guess I don't want to maybe we don't respect it enough or have the the proper amount of I don't know, we'll say fear. But we guess respect is it we just don't. You know, it's like, it's okay. We can start tomorrow Terry 03:45 until something happens, right? I mean, what what does it take? Yeah. Pim 03:51 normalize it. Everyone has it? So I'll be okay. Yeah. Terry 03:57 Yeah, there are medications for that, you know, Roy Barker 03:59 and we just watched they were watching something the other day that I mean, it just, you know, when they went through and listed all of the things, you know, it's, I think they're now referring to it as well, I guess they're referring to Alzheimer as type three diabetes, because it's such a precursor for it. But then what, and you can probably name them but loss of sight, loss of limbs. liver, I guess his liver kidney failure. Yeah. I mean, just there's nothing that that's good. Nobody. There's never anybody has never pointed out anything good. That's come from it. Pim 04:40 No, I think I can agree on that. And the problem is that, I mean, blood sugar, obviously, you have blood supply to your whole body. So when you have high blood sugar, it's gonna affect your whole body. Yeah. So it's just like a lottery. But what's going to fail first, unfortunately, yeah, that's very, very sad. Terry 04:59 And it's different. For everybody, I mean, nobody knows. Roy Barker 05:03 Exactly. Yeah, we were we were actually watched a good YouTube video not long ago that was talking about how part of the problem is to is that, again, you may can explain this much better. But it's like the, the, something that gets locked up in our muscles, the I guess the sugar or the the glucose gets trapped in our muscles and it doesn't release and then it kind of builds up like the, you know, it's somewhat toxic. Not only is it bad in its own right, but you know, then when you go work out, and you kind of release some of that, then you can feel like you have toxins and things running through your body too. Pim 05:44 Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. Actually, I know, we spoke about that before. And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna look into that. And then I didn't. But but it's very, very interesting. So I mean, I know why it would be locked up, because insulin is obviously a storage hormone. And what happens in type two diabetics is that before you get a deficiency of insulin, you are chronically high insulin for many, many years. So most type two diabetics probably probably have too much insulin, which means that you want your cells want one to release anything, whether that be glucose, or, or fat. So that's why diabetics often have fat, except for the liver that actually produces glucose, due to low blood sugar and kind of perpetuates the problem. So yeah, things are kind of going wrong. But why that toxic effect is that I'm not really sure. And I'm still gonna look into it. Terry 06:43 When you have a smart diet, smart diabetics Academy, so what do you when when somebody comes to you to talk about their type two diabetes? What? What's the process? What kind of process Do you go through? Pim 06:59 Okay, so most people who come to me then usually have already looked into a low carbohydrate diet, because that's what I'm working with. So I very rarely get someone who's on my standard American diet, just finding me. And then oh, maybe this is good. So what we do is we're kind of looking at what they are eating currently. And we try to tailor that to be a diet that doesn't spike the blood sugar. So the problem I see with many type two diabetics who tried to go low carb is that they misunderstand what a low carb diet is. They think it's just low carb, but also low fat. And that's never gonna end. Well. Yeah, to start. And then I see people, oh, I had a sip of orange juice, or I just had a cracker here. And the thing with those is that, yeah, they might just contain four, five or six grams of carbs. But it's really hard to count how many carbs are in a sip of orange juice, or how you react to a cracker because the wheat cracker that has been processed, can just spike your blood sugar, it's like everything goes out at once with it. And if you had had six grams of carbs from, let's say, a cold, bold potato, you wouldn't have got the same response. So we can't just count the carbs. As you know, I also focus on what sort of foods you're eating. So I don't recommend any diabetics to eat wheat, or sugar, or anything that is a very high glycemic index, those kinds of foods. Roy Barker 08:39 You brought up something as well about the, you know, kind of the combination of what you're eating, but also how much how many carbs you eat, and when you do it, because I know, sometimes when I've talked with people, and you know, this is something I've learned over time is that, you know, my doctor initially said, hey, look, I want you to stay between like 40 and 60. carbs, he wasn't like trying to, you know, put me down to zero, but stay within that range. But what what, you know, you find out over time is that you can't eat 40 carbs for your supper, you can do you know, all of them at one time, because then it's just like throws you way out of whack. You've got to try to spread those out over the day. And I would assume that the probably the more if you need to eat a lot, you eat more first thing in the morning, and that way you could kind of burn them off through the day. Is that correct? Pim 09:37 Yes, to some degree. So I recommend all my clients to not eat more than 10 grams of carbs per main meal. Because that way, you pretty much know what's going to happen with your blood sugar. It's very, very safe. As time goes along and the blood sugar comes down and stabilizes. Then we can start adding more carbs if they want to. It's completely up to them. But What we want to do initially is just get blood sugar stable, sometimes it's stable, but high because your body adjusts, and it has a higher setpoint for your blood sugar. So your body think that maybe 100 120 130 is normal, and it will strive to keep that level for quite some time. But when that stabilizes and goes down, then we can start experimenting with adding a little bit more if we want to, on average, how Roy Barker 10:27 long does that that little hangover there last? Is it like a week or a month? Or? Pim 10:33 I can't tell you because some people literally fix the blood sugar in a week. Other people, it might take two months. Roy Barker 10:42 Okay, so the only reason I asked is, you know, we have tried to eat more plant based. And it's, it's odd, because the one thing I've noticed about trying to be more plant based is very, very consistent, where, you know, when I was doing more what I would term low carb, our protein, I still would have wild spike, not wild, I guess. But you know, I can still have very predictable spikes. And, you know, it's funny because we used to, I could do good, like going to bed, you know, maybe I'd be at 125 110 or whatever. But when I would wake up in the morning, you know, I'd be in 161 at a time in that spike range. But one thing I noticed about this plant basis, whatever I went to bed with, I woke up with that the next morning, it's very strange thing. Pim 11:33 Yeah. Okay. Roy Barker 11:34 So Oh, I'm sorry, I but what I was gonna finish on that was what you were saying is that it was like I moved it to a certain point. And then it couldn't I couldn't get past that. But now it makes sense with what you're saying is that, well, maybe my mind has been at a certain level for so long that my body was trying to produce glucose to keep me up there. So maybe I could have just we should have just kept going a little bit. Pim 12:05 Somewhere, but is your level now? Roy Barker 12:08 Oh, my gosh, I don't even want to. I think I knew it would break the meter. Pim 12:14 Okay, where was it? When you were consistent with the Roy Barker 12:18 last times I was doing it? I was about 160 pretty consistently. Pim 12:23 Okay, so yeah, that's when you were eating more meat with your vegetables, etc. Roy Barker 12:29 Yeah, I was just up and down. I mean, I could be more in the 110s 120s. But then, like I said, in the mornings, I would notice a 161 80 was never much over 180 that would usually be the highest. Yeah. But it would happen in that morning. You know, when I got up and then, you know, as I went through the day, of course, I was able to lower it with movement and just watching what I was eating. Pim 12:58 Yeah, and you're not medicated. Roy Barker 13:02 Yes, I am. But you know, I'm on Metformin. But I just, you know, actually, I actually quit taking it because I just it wasn't, it doesn't help. It wasn't helping any. There was no difference in my blood sugar with or without it. And I had talked to the to my pharmacist about his, uh, you know, I was actually joking with him one day, I'm like, sometimes I think that Metformin was actually spiking my dad gum glucose levels because it just, you know, because I would take it later in the evening. I don't think I was taking it right. I should have been matching it up with my last meal, but I wasn't but you know, it's almost like it was spiking me up overnight. Yeah. Oh. Oh, hello, Pim. Terry 14:09 So and that was on the plant based right. What's that now? Oh, Pim 14:15 connection there. Terry 14:16 We we lost you when you were starting to talk about Metamucil Orman and then that was it. Pim 14:22 Okay. So let me start that again. Sorry about that. No, you're fine. My internet is a little bit rough. Sometimes we moved out to the countryside very recently. So I'm still learning what is going on here? Yeah. Roy Barker 14:35 Oh my God, we can give me an Amen. Oh my god. Pim 14:40 So Metformin is actually one of those drugs that should be able to deal with the high morning blood sugars. You might have heard about something called the dawn phenomenon, which is the home morning blood sugar. So what is happening is that you have a lot of hormones that obviously they have a circadian rhythm. So They will increase at certain times of the day or decrease, excuse me, and one of them is cortisol. And you will get some a little bit of adrenaline and those kind of things in the early morning to help you raise your blood sugar so that you wake up in the morning and you have energy to do whatever you need to do. The problem in diabetics is that they don't produce or they don't respond to the insulin that should counteract this to keep it at a normal level. So that's why you get this spike in the morning. If you were kind of 160 consistently with the plant based diet, you probably wouldn't notice it, because it's still it's already up. So that's probably why you see the swings when you go from a lower carb up to, you know, up to 160. But if that is kind of your max, and it then goes down, I would say that it's actually better if you can stay at 110 for the rest of the day. So for me should be able to help with that if you take Metformin in the evening, because what it does, it's what it has three functions, basically. So one of the functions is that it prevents the liver from No, it doesn't prevent, it kind of minimizes the amount of glucose the liver produces and secretes. So that's one of them. And the second one is it makes you more insulin sensitive. And then obviously, most, a lot of people taking Metformin get some sort of gastrointestinal problems. And that's because it doesn't reabsorb the sugar. So like literally goes through. And when you eat too much of it, it draws in a lot of fluid into your intestines. And that's why you might get a little bit upset at me. So I'm surprised that it didn't help you at all with the hi morning blood sugar as it really should have. But what you can try to do is shifting the time of your last meal and eat earlier so that you fasted for longer. For some people, if that doesn't help, you can try to maybe eat a little bit of protein right before bed like just some people take a tablespoon of peanut butter. Personally, I would probably go from less carbs in the protein and just, you know, half an acre or whatever, if you can do that. Roy Barker 17:19 Yeah, yeah, I've tried that, actually, to no avail as well. The other thing I was going to tell you that we were doing with the plant based as well was the intermittent fasting. So we would eat dinner, you know, like about six or seven. And then we weren't eating anything again until noon the next day. So it was to me, I think that fasting was good because I'm an I'm a night eater, and that is my problem spot. Is that nine or 10 o'clock at night, you know, I want to Well, I'll need anything, you know, we go up to go to Taco place, we can go to ice cream, we can get a candy bar, we could do popcorn and watch. Popcorn is my thing. So you know. And that to me, it's just a habit. That was a bad habit that I fell into. And then you know, now I kind of want that. And so what we've been trying to do say, I'm wanting that, I think because I feel like I need the energy. I feel like my body's running down. And so instead of just listening, it's like, Listen, go to bed, it's time to go to bed and get some sleep not get started Terry 18:29 do more stuff. He would get into bed and just start off all of these ideas. And I'm just like, Ah Pim 18:41 that's fairly common. The nightie thing so yeah, it's probably I don't know if you're doing it right now, but that's probably something that you want to cut out. Roy Barker 18:53 Yeah. Yeah. Pim 18:55 Yeah, go on. Roy Barker 18:56 No, I just gonna say that's one thing I think that the fasting helped with is just being on that regiment because I'm not, you know, there are those people that can buy the skinny cow ice creams and they can eat one of those little bitty sandwiches and life can be good for them and I'm not that way if I eat one of those on end six of them because they're just that good and they're small. So you know, I'm not the kind of person that can do a little bit I'm always better just total restriction and not having it Pim 19:31 Yeah, so yeah, I'm the same. And I've struggled with this for most of my life. You know, been working as you know, diet advice, a personal trainer, that sort of thing and giving other people advice and I could never really manage my own diet what I managed the food part really well. But sugar is my downfall. So anything would sugar would just go for it and I would need it after every dinner I had etc. so upset hear you. But there are ways of dealing with it if you are prepared to deal with, Terry 20:08 you have to seal off dinner with dessert. That's, Roy Barker 20:11 yeah, that's a funny thing. Because as a as a, as a younger person, I wasn't that way. It's only, you know, maybe the last five or 10 years, that it's like, okay, when we eat something, we need to follow it up with something sweet. I mean, like to the point of, I'd leave the house and go, you know, drive 15 minutes up the road to go get a candy bar or whatever. Yeah, Pim 20:38 I've done that. I know what it's like. It's not good news. But in that case, it sounds to me like, because I can remember, like, one of my first memories was from when I was like, six years old or something, and climbing to find the cookies that my mom had hidden in the cupboard, because she knew I would eat them if I knew that they were there. So I just have a few so that she wouldn't notice. And I think I got away with it. But she's never said anything, are you. So in your case, it might just actually be that it's a really bad habit that you've gotten used to, and that you can actually easier than most of my clients and myself reverse that kind of thought process and your behavior and make it something different. If you want it, Terry 21:27 how do you? How do you do that. Pim 21:30 So I use a few things. So one of the things that you want to do so you have, I usually talk about the reptilian brain, which is like the lower brain or the brain that just reacts on instinct, and that is the one that wants you to eat. It's the one that is on autopilot. So when you teach it something, whatever it is, it will learn that and you won't have to think about it. And that's why all those six mini ice creams disappear without you thinking about it. Because you have learned that that is a really good thing for you, it gives you a huge reward in the reward center in your brain. It just lights up like a Christmas tree. And life is joyous and fun. Everything is great until after you finish them. And the same thing, when you brush your teeth, you don't really think about it, because that's also program. So we need to take control with the prefrontal cortex, which is the part of the brain that is doing all the planning or the logical stuff. So if you say that, I want to stop doing this behavior, and I'm going to do it this way, then you need to let your prefrontal cortex be in control because as soon as it is engaged, the other part is going to take over. And it's just going to be like, Oh, we've got six ice creams, here, I'm gonna eat them all. And you just go and do it. No problem. Same thing, when you go shopping, you're so used to going to the shopping aisle where you find that special chocolate or that freezer with ice cream or whatever it might be. So you need to make a conscious decision to start with. But then when you get the craving. So I don't know if you heard about the habit loop. So it's literally you get something triggering you whatever that is. So it might be going to the shopping mall or the supermarket or it might be having dinner. So I can relate to this one. Yeah, I know you can as well. So having dinner, for example, would have been my trigger. As soon as I had dinner, that would create a thought in my head, like, Oh, where's my dessert? Now I need something sweet or something like that. Along those lines. There's nothing dramatic or strange about it. And then because I have that thought, I think, no, I need to go and get something sweet, because that's what I was thinking. So we need to kind of interrupt this habit loop somewhere. And the trigger is always going to be there. Because you can't stop eating dinner, you're going to have to eat. So what you need to do is when you notice that you have this thought I need something, that's where you need to interrupt in this case. So what I choose to do is observing what's happening. So the best thing, I don't have it here, but I usually show when I have a diary where I just write down this is what I was thinking, this is how it feels in my body. So for me, it's usually I start salivating. Some people get like attention in the whole body almost shaking was, like fascinating to me. And they might get like tension in the solar plexus or something like that. And then you kind of observing it from the outside rather than being emotionally involved in the whole process, which means that it's really easy for you to just, when you write it down, it's like it's just words, and it's almost like it's not about you anymore. But when you do that you can kind of look at the craving and like what is that it's kind of a non event. Yeah, it's just there. It's It's nothing and I don't need to do anything. So I choose to do nothing because that's very easy to easy to do. It's the most practical thing to do. Some people might choose to respond to it differently, they might get and drink a glass of water, walk around the block, do some push ups, whatever it is, as a response to these thoughts and these physical signs that they get. And that way, interrupt it and start doing something else. Roy Barker 25:16 You just replace it with something else. Pim 25:18 Exactly. So in my case, I want to replace it with doing nothing because I don't want to respond to my cravings. And the cravings will still be there, but I will. It's like, they just kind of fly by like this. And I see them but I don't react to them anymore. So I know that they're there. Yeah, but I'm not reacting to them anymore. Roy Barker 25:36 So you know, it's funny you say that about the reptilian the reptilian brain because it's, it's, it's hard for people to understand unless they have this feeling. But sometimes it's almost like, you know, you get the snack, you eat it. And then after a while, you're like, Oh, I just had a snack. And why did I go do that? And, you know, when we when we first started fasting, it was kind of a funny thing. We were sitting here doing some stuff one night, I actually got up went to the kitchen, and I opened up this bag, and it was a good snack. Actually, it was a we call those dried chickpeas. Yeah, as some dried chickpeas. But you know, I had my hand open them had my hand in the bag, and pulled out a handful before it snapped, like, Hey, I'm fasting. I'm not supposed to be eating. I was able to put them back. But, you know, it was just, I think it's just it. But it demonstrates what an unconscious act that truly was. There was no thought in it. It was just like I was programmed. And didn't give it any thought to walk over there and find something to eat. Pim 26:47 Yeah, and then you should actually take a step back from there. What triggered you to do that? Roy Barker 26:52 Yeah, it was just boredom. Yeah, yeah. Because we kind of talked about it after that, you know, we were sitting around, I was doing something I just needed a break, I needed a reason to get up and walk away. And, you know, that's what I've used that for, you know, I think for all these years, it's a break. Or if something's getting difficult, sometimes you need to step away and think about it for a moment. So go get snack, and Pim 27:18 and that's the thing, I never thought that I was an emotional eater. So for me, I looked at people emotional eating, that was people that they were eating when they were upset, or, you know, sad or being bullied or whatever. But that's not me. But I'm eating when I want to procrastinate. And when I'm bored, yeah, those are my two emotional triggers. And when I kind of realized that those are emotions of od, I'm actually an emotional eater, and I didn't know Terry 27:49 you're paying with the rest of it. Roy Barker 27:52 It's hard, because I feel like I'm all of those. Because if it's happy, sad, won't be a celebration, hey, let's run up to the Mexican food restaurant and get something to eat or Terry 28:03 while you're fascinating, Roy Barker 28:05 yeah. Or if you had a bad day, if I go, let's go get some. So yeah, but it's the other thing. It's, it hasn't helped me a whole lot. But a couple things I've realized about myself though, is that going out to eat is a celebration. And you know, the last time we went out we had Mexican food we we set out on the patio and we ate we left and we felt bad. And I was just telling Terry that I only wanted to go up there for the celebration to sit out on the patio to get some fresh air for us to talk to be away from the house. And you know, I said we what we need to do is learn to be able to go and do that and just make healthier choices. While we're there. I mean, they those people have, you know, grilled chicken, they have taco salad, I mean, there's all sorts of healthy choices. You don't have to eat all the chips and tortillas that they bring you but you know again, it's like when you get there it's like when you get there it's the habit the habit takes over. And so you know I told her next time we do that we're really gonna have to think hard on the front end before we get there like this is what we're ordering. We're telling them no chips, we're ordering some chicken or you know, salad lettuce, whatever he to me, but just be very, I guess, planned. And not only planned, but just kind of diligent of sticking to it. Pim 29:38 Yeah, and that's something that before I'd started working with diabetics, I was working with food addicts and emotional eaters, so we using a lot is planning so if I have massive cravings today for something, I never allow myself to get into those cravings. But what I can do is plan to have it tomorrow when tomorrow comes A First of all, I've trained my brain to let my own prefrontal cortex be in control, which is a really good thing, because a lot of the time, we don't really want to do that because it's uncomfortable. And then when tomorrow comes, I might not really want that thing anymore. Yeah, in the beginning, I would eat it just because I had said that I could eat it, whether I wanted it or not. But at some point, you can realize, we do a lot of, you know, being present when you're eating actually tasting it, how far, how much can you eat of that food before it actually doesn't taste good anymore. Because this thought, for me is about three, four bites. It tastes really good. And then it just tastes like sugary and it doesn't have that appeal anymore. And at that point, you really should stop there. So when you do that, you can kind of get away from it. But as a diabetic, you might also have to include what sort of food choices you should we make? Because you can't just say yes, tomorrow, I'm gonna have three tubs of Ben and Jerry's ice cream, because that's terrible for your blood sugar. Yeah, so you in your case, you can still obviously do that. Roy Barker 31:08 Well, so that's easy. That's easy for me. I can say no, Ben and Jerry's because we have Blue Bell. So. Pim 31:17 So I don't know blue about Roy Barker 31:21 it's, it's like, very creamy. It's if you had that you wouldn't, he would shun Ben and Jerry's from now on. So Pim 31:30 I don't even want to try it. Roy Barker 31:33 But well, so it brings up an interesting point, because I feel, and I let Terry, you know, sometimes we think of ourselves different than what we really are. But I feel like I'm pretty resolved. In most areas, make a decision stick with it. I don't feel that wishy washy about stuff. But it's like with food. I cannot get that. Just that resolve, because it's funny, you know, you say you will put it off? Well, I will probably have an internal argument, one, put it off till tomorrow, when we could just run up there and get it today. And I will sit there and talk myself in you know, may try to put up a quick defense, but then not just like run over it and be like, whatever, we're gonna go do it. It just it it's kind of you know, it's a little bit aggravating. And it's a little bit embarrassing, because it's like, why can't I have just a tiny, tiny bit of self control when it comes to food like that. Pim 32:37 So that's your lower brain is always going to put up a fight. I mean, even when you're done this for a very long time, occasionally, it will just you will have that nagging here now, maybe you should just do that, and maybe a little bit, Terry 32:51 the angel and the devil. Pim 32:52 Yes, absolutely. So that's always going to happen because you have this pathway in your brain. And it's always going to be there, we can't erase it, the only thing we can do is create a new pathway in the brain where you react differently. And the more times you're doing it, the stronger that pathway is going to be. So the more likely you're going to do that on autopilot. But as soon as you want to, if you've really, you know, if you're really upset, or whatever it is strong emotions that you want to escape from, you are going to want to just revert back to the strong pathway that has been threaded for many, many years. And that's where you need to not focus so much on I can't have this because when you tell yourself, I can't have this, you just I want it. So instead, like try to focus on, I want to be in control. And if what you doing the only thing you're committing to, is to always plan 24 hours ahead. That is your commitment. Your commitment is not not eating the food and commitments only to do that. And if you can get that program into your brain that I am going to be in control, I can have whatever I want. But I'm committed to always planning 24 hours ahead, and you can follow that you're going to be pretty safe. Okay. Terry 34:20 That may be exactly what we need to do. Because sometimes it's just like off the cuff, you know, Pim 34:25 yeah. And I'm going to tell you, I have found so many times, most of my clients have failed so many times and I had a client recently, just because you said it and we plan she was going to go on holiday. She's like, yeah, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna have one meal with the suit and blah, blah, blah. And then the day after we spoke Is that why should I wait? And she just went off rails. I didn't hear from her for two weeks. She just been eating badly for two weeks. And there's something this happened to a lot of People and it's not that you're weak or anything, it's just that the lower brain is taking over. And you don't know how to handle that. And we need to make those mistakes, I think along the road, you need to fall off the wagon a certain amount of times before you get there. Because that pathway is not strong enough yet, the only thing you need to focus on is that for every single time you make the right choice, and you can allow the craving to be there and not just push it down, that would be stronger. And you will be one step closer to not reacting the wrong way, if you like, unlike saying the wrong way, but the way that you Roy Barker 35:36 will prefer no more healthy in a more healthy manner. Yeah, Pim 35:39 exactly. So we need to celebrate the wins every time you can allow the craving, you can see it fly by, like, that's a win, that's one step closer, are you gonna have to do that many, many times. And along that way, of course, you do not fail every now and then. Roy Barker 35:58 So what about the importance of both water and exercise in this because I don't notice it as much lately, but used to I would notice, if I got out took a little walk after dinner or after I ate, you know, I could tend to drive my, my sugar down, it would be better. Now sometimes. After reading this the other day, sometimes Now I understand why there may actually be a little bit of a spike, you know, after that if I push too hard. And if it depends, like if it's just a walk, it'll usually go down. But you know, maybe going to the gym, I might actually drive it up just a little bit, but talk about the importance of both water and exercise. Pim 36:40 Okay, let's start with the exercise. So what you have observed is absolutely true. So when you're walking, you're not using a lot of energy. So your body's not going to see that as some sort of stress. So you're just going to use up the sugar that is in your blood, which is brilliant. If you have a problem controlling your blood sugar after eating, you can just go for a walk and it will go down quicker. The more intense exercise is a stress on the body and your body perceives that as we need energy, we need a lot of it now. So we labor will start releasing a lot of sugar to make up for what you're going to use. So this is completely normal. It happens in everyone, obviously, again, as a type two diabetic is going to be hard if you're not exercising as hard and what as long, it's going to be hard to kind of go down to baseline quickly. Maybe for some people it does, but not for everyone. So what you can do is if you go for a hard workout is that you've just added with like 20 minutes walking or something so that you don't stop pure exercise just then go lay on the sofa. Okay. Yeah, you want a bit of a cooldown period to just clear the blood, and that's going to go there. So this is not dangerous spiking, I wouldn't say because what you do is your muscles are also using a lot of sugar, which is great because then they have the capacity to suck it up from your blood and help you stabilize your blood sugar long term. So both intense and low intensity exercise both are important and can be used so I wouldn't say like Don't be scared of going for intense exercise. Just make sure that if it stays up for more than a couple of hours, you probably have a problem. But if it goes down again, you're probably fine. Okay, so I didn't know how long it stays up for you when you do. Roy Barker 38:37 Yeah, no, no, I'm not that crazy. You know, I'm not when I get on the way it's it's not like you know, Terry 38:44 he is crazy. Roy Barker 38:47 You know, it's just not like that intense but I can just tell the difference between the walking and you know, doing some weightlifting but what I think now that you mentioned that maybe what I should do is split my walking easily I walk to warm up and then do the weight lift and then go home. So maybe now just split it walk a little bit before do the weights and then walk a little bit after and that might help. Pim 39:10 Yeah, I think that sounds like a good plan. With regards to the water, I'm not so I mean, being dehydrated is obviously not a good thing. If you are struggling with a lot of high blood sugar, you're probably going to be more thirsty because you want to dilute all your fluids so that the concentration of sugar isn't as high and obviously then you're gonna weed out and etc. But I when I was studying for my degree in nutrition, we had a kidney specialist and he was them. He was telling us that we are actually over drinking and we should start listening more to our bodies when we are thirsty. Interesting. Ah. So I think For some people, that signal doesn't necessarily work correctly. And that might be a problem. But forcing water down when you're not thirsty, and if you, if that just leads to you having to go weird out straight away, you're probably over drinking. So listen to your body, and also see how it reacts when you're drinking, so that you kind of get a balanced because when you go to, you know, when you just flush it out, you're going to get rid of a lot of electrolytes and other things that might eventually give you a headache or whatever. So, yeah, okay. Yeah. I think, Roy Barker 40:40 yeah, that's funny, because, you know, I guess here the mandate is, like, my eight glasses a day. So it'd be like, I think four bottles of water, you know, is about what they say the recommended intake is, but I have seen, and we just saw something the other day that they were talking about percent of body weight. And of course, you know, for somebody like myself, that's heavy, or the amount of water that, you know, they were suggesting was just Terry 41:15 was crazy. No way it would be drinking up to sundown. I Roy Barker 41:19 mean, it would be like, I don't know, I sit down, I figured it out. But it's like 10 or 12 bottles of water one day, and I was like, wow. Yeah, I mean, that's you could almost drown yourself drinking that much. Pim 41:29 Yeah, I mean, thinking that much, it's actually not great for you. And as I said, you could get salted deficient, which could lead to cramps and other problems in your body that you don't necessarily want to deal with. And that's, I'm the opposite to you. And that's why I actually remember that this kidney doctor was saying this. Because if I drink, let's say, how many ounces would that be? Three to four per day is kind of my normal, unless it's really hot outside. And that's it. And I have been like that my whole life. And I told you about my diabetic friend we used to spend, because she moved after a few years, and she moved out to the countryside. So I used to be there for a few weeks every summer. And her parents phone, my parents to ask if I never drank anything, because they were really worried about me. And that was, you know, 35 years ago, or whatever. And I still don't have any problems with my kidneys. So I'm doing fine. And I've never been a big drinker. But I'm trying to listen to my body. But if you're someone who's always like drinking soda, and everything has to be flavored, you probably want to try and get off of that and learn to drink water. Roy Barker 42:44 Yeah, and that's me, I just, I don't like the water. It's not my first choice. because like you said, I'd rather have you know, coffee in the morning, and then maybe a soda. And I've even tried the, you know, the flavor packets, and that works for a little bit. But then it's like, again, back to the soda. It's almost like a treat, especially if I'm not eating sugar. That's like the one little treat I get, and then No, he drink one in the afternoon today. And then next, you know, by the end of next week, it's like now I'm drinking three in the afternoon. But the one good thing is we she does buy those, like a half a bottle of Coke. So it's not like the big tall 16 or 20 ounce or which it's good for somebody like me because there was a time. This has been years ago, maybe 1010 years ago or so. I can't even tell you how many because I'd have two or three of those big 44 ounce drinks from the local drive in I might have two or three of those during the day and then have four or five cokes you know out of the refrigerator at home it's It was crazy Oh my gosh. But I just saw you know and I got in the habit of always having to have a drink in my hand either at home if I'm in the car especially if I'm in the car I've got to have something to you know drink and I just need to make that switch to need to make it and stay on water it's just hard I can do good for a while and then you know I kind of start falling off of it because I just don't like it that much. Pim 44:20 So what about if you only have water in your car? That's gonna be good but Roy Barker 44:25 no that's what I've that's what I've done before is just said look, no, you know, no more soda pops or anything like that. You just have to have waters the only choice and it's, it works. It's just disappointing. Pim 44:41 Yeah, and that's where you can work on the cravings and just allowing them to be there like this. No big deal. Actually, why do I need that? But if you feel like I you just kind of slowly want to wean off. You could just maybe decide that if I'm going to drink a can of soda I need to before I'm allowed to do that I need to drink the equivalent amount of water. Yeah. So you drink the water first and then you get your soda? Roy Barker 45:05 Yeah, yeah, I like that. Definitely need to do that and do that with coffee in the morning, too. You know, I, I'm, I'm just all over the place, I'll get in a good run, and you know, like, get up and drink a bottle of water. First thing in the morning, before we have the coffee. And then, you know, I think we'd actually tried that for a while was to, you know, have a cup of coffee and then have a bottle of water have half a bottle in between. So just but again, this is the bigger, you know, issue with me is the consistency because I can do that for a day or two, maybe even a week or two. It's the week, you know, it's the week six 810 12. You know, those those, that's what I just seem to struggle with so much. I mean, when I it's not like I can just fall off the wagon. I mean, I fall off and get run over by the thing. Pim 46:01 I know a few people like that. So then you have to ask yourself, what is happening when you're falling off? Like, why does that happen? Roy Barker 46:12 Yeah, you know, Terry 46:13 dress, Roy Barker 46:14 yeah, probably that build up of just stuff. And, you know, that's, to be honest, I guess we're gonna be honest here. We'll put it all out there, even though we're kind of over on time, but it's, you know, I have been searching for, you know, what is going on? Because I can tell you, I could write a book on how to do this stuff. I know how to do it. I don't know how to do it, right. But I just don't. Or we do it good for a week, you know, I think we can easily make what, two, three weeks, we'll do very well. And then stop. I mean, it's and it's not always bad stuff. I mean, like, you know, at the end of the year, we were doing good. Really good. And then Terry was gone for about two or three weeks, it just kind of upset the rhythm of things. So it was easier for me to, you know, swing by the hamburger place and get a hamburger because I don't cook. So anyway, it just kind of upset the rhythm, you know, then I fall off and it's not her fault. Please don't take it that I'm Terry 47:19 never leaving. Roy Barker 47:22 I'm not blaming her. I'm just saying it's a it's an upset and the pattern, the rhythm. And then. And then I don't know, I think other thing, other times it's been that things just seem to build up. It's almost like, maybe the not having the stuff is what builds up that pressure to where you just have to go like get something to eat, you know? Terry 47:44 Yeah. And I'll try to, you know, not bring, not bring home, anything snacky you know, just Whole Foods, especially with us trying to do this plant based diet. Just try not to try not to and of course, one of the first things that I'm asked when I come home, got anything snacky Roy Barker 48:07 you know, I go up or unload the groceries or I can look through the Terry 48:12 truth comes out. And Daddy, we're being chivalrous. Roy Barker 48:19 I want to see want to see what, what goodies. Yes. It's Pim 48:27 sorry. No, no, no. But that's probably because you're using willpower to not do it. So what I was saying that when we suppressing your cravings with willpower, they're going to come back with a vengeance. And that happens to everyone. So if you imagine like trying to, if you had like a beach ball or something, you're trying to push it on the water, if you let go of that, it's just going to explode and come back up. And that is exactly what is happening. When you're like, No, I'm not gonna have I'm not gonna have that I'm not allowed to have that. I'm not not not not. But instead actually do the thing that I told you. What, what, what's the trigger? What was I thinking? And how does that feel in my body if you write that down. So I like having two commitments that one of them is to plan 24 hours ahead. And the other one is to always write down everything that with regards to your cravings. And me included and pretty much all my clients have a resistance to writing it down. We do it three times. And then we think I can do that in my head and then never works. Now, you really need to actually have pen and paper write it down so that you can look at it for some reason it works. But if you try to do it in your head, it's like whatever. And it doesn't really work. Roy Barker 49:42 Well now be good time for me to start that because, you know, journaling is the same way, you know, over the years I have fits and starts with doing it and this time, you know, I think it's been three months pretty much Yeah, you've been really good. I've been consistent at least getting a page down. So now I'm not be the time to to try that again. Terry 50:02 And while you're I mean, we've been incorporated meditation and to some everything that we've been doing over I don't know how long a month month, five weeks Pim 50:13 looks good. But the thing is that it doesn't need to take you long it takes a minute. You just write down. This is what happens. I ate dinner. I was thinking I need to have something. I felt salivation in my jaw. Five seconds later, the craving was gone. Let's say it doesn't have to be complicated. It's super simple. You just need to get it. Roy Barker 50:41 Right it mine's gonna be had dinner. And why can't I talk? tyrian to go into the ice cream. Cheese. Terry 50:50 Do you think we need to go down and get some ice cream or chocolate bar? Do you need a chocolate bar? I'll go get you one. Roy Barker 50:59 Good, good. It was, I guess was it Friday night? Thursday or Friday night. I was just like, dead. And I was like, let's get an ice cream. And she's like, let's just think about that for a little bit. And she never said no. But she finally pushed me off until it's like once bedtime now it's like Pim 51:19 well done. Yeah. Terry 51:21 I'm not always like that. Because I can cave with. With the best mom, you know? Pim 51:27 I'm sure most people do. Yeah. Yeah. Roy Barker 51:31 Well, we're gonna try that we're gonna, we're gonna plan. And I like that. Nothing. We're gonna play in 24 hours. So it's not that we can't have something. It's just if we really want it. It'll be on tomorrow's menu. Yeah, and write down those feelings that are around when those cravings really pop up. Pim 51:50 Yeah. Awesome. Roy Barker 51:53 That's a great idea. All right, I can commit to that. I can commit. Good. Terry 51:57 Thank you. Pim 52:00 I love helping people with this. It's so simple. And still we have so much resistance actually doing it. So it's not easy to achieve. But it's really simple to do. Yeah. Roy Barker 52:10 What do you have any other any other tips you want to leave on? No, we're way long. But do you have any other tips you want to leave us with? Before we get out of here Pim 52:18 might just if you are struggling with you know, emotional eating or any thing of that kind, the first step is always to be aware of what's going on. So start kind of being honest with yourself about what's going on in your head, and try to find those thoughts. Because sometimes we don't even we're not even aware that we have them. And they never fancy. It's just like, I want chocolate. So what's that? Yeah, we don't know why we happen. We just happen. It's our brain is just trying to get us into it. So start there. And then take the next step from there. Roy Barker 52:53 Okay, good advice. So do you have a Is there a tool or a habit that you use in your daily life, it could be professional or personal, it's just something that you do that adds a lot of value to your day. Pim 53:09 My best tool is what I just taught you actually, that adds a lot of value. Because when you can, when you're not emotionally engaging in those cravings, you, you have a different focus, and you get so much more energy and you get so much more done, because you can focus on what you're doing, rather than thinking about food. 24 seven. So that's actually my best tip. I've tried, you know, with morning journaling, breathing exercises, all those kind of things that might help. But in the end of the day, if I have food cravings and thinking about food all day long, I'm so inefficient. Roy Barker 53:47 Yeah, you know, I think the breathing you bring up too, because we just talked to somebody the other day, this was more about stress management. But that's another thing I think it might be a good thing to try is when you really have those cravings, just to step back and take a you know, two or three deep breaths before you write it down. Because that's something I'm finding with them. The more I get into meditation, it's that breathing in the control of that it just for me, personally, it's very grounding, and kind of read centers made to get, I guess, to get my mind right and start thinking about, you know, the way I need to be thinking and not be all emotional or crazy about stuff. So Pim 54:29 yeah, it allows you to take a step back and use your rational part of the brain to actually engage. So that's awesome. Our reptilian brain must be huge. Not really. Like programs everything and then Roy Barker 54:46 place it on repeat. It must outrank my other party. I don't know. I'll have to get it under control. All right, you can tell everybody you know Who do you like to work? With How can you help them? And then of course, how can they reach out and get a hold of you? Pim 55:05 Okay, so typically, I'm actually working with people who wants to be on a low carb diet, but this struggle to stay on track because of cravings. And usually they've been doing this for years before they come to me, because we are optimists. And we think that we can do it when we're going to crack it the next time, the next, etc. But that doesn't happen. So I work with both type two diabetics now, and people who are not type two, so I'm actually working with both. But if you're a type two diabetic, we always start with the diet and start with that. And then we move on to, you know, working on the mindset or the the mind work to rewire your brain so that you don't respond to the cravings that way. And that's, that's what I see that's, that's where everyone fails, no matter what diet you're on, you will fail if you are an emotional eater, if you're a food addict, and if you respond to these cravings, and that's 90% of the population. So if you have ever thought failed a diet you are going to have to work on, if you want to change your diet. If you happen to eat the way you do, then God bless you. And I hope that you're doing well with what you're eating. And so yeah, um, any sort of food addiction, I don't work with people who have like binge eating disorders, and that's kind of psychological thing on more, I'm a coach. So I'm working with people who want to change. And even you might think that you can't do it. Like me, I never thought I can do it. But I'm actually in control. Now. I'm not 100% sugar free myself, yet. I'm still working on my mindset a bit to get there. But I have come such a long way. And it's so rewarding to be with help others and some of my clients, I think they're much better than me. But there you go. So yeah. If you want to kind of discuss with me whether you want my help, or just want to ask something, and whether I can help you with like a specific condition, or whatever it is, is probably best if you want to book in for a free call with me. And you can do that at smart diabetics academy.com/call. And if you just have a small question for me, you can send me an email at Pim@smartdiabeticsacademy.com, or I also have a Facebook group for diabetics. I'm gonna admit I'm not super active. I'm there. I'm there every week, I do answer every question. But I might not check in every day and the group is still kind of small. But if you want to come in there, you want to ask questions, I will answer them. So you can find me there as well. And that smart diabetics academy.com/Facebook, super simple. Terry 57:51 It's hard to keep up with all that. Social media media. Pim 57:55 Yeah, I prefer to speak to people because if I have five minutes with someone, I can help you more than I can help someone one, you know, during an hour trying to make it in text on Facebook or something. It's, it's, it's a very, very weird way of communicating. When you're working, especially when you're working with emotions, you need to kind of speak to someone and see their reaction and kind of throw that ball back and forth a bit. So Roy Barker 58:22 it's not that I like that approach to I'm like you I'd rather talk and Well, most issues, pick up the phone, get it done, like, back and forth. Yeah, yeah. Pim 58:32 It's so much more efficient. So even if you don't, I mean, I really do want to help like everyone. So even if you think I may maybe not help pay for a coach or whatever, if you still think, you know, I might be able to help you in 10 minutes book, a call is fine. Okay, it doesn't matter. You don't, you're not signing up for anything. It's just, if I can talk to you for 10 minutes and make a difference. I'm happy. And I have had clients like that. Even a guy he came back after six months. And he said, You know how we talked before. And I couldn't get a handle on this. After we spoke, I haven't touched sugar or bread at all. And I don't know what happened during those 14 minutes that we spoke, something clicked and he just he could just do it on its own. And in that case, you wouldn't even have needed me. And I know that he couldn't hire me at a time because he was about to lose his job. But then he came back and he just said, Hey, do you have paper? I'm gonna give you $50 Okay, thank you. Sometimes you just eat, you know, all you need is half an hour. And that can actually change your life or you don't need a coach ongoingly so Roy Barker 59:41 that's another great example of paying it forward and just put it out there and it comes back to you. So yeah, I appreciate that. Pim 59:48 Very much. Awesome. I mean, I appreciate his $150 coming into my account, sure, but even more so just that he got back to me and he let me know that actually This conversation that we had, it changed my life. And that's like, I get goosebumps all over my arms when I hear like, Oh my god, I did it. Yeah, without doing much. He just needed that little switch in his brain. And that's so awesome. Terry 1:00:14 Well, that was a lot. Yeah, that was a lot. Roy Barker 1:00:16 Yeah. All right. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day. And we'll be sure to include all the websites and everything in the show notes. But yeah, y'all reach out to him. If you need some help, we're going to take her advice. She's a good role model for us. So we're gonna try the journaling and the scheduling, and see what kind of a difference we do it. Terry 1:00:39 We will report back. Yep. Pim 1:00:41 Thank you so much. I'm pleased to report back and reach out if you need any more support or help in that regard. And I'll be happy to talk if we're so appreciative. We really appreciate it. Roy Barker 1:00:52 Yeah. Thanks. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty Of course, I am Roy. You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major podcast platforms as well as all the major social media platforms. video of this interview will go up on our YouTube channel when we release it as well. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of those around you www.smartdiabeticsacademy.com www.feedingfatty.com
Is Intermittent Fasting A Good Idea For Diabetics? There Are Two Sides To The Story with Terry and Roy There are two sides to every story. Of course Feeding Fatty suggests you do your own research and always seek out medical professionals before starting new routines or programs. Intermittent fasting has worked for some and may not be the best for others. Intermittent fasting may help control inflammation & may even lower the risk of heart disease type two diabetes & some cancers. About Terry and Roy After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits. And implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism), losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it's not just counting calories and cutting out sweets www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Is Intermittent Fasting A Good Idea For Diabetics There Are Two Sides To The Story with Terry and Roy 00:00:15 Roy Hello and welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is Roy, of course we are the podcast that Chronicles our journey through eating, trying to eat, right, eat more healthful, more thoughtful eating, trying to get out, move every day and also mindset. It's funny, I think as we go through this in the beginning, it was more about what were eating and I think we have shifted a lot of this, more to mindset just with the realization that to, in order to make sustainable change, we have to get our minds right. And to be ready. And, 00:00:50 Terry All signs were pointing to the mindset, every time we thought, okay, well, we're going to try this other, we'll do it for a day or two or a week or whatever. Then, got to figure out what's what is sustainable for us. 00:01:05 Roy So, today we wanted to talk about diabetes. We release our, interview episodes with professionals and others stories in the industry. On Tuesdays on Thursdays, we've kind of been focusing a lot on diabetes because I struggle with that and, trying to keep my sugars in control and it's very difficult, especially the older you get and the more sedentary you are. So, anyway, we found a good article. I'll let you start into it if you want there. Yeah. This. 00:01:35 Terry From KSAT, it's the, at an ABC affiliate in San Antonio and they, it was an article just said is intermittent fasting, right for you. We've been seeing a lot that intermittent fasting could be good for people with diabetes. It might be a positive thing for them to help them reverse it because that it is reversible, but you have to eat your way to it, Right. I don't. 00:02:08 Roy Know. It's asked your way to it. Yeah. I think this article brings up some questions and again, before we go too far, we are not doctors. We don't pretend to be, we don't IX dispense advice. We always ask, that if you're going to start something new or different, go to your doctor, go to a nutritionist or a registered nutritionist, find somebody that's really trained for this because we're not, we have, we've been trying this intermittent fasting, not, I don't know, for the last few months it seemed more or less, and we've had varied results. I, at the very beginning, it was, my sugars were a lot more stable. Here lately, they've been way high and much more out of control. I don't know if it's some other stuff, I know there was one, a specific piece of food that I was eating that I thought was, no to low carbs and was actually pretty high in them. 00:03:11 Roy That was just a mistake that I had made. But, reading through this, because we've heard evidence from a lot of people that the fasting is good because it lets our body have time to recover, 00:03:24 Terry Digest and do what it needs to mechanically, ? And it counts, I mean the hours count while you're sleeping. So it's not as high. It's not as bad as it sounds, but if, we go from like 7:00 PM at night until noon the next day, right there, 00:03:43 Roy There's some people that just do from seven at night to seven in the morning. That's where a doctor I think could help you kind of dial in what's right for you. But, the thing is like your body is always working to digest. The other part of that's good, I think is like, I'm a night eater. After seven o'clock, it's good for me to be done instead of, like nine, 10 o'clock instead of looking for a snack or wanting to go, get an ice cream cone or something like that, you're just done and let your body kind of, have it, give it a break where it's not always digesting your food. Anyway, as we read through this story, it says that, and this is a quote, this is from a M K sat.com, which is a San Antonio, when you say ABC news outlet. Right. It's, I think they're quoting Tisha Calvo with consumer reports. 00:04:43 Roy It just says that when done in a healthful way, intermittent fasting can help control inflammation and may even lower the risk of heart disease type two diabetes and some cancers. Okay. Which that's great. This is what we have heard, over and over that it can be helpful. The inflammation has gotten to, it's kind of the root of all evil. It seems like in our bodies, when we talk about cancer and other heart disease and things like that. In the very next paragraph, it says intermittent fasting isn't for everyone. It could be too extreme for older adults, people with diabetes and those who take medications at certain times. Anyway, it just kinda left us, wondering, if the, in the top part about inflammation, if they're talking about like before you actually become a diabetic, if you do some fasting, maybe you can help that. Or, maybe it's just certain people with diabetes. 00:05:45 Roy I don't know. Anyway, it's a little contradicting, so we're going to have to do a little more research on this to see what's up. But, it does say that, to be sure and eat plenty of, protein and fiber during the day, if you are going to fast eat it lists fruit, oatmeal, cottage, cheese, things like that. That'll help keep you satisfied, from through that period, because it, depending on what you're doing, if you can get on a normal schedule, what I would call normal for me, where, we could be done and go to bed at nine or nine 30, it doesn't affect me as bad. When I'm up late and having to work and do stuff, then that's when I really, have those cravings or that desire is, like maybe 10 o'clock. It's kind of interesting for me, because then it gets back to sleep. 00:06:44 Roy I think sleep is catalyst for me to really start a lot of bad things happening. And this is definitely one of them. 00:06:52 Terry Try. And, you have some there, I know you need many more hours in the day to complete everything. Everybody could use a few more hours, but, your body just, you're so tired and your eyes are burning and you're trying to do everything you can just to make sure that you stay up. It's not as simple as just saying, yeah, I need to be done at seven, but it, because when eight o'clock comes around nine o'clock, 10 o'clock and 12, and you're still up. I mean, maybe that's just telling you got to go, you have to go sleep because sleep is so important too. 00:07:30 Roy Yeah. She mentions here too, that, he had an early dinner between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM. Late night, eating has been linked to greater risk of obesity, type two diabetes and heart disease. Again, and they suggest, cutting your dinners down and trying to do about 600 calories and eat more veggies, dinner for dinner because, when you go out to eat or even sometimes when we cook at home, you'd be surprised when you really add up your calories. I mean, you can do 800 to a thousand calories. Very, very easy. That's not even counting dessert. 00:08:08 Terry No. When you add like toppings and dressings and sauces and all that stuff and the salt, when you add all that stuff, it changes the dynamics of your food. Right. So helps with inflammation. Right. Right. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what I was going to say. Sorry. 00:08:32 Roy Oh, that's the other thing too. We pulled another article. This is from, the express, which I think this is a UK publication, but it's just, it was, actually talking about the, five fruits that can raise your blood sugar. And, it was an interesting list. Watermelon, one of my favorite, the first one, but, it's kind of, to me, it was obvious because it has such a sweet taste to it. Watermelons, pumpkin pineapple, which I was surprised, fruit juice, and then dried fruits again, dried fruits, use, I've been using them in my snacks, eat a little dried fruit, nuts thinking I was doing a good thing, but here again, I may have to recheck that if it's got they refer back to these, have a high G which is the, 00:09:27 Terry Index. Yeah. This is from what is it cure? I lost it. Curl, curl life. Yeah. Anyway, and the GI is a rating system for foods containing carbs. Did you already say that? No. 00:09:44 Roy No, no, that's fine. Yeah. And it just, it's. 00:09:47 Terry Just how quickly each one affects your blood sugar level, all of that. Making sure that you're not metabolized metabolizing too many, carb grams, they list, they also listed, yeah. The worst. I'm sorry. The best fruits. Okay. 00:10:10 Roy I didn't see that. What, what are those? 00:10:13 Terry Okay. Oh, here they are. Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. Fruits for diabetics to consume that top 10 fruits, blackberries, oranges, strawberries, avocados. Now because of fruit, I thought it was a vegetable. Well, why I don't see tomato is on here. Isn't tomatoes of fruit also, sour, cherries. Okay. Not sweet ones. All right. Plums, grapefruit, pears, apples, nectarines peaches, bananas, and blueberries. CNN. 00:10:49 Roy Interesting about the bananas being on there because I thought that they were one of the higher carbs and maybe there's enough fiber in it that it's got that slower release, but that's good news for me. Cause I like bananas. We typically eat a lot of the blueberries and a lot of the, blackberries, which I like those in small doses. I think people, sometime there are people that talk about, eating fruit because it's natural, won't hurt you, but fruit as a lot of, natural sugars in them. For us diabetics, we still have to pay attention to that. Just be careful when, and I, I try to eat mine earlier in the day just to give me chance to work it off versus, eating them late at night and then going to bed. It'll usually cause me a bump in the morning when I wake up. 00:11:41 Terry Right. Well, and this article also said, in addition to eating the lower GI foods, that exercise can help keep your blood sugar levels under control and we've. Yep. And. 00:11:54 Roy It does, it helps me, to try to get out after a meal and walk, if I can get on a good walk and schedule, I think that's been a bad thing about this pandemic is I have become very sedentary, more than usual, I have to set for my job and we set for, doing through our podcast a lot, but it just, it's not been a good thing. It's been great in some respects, but it's not been for that part. I think it's my, movement has not been as good as it should. 00:12:26 Terry Be, but you are taking proactive steps and you did get a new Fitbit, like yeah. Did you know? And I really. 00:12:33 Roy Love this. I, I came off my, I watch iPhone, whatever it is, apple watch kinda crashed on me and I didn't use all the functions, the talking or texting and music controls, I just didn't use all that stuff. It went, I actually went back to Fitbit than I'd had. I had a Fitbit prior to that and when it gave up, that's when I went to the apple watch, but I'm happy to be back with the Fitbit because it's got a prompter in apple may have it, but this one here is just a better prompt to get up and walk 250 steps every hour during your waking hours. Those add up, excuse me, after, a day. Yeah. When we, but when we go walk at night, instead of starting with zero, because people don't, I think if you don't work from home and don't stay at home a lot, it may be hard to fathom this, but if I don't make an effort, I mean, I can do three to 500 steps a day. 00:13:41 Roy That's all, coming from the bedroom to the office, to the kitchen, to the office and back to the bedroom, it's not that many. So, but this watch what it does. It kind of prompts me through the day. In the evening, when we go walk and I've got 2,500 or more steps already in, so I think it's a great thing. That the other thing it helps me through the day to get up and get moving. 00:14:06 Terry Yeah. Well, and the dogs really like it cause you psych them out thinking that they're going somewhere, but they have to wait because we can't take them out yet. But you do. I mean, you do a good job. You just have to remember to put that on, put that Fitbit on and do it. 00:14:26 Roy Yeah. Yeah. I think it's been, the, you don't have to do everything at once. Sometimes there's a misconception that we have to do everything all at one time and you really don't, those incremental steps that you take all through the day at the end of the day, they all add up and they all count. And, I'm the worst for when I go to the gym, I love to stay there and do of everything. The, the cardio get on some weights, I used to go to a place that had a punching bag that, you could go do that. I love to go do all that, and then you end up, like you said, being there for two or three hours, but then it becomes a discouragement because now, instead of running there for 15 or 20 minutes, it's like, Ugh, if I can't go do everything, I want stay there for a couple hours and I just don't go. 00:15:17 Roy Anyway, so you kind of have to get over that, whatever you go and do. The other thing about that, I was kind of noticing, we talked about tonight is that if I am up in busy, if I'm outside working, I don't really eat as bad as if I'm in the house. It seemed like if it's within arm's reach, it's much easier. So, sometimes just, kind of jokingly say the, going to the gym is its own thing for sure. The, the kind of the by-product is when you're gone and when you're there, you're not eating. So, it kind of helps you in that respect as well. That's kind of a, something that I know that is, I don't know if it's a trigger or just an observation that, if I'm staying close to the house, I tend to eat worse than if I'm out running around doing stuff. 00:16:08 Roy Yeah. 00:16:09 Terry That's probably, got something to say with who's going to the grocery store and stock in the cabinet. So, that could be a harder thing to, partake in if I wasn't so weak and got the chunky stuff, sorry, whoops. You're out at I'm out. Although I got some really good stuff this last time is it's been interesting. Deals have been interesting for sure, 00:16:42 Roy We're going to plug through, we're going to make it, and we're going to try to be more active. We're going to try and find out a little more about this fasting, the intermittent fasting to see. I would really like to, kind of figure that out because to be honest, it's one, breakfast is my meal and, that's always had always been the meal that we cook the most and the biggest every weekend. It's tough for me to be done with that. The other thing I think we've mixed up is instead of eating, maybe doing a smoothie, for breakfast, first thing to say, 00:17:20 Terry Right. I did, hold on. I did just pull up another article that said, the biggest downside to intermittent fasting for people with type two is the danger of hypoglycemia or low blood sugar. For this reason, it's recommended that they consult with their nutritionist and doctor to monitor their sugars. So. 00:17:47 Roy Never been a problem. I had mine are plenty high, a struggle trying to just keep them down. Like we said, go see a doctor. If you're going to start something like this. It's, it's always good just to make sure what advice they've got for you individually, because there may be other health factors that you have that your next door neighbor doesn't have. It's always good to let your doctor tell you specifically. 00:18:13 Terry Yeah, for sure. 00:18:15 Roy All alright. You got, you got anything else before we get outta here? 00:18:19 Terry Nope, not that, Nope. All right. 00:18:23 Roy Well, again, we appreciate the listeners. Like, I said, we're going to try to, stay more diabetes focused since that's definitely what I struggle with and, trying to release those on our Thursday with our guests on Tuesdays. We, we've got some great guests coming up, had some good interviews, this the last few days. Then, we've got a lot of great content already out there. Just, would suggest to, look back through some of the episodes. See if you can find one that resonates with you've had some great people on and got a lot of great, more common. So we're excited about that. Anyway, until next time, I'm your host. Roy, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're also on all the major podcast platforms, tune Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not a one that she listened to, please reach out. We'd love to get you added or get the one that you use added. 00:19:23 Roy We're also in all the major social media networks, probably hang out on Instagram more than any place else. A video recording of this episode will also go up when it goes live on YouTube. If you are a provider of some type in the health wellness, mindset, the area, give us a reach out. We'd love to talk to you about being a guest. Also, if you've got a great story about, overcoming some obstacles, what you've done to get healthy, what you've done to help change your mind, reach out. 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Choose You! Pick Your Non-Negotiables and Set Your Intensions For Growth with Sarafina Arthur-Williams What a great message and very timely, Choose You! It's been a difficult year and most everyone has been effective in some manner. Now as the world is opening up, it's a great time to look inward and think about our own mental health. Its important for our growth. Self-care is important to being happy, healthy, and the best you you can be. About Sarafina Sarafina Arthur-Williams is the CEO and founder of Intentional Simplicity LLC, a wellness-based mental health private practice. As a wellness and creative consultant, she educates her clients and mental health practitioners about positive psychology, art therapy, and the value of wellness and mindfulness. She is ranked on Feedspot's top psychology bloggers of 2020 and features as a guest speaker on a variety of mental health platforms. To encourage sustainability, Sarafina documents how she practices wellness in her daily life through her online presence. www.liveintentionallysimplistic.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Choose You! Pick Your Non-Negotiables and Set Your Intensions For Growth with Sarafina Arthur-Williams 00:00:22 Roy Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Feeding Fatty. This is your host Roy. We are chronicling our journey through, becoming more healthy on, trying to lose some weight, get back in the gym. We're talking about us, as individuals and we also, we have professionals and different disciplines that come on as guests from time to time. Today's no different Terry I'll let you introduce Sarafina. 00:00:48 Terry Sarafina Arthur-Williams is the CEO and founder of Intentional Simplicity, LLC, a wealth wellness based mental health, private practice as a wellness and creative consultant. She educates her clients and mint and mental health practitioners about positive psychology, art therapy and the value of wellness and mindfulness. She has ranked on feed spots, top Psychology Bloggers of 2020, and features as a guest speaker on a variety of mental health platforms to encourage sustainability Sarafina documents, how she practices wellness in her daily life, through her online presence. Welcome to the show, Sarafina, we're happy to have you thank you so much for having me. 00:01:37 Roy Yeah. Thanks for being here. There's so much to unpack with this. I'm going to just, first off, let you tell us, kind of how you found yourself in this events led up UT and where you are today. 00:01:52 Sarafina Sure. I opened intentional simplicity in 2020, truly because of my lack of support around my mental health, my culture, my intersectionality, and my education. I was definitely struggling through my PhD program while also trying to find my niche within my field. There are lots of things that get in the way of me getting the resources to my clients, for example, insurance access, sustainability, things like that. I really was trying to implement something that I could help my clients create a sustainable well-based life. In that I teach people how to learn more about themselves, implement their authenticity and creativity within their practice business life or like their personal lives. From there I also support people in understanding their identity exploration is a huge part of, intentional simplicity. We're really here to help us honor what we've been through and how our journey is going to manifest. 00:03:02 Roy And you are a master's level practitioner. What does, what does that mean? Exactly. Yeah, so. 00:03:07 Sarafina I got my master's in psychology as well, as far as fine arts and art therapy and counseling. It was a whole semester of learning. It kind of just like ended up building the right, sustainable, I guess, practice for me to help my clients with. From there I decided I wanted to know more about clinical psychology and that's what made me pursue for the education. Currently I wanted to know how can I use my credentials and my degrees and my education to really create a sustainable practice for other people. I've been shifting my view of mental health and have been looking a lot more into industrial psychology and workplace environments and self care and wellness within the spaces, because I recognize the value of it. I'm really excited to be in this space and to use my gifts, to serve others. 00:04:07 Roy Wow. Like all those different disciplines, because they're all very important in our self-care. I think we can just get back to the basics for just a minute that, like us trying to improve our eating and eat better exercise and all that. Well, it is part of self-care, but also self care makes all those things easier. I mean, it's circular in respect that, we have to really take care of ourselves because, for a lot of us, it's that emotional. If it's the eating, it's the emotional eating, excuse me. Or maybe even, the emotional drain of stress from the day, instead of going to the gym in the evening, it's like, let's just get the popcorn chocolate and, put on a good movie and say, what's that? 00:05:02 Sarafina Yeah, it's very comforting. And, it's, it gets us out of the discomfort of what we've been going throughout the day. It takes a lot of energy for us as humans to move through our days. You get a chance to just decompress, I bet we jumped on top of that. 00:05:20 Terry There's so much energy suck and going on. It's just crazy. Absolutely. Some of it's self-imposed, I mean, it's like, okay, this is this really happening. I mean, what's going on here. 00:05:36 Roy Yeah. I like the message of the company it's and tell me if I get it exactly right. It's intentional simplicity, is that correct? Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean that is such a, it's such a strong term because I think also as humans, we try to over-complicate things and life and really, most things that are good and good for should not be that difficult. I don't know if that's something that you found in your studies or as you talk to different people that you work with is that, we tend to over complicated ourselves, but then we also get ourselves in these complex situations that even start heaping more on us. 00:06:23 Sarafina Absolutely. I find that intentional simplicity was created to help myself, sustain a wellness practice as a wellness space therapist. It's so important for me to Abe to be able to balance and ground myself prior to seeing someone else. How was I going to do this? And with my schedule, I was so jam packed with classes, with work, with family, with just like personal needs. I was really concerned as to why this couldn't be much more simpler. Why did I have to work so hard just to get the things that I needed? And in there, I was like, I'm going to try to intentionally simply be me and do these things as best as I can. Listening to my body, do I need to have a meal right now? Do I need to have water? Do I need to go to sleep? Do I need to take a shower? Do we need to go for a walk? Your body in itself was a huge indicator of your wellness. 00:07:21 Sarafina The first thing that's most important is understanding how to connect with you. That is where the identity focus stems from, and learning about what your body is asking for versus what your Mo your soul may need, versus what your mind may need versus what the environment's doing to you. There are a lot of things that we must consider when we're creating our self-care, but it has to be with you in mind or at work, 00:07:47 Roy Which is also another, I think, I don't know if it's another way to say or another step in the process is they, self-realization I mean, we really have to consider, where we are, what we're doing, and self-realization is not the word that I'm looking for. I'm trying to think, but just being able to be true to ourselves, but also to be, honest about what is going on around us and where are these, where's that pressure, that stress where's that uncomfortableness? Where does it come from? Because a lot of the times we actually, self-aware, that was the word I'm looking for. Self-aware, sorry, but we, a lot of times we have the power to change these things. It may be uncomfortable. We talk about that, with me and Terry, there's some things that, we talk about doing that. It's like, E I know it would help, but it's just an uncomfortable step. 00:08:50 Sarafina Yeah. That discomfort is a huge indicator of, preference, ? and for humans, we don't really get the space to decide what's best for us because we're always around other things, other influences. In that we lose the ability to decide what really is best for us. We're constantly second guessing or using other means to address issues that aren't really here. For example, substance abuse, emotional abuse, all of these different things that we're putting onto ourselves, that don't really serve us anymore. I create the self care into our wellness based approaches to our healing, mainly because how can you be sustainable with you? You are who you're with the entire time you're here on her. In that, how can you use the sane being with you, knowing how to nourish your basic needs is the first step. Knowing that it doesn't have to be hard is okay, too, ing that you don't have to be uncomfortable to grow no matter what, whether it's uncomfortable or comfortable, we are growing. 00:10:06 Sarafina When we set our intention, it helps us determine in what direction we're going in. That's where the support of a therapist or coach, family, friends, whatever helps you keep, what is the word accountable for your intentions and your goals? So it's truly a whole wellness based approach. 00:10:28 Roy Yeah. And, we talk about, our, we talk about the self-awareness and, self-realization and all that, but also how much of this is put on us by society, our need for, justification or our need of others to, acceptance or their, whatever that is, because I think about that a lot with, and I recounted this the other day, but there was a story in, on our local news station that they did about a guy that he used to be an options trader. It was, you know, probably very stressful. He probably made a lot of money, but he had a health event. Now he is a muralist painting, stuff on walls and doing all this work. They interviewed him and he was like, so happy. He's like, I can't believe I did that for so long, but what it made me think about was that, sometimes it's that inner self that we want to achieve more. 00:11:36 Roy We want to do this. We think that we thrive in this environment. Conversely, I think that sometimes it's the thought about what others think about us? what, yeah. What's, society's measure of success for me, the house I live in or the salary or the job title that I have, and I don't know part of this is getting old. It's easy, at my age, because I've been through all this and now I can look back and say, none of that stuff is worth it. It's what is on our inside. What makes us truly happy? That's what we have to pursue. 00:12:16 Sarafina Absolutely. Yeah. A lot of the transitioning occurs within, like the best work occurs in those transitional moments when you're really faced with who you are, what the world needs of you and what you really want. 00:12:35 Roy Yeah. Do you find that working with the people that you work with is the struggle, I mean, I know it's up to us to change, but is this a pressure that we put on ourself or is it, do you think it's more that it's this societal view that we need to kind of let go of that? 00:12:54 Sarafina Absolutely. I think we can't negate the value of culture. Knowing that we are in a space that culture permeates everything that we do to say that it's just our environment or just us or, them, it takes away from all the things that make you who you are. And that is an intersectional person. That's a person that has many parts that creates one whole. By throwing away our environment and saying like, I'm going to focus all on me, you lose the connection of what it's like to have people around. We speak in circles, we grow in circles and we're all connected. By saying, okay, well, I'm going to focus mainly on the environment. They lose what you bring to the table. It's a constant battle of whether or not, and I hate to say the word battle, but what works best for you and what is your environment bringing to the table and what are you like holding on to? 00:13:54 Sarafina A lot of the things that we explore when we're doing that inner work is what emotions are yours and which ones aren't, what has someone brought into your space that has landed on you? And now you're taking on that energy. For example, you go to work and your boss has an awful morning and they come talk to you and they have an attitude, and they're giving you all this extra work to do. In that you immediately become angry and you're now taking on the boss's energy and then your energy and the next person you see, and then you're moving on and moving on, and this is your workspace. This is where you guys want to profit. This is where you want things to be moving. Now your emotions have become the focus rather than the task at hand. We think about these intentions and these goals and these, things that we want for ourselves, make sure you're really exploring what's coming. 00:14:48 Sarafina Who is it coming from? If you were the person that's going through, whatever you may be going through, it's much easier to access that information rather than to get the information as someone else that has landed onto you. That's why therapy is awesome because you sit there and you talk to one person about the things that are going inside of you without the clutter of the world in that space, but your therapist or the person who's helping you guys progress, should be aware of the culture that you, in the experiences of the environment, that you've been a part of your family, how they impacted your job, how that impacts your finances, all of these different things. It is a holistic approach when you're doing internal work. We often negate, we negate all the other parts that make us strong. 00:15:42 Roy That's true, but that's a hard thing. I don't know if it's, it may not be simplistic enough just to Blaine some ideas out there, but, that's something that, I don't know why we've, it's not that there's anything really bad going on in our life, but for some reason over the last few weeks, that conversation has had, we've had more and more about not letting other people's problems be put upon us, but I'm telling you it's hard because, if buddy, somebody in the outside world roughs me up then, unfortunately Terry is the closest one to me. She probably gets some of that runoff, but, are there any, I guess coping mechanisms or, like, I'm your boss and I come at you and like, okay, I had a bad drive in this morning and now I'm in the office and I'm like, Hey, why don't you have this done? 00:16:38 Roy Or you didn't do it just like, exactly. Like I wanted in blah, just like piling on and on until you feel small. It's like, how do we protect ourselves from that? Or how can we distance to be able, because it's easy to verbally say, oh, what, that's that guy's problem. He had a bad day, this or that, but it's, well, I'll speak for me. It's harder to release that. I can, I guess intuitively or, intellectually. I know that's, what's going on. That's like, man, I didn't do anything. I'm just sitting here minding my own business, but still, I would tend to carry that with me through the rest of the day instead of being able to release it. I guess, I don't know if you've got any words for that. 00:17:29 Sarafina Yeah, absolutely. You, you just made me get a brain blast. I was speaking with one of my clients and they were talking about how, their work environment makes them very reactive rather than responsive. In those spaces, you have to be responsive rather than reactive because you must let it sink in and then respond to your environment. This person is a medical professional, so they're constantly moving and they have been in the swing of COVID. And that pressure that's there. What you just said to me was released. I just, it sounds like we have these three options that we can do in these moments when we're confronted with another experience, which is we can react, respond, or release, and to do these things is to first recognize what's really showing up. That first step is identifying what sparks or triggers what brings up, what comes up for you when you're having this conversation with someone else, do you feel sense of ease? 00:18:32 Sarafina Do you feel calm? Do you feel frustrated, angry, sad, apprehensive, worried all of these things. We often don't have the language to these emotions, which makes it difficult for us to address what's really going on, which makes it even more difficult for the person responding to you to respond appropriately. Because if you're really sad and you're expressing anger and you get kicked out of work, that's different than do you need time off? And can we talk about what's going on later? That's a much easier response to like take into yourself and then experience what happens next rather than now, my boss is mad at me. Now this is happening. Now this is happening. Now I have to go and all started about you, just feeling sad. That was what was showing up for you. We must consider the language you're using. Within workspace spaces, our leaders must also be aware of how to respond to our employees and to one another. 00:19:31 Sarafina If I'm going to continue, if you guys are all right with that, but then we go from there and then we say, so where is it showing up? Is it showing up within your mental wellness? Is it showing up within your spiritual and your professional, your physical, your health overall, where are these things or emotions coming up in your bonus? And when we talk about all the different parts of our wellness, truly think about you, what makes you, who you are in all dimensions, and help you recognize, do I have a hardship within my interpersonal relationships? Is it hard for me to have relationships with other people? Is that where I get my, a lot of, distress or discomfort from, or is it my physical health? That something that I really can't reach because I'm seeing the environment impacting so much more than seeing my progress internally. 00:20:23 Sarafina There's a lot of things that we can focus on, which helps you narrow down. Instead of thinking, I have to do all of these things, while also managing my emotions. I'll also managing the world around me while also figuring out how to get to the next thing in the day. Take it one step at a time and ask yourself these questions. What is showing up for me? Where is it showing up? how can our, myself in this moment. From here, I'd like to do these things with clients who have like really speedy schedules, which is five minute emergency self-care plans. For example, you have five minutes to say, I'm going to go use the rest, do it in that time, you do your affirmations. You maybe do some deep breathing. You maybe go for a light walk or get a drink of water. These things in itself, slow your brain down and tell you to bring it back to a grounding. 00:21:17 Sarafina When the, when were getting heightened in these emotional spaces, it's likely that our body is responding to, survival rather than, just living, ? and that's because we're humans, that's what we do. Our mind is ready to keep us safe. However, when we are going through these times, the best thing that we can do for ourselves is to talk to yourself, bring yourself into a place where you can change your mind, because your mind is needing to be changed. You're not in a fear based space. You're not hurting, you're not in need of survival. You're okay, what do you need? And how can you move forward? Other things you can do journaling, you can have peer groups, maybe a work buddy, or a accountability buddy, block your time out. I'm going to disclose as a person who has ADHD, but has to be very, on schedule as an entrepreneur and a boss and a CEO and a therapist. 00:22:18 Sarafina And all of these things. I pack my day with self care before I schedule anything else. For the morning, I don't start working or seeing anyone until 12 because I need that time to get up. I don't like mornings. I need to make sure I've got a coffee. I could take a shower if I wanted to it go sit outside. By noon, hopefully Sarafina has herself together to start the day. From there, if I have a client after, so I take maybe 30 minutes to journal or talk to a friend who just encouraging me. It really is about what do I need to make it through my day? That's sustainable. These things are all within myself. This is me saying, I'm going to reach out to someone. I like, I'm going to make a meal. I'm going to go for a walk. It's just picking you in the times when you need to be chosen, ? and we often negate that. 00:23:14 Roy Imagine in your job that more, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Go ahead. The last. 00:23:19 Sarafina Part is to celebrate your growth. That is because recognize that you are growing and you're progressing in a positive direction, even though it is uncomfortable, have little celebration kits, that have like maybe notes that a friend has said to you about your progression or, the things that you've done, maybe have like gratitude circles, where you connect with people once a month and talk about all the great things. You've because you've probably done a million things that are awesome within a month that we don't really tap into and they can be very small or very large, no matter what addressing it, acknowledging that you are doing well is a wonderful thing to do for your self care. 00:23:59 Roy I like that gratitude circle. That's awesome. Yeah. We talk about that a lot, celebrating the small things because, and I have a business podcast and something I talk about over there a lot is, we have 10 things on our to-do list today. We get seven done and we'll spend the rest of our day beating ourselves up about the three week done. It's like, well, we got 70%. If we, I use the baseball analogy. If you could hit 700 in baseball, you'd be a gazillionaire. Why shouldn't we celebrate ourselves that we did 70%? I mean, it's, and I'm not telling you I've mastered that yet. I'm still working, but it's like, we try and not the other thing I have to give a lot of, props for is your job, because I'm telling you if somebody came in and plopped on my accounts right now and started telling me their problems, I'd be like, you don't know that I have love it. 00:24:55 Roy It must be a huge emotional drain, for you to help people. So, you know, thank you for that. Thank you for why you do know that the individuals you help, probably thank you tremendously as well, but it's such a, cause we're talking about this self care and what other people put on us, but you're a little different, you invite people to come in and put this stuff on you on that. I know it's a little different because it's not directed at you, but still, you develop caring and, other, feelings for people that you help. I'm sure that's like, Ugh, so yeah, 00:25:34 Sarafina For sure. Within my training, I also understand what it's like for me to be, someone who holds emotions and hold space for other people. That is why I get to decide what my self care is going to be the most important thing for me. You've brought up something really wonderful, which is like, based off of your role in society, your career, your plan, your goals, that's the kind of self care that you need to be implementing. ? So, what is the strengths required for my emotionally intensive job? how much self care do I need rather than someone who doesn't have an emotionally intensive job, but they need to get out and exercise a lot more because they're sitting in front of the rest of the whole time. There's a lot of different things that we can question to help us explore, which one's best for us. 00:26:26 Sarafina Another good one is like sometimes people think self care is selfish and you're negating the things that are important when in truth to not choose you in times when you have to, disappoint is the service to who you are, because you are the most important part of your wellness. Every time that you don't choose you, when you needed to choose you teach yourself that's okay and that's not okay. That's not what you want. So the language is very important. How you talk about these issues that you're going through. Also how you talk about, the strengths that you have because of who you are. There's a lot of things that we can do together to implement wellness in a way that, myself and my client are thriving out of the space that we've created rather than, hurting or like counter transferring or transferring emotions onto one another. 00:27:28 Sarafina It's really important that therapist will the practitioner have that mindset prepared. Yeah. 00:27:35 Terry Yeah. And that's true. I mean, self-care is unselfish and it's the best thing that you can do so many people. Don't realize that until you're like deep into all my, it ended a fog, ? 00:27:52 Roy Yeah, yeah. It's just like too, I don't feel like, I can be the best partner to Terry if I'm, got health issues. That's one thing that, is really become, not that I have any, but we, it's just become more of a realization that we don't want it to get that way. This, the self care getting healthy, that journey is more important because of those things that you say, I can't be my best for others if I am not at my best. I think it gets back to sometimes our jobs too, that we self-sacrifice because of a job. I think we have to be careful. We need our income and we need that. Also, the reciprocation, because believe me, a company will cut you in a heartbeat when they need to. Yet we put up with all of this stuff where, we don't take care of ourselves. 00:28:50 Roy We don't exercise, we don't eat, we don't have that time. Then, the stresses that go with that. So, it's difficult, but there's an old song that says, I love the line. It says something about, surrender, but don't give yourself away. And that's so very important. It's a fine line to develop where that is, but we have to always keep ourselves in mind. Mm. 00:29:17 Sarafina Yes, that's beautiful. I, I hear that. We, I see us as being in like on a tether within our wellness and we're always being pulled away, but then always tries to come back to ourselves, always being pulled away and trying to come back to ourselves. It'd be much easier if you just could be with yourself while also going. You're not always having to track back into you are. But that takes work. That takes a lot of grounding work. Also recognizing where you fit and where you don't recognizing where you are wanted and where you're not wanted, recognize where you're seen and when you're not seen. I say these things because people within my community, I'm African-American queer woman, probably are experiencing the same things and don't feel seen, don't feel heard, but like you said, this is my livelihood. I have to get money to work. 00:30:11 Sarafina That creates a huge discourse between what comes first, the money or the person. We've been in a society for some time now where, we don't really invest in humanity before we sorta invest in our economy and the services that we can give. And there's such totally fine. We live in a capitalistic world. However, when the person who is creating these jobs and these things for us can no longer function, what happens next, who was there. That is a problem for us because we are humans at the core and us as we are worthy and valuable, but our society does not allow us to recognize that. So then you start to do that. Good work for yourself, asking yourself these questions. Does this environment serve me? Do I feel seen here? What is the culture like? Does it align with my values and morals? Does it hurt me or help me? do I see a future here? What patterns and themes have been consistent thus far? and how can I shift and believe that if you leave one thing, there's going to be another there's endless possibilities. 00:31:24 Sarafina There really is. We often get pigeonholed into this one idea, like I have this good thing and it's going to be gone. I have nothing else, but what happens if it goes away? Like you gave me a story earlier about someone who ended up being a muralist after leaving a job that was difficult for them. That has been so fulfilling I'm sure. The difference is even more rewarding than making X amount of dollars. It really depends on when you're ready to make these decisions. Will you choose you? Where will the courage come from? 00:31:53 Roy Yeah, the, in business and in finance, we talk about, we are the sum of the five people that surround us. Let's extrapolate that to self care for a minute. I don't know that you've studied it or there's an nodal evidence on that, but it just made me, it just was curious, thought that if we have to be careful with who we surround ourselves, do they take care of themselves? Are they the kind of people that we want to be with? Because as leaders, supposedly we are, the leader that we are, the kind of leader of the people that we surround ourselves with, I guess is the easiest way to say that we are the, of the, well, I apologize. I fell off for just a minute surfing. I don't know if you can still hear me or not, but, I guess the question that, the, what I had asked and if you answered it, I'm sorry, you may have to tell us one more time, but, it seemed like we got a bad, zoom connection going on here. 00:33:26 Roy I know I've fallen off a couple of times, but, so are we the, some like in our self care world, are we the sum of those five people that we are closest to? Mm. 00:33:38 Sarafina Mm. I think that's a really good question. I, I would have to say, it depends on who you are surrounded by. To be in a cohort of people who do not align with your morals and values is very easy to become swayed, but that does not necessarily mean that you are also like them. That's what makes our brain really cool is that it's so malleable. We can start to change and adapt different patterns of thinking based off of who we're with, what we start to do, how was our shift? And so by surrounding yourself with people that make you feel stronger, or that inspire you to help you feel seen or give you a voice when you didn't have one, those are things that become concrete elements, which is very similar to being in relationships that are abusive, that bring you down, that hurt you, which become concrete experiences. 00:34:37 Sarafina Yeah, maybe we are a part of these things, but does that mean it is who we are? I don't want to say it is. I just think it is. Going back to that culture aspect, how has your culture really impacted you? And is it benefiting you or is it harming you, how does it serve you? That was a great question. I would definitely, I think that would make people consider who was around and who helps you keep you grounded and aligned with who you'd want to be. If you don't have people like that in your life that's, so to me, we explore, we examine how will we can get these people in your life? 00:35:18 Roy Yeah, yeah. Because I know that there are people that everybody knows that are, negative and their interview suckers. It's like, cause the other thing I was thinking about is that not so much in our age, but, especially if you're younger instead of, Hey, I need to go and I need to be eating right. I need to go to the gym and I need to get in bed early, sleep all of these components of self-care. But, maybe hang out with people that, way we want to go out to the beer joint and hang out and, stay up till late, not get any sleep, anyway, earlier it just kinda hit me that, we, I think in all aspects of our life, we just really have to be careful of, who we give our time to, because whether we do it consciously or not that energy that they have really transfers to us. 00:36:13 Sarafina Absolutely. Absolutely. That's such a good thing to say, and I can even translate into what is it like to be impacted by a therapist, right. That energy is transferring in that room and it's creating something different. It's just because I'm a human that it works that way, and the person in front of me as well, so we can create that energy exchange. What happens when you don't have the strength to get out of these spaces that are, I would say, vampire sucking or energy suckers. That, it's very sad because now your environment is trumping you rather than you and your environment, working harmoniously to create a good balance of who you want to be in your future, who you are now, things like that. A lot of people are in this situation right now because of COVID, being stuck in a home or in a job where environment, because of the situation we're in. 00:37:09 Sarafina And that is awful. Knowing how to at least keep yourself grounded as going back to those nourishing things. Are you breathing? Are you drinking water? Are you eating? Are you getting sleep? PQ pick you. 00:37:23 Roy Yeah. The other thing too, this came up in another discussion, but I think we have to give ourselves permission that it's number one. Okay. To take care of us, but number two, that it's okay to make these kinds of changes because sometimes it's hard, for all the reasons we've talked about, but you have to, eventually you've got to say, it's okay to choose me to renegotiate. Yeah. 00:37:49 Sarafina Yeah. I like that. I often tell my friends and my clients about what are your non-negotiables right. What things are you willing to negotiate on? And so maybe you have been going to the gym for a week straight now, and a friend that who loves to party and invite you to come out. You're like, what, I'm celebrating my growth, you going and doing something that encourages where you've been in the past, but helps you grow. I say, but that is like, when you're put in a situation that you have to decide something different than you have normally decided, that is where the transitioning and the growth will occur. So yeah, you'll go out. You get back to the next day and you're going back to the gym. You're going, you're still eating the things you wanted to be eating, just because you have done something different. 00:38:36 Sarafina Doesn't mean it's now the trajectory from now on. Often people who were going through weight changes and health, and emotionally abusive relationships, struggle with this idea of like, if this one time I change, I'm falling off. Or if this one time they have done this, they're now miraculous. They're better. And though that's not true. It's okay to hold both truths in a space I am growing while I also am suffering. I am doing better while I also acknowledging that I've been through a hard time. And that's perfectly fine. 00:39:13 Roy I like how you just put that. I really am paying attention. I am taking notes because I think that, and that's one thing we've talked about too, is that, for me, that one time and change, and then man, I am off the path, and somewhere else. Really having that self realization that it's okay for this one thing to happen. It doesn't derail us from our future path that we're on. Yeah. Yes, 00:39:47 Sarafina Yes. In that mind process, believing that whether or not you work out or don't work out, you are worthy as a human being, as being who you are. Right. So we've crossed that off, working out. Does it make you greater or less than of a person, but working out could make you a healthier individual, ? And so it's like changing the language around what are we actually doing these things for? are we really doing it to seem like we are fitting in? And we have a community that aligns with who we are? Is it something that we're doing because we want to grow? Or is it something for someone else, ? And when within partnerships we make the sacrifices, and it's knowing whether or not a sacrifice is hurting you or it's bettering the space that you guys have created together. It's being kind and considerate to each other's experiences of the world as well. 00:40:39 Roy Right? Right. Well, you have something, Terry. No, you had a smile. Okay. Well, Sarah feena, we appreciate you being with us. I mean, this is so much good stuff. Because we talked about mindset, we have to get in the right mindset. We have to do these things for us before we can get healthy. We, it's, it seems like everybody would know this, but if we really want to change, we have to make a change and we can't continue to do the same thing and hope that everything is going to get better. I think, hopefully the messages that we need to choose us, it's not selfish to do that. We can still choose us, but yet still be, kind and engaged with other people. We will be a better person to other people will be a better person to ourself as well. 00:41:38 Sarafina Absolutely. I would like to leave you guys with, something that you can set your attention with whenever you were having to engage, in the world or within yourself, may I have a tender heart and a soft mind? May I gain an understanding of my inner and outer connectedness? 00:41:59 Speaker 4 Oh, I love that about the tender heart. That's great. 00:42:03 Roy Yeah, because I don't think we had, I don't want to get off on this, but it too much, but I don't think we have enough empathy for, instead of, somebody comes at you instead of coming right back at them is like, maybe we just have that empathy that, what it's just something else is going on in their world. We don't know about, we have to, I like that you said earlier, take a step back, take a deep breath. And, how did you say it was, be responsive, not reactive. I mean, I love that. I love that so much because when we get stressed and when we're pushed to the limit, it's that reaction. Unfortunately that stuff lives for a long time. It's not, come out of your mouth, you can't waste, take them back. Really let it sink in and have some empathy for the other person and maybe where they are at what they're going through before we, do respond. 00:43:02 Roy Yeah. 00:43:03 Sarafina When you need to release, knowing what activity. 00:43:07 Speaker 0 Yeah. 00:43:09 Sarafina Recognized where I, it words, that's what I was going to say. Yeah. That's really awesome. I wanted to share that you added the release and it can be the release that's best for you after you have responded. Maybe it is hanging out with someone and maybe it is going to the gym. Maybe it's creating artwork. The release should be rooted in how you love on you, because you're trying to get this energy out. I love to dance. I love to take showers when I'm angry. Those are the two things that I do when I get something out of my body, love to dance it out. If it's in the nighttime or it's in the morning, I'll just take a shower and genuinely release and let the things fall off my body. It's just a good practice to get in the mind you setting that intention. 00:43:58 Sarafina You're not ever questioning why you're doing what you're doing. 00:44:05 Roy Yeah. That's good. That's good advice for sure. All right. Well, we're going to wrap up if you wouldn't mind tell everybody of course, how they can reach out and get ahold of who that you help, how you can help them touch. 00:44:20 Sarafina Sure. My name is Sarafina Arthur-Williams. If you would like to contact our business line, feel free to reach us at 4 1 2. 2 9. 4 8 7 0. You're also able to text this line as well. My email address is intentionalsimplicityco@gmail.com. My favorite place is our website and you can check it out at intentionallysimplistic.com and then on Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn, we're an Intentional Simplicity, LLC. 00:44:52 Roy Okay, awesome. Well, y'all reach out. See how Sarafina can help y'all and thank you so much for your time. I know we ran longer, but it's a great conversation. So we appreciate that. And her website is awesome. I've been on it all morning. I need this. No, I need that. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you both. It's been all right. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding Patty. Of course not amyloid. You can find us feedingfatty.com. We're also on all the major social media platforms. A video of this interview will go up on YouTube when it goes live. We are also on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. We're not a one that you listened to please reach out. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of those around you. www.liveintentionallysimplistic.com www.ageucational.com
Small Steps Make Big Changes, the Triathlete's Approach to Success with Kyla Lupo Have you dreamed of being a triathlete? Competing in triathlons? Its never to early or too late to start. It is a big step and a big commitment, but if can be done. Just taking small steps to lead toward the eventual goal of completing some form of triathlon completion. Get health and get fit while training to compete in a very difficult arena. About Kayla Kyla Lupo is a USA Triathlon certified coach with a Masters in Education from George Washington University. She brings years of experience in coaching people in a variety of situations, including triathlon. Want to know about her athlete stuff? She represented Team USA at the 2019 ITU Multisport Championships in Pontevedra, Spain as an age-group Long Course Aquabiker. Kyla is a nationally ranked Age Group short course triathlete and finished second in the Athena division at the Illinois 2018 Triathlon Championships. In 2019 Kyla qualified for the USAT Short Course Age Group National Championships that will be held in August 2021. Want to know about her coaching stuff? She believes that anyone can tri in the body they have right now and works with athletes on a personal level to overcome their fear and doubts while getting fit and ready for the start line. Actively advocating for a radical level of body acceptance in sport and society, Kyla leads a team of people of all shapes and sizes that can be found at www.teamgobig.life www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Small Steps Make Big Changes, the Triathlete's Approach to Success 00:00:15 Roy Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy Terry. We are the podcasts that is chronicling my journey, our journey through, wellness, trying to obtain wellness, maybe lose some weight, lose a lot of weight, get in better shape. And, we talk a lot about some things that are going on in our life, how we're progressing and what we're up to, but we also have professionals, as guest on from time to time. And today's no different. Terry. 00:00:45 Terry Kyla Lupo is a USA triathlon ser triathlon certified coach with a master's in education from George Washington university. She brings years of experience in coaching people in a variety of situations, including triathlon. She represented team USA at the nut at the 2019 ITU multi-sport championships in Ponte ferta Spain as an age group, long course, Aqua biker Kyla is a nationally ranked age group, short course, triathlete and finished second in the Athena division at the Illinois 2018 triathalon championships in 2019, Kyla qualified for the USA T short course age group national championships that will be held in August of 2021. She believes that anyone can try in the body. They have right now and works with athletes on a personal level to overcome their fear and doubts while getting fit and ready for the start line, actively advocating for a radical level of body acceptance and sports sport and society. 00:01:58 Terry Kyla leads a team of people of all shapes and sizes that can be found at team go big life. Kayla, welcome to the show. We're happy to have you. 00:02:10 Kyla Hi Terry, thanks for a great introduction. I know there's all these big words in there that unless you're a Chaplet you have no idea what it means and I'm like, I'm just going to go rewrite that. 00:02:28 Roy Well, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. Part of, this journey is for me anyway, it's not only, wanting to lose weight, but also to stay in shape. I think, I set a lot during the day and the whole thing, nowadays it's, what setting is the new smoking and all of this stuff that's going on? we've become so seditary and in our diets have become so loaded with other stuff. Anyway, it's just, it's a bad convergence of stuff. It's funny, we read a, an article yesterday that was just saying that from 1950 to 19 to 2015, somewhere in that range, we've extended our lifespan by about 10 years by medicine medications, and by just modern medicine. They said that we have kind of bumped up into the, where it's not cost-prohibitive and they say extending our life the next 10 years will be due to lifestyle changes. 00:03:34 Roy Anyway, I think that's interesting that, and I, I like what you say that you can do it in anybody, we could go out and train to do whatever we put our mind to that there is a path. Even if we're, I think my opinion, even if we're overweight, if we still move around, it's better than being overweight and sitting on the couch and, eating another bag of Doritos. Absolutely. What are you seeing with, people that are coming to you? Are they, well, first off, let's start with, how did you find yourself here? I mean, it's a very impressive background and a lot of, doing a triathlon, my dad used to do them and, yeah, they're brutal. I mean, it's not something that you just wake up one day and say, well, I think we may just do a little poppet triathlon in this afternoon or something like that. 00:04:29 Roy How did you find yourself in this space? 00:04:33 Kyla Oh, it's right. It's a really great story. I, like a lot of people out there, I made a commitment. I wanted to feel fit and healthy and better in my body. Part of that was losing weight, but that wasn't my driving factor. I really just on, I wasn't moving as much as I used to when I was younger. I was like, all right, well, I'm going to do that. I'm going to do a 5k. I said, I'm going to do a race every month for 12 months. The year of 2015, I did a race every month. And, I got up to a 10 K, which is 6.2 miles. At some point I realized that I, or I remembered, I used to be a swimmer. I swam all through high school and college and thought I should get back in the pool. Like that will really help me be a better runner because lung efficiency, all that other stuff. 00:05:26 Kyla I remembered, but I also really liked bicycling. I got a bicycle and I was really enjoying it. And I thought, wow. I wonder if there's a way that I could be like a cycling racer for whatever reason. Like I just kept single sporting. In that someone said, well, it depends on what kind of cycling you want to do. Cause if you want to do a triathlon, that's one kind. If you want to do cyclocross, that's different. If you want to be time trials, all these fancy cycling words, it was like triathlon, you say. Yeah. And, that was the end of the beginning, I guess. And, I sat myself out to finish, a triathlon. I found a team. I trained with them. It was really great. I finished my first sprint triathlon in June of 2016. As I crossed that finish line, I knew I had found what I was meant to do in this world. 00:06:22 Kyla And, then I realized, started looking around at the people around me that weren't just the ones on my team. All I saw were skinny, super fit, really muscular looking people. There was the people on my team that I trained with, not my team, but the team I was training with. I mean, there were all sorts of bodies, right? Were what a lot of people would call overweight. We were, super short, super tall, like, didn't look like athletes. Some of us did admittedly right there. Of course, some of those. I realized if I wanted to see more people that looked like me finishing triathlons, I needed to be the person that could show them. They could do it. Awesome. Right. I went and got my coaching certification, like my actual Travelon coaching certification. I've been working with people in a variety of different situations, coaching them, whether it's been women or men or grandmas. 00:07:29 Kyla I spent some time on my life teaching, some of our lovely grim grandparents in this world. How do you use technology? so lots of different places where I've had to meet people where they are and help them get them where they want to be. The team just sort of formed it. Self people started realizing what I was doing and what, and then I got this and then Matt, and then the team grew into what it is today. And, it's an incredible group of people who are just so welcoming and supportive of each other. Boarding of each other. Some of us are what I would call like serious athletes. Some of us, have even ever done a triathlon Bernard can't. 00:08:27 Speaker 3 Sleep. 00:08:29 Kyla On my team, I have the Athena, not the Athena I have, well, she's the Athena long course national champion of 2019. In 2020 we had, like no races. The couple that we did have down here in Florida, she won her age group for an ultra distance triathlon, which is what a lot of people would call an iron man. There's, I just call it ultra like iron man. And I have a really interesting, 00:08:58 Speaker 3 But that's beside the point. 00:08:59 Kyla Ultra distance. We have someone who, in 2019 had both hips replaced and is looking forward to doing their first triathlon. Well, it should have been in may, but it got rescheduled to August. We have the whole spectrum of everyone on the team. I think that what pulls us all together is this idea that we, everyone has a place and you don't have to look a certain way. You can do anything right now in this body kind of thing. Yeah, so that's where I come from the long and short of it and all of that stuff in the bio about like all the things, all it means is that, I know how to work. The number system such that, by finishing, I qualify to go and do bigger things. I have athletes that come to me that say, I want to go represent team USA. How do I do this? And it's like, let's find your strengths and we're going to play into your strengths. 00:10:06 Kyla I went to Spain, I'm not a fast runner. I can not compete with people when I run good, but I'm not fast. I went to Spain, I did Aqua bike, which is swimming bike, and I'm a fast swimmer and I'm a good cyclist. So, you figure out how to get to the goals that you want to do with the skills that you have and amplifying what you're good. So, so, if you don't. 00:10:33 Roy Remind everybody what is, the distances for the triathlon and then the difference between that and the iron man, just give us , 00:10:41 Kyla Yeah, that's a great question. Generally there's four distances, right? Sprint, Olympic half and full, and then people like to invent their own. They're super sprints, which are very short. When you get to the international level, there's actually, a distance between a half and a full that it's just, it's all gonna be. So sprint is generally, it's the shortest. It's, anywhere from 500 to a thousand meter swim, which is, a quarter to a half inch of a mile, and then a 12 to 15 mile bike ride, and then a 3.1 run a mile run, and then it just scales up from there, right? We have an international or an Olympic or an international depends on how you call it, which is longer swim, 20 to 25 on the bike. And then 6.2 miles. When you get to the half, that's what we call a 70.3. That was when it gets a little serious. 00:11:42 Kyla It's a one and a quarter mile swim and a 56 mile bike ride and then easy peasy, a half marathon. So 13.1 miles. Wow. At ultra distance, or the Ironman distance is one 40.6. You may see car stickers and say one 40.6. What you can know about that is that person is legitimately committed because it takes over your life, the train from one of those. That's a two and a half mile swim, 112 miles on the bike. Then, cause you're not done a marathon 26 points. 00:12:16 Speaker 3 Gosh. So how do. 00:12:18 Kyla An athlete go that distance last year? And I have one doing it this year too. It's from a coach so much fun to train them because you really get to help them push beyond these mental boundaries that they have in there. So, 00:12:33 Terry How much training? I mean, how, I know it's a lot, but like a typical week or month, how much training is. 00:12:42 Kyla So great. That's a really great question. Let's use the example of going and ultra distance because everything scales down from there. Right. I, I plan my trainings in two weeks of build. You have two weeks where you're working pretty hard and then one week of, what we call recovery, where you're just taking easier, right? So you'll have three runs in a week, an easy run, a track workout or a speed workout, and then a long run on the weekend. If you're going on ultra that long run is anywhere from 13 to 20 miles. You pull in the cycling as well. Oh my goodness, stop, come here. Let me go. Oh my gosh, it's so professional where it's like, you really just get to see what it's like to work from home. For me, the magic number is three there's, three, one run workouts, three cycling workouts and two or three swimming workouts. 00:13:46 Kyla We also put in, yoga, Pilates and a strength or to work out in there. Right. We're really trying to hit all the things. The Swim workouts are just like swim team. A lot of people did swim team when they were kids. You're out there and you're doing drills and things, and sometimes you're just swimming a whole long thing if you're in the pool two or three times a week. The cycling is a lot like the running you have just, ending on the course that you're doing. You might have a lot of Hills, so you'd have a workout. That's just where you're going to go climb Hills for an hour and a half. You'll have a speed workout like you do when you're running, because the fast stuff where your heart is really beating really hard, really fast. That's what helps you go with the long and steady 20 miles, right. 00:14:33 Kyla So, we slowly build up over time. When you have, it's funny, you ha you'll have a peak weekend, right. Because you never do a full ultra and you never do a full half until the day you do. Yeah. Because it takes so much time recover from that a sakes like two or three months for your body to recover from an ultra distance. At least a month for a 70.3 now, like professional athletes do it differently, but they get massages every day. They get exactly the nutrition that they need. They get the hot bath, cold bath, like all that kind of stuff. On a weekend, when you're peaking, you're going to go out for like 120, 130 mile bike ride. You can get up the next morning and go for a 20 or a 22 mile run. That's, that's pretty much your weekend. People decide to go into ultra distance, I'm the first person to say, yes. 00:15:30 Kyla I never say no to anyone. Like we know is not in my coach vocabulary. Yeah. And it's a serious commitment. It's can be 20 to 30 hours of training a week. Everyone else in your life has to be on board with that. Like, if you have a partner and kids, everyone's got to understand what's going on. Yeah. Right. It is a like, so my athlete that went into ultra, it was like an 18 to 24 month process. When you really look back to where she started. It was, but that last year, that last 12 months, hilarious how it all came up at that last 12 months is where it's just, you really have to commit to it. Yeah. And, and she did, and my other one, that's going, you are the cat and ultra this year. She has a very different life than the other one. 00:16:28 Kyla My other athlete and so different, it's always the same kind of training. I think what sets me apart as a quote is slanting around the rest of their life. They get what they need to be able to go to work, be there for their kids, have time with our partner, and sit around and watch TV if that's what they really want to do. Of course, for a sprint, you just scale it all down. I still want you to do in each discipline three times a week. Right. But your bike rides are shorter. Your runs are shorter. You're like, everything is just shorter. So, yeah. So it's the same kind of thing. Three sports three times a week. 00:17:09 Roy Yeah. I think it's good to mention too, that, when we talk about the actual race itself, the marathon, no matter what, the distance, this all happens back to back, it's not like stretched out over a week. 00:17:21 Speaker 3 It's like, you run, 00:17:24 Roy You run you, 00:17:26 Kyla It's in the water at 6:00 AM and you do your swim. You come out of the water and you're all wet and you go and you get your bike. Some people change clothes and some people don't and you go out and you ride your bike, and then you come back in and you put on your sneakers and you go out and do your run. And you're done. Yeah. Super easy. It is it's all in one day. My athlete that went in ultra this past year, it was really big deal. She finished in 16 hours and 45 minutes. That's huge because it's like, under the time cut off, she did not do an Ironman branded race, but, it's under the time cutoff, but she was moving her body for 16 hours and 45 minutes. I'm like, 00:18:04 Terry That's crazy. I'm just tired of hearing about it. I need a nap. I. 00:18:08 Speaker 3 Need to, well, I just I'm like. 00:18:13 Roy When we talk about that, the physical part, I mean, you've got to get in shape and you have to start somewhere with the workouts, but the other part of this is I'm sure you really have to dial in your diet as well. 00:18:26 Kyla Yeah. It's, nutrition is a huge part of it. One of the things I find more often than not with my athletes is they're not eating enough. And, they just, or they're not getting the right balance of things, right. We're really anti diet on the team. We're very much into, eating what we want when we feel like what we want. Right. The thing is that rarely means eating a bag of Doritos usually means having a nice well-rounded meal, full of proteins and carbs and fats that really helps nourish your body so that you can get up the next morning and go run 20 miles. Right. Right. We, there are definitely some athletes where we have to count calories. When we're looking at ultra distance athletes, you go out on a seven mile bike ride, or seven hour bike ride. That's like 3000 calories. You have to eat that back, girls, your body's going to start eating itself. 00:19:30 Kyla It becomes this, how do we get in 3000 calories? So we really do start to count a little, but it's always from a perspective of we are doing what is right for our bodies and what they need at that time. It's really tough as an athlete to not listen to the enormous amount of supplements and diet culture, and pushing things and doing all this stuff because it's in our faces all the time. We have a nutritionist that works with our team who that's her specialty. The two things is how do you feel to be an athlete? And then also, how do you honor your body and eat in a healthy, real way that isn't, denying yourself? The things that you want. Yeah, 00:20:19 Roy Yeah, yeah. We talk about very well-rounded, we don't want to do anything to the extremes, but, part of that includes, and I'm sure even more is, water hydration, and then sleep. I know that, sleep is a definite downfall of mine. I've talked about that a lot because, you get up draggy, this morning it's like, I really need to go to the gym and I'm not pushing myself to even do anything for a moly, right. Close to a triathlon, or even not even close to one segment of, the, either the swim and running or that. So, get that straight, but it's still, it's like, I'm tired. I don't feel like it. So, I talk about it a lot. That sleep seems to be the trigger to begin my downfall, to spiral back into, well, I'd rather just sit here and I'll watch some TV and rest and maybe eat a nice snack or something like that. 00:21:21 Roy And then we crave that also. I think I see it makes me crave the carbs and the sugar, because I want to, it's like, I'm dragging, I need to, feel that little quick pickup. Again, that cycle you eat it and then you crave more and then you eat more, then you feel worse anyway, it's just, 00:21:40 Kyla Yeah, absolutely. It's it is that tired, that's one of the first things you have to fight, wrestle bit. Am I tired or am I exhausted? Yeah. Should I really skip this run? Because if I go out, it's actually going to be detrimental or do I just need to push myself so that thing. Right, right. So, yeah, that is a real thing that happens to the best of us to the best athletes. Am I tired or am I exhausted? How do you tell the difference? It's tough. You'll learn. You'll learn that when you're tired and you go out for that eight mile run and halfway through, you hit the wall hard and you have to call your partner to come pick you up. Wow. Yeah. That was exhausted. I shouldn't have gone out on this run. That was exhausted. Yeah. Like it is, you just learn over time and it's one of the things that when people are brand new, they, it's one of the ways we realized we're not hydrating that like you talked about, we're not eating enough. 00:22:53 Kyla Cause we're super tired all the time. Yeah. Those, I remember that first year or so of doing triathlons, my nutrition was so out of whack and I was exhausted for six months. It was exhausted all the time called nutritionist. She's like, what are you doing? Where's all your protein. Where are your carbs? Why aren't you eating any carbs? Like where like what's. I was, it was a whole new awakening. She was like, how many hours do you sleep at night? I'm like, I don't know, five or six. Yeah, no, you're at the height of your training. And you'd like eight or nine. That's where everything settles in to your body is when you're sleeping. It's really important to get that rest. That's where that recovery week, every two weeks we have, an easier week. 00:23:40 Roy Yeah. I think that difference too, for me, is, once you get to the gym and just kind of start walking and start the blood pumping, he, you can tell either you really start to feel better. You're like, okay, I'm glad I did it. Are you just really start to wilt more and be like, I just need to really regroup here and start over again. 00:23:59 Terry Yeah. Just getting there, just getting there. I mean, making yourself go and get that's key. 00:24:07 Speaker 4 Yeah. 00:24:08 Roy When, this takes a big mindset and I think that we can, what I'm trying to relate this to is, not necessarily that I want to do the triathlon or anything strenuous right. This moment. I think it's that the benefit is the mindset that you have to work with people to get their mind, right. That this is going to be, it's going to be work. It's going to be a struggle and it's going to be worth it. I look at it that way as like, with trying to dial in everything that it's, it takes a lot, but it will be worth it. What do you, how do you help? I don't know. Maybe somebody has come to you and they've gone two weeks and they're like, I can't go on, I just can't do this anymore. I know there's a lot more to it, like time constraints and this and that, but I mean, how would somebody, that's just kinda like, fatigued, kind of how do you talk them down off that and get them back on track? 00:25:09 Kyla Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, the first thing I'll say is none of my athletes would go two weeks without telling me that was going on. Right. We, we check in the training software or use, I, I can see whether or not they're doing what I've prescribed. We comment back and forth when they skip a workout. Like we have this, we have team meetings every week where everyone checks in with everyone. I, I literally had this almost exact situation happened, where an athlete came to me and said, I hated this workout. And it was a track workout. And I was like, oh my gosh. Okay, well, what's going on? And she's like, I feel like a failure when I do it. I am exhausted the rest of the day. I just don't that, like, I don't want to do it. You can see I skipped it last week. 00:25:58 Kyla Cause I don't want to do it. That's right in that moment when it's not fun anymore. That's when we changed sales, we changed the course of the ship. We change up, what's going. So, I said, okay, we're not doing those workouts anymore. No more of those. I just want you to go out, it's so funny. I just want you to go out and do an easy seven or eight miles. 00:26:17 Speaker 3 Yeah. She is. 00:26:23 Kyla We talked about what else was going on in life. Right. It turns out that they were way behind on work for work. They felt like they were drowning in that they missed an event with kids. Because tired because training because other work stuff. Right. We really tried to suss out the root of what was going on, and figure that out. You put things back in order, right? You figure out where your priorities are and you make sure that the most important things get done and the most important thing for you might not be training. Yeah. You have, you gotta have a coach who meets you where you are. Right. Some people are super serious and they want a coach tells them, you got to go out and do it and got to get it done. I don't want to excuses, but those aren't the people I work with. 00:27:31 Kyla People I work with have real jobs and real lives and real kids. And they do this for fun. Yeah. Really getting to the core of why are you doing what you're doing? Right. If it's, for whatever reason it is, if it's not a reason that sparks you, that excites you, then you're doing it for the wrong reason. Yeah. That is definitely something we spent a lot of time doing in 2020. Why do we race? Why do we do triathlons? and if it's because you want the finish line and the metal and the t-shirt, well, there weren't any in 2020, so now we've got to figure out how else we're going to get you motivated. It was a really, it was really interesting year, but so do you, how. 00:28:21 Terry Did you, how did you cope with the COVID situation as far as your coaching goes? I mean, I know that's a loaded question because there are so many different things that you had to do, but I mean, did you go virtual? Had you been virtual before? huh. It's a really. 00:28:44 Kyla Great question. We like to say now that we have this great phrase, COVID safe, we've been, COVID safe since 2017. When we started the team, it's always been virtual. We have, our team meetings are all zoom. I have athletes in Iowa and Oakland and Los Angeles and Washington DC, Fort Lauderdale, I've got athletes everywhere. Wow. We talk about, we started tossing around, we hated zoom before everyone else hated. 00:29:16 Speaker 3 First hate us. 00:29:19 Kyla It's interesting, right? Because I saw other coaches who couldn't pivot or who refused to pivot and I saw them go out of business. Yeah. My team actually flourished because people, realize they wanted a coach who focused on the finish line for them. Right. I had a lot of athletes who adjusted their sales to be less about racing and more about staying fit or getting strong. Because I already had all this stuff in place to be virtual and to support and to coach and to create community, the only thing, and it's a really big thing though. The only thing that really changed is we didn't get to see each other racist. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I saw a lot of my athletes lean into the community. Like I had not seen before, because of missing everything. 00:30:22 Roy Did most people hang with it or were there some that were like, Hey, if we can't race, I just don't want to do this. Or did most, I guess, probably athletes at that level, they wanted to maintain some form of being in shape just for the return of it. 00:30:36 Kyla Absolutely. So, I did, I had two or three athletes who were like, Hey, if there's not a race, then here's what I want to do. Right. I want to be able to do 10 pushups or I'm going to, I really am going to train so that I can do rag bra, which is, a bike ride across Iowa over a week. Right. That in itself, of course is its own start line, but that's something you train for like two years. Some of them did pivot and I did have to get clever with the coaching cause it was like, how do I maintain my athlete that, when and ultra, how do we maintain that fitness? if there isn't going to be a race. Yeah. We did, I have got, I've got four different levels of membership on my team. Some, some athletes stepped down to where there wasn't a training plan and we said like here's what you should do every three weeks kind of thing. 00:31:33 Kyla I had new athletes come in as well, who were like, I've got time. I don't have to commute to work anymore. So I've got three hours every day. Let's get serious about this. Like let's have something positive to focus on and that's getting fit, getting healthy, getting strong and getting ready for 2021. Wow. 00:31:54 Roy Yeah, that's good. It just, it, I think it, like I said, I want to take that same mindset that this is like a, it's not a one-time, we go back to the gym and then it's just over that, we have to continue even for myself, just to be in some form of normal shape because, like I said, becoming seditary, man, I'll tell you what, my bones, my joints, everything is just tight. I feel tight. That's another thing is the stretching. W how do you have a good stretching program? Because, 00:32:29 Terry You know, you mentioned yoga earlier. 00:32:34 Kyla So funny. Yeah, I, I've, I don't have a stretching program, but, I always recommend to people it's so funny, I should call her and tell her, or email. There's a great woman who does yoga with Adrian, and she's a real person and it's real yoga, and it's not, she does it. If she messes up in the recording, she just keeps going. She hasn't go back and edit in the right thing or whatever. So, a lot of my athletes really love her. She's got a whole YouTube channel. That's where I send my athletes. Now. She doesn't resonate with everyone, right. So, there are on my I'm one of them, but people who are so averse to wasting time on yoga or stretching, but it's the single greatest thing you can do. I found a YouTube of yoga to do first thing in the morning in your bed. 00:33:35 Speaker 3 Yoga to do last night, where you go. 00:33:38 Kyla To sleep well, I'm already laying down, I'm already in bed. Like, I just, I put that on and I do a little strategy before we go to sleep. I do a little stretching first thing in the morning, and that's made a really big difference for me personally. It's finding what works for you, because like you said, before going to the gym once and then never go on again, that's not going to do it. Right. We want some consistency with that. And, start small steps, make big changes, right. Finding the thing that works for you and then following through on it. Yeah. 00:34:17 Terry Yeah. That's been that the small steps, that's been a theme for everything we've been talking about. It's just finding the small step. 00:34:24 Roy Yeah. There's also been some evidence lately about, trying to make too many changes. Again, everybody has to find their own way, but this, I'd read, I don't know if it was a book or an article, but a guy wrote a great piece about this. He's like, you know, okay. You wake up today and you're fed up with being overweight. You're fed up with, not exercising. You're fed up with the types of foods that you eat. It's like you try to change, five things, not drastically, you make all these drastic changes and then you just can't keep up with everything. So, I'll and I'll get your opinion because it's kind of leads into, training for something big. But, I think probably better to add little components, little steps of each thing that you want to change instead of just, everything all at once cold Turkey. 00:35:17 Kyla Oh yeah. It's, it's really tough to just be like, so you've been in the same rut for five years and all of a sudden you're just going to have everything and do a new thing. Like, no, that's not actually going to work. It's not going to be sustainable. Right. Right. So it's small. We'll get personal. Right. For me, I'm training for a big race this year, to qualify, to go and do another ITU world championship and Australia in 2022. And I was really struggling. It was, it was really struggling with showing up on the days I needed to show up. I realized, I can't just, boom, all right, here we go. Four days in the pool, four days on the bike, two days of strength, two days a yoga, let's go when I hadn't been doing anything but morning and evening yoga sometimes. Right. I took one thing I said, I'm going to swim and I'm going to swim three days a week, Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 00:36:25 Kyla I'm going to get that locked in place. That that is just the expectation that's, what's going to happen. Right. Cause it means getting up early, which means going to bed a little earlier, it means, a lot of different things. I've done that consistently for four weeks. It probably helps that I hired a coach. Now I feel like if I don't go to the pool, I'm wasting money. Yeah. That's probably what's helping, but I've got that locked in Monday, Wednesday, Friday, go to the pool Saturday morning and go to the ocean and swim with a group of people. I really like, so this week coming up, this is where I'm going to start putting in the cycling because the swimming is on autopilot. So now we're putting in the cycling. Right. It's tough finding the right days for it, with scheduling and all that stuff. Like when you work for yourself, you think, oh yeah, you can do whatever you want. 00:37:19 Kyla Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not a myth. Getting one thing in place and establishing that takes 21 days to make a habit. Right. You put one more thing in and chances are that second thing you put in, it's going to pick up a little faster because you've already established a rhythm. Right. Right. Then it just sort of snowballs, right. Small steps, big changes. Yeah. Yeah. So one thing at a time. Yeah. 00:37:54 Terry We're at, and we're in the process of changing over and trying a plant-based diet. I think what, which week are we on? Okay. You're on. 00:38:02 Roy About the third week. Yeah. Yeah. We've made it through our three weeks and we're not being crazy if we want a piece of fish or a piece of meat, and we'd go out and get it. That's not, it, we're just trying to eliminate as much that and dairy as we possibly can and see, it's been a blessing for me on my blood. Sugar has been not as low as where I need it to be, but it's been stable. I don't see the huge spikes and anyway, some stuff moderating, but like I, I, hadn't been to the gym in about two months and went last night and I just, I am, like enthusiastic, let me put it that way. Enthusiastic, maybe an overachiever. I don't know. It's like I made it there. I want to do everything I possibly can and do as much as I can. 00:38:52 Roy Last night I just had to dial it back and of course Terry said, dinner's going to be ready and you gotta be home by this time. I had, she gave me a deadline, so I didn't hang out there. 00:39:02 Terry I knew you'd want to be there for four or five hours. I'm like, okay. You wouldn't be, it would take all that recovery time before he could go back. 00:39:10 Roy Like I just, I walked for about, 20 minutes, easy light walk. Then, I just feel very tight. What I did, I went over and did a couple of, upper body machines, just very lightweight, just did one rep of each one. And then the legs, the same thing. I did a couple of them just to, kind of start loosening up. I've I will tell you that for as little as I did, I'm very sore this morning. Then, yeah, well, and I didn't, we didn't get a lot of sleep. There was a little episode somewhere, we live out in the country. I guess after the bars closed last night, somebody was driving down the main road, not far from us. And they were, setting off some firearms. Like, not just once, 00:39:55 Terry But there was like 20, 25 shots. 00:39:58 Roy Two this morning, two 30 this morning, we're up. 00:40:00 Terry Like four or five bursts, a shots about 2 15, 2 30 am. 00:40:05 Roy Yeah. We're up seeing if we're under attack. 00:40:08 Speaker 3 Woke Roy up. I'm like, right. I think. 00:40:10 Terry That was gunshot. I think that was gunshots. 00:40:14 Speaker 3 Oh. So anyway, 00:40:15 Roy That, so I've been dragging today and I think that's maybe another reason why I'm a little sore, but it felt so good when I got home last night, I just told Terry, I said, I've got to fight and find a way to get in there every day just to do something. Just that movement is so good for me. And, 00:40:34 Terry Or every other day, so you can build up to it every couple of days and we can walk around here. Yeah. 00:40:42 Roy It's a good time for me to clear my head. When we go for a walk, it's just, that's my meditation as well, I think is just gives me time to think and where we live in such an awesome place that we're surrounded by nature. We go out for a walk, we're just out in the middle of the woods and, it's, it is such an experience. It really is watch for snakes. 00:41:07 Speaker 3 On like that. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well we. 00:41:11 Kyla Thank you for the key to that soreness. Yes. Oh yes. Little bit more hydration than usual, right? And more protein than usual. You usually the day of, or the day after I hit the gym, I'll hide. That's when I break down and I'll have a protein smoothie. Right. Okay. Which is hard because I also try to eat a lot of not processed. Right. We call it a low to the earth and what is it? Something, a load of the earth, meaning, plant-based stuff. Right. But, I have a really great protein powder that I like that's made out of pea protein. So, a scooper to have that little bit of milk, some spinach, that extra protein is what's going to help your muscles feel better. As soon as you can get that in, that's why all of like what I call the lung kids at the gym, they've always got that like protein. 00:42:10 Speaker 3 Flash, chugging. Yeah. 00:42:13 Kyla There's, there's stuff behind that. Right. Of course they're checking the whey protein, which is not as great for you, but, if you're going, plant-based, there's pea protein, there's soy protein, which is all right for a dude. There's lots of different choices, but just upping that protein intake by just like an extra 20, 30 grams, which is just discomfort to, that'll really help with that soreness. If you can, and don't knock it till you try it, an Epsom salt bath with of baking soda in it will do wonders. Yeah. No, don't knock it. No, I'm not. 00:42:54 Roy I am so not against the hot bath at all. Oh my gosh. It makes, it just makes my whole body feel. And. 00:43:02 Kyla If you want to go every day, look at me. I can't not be a coach go to the gym every day. There's nothing wrong with that. Right. Do your arms one day and do your legs the next day. You always do of a core workout because that benefits everything, but arms one day legs, one day. That way when you're sore and a little tired the next day, you're like, well, that's all right. That's all right. I'm going to work my arms and my chest and my back today. So that'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. That's when you go, but you can also look up online. There's something called, three-day splits. That's it's like actual, here's what you do on these three days. You maximize your time at the gym. Like one day we'll be, these muscle sets and that muscle set and that thing. I only, I asked my athletes to do strength like twice a week, and then yoga as well. 00:43:53 Kyla We, but triathletes do different kinds of strength training because we never isolate one muscle. Yeah. We're always going to work two muscles at the same time, because that's what we do when we're out racing. Right. So we're doing any of our sports. So, but I'm a, three-day a three-day split might actually be really great for you because then it's like, you lock in those three days a week and this is what you go and do. On the odd days, you and Terry can go out for a nice walk and not get bit by snakes. 00:44:18 Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, any other, no, that's great. 00:44:26 Roy Any other tips and tricks before we wrap this up, that you'd give anybody, that's either just wanting to start, getting in shape or maybe even wants to take that next step. Right? Small. 00:44:37 Kyla Steps make big changes. Okay. Oh. If you just wanted to get started, the best thing you can do. Absolutely. Honestly, the best thing you can do is find a coach or a team that knows how to work with beginners, right? Comradery is one of the greatest things about triathlon. When you find a coach who really knows how to work with beginners there, they're going to give you plans and training and all that other stuff that's going to meet you right. Where you are. Right. In theory, that coach shouldn't cost a lot of money. In theory, some coaches do, at the very least finding a community or a team like Facebook works with that. There are only a few coaches out there that have a level of membership on their team. That's just community. I have that level. If you want to come and check out that's good. 00:45:32 Kyla Small steps make big changes, right. Little things start with two workouts a week, and then there's more than enough time to get up to the six or seven a week that triathletes usually do so most half, I don't know some triathletes, but small steps make big changes, and find yourself a community that will support you and tell you what mistakes to not make. Yeah. 00:46:00 Roy That's great advice. So, what is something that you do every day that you feel like adds a lot of value in? It can be professional or personal, but just a habit, an app, computer program, anything like that? 00:46:14 Kyla I don't think I do every day. Every day I do the New York times crossword puzzle. I'm probably that's the old and I drink water. Those are probably the two things I do every single day. What I try to do every single day is spend 15 or 20 minutes in the morning or in the evening. It depends on where I am figuring out how I'm going to spend my time that day or the next day. Right. A lot of times. Like today, when we're done, I'm going to spend about 20 minutes planning out Monday and Tuesday. Right. Cause I'm trying to get that bike locked in, but spending time, planning your time. That way when I come into the office in the morning, I'm like, Nope, I know what I need to be working on right now. It's dotted out of that. Right. Yep. Then, find something fun that engages your brain, whether it's a Sudoku or a crossword puzzle, or like some, puzzle game on your phone or your computer and do that every day, because that's going to keep your mind sharp and it's something that you can look forward to every day. 00:47:24 Kyla So, yeah. Yeah. 00:47:26 Roy Yeah. I think that's important about the, we always say plan your work and work your plan because you come in and sat down in the morning with the text and the phone and emails and just so much stuff to get distracted that if you've got a plan, you can come in and sit down and get on it. I'm much more productive when. 00:47:44 Terry I do that too much noise everywhere. Yeah, exactly. 00:47:49 Roy Well, right. Well tell everybody how they can tell them who you'd like to work with, how you can help them. Of course, how can they reach out and get ahold of you? 00:47:59 Kyla Awesome. The, I really like to work with beginner, triathletes and triathletes who, want to take on a big challenge, but don't know where to start. Right. I, I really come at it from what I call a holistic heart centered approach, which is you are an entire human being with an entire life. I know that triathlon is not the center of that. I'm going to figure out how you can get everything in there. Right. Okay. We are committed to a radical level of body acceptance. It doesn't matter where you are on whatever scale, whether it's your bathroom scale, your gender scale, your race schedule, scale, whatever it is. You're going to be welcomed on my team with open arms. If you've not experienced that in other places, come on over and let us know. You can find me at, www.teamgobig.life. So www.teamgobig.life. 00:49:08 Kyla From there, you can navigate to all the other places on the website. And, you can schedule a 30 minute discovery session with me where I get to learn all about you and what's going on in your life and figure out, whether or not you're a good fit for our team. If you're not, I know so many coaches and I know the good ones, and I'm going to point you in that right direction. Because the last thing I want is for you to be in the wrong place. 00:49:36 Roy Great. We will put all that in the show notes, but I think that a couple things that you, I think to a couple of things you touched on that need to probably be emphasized are that the acceptance part is that, it's so important to find a group that you feel comfortable because if you don't feel comfortable with the group, no matter what the level or how big, how great their plan is, you're not gonna take part and do that. The acceptance part, but also, the discovery to find out where people are, because, unfortunately the internet, sometimes it's a one pill fixes all. So it's like, Hey, I'm a coach. I got, this plan worked for Joe. It's gonna work for you. It's like, well, me and Joe May be totally different or have different goals or whatever. That, meeting people where they're at, that's an awesome thing. 00:50:27 Roy That's something to keep in mind when you're selecting business coaches, athletic, sporting coaches, health coaches, whatever, just make sure that somebody is going to take the time to really talk to you, find out what your goals are, find out where you are, find out your hurdles. I mean, just like me, if I came to you and said, I wanna, be run a triathlon, in two weeks, at least you can talk me down from that, say, that may not be the best thing. Look at the schedule too, because when whatever we do in life, work family, all that stuff has to come first and has to be worked in there somewhere. And then, so finding that good match. You can't just say, look, you got to give me, two hours a day at this time. Anyway, I think those are just important points to emphasize to the audience that, make sure you find somebody that can, really take an interest in you. 00:51:23 Kyla Absolutely. Roy, if you wanted to do a triathlon in two weeks, I wouldn't say no to you, 00:51:29 Kyla Right. You said at the beginning, why. 00:51:34 Kyla We would have a serious discussion about what kind of race you wanted to have and what your goals for that were. We would, we would get, if you said, do you want to do an iron man? I, I, I, we would, 00:51:49 Speaker 3 We would figure it out. And you would. 00:51:52 Kyla Go in with the, with a realistic set of expectations. Cause I'm never going to say no, it's just, I can't say no to anyone. That's why my kittens keep walking. Maybe, 00:52:03 Roy Maybe Terry, let me roll the window down while she drove me through the course, at least I could smell the fresh air. 00:52:12 Kyla Oh, I love it. The honking the horn. 00:52:16 Roy All right, well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Of course, I'm a hope your host, Roy, and we appreciate you listening very much. You can always find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media networks platforms, as well as all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not a one that you listen to regularly, please check us out. Please let us know and we'll be glad to get that added for you. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your family. Thanks. Thank you. www.teamgobig.life www.feedingfatty.com
Diabetics Need To Pay Careful Attention To Sleep Habits and Sleep Issues with Terry and Roy There was a sleep study released last week that found if you have diabetes and don't sleep well are at an 87% greater risk of dying within the nine-year study period than those that didn't have diabetes. There was a question of correlation, does poor sleep lead to diabetes or does diabetes lead to poor sleep. Either way, sleep is an important factor in our all-around health. About Terry and Roy After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits. And implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism), losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it's not just counting calories and cutting out sweets www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Diabetics Need To Pay Careful Attention To Sleep Habits and Sleep Issues with Terry and Roy 00:00:13 Roy Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm your host, Roy tearing. This, program we want to, what we try to do is talk about our journey through our wellness. That includes, how we eat, what we eat, not necessarily being on a diet, but our diet in general, we talk about exercise mindset, just a lot of things that are related to, our health and wellness and just living a better life for us. So, w w we usually have guests on as well, it's about our journey. We talk about some personal issues, but we also have guests that are professionals in the space. Typically we have them on Tuesdays on our Thursday release. We usually do our, something more personal what's going on in our life. Also we've kind of made a decision to, be more, be a little more candid about diabetes and be, do a lot more focus on, current issues or things that are going on with the diabetes, or just delivering information on our Thursday. 00:01:19 Roy That'll kind of be our focus for some time anyway, we may change to, something else later on, but we want to go for this because, I know it's been no secret that I suffer from type two diabetes. Most of that's because of the weight I carry around my belly and then also, just poor eating habits. Something that definitely needs to be discussed, not only for my health, but I'm sure there are a lot of people out there that struggle just the same as I do, because I love to eat. I love food. I love all kinds of food. Unfortunately, some of the food that I love most garlic bread, all the sweets. 00:02:00 Terry And things like that. Those are. 00:02:02 Roy All the worst things for. Anyway, we're going to kind of come on. I think another thing, we'd been talking about this the last few weeks, but then, we've had some poor eating habits that, we've been eating out a lot. It seems like, and on the run and celebrations, coming out of COVID, everybody wants to go out to eat or, get together and eat. Anyway, there's just been a lot of things going on and, my dad, my diabetic readings the last week, or so were terrible. I mean, they were extreme and something I've never seen before. Anyway, it just sparked us to say, look, we need to probably talk about this more, not only to help ourselves, but maybe we can help somebody else out there. 00:02:48 Terry Oh yeah, for sure. I mean the more information we can help put out there just for discussion, because we are not the professionals, we're not medical, we're not professionals. We're just talking about. 00:03:03 Roy Yeah. That's something we need to always get out of the way. When we talk about this, as we are not medical professionals, we're not researchers, we're delivering our personal opinions and things that we read. We always tell you to seek out your own medical, your own physician or your own medical advisors to find out what's best with you. Also, the, your dietician people like seek out your professional because every individual situation is different. It's not, we're not all the same, but we just hear our own research. 00:03:34 Terry I mean, google yourself. Don't get way too involved with Dr. Google, but, just do your own research. However you do that, do it. 00:03:45 Roy Well in that way, too, because we still think, even with your own research, you need to seek out a medical professional, but at least you walk in armed with things that you could talk about. I mean, there's, and they may say, nah, that's not for you, or that's not a good thing. Or there's the side effects. There could be a lot of issues, but at least it's dialogue, which that's how we solve problems is talking about it. Our medical professionals are very smart, but they don't necessarily keep up on every new and different thing that's coming out as much as they would love to try to. There's just so many things that are coming at them all the time. So anyway, it's a good conversation starter. 00:04:25 Terry Yeah. We, do, we want to get started with this? 00:04:29 Terry Go ahead. Okay. So, 00:04:31 Terry There was a study released this past week that said people with diabetes who have trouble falling or staying asleep, or 87% more likely to die of any case what? Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry to die prematurely. 00:04:51 Terry If they have both diabetes had diabetes and sleep disruption, correct. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. 00:04:58 Terry Yeah, so that is, I just want to go to sleep. Yeah. I don't have diabetes that I know of, but I'm good. 00:05:09 Roy Yeah. What, it's kinda like a triangle is the best way we talked about this earlier is that kind of at the top of that triangle is being overweight. The, if you go down the, to the left side, that bottom part would be, diabetes. If you kind of go over to that right part corner of the triangle, that would be, sleep disruption in this part. What they're saying is, and they don't really know. I think some, another researcher not involved in the study actually asked the question. Do we have poor sleep because we have diabetes or do we have diabetes because we have poor sleep. I don't think they make that distinction. I think they're just saying that, if you're overweight and you go down that, then now all of a sudden your sleep and your diabetes are connected in some way. We have to be careful about that. 00:06:04 Roy And, I've, our pillars of what we want to do for our health, drink water, exercise, and sleep is important. We talk about this, I talk about my downfall is my sleep and where we've been the last month or so, for those listening, that we've had internet issues to the extreme, we finally got those worked out, we think. Then, we haven't, luckily we had some recordings that were backlogs, so were able to keep releasing, but the reality is it's been a real struggle and we haven't recorded or even scheduled anybody for probably a month now a month or more. So anyway, we're getting back into that. We're fixing to send out some taping invites, but, I meant. 00:06:54 Terry To, I'm sorry, I'm going to interrupt you. I meant to sh to forward you, this meme that I saw, it said, kids, families without internet service, and it was a photo of little house on the Prairie and all of them, it was hilarious. And I was thinking about it. It was like, okay, yeah, not a pioneer woman. I just want it when I want it. And when you don't have it. Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes. That's. 00:07:19 Roy Kind of been the way we've been little house on the Prairie for awhile, but the, I guess how that relates to the diabetes and sleep is that we've had to go to eating establishments that didn't serve the best quality of food for, our, what we way that we want to eat. Then, actually having to stay up later because of the travel or coming home and having difficulty in upload. I mean, the, my sleep pattern has just been way out of whack the last few weeks. Of course that is always to me, what starts the eating, because if I'm staying up late, that means that I want to eat late. I need, I feel, tired and depleted. I feel like if I can eat, I'll get a boost of energy and what works best for that is of course, sugary substances or, carbs, things like that. 00:08:10 Roy Bumps me up to, it's bad for the diabetes. It's bad for the weight, bad for diabetes, way bad for sleep. I mean, if you're eating right before you go to sleep, it's just, yeah. So, yeah. Then, even just getting four or five hours of sleep and trying to do that for weeks or days or weeks on end, it just, it is a negative for me. It, it starts a lot of things. Anyway, kind of figuring out this link between diabetes and sleep, it's very important and, there's so many reasons why we need to get our sleep. Also, we can relate our diabetes back to, the, I guess the instance of, Alzheimer's not going to say everybody that's got diabetes is going to get all timers, but I think there's a lot of research that's going on out there now saying that, Alzheimer's is kind of a type three diabetes. 00:09:06 Roy Typically, if you go into older age with the diabetic issue, you may have a higher chance of, having Alzheimer's. So all of this stuff is interrelated. It's interrelated with our wellness. We want to make sure that, we kind of get this information out, but personally that we do all we can do to get that good sleep cycle, get the exercise in, and then along with eating, right. We'll be able to, reduce the, that body weight. Also I feel like I sleep better when we've had exercise, the days that we're active and we're moving and trying to work it in, I feel like my sleep cycle is much better than just, if I'm sitting here at my desk all day, cause again, I've got me a new Fitbit. So I'm excited about that. I've had a, I had an iWatch for a long time and the thing just quit working. 00:10:06 Roy It quit updating and I couldn't get it connected, but I really I'm really like the Fitbit. I was disappointed in the iWatch, when I got it. Anyway, back to the Fitbit, it's got the reminder about taking the 2,250 steps every hour and then, I've just felt better. Those days when, we're out pushing in and getting our stuff done, I tend to come in and go right to sleep and sleep, on the, I've always been a fairly good sleep. Oh my. 00:10:35 Terry Gosh, you do sleep well. I am so jealous. You just like hit the pillow and within five minutes, you're done here. I am. I watched a movie after you went to sleep last night. So I didn't go to bed. I was in bed at 10 30, but I didn't go to bed sleep until 2:00 AM. Yeah. 00:10:53 Terry You just hit the pillow and you're done well, the. 00:10:55 Roy Show were watching, we actually had to turn it off because I think I made it through like five minutes, but I was exhausted. The problem is with that is, over the last three or four weeks, been averaging, five or six hours a night. And, and they're saying, 00:11:11 Terry They're saying, good sleep, they're referring to good sleep as seven hours, seven to nine hours, but seven hours for sure. 00:11:22 Roy It's where I try to be. That's the other thing, I'm not sure about the iWatch. I don't want to talk it down in this, but I will say that is one thing I'm liking about the Fitbit. It shows your sleep, and I'm not sure how accurate all this is, but, I was trying to find it. I keep meaning to wear. 00:11:44 Terry Mine. My apple watch when we sleep by forget, I'm too tired. And then I don't sleep. 00:11:53 Roy Yeah. Because my sleep scores, I think last Sunday, I guess we must've gone to bed early. I had like an 85. 00:11:59 Terry Oh yeah. I remember sleep score, but yeah. I was late to celebrate. And so then we, you know, my. 00:12:06 Roy Sleep score since then have all been in the sixties. And, so anyway, it's important. I think it's, for me personally, I will say it's important for a lot of factors, just my overall, doing analytical stuff. Being able to think critically being able to be in a decent mood, not letting some of the struggles, that we've had, compound and, be more upset about things that typically shouldn't be, but because you're so extremely tired and you're pressed for time and that this, technical issue we've run into is going to cost you more time. It just compounds to a point of craziness. So, but anyway, let's get back to the sleep study. I just wanted to reiterate that, how important I feel that sleep is for me personally. 00:12:54 Terry Oh yeah. They, it's just, it's a vicious cycle. I mean, it's you, so like type two diabetes, people who have type two diabetes tend to be overweight and may suffer from obstructive sleep apnea. They're predisposed to like kidney, issues and, neuropathy, just, everything is a vicious cycle. Everything just builds on to another thing. To where you can't even identify where it comes from. Right? 00:13:28 Roy Yeah. This is a part of this study, they, this wasn't just with diabetics. I think that what came out of it started as a sleep study as a secondary group, they kind of looked at the diabetic part, but this is just saying that for people, even without diabetes, they are 11% more likely to die within nine year followup than people without who slept well. The, if you're, even if you're not a diabetic and don't sleep well, you've gotten 11%, more likeliness to die within this. They did a nine year followup and that's what they found. So, it's important for everybody no matter who we are. And, again, I will say, I think that they've even started linking the sleeping issue to a prevalence of Alzheimer's as well. So, if we go into our older age, some of these things that we do in our younger age will catch up with us in our older age. 00:14:26 Roy And, there's the old saying that if I known I was going to live this long, I would take a lot better care of myself. That's another thing is that, we need to get this message out to start early because whatever you're doing in your younger adulthood, you will carry that into your older adulthood. And, there's just a cause. 00:14:45 Terry Effect, there's a cause and effect to everything. When you're younger, you are blazing new trails, you're reinventing wheels. You want to do it for yourself. That's the main thing you want to blaze your own path, ? Right. You know that we have a few years on us, some experience helps, but, you know, we're still learning, but now I'm more open to inviting in research from all different areas, friends, family, online, all of it. I would have been if I were younger, cause I was such a rebel anyway, I wanted to do it all myself. Right. 00:15:31 Roy Yeah. We just need to, just really take note that, a lot, there's a lot of scientific, there's a lot more good scientific information out there. So, and current, 00:15:41 Terry It's not like you have to reach for the insight encyclopedia, Britannica, however you say, I don't know we had all of those, but it wasn't Cray was as current as it was. We thought it was cool. We didn't have to go to the library cause we had it at home. Yeah. Right. 00:15:57 Roy Yeah. This just, again, kind of reiterating the point that I just found a caption in here and this information that we are talking to you about, it's we found this on CNN health, a lot of great places to go. And the, 00:16:11 Terry And the study and the study. 00:16:13 Terry Came out, on June, in June a journal of sleep in the journalist sleeper. 00:16:21 Roy Okay. It was actually, I'm just trying to find, oh, the, Christie, Kristin, 00:16:28 Terry Ken Knutson and E van Cotter. They did a study that was released just, well, that was released at the, in the us national library of medicine, the NIH. 00:16:42 Roy Yeah. They are neurology and preventive medicine at Northwestern university Feinberg school of medicine. We just want to give credit to, all these great professionals that are out there looking, but, they just said that, sleep is, it's important to, I was just looking here. It said that even regardless of the diabetes, that sleep is important. So anyway, yeah. So, what are things we can do? I think they talk about people that fall asleep and, there's the falling asleep issue. There's the waking up in the middle of the night and, really need to talk to a physician to try to get a handle on that. They have a lot of sleep studies that are going on that you can be involved with again, to find out what your individual situation is. Is it sleep apnea? Is it yeah. Your root cause. And then if. 00:17:42 Terry You, and if you have diabetes, treat your diabetes, for sure. I treat your diabetes. Right. You also need to take into effect that you're not sleeping well. 00:17:56 Roy Yeah. And we'll talk about this more. I'm sure. The only way you can treat your diabetes is to monitor it. I, I will say that I'm not the best that when I know I'm eating bad, I don't want to look at it cause I know what's going to be in bed, but the only way to really be able to manage it is to see, where are you at when you wake up? What does different types of foods do to you? So you can know, cause there, every people are affected differently by different types of foods. Some people may be, some diabetics may be able to eat something and it not have an effect. Some others, it blows them out of the water. That's why it's important, two hours after every meal to test to see, Hey, what did that do to me? Keep a record of it that way, Hey, I can eat this. 00:18:45 Roy One thing I can't do is, eat, even though, I try to stay under about 40 carbs a day. I can't eat all 40 at one meal. So, you have to spread those out, through the day, I try to be more carb heavy in the morning when I know I'm gonna, work off an exercise and then, or just, living through the day, I know I'll burn them off a little better, but then also the way that you pair different foods. Again, we'll talk about all this stuff more in future episodes, but also want to get this, the two people that we watched on YouTube that time about the eating. No, it was about the way that your, the, something about was being captured in your muscles. That was, I don't remember the whole deal, but it was about the insulin and the sugar. Yeah. We need to really get that information out because I thought those were two, respective individuals in the field and they were very good. 00:19:51 Roy They had some good, a good, both of them had good YouTube videos where they actually laid it out and showed you some good. Yeah, 00:19:58 Terry That'd be good to talk about. And, what I was also gonna mention is you in the past and correct me if I'm wrong in the past, you have taken your medication, your diabetes medication, like in the morning and at night, and now what are we doing? We doing it meal time. Yeah. Trying. 00:20:20 Roy To do it at meals. Yeah. I'll just see if there's a difference. I just don't think I've ever had much luck with the medication that I'm on. What we've tried to do is, what I've tried to do, look at some different research and, there's some people that say take it in the morning and at night. There's some that say, take it with a meal. So we I've moved to taking it. We haven't done that long enough to really see any, see what the effect, but trying to do it with that last meal of the day, especially to see since we don't, a lot of times we fast in the morning until lunch. So, I'll may take one just when we get up, just because, but, yeah, but the, yeah, I just have I've always felt like it really hasn't helped me that much. So, trying to move some things around and again, I just, I carry so much weight that is the biggest issue with me, even if, even when I eat clean, I can still test bad just because I carry so much. 00:21:27 Roy So working on that simple, yeah. It's way important. I need you around honey. I'm like, I don't like those high readings. All right. Anything else you want to talk about before we get out of here? No, just. 00:21:42 Terry How important sleep is to everybody, but I'm, just if you have diabetes, treat for sure, treat your diabetes, take your meds, get your readings, even though you don't want to know what they are, get them. Maybe something will click in to make you take measures to get to a better place. Right. You know, it's yeah. Sometimes we have to be scared. 00:22:10 Roy Into I'm scared into doing something. When you see some of those extremely high readings, and of course that can be a catalyst. 00:22:19 Terry Reality is just the reality setting in it just. 00:22:23 Roy Yeah. And all the damage. That's the thing is I, we need to really lay out the damage of diabetes because, somebody like myself, I've never been hampered by it much. I don't think I give it as much thought or as much consideration or revered as much as I should. Again, I think it's cumulative that, in the beginning stages, you probably don't have a lot, but as you'd let it progress. As you age, there are going to be ramifications for not dealing with it in a timely manner. Again, those are, those would be some good topics for some future episodes to say, what are some of the different, not only the people that the professionals, that we want them to see, but also some of the, what are the, yeah. What are the ramifications of not dealing with it? 00:23:16 Terry Yeah, because I mean, pre-planning is important in all aspects of your life, ? And if you just reality of taking the readings and not acting like you're Bulletproof, because we are aging, I'm aging. I'm not throwing. 00:23:35 Terry You under the bus, 00:23:37 Terry We don't need to wait until something drastic happens. We don't need to re we need to respond and react. 00:23:45 Terry Because it's too late. Then that's. 00:23:47 Roy The reality with this. Don't want to get too graphic, but if you have to lose a toe or a limb, you can't go back and say, okay, I'm going to get my mind right now, do it. Or if you damage your kidneys and then of course the Alzheimer's connection, all of that stuff, you just can't turn it back. It's not a do over it's. This is, this is life. Yeah. And it's done. So, all right, we look forward to bringing you more information on that, but for today, that's going to do it for me. Yeah. 00:24:16 Terry If you, if there's anything that you want to talk about specifically about diabetes, aging, whatever, please go to our Facebook group, go to our Instagram, please reach out. We'd love it. Yep. Yep. We're. 00:24:29 Roy On all the major platforms, social media platforms. We probably hang out, I would say on, probably Instagram more than any place is our preferred place. You can reach out there. We're on all the major podcast platforms, Google, iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify. We're not a one that she listened to reach out. We'd love to get on it and make it easier for you to listen to us. Our website, www.feedingfatty.com. Also, there's a fairly new logo that we just put up. We'd love to hear your comments. Terry designed that one herself. I think she did an awesome job. It looks great. Check us out, see what you think. And, yeah. We'd love to hear any comments about professionals in this industry that you would like to hear from your story. If you have a transformation story, we would love to hear that, just reach out. 00:25:26 Roy We'll see if we can, book a date to the table and if you're struggling, 00:25:29 Terry Come on. Let's, you know, it takes a village. 00:25:32 Roy Let's talk about it. Yeah. Cause we can, sometimes being there to support each other is what it's about or, being able to find the correct help. Always. We can see what we can do, but yeah, starting a discussion. That is the that's the first. Yep. That's the first point. With your medical professionals, not just us, but talk to a medical professional, registered dietician nutritionist. There's a lot of great professionals out there that can help. And, we have, if you haven't checked us out, go back and look at some of our past episodes. We have had some amazing guests and we've got some amazing ones lined up for the future that we can't wait to get out here. We'll try to be a little more regular on these Thursday releases, about what's going on with us. Not only that, but trying to focus on the diabetes for a while and see if we can get that going. 00:26:24 Roy Anyway, until next time I'm Roy Terry, www.feedingfatty.com
Are You Substituting the Pleasures of a Good Relationship with Food? with Roman Mironov Our relationships are such an important part of our life. Especially the intimate relationship, the one that we have with our romantic partner because when we feel good in the relationship, everything else basically falls into place. When we don't, let's say our relationship gets toxic. We tend to go to food and other addictions as a coping mechanism. About Roman I'm a relationship coach trained by Robbins Madanes, the official training center of Tony Robbins. I help clients create those beautiful moments in a relationship that you wish you could relive over and over. I teach you how to be grateful for your partner, respect them, and communicate effectively. www.romanmironov.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Are You Substituting the Pleasures of a Good Relationship with Food? with Roman Mironov 00:00:15 Roy Hello everybody. Welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So we are the podcast. We are chronically in my journey through getting healthy, again, diet, exercise, change in mindset. So, we talk from time to time about the struggles and things that we do and Terry support for that. We also have, professionals as guests from time to come on and help us out. Give us some different viewpoints on things that we can do better to help us in this journey. Today is no different. Terry I'll let you introduce Roman. 00:00:50 Terry Yeah. Roman Marinov is a relationship coach trained by Robbins. Madanes the official training center of Tony Robbins. He helps clients create beautiful moments in a relationship that you wish you could relive over and over. He teaches you how to be grateful for your partner, respect them and communicate effectively likes to help people realize there's a potential and to live a happy lifestyle. Roman, thank you for being on the show. Welcome. 00:01:20 Roman Well, Ryan Garrett, thank you so much. It's an honor. I'm very happy to be with you today. Thank you. 00:01:28 Roy Yeah. Because we explore, relationships, with our food, with exercise, with life, and then also, with each other, Terry is such a big part of, me getting her well, she's a big part of life, no, either way, but we worked together and she is very instrumental in helping me on this path to wellness. So, let's just talk about that. What, how do relationships, affect things like are eating motivation, things like that. 00:02:05 Roman Oh, they actually affect them a lot because our relationships is such an important part of our life. Especially the intimate relationship, the one that we have with our romantic partner, because when we feel good in the relationship, everything else basically falls into place. When we don't, let's say our relationship gets toxic. We tend to go to food and other addictions as a coping mechanism. 00:02:38 Roy Okay. Yeah. I think it's two fold because for me, sometimes I can be driven just the other ways that, we're excited, things are going good and it's always like, Hey, let's go out and celebrate and have something good to eat. That's all it's like to celebrate. One thing that we're trying to, work hard on or, the, I guess, relating to different things as, food triggers, not only in our relationship, but work in life. It's just that, instead of having everything as a celebration point to run out and, eat some really good food, we're trying to change that to like maybe go do five pushups or do an exercise, do something physical instead of going for that food. 00:03:28 Roman Yeah, exactly. That's why when I celebrate, I made sure not to celebrate for food because it really only adds to the addiction. We're talking about addictions makes us stronger. It makes the neural pathways between food and pleasure is stronger in your mind. Right. 00:03:49 Roy Yeah. I think, we had a guest on this last week and were talking about some things that, and we try to look back in our past that relationships that we've had and things that have happened. And, I've been very fortunate that I have, I had an awesome childhood adulthood, life has just been very good for me. I'm blessed and couldn't ask for more, but the one thing that we kind of uncovered this last week was, ice cream. And, my relationship with that, as far as it being that celebratory mechanism that, as growing up, I had two grandpas that whenever anything, if were working, it'd be like, let's go down. You know, you worked really hard today. Let's go celebrate with some ice cream. Of course, taking a break, like my dad, when I'd go to work with them, we'd be like, oh, let's take a break and run over to dairy queen and get this. 00:04:47 Roy It's interesting that, while I never really thought about it until this week that I've carried that around in life with me, not necessarily as a negative, that something went bad and that's what triggers, but actually mainly that may be just the opposite. It was such a positive experience that, as cream is my thing that I've gotta be very careful with. 00:05:18 Roman Yes, yes. I know it makes a lot of sense. You associated again associated tons of pleasure with ice cream. Right. And that's when, right. When you want to feel great, now we just go to ice cream. Right. 00:05:33 Terry Also with your relationship with your grandparents, just anybody that you're thinking about that you had that celebratory mode with, it's like, it brings up good feelings, loving feelings with that. Yeah. 00:05:48 Roy It, and it carries over to, our spouse, our partner, because it's like, it, and it's not her not Terry's fault more me. I'm the one, I'm the trigger. It'd be like, oh, we had such a good day today. Let's rush out and get something to eat. Anyway, definitely something that we've been working on is to try to find, and maybe it's just as simple as let's go take a walk instead of, making food that focal point. 00:06:14 Terry To make a nachos at one o'clock in the morning, like we did a few months ago. Right. 00:06:21 Roy What are some other things that we can do to strengthen those relationships? And I, I, I'm assuming that this applies not only to our loved ones, but the relationships that we build with our families and coworkers and just, pretty much relationships in general. 00:06:41 Roman Yeah. That's a great question. I think you guys are a couple that's a great role model for me. I've been talking to you before and today, and I think that there was great energy between you and that's something that I definitely want to write and to be more specific, we need more communication. If you want to improve your relationship with the other person, remember that communication is the blood of the relationship. So, one thing to do is to make sure that you engage your partner in very deep conversations, not just shallow things about day to day stuff early into deeper emotions and feelings asked and how they feel and being asking very specific questions that also helps not just how are you, right? Yeah. How did you feel about that person saying that? Or how did you feel when you were in pain today? Those kinds of high quality questions? Another tip is to always be 100% present in the conversation. 00:07:54 Roman Make sure that you're not distracted by anything right. Gave that presence, that gift of your presence to your part. I will come in the eye be 100% there, especially if you are a man because women feminine women, they are very susceptible to this. Let's say the third tip is to make sure that you make your partner feel significant. You remind them that they are important to you. You praise them for every little thing. You make sure that they feel that they're appreciated because this is important. Yeah. Oftentimes we just take our partners for granted and we never gave them that praise or the feeling of significance. Yeah. 00:08:42 Terry Roy's really, Roy is really good at that. I mean, he D he tells me how grateful he is for me. I, I can't even tell countless times a day. I'm just like, oh me, I, I can't take a compliment. It's really hard for me to do. Yeah, 00:08:59 Roy Yeah. She is, I think it's an effort between both of us because she takes such good care of me in so many ways that it's like, Ooh, I've got to keep telling her not only because she is really awesome, but also because I don't want her to think I take it for granted or, those little bitty things that she does. I don't want her to think that they're unnoticed or overlooked. They're all just to me, the little things are as important as the big things. Probably more important day to day. 00:09:31 Roman Wow. That's some beautiful level of consciousness. Yeah. That's Tourette. Yeah. I can appreciate it. 00:09:40 Terry He's really good about it. He's also really good about trying to talk things out, trying to get to the root of causes, which I'm not like, I'll take care of him the way that I know how, and that's cooking and doing what I need to help make sure that he's being healthy and that I'm being healthy and all of that. I need to learn to verbalize that better. You have any tips on that? I mean, it's just hard. I don't know why it's so hard. 00:10:12 Roman Oh, that is such a huge shower for many women. And that, thank you. Thank you so much for sharing it. And let me tell you a bookstore. It, that is a great representation on this thing, that there is this marathon runner, a very popular athletes, rich role. He tells a story in his book. What basically happened is that he was going to get married to their girl and they have been dating for quite a long time. At one point they were living in different seats, let's say about two or three hours long away. At one point they were supposed to meet. She was supposed to come to him, but she said that she could, and that was about one month before their wedding. They were supposed to get married and well, he got upset and he said, okay, well, let me come to you. Let me drive. 00:11:16 Roman And she said, no, don't okay. So that was her first hand. Then they were doing the wedding rehearsal. She actually, she didn't want to do it. There was a lot of tension and basically what she was doing. She was showing him that she didn't want the marriage. The rehearsal went its way, but he actually was very anxious. He thought that she might not even show up during the way, but she did. She did. And they got married. And then they went to this honeymoon. I think it wasn't Hawaii or something like that. In that honeymoon, they were not talking to each other. They like, she was so angry that she had told him not to talk to her at all. So they were basically spanning it apart. At the end of the honeymoon, on the field day, he was fed up with it. He said, okay, so I can't take this anymore. 00:12:29 Roman We should just break up. And she said, okay. So he was very angry. They went home and they basically did not leave a day together as a couple, as a married couple. He went to talk to her friends. That's when he found out that she actually had someone else who was dating someone else at this point. The point of this story is that she was dropping hands to him all along the way, many hints, but she was not saying this directly. And he was not getting those hands. That's the point where the men, they don't like cans. They want direct information, direct commands, direct orders. They're basically a very simple in the sense. Yeah. 00:13:24 Terry Yeah. That's, that has been a big issue, huge issue between men and women, because we want men to get it. We want them to get it and you figure it out, but here's a couple of hints along the way. You just figure it out. I don't need to have to tell you, I don't know why that is. 00:13:42 Roy Well, and that's, and I'm that way, sometimes I have to tell Terry I'm getting something here, but let's just be very clear about it. Cause you know, yeah. Cause I mean, sometimes that receptors not always dialed in and most of the time, I mean, we've been together long enough and I think we care enough about each other that, a lot of that stuff comes through and maybe she says, oh, don't worry about it, but I know better. I need to, I need to be worrying about that. But, but it's like we're making a transition in our diet. I have been very quizzical quizzical about this to her to, because I want to know where, we talked about it, but I need to make sure that this is good for her as well as good for me. Trying to just set her down and ask her, how do you feel about this? Let's talk about it. 00:14:40 Roy Because I don't want, if it's not good for both of us, I don't want this to go on for a long time and in her be resentful because that's, what I see is what happens is one per one partner does something for the other and they have to keep doing it or it last over a period of time until they become very resentful of that. 00:15:05 Roman Yes, yes. That happens. I mean, you need to be careful about that before, so think or discuss before to take on such a commitment. Yeah. And any, no. What if you don't feel comfortable doing it anymore? It's okay to renegotiate. Exactly. 00:15:22 Roy Yeah. That's what I keep telling her, is this in, because I think it's, I think a lot of this can be generational just like with myself. When I was growing up, you went to work for a company and you stayed there for 30 years, you did this and you bought a house and you stayed there for your whole lifetime and, younger in life in my thirties that, I decided that, what, it's all right to change your mind as we grow. And as we develop things change. We have to be able to accept it, understand it, but we have to communicate. I mean, there's things that have changed in our relationship that I don't know what it is. I can't tell, but it's just, maybe a little thing that was like, Hey, I don't really like that too much. Right. This moment, not anymore. And, but instead of just either letting her continue to do it or, her doing it and me just, festering about it, that I don't like this that much anymore, just have a community, just talk about it. 00:16:30 Terry I like how you said, I like how you said you, how you give permission to renegotiate because we are so set and we just think we need to follow through, , 00:16:44 Roman That's right. That's right. That's the best example of how we need to keep communication lines open and the relationship. Even if something is bothering us, it's okay to say this. Just make sure that you say it in a loving way. Yeah. You find the right moment, that's it? 00:17:06 Roy Yeah. And it's easy to lash out. This is something that I have to be careful about because, do we work a lot? And so, we enjoy our work. We work a lot and sometimes things get tense, not necessarily between us, but more me like a process is breaking down. Something's not clicking. It's like when you have very limited time and you have a lot of things to do, if things tick off just perfect, you can get it done. And life is good. If there's one little glitch, then it throws everything out of balance. Unfortunately, Terry is the closest person and I don't ever want to lash out her. I had to be very careful about, Hey, what? I I'm having this problem. It's has nothing to do with you. I don't want it to run off on you. I, you know, I'm not that great. 00:18:01 Roy Not as good as I need to be about, well, number one, not letting it fester to get that way, but also, just making sure that she doesn't get the runoff from things, other things that are going on in life. 00:18:14 Roman Exactly. That's the correct word runoff. That's why they want to, you want to share what's on your mind very quickly. Not wait until it festers. Sure. 00:18:27 Terry Yeah. I mean, you do a good job at that. You you're very cognizant and I don't mean this to be the Roy and Terry show, but honestly you really, they really are very cognizant. I mean, hopefully at this juncture in our life, we've learned something along the way. I think we're really applying blind those lessons. 00:18:48 Roy Yeah. That's something else that, I feel fortunate enough about that. I just told her earlier that how, I was lucky to find her and we got together and, life has been good, but what, how difficult is this now at older ages or, I guess people coming together at an older age when they're very set in their ways they're set in their routines, I guess that makes it harder to mesh, to become a couple. 00:19:22 Roman Sometimes yes. Sometimes now, and no, because as people get mature, more mature, they actually become more patient. They become less selfish and they are more open to having a relationship that actually sustainable and not just about them, but they are ready to give more, even though it means that it might mean that they're not getting the same amount of love back. Yeah. That this transition, basically that happens over our lifetime from selfishness to selflessness, it helps relationships in older age. 00:20:08 Terry They know, I think we know more about ourselves, so we know what we want or what we like and can talk about that, can you express that? Not so well, like I'm doing now, but, we just know what to look for and know what that attraction is. 00:20:34 Roman Exactly. Exactly. Just, just like Roy was saying about his, wanting everything to be perfect. And if something doesn't go right. Even little thing, you might not be happy about it and this might show, so he knows himself very well. He's very cognizant then that's one good thing that comes from the fact that he's a mature masculine man. 00:21:02 Terry He is very masculine, honey. 00:21:06 Roy I think I'll say, I don't know if he just told me the other day that she's like, are you 14? And I'm like, yeah, mostly most of the time. Yeah. I haven't dwelled. I'm still the little boy I see the shiny object and have to chase it or have to stand on the rail that you're not supposed to stand on or whatever it is like that. So. 00:21:26 Terry I don't want the frozen pond in the back. That's not all the way frozen. That was scary. Yeah. 00:21:31 Roy We had this winter, we had a Creek behind the house as Stover. I mean, like really bad. It got so cold. And, so were down there. I don't even know why were back there, but I was like, Ooh, let me just test that. She's like, first he tried to talk me out of it and then she could see she wasn't going to do that. She took her camera out and started. She's like, I just want to get a picture of you when you fall through, that's another, important part I think for us is, the laughing and having fun together. Even though we work together, we're together, a lot of time, we still take time to try to laugh and have fun and, not be serious all the time. 00:22:23 Roman Wow. This is, this is impressive because give me given the fact that you guys work together. You already spent quite a lot of time together. You have the time and the energy to also laugh together. I mean, wow. I'm impressed. I'm impressed. 00:22:43 Terry You humor is very important. Yeah. Yeah. Even if it doesn't seem like it's the right time to laugh, ? 00:22:51 Roy Yeah. Humor and, we have a lot of other things in common. Like, we like music, so we're able to bond over, we both have a pretty intense appreciation of music from our childhood and generation. So, we're able to bond over that. But, I was just going to ask though, in, as you help people with relationships, what are, 2, 3, 4, 5 of the largest, contributors to a discord in a relationship? 00:23:25 Roman Well, we actually touched upon some of them, first of all, is communication. Basically a lot of people lay like to stop communication when things go wrong. Yeah. And basically doing it as a punishment. Yeah. Right. Let's say their partner does something that they don't like and punish them with what I call silent treatment. 00:23:50 Terry Women do that a lot. And another mistake, 00:23:55 Roman Another mistake is not praising your partner, just taking them for granted too much. Yeah. Another mistake is taking your relationship for granted and thinking that your partner is not going anywhere, they will stay there for life. This is not true because you always need to be looking for looking to introduce new units and to be a relationship because newness is important for keeping passion. You might have loved, we might have downs of love between each other, but if you don't have passion, your relationship might be due. Right. Another mistake is let's say, I'm sorry. Yeah. Okay. Another mistake is not being emotional enough, not being too touchy and feely because you need that. You need that a romantic connection in addition to your like regular conversational connection. For example, be sure to give hugs, be sure to kiss your partner, be sure to smile at them all the time. 00:25:16 Roman This is also important. 00:25:19 Roy Yeah. I definitely think that one is two and it's funny cause we still hold hands a lot, this like teenagers and that's, and like even at night when we go to sleep, sometimes that's just, my hand over on her just where I can touch her, feel her there. It's just, I don't know. It's kind of weird, but it's important just to have that connection. 00:25:43 Roman And it's not weird. No, that's absolutely normal. And it's actually beautiful. I like that again, you guys rock. Thank you. Well, yeah, just. 00:25:55 Terry Trying to take a compliment. 00:25:58 Roy Yeah. It's, I think the funny part about taking things for granted is that, maybe if you haven't had it, you appreciate it more. But I think it's just the opposite. The better things are between us. The more appreciative I am for her and all of those things, because it's so rare to find, two people that really mesh, I think, as good as we do on so many things. No, I'm not saying we don't have our differences or things that, I was trying to think what that was it's, she doesn't like all lives and I like all lose. We're able to, segregate that and it doesn't have to be a big thing, but for the big things in life, I feel like that we're pretty much on track, but there's always, some little differences that we may not always be together on, but talking about it. 00:26:54 Roy I think the other thing, is respect is that, we have to really respect our partner and their thoughts and their feelings. I don't have to agree with her, but I just have to respect that her life, circumstances have gone, have got her to this belief. And so you have to respect it. 00:27:17 Roman Yeah, that's right. What else can you do? Other, you also have a perspective, your own perception, right. And who knows who's right. Yeah. It's better to be happy to be right. Exactly. Or something, 00:27:31 Terry Something in the middle there, and that's what you just kind of mesh it together. 00:27:36 Roy I think that's a, I hate to get off on the social media tangent, but I will for just a minute that's a problem with that is that, we try to spend so much time to, convince or to talk people into having our point of view that we really don't take the time to listen to them, to see what their point of view is. The other part is that we can harmonize. We don't, I mean, it'd be a boring world if were all carbon copies and all felt the exact same way about everything. I mean, that's what that kind of adds to the spice of life. Just a little bit. And, the other part I get off on this tangent too, but trying new things is that we, Terry's a lot more conservative in that respect and that, especially as we talk about cooking and trying some new things that we're doing is I just tell her, look, do whatever you feel, throw it out there. 00:28:39 Roy Especially, it's like, if it messes up or comes out bad, we can start over or we can go up to the restaurant and get something we're not going to starve to death, but you hear people that is like the wife makes something bad and then it turns into a fuss and, I don't really get that, but I encourage her, do something different. It's it's okay. 00:29:05 Roman Yeah, yeah, definitely. That's one reason you guys have each other present as a masculine man, your, and having her as a feminine woman yeah. In air life. One of your goals is to challenge her in a positive way and that does how you do it. She is a little bit more conservative. As you say, you are there to give her new challenges. Right. And that's one of them. He does. 00:29:39 Terry He really does. I mean, staying in the food genre, I, I fry fried up, I guess it was fried up. Some TemPay never had done that before. We didn't know what it was going to turn out to be, but I don't know. It was, it was lots of prepping and everything. You fry it up and put all your stuff on. It turned out to be pretty good. I just hate doing all that. Tend to know that it's not going to turn out bad in that terrible. I should, I need to try new things. 00:30:07 Roy Yeah. And it's yeah. It's even like, we've been kind of locked down and haven't been out of the house much, but it's like the other thing is the spontaneity. I'm not sure which one of us is more spontaneity. I think we are at different times on different subjects, but, it's like, it was like, were just sitting on the couch one night and I got an email from a, a place that has music. It just said, the first 50 people get free tickets for, it was a cover band, a couple of cover bands. We liked the bands that they were covering. So, what I, I just sent an email in not expecting to win. I got a message back like, oh, you're the winner. So, it was like the next night or two, we just loaded up, went to this place and we had an amazing time. 00:30:58 Roy The music was good. We found a couple bands, but the place was good. And, it was just kind of fun to do something on a whim. 00:31:08 Roman Oh yeah, this is so important. This is important again, because it introduces newness and their relationship. It also see when we become too conservative, we start feeling older. And this is not conducive to love. This is not conducive to passion. When we go back to that younger mindset, we could slip in when we had less responsibilities and so on and so forth, we feel younger. Let's say you go out and you spend a wild night and you come home at 4:00 AM. This is something that makes you feel young. That reenergizes your passion in the relationship. Yeah. 00:31:59 Terry Yeah. I'm just thinking, I'm just thinking about how much older I'm going to feel the next day. 00:32:05 Roy That's me holding back. Yeah. I'm like, what? You can sleep all day. It doesn't matter. We don't have anywhere to be. So, we can go do that kind of stuff. And, I, I think it's fun, it's just new adventures and that we are both, fairly up for adventures. I think that's the other thing is just, having these adventures, experiencing things together and the memories that it provides, because, w we have those things. It's like, oh my gosh, you remember that concert went to and this happened and it's, those are pleasant too. It's like when the, when it is a slow time and you're just kinda sitting around, not doing much and thinking about all these things, it's just, I think it adds to that pleasure from your partner as well. Yeah. Yes. For sure. Well, Roman, we appreciate you taking time to stop by and talk to us today. 00:33:07 Roy Any closing words, any closing thoughts on relationships before we wrap it up? 00:33:14 Roman Yeah. Yeah. One thought is that you need to treat a relationship, your relationship, a romantic one as an important area of your life, like your business or your health. You spend time in those interests, right? Both with your business and kind of your, how, and you also want to spend time, invest time and effort into your relationship. If you live it as is it well die pretty soon, right? So you want to at least read books about read books and get better at it so that you make sure that you stay motivated and you have the right information, the right resources to keep your partner happy. Yeah. Don't take it for granted. Yeah. 00:34:07 Roy Do you have any books off the top of your head, any recommendations that you can think of? If not, don't worry. I'm not, I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I just thought maybe you might. 00:34:16 Roman Have one, I would say two books. The first one is a general one, but it speaks a lot about whole, all things, relationship wise and this Stephen Covey's seven habits of highly effective people. Okay. The second one is by Sharon Salzberg called real love. 00:34:40 Roy Okay. Yeah. And I think it's interesting. I, I'm glad you bring that up because again, I can speak for me and that is a deficit in our relationship because we do something that we really enjoy. And so it's easy to spend. It's easy to spend a lot of time. There's, it's like, there's never an end to the things that we could do, even if we get things done that we've got to have done, there's still always looking at this new form of marketing, looking at this new technology, looking at this. Maybe we want to twist this or tweak that. Anyway, it, and this gets back to the communication is that Terry is, we are confident enough in our relationship. She can tap me on the shoulder and say, all right, you're done. And then, you know, 00:35:33 Terry Like, I'll say why I'll be there in a minute and now say you're a minute or my minute, because they're two different things. 00:35:43 Roy Yeah. It's easy to get hung up in that it just never ends. So, taking that time, if we're going to invest, like you said, we invest time and money in our businesses, in our homes. In a lot of things that we need to take that same approach to our relationships and, really invest and it's time. It's not, thank goodness Terry is not, she's not high dollar maintenance, so that's not an issue. But, just taking that time out of our day to, really be together to have those conversations, it's truly important. I think that's where people, kinda miss out some is that, you got, especially when you have kids, you got kids pulling you one way. You've got parents, you've got your job. Then, V go out and do stuff with friends that it just, it really divide your time down to where you don't have enough to devote to your relationship. 00:36:40 Roy That's the cool thing with Terry and me, it's like, we're best friends. We like to hang out with each other, even outside of work, we like to go do things together. So. 00:36:55 Roman Yes. Yeah. You, you are an inspiration. 00:37:01 Roy Well, we're trying, we have to work at it, but all right, Roman, well, tell everybody, somebody needs some relationship coaching. How can they get ahold of you? 00:37:17 Roman Yes. The best way is go to the website, which is Roman mirror knob.com, spelled as R O M A N M I R O N O V.com. There you have all the links to my social media and the ability to contact me for a free coaching session. If you match the lecture coming up, the Roy and terrorist podcast, I'll be happy to give you a 30% discount. Oh, wow. 00:37:43 Roy Nice. Yeah. 00:37:45 Terry You have a podcast as well, correct? Yes. It just under your name or is it called something else? 00:37:56 Roman It's called be version two of yourself. Okay. 00:38:00 Roy All right. Great. Well, y'all go out and give a listen if you need some help in a relationship and well, let me say it this way. Don't wait till you need help in a relationship, seek out somebody like Roman, that can be preemptive and don't wait until there's a problem. Get the tools that you need to have a successful relationship because it spills over into everything. I have a business show I was talking about, and were just talking about, you can't park your emotions at the door to work. Same thing, coming home, you can't park your work stuff at the door. Everything is all intermingled. For us to have a happy, productive life at work, we have to have a happy, productive life at home. And, again, I'm blessed to have somebody that supports me in everything. I know that she's my biggest champion and there's nobody in this world that I want to see succeed more than her. 00:38:57 Roy I think it's important to, get out in front of that. Don't wait till it's a, don't wait till it's a train wreck to try to clean up the mess, get out there ahead of the game and make it happen where you can continue to be happy in that relationship. 00:39:15 Roman Yeah, that is golden. Yeah. 00:39:19 Roy All right guys. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty I'm Roy. You can always find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're also on all the major social media platforms, as well as the podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not one in which you listened to, if you'll reach out, we'll certainly be glad to add you. So thanks for listening until next time. Take care of yourself and take care of your family. www.romanmironov.com www.feedingfatty.com
Change For The Better Is Possible, Small Steps Add Up To Big Losses with The Fit Mess Guys In this world of instant gratification, we want to take action today and see the results tomorrow. It usually takes us a while to get to the point we feel we need to make a change. We have to realize it takes time to see results. Change is possible, and taking small measured action is generally better for sustainable change. Get started today, it's never too late. About Jeremy and Zach Zach Tucker and Jeremy Grater are the founders and hosts of The Fit Mess. For nearly a decade, they have pushed themselves to learn more about their own physical, emotional, and mental health. This has created a passion for using their acquired knowledge to help others. As hosts of the show for over 2 years, they have had the opportunity to speak to a wide range of guests, including some of the biggest names in health and wellness. Zach Tucker, along with his wife and young daughter resides in Albany, NY. Zach has a passion for helping people define and meet their wellness goals. He thinks that every person is different and there is no one size fits all solution for someone's wellness. He is on a mission to share his story and some of the tools that helped him on his own wellness journey. Zach is certified to teach yoga and Insanity® Live.Jeremy Grater is a married father of two young girls and also lives in Seattle. He's spent the majority of the last decade experimenting with a variety of wellness tools to improve his mental health, lose 70 pounds and share what's helped along the way. He's also been in the broadcasting and podcasting business for about two decades. www.thefitmess.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Change For The Better Is Possible, Small Steps Add Up To Big Losses with The Fit Mess Guys 00:00:15 Roy Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm your host, Roy Terry. So we're the podcasts. That's chronicling my journey, Terry, my helper through this journey of wellness, losing some weight, getting in better shape. And, from time to time, we have, professionals in their field that come on and today is no different than Terry. I'll let you make our introduction of Jeremy and Zach. All right, 00:00:38 Terry Zach Tucker and Jeremy Grater are the founders and host of The Fit Mess for nearly a decade. They've pushed themselves to learn more about their own physical and emotional and mental health. This has created a passion for using their acquired knowledge to help others as hosts of the show. For over two years, they've had the opportunity to speak to a wide range of guests, including some of the biggest names in health and wellness, Zach and Jeremy. Welcome to the show. 00:01:12 Roy Yeah. Thanks guys. Thanks for taking time out of y'all's day to be with us. We just, I guess we'll throw it out there and see kind of what's new, as were talking in pre-show, some different new weight equipment and things out there, and Jeremy said he has started running, so we'll just kinda first off. It'd be nice just to find out, kind of how you guys found yourself here. 00:01:36 Zach Yeah. I'll start off because I think, my story goes all the way back to being a baby, of just being set up on a, poor, starting line in life. I had some heart defects. I had an absent mother, just, lots of issues, lots of trauma as a child, which led tons and tons of overeating. And, at one point in my life, I was, close to 300 pounds and eating terrible, not exercising. I was, not in great shape. Over the last 20 years, I've made small little changes to turn the health around, to make myself look better, feel better. I had to focus on the mental health and it was a long journey. Jeremy was also following behind on that as well. At some point I was giving him some advice and, we sat down one day and we're like talking about being vulnerable about, the journey that we're on and talking about the struggle and how hard it is. 00:02:42 Zach And, we came to the conclusion that, we need to get this out there and we need to share these conversations with other people, especially men who are sometimes afraid to share their feelings. Yeah. 00:02:56 Roy Wow. That's yeah. That's a, basically a carbon copy of where were, I've struggled. I've had, I can definitely go back and see, I'm kind of the opposite as a kid, I was very skinny, like to the point, people were like, oh my gosh, you got to eat to live. As an adult, definitely four or five stages where, put on 20 pounds, 25 pounds at this stage for this life change. Then, now I find myself here and it's just, it's hard because, we do good sporadically. We can do good for a couple months. It's like, we have an event change and, then things change. I typically go back to my old ways. So, we talk a lot about that. Surgery may be an option for people, but for me, I always thought if I don't change the way I think then I'll never, I'll just go back to my old ways. 00:03:50 Roy Anyway, but thanks for relating that story. I mean, it is, I think it is good to be vulnerable and that's why, Terry encouraged me. She's like, Hey, you need to get this out there because people are struggling. So anyway, Jeremy, what's your story? 00:04:05 Jeremy Similar, not quite the same trauma as a child, mind was much more garden variety, alcohol in the family and kind of absent father stuff. Yeah. Both parents working. A lot of, latchkey kid or the eighties thing. And it is funny. I remember I was around third grade when I really developed some really bad eating habits and it was like, my best friend would come over and we would just hang out and watch TV and raid the pantry during every commercial break. Right. That set me on a course of doing that for far too long. Yo-yo dieted most of my life and, got into, my career and about midway through my career. I really started recognizing a lot of imposter syndrome and really feeling like man, one of these days, they're going to figure out they made a huge mistake hiring me, and they're gonna, they're going to show me the door, know, and that lasted for about 10 years. 00:04:53 Jeremy I finally started getting into some therapy and that turned my life around. My therapist introduced me to meditation. That really helped, calm all of that noise and quiet. A lot of those voices that told me it wasn't good enough. I still don't get me wrong. I, I battle every single day I've fought depression my entire life. Meditation was the thing that set me on the course to doing other things. Along the way I had a bike crash got injured pretty badly. And, but I was finding that through biking. I was, I was also meditating. It was just this very in the moment experience where the whole point is to not die on the way to work. You have to be so in the moment and so focused on what's happening right now that I started trying to push that into other areas of my life. 00:05:41 Jeremy Like Zach said, along the way he and I met through, just through parent groups, we are our friends, our kids are we're friends, and we started hanging out and were just having these really authentic conversations. That's something I've always looked for in a relationship with any of my is who can I have real conversations with and who am I talking about the Mariners with? Who do I want to spend my time with? Especially because the Mariners suck. So, but like Zach said, we, the more we have these conversations, just, camping and whatever, were just like, we don't hear enough guys talking like this. So, like I said, we just felt like this is a show that needs to exist. 00:06:19 Roy Yeah. For the rest of the baseball world out there, you may want to tell them who the Mariners are. 00:06:31 Speaker 4 The Rangers, I mean, come on. Yeah. Right. Oh yeah. 00:06:37 Roy Yeah. That's why we holler for the red Sox or the Yankees, for winter. So, let's talk about that because, your ride at, the good thing about me I'm to an age that it's like, I am who I am. I mean, just because I don't admit that I'm overweight to myself, it doesn't mean that other people that look at me can't I can't figure that out. So, I mean, at some point you just have to say, Hey, I got to own this, but it's the funny thing for me is I don't think about myself as being overweight or, I picture, and I don't picture myself as old either. I'm thinking like that 25 year old in better shape self that's, just who I am until, you walk by a mirror or try to put some clothes on after being in quarantine for a year. And it's like, oh my goodness. 00:07:28 Roy Things are different, but so, let's talk about the difference in Mindshift body, habit shifts, things like that. Was there a point that for y'all either one that the, it was the, your mind engaged and then that's where your habits followed or did you kind of get on that path to habits and then the mind followed after that or some form of that? 00:07:56 Zach My first, my first, real big change was, so I used to smoke cigarettes as well. Okay. And, ate a McDonald's every day. I mean, it was, there was some pretty bad habits there, and it was, my mind shifted because of a comment that my boss made. And, I interviewed for the job and I decided to wear a nicotine patch that day. So I didn't smell like cigarette smoke. I got the job and I got hired in my first day, my boss looked at me and said, oh, you smoke. If I had known that I would have never hired you. Oh, wow. Right. Like that hit me really hard. I was like, wow, this habit, this unhealthy thing is now going to be a, a detriment to my professional career. Yeah. That was the first step of like, well, these are gone and my mind started shifting of what else am I doing? That's bad for me that will, not look in my professional career and right. 00:08:57 Zach That's when I started running and doing the little things, but that was the main shift for me, was this external judgment from somebody who said something like that. It just completely 180 degree my thought process of what I was doing to myself. Yeah. 00:09:14 Terry Yeah. Somebody else may have, you want, you always want to be in control. You want to think like, you're, you feel like you're in control, but it's for you to be able to know, to recognize that and actually act on it. That's those are the keys right there, just going ahead and act in on something that was a judgment call to you. That's that's good. 00:09:40 Zach Yeah. Acting on it was, I, I say, I quit smoking, right. That was probably one of the hardest things I ever did in my entire life. Like that is no joke, not easy. So, it's easy to say now. Right. But, at the time it was incredibly difficult, very painful and a big struggle, but it was worth it to make that change. That's awesome. 00:10:07 Jeremy I think I've had probably three really significant, moments that really changed everything for me. And, one was when I, I had the dumbest knee injury you've ever heard of in your life. We, I don't know if you guys have this out there, but Amazon, they deliver groceries. Yeah. We are, our daughter was very young. She was like, still in the crib. One morning the Amazon guy shows up at like six in the morning and he's dropping the groceries off and the dog loses his mind, starts barking. If you've ever had kids, that anyone who wakes up your kid deserves to be. 00:10:41 Speaker 4 Punished. Yes. I just, 00:10:43 Jeremy I rolled out of bed to like quickly try and quiet my dog. Somehow like rolled my knee and just collapsed on the ground. Couldn't couldn't walk, totally hurt my knee, literally getting out of bed. And it was the stupidest injury. And, so I started going to physical therapy for it. The physical therapist learned about my background and all that. She said, if you don't get on a bike, you're going to end up replacing both of your knees. Now. I was like, wow. Okay. I can do that. I bought a bike on Craigslist and started biking to work. And, and it was funny. I was having a conversation with my brother about it. I was like, yeah, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to, it's a 10 mile ride. I don't know if we'll be able to do this every day. He's like, dude, you just need to decide. 00:11:20 Jeremy You're that weird guy, that bikes to work every day, just make that mental shift and you'll do it. And he was absolutely right. Literally the next day I started biking to, and from work every day. So that was the first one. Another one was like I mentioned, yo-yo dieted my entire life. The conversations I was having with Zach, were camping one weekend sitting around the campfire and he was talking about how he had just lost, like, I don't know, 40 pounds or something in a few months doing the keto diet and like most conversations I often have with Zach, I started with, you're crazy. How do you do that? That's insane. Okay. I gotta try it. I tried it and I lost 70 pounds using the keto diet and just like some light exercise and of fasting and came off in a few months. So that was the other one. 00:12:07 Jeremy The other was, I've battled depression, my entire life on and off of various meds, to just to try and curb it. None of them really worked for me. And, it was shortly after my bike crash. I was on some opioids for awhile. I was like, man, these are really good. I stopped them after like a week. Cause like, that's, this is a dangerous road to go down. Once I stopped taking those, I also stopped taking my antidepressants and then it was new years. I had just a few beers, like nothing crazy woke up the next day with a hangover and just was like, I am just done. Like, those few beers were not worth feeling like this. Yeah. Literally quit drinking. That was like three or four years ago now. Those three things have been it, there's just, this really locked in mental shift where I just went, I'm done living that way. 00:12:57 Jeremy Yeah. I'm going to live this way now. Those three things I've never really looked back on it. 00:13:03 Roy Yeah. I'll just go, I can relate to the Amazon incident because I had almost a similar one. Usually they come in the afternoon or whatever. We've got a little, we live out in kind of in the wilderness. So, the front camera went off and usually it's like a varmint Armadillo or raccoon or something walking across. I just rolled over, pulled up my phone and looked at it and there was this car sitting up on the road that just won't leave. So, I did the same thing. I catapulted out of bed over both dogs and, threw the shoes and, slipped on the floor and getting out there. And it's just the Amazon grocery. I'm like doodles. She was at cigar in our space. Yeah. He delivers groceries at six 15 in the morning. Good. 00:13:47 Speaker 4 Tell him, I forgot to tell him, 00:13:51 Roy Talk about, Zach mentioned the opinions of others. It's funny because I being a heavy person, when I look at heavy people, I still have, negative thoughts. Let me just put it that way. I don't ever think about people thinking that of me. You really stop and think about, oh my gosh, all these, negative opinions that people form of me just because they see me without even meeting me or knowing anything. Now I try not to make the cover of the Walmart people page on Facebook with my pants riding down and my shirt riding up. I do try to stay, totally covered up, but still, I mean, it's just like people view you as inferior or damaged or something, but I don't know. I think about that, hasn't been enough to change me and it's like, I still continue on doing these things. So I don't know. 00:14:51 Roy It's I gotta give you credit for being able to, make that change based on that, because I, I wished I could, it's just been a struggle, finding that thing that works, that continues. We talked a little pre-show about, I'm good for about two, three months of something. If we have a little change in the way life goes, that, were doing good back in the fall and then Terry was gone for about three weeks. And, yeah. I mean, then McDonald's and taco bell became my best friend again, driving up there to try to get something to eat. Instead of cooking in, anyway, that's just kind of my downfall. It just be nice to be able to string together six months or a year, and stay on that path. Any advice either, but any, either one of y'all want to throw out about that would be very helpful. 00:15:41 Zach Yeah. A couple things. So, so the mindset of like what you look like. I do have like a quick, I I've, being 300 pounds, I have always felt as though I was a big guy. And internally it was never quite enough. Like I would push myself so hard to like work out, to eat, right. To the point where I made a comment to my wife one day that, man, I'm still, really fat. She was like, dude, you realize that I can see your abs. Right. She made me take a picture and like, they weren't showing much, but you could see a couple of ad muscles. That was a moment where like in our heads, we, for me anyway, even though I wasn't really that big anymore, I still felt really big. I was working really hard on it. Like that internal mindset of like what you think of yourself is really important to make sure that you're telling yourself the truth there. 00:16:43 Zach Yeah. To the other question of like, how do you stick to it? You can't like, that's what I had to accept. I would go really hard for three months and then I would cave. Yeah. I would beat myself up because I caved and cave more because I beat myself up and it would be this never ending spiral. Yeah. Three months later, two months of those games were gone. I've really just come back to like the 80, 20 principle. Right. If you're doing the right thing, 80% of the time, it's okay to go wild 20% of the time. Yeah. Right. Be okay with that and be forgiving of yourself for it. 00:17:24 Roy The thing is that forgiveness, because you're exactly right. When you fall off the, whatever you're doing, the Eaton exercise. I, I realized to lose weight exercise, doesn't need to be, we can lose weight with our diets 70, 80% or whatever, but I just feel like I've got to have that exercise. It makes me feel so much better. Anyway, it doesn't matter if we're talking about diet exercise or whatever. It's like, once you fall off, then it's like, so hard on ourself and then the non forgiveness. It's like, well, I've already, had three tacos that, what's it going to hurt? I'll have another, I'm going to go ahead and eat bad today. And then tomorrow I'm going to change. Tomorrow goodness knows something else pops up to where, it just, you just kicked that can down the road further and further. 00:18:12 Zach Yeah. I also try and schedule things too. So, ing that I'm going to be 80, 20. Saturday is kind of my, and I know some people don't like cheat days, but this is for me works well. Yeah. On Saturdays. I do whatever I want. If I don't want to work out, I don't work out if I want to eat pizza and ice cream, I do that. Having that schedule for me is actually really helpful knowing that I'm going to have a 20% of going crazy. Yeah. On Wednesday when I have that craving, I, I just go, okay, let's write that down. You're going to have that on Saturday. 00:18:44 Roy That's a, that's a good tip. I like that. 00:18:48 Terry Yeah. Just having something to look forward to that helps. 00:18:52 Zach The, the problem with that is once you do have the cheat day though. For me on Saturday, I eat all, I have sugar and junk food in your body. On Sunday you have that craving and it's really hard to go back into it. It doesn't work for everyone, but it definitely works for me. I wouldn't w it's something you can try. 00:19:13 Roy Yeah. Yeah. I've, I'm that way about, I guess I feel sometimes like I have to be totally strict and can't let anything creep back in because just that one, that little door opening for me, it's like back in the day when they came out with the little skinny blue, the skinny bell ice cream sandwiches, I mean, those are great. They're probably work well if you eat one, but if you eat a whole box of was like, well, that was so good. Let me just have six of them, and I, I'm an ice cream fanatic too. That's, that's even harder to give up something that is, and we talked about this with the, more of a psychologist type person the other day that, I, I grew up with ice cream, it was a reward. Now I'm thinking about that instead of thinking about, Hey, let's go celebrate and have some ice cream. 00:20:07 Roy It's like, what I get on my, TX band and do, 25 pull-ups or something, trying to shift that mindset from it's a reward because I think it goes back to the validation of us is that's what growing up, that was always the reward or the treat is, Hey, let's stop by dairy queen and let's go up to the soda fountain and, get a banana split. Trying to change that from, we can still celebrate, but now, it needs to be a physical activity, either walking or pulling up doing something to better ourselves, better myself. 00:20:43 Terry Jeremy, you were talking about, I think it was you, did you say something about meditating? 00:20:48 Jeremy Yeah. I was just going to say kind of two things on what you're talking about there. One I know for me, I look at my weight issues as being a symptom of my emotional and mental health issues. I can tell by looking in the mirror, how much I still have to do inside. That's where for me, the more I meditate, the more that I do that inner work, the more strength I find to do the outer work, to do the running and the other things. That's something to consider, but also, I just want to commend you on the fact that you're on this journey. This is an incredibly difficult journey at any stage of your life. Well, thanks. But, but especially in a system where the food that is affordable and accessible is garbage, right. Much of what you have available to eat goes against your body's biology and the way that it wants to live. 00:21:44 Jeremy You're fighting a losing game almost every bite fall. Yeah. To the amount of knowledge I think you need from a nutrition standpoint is almost impossible. I think for most people who have busy lives and things to do, because it's just not something that we're taught in a way that makes sense as we're growing up. Yeah. Every ad is, oh, you deserve a treat today. Well, yeah, maybe, but maybe I don't, maybe I'm just lazy. Maybe I just want to eat garbage because it tastes good. That makes me want to eat more garbage. So, so that, so two things there, but one, I think that is really important. I do think that for a lot of people, food is an escape from whatever the issue is that we're struggling with whatever trauma we haven't dealt with from our childhood, whatever. I do think that the, at least in my experience, and I'm no doctor here. 00:22:38 Jeremy The more work you can do, dealing with what's going on inside will allow you the freedom and the desire to do the work on the outside. And, and for me, exercise is almost never about building muscle or getting stronger, or it's all in my head. The more I run, the more I bike, the harder, the yoga, whatever I'm doing to push my body is all about releasing those demons. I like the phrase I like to say is a tired muscles, quiet, dark voices, because the more you quiet those dark voices, the more you're going to be able to live a healthier life and make better choices. 00:23:13 Roy Yeah. No, and I think you're right. And that's something, yeah. I don't think I've told, we haven't really put this out there, but what, cause I think back about that, what am I not dealing with because it's just been so difficult. I just I've become to feel that if I wasn't dealing with some, or wasn't not dealing with something, if there was an unresolved issue, it would be a lot easier. I'm actually going to do, I'll let Terry say the name of it. Reiki, Reiki. 00:23:41 Terry I did my first Reiki session yesterday. 00:23:43 Roy I'm actually going to go try that. And, supposedly it can, it's supposed to be a big release with some things like that. So, I'm open to try and I just I'm to the point in life that I want to make changes and it's, things that I've done in the past just haven't really worked or they've worked. Then, like Zach said, you put it all back on eventually. And, I'm just ready to make a change, for a lot of reasons, but just to get all this behind me. So. 00:24:13 Jeremy Something, something to consider too, like you seem to be aware of the pattern, right? Like it two or three months of this is going to fail me. Yeah. Just when you go with, go into whatever you're going into go, I'm going to do this for 30. I'm going to do this for a week next week. I'm going to do that. Like, just give yourself smaller goals because none of us is going to stick to anything for a year, for 10 years for it's never going to happen too much is going to get in the way. Right. Today I'm going to decide every day, this week I'm going to go walk for 20 minutes next week, it'll be 30 minutes, whatever it is, but just give yourself those smaller goals. And, and the more you pick up those little wins, the confidence grows and you'll be able to score those bigger wins. 00:24:53 Jeremy That's. 00:24:53 Roy Great. Yeah, that's a good point. Cause I, I am too much in that, looking at a year lifetime or whatever it is instead of just, and I guess this gets back to the meditation and being in the moment is just take it one meal at a time, one day at a time, one step at a time. It's, I guess it's the other part I, I have to say is it's daunting because it's like, the impatience is all I can say is like, it, and I think why haven't I been impatient, putting on all this weight now, all of a sudden I'm here now, all of a sudden I'm impatient. I want it all gone. It took years to get here. It may take years to get away from here, but it's like, nah, if I do something, if I go out and walk around the block, I expect to come home and I've lost 15 pounds or something ridiculous like that. 00:25:46 Roy It's like, it's just take it that whatever I did today, exercise wise and eating wise, that's better than what I was yesterday. I, trying to break it down into those smaller wins is definitely something I can work on for sure. Sure. 00:26:00 Terry Yep. Have you guys done a plant-based diet where we're delving into that now? Do much about the plant-based? 00:26:12 Zach I can I'll let Jeremy talk about that because I am a carnivore and I love hamburgers and steaks and chicken. Yeah. I've, I think I've tried it once or twice for maybe a couple of days. And, while I'm sure there are some health benefits and I'm sure there's some good stuff about it. I just really enjoy hamburgers. Jeremy's the vegetarian though, so we can talk. Okay. 00:26:39 Jeremy Yeah. I've been a vegetarian for probably 25. Oh, w w with occasional cheats here and there. Yeah. Any diet, if you don't do it right. You're, it's just a mess. When I talked to him nutrition at one point and a nutritionist at one point, and they said, I kind of told them what I, and oh, you're not a vegetarian, you're a cheese and bread. Attarian, you know, that's not good. You don't want to combine your fats and your carbs at every meal because that's how you put on a bunch of weight. So, definitely I think any diet, if you do it well, is going to beneficial. There are loads and loads of studies that will tell you a plant-based diet is ideal, is what you should be doing. I, I read a book, man, I'm forgetting the author's name now, but he broke down diet in a really simple way. 00:27:29 Jeremy It was just like, eat food, not too much. Oh, what's the third thing, eat food, not too much. Mostly plants. Yeah. His whole point was like, so much of what we eat is not food. Much of what is in the store is not food. If it didn't grow out of ground or it doesn't walk on the ground, it's not food. Right. You know, I, I eat impossible burgers. I eat, I eat tons of like processed fake meats to get my protein because I'm lazy. Because I have childhood associations with, a meat and potatoes diet. It's a lot of just a conditioning that I need to break. Yeah. But if you can eat, yeah. I mean the more locally sourced and plant-based, and not too much is a pretty simple rule to live by. And, and, I definitely think it's worth experimenting with, if you haven't before. 00:28:17 Jeremy Yeah. Why not? 00:28:18 Roy I haven't in a, we're in a touch second week and I feel like we're doing good and we're not the we'll never eat meat again. Were talking the other day that, if we get hungry for Terry was craving a hamburger yesterday and out so bad and she had to go somewhere and I'll say, well, just get it on, stop by and get one on your way. It's not a big deal. We, I think because the other part of this is, I think the more you tell yourself, oh, you can't have that. The more, psychologically, we want that. It's like, if we want to eat a piece of meat or a piece of fish, just we can do it, but I just, we're trying, I want to eliminate that because I've gotten to feel how, when I eat beef, especially it just, it seems to weigh me down and bother me the next day. 00:29:01 Roy Like being, not being able to get up. I'm telling you that, I felt my inflammation go down the last couple of weeks. Also just being, much, easier flinging up out of bed with a lot of energy and feeling good, but that's, and it's have to be fair to say, that's not meat or beef or proteins fault. That was, that was my fault for eating at the wrong time of day. That's another thing that we kind of have to talk about that goes with this. We, we're doing the intermittent fasting, so we try to eat our last meal by seven and then we're not eating again until lunch. So, I feel like that has been the most beneficial for me because I'm a late night eater. I mean, at nine, 10 o'clock at night, man, I am ready. Before, before Terri, man, I would physically get in the car at nine o'clock at night and go up to the convenience store and raid the shell, and get the little nacho bowl and a candy bar and come home and eat it. 00:30:03 Roy It's something about going to bed, feeling that full, satisfied feeling. Trying to get rid of that as well as the other thing, I kind of laugh about is that if I get just a little twinge of hunger and empty stomach, I'm like, oh my God, that must be death knocking at my door. It's like trying to realize that feeling can be there for a couple of hours and I'm probably not going to pass out or have any negative reactions. So, that's something that's like, oh my God, I felt my stomach. I need to run to the cabinet and load up on something, ? 00:30:36 Zach Yeah. I I've so I intermittent fast most days. It's actually 1:30 PM here right now and I still haven't eaten anything. I probably won't until dinner at this point, just because, if I eat now, my dinner will be ruined. Like my dad would always tell me. But interim and fasting is great. It really teaches you the difference between I am actually hungry for food and my body is craving food and I need the energy from food and the, I have something emotional or mental going on that I want to go crack the cupboard open for it. I did a three-day fast one day, or over three days, I did three days. That was such an eyeopening moment because you go three days without actually eating anything. All of these little, I had all these moments of like, I need to go eat Y oh, you're about to do a task that is hard or something that you want to avoid or remind you of something. 00:31:44 Zach I had all these connections in those three days of why I wanted to go eat. None of it had anything to do with being hungry. Yeah. It was, it was a really great realization. 00:31:54 Roy That's awesome. I had, I I'm going to brag. I don't usually do that. I want to brag about last night. I was sitting here putting together one of our episodes and, I don't even know why I just got up, went to the cabinet, opened it. This is like, what? Nine 30 got up, went to cabinet, opened it up and it was chickpeas. So, I mean, I have to say it wasn't like Doritos, but, and I had the chickpeas out. I had them open. I had my hand in it and I thought, why am I eating these it's nine o'clock I'm not supposed to be, I don't want to be doing this because it'll make me and I actually put them up without eating them. For me, that's a huge victory because what I have found too, is that it's that mindless eating, like in the past, I would have gone over there, ate a handful of, and then, 10 minutes, 15 minutes later realized, wow, I wish I hadn't had done that. 00:32:43 Roy Or, you know why I wasn't hungry. It was just a habit. So, yeah, I'm kind of fighting that too is just breaking these mindless habits of always feeling like you have to have something in your hand, eating. 00:32:56 Zach Good for you though. You were at the point of no return. That's, that's hard to turn back from that point. 00:33:01 Roy I, it was so bad. I actually had to wash my hands to get all the salt off of my hands. I have my eye on that board. 00:33:11 Jeremy We had a really interesting conversation. A few episodes ago. We had a guest, Dr. Judson brewer, and he's really big on curiosity when it comes to breaking habits and whether it's addiction, food, whatever. And we talked about that specific thing. Because I'm the same way I have to fast, otherwise I will nine, 10 o'clock whereas the popcorn where something quick that I can just emotionally escape into. Yep. And he raised the point. He's like, just get really curious every time that those urges come up, rather than giving into them, rather than fighting them, rather than like having this volatile relationship with that experience. Just get really curious with why do I need eat right now? What does is my body sending me a signal that says, Hey, you're really hungry. You're about to snap somebodies head off, or are you bored? Are you sad? Are you lonely? What's driving this? And it is amazing how just asking yourself, why am I doing this? Yeah. 00:34:05 Jeremy Will completely shift your relationship with that moment. To put you on a course, to your bigger, better offer, right? Your bigger, better goal. If I want to feel better, I don't want to wake up with this Dorito hangover. I want to wake up clear of brain fog and I'm ready to take on the day and know that I don't need to eat until lunch because I'm not going to starve. I'm in one of the wealthiest countries in the world, I'll find foods. 00:34:28 Roy And the paramedics are at nine one. They're just a moment. Give me an Abbey and get me back up on the ground. 00:34:34 Jeremy I don't think they delivered Doritos. I mean, 00:34:38 Speaker 4 By the way, I go by QT and grab us some bags and stuff. 00:34:43 Roy Yeah. That's a, I guess a good question for you guys since y'all have y'all are pretty far down the journey, but one of the, I was just thinking about the name of our podcast is feeding fatty. It was kind of a irreverent comment when were kicking it around, cause I just said, we're trying to find a name and all the healthy ones are taken or sound too corny. Were like, eh, and I just said, yeah, we could just say something like, feed no fatty. And Terry said, yeah, that's it. The other thing I think about is that, I think I will always be, even if I lost weight and got to where I want to be, I feel like I will always be that heavy person inside that I always have to be on guard. It's like, and I'm going to ask, I asked this question of both of y'all, but it's like being a reformed smoker, being a reformed drinker, because I, I'm not, I never smoked like packs and packs a day, but on the may have one and there are times that cigarettes, you smell very good. 00:35:41 Roy I mean, they smell good enough. You could eat one. It's like, I'm not even a, really a smoker, but that temptation is always there. I assume that temptation is always going to be here with food. That it's something you got to fight forever or not fight, but deal with put it that way. 00:35:57 Zach Yeah, it is. I mean, it's always there's a lake Jeremy side, right? There's a whole industry on making sure that, this kind of food is there and there's marketing and it's made to make you want more. The way I've tried to live is, for every, all of every single attempt that I've made at eating healthier, of it has stuck. The next time, a little more stuck and the next time, a little more stuck. Now if I look back like, I had to take my mom somewhere one day and she wanted to go to McDonald's and I had been eating healthy for three months and I ate McDonald's and I felt so bad after eating. McDonald's like brain fog. My body hurt my stomach was in doing somersaults. Even the next day for a couple of days, I didn't feel good. I thought about it and I was like, okay, I have now conditioned myself to feel good when I eat good food, because 20 years ago I would eat McDonald's for lunch and dinner and then I'd go back for a snack. 00:37:09 Zach And that was just normal for me. Every time I've tried to eat healthy, right. You're just going to reinforce it more and you're gonna fail and you're always going to go backwards. For me, that's always been the case like now where I'm at now, while I still don't feel like I eat as well as I want to eat, I look back at the journey and how much it's different. Yeah. How much change there is, how much the, those little steps have now added up to this one big thing where I'm doing pretty well. I could still grow, but I'm doing pretty well. Yeah. 00:37:46 Terry It's good that you realize that now because you guys, I mean, you guys have young kids too, right? I mean that you have to factor all a nine-year-old, you have to factor all of that in and what your world can handle and, how much time you have and trying to do, that's what we just get caught up in the rat race, going through the drive-through having everything right there at our Beck and call. That's gotta be an issue too. I mean, that part of it. 00:38:19 Zach Yeah. Well, and also, I mean, having my daughter watch what I'm doing, right. It's for me, it's, I watched my dad, I watched my mom and it was poor choices. Those poor choices lived on in me. It's my responsibility kind of break that chain and have my daughter watch me make good choices most of the time yeah. With the occasional reward. Right. And, and break that chain. She doesn't grow up in the same way, having those, poor relationship with food that I always have. Yeah. 00:38:51 Terry Right. Yeah. I always, I have, my daughters are almost 23 and 29 now. I used to tell them all the time, I thought you were only three. I'm sorry, did I say 29? And. 00:39:07 Speaker 4 Let the cat out of the bag there. But. 00:39:11 Terry I used to tell him all the time and I still do just joking with him, add that to your list for therapy, for your future therapist. That's just something that you're going to have to, but the more that you, like you were saying, your daughter's nine and she needs to emulate you and your decision, your choices. She doesn't have to deal with this later on in life. Yeah. 00:39:35 Zach Trust me that there's plenty of other things that I'm doing that is going to need therapy later. She has, she'll. 00:39:41 Terry Have a running list. It'll go forever. 00:39:44 Zach She has a little notebook that says notes to my future therapist. 00:39:48 Terry Get rid of that. I mean, gold frame it, 00:39:51 Roy Well, the other thing is that we're, I'm getting to a point of, we start thinking about outliving our wellness and that's a new little catch phrase that we like to use is because, you see so many people that they age and, either they're, they've got a good mind and their body's broken down or their body's broken down and they still have a good mind. A lot of times they have to have intensive care from somebody else, a family member typically. So, at some point I've started really thinking that one through that, I wish I'd have started earlier, but it's never too late to start, but the sooner we can think about what are we going to look like when we're 80, because, nowadays they talk about, diabetes or they talk about dementia being the, type three diabetes. And, just some of the things that we've done with the quality of food that we've eaten and, it really can lead to our detriment. 00:40:51 Roy Sometimes that doesn't manifest it until later in life. 00:40:56 Terry Yeah. The closer we get to that's something I, 00:40:59 Speaker 5 Go ahead. Sorry. 00:41:01 Jeremy Yeah. I was just gonna say that's something that I think about a lot too. I've had a number of friends and family members that have had cancer. I always think it's so interesting how we need that. You're going to die really soon unless you start eating this way. I, I constantly say to myself, get online and Google what your doctor would prescribe. If you were diagnosed with cancer and start eating that right now, it seems really simple. There there's an outline, there's a nutrition plan to fight off cancer, but we don't start eating it until we have it. Exactly. Yeah, I think about that a lot. I also think that is one of those things similar to, I'm going to do this for a year. I'm going to do this for five years. Yeah. If I worry about how I'm going to feel in 30 years, I'm going to lose sight of what do I need to do today. 00:41:48 Jeremy Right. To me, it's just, it's those baby steps. It's whatever I can do today to better than I was yesterday is ultimately what's going to happen when I'm 65, 70, whatever I look back and go, oh, those are the, I made good choices. I did the best I could with. 00:42:02 Terry I know. That's what we just got a, book is called how not to die. It's, it's amazing, but it talks about all those different diseases, the type two diabetes cancers, I just, all of that and inflammation. That's why we decided to kind of go with the plant-based diet because, we have different medications that we're on, for different things. And, just trying to get off of those, you can get off of those medications through eating properly, what you eat. Yeah. It's, that's what kinda turned us in toward that direction. Not only that, but, because it's better for us, not to pack on the pounds and all of that. I know we're. 00:42:49 Roy Way long on time guys, but just one more topic I want to bring up is the emotional, cause we're talking about this and, one, another big thing I'm struggling with and trying to break is that, not necessarily like the bad stuff, but more the good stuff, the celebrations, everything is emotional. Like let's go eat or get the ice cream for this to celebrate, but also, factoring in or thinking about it as fun because going out with friends and family and you go somewhere and you eat and chat and the reality is we can go eat healthy, but we can go chat with people and not have to eat bad or eat food that is not as good for us as we would like. So, not tell the story that it's very fresh in my mind that Terry was out running around one day and she called and said, I'm on my way home. 00:43:46 Roy Have you eaten yet? And I said, no. I started welling up inside, like, she's going to say, great. I am going by Chick-fil-A to pick up some stuff. She's like, okay, well there's some salmon and some asparagus in their fridge. I just felt like I just was deflated. It was like, all the air just blew out of me. That again, it's a realization that, oh my gosh, you have this, such an attachment to food that it, what does it matter? Does it really matter if I ate the chick? whatever I eat it's as long as it's healthy and it gives me fuel to live for another day. That's really all this is about, but these, all these attachments that we have, it's just crazy. 00:44:31 Jeremy I know in my case, all of that links back to sugar, the more processed and sugary foods I have, the way easier it is to cave into those cravings, to cave, to those emotions and eat that way. I, I mentioned that I, I started doing the keto diet after a conversation with Zach, and it wasn't even that strict about it. I just went, what, I'm just a hundred carbs a day. That's it, that's my limit. I'm going to experiment with that. And we'll play with that. See where that leads me. I got more and more strict about it. I started working out every day and doing these things. It was so funny because I distinctly remember this day at work when, one of my colleagues was eating wheat thins. She's just sitting at her desk snacking. I mean, she was like a cheerleader for the Houston rockets. 00:45:13 Jeremy I mean, she's in fantastic shape and she's, she can eat whatever she wants. She offered me some and I looked at it and it was as though she was offering me a hockey puck was just like, I was like, that's not even food. Like how, what you're asking by offering me this. I can't even process that as a question because you're not offering me food. My relationship just completely changed with those kinds of foods because I had just so completely cut them out of my diet and was feeling so good. They're just like, it just doesn't I two and three makes 47. That does not compute. I can't do that. Yeah. Just changing that relationship was huge for me. Again, not to be repetitive, but I just think that why question is going to be the thing that is a game changer for so many people. 00:45:58 Jeremy When I, when I still get an occasional, craving to drink a beer, I love beer. Love it, delicious, amazing. It just, it's, it causes more problems for me than solves them, although it does solve some problems, but by shifting to non-alcoholic beers, I've found some really high end ones that are really good, that tastes like real beer. You mentioned those reward systems and like the hanging out with friends, I can drink those and have that in my hand. It feels exactly the same as it used to only I don't wake up feeling horrible the next day. 00:46:36 Zach Yeah. Yeah. I quit drinking probably five years ago now, too. I was gonna use that as an example, the, it was a very hard thing to do because so of all of my friend group, I was the first one to do it. We would, but one of the things we would do is we would meet at a pub to socialize and everyone would drink beer. I was showing up and not drinking beer and I was drinking water. It was really hard to do, mentally, right. Because you go, you're going to drink beer. From the food perspective, I will say, I started earlier, like I did a three-day fast and having, that data of really reflective moments of why am I hungry? Yeah. Like what is the real here? I know I'm not going to die. What's the real reason. And, and just exploring that and being curious about it. 00:47:37 Zach I think that's one of the things that's really helped me is the curiosity, the, having the courage and to be brave enough to explore that stuff. Because if we're all being honest, right, you open some of those doors, you don't want to look inside. Right. Right. You want to keep them closed. If you can get to the underlying problem as to what's going on, right. It, it really does change your relationship now. Now my reward for, Hey, I want to go eat something. My reward is I go do 10 pushups. Yeah. I switched it. If I can. 00:48:14 Jeremy Jump on something that you said there too, even it doesn't always have to be the dark demon in the closet. I know for me, I have a habit of, during my Workday, I just, I need a reason to get up and walk away from the desk. Right. Way too often, it's go grab a snack from the kitchen. It used to be, go across and get another cup of coffee and a snack from the kitchen or whatever. When I get real honest with myself, the reason I'm doing it is I don't like my job. I don't want to be doing it. I won't come up with any distraction to go do something else, even if it's for two minutes. And even if it poisons my body. That's not like, dad beat me up when I was three. That's just, Hey, I got to find another job. 00:48:53 Jeremy This isn't working out for me. It doesn't always have to be basing your deepest, darkest fear. Sometimes it's just overcoming whatever the small hurdle is. That's right in front of your face. Yep. 00:49:02 Roy Yeah. Are feeling like we need that reason. Cause I'm the same way of being like, I love my job. Thank goodness. It's like, task within that, you bump up against something that's kind of hard. It makes you have to sit and think, and it, and I'm the same. It's like, well, let me just get up and get something to eat while I think about this. The other thing too is I, I feel so much better if I just go for a walk. If I take the same five minutes and go outside fresh air and clear my head, I would come back and even perform better, but not eating and then feeling bad. And, talking about the beer and stuff, around here going and having some, Mexican food with margarita and some chips, but I'm telling you, I could, and it's it, wasn't a hangover, but I could drink one margarita and the chips and I could feel so bad the next morning, till 10 or 11, o'clock it just a cloud and feel like, for my eyes and above was just full of congestion. 00:50:00 Roy So, that's been a big reason too, for me to switch some things and not to go do that it's because I just got where it makes me so feel so bad the next day, I'm trying to get out from under it got worse and worse. So. 00:50:14 Jeremy Yeah, your body's going to be the best teacher in all of this. It's just pay attention to attention or do whatever it is you're going to do and you'll make them, you'll make the right. 00:50:21 Roy Choices, guys. I know we're way late, for, we go couple things. What is a tool, a habit? What is something that each of y'all do in your daily life that adds a lot of value, professional, personal whichever. 00:50:34 Zach Yeah. I'll I want to make sure I mentioned something that I haven't mentioned already. So, as weird as this sounds journaling for me is a huge one. I, I currently use a, a product called the full focus planner and it's just a kind of a methodology and this planner that you get, your three biggest things done and you schedule everything. Within that, it's professionally personally, right? I schedule my healing time. I schedule my work time. I schedule my, family time and it allows me to be productive and not put things off, but it also gives me a place to get my thoughts out on a piece of paper, because once they're out of my head, they're not circling around and causing trouble anymore. So, and that's my own preference for journal. If you can just spend a couple of minutes with yourself, getting the thoughts out of your head onto a piece of paper and being grateful about it can make a huge difference in your day. 00:51:38 Zach Yeah. Way to steal my thunder. And you. 00:51:43 Jeremy Say the exact same thing. It is, it is so important to me every day to envision the day, the way I want it to go so that when I do run up against those roadblocks and I feel like, oh, I need to, I want to eat something I want to not work out. I can look back and go, well, what did I tell myself this morning when I was alert and on it and focused and knew what I wanted out of life. Yeah. And I can refer to that. It just, it really keeps me accountable. Most days what I wrote down doesn't happen. A lot of it does some of it doesn't and that's again, getting comfortable with forgiving yourself and forgiving that you cannot create the exact life you want, but you can work toward goals. Yeah. The closer you get, the better you'll feel along the way. 00:52:22 Jeremy Then, just in terms of something practical or something more tangible that I have been experimenting with, and it might sound weird, and this is probably a whole other show, but I've been experimenting with using CBD as a supplement. Because I've found that it really regulates my anxiety and my depression and it helps keep me focused. It's not, there's no high, there's no psychotropic effect. It's just, it's about balancing your body's natural cannabinoids to a level that is the way they should be functioning. That so many things like diet and busy lifestyle center. 00:52:56 Roy Okay. Interesting. Yeah. The journaling, it's funny, you mentioned it cause I've been trying to do better about that. And, not just, and I think like Zach said, it seemed like just getting things. It doesn't have to be stressed, but just getting the thought, whatever it is out of my head and on paper, it just seems to be so much more clearing. I feel like I've had a clear head, doing it too. So, 00:53:21 Terry Yeah. Zach, you mentioned it's so important to be grateful. I mean, just think about being grateful at least a few times a day, that has a lot to do with it. Just keeping that positivity go. And. 00:53:37 Roy Most of us have a lot to be thinking, yes, we do. You get it instead of getting focused on that negative and why we want to go eat, because let's focus on the, all the great things. We talk a lot about that too. If you've got 10 things on your to-do list today, and you get seven done, we beat herself up over these other three, but let's celebrate the seven. Let's take away some gratitude. Anyway, I'm going to wrap it up. You guys, we could talk for a lot longer, so thank y'all tell everybody course, how can they reach out and get a hold of, y'all talk about your, podcast. 00:54:10 Jeremy Yeah, the website is, thefitmess.com and we're fitness guys on pretty much every social platform that's out. 00:54:17 Roy There. Okay. All right. Well, great. Well, thanks so much. I can find us, of course, at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media platforms, as well as the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not one that you listened to, please reach out, be glad to get it added. So till next time I'm rolling. I'm Terry take care of yourself and take care of your family. Thanks guys. Thank you. Thank you. www.thefitmess.com www.feedingfatty.com
Want to Rock Some Good Food? Pair With A Great Beverage and Even Better Music with Josh Kemble There is nothing better than good food, a good beverage, and great music. We talked to Josh about how he goes about pairing food, beverage, and music. Some times it can start with the music, something that might remind you of a trip you were on. Then of course there are the sides. What goes good with a brisket? Mac and Cheese? Is there a way to jazz it up some? Listen for more. About Josh K. “Yosh” or Chef JK. Proud Husbo and 3x Rad Dad. Exec Chef. Punk Rock. Beer and Wine Pairings. Podcast Host of The Family? Cast: Food and Music Is Life, Yes? Spiritual Free Thinker. PMA. Expert level fluency in Movie Quotes and 3rd Grade Spanish. CA Teaching Credential Culinary Arts. Food Safety and Hospitality Management Exam Proctor. Restaurant, Event, and Strategic Planning Consultant. Usually hungry and or thirsty. www.feedingfatty.com Full transcript Below Want to Rock Some Good Food Pair With A Great Beverage and Even Better Music with Josh Kemble Sat, 5/29 8:53AM • 56:01 SUMMARY KEYWORDS people, food, eat, pairings, pairing, music, punk rock, vegan, good, chef, big, beer, play, texas barbecue, diet, cook, fun, meat, based, called SPEAKERS Terry, Josh, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:14 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So we are the podcast that's chronicling our journey, my journey through wellness, trying to get healthy, lose some weight. And, you know we talk about what's going on in our life some and we also have guests from time to time and today is no different. We've got Josh Kemble with us, Terry, I'll let you introduce him. Terry 00:37 Yeah, Josh Kemble is an executive chef and credential teacher for the culinary arts. He specializes in pairings particularly pairing music and food and beverage. He's been singing in a punk rock band since he was 17. And has helped other bands and musicians write and record their songs. And he loves both industries. He hosts a podcast called family food and music is life. Yes. And they talk about they talk to people on both, either or both food service and music industries and how the two intersect. Josh, thank you for coming onto the show. We welcome you and are excited to talk to you about all these pairings with food and drink and all of that. Josh 01:26 Yeah, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. I was thinking as, as the intro music was going painting, we should have just jazz us up with some. Yeah, that'd be fun. Right? I liked that song, too. The one you had is pretty fun. Roy Barker 01:42 Yeah. Yeah, we try to find try to find something a little bit whimsical. But yeah, you also talk about I mean, I know your love for food and music kind of puts you in this space. But tell us a little bit number one about how you got here. 01:55 You know, Roy Barker 01:56 a lot of us in I think we've had this discussion prior that you know, it started out going to some wine tastings and wine pairings. And, you know, after about three, four is like, to me, my palates, not that delicate. So it all tasted the same. But I tell you where I had fun was with beer, because there's just so much beer out there now. But we didn't have that musical element. So I think it's the kind of cool, cool deal to think about not only the food and the drink, but also putting some good music with it. So how did you? How did you put all this together and end up here. Josh 02:34 Um, I think I think probably started when I was learning how to cook as a kid, with being my grandparents were always cooking in the kitchen. And they also always had music playing. Okay, so it's probably always just been, it's been a sensory, almost like a sensory pairing. But from when I was first learning how to cook. And there was also singing happening at the same time and dancing. all at the same time in the kitchen. Both of my grandparents, these are my Mexican grandparents. And I was always in the kitchen with them because I was always, you know, at their side. And my grandfather had a farm but you know, animals and stuff like that. So he was always there was always just music playing and no matter what they were doing, so the activity of life was always paired with music already. Yeah. And then you know, who would eat with music, we would go to parties, and there'd be music playing. So it was always just the sensory experience to have those things together. And I think if you go to those restaurants, any resume, or coffee shop, they're probably playing music. They're sure that there's a certain pattern that we're we're maybe not aware of, Roy Barker 03:38 I don't know. No, didn't even think about that. But you're right. Usually there's some little background music going on. Josh 03:47 Yeah, and if there's not, it's it's it. Maybe it's awkward. It's too quiet. You're gonna have to hear each other talk. Terry 03:52 And then you have everybody eating crunchy and down the street. Yeah. Yeah. scraping the forks, Josh 03:59 weights. Exactly. So. So it's a good thing to, I think to do it because also it's, it's a little bit fun. It's fun to do it together to kind of figure out what goes with what. So it's not just your average run of the mill tasting experience that most people have had at one point or another. Whether it's sipping wine or sipping coffee. One of my favorite ones that I've done recently was actually with the Texas bourbon company, garrison brothers, where they came out here and they did a they brought their big ol hat cowboy hat 10 gallon hats, and they were telling telling everyone how bourbon in Texas is made. And you know, we paired food with it. And they Yeah, it was just a good time. Awesome. Roy Barker 04:42 So where do you even start? I mean, like, you know, it doesn't matter if it's beer bourbon wine, but you start with the drink. Do you start with the food do you in and then how do you add music and on top of that Josh 04:58 sometimes it starts with the music actually. I just I think it depends on how you're inspired first. And whether it's if you hear something and you're like, oh, wow, this reminds me of taking a trip to Hawaii. And we went to this place and there was a, there was this band playing on the cliff side, and we were drinking these drinks or having this good food or even just having a good experience with the music. You say, I could imagine, like, relaxing in my backyard listening to this music, you know, having my favorite coffee in the morning or cocktail night or whatever the case may be whatever you do or don't enjoy. But so sometimes it starts with the music in that sense. And then sometimes it can be like the food experience. Well, you know, some people can't have peanut butter and jelly sandwich or cookies without a cold glass of milk. Like, there's automatic pairings that you you think are what's it called? You have to have them, it's a guarantee that you're gonna have milk. And if you're gonna have cookies, yeah, but it? I mean, it doesn't have to be like that, but it's good. If it is it makes friends. Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense to your brain growing up as mac and cheese, you know, certain things that go together, you know, they don't have to be that way. But it's just the way that it works. So you take that pairing, and you say, Can we do a different kind of cheese with the mac and cheese? Can we do a different kind of jelly, and so you start playing with it. And then you expand from there. And then you pair different kinds of, for examples, coffees with different breakfast foods or different excuse me different sandwiches with that milk, or you know, you can play around with whatever, yeah, take it from the experiences that you may or may not already know, Texas barbecue, everyone has this idea what that should or you know, should be, there's like the Bible of you know, Texas barbecue right there. And then you kind of do pairings based around that. So it's automatic, you know, if you want it to be, it just has to ask to make sense to some degree. But there also has to be a sense of showing the person enjoying your, your, your pairing, like why it works, because it's so crazy that it works. Yeah, it's always sometimes it's crazy. Roy Barker 07:04 Yeah, and I've got a good example of that we, like I said, we went I went used to go to a place that we did the wine pairings for a long time. And it just got boring. So the shift started doing the different beers. And one of the things that he took was he had, I don't like dark beer, I like light, lighter colored beer. But he took this dark vanilla beer, and he paired it with a chocolate. I mean, like a deep dark chocolate cupcake with sea salt on the top of it. And who I wouldn't have thought I would like that either. But it was amazing. When you had those two together, it just tasted, it changed the texture and the taste of both of them where the beer was actually good. And this chocolate cupcake, you know, because if I eat a cupcake by itself, it was way too chocolatey. And it just I don't like that much. So But anyway, I think it's just interesting, the way that the different taste kind of meld in our mouth to make something we probably wouldn't even enjoy to something we really like. Josh 08:06 Exactly, yeah, you might not like, like, like you said, it's not it's not about them separately, it's about them together, and they, they should elevate each other in your on your palate, your scent. And you kind of I kind of teach people when we're doing the pairings, it's I use it as a educational experience, too. So you're trying to use all five, maybe even six senses, when you're doing the pairing. So you got to look at your drink, and you're going to you're going to touch the glass and you're going to smell everything and taste everything, see everything, you're going to even listen, if it's a beard, you know, for the for the carbonation. So you want to make it a full sensory experience, so that it evokes everything from either your memories from the past that we're doing something that's like, say like a Girl Scout cookie pairing or, you know if it's something fun, or especially with Texas barbecue, because there's all the smoke and all the flavors of that just the inherent, you know, history of the being that we're trying to portray. On on the plate or on the menu. So we explain every dish, we explain every course every pairings I do it with I could do it with beverage maker, whether that's coffee, tea, liquor, whatever. Beer wine, like you said, I do love a good, there's some really good beers coming out of Texas these days. And so we've done some beer dinners with some of those beers as well. And it just has to the beer, the beverage and the food should elevate each other. And then you add music into that layer, another layer of sensory, you could say sensory overload to some degree, add another layer to that. And it's going to make the pairing experience that much more unique and memorable. And, you know, it could be the highlight of the menu if there's a perfect song with this perfect pairing or whatever, you know, like eggs can be can be really awesome. For some people. Some people like I didn't like that one. And maybe Maybe it was because they didn't like the way the music sounded with you know, whatever. Yeah, Terry 09:58 so it all has to Work together. So it should Yeah. So what kind of I'm very curious. I am old, old school punk rock. So I'm thinking, you know, remotes and the B 50. twos before love jack, you know? Yeah. So bands like that, you know, the clash, Sex Pistols, all of that. So what kind of what kind of food would go with punk rock? Josh 10:28 Oh, that's a really good question. So, so So my first experience with with the genre of punk was was the clash, you know, back then, I heard it on the radio, I think they started getting radio play in in California and like, 7980 Yeah, around there. When the I heard it on the radio, I was like, What is this and, and my uncle, he remodeled car redid cars. And we drove around cool looking old cars around around town and stuff like that. So he would restore old cars, and they had old stereos, but he would always get radio. And so we're cruising around, you know, cruising low red or cruising around the city, and the clash comes on. And so we're one of the only like, low rider cars cruising through not playing all these is playing the clash. And I'm like, What is this because I'm used to hearing other music coming out of history. He's like, Oh, that's punk rock, you know, this, this the bank of the clash, you know, because there wasn't a lot, there wasn't a lot of that on the radio. Right. And so I had already started associating kind of that, that music with, with, with my experiences in the in the Mexican culture. Because Because we are driving to a backyard barbecue, you know, we're we're gonna have a bunch of, you know, kardinya, salad steaks and tortillas and all this stuff. So I had already started doing some kind of, you know, not I wasn't trying to bury it, but I was already doing those pairings. So when I hear when I hear the clash, or some some of those older punk rock bands in my from my life, they were like, I learned about those bands a little bit later in my punk rock career, actually, after I really found out who the clash was, and what they stood for. And all this stuff started learning about, because they have a lot to say about government and politics, rebelling, and being yourself and, you know, speaking up for the lesser person and stuff like that. So I so in that vein of punk rock, I really latched on to that. And then the more you get into punk rock, ethos, and values and stuff like that, it's more like, Oh, we have a lot to learn as a society about major corporations and big food and small farms. And, you know, learning about like what Cesar Chavez did for the farmers in California, and what, what the heck, the class was actually talking about when they're talking about, you know, the stuff that they were talking about in England and coming to America and all this stuff. And I think that a good food pairing with punk rock would be anything that's kind of against the norm, anything against McDonald's, anything against mainstream food, or like, you know, like I said, corporate, like Tyson and Monsanto, and conagra and those kind of things. So, to me, being a punk rock chef, excuse me, is being able to make kind of make your own menu, and or play off of those things that people know, like I said, like, for example, a Big Mac, and you make it you make your own thing, you know, and that's punk rock, because you're taking the established, like Bailey's, you know, punk rock solid, like, anti establishment, right? You take the established, like, say, McDonald's, for example, I hate I hate given them shout out, or whatever company big corporation, but everyone knows McDonald's because they're worldwide. You take their food, and you make a play on it. We do a whole McDonald's inspired menu. And it's punk rock. It's, it's not the Big Mac, it's whatever we do, but it's like, you know, organic produce grass fed beef homemade buns, the way actually technically the way McDonald's started, as was like that. And then they started growing and growing, growing. So yeah, in the punk rock spirit of things, you know, how big do you how big do you can you get and still be punk rock, you know? or? Yeah, How big? How much can you grow without hurting yourself? Or your fans? or whatever, you know? Yeah. So to answer your question, it'd be any kind of food that's anti establishment is that I guess Terry 14:17 that makes tons of sense. Roy Barker 14:18 So you brought up something good memory is, you know, things that we relate to when that song was popular when we were younger and things. So like, when if you were going to start putting a menu together, do you? Do you kind of rely on that experience that you had to think about? Oh, well, you know, when I was listening to the class, we were going to the you know, the backyard barbecue, so that's pretty cool. Or do you think about now I've eaten this food before, and it kind of has that texture and flavor. It may go good with this and because that's what I don't really like. Like I said, my palate is not that deep. delicates I'm not the right guy to be talking about it, but Terry 15:03 not just everything. Roy Barker 15:06 But you know, thinking about just, you know, the different things that may even go together. And I guess that's even the probably the fun part of your job and getting to do that is you get I guess you do a lot of taste test and to see how this goes. And Josh 15:21 yeah, yeah, we call it a we call it quality control. Right? Yeah. Because, because also, because we're in we're here in San Diego, some people call it the craft beer capital of the world. And I have so many really good breweries and wineries around around my kitchen around my house around the county around the whole area. Right, right. So we want to figure out what tastes the best with what, right. So I mean, you can have an idea, like once you do the pairing, like like your friend did the pairing with that certain beer, and that certain cupcake, yeah. And you could do something like that again, and make a little bit different or use a little, little different. I mean, a different beer company that has a similar beer, and put it in there. But the memory, the memory, part of it is definitely a strong, a strong way to I mean, I think we eat with our memories sometimes. And we eat with our eyes first, as the saying that we've talked about in the kitchen, when we're when we're pleading the food all beautifully, or whatever. And if you have an experience at a restaurant, or a wedding or event or anything like that, I think and this, you can both correct me if I'm wrong, but more people talk about a negative experience with food than they do a positive. Yeah, it's Oh, my gosh, the food was, you know, or the one thing that you remember at a wedding, besides the actual marriage is the food. Yeah. You know, like if whether whether that's food I ever had, or Whoa, whoa, everybody got sick from the food? That's all we talked about. Roy Barker 16:52 Yeah, no. Well, there's so there's, there's a scientific evidence on that the people that have a bad experience will tell eight people and somebody just told me that that number up to 12. Now and if you have a good experience, you're lucky if you tell one person so yeah, definitely. The bed makes the rounds quicker. Josh 17:13 Exactly. Especially in the days now of Yelp. And other other Oh, you know tattletale websites or websites that are meant websites that were meant to help other businesses or have now just become like a complaining that a complaint forum rent, as it were, you know, that can hinder the businesses at least have an independent chef or food truck or whatever. Yeah. So the memory part of it is almost like, we don't, we don't, some people are not even relying on the memories anymore, because they're just, they'll just go to Yelp to look for something and up to many negative reviews. I'm not gonna go there and check it out myself. Somebody Terry 17:50 is worried that they don't even know. Yeah, Josh 17:52 exactly. Yeah, exactly. So. So that's, that is part of it. But But if, like, if you can think of say, you know, your favorite song or whatever, you might even have memories associated with that, where you were cruising around in your car, eating something and drinking something with your friends, you know, automatically without even having a chef's mind behind it. It might be like, Oh, yeah, we used to go to this place and drink the actual Texas Dr. Pepper and like, do this stuff. Or, you know, Roy Barker 18:20 it's funny, it's, it's, uh, you know, I was just saying about that there used to be. We were, it was talking about one of my first business experiences, we me and a friend of mine, you know, when we were like, 14, we, we sold, we sold what we cleaned out of barns for fertilizer. But it's funny, you mentioned that because that was kind of our reward was the 711 had a two for two hot dogs and a Dr. Pepper for 50. That's Oh my god, that sounds terrible. But anyway, you know, so thinking about that, I think, anyway, the memory and the memory of those hot dogs and us being out, you know, hauling that fertilizer around that that does go together. Josh 19:04 Exactly. Yeah. So So now hopefully, when you think about hot dogs, you're thinking about fertilizer. Terry 19:12 fertilizer. Josh 19:14 I mean, I do love I do. And I mean, most chefs will agree no matter how healthy you are, or what you've gone through in your eating career in life or whatever. Sometimes we this love late night junk food thing, you know, like we go to a taqueria that's open till 2am or whatever, because we're making good food all day long for hundreds of people. I just don't I just want to talk you know you want somebody else to visit there's nothing wrong with it but I just want to or I just want to come home and put food in a tortilla and eat it you know what no plate Roy Barker 19:42 simple you know that's that's what I like to though simple is good and that you know we have that discussion all the time because Terry's always trying to outdo herself and make something that's more fancier than last time like simple can be good and overcomplicate it and that you know Something not this the shift that I had mentioned earlier, that's something that me and him had a conversation about. Because, you know, we had what I would call some snooty people at the wine event. And, you know, they'd get on to him about this or that. And, you know, when when he came over to the beer crowd, I'm like, you know what, take a chance, take a chance and gamble because you know, what, if this isn't any good, there's a McDonald's or Taco Bell on the way home is like, we're gonna die. And we're not we're not gonna starve to death. But I think that's how these creations I think that's the best creations is when somebody really steps out there and takes a chance on the the food, drink the music. Josh 20:41 Yeah, definitely. And that's, that's kind of a it's a fun way. For brewers and white wine makers and chefs, distiller it's a fun way for people to kind of show off the stuff that they've been making. Or, and or it's a fun way to experiment. You know, sometimes I tell people, we're gonna have an experimental dinner, you know, it's not going to be your, your classic pairings that, you know, people who go to the dinners a lot, they kind of know what's going to be there, right now, there's always gonna be the X amount, of course, it's going to be around this price. So you kind of have to play to them a little bit and or you talk to those people and say, I need you guys to come to this one, because I just really want to try something, but I can't try on the general public kind of, right. Yeah, and especially with something like a music pairing. That's very specialized. It doesn't have to be it could be very, it could be very simple. Like, hey, we're just gonna have we're just gonna listen to like the Beatles while we're, you know, doing this food or I had some I had one plan for last year that we're gonna have to bring back. Now that things are we're kind of reopening in California. Slowly but surely. Basically, it's a like a Metallica themed brunch. Right? So it's a metal, heavy metal. And all the food. Food is that we're cooking is based on like food puns based on their song titles. So so people, yeah, so it's not necessarily specifically paired with the music per se, because it's all about one band. Yeah, but it's all it's a theme on the band. Everybody's gonna kind of land we're gonna say it's not snooty, we're gonna you're gonna come dressed like you're going to a concert, you know, denim, denim vests, you know, whatever you want to wear to a Metallica show. Yeah, and we're gonna have brunch. And we're going to try to get, you know, Metallica has a bourbon Metallica has a beer. And they're going to have a friend come and play acoustic Metallica songs on the guitar and whatever. So it's just gonna be a fun time. And it's brunch, Saturday or Sunday morning, whatever. But it's not like other pairings where it's like, you go into a dinner, I mean, to a restaurant, or whatever. And you have to have your restaurant manners on, you know, like that. You have to pay, you know, this high a super high amount of money. And you're going to have this kind of a steak that you might always have or whatever, we're just at a higher price because it's appearing. So I like to have fun with it, and make that unique experience. So that's kind of one of the musical pairings. It's like, I just pick a theme and say, we're gonna we're just gonna make puns that have all their song titles, because they have like, over 100 songs, so why not? You know? Terry 23:20 Surely there are some pens and yeah, that's awesome. Josh 23:23 Oh, yeah, just, you know, just just making dad jokes all day long. Roy Barker 23:29 When we can get back to it, there's nothing better than you know, going out and listening to a band and you know, having some good food and good drink. Josh 23:40 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we have. Yeah, definitely. Something something we've been longing for. Oh my Terry 23:45 gosh, we have we have stones tickets. We were supposed to see him this time last year. And still, you know, we still don't know anything, which is fine with me and hanging. I'm hanging on to them because I've never seen them. I've seen a lot of people but I've never seen Oh, never seen them. So if they do it, that'll probably be fun. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they Josh 24:10 were supposed to play here in town, actually in our at our stadium, but we're our baseball and football team used to play but they they actually tore down the stadium during because they canceled you know, at the beginning of everything kind of last last spring. It was like, well, the stones aren't going to play here anymore. Let's just Terry 24:27 get rid of it. So they took it down. It's gone. That's good reason. Good enough. Okay, so we are we have just started a plant based diet. Okay, so what kind of use as a chef you cook with organic and grass fed Whole Foods and all of that. Yes. Josh 24:54 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. sustainable and all that kind of stuff. Yes. Terry 24:57 sustainable. That's what I was looking for. I'm so I'm just a whole bunch of words. Yes, there really are. So I'm just kind of throw in stuff to get I'm doing, you know, I've been doing some reading and we've been doing some interviewing of, I mean, everything points to plant based as, as, you know, helping with inflammation and diseases. And yes, and we're getting older and needing to worry about things like that, which you should do all the time, then you won't have to worry about it later in life, necessarily. But so what do you have any good? good ideas for me for like, keen? Any good? keen, Wah or? lindo? Josh 25:44 Yeah, so a lot of it's based on, you know, how much of one thing you're trying to get, like, so it's, even if you're doing a vegan diet, or plant based, or keto or any of the diets, you still have to, I believe, you still have to have some kind of balance for your own ecosystem. body. So some, if you do too much of what, you know, for a while it was the fad was Atkins style dieting. And that's basically though, if you break it down, though, that's all high cholesterol, fat, you know, which is bad for some people to do that. It has the benefits of the diet, but then what are the end? What are the end results? You know, what's your return on investment for doing this diet? Right, you know, so, for the plant based, plant based and what I mean by the balances. I'm not, I'm not a vegan person, but I understand the value of eating having a vegan part of my diet. At my kitchen, we do. We do all the lunches for this company called Dr. Bronner's. They make all the soaps and stuff like that. But they, they, they, they are feeding, we're doing 125 meals a day for them. And they're 100% vegan and organic, right? So we have to think of every single week, every single two weeks, we have to think of new menu items to feed 125 people every single day. So you take like your basic, say, even the first food item that comes to your head, no matter what kind of diet, we say, Okay, can we do that? We do shrimp and grits as a vegan thing. How do we do that? So? Or can we do like a clam chowder and turn it vegan so so there's, there's there's always ways to do it. Not every single thing is a hit, you know, but there's, but there are there are ways to incorporate those things into your into your life and cut out. You know, things like, you know, meats that are too Fatty, or dairy, too much dairy, too much dairy in your diet, too much gluten in your diet, right? Because our bodies are designed a certain way to not really handle that there's a really good argument to be to have a vegan and plant based lifestyle because we you may or may not be able to digest that because you were probably not created today, just that we started doing that it's through and through our own macro evolution as humans, we started digesting animals and animal products and stuff like that out of some necessity or just, or just the way that that America was conquered. You know, yeah, he came. came to America. Terry 28:14 Yeah. And that's kind of why Roy, I mean, in that, Roy Barker 28:17 yeah, there was just a couple there's a couple things I was reading and you know, we've talked about it because no, like, beef and meat, it sets heavy on me. Now. I don't you know, I think we are plant based. I don't think we're like never ever again. You know, we were talking earlier tonight that you know, Terry said she may be getting hungry for a piece of fish or something. So you know, we can go out and have but we're just kind of like yeah, making the focal point more the plant based but you know, I read some material that said, like, dairy that we should be, it should make people sick. We're the only humans are the only people that drink other animals milk. And it's and we're the only people that drink milk after infancy because but they said that that was an evolution that milk was very, it's very high caloric. So people found a way to use it, you know, to live and then also some of the shepherds that that's what they had to so the other thing I read was that our bodies you know, we are more the omnivore because we're not totally meat base because we don't have the fangs and our in our digestive tract is too strong. And vice versa on the plants. Our teeth aren't right for that as well. And our digestive system is too short. So you know, I think some write some meat or beef or protein is as good for us. But you know, it's just all the, the we've just read some healthy benefits of that and also doing some intermittent fasting. So it's just something we're going to give a try to see if it's any bad. You know, I think yeah, we kind of preach that as well as that everybody has to find what works for them. I know some people that you know, they're on the keto and they love it. That's good. You know, we're Of course we're not doctors, nutritionists or dieticians, you know, anything with the language behind our name. So, you know, we really report on is kind of what we're trying what's working for us and what's not. And, sure, anyway, we're just gonna see, but it's all about, Josh 30:17 you got to add some exercise into the mix, you know, like, kind of work off whatever is coming into your body, because I have a lot of vegan and vegetarian friends that are still still struggle with weight loss or keeping weight on or whatever the case may be, because, you know, they're still eating stuff like vegan doughnuts or cheese, you know, like they're still eating, they're still getting full all the time and eating high fat, high caloric diets. But just because it's not, you know, meat or their ovo pescatarian, like you said, they eat eggs and fish still. They are not there. It's not a balance, like I was trying to say it was not, they're not getting exercise, they're not drinking half gallon of water a day. You know, so they're they, they're they strict, they adhere strictly. And, you know, I, it's not for me, it's not it doesn't work in every part of the world. I don't think like being having the choice to choose your diet is very awesome. And a nice privilege of being an American, I think because I've traveled a lot. I've traveled all over all over the continent. And, you know, choosing your diet is is so it's so rad that we get to do that. Because when we went to Alaska, I stayed up there for, you know, half a month with one family and all the kids, the kids were responsible for hunting for the family, you know, for meat. Well, think about it, though, in Alaska that the northern most state in our country, right, there's no farmers markets. There's not having they don't have the produce that we have here in San Diego. So what do you do for survival and putting it like that, like you make it happen? Okay. And you can grow stuff? Sure, you can make your own garden but like, it's not, it's not the wealth, the bountiful, the bountiful farmland that I have here in Southern California, you know, so they do it that way. Yeah. And then in southern parts of southern parts of Mexico, they can't afford to eat meat. So they are vegan by default. Right? So they everything's, they have some really good Vegan Cuisine in Mexico that a lot of people don't may or may not know about, but they can make anything into an awesome spread of food with not, you know, with either the worst parts of the animal in the food, like, you know, they make something good out of it, or they just don't have it at all, because you can't afford it. Right. Right. So there's the kind of two extremes of our and we're, you know, we're sitting here in the middle between those two extremes that I just talked about, I guess, we get to choose because, well, I mean, that's just what's afforded to us, we get to do that. And so I, I have to keep that in my mind that I have that. I have that awareness of that privilege that we get to choose what we eat, you know, just verges. I'm thankful. I'm thankful for that. Yeah, Terry 32:53 I know for sure. Josh 32:55 Yeah. And there's some places even in California, like when we I lived in San Francisco, we thought we did a food training program in the more impoverished neighborhood up in San Francisco area. And there was not even there. It's they call it a food desert. There's nowhere to even buy healthy food. Yeah, they're there. There's like liquor stores, and, you know, cheap pizza joints and whatever. But there's no way to buy farmer's market food in that neighborhood. You have to go somewhere else to go to even like a whole foods or the nearest whole foods was like a pretty long bus ride from where we were, you know? Yeah. So it's not accessible. Terry 33:32 I think there's like that in Dallas as well, aren't there? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I think every big city has something like that. Roy Barker 33:41 Well, and we're lucky in the fact to that some countries, it's like, you know, we get to walk into these nice grocery stores, and there is a selection. Whereas sometimes, you know, some countries you walk in, and you take what they have that day. I mean, it's Yeah, you know, it's one thing and there is no so we Yeah, we are definitely lucky that we not only live in this time, but we live in this country because we do have so many choices. And Terry 34:03 some people got a big wake up call to that, you know, just because of COVID because everything was gone. It's like you go in just tried to get a couple of things. I mean, who knows toilet paper and all that stuff would be going for Clorox I'm still trying to get some this Josh 34:18 break. We had we had a little we got a little smidgen of what other people I guess experienced in those. Yes, in that sense, I guess, you know, so. But so I try to keep that in the front of my mind. You know, be aware that we are we're, you know, just I guess be aware of my flute privilege in a sense, you know, yeah. And my son, my son is he's allergic not allergic bees. You know, he's basically allergic to lactose, garlic, and gluten. Oh, so I so I have to be able to I you know, he's, he's lucky and blessed that I am a chef and I can cook different things for him because he would screwed otherwise you know like yeah, like it's easy to get almond milk and cashew milk and stuff like that or whatever. But he you know how we have to make it I have to make him a special dinner that we can all enjoy. I don't want to make like three different dinners right I want to make like one thing that we can all have so we do a lot of we do do a lot of plant based cooking here. But I have to make it have to be able to make it garlic free and still taste good. No dairy and still taste good. You know say I could do a separate one but Roy Barker 35:26 I could do without the dairy but the garlic. That's, that would be a problem. Josh 35:32 Yeah, it's tough. So like if he's gonna if he spends a night at someone else's house, we're like pizza. Roy Barker 35:39 So tell me um, so what is the biggest surprise and you know from the meat from all three standpoints? The music, the food and the beer? What's the big what's the, I guess your biggest success that you put together? And you're like, that was awesome. Terry 35:56 Oh, so many isn't there, Josh? Josh 36:00 Oh, my gosh, too many to choose from a cool one. I have a list right here. I honestly I feel like I feel like, aside from aside from being able to have a family that's a big success. No. Wife and Kids. I think that every time I finished like someone's wedding, I feel like it's a big success. Because I just you know, you feed you feed 30 250 people, all this food, you know, all these courses? And does it you know, everything start to finish make their dreams come true. You know, whatever on this night. I feel like that's a good success. I feel like it's a big. I feel like a little six on a smaller scale. But it's still a big success is when I can make those non garlic non dairy non gluten foods and the whole family is still stoked on the food. Yeah, you know, yes. So because, because sometimes, you know, sometimes it doesn't work. Roy Barker 36:52 Yeah. Is there? Is there a particular pairing that you've put together? That you can remember? that really stood out? Yeah, Josh 37:00 yeah. The last one that we did was really awesome. It was we did try to on a big Santa Maria grill, which is a style of cooking out here. It's kind of like Texas barbecue, except in the fact I mean, don't nobody shoot me. Terry 37:18 Oh my gosh, it's disclaimer. Josh 37:22 Yeah, it's a California style of cooking that was invented by the by rancheros, the Mexican ranchers that were coming up from Mexico through California, with all the cows, and they basically cooked over an open fire. And they the tri tip is a cut of meat that you can really only get and kind of it's really only the western states. They don't do it out west of Texas, you know, maybe not. I don't even know if they do in Texas. But I have never because I know you guys are big on brisket. So you don't need Yeah, it's it's it. It's a special cut. And I did a whole dinner based around it. Excuse me, and I paired it with one of the local breweries who does. They also do gluten free beer. And we did a whole dinner with and everything was basically it was really cool because we brought up the huge grill. Yeah, and everything was cooked on the fire. Everything from the talk, you know, the chicken for the tacos, the tortillas. Everything except for the desserts because my sister's a baker and she didn't want to do her desserts on the fire. But but it was just it was a success in the sense that I was a little scared doing tacos at a beer dinner because it's not it's not super high end. But you charge a little bit more for a beer dinner right than you would for maybe just if I'm selling tacos and beer. It's a full dinner. But but people who were like taco connoisseurs were there and they're like, this is the best taco ever had the pairing made it so much better. You know, like, pairing was is the key when you ended the success comes from when you actually nail the pairing? Yeah, because the because the beers already good. Food The food's already good. Like I have to. I bet the validation comes from when you people are like, the pairing made it awesome, you know? Yeah, so I am like, Yeah. Roy Barker 39:02 Did y'all have music? Did you have music there? Josh 39:06 at that one, that one. That one wasn't music pairing per se, but I told them to. I gave him some ideas of what kind of music should play, you know, like more like, up up tempo, maybe Mexican inspired punk rock. So bands from Mexico that do rock and roll a punk rock would pair well with that. Yeah. All right. It was fun. And it worked. It worked. Roy Barker 39:27 So now you know, the next question come in is what was the biggest flop that you've put together? Josh 39:39 Trick question. Yeah. Well, I think it would be more like, I think that'd be more maybe in the, the, in the music side of things. When you know as if you put out a record, and it doesn't do as well as everyone's anticipating or whatever because like as as music as music trends abin flow, and we put out a record and it doesn't sell as much as the previous record or whatever, right. And we change the style of it, you interrupt the fans perception of what you think music should be or whatever. And I see chefs do the same thing too, if they put something new on the menu, and it doesn't go over as well. So I think, I don't know if it's the biggest flop ever, but like, you know, we've on that kind of, for example, on that vegan menu. But we have to, we have to entertain so many people every single day. 125 people a day. And we put curry on the menu, like just the regular kind of a delicious little Thai curry. Yeah. And we did it twice. And we got feedback that that they said nobody liked it. They liked everything else. Surprise, well, but it's something that it's funny though, because I you make it, I make it for weddings, I make it for different events. And it's always like, Oh my gosh, it's so this is so good. And then you give it to this one company. And they're like, we didn't like it. So we take off the menu. But it's such a weird thing. Because you're used to it being like your go to Yeah, and so, so they don't get it anymore, they decided that they're not going to have that, you know, so it feels like a flop in a way. It's like, well, what am I? It's hard to ask somebody, What don't you like? Yeah, they just don't like it? Well, you can't, you know, Roy Barker 41:22 we've all got different tastes and different backgrounds. So do you find that you put something to get, you know, we're looking, we only have to talk about the curry. But, you know, just in general, you put, you put these two things together that you just think, oh, man, I knocked that one out of the park these tastes so good together. But then other people's taste is just not, not where yours was? Or, you know, are you? Has it gotten to the point that when you think it's pretty good, you know, generally the following is pretty good as well. Josh 41:57 Yeah, I think that even even at the if it's a three course, a three course tasting. And let's say there's like, even if there's 20 people there, and it's like a smaller one. Yeah, almost every single person will have a different favorite of the night. Yeah, they're like, I really miss one. So this will this are like the song you miss chorus, whatever, everyone's gonna pick and choose a different thing. So it's hard to it's hard to gauge my success or failure on on those kind of events sometimes, because, you know, like I said, it's almost like, like a, but when you when the people are at your event in front of you, at the table, or at a wedding and you're trying to impress the bride, or the bride's mom, or whatever the case may be. It's like a living Yelp. Right, right there. Right. And I'm not I'm not like going on the website saying like, Oh, what's this restaurant? Like? Let me let me find out about their their meal, Hawaiian tacos special or whatever. They're right there. And they'll be just be like, yeah, it wasn't good. Like it or whatever. Or, I really liked it. Thank you, I'm going to tell everybody about it, you know, so you wait for that validation. And that's, you know, and that's, that's hard to do as an artist or creators, like, get that validation from people, or, or get that constructive criticism, or feedback. Hey, I just wanted to let you know, I think that blah, blah, you know, I mean, there's ways to do it. And I'm, I'm mature, and I can hear people, I can accept people saying, you know, maybe it wasn't as good as your last time or whatever. But if they do it in the right way. You're sensitive baby. erry 43:35 Yeah, they are. Right. Roy Barker 43:39 Like I said before, and I mean, it is that I think we have to encourage our local chefs to, to take a chance. I mean, we would all be eating meat, potatoes, and green beans, if people didn't take a chance, so may not be our favorite. Terry 43:53 Those aren't bad things. But they're now the same thing over Roy Barker 43:56 and over, we just have to encourage our chefs to take a chance, it may not be our favorite meal, but we got to encourage them to keep trying and coming up with all these different cool things. I mean, there's, that's the other thing, you know, talking about the grocery stores and how plentiful food is, if he just stop and take all the local restaurants that people have around them, you know, in urban areas. There's so many different varieties of food, not only the Mexican, Italian and different ethnic groups like that. But even within that group, you know, like we've got two or three Mexican food places that they're they're just totally different. But they are still good in their own right. Yeah. So anyway, they're Josh 44:37 just, I mean, it's a huge country. So they're everywhere, right? Yeah. Yeah. Different. cuisine is all over the place. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And there's like Texas barbecue versus Missouri or Kansas Terry 44:49 City. Yeah. States, California. Yeah. Roy Barker 44:52 Yeah, for some right. I get that. Yeah, Tennessee, and I guess Missouri, St. Louis. They all want to have their own Are we? I don't know. I mean, I'm not that much of a connoisseur I guess I like I'll eat it it in. If it's good now. Terry 45:05 Well, I grew. I grew up in Nebraska and we had some good beef. I'm telling ya, I am. This plant based stuff was very hard for me to say yes to. I mean, it's, it's good, but I did make a really good I was gonna tell you I mean, it was really good 10 pay Boland ace. Oh my gosh, it was getting squashed. And I had never cooked with Tim pay before. So I didn't really know what to expect. We've kind of played with some tofu, but it turned out really good. I was proud of myself. That was one one good thing. Yeah. Josh 45:39 That's a good one. Yeah. A lot of stuff with that. Roy Barker 45:41 That's good for the home audience to to, you know, step out there. And like I said, I encourage Terry to take a chance that we're not going to start we'll throw it out whip something else up. It's not a big deal. But she's about 100% she never she never misses. So I'm lucky. Terry 45:54 He just wants to eat. He knows. Josh 46:00 Yeah, I mean, you got to have an adventurous spirit to know, some of the stuff that you like is already vegetarian based. You know, grilled cheese sandwiches vegetarian? Yeah, mac and cheese is vegetarian and vegan necessarily. Right. You know, I guess it depends on when you say plant based if you're talking like full vegan, or vegetarian with, you know, or, you know, most of the, you know, like I said that balance? Terry 46:23 Yeah, we're trying to do the full thing because Josh 46:26 some some of the some of the diets or some of the diets are calorie based also, like, it doesn't matter what you eat depends on the calories. Yeah, you know, right. So like, there's all different ways to pends on your own health, you know, your own your own goals, their, for your health, you know, I was, I was overweight as a kid, you know? And oh, yeah, Terry 46:47 we can talk about that a little bit. Yeah. Okay. I mean, if you want to, probably pertains to the title of, there you go, we need to tie back. Josh 46:59 Yeah, cool, baby. Sir. I think that I think that some of it was, like I said, I don't know about the food desert thing. You know, we were we're not, we're not a rich family by any means. But I think a lot of food that was brought home was not healthy food. And then, you know, it was a tumultuous family situation, too. So I think the trauma adds to adds to some of the weight issues with some kids, you know, growing up and not having, when your parents are so involved with what's going on in the, in their relationship, they might not see everything that needs to happen for the, for the diet, for the health needs. And you know, a lot of a lot of the kids in San Diego and Southern California in different sections to two meals of the day, maybe sometimes two and a half meals are coming from the school, you know, not even coming from their house. So. So that says a lot about like food, and you know, nutrition and homes and stuff like that. It's like some parents just aren't aware of how much a kid actually needs nutritionally. And yeah, there's tons of calories in the house, but it's like, what is it? Twinkies otter pops Kool Aid row, big, big macs, Happy Meals. You know, I don't want to cook tonight. Let's go get a happy meal. This other other bullshit, you know, like, so like, I think that people it's okay every once in a while. Sure. I love I love eating out burger. I mean, Oh, you don't have that in Texas, but Terry 48:22 Oh, yeah, Roy Barker 48:23 yeah, we just got Terry 48:25 in and out. Yeah, Josh 48:27 I I good. Yeah, I everyone loves them for their good reason. It's it's fresh stuff. It's still fast food. It's still a hamburger. Yeah. So if you eat a ton of it, you're gonna get sick, but it's better than other things, you know. So like I said, Every once now might even okay, but when your parents are heavily relying on, on that to support your nutritional value and our nutritional, you know, outcome and your life and stuff like that. It's not it probably won't end up well for the kids. You know. Luckily, I got into, I started getting into sports and music and other things so that I could tone it down a little bit, you know, because the coaches don't put up with that. Yeah. And then, and then if you're into music, you just can't be, you know, you have to be a little bit healthy to be able to play on stage every night to like, you'll just get sick. Yeah, he basically just get sick. Yeah. So, yeah, that was a thing I went through. Roy Barker 49:17 Yeah, um, you know, as well, and we were guilty even as, as adults, you know, it's, it's easy and quick and hitting the drive throughs and it's just, you know, it's making the commitment that, you know, we're going to eat at home and just, you know, try to cook and try to do all these different things, but it's, you know, it's an easy habit to fall into, unfortunately. And you know, I can speak from that that's, you know, why I gained so much weight is just not only poor eating habits, but poor, poor choices of foods are placed to go to so. Terry 49:52 Yeah, and I need chocolate. Yeah, I need it. So you do yeah. Do you need chocolate? It's good for your heart. Yes, it is. Yes. Oh snap this pic how much you think you got to pick how much Yeah, but right and I can just do a little I can just do a bite and be okay. Roy Barker 50:11 It is plant based so I mean, yeah nothing wrong with that all right Josh sweet yeah all the all the all the old stuff. Yeah. Well, any last word before we wrap it up. I know we've gone way long we appreciate your time and you being Oh yeah. Terry 50:31 Yeah, yeah, just the name of your restaurant and and your band and all of that too. Josh 50:38 Oh sure. The so I worked at I worked for harvest kitchen. And so we're we're, you know, a catering a boutique catering company in San Diego, and we got a food truck and we go all around all around the state and stuff like that wherever, wherever food, food festivals, music, festivals, golf tournaments, whatever, weddings, but but we're really focused and committed to like grass fed and organic and local, as local as possible farms and stuff like that. Eating, we don't say healthy, typically we say helpful, helpful, you know, balanced stuff, balanced diet, because like I said, we do love a good braised short rib or like a really good juicy burger. But Where's it coming from? Yeah, and do it. Do I know the person that grew this produce? And you know, so I talked to my reps all the time. And you know how organic stuff like that. Blah, blah, blah. It's a whole it's a whole other topic. Right? But yeah, so harvest kitchen. And so that's, that's, that's where my main chef gig is. And so I do my events based out of there my pairings and stuff with the local breweries and everything like that. And then yeah, my music is I was in a band called dogwood for a long time. So we were all over the place with that I did that full time straight out of high school for about 14 years or so. Yeah. And we put out records and went to Texas a lot, you know, all over Texas, every, every every cool place you could be. And then now now, now I do music called it's called St. delicous, which is the patron saint of San Diego. And so I just, I thought that'd be fun. Yeah, and now, you know, I have, I have different things to say now that I'm, you know, a dad and seeing seeing the world the way it is now versus when I was in high school and things change. So now, that's how I do it now. Yeah. And then, and then I do the podcast, the food and music podcasts, because so many people from both of my careers are kind of doing similar things, whether it's musicians who cook or brewers who used to be musicians, or people who put on concerts or whatever. So I was I just wanted to talk to those people and kind of give voices to you know, more more women in the industry. Because Because in our in the music and food industries, the women have lesser voice a little bit, you know, like they have they have big voices, but they're not always heard. Right. So I kind of wanted to give a platform to more of those people, more of those creators who are kind of keeping helping keep the industry afloat and doing cool things. So yeah, my my show coming out tomorrow is with her. We're kind of a local female chef who used to do music. So it's kind of cool. doing all this stuff to see. And then hearing people's stories. Really, when I do these shows. I'm like hearing Everyone's story. Yeah, learning. Like that. So yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Roy Barker 53:27 So tell me one more time Josh 53:29 10 parting words of wisdom is usually just stay safe and be kind to each other. Roy Barker 53:34 So tell me one more time about the love the catcher's mask. poster behind you. Is that is that a that is? The padres? Josh 53:45 Yeah, it's, it's from the deep padres and the Detroit Tigers 1984 World Series nice. Just a local artist was commissioned to do it. I found it at some thrift store in the corner, like oh, we're getting rid of this. Because that was that was the first time when I was little the Padres had gone to the World Series. Yeah. And they got they got killed in the World Series, but they still went Yeah, so I have this. Yeah, I don't know. It's just a funky colorful back. Yeah. Does my son Terry 54:22 likes baseball? Josh 54:23 Yes. I like baseball. Yeah. So that's fine. That's what it is. All right, Josh. Well, thanks Roy Barker 54:29 a lot. Y'all go visit Josh podcast. It tells how the if somebody wanted you to put on a pairing for them out in the San Diego area How could they reach out what's your email Josh 54:42 either Yeah, either through my my podcast page the family cast on Instagram or or even just my personal one is Josh camp EMB. That's my and then at the through those two it kind of links to all my other stuff too. So I got I got a food page and a music page and hardest kitchen page. So Kind of active all over the internet. Yeah, Terry 55:01 good. Good. You're everywhere. Roy Barker 55:03 All right, we all go out everywhere. Go visit Josh and see what he's got to offer. Thanks so much for your time. We certainly do appreciate it. Terry 55:10 Thank you, john. Yeah, it's been fun. Roy Barker 55:12 That's gonna do it. I don't know that episode. You bet. that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Of course. I'm Roy. Terry 55:18 I'm Terry. Roy Barker 55:19 You can find us at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media platforms as well. video of this interview will go up when the episode goes live. We're on all the major podcast platforms as well Google, iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify. If we're not a one that you listened to. please reach out we'd be glad to add you. So until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your family. 55:50 Yeah www.feedingfatty.com
The Six Dimensions of Wellness and Achieving Your Full Potential With Terry and Roy The six dimensions of health and wellness are physical, intellectual, emotional, social, spiritual, and vocational. These dimensions are also interrelated. If you are having trouble at work this can lead to deficiency in other areas. If we are off on our physical shortfalls it can have an effect on our emotional dimensions. We need to work hard to balance all of these and every day. Not easy. About Terry and Roy After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits. And implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism), losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it’s not just counting calories and cutting out sweets. www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below The Six Dimensions of Wellness and Achieving Your Full Potential Sat, 5/22 5:43PM • 20:30 SUMMARY KEYWORDS wellness, physical, meditation, couple, people, podcast, social, crossword puzzle, nice, find, occupational, pencil, dimensions, learning, week, good, encompassing, long, talk, cocktail napkin SPEAKERS Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:03 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm Roy, Terry 00:07 I'm Terry. Roy Barker 00:07 So we are the podcast that we are chronicling our journey through wellness, that encompasses a lot of things, different things from day to day. But, you know, as well as we, you know, we want to talk about things going on in our life as well as have professionals on from time to time. And we've got, we've had a lot of great interviews in the past, and we have got a lot got a lot of great more, a lot more great ones that we have already got taped. And then we've also got, you know, probably a hand while probably a couple fistful of people that are out there waiting to, to get a recording date. So yeah, we're very excited about that. Thanks for our listeners, and to all of our guests that come on, y'all are the ones that really make this great, but sort of day, I think we want to talk a little bit about wellness, it was kind of a, the six dimensions of wellness, it was kind of a long journey about how we got to this subject that I won't go into the whole whole thing. But we were on another podcast I was listening to something came up about, about loneliness, and how detrimental to our health it can be. And so, you know, we started looking at these six dimensions of, you know, their interdependence, I guess is another way to look at it to to Achieve Wellness. Terry 01:31 Yeah. And let's describe, let's define what wellness is. It's, it's the practice of building a holistic sense of fulfillment, in your health, you know, in all aspects of your life. So, Roy Barker 01:49 yeah, and this particular model, I mean, we want to be sure and give credit where credit is due. Because while we would love to say that, you know, we penciled this out last night on a cocktail napkin, that's not the way that this was a developed by Dr. Bill Hitler, he is a co founder of the national wellness Institute. And, you know, they developed this in it's been around, I think, it looks like since about the mid 70s. So it's nothing new. But it is kind of interesting, you know, when we think about the different components, and let me just the other thing, I think we need to say too, is that dependent, you know, there wasn't eight, a model that had eight dimensions in it, I think you found one that had seven, Terry 02:30 like 6789, there was one that had nine, nine, Roy Barker 02:34 so yeah, and this, I guess we decided to go with this, since this is a reputable institution with, you know, some, I guess, people that do research and things like that, yeah, and they've been around for quite some time. So, but anyway, we'll just talk about these six are physical, intellectual, emotional, social, spiritual, and vocational, or occupational, depending on where you read it. A couple others were that were left off, were the only eight model were financial and environmental. So we may just hit on those that they're not going to be as big since we don't have a lot of research on those. But, you know, I think it's important because really, you have to be hitting on all of these and you know, somebody that like me, that probably eats emotionally, you know, if I get kind of out of whack on any of these, you know, it probably would make me want to eat or be bored enough to eat. So I think that we have to think about our wellness, not just in our diet, or our weight, or our exercise, but you know, this all all six of these dimensions. Terry 03:45 Yeah, and I mean, everything works together, so you can balance yourself and, and just be more complete right now. And I think would be remiss, also, I wanted to make sure that we mentioned that global wellness day is June 12 2021. So I'm excited about that. We're gonna have to celebrate, we're gonna have to go out and eat a big meal. Like cake, and wine. No, I'm kidding. Roy Barker 04:13 Yeah, so let's just start with the occupational that's the one that they've got the top of their list. But basically, what this is just saying is that, you know, we need to have satisfaction and enrichment through our life's work. And, you know, on, on our business podcast, we talked about that quite frequently, especially if you're an entrepreneur is that you really need to find something you like, because you have to put a lot of time and a lot of energy into it. And, you know, there's nothing worse than getting up in the morning and just feeling like you have to take a beating if you you know, go to a place of employment or even if it's your own business, Terry 04:50 so you need to look forward. You need to look forward to everything but especially work if that's, you know, something that you spend a long time you know, Building relationships there, honing your craft all of that you need, you need to find some satisfaction in that. Roy Barker 05:07 Yeah, because we will typically spend, you know, half of our waking hours there. And most of us spend a lot more than that, you know, we're fortunate enough to do a lot of our stuff together. So it's not like, you know, we're being neglectful. So that's a positive. But, you know, you really need to find, if you could find the podcast I'm working on for the businesses this week just happens to be the profit with the purpose. And so that's one thing that he's talking about is not only finding something that you like, but you can also have social impacts as well. And one was, you know, a lawyer that did some housing law that, you know, she would actually take on some cases for free, I think, to, you know, help people that were going through hard times and trying to be evicted. So, you know, there's a lot of things that we can do to earn a living, but yet, we can also have some run off to that social impact. So I think that's very important. Terry 06:07 Yeah. And I guess we'll cover social in a minute. Yeah. But the next one is physical, the physical dimension, yeah, the need for regular physical activity. You know, they physical development encourages learning about diet and nutrition, while discouraging smoking and alcohol and drug use. Yeah. Roy Barker 06:33 And, you know, when we talk, this is physical, all encompassing, but you know, when we talk about exercise that, you know, I'm of the belief that our weight can be controlled, you know, probably 75 80%, through our diet, we don't, the exercise has very little impact on that weight loss, but all the other physical benefits that we get from that the endorphins that it releases, just keeping your joints and everything limber, because I know I said, when I sit in a chair too long, I know, I start getting, you know, very tight, and just harder to, you know, stretch to get up. And part of that just from, you know, not getting ups frequently enough to take a walk. So I really feel like and that's something that, unfortunately, it started raining today. But that's something that, you know, I think we are going to start working on more this week is just yeah, we used to be fairly good about getting out and taking those 15 minute walks. And I think we're going to try really hard to get back into that again. Yeah, Terry 07:34 I've just been finding, finding it. Well, it's just been hard for me to find the motivation to do it. I'm just so tired. And so I don't know, I I don't know where you find that motivation helped me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, really? Roy Barker 07:52 I don't either, I think. Yeah, you know, and it's Jay, you know, we've just had, I think we've had a lot of stressors, the last month or so. And we've been really busy and staying up too late and not doing you know, again, this just gets back to the, you know, some of the other things that we talked to the sleep, you know, it's very important for us, and you know, that makes you tired, where you don't want to, you know, get out and go do that walk. Terry 08:17 So yeah, and if I had I mean, like, this week has been beaten on me as far as sleep just because, you know, I've been waking up early in the morning, and then staying up and just start starting to get lost in my phone. And then next thing I know, it's seven or eight o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, Oh, my God, I need to go to bed. Yeah, you know, and then that just sets the tone for the rest of my day. So I have not been very fruitful. Roy Barker 08:45 Yeah. Well, we can get back into that. I think that's a, that'll be, it'll be good. It'll be good. I think you'll help your sleep as well. Terry 08:53 I think so. Roy Barker 08:54 So the The next one is the emotional. And, you know, this is just talking about the awareness and acceptance of your feelings. And, you know, we, we've touched on that before that, you know, you can't block off bad feelings, and we've got a guest coming up on. I think she's coming up on feeding fatty. We haven't taped her yet. But I've talked to her a little bit. And, you know, we when we had a conversation the other day, that's one thing that she said is that we can't block those feelings or these thoughts from coming in. And so what she just was recommending is that you just acknowledge it, and basically say, Thanks for reminding me brain and because she just said if you don't, it will just be a constant reminder. And just that nagging where if we just accept it, sometimes even set with it for just a minute, then you know, we can deal with that. Terry 09:52 Yeah, and emotions are just so, so tricky. If you don't deal with them, they have a tendency to creep back up and then you're If you stuff them down and stuff them down, and then you don't know what to do with those emotions, or how to deal with them, you know, Roy Barker 10:07 yeah. Yeah, and there's things that we can do. And I don't want to belabor it too long, because, you know, sometimes we can control those. And sometimes we can't. But if, if you're in a bad situation, look for ways to change that to where you can gain that happiness back there. Sometimes there are things we can do. And unfortunately, there are times where we just can't But Terry 10:34 no, and you know, finding, finding your gratitude, just giving yourself grace, and being kind to yourself. That's, those are huge. You know, it just sounds so simple when I say it out loud. But really, you have you have to practice all of that. Roy Barker 10:51 Yeah. And you know, I think we released an episode last week about our meditation journey. And then a couple weeks ago on the Reiki, reiki, I can't. So but you know, I think this meditation, it's been good. And I've been really staying on top of my journaling, and it's not always it's not, you know, for me, the journaling is not bad. I mean, I don't really, you know, my life is pretty good. So I don't have negative a lot of negative stuff to journal. But it's still just good, just rattling the thoughts down and just keeping up with it. So, again, it's a couple of different things that be might suggest that, you know, give it a try. And Terry 11:35 then you don't have to write the best novel, you know, that's sometimes what I do is that when I sit down journal, Oh, my gosh, I got to write a whole novel, and it has to be perfect. Now, you can just do some bullet points and get on with it, you know? Roy Barker 11:47 Yeah. And that's the same thing with the meditation, I think people are like, Oh, I can't, my mind is not still I can't stop. But you know, you don't have to you don't have to be perfect at it. Every time. They're just like myself, there are days I'm better than others. Sometimes my mind is running all over the place. But it lets me realize that my mind is running all over the place to try to take a step back and take those deep breaths. So Terry 12:13 anyway, yeah. So the next so the next one we're going to go to is the spiritual dimension, and it recognizes your search for meaning and purpose. And your existence. You know, that that is hard? That's hard to find, you know, I don't know. Roy Barker 12:33 Yeah. Well, that kind of gets back to our meditation. Yeah, yeah, it's a good time to, to, you know, to your higher power, I don't want to, you know, say, everybody may not believe in, you know, that God is that person, but whoever they feel like, because it doesn't matter, it's whoever you feel like is your higher power, it's a great time, just to take a few minutes to say, thank you, thank you for all these good things that have happened to practice that gratitude. And then Terry 13:03 it opens you up to receiving, you know, more positive vibes. And it just all around. I mean, it does. Like I said, it sounds so simple when you say it out loud, but it really is true, it just, you know, practice what you preach. Roy Barker 13:20 Yeah, and you just got to take the top, make yourself do it, and just sit down. And like I said, Some days are gonna be better than others. But Terry 13:27 in whatever works for you is what works for you. It's, you know, it doesn't have to be a certain way. And if you need, you know, Google if you need to have some low, some way to help help you search in your spiritual, spiritual guidance and all of that. And your spiritual dimension of wellness. Roy Barker 13:52 Yeah, so the next one is social. And this is just talks about contributing to one's environment and community, the interdependence between others and nature. So I think it looks like it's fairly all encompassing. That, you know, we are social beings. And this is kind of what led us to this is, you know, the, in the other podcast, I was listening to this morning, where the guy talked about that, actually being isolated. It can have the same effect on us as smoking a pack of cigarettes a day. And I saw somewhere else, they actually said 15 cigarettes a day, so I guess that's, I don't know, like, almost a whole pack or something. Oh, yeah. So anyway, it is real and we are social beings. And I think we can, you know, it's getting a little easier to do that face to face now. But still, if you're concerned about that, I think, you know, for me, zoom is pretty good because our, that FaceTime whatever because Cuz you still get to see the person, you get to have some social interaction. And I know that you and your ladies group that y'all have been doing the, you know, y'all do a call, yeah, Terry 15:11 y'all did a call party stuff, we do that we try to do that once a week. And sometimes it drags out for a couple of weeks, but we're actually going to go have lunch, we've had a couple of outings now that the masks are down and everybody's vaccinated. So it's, it's nice to be able to have the physical presence, you know, and to hug or bump fist or whatever it is that you choose to do. Is is a nice thing. Also, you know, volunteering, you can do that how, you know, you can do that in a number of ways. But that's that can help with the social aspect. I mean, kill two birds with one stone, you know? Roy Barker 15:57 Yeah. And there's so many people out there that need to eat them need it, Terry 16:01 and you need to give it I mean, it's just makes you feel so good. And, you know, just helping other people No, helps yourself. It's like the, I don't want to like it, liken it to this 12 step program, but it kind of is in that, you know, you just, it just it just, it just helps your well being. Yeah, sorry. I lost it. Roy Barker 16:31 No, I mean, it's good to give in makes you feel good for giving back. But it's also that social stimulation, and when, unfortunately, when we all get older, and you know, we're gonna wish we had that. So anyway. Well, the last one is the intellectual. And it just talks about the recognizing your creative, your stimulating many, many mental activities and how you expand your knowledge. And so we should, that's another thing is we should always be be learning, I think it helps to keep the brain young and there's a while we didn't pull it for for today, there's a lot of research out there that you know, if you do these, even if it's something as simple as doing a crossword puzzle to keep your mind active, you can help ward off, you know, a lot of dementia. For a while, you know, there's some some you can some you can't, but it does give you a fighting chance anyway. Terry 17:31 Yeah, crossword puzzles, Sudoku, learning a new language, you know, learning anything Roy Barker 17:38 learning instrument. We have, Terry 17:41 yes. Oh, Patrick Patrick. Roy Barker 17:45 Not long ago, talking about how the especially older people have been really reaching out trying to learn an instrument. So Terry 17:54 yeah, again, for brain health. I mean, Roy Barker 17:56 it's never too late. And, you know, music always kind of sees you anyway, whenever, you know, whenever you're maybe a little down, play a little music or put the radio on. So that's always a good thing. Good memories. It's Terry 18:10 nice to go down memory lane. Roy Barker 18:12 Yep. All right, well, unless you have anything else, those are pretty much covered the six dimensions, again, they are get back up here. And they are emotional, occupational, physical, social, intellectual, and spiritual. And we have to, you know, have a good balance and try to be in a good place. And all of those things, I just challenge everybody to go over to the national wellness Institute. And there's a lot of literature on it. And there's other literature, you know, just Google it, but go over and take a look at it, and see if it can help you and your wellness. This one happy global wellness day, June 12. Yep. That's right. Terry 18:55 Yay. I'm going into it. I'm like decorate. Okay. Roy Barker 19:04 All right. Well, that's gonna do it for another episode of feeding Fanny. And, again, if there's a topic that's that that's on your mind that you feel like you'd really like us to either talk about or find a guest, please reach out and either by email or social media, let us know. We'd be glad to cover you know, some things that the listeners want to want to hear. Oh, great. That's gonna do it. You can find us of course at www.feedingfatty.com. We are also in all the major podcast platforms, all the major social media networks, and we got a new logo that we didn't even talk about. Got a new logo that should be coming out. I put it up on the podcast cover this week, will probably take me a few days or a little longer to get it put out on all social media but we'll eventually get it changed out so be interested to see what you think Terry? 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Beliefs Drive Behavior, Talk To Your Inner Child To See Why You Feel That Way with Dee Woolridge What are your triggers? Is it an unconscious need to protect ourselves? If we are lacking pleasure, we are going to seek it. This explains when some people eat or drink to excess, do drugs, sex or other ways to fulfil that need for pleasure. The first step to mindset is being mindful. Think self love, take time to love yourself. About Dee Specialist on Resilience, Mindset, and Communication As a result of her speaking, coaching, and writing, deep has helped thousands of people stop the cycle of self-sabotage and realized their significance. They speak up, stand up, and show up as the leader in their own lives. They move beyond stuck to live and work within their genius. Dee Woolridge, a specialist in the effective communication, success mindset, and resilience, is a bestselling author and writer of numerous self-help books, she is the founder of two training and development companies. One that helps young adults on the autism spectrum. Dee is a 30-year U.S. Navy veteran covering three wars she LED at the executive officer level and was a military consultant in Hollywood. She is the 9th of 13 siblings, a breast cancer survivor, and parents of a daughter with autism. Oorah....she's married to a Marine Also, a clinical hypnotherapist, gifted spiritual counselor, and light worker, Dee has an open, friendly demeanor, and conversation is one of the things she does best. She relates well to military audiences, women, shows on spirituality, disabilities (autism), entrepreneurship, Wellness, mental health, emotional intelligence breast cancer, self-help and personal development. www.deewoolridge.com www.sanantoniohypnosis.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Beliefs Drive Behavior, Talk To Your Inner Child To See Why You Feel That Way Sat, 5/22 1:48PM • 1:03:24 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, mindset, body, hypnosis, belief, feeding, people, pleasure, banana split, food, roy, called, sprouts, wheat grass, terry, dee, journey, hungry, feeling, thinking SPEAKERS Terry, Dee, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:15 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. Terry 00:18 I'm Terry. Roy Barker 00:19 So we are the podcast journaling my, I guess chronicling my journey to wellness and you know, as I've aged wellness is become a much bigger importance because I want to age well, I don't want to outlive my wellness. And so what we do is we bring you some episodes based on some things that we're trying. And then we also bring guests professionals in different fields to the show to talk to us about different things that we can do to help ourself and so, Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce our guest today, the Dee Woolridge Terry 00:52 Yes, as a result of her speaking, coaching and writing Dee has helped 1000s of people stop the cycle of self sub sabotage and realize their significance. They speak up, stand up and show up as the leader in their own lives. They move beyond stuck to live and work within their genius. Dee Woolridge, a specialist in effective communication success, mindset and resilience is a best selling author, and writer of numerous self help books. She's the founder of two training and development companies, one that helps young adults on the Autism spec spectrum. Dee is a 30 year US Navy veteran covering three wars, she lead at the executive officer level and was a military consultant in Hollywood. She's the ninth of 13 siblings, a breast cancer survivor and parents of a daughter and parent of a daughter with autism. Oorah. Hi, Dee, welcome to the show. I just wanted to say that my dad was there for Dee 01:56 me, Terry and I, Roy. That's right, the Air Force doesn't really have a call. No. And that call really belongs to the the Marine Corps. That Ron, we just kind of borrowed it from them because we carry them around. Roy Barker 02:14 Yeah, that's what, that's what some movie, they said something, you know, the little rivalry between the Marines and the Navy and said, like, Hey, we y'all are just our transportation. Dee 02:25 And we are Roy Barker 02:28 great, well, thanks so much for taking time to be with us. You know, one thing that we talk about a lot in this journey is mindset. Because, you know, the reality is, is I could go, you know, I'm overweight enough, I think I could probably go qualify for surgery, or have other things done. But my, my hesitation for that has always been that if I don't change my mindset, I will never change my body. And because I know people who have, you know, done the different things and had had failure, because they just continued to eat, or drink consumed calories in some manner that just exceeded you know, what they were expanding. And I know, it's not always just about calories in calories out. But you know, we kind of have to have some kind of an equilibrium there. So it's a pleasure, you know, thanks for taking time to be with us and help us, you know, with this part of the part of that journey. Dee 03:21 For sure, it's an, it's I know, it's important to you, Roy. And, and it's important to me, also. And it's important for that I live, what I teach, so that I can teach it well, right? So mindset is everything. And even with our wellness. Roy Barker 03:43 So what are some things that you what are some challenges that you see that your clients have in trying to get the mindset, right, and some things that you've done to help them? Dee 03:55 Well, there's, I think there's two parts to if we're talking Wait, in particular, one reason is triggers, you know, what our triggers are and then we have this unconscious feed into the trigger. And then the other thing is the unconscious protection of, of our body of our of ourselves. So, for example, if we are feeding ourselves because we are lacking pleasure, because eating is pleasurable. Yes, you know, and if we're lacking pleasure in our lives in some place, then we were always going to seek it out. We're going to figure out how to make ourselves feel good. So that's why people eat an excess or drink in excess because it makes them feel good, because they're filling a hole that that's not being filled somewhere else. Okay? That that pleasures Enter. So other people do it with drugs, they do it with sex. There's different kinds of ways to fill that pleasure. And so that's one thing. And the other thing is, we have an unconscious way of protecting ourselves. And we'll do it like even from stress. So if you and I know this about me, so if I'm, if I'm working on something, and then I get to a place where it's particularly hard, I'll get up, and then I'll go right to the pantry. Roy Barker 05:35 I guess I had an episode like that just the other day, rather. Dee 05:40 And the, what I'm doing is trying to get back to that trying to get rid of that uncomfortable feeling that's in my body. So you know, we, when we're hungry, are our body sends a signal to our mind, we're hungry. So there's a discomfort that's going on. And so we associate that discomfort with beating ourselves feeding ourselves. So we use it in every other thing that we do. Okay, if we're not, if we're in a state of discomfort with, you know, with work, we don't like that feeling. How do I get rid of that feeling? Oh, I'm used to eating. And what eating does is slow down the digestive system, or gives the body something else to do and concentrate on. So we're not concentrating on that hard thing, that stressful 06:35 thing? Okay, Roy Barker 06:37 no, and it's funny. I mean, I was kind of joking. But it just the other day, it wasn't necessarily like, Oh, my gosh, moment of heart or stress, it was just, you know, kind of bumped up something I was thinking about. And I thought, I got out my chair turned around the head of the kitchen, thinking, you know, I'll get me a little something to hate. But that's interesting how that how, you know how you explain that about it, kind of that unconscious thing, because it is in the past while notice, you know, you run in there and get something to eat, and you eat it. And they think, oh, gosh, I shouldn't have done that. You know. And I think the other thing that you talk about too, is that feeling of hunger. One thing, and I verbalize this to Terry, so I can talk it out, but it's separating the feeling of a little hunger twins from the feeling of death. And it's like, Okay, that was just a little hunger thing. It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean that if you don't eat, you may die in the next five minutes. There's no urgency to run in there. Because a lot now, we've been really working hard on the last week to get back on track. And so I feel that little hunger and I go get a glass of water or you know, something else. Dee 07:48 And it passes, you're hungry, you should eat, you know, because our body is doing exactly what it's supposed to do what it was built to do to tell us when to eat that we're hungry. But the other times, we have to ask ourselves, what are we really hungry for? Right? You know, am I Seeking Safety, satisfaction? Pleasure to get rid of that discomfort? So, you know, what are you really hungry for so that is the that's the thing, or am I thirsty? Yeah. Roy Barker 08:19 Well, I'm Dee 08:20 getting that question. And you know, what am I really hungry for? Yeah, am I bored? Do I need excitement here? Roy Barker 08:26 So you know, that's me. And let me rephrase my what I say when I say hunger, I mean, maybe a little twinge in my stomach, not like full blown stomach, ground. But that's the thing is, you know, in the past, it's that, that very first trigger, like it's just kind of that little empty feeling. It's like to go fill that hole. But then the other thing, like you said to is the excitement and one of the funniest things when I first realized that is, you know, Terry was out running around, she called me one day and said, I'm heading back home. Are you about ready for lunch? And I said, Yeah, I am. I'm getting kind of hungry. And so then, in my mind, I'm getting all excited because I'm thinking, Oh, she's gonna go buy chick fil a, and she's gonna get us a chicken sandwich. And then she said, Okay, well, we've got some leftover salmon and expired asparagus in the fridge, right? And I just deflated Terry 09:18 and I heard it over the phone. I could see it, you know, Roy Barker 09:21 and luckily, I kind of had some self realization there. But I'm like, wow, I was putting way too much emphasis on this takeout lunch to make, you know, excite me or make me happier, be something different from the day. It's strange. Dee 09:37 Because that's the pleasure in it. Eating is pleasurable, you know, food is, is delicious. That's why they put that you can make food delicious, right? So there's a difference between feeding hunger and satiating the hunger. So you can eat and then you just go that just wasn't good. Like you're But you're not satisfied, right? And that that makes you eat more, because you're trying to satisfy whatever pleasure it is that you're looking for. Yeah. So making healthy delicious food is the best deal. That's, that's the best and it's Roy Barker 10:21 no fault to Terry's but just for me dressing, Terry 10:24 was it really dangling a carrot? Roy Barker 10:26 I No, no, no, I didn't mean making healthy delicious food. It's just, it's hard for me to seize on some vegetables or something. Something that is healthy. Goodness knows she tries very hard to jazz stuff up and hide it in this and turn it around and make it that but sometimes I can just always tell it's a it's a vegetable that one Terry 10:51 can't do? Well, how do we find out? Which pleasure we're trying to go after? I mean, how do we find that out? Dee 11:02 You ask yourself and so that that's part of the the mindset thing is, is first is being mindful? Are you guys familiar with you know, with being mindful? is just being in the moment right? Not in the past? Not in the future? Just a moment? Yes. And observing What's going on? Okay. So and then you can do that with with your body? You know, with the body scans, this is from head to toe, what do I feel in my head, and my throat and my my chest and my stomach? And you can when you're mindful you know your body You know, when you when you're used to doing that body scan? If you do that every day, you know your body then you know when you're hungry. You know when you when it's when is boredom or you're seeking pleasure or happiness or or something else besides food? Because you're so in tune with your body. Yeah, so just starting starting there with being mindful. Roy Barker 12:08 The other thing Terry is kind of pushed me into doing a little more is the mindfulness actually, when we eat to help, it seems to have helped me slow down and not eat as much because if I'm sitting here at my desk, eating or if I'm up walking around, or you know, watching the TV or whatever, sometimes it's like you're not really paying attention. It's just the process. Yeah, you're just shoveling it. And then you find out you know, he passed home you pass being not hungry about five minutes ago, but yet you're still here eating. Dee 12:42 Yeah, it's like, that's why by I used to love Doritos. I mean, like, Doritos were great. But I couldn't eat a little bag, I had to have the family size. And then I would just eat mindlessly, right? Just eating them. While I stopped doing that, and just getting a small bag because I wanted to savor them. So was mindful about how long it was taking me to eat one chip, right? Because I wanted to make it last. So I could eat that one bag, that one small bag. At the same time. The same rate, I could eat a big bag, but I'm eating less. Yeah. The other one is just crunching through them. And I'm not paying attention to what I'm putting into my body until I started keeping a log that I just did it for three days. And I was just discussing, I was like, okay, three days. 13:40 Oh my, Dee 13:40 I'm good. I see this. And these are easy things to break. Because one of the things that I'm about mindset is self love. is loving yourself. You can drive past Wendy's and say that's not loving me. That's not loving me. So I started doing that. years ago when I had breast cancer and I went straight raw vegan. So, Roy, you're saying, you know the vegetables? That's all I had was the festivals. I didn't even have fruit because it had too much sugar. And the vegetables were mostly raw. You couldn't cook them pass 130 degrees. Oh, well. So and I did that for three years, three years and three years. Yeah. But that's I did that instead of chemotherapy. So what I was doing was feeding my body was improving my health instead of tearing it down with a chemotherapy drug which kills everything right? what I was doing was building my immune system up and making my body more alkaline. And you do that with raw vegetables, were all organic vegetables interesting. And I lost weight. Because of that not because I was trying to it was because because I was eating clean. Now, I'm, I'm not a raw vegan now. But that lifestyle I was it was all about self love and helping myself feel better. Like, I felt like I was tearing my body down because I didn't love me enough, I would put everything before me and then just throw some stuff in my face, Feed my face, whatever, and go help somebody else I was good at helping other people but not me. And that showed in in my weight it showed in my skin, it showed in my hair. It showed in my quality of sleep, because I wasn't caring for myself. And then it manifested into cancer. After that, and there's some other mindset things going on with that too was relationship with my mother and other things that I was trying to disguise or mask with food. And cancer was the Okay, you can do this or you can die. You know. So I changed my whole life with changing the way I ate and how I thought about food, food was medicine, instead of pleasure eating, you know, the redoes you know, and then just like drive in Platt pass those places. I would say, if I craved it, when I would say to myself, that's not loving me. That's tearing me down. Would I let anybody tear me down? Nope. So I would drive past it. And then I stopped even seeing the chick fil A's. I stopped even seeing the McDonald's and the Wendy's and the places I used to go because my husband said this a Popeye's chicken over there. And I go Really? It goes. I was like, I've been driving past here for three years. I haven't seen it. It's like Yeah, because it wasn't even in my conscious awareness. I would be looking for the whole foods, you know, the sprouts. So those those kind of places where I can get the healthy food for me? Does that make sense? Yeah, it Roy Barker 17:28 was just a, it was the way I was thinking my on my radar. That's what it was on my radar, what were the best places that would serve my body and keep me well. So again, back to the interesting concept about the pleasures about I guess I'm that way as well, when you drive down the road is that you? You see that as that's pleasurable or adventurous. And it's, you know, we're trying to go with this mindset of, we eat food to live and you know, I'd like if you want to tell us more, I'd be glad to, you know, would be interested in hearing your story about the cancer and eating claim because we have been trying, you know, we're not totally vegetable or plant based. But we're trying to move that way. And we've, yeah, we've been this week and you know, we're getting rid of some things but we're trying to move plant based for a lot of things the we've heard the digestive system works 80% of the time, you know, burns 80% of the time trying to digest food and so the other thing we've tried to do is do a little intermittent fasting as well and I tell you what, I can tell the inflammation in my own arm injury is way down because it had gotten so bad, you know, the last four or five weeks and I couldn't even you know, move it across the front my body without it hurting but inflammations down the sleep is better just like this morning. You know, I made up my mind I'm sleeping in till you know whenever I wake up and you know about 536 o'clock, Ma'am, I'm I was up without an alarm and you know, feeling energetic, not just an old drowsy, wake up. So But anyway, if you want to, if you don't mind, you can expand on that. I'm interested to hear about that. Dee 19:15 Sure, um, first of all, I'm not a dietitian, or nutritionist. This is just my journey. Yes, yes. So I was looking for alternative ways to treat cancer. Because I was always, even though I was a vegetarian, vegetarian slash vegan. I was a junk food vegetarian vegan, which means I had Doritos as one of the food groups made from corn, and processed cheese. It's not even real and things like that. So um, so even though I didn't eat meat, I said Ate poorly, which contributed to, to my bad health. And when I was diagnosed with cancer, I had to make some decisions like everybody else does, like what kind of treatment are you going to have? Are you going to have surgeries are you going to do all of these things. So I was looking for alternative ways to, to treat it. And I found this Health Institute called Hippocrates. And I drove down and went to their, their day of orientation, we tasted the food, they wish they showed us the grounds, because you you can live on site, it's like going away. So went away for six weeks. And they have a medical staff on premises, you know, they, they have your diagnosis, and they design a plan for you. But mostly, and you can, for people that are interested in this, you don't have to be sick to do this, you actually want to do this before you're sick. You know? And there's lots of videos if you just go to YouTube and look up Hippocrates. And you can they have many videos on why the food, the food that we that we just go to the store is damaged, basically, you know, and we all know about GMOs and, and all of those kinds of things. So try to eat. So eating vegetables is not just one thing but eating organic, that don't have pesticides, even we even got down to like the type of underwear that I wore, you know, was it cotton? Or was it all synthetic and polyester because it doesn't breathe, your skin needs to breathe. So I feel things when I go to the store and I'm just like this is dysplastic I'm not you know, my my I'm not going to be able to breathe, my skin's not going to be able to get what it needs from that. The mattress that I I bought you know I got rid of the old mattress and now that the matches that I have is a Stearns and foster was what is this just cotton and wool? You know, it doesn't have any of the synthetic stuff on it because everything else has chemicals and things in it. So I was like strict, strict on all of those things still. As far as the food is concerned, it was his juicing. And then it was raw veggies, lots of sprouts, everything that is in its first stages of growth. So sprouted foods, sprouted grain if you're eating bread. So those kinds of things that are healthier for you. Roy Barker 22:46 I just asked her yesterday we bought something and it said sprouted and I asked her what does that mean? So Terry 22:52 thanks for some sprouted lentils. And 22:55 yes, so that Roy Barker 22:56 just means that it's young, younger in the growing cycle. Dee 23:00 That's when it's, it's the most nutritious, okay? Because it is the like you can even get vinegar that has the mother. That means that it's giving life. So you want to get food that's in the giving life stage. Okay? Because if you if you get go to a store and you get broccoli and it's slim, there's no life force in it, it can't give you anything, okay, so you want to get veggies and fruit as close to off the vine or off of out of the ground as you can get them because that's when it's going to be most life giving. So if they're frozen if you're eating frozen vegetable, if they're frozen at the at their ripest or if you can sprout your own mung beans and I did that for a while I grew my own wheat grass. Because I you know, doing the three years I did regress twice a week. I mean, I'm sorry, twice a day. Oh, wow. Okay, now just squeeze in a week. Yeah. You know, you take a bunch of wheat grass, you take this much of wheat grass and you get this much juice. 24:14 Oh my god, Dee 24:14 but that juice the wheatgrass juice and you can look that up. And this is something that you might want to look into Roy, because it's going to cleanse your body. Like all the waste that your body is holding on to that's what makes you sick. And that's what makes you stay fat. Okay, Roy Barker 24:33 I'll check that up. Dee 24:34 It's wheat grass and sunflower seeds, sprouts. You know, there's those that you put on your salad, it's gonna make your salad. Don't put wheat grass on your on your salad but sprouts put them on your salad. wheatgrass the body can't break down is to phosphorus. fibrous, so you want to juice that oak but spring outs, like broccoli sprouts, they have flavor. So if you if you're having a sandwich like zucchini, man, I'm telling you guys come to my house. And it'll be delicious. Okay, because it has to be because otherwise you're gonna want to go eat somewhere else. Yeah. But if you do, you know, a simple wrap, like, you take a Ezekiel bread wrap, because it's it sprout it, and then you spread hummus on it. And then you put a layer of sprouts, and then zucchini. Okay, and then you can put some shredded carrots and put peppers, things like every all of these things that have flavor, and then sprinkle some. I go to Zoe's and get there. Do you guys have always there? It's like a Mediterranean restaurant. Yes. And and I buy their seasoning. Okay, because it's already mixed. It's all instead of me going to my cabinet and getting all this stuff I love there's so I just I put it on everything. And then to some salt and pepper. And then you roll that up and you have this fresh. So good. Sounds great. Yeah, it just happens in there. And then there's, they make. It's, I think the food industry is catching on. Now. They're making more plant based foods. Roy Barker 26:43 Yeah. Dee 26:45 So you know, if you shop but you just have to know where to shop to get them. You know, to get the things that tastes delicious. Roy Barker 26:53 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt your story. If you want us finish, tell us about your journey. I just think I thought it was interesting that we were just talking about the sprouts, sprouts last night because I was like, I don't even know what's good. Yeah. Dee 27:06 It's good. It's good. So basically, that's the story is just, you know, I went to the Health Institute, instead of going to chemotherapy, and I didn't know what I was gonna do. I was like, you know, you don't know what you're gonna do. Everybody's coming to you, hey, do this, read this book, drink that take this shot, go to that place. I mean, everybody was an expert in cancer. You know, everybody is my cousin had cancer. And she did this, you know, so everybody's telling you all of these things. And you don't know which one to do. Everybody's journey is different. So I did go to the oncologist and sign up to have chemo and had an appointment to get my port put in. And I remember sitting there thinking to myself, I cannot do this. I cannot do this, but I went, because that was an option, right. And on the day, I was supposed to start my first I to get my port put in. I found myself on the road drive into Hippocrates. Wow, I don't even know why I got the money to go to Hippocrates because it wasn't $12. Roy Barker 28:17 Right. Dee 28:19 But I went I showed up. And the first part of it was just a detox like that first week. I was just detoxing. My head was hurting all the time. You know, and I had, I had three roommates. And all of us were crappy. You know, if you ever had a headache, and somebody is trying to talk to you, or you hear somebody else talking on the phone, like everything was bothering me, oh my god. So but then everybody was going through this, this detox. And then we just were you know, we're building the body up. And it wasn't just food. There were also different treatments. Asana, I still do sauna. I have a personal sauna. I do a sauna three times a week. It helps with detoxify your body. If you have cellulite. That's toxins in the body. Okay, yeah, I've Roy Barker 29:11 heard that that there's a guy that he actually developed a like a sauna routine because Well number one, it's you know, I've always heard it just sweats the poisons out of your body but he had developed this routine where you know, you go in for so long and then you come out cold shower, hydrate, yeah, go back in but it was a whole process that he developed. Dee 29:34 We had all of that there. Okay, it's a cold plunge. Okay, so you come out of the sauna, and then you go into the cold plunge. And then you go into the it's a saltwater pool. So and they had all of those things there for us. So, coming out of a hot sauna going into a cold plunge pool. It's like needles on your skin. It wasn't something because you're supposed to just play To the pool, oh, yikes. So I would just step in and then want the needles, needles, needles, and I get down in it for a little bit. And then I go to the saltwater pool. So we did that, draining the lymphatic system, getting the lymphatic system going, because that's also how you are releasing toxins from the body. So just jumping on a trampoline. So in the morning, we get up and jump on a trampoline. Or you can go to the you know, the little personal trampoline, or go to the, to the gym, and there was this thing that we stood on and it was Shake, shake. So all of those things are releasing the toxins plus colonics. I know that sounds extreme. But look, I had cancer. Yeah. colonics. And we were doing go to the website and see all the stuff that we were doing because it may sound extreme to the people and I don't want to scare people. Eating was just part of it. How we were treating our body, this vessel that carries our soul. What is the important thing and loving ourselves? Terry 31:16 Well, and How is your health now? That was three years ago? You said? Dee 31:22 That was 2013? Okay. Oh, Terry 31:25 that was a long. Okay. Okay. Dee 31:27 That was 2013 No, I I said I was raw vegan for three. Yeah. Okay, so I, I am, I call myself a flex, vegetarian now because I eat meat sometimes. And I eat meat when I crave it. Yeah, if I, if I'm craving it, that means that it's something from the meat that my body needs. But most of the of the time, you know, like I said, I'll make a wrap. Or I will have a, you know, some kind of I like this brand is it's a frozen brand is called rabbit. I think it's called rabbit food. But it's like, you know, the their bowls, and they have qinhuai and veggies and all kinds of really good stuff in in those. Okay, so, and I eat pizza, cuz I love it. Well, you know, but I, you know, I'm just making sure I know that when I'm eating it. I'm just like I call I know what I'm eating. But most of the time is, you know, I try to eat clean. Roy Barker 32:34 Now, that's our approach is that, you know, it's not, if we wanted meat or fish or whatever, it's definitely okay to go have it, it's just, if we're not craving it, trying to stay off of it, just, you know, like you said, Our body is a vessel and we need, we need to take care of it. And because what we see is so many people you get once you get into older, become older, then all of a sudden, you know, you start having things happen because of the way you live when you're younger, and then you can't recover from that. And so, you know, my hope is to be in a little bit better place. But anyway, I think the the body as a vessel because it has the eating, but then we have to think about our sleep, our mindset, you know, we need to have that positive outlook gratitude. And you can, you know, I'd be glad for you to speak to that portion of it as well. Dee 33:28 Yeah, mindset is everything. I mean, my I do this thing with my clients where it is I help them with their life categories. Okay, so life categories are things like work home, education, leisure time, how you, how you spending your life, and I have them, choose the categories and then rank them. So I show them an example of mine. And spirituality is ranked number one in mind. And my spirituality doesn't mean church, because I haven't been to church and I don't know how long because I that's not how I do spirituality. My spirituality is all encompassing, it is my personal connection to what I call source. And when and how I commune with source is through meditation. I believe that prayer is talking to source or talking to God and meditation is listening for the answer. So that is when I'm quiet. You know, I may go to source with a request or a need or even gratitude, and then it's my turn to listen for the answer. is an in that quiet is when I get the things that I need. I used to go I don't know, I don't know, I don't know and spending 30 years in the military, that wasn't an acceptable answer. I don't know. So I descripted from my vocabulary I was I rarely said, I don't know. It was, I will go find out. Let me check on that. Yeah, that's what I substituted. I don't know what so saying it, I don't know was it was like a failure to me. So I had to get over that I had to get over is over, saying that there was something wrong with me not knowing. And then going into meditation, saying, I don't know what to do. Help me. I don't know what's next. I don't know the answer, and just being still and quiet. And then I would just, I would hear it, or I would dream it, or I'd be in the shower, and I would just be downloaded with all of this information. When you were I got a lot of my inspiration. Like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna do that. Let me Hurry up and get out of here. So I can go and do it. Yeah. But it was always the answer to what I was needing. But I had to be in that space to listen to it. And I did that all through my cancer journey. That's when I was the closest to God is through that journey? Because that's when I just surrendered and said, I don't know what to do. I don't know what the answer is. You know, I'm, I'm just surrendered into this. And I'm just going to go where I'm led to go. So that is my mindset with this is there is a spiritual answer to every problem. And that comes from Dr. Wayne Dyer. Wayne Dyer, Dwayne Dyer, Wayne Dyer. Wayne Dyer. So he says, There's that and he actually wrote a book called there's a spiritual answer to every problem. And that's what I believe. So my mindset is, how do I get help for whatever this problem is, that I can't solve? By what I already know. Then I go outside of me for that resource, not to my husband, or my uncle Jimmy, who uncle Jimmy is like, he's like, he's the vegan max. Man. I'm telling you, he's anything you want to know about veganism. My uncle. We had a whole conversation yesterday, he was telling me something else to eat. But anyways. So in the spiritual practice, stems everything else that I do in life. It's my coaching. It's, it's the work with my clients. It's the speaking as the workshop is the books that I wrote, they all come from that stillness, that moment, those moments when I've just been quiet. So I'm divinely directed on everything that I do. So that gives me this positive feeling that feeds into everything. And all that stuff that used to bring me down that I used to care about, I don't anymore the things, you know, that I used to care about what other people thought about me or my family, and how things looked. You talk about optics, especially about being a naval officer, everything was how things looked. Right. How you present yourself, and I used to tell my husband before we went places, okay, we're going in with my people. Don't talk about your toenails. Okay, so my husband is a marine. And so, we had these two, two sets of friends and he was enlisted Marine, and I was a naval officer. So to to set two different sets of types of people. So I felt most comfortable with my husband's people. But my work was these people from the Navy, the Naval Academy and Admiral disan. Captain this in general, that, you know, so and I was a public affairs officer. So I did a lot of work with, with the higher echelon in in the Navy. So when we went to these affairs, I would tell my husband, okay, we're not with the grunts. Gonna have to do this because this is how it looks. And this is my community. The community is small and everybody talks. If I want You get promoted, then you need to be polished when we go to these things. So my husband goes on staying home. Terry 40:09 Oh, man, I don't blame him for that at Roy Barker 40:11 all. It's interesting, though. Dee 40:14 Yeah. Oh, no, I'm Roy Barker 40:14 sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, go ahead. No, I'm just gonna say it's interesting because I have another business show, and I just had a conversation with the guy. And we were covering these kind of the same things like the recruiting, you know, we were talking about knowledge on paper versus I want somebody that is self reliant enough or self Terry 40:39 confident? Roy Barker 40:40 Well, I guess mindfulness of themself or in their moment that it's like, they don't have to have every answer. You have to know when to go seek the answer, and or how to go seek the answer, not necessarily having all the answers. And then the other thing about the facade is, you know, a lot of businesses, you know, there's a great book, and I wish I could she's an upcoming guest on the business show, but she talks about that most businesses have a facade, you know, you look at it, and you think, well run this is this, but once you pull the curtain back, there's total disorganization, and everything behind that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I just think it's, it's a parallel to our personal life. I mean, we've got to get our personal life squared away. And what's important to us and I like that spiritual side, because I'm the same way my, my connection right now, you know, is going for a walk, I can take a 15 minute walk, and it's like, cleansed fresh ideas coming in. And but you know, when you're sitting here, on the computer, or right in the midst of it's hard to, it's hard to gain that clarity sometimes. Dee 41:52 Until you get up and walk away. Yeah. Yeah, and release the mind, you're releasing this, the subconscious mind. When the subconscious mind is engaged, it's going to, it's in charge, basically, because it's feeding you all the things that you believe. And then when you get up and go for a walk, you disengage from that subconscious mind and you're conscious. That's why mindfulness is so important. You're not on autopilot anymore, which is the subconscious. It's, this is how we do this. This is our regular routine. This is what we believe in, and how we do it. When you're conscious, you can change it. Roy Barker 42:35 Okay. And Terry 42:36 so, I was gonna, I'm sorry, I was gonna ask so how, how much time do we spend subconsciously thinking versus consciously thinking like throughout the day or week are? Dee 42:51 Your subconscious mind is 24 747, that's 24 seven that's always on 24 seven. So like, when you go to sleep, you're not conscious. You're not dead, but your conscious mind is engaged. But your subconscious mind is Yeah, yeah. You know, so it's always going on it's always it's, it's a tape this plane in the background even now. Roy Barker 43:18 So how does, how does hypnosis tie into this? Because I guess it it kind of reaches out to what's in the the unconscious mind to pull that forward? Is that a correct way to explain that? Well, Dee 43:37 somebody use my hands for that. There's these four, four pieces on that decides our behavior. Okay? So are five pieces, there's events that go on in our lives from zero to 10 years old when we're babies to about 10 years old. When information is just coming in. And then it gets stored in the subconscious mind like a file like file cabinets. And some of that information changes. If we can disprove it, like Santa Claus. Hopefully no children listening. Oh, sorry, guys. Yeah. There's no Santa, Santa Easter Bunny Tooth Fairy, all those things that we are taught or shown when we're children. We're excited about them when we're when we're kids. And then something comes along for us to disprove those things. So they're not stored anymore. They're stored as a memory, but then we still have the truth with them. Then there's other things like if you for example, if you believe in God, if you believe in God than that, and and that is your rock solid belief and you and it's there until unless some Then comes along to disprove it, it is your belief. Right? Right. So we have trillions of these beliefs. Because they've, we've been conditioned with them as kids. As Don Miguel Ruiz says, he's the author of the Four Agreements. He says, we've been domesticated, to believe these things. Like this color is blue, that's red, this is yellow, we've agreed that these are the things our beliefs, so. And then along with those benign beliefs, like the colors, we have events that happen in our life, say, for example, you burned yourself on the stove. And so now the belief is fire is hot. Fire is dangerous, it's an event. And you remember it, because it was a traumatic event or something profound that happens. So that is the event that causes the belief. Events, or, or repetition and conditioning causes the belief. Why is that important? Because I beliefs make us feel the beliefs make us emotional. And that emotion is what drives the behavior. Okay. So for example, if, when it comes to our health, if as children, we were conditioned, that sugar is bad, sugar is bad, sugar is bad, we were never given sugar. So our belief is, sugar is bad. The feeling is when you get something that has a lot of sugar in it, you will just go you're feeling oh my goodness, this is just so bad for me as you're feeling. So you You're, you're really pointing in about whatever that is, or sugars dangerous. So you have fear around it. So what you do is when somebody serves you ice cream is you push it away. That's the behavior. So if fork and the opposite is if someone always if you did something great. And you were rewarded with cake. Yeah, your belief is, yeah, when I do something great. I'm reward, this is a reward to have something sweet. And that makes you feel good about yourself. And then a splendid Dairy Queen. Roy Barker 47:35 Exactly, exactly. Dee 47:37 So you're getting the pleasure from that eating things is pleasurable, and it makes me feel like a winner. It is my reward. interest. So the behavior is I aced this thing at work. Now I'm going to Dairy Queen, that's the behavior, right? So the subconscious mind all this beliefs, drives the behavior. And everything that we do. It's all coming from the belief. So how. So if you want to change a behavior, you need to figure out what the belief is that drives this drive in that feeling. So many times when we talked earlier about where we're feeding something that is not hunger, we could be feeding an emptiness, an empty feeling that that that you associated with pleasure, I need pleasure. I feel empty right now. So how do I get that pleasure? I remember that eating gives me pleasure, because it makes me feel like a reward, like I'm rewarded. So I want that reward feeling right now. Interesting. So I'm going to go do that. So all of that little stuff is all tied together. And when you recognize that you can change it, you can change that belief, like eating doesn't have to be associated with a reward. What else can you do? What can you replace it? It's good to have that is it's good to have the feeling of being rewarded or the feeling of pleasure, or feeling of happiness. But what can we replace the eating? Yeah, to still get that feeling of happiness? Well, and so you can change that belief. Or you can change that belief, the belief to I'm amazing anyways, the belief is I don't have to be, you know, I don't have to be amazing with a banana split. I'm amazing with a sticker, or whatever that is. But so just if you change the belief, you can change the behavior. Roy Barker 49:54 Yeah, that's easy. Talk that through. I think maybe you know, when you're down are not feeling good. That's another reason I guess you seek out that Banana Split is because it's that trigger of the memory of Oh, that was a happy time or that was a good time. So if I had me some ice cream, I'm gonna feel feel that way. Yeah. Interesting. Dee 50:14 What are you really happy for? Right? I mean, what do you really hungry for it? You're hungry for an Attaboy you're hungry for acceptance. You're hungry for acknowledgement, right? Roy Barker 50:30 Wow. That's pretty insightful. Yes. That's good. Terry 50:36 Yeah. Roy Barker 50:38 Yeah. And then it gets back to being mindful of taking the time to know what that feeling is and why, you know, and then you can kind of sort this out of why we're doing that. Yeah. Dee 50:50 And were you asked about hypnosis on how hypnosis works with that, or was it uteri? So knowing this process, these things, hypnosis, what I do is I regress people back to the initializing event. So that first event where they begin where they stored, or created that belief, Roy Barker 51:13 okay, Dee 51:15 so if there's something traumatic right now, we're talking about something we're talking about pleasurable, it's like, you know, but even then, we would go back to that event where you were given the ice cream every time you did something and give you an ice cream. So we would go back to that first event. You were you were three years old, and you peed in the potty. So and then you get something every time you pee in the potty. So you would say that in hypnosis, I peed in the potty, then we would we I would talk to you. And I would say things right at that time, and I would just go give yourself a high five. What do you want to do? I want to go get ice cream. And I would we would make some corrections right there. And I would say Roy instead of ice cream, because adult Roy finds this as a problem. What do you want to do three year old Roy to to change that instead of what do you really want? What you really want is approval from your parents. So they can put on potty music for you what I that's what I used to do for my daughter. We used to play the music it was some song that says party dance party party because she was being conditioned to dance after okay doing party. So we could change that they're in hypnosis. And the reason why it works so well in hypnosis is because it's an extreme form of focus and, and relaxation. And there's no interference from this thing called the critical factor. The critical factor is the thing that analyzes and discerns everything okay, it's part of the conscious mind. Interesting. So that is not activated when we're in in hypnosis. So it's nothing blocking you from taking in this new information and making it your new belief. That's why hypnosis is so effective. Roy Barker 53:12 Right? Okay, no, that's cool. I you know, I've never really thought about it that way but you know, it makes sense and goodness my problems are multiplied times three because I had like both my both my grant one set of grandparents they had the Dairy Queen up by them so it was always that was the celebration I had another grandpa that they had a local drugstore that was you know, going to the soda fountain and getting a banana split and then my dad he had a place out by his office so it's like you know, it my world has seen now that I'm thinking about it my world revolved around ice cream No wonder I love ice cream Yeah. Dee 53:50 Was that a reward? Or those rewards for something you did? Well it Roy Barker 53:55 rewards are just like Sunday Yeah Dad or you know just like whenever I was a little kid and go to work with dad, it might be like three o'clock. Let's go take a break you know, so we go down there you know at my grandparents maybe mowing the yard or doing some chores it's like Hey, you got that done? Let's go you know so i think it was a combination of a way to take a break and socialization but also you know, definitely that reward in you know, growing up the way I did it was like you know you had a bad day well let's go get something to eat that'll take our you know, my grandma she cooked cakes and stuff like well here's this piece of cake or you know the other you celebrate you know, did something good Yay. Let's go Oh, you don't feel good. Oh, you need to eat you're feeling great. Let's go eat You know, it seemed like everything was everything was a trigger. Dee 54:42 And that's how that's how most families are. It's centered around food. Terry 54:47 Yeah, everything is Roy Barker 54:48 and then that socialization part two, because you know, the pandemic has kind of been a little different for us, but you know, we miss going out with like our daughters and kids and going out and You know, meeting somewhere and just the socialization or going with friends. But, you know, there's other things that we can do. And that's kind of one thing we've talked about in the past a little bit, was that that reconditioning of you can socialize without having to, you know, eat, eat things that aren't the healthiest for you. You can have a glass of water or a lettuce wrapper, you know, there's ways to make adjustments, I guess, is the thing. Yeah. Dee 55:31 Sounds now. Terry 55:34 Anything sounds good right now? Roy Barker 55:36 Well, I know we're way long be and I appreciate your time. Is there anything else that you want to enlighten us with before we wrap this up? Dee 55:46 Well, I do want to talk about self esteem. Yes. All of this certainly self esteem and how you feel about your self esteem is how you feel about yourself. And it's everything, okay? Because you will treat yourself like your best friend. If you love yourself, okay. And for your listeners that might need some help in that there I have a free workshop is self esteem is a self esteem workshop. It's It's Sunday, it's a it's not a work, stop. It's a five day challenge. Okay, raising your self esteem. Okay. So, how do you get there? I have to send you the link. Yeah, Roy Barker 56:26 no, no, that's because the link is pretty long. Okay. Now we will post all of your stuff in, in the show notes as well. But now self esteem, let's let's Can you just expand on that just a little bit? Because, you know, it's it's a thing we feel bad about ourselves. And I think, you know, we talked about this in the business into LOD is, we are most of the time, we're the hardest on ourselves. If I have if I have 10 things on my to do list today, and I get seven done. I'm like, I missed three. 56:59 Thank you. Roy Barker 57:01 I should have you know, I could have done this. I could have done a banana split for you. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Instead of just half one flipping that script and saying Holy smoke, I got seven done 70%. If I could hit 70% in the major leagues, I'd be a gazillionaire. So I mean, there's something to that. And the that positive stuff that we run in our mind, you know, we've talked about that again, but we get to choose whether we run negative or whether we run positive. And so, you know, just like me, I don't think about it a lot. But you know, you think out of shape and not looking the way I want to or I can think of I'm making efforts to get where I want to be, you know, I can take that positive spin on it. So I'm sure I'm sure that's all interrelated, correct. Dee 57:50 It is, it's all of it. I'm loving every part of you. Even the parts that aren't as attractive to yourself as you like. But it's, it's where you are right now. And many of us think I can't love myself until I know, fill in the blank, whatever that is. self esteem is loving yourself right now as is. Right now as is. That's why people sell houses and cars, and they could still they can sell things as is because somebody still wants them. Right? Yeah. So why should we discard ourselves? As is? Roy Barker 58:33 No, you're right, in the journey, you know, we need to enjoy the journey. Because I think the other part is we have this hollow goal that you know, when I get skinnier whenever I get the new car, the new house, we have those things that's gonna make me happy. Well, when you get there, it's like, okay, not really. Yeah, Dee 58:51 wherever you are there, wherever you go. There you are. Exactly. Terry 58:55 Yeah. Dee 58:56 So I think Oh, there you are. So if you're not happy at the big size, you're not going to be happy at the small size either. You just might like what you see the reflection in the mirror, but she's still that self love is everything Roy Barker 59:09 right? And, again, this is affects so many things about ourselves, not only our weight, the way we interact with our loved ones in our work life. I mean, it just ripples through every every part of our life. Dee 59:27 It does, yep. So and if you want a mindset, if you want to work on your mindset, I have a mindset membership called mind shift membership, and it gives you daily things to chew on. Okay? It gives you meditations, visualizations, there's hypnosis, there's daily inspiration, motivation information, there's free courses, and you can get there from deewoolridge.com. Okay, so if you're if you're looking for mindset if you don't know how to change your mindset, and you don't really want to do a challenge or a course, this is an everyday thing is 365 days. Oh, wow, you get information, it comes straight to your email right now. Yeah. So just Yeah, well, there we go check Roy Barker 1:00:20 that out. And we'll we'll say, we'll be sure and put the links in the show notes as well. Well, thank you so much for taking time to be with us. It's been a lot of great information. And I know me and Terry have benefited and hopefully, we'll have some audience members that will as well. But yeah, I mean, be happy. Love yourself, take care of yourself, and where wherever your journey is going. Enjoy it as you go. Terry 1:00:44 And if you don't know how to do it, get a hold of date. Roy Barker 1:00:46 Yeah. One more quick thing not to be too morbid, but the, you know, there, there's just been a lot going on lately about, we never know when we're going to take our last breath. And I think that's even more of a reason to be thankful and have that gratitude is that you just never know when you or your loved one may be taken away. And so, yes, kind of put a little more emphasis on that just being able to tell somebody Hey, I love you. You know, you're awesome to me, as Terry is and yeah, we just, you know, I think we need to I don't think people say that enough. And then there's just been some, you know, some people that have passed this last week at very young ages. That just makes you think that you know, we're always living on borrowed time. So make the best of it. Amen. Yeah. Dee 1:01:41 Second that, Roy Barker 1:01:42 yeah. All right. Well, thanks a lot. I tell people, how can they reach out and get a hold of you for more information? DeeWoolridge.com is my website and all of this stuff that I was talking about? is on that website. If you want to know more about hypnosis, you can go to San Antonio hypnosis.com. And that's my website for if you want it, you know want a session or you want a consultation, San Antoni hypnosis.com for everything else. DeeWoolridge.com, okay. And that's Dee spelled out d e e. Okay, great. We'll put like I said, we'll include all that. But just somebody driving down the road wants to pull over and look you up. We will make sure they get to the right website. Dee 1:02:31 Yeah. All right. tastic. Roy Barker 1:02:33 Yeah. Well, thanks so much. Again, appreciate it again. We you can find us at Of course, www dot feeding fatty.com. We're on all the major social media platforms, as well as all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google Spotify, we're not a one that you listened to please reach out. So that's gonna do it for me. Terry 1:02:54 D Thanks so much. We appreciate it. You really shed a lot of light. You explained it in ways that we hadn't had it explained before. Appreciate it. Dee 1:03:03 It was my pleasure to drive here. Terry 1:03:06 Okay, that does it for me. Sorry. You were wrapping up. www.deewoolridge.com www.sanantoniohynosis.com www.feedingfatty.com
We Have Found Meditation As A Great Start and End To Our Day with Roy and Terry Meditation has been an interesting journey. We have started meditating most days for 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes at night. The morning session is great to think about what you have to be grateful for and start the day out grounded. The evening session is great for being grateful for the day and clearing the mind in order to sleep better. It's not always easy, but worth trying. About Terry and Roy After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits and implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism) losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it’s not just counting calories and cutting out sweets. Listen to more great episodes of the Feeding Fatty podcast here www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below We Have Found Meditation As A Great Start and End To Our Day... Sat, 5/15 7:29PM • 13:22 SUMMARY KEYWORDS meditation, deep breaths, breathing, talk, breathe, breath, reiki, mind, work, feel, concentrate, started, journal, roy, professional, quiet, reframes, gratitude, mantra, internet SPEAKERS Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:15 Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy, Terry. So we are the podcast of course we're chronicling our journey into wellness. And that includes many things, you know, trying to clean up our eating habits, better exercise, better mental space, just just a little bit of everything. And, you know, as we spoke last time, we are having some internet difficulties that we will apologize first, for that if the video is a little bit jumpy. We are working on getting that fixed. And, you know, we have actually had to push out some of our guest interviews until we get a little bit more stable internet. So hopefully we'll get some cable buried around here sooner rather than later and be back to it. But we're also trying to beef up these Thursday, shorter posts kind of about what's going on with us. And today, I think we will talk about meditation just a little bit. Yeah, Terry 01:11 we have been incorporating meditation daily, you know, at least twice a day, in the morning, first thing in the morning, and then in the evening, and all the different aspects that go along with it, you know, keeping everything quiet, everything and every dog quiet. And playing music that helps helps us focus and gratitude and journaling and all the things that go along with it. Roy Barker 01:42 Yeah, it's been a it's been a different I mean, I guess I've just always been on the run fast paced. And so it's kind of been different, it's a good thing, I think it's, you know, it has a very calming effect, we actually like the incense, we have the, the Asian meditator, it's, I think this is a Reiki track, but it's you know, it's got the, the Asian feel to it. It's just awesome. I mean, we try to do 10 minutes in the morning, 10 at night. And, you know, some days are better than than others, I'm not gonna lie to you, I wish, I wish I was better at it. But, you know, some days the mind is just running and scrambled. And, you know, you just have to kind of deal with it and do the best you can, I think the other thing, you know, I try to follow up with journaling, either a little bit before a little bit after just in case things, you know, come because, you know, every now and then you just kind of have a feeling or some words, maybe it's just, you know, reinforcement of words that you need to hear, you know, we talked about that a little bit last week, and the one about the Reiki, that, you know, the like in that when not strength wisdom patients came, but you know, I've in meditation, other words kind of seem to come up to the top that feels like I really need to focus on that for that day. Terry 03:06 Yeah, and I didn't, you know, I've just kind of stayed away from it. It's kind of like the in the Reiki and the energy and all of that meditation all I've just kind of stayed away from it, because I didn't know how to do it, I want to do I want to be a professional as soon as I start doing something. So I, you know, I looked, I looked into meditating, and I did a couple of sets of self guided meditation, you know, Google Apps or sites? And no, it was everybody has a different what, what works for them different? Yeah. You know, just practicing gratitude saying, a Mont repeating a mantra. And then, you know, reflecting on the day and the week and I, once I started getting into the habit, you know, just trying to try and, you know, doing the mantra and then being quiet. Yeah, for the rest of the time. That that helps me, but I kind of feel like we need to do it more than 10 minutes. Yeah. Roy Barker 04:15 I need to expand that out. Yeah. And, you know, I just, I guess it like I said, Well, first off, we're not we are not doctors, and we're not professionals that really anything. But, you know, we are just on a journey to you know, I don't know if he can say find ourselves or find our better self and, you know, trying to get our mind right about different things and, and we feel like that the, that healthier aspect of our, you know, our eating and exercise will kind of follow in that as well trying to, you know, round it all up. But anyway, you know, what I what I do is I just start with like three deep breaths and just you know, and I'm, I'm a Christian, so speak to God or talk to God and I That's something that everybody, you know, if ever, if you have a higher power, then that's a good time to talk to it. If not, it's not necessarily you can focus on your breathing, there's a lot of ways to do it. So, you know, don't feel like it has to be associated with religion. But it is a good time if you if you do have that conviction, but anyway, you can, you can go on the internet and find a lot of information. But I usually just start with three deep breaths and just, you know, ask for an open mind to be receptive, to give me strength, you know, for either for the day, or, you know, if there's things I know I need to work on, that are top of mind, you know, sometimes it's patience, empathy, those kinds of things, you know, I just really ask, and it's funny, because when we started this, I did, you know, the picture of the people sitting cross legged with their, you know, hands like that. didn't really start that, and I can't I don't sit cross legged, I couldn't do that anyway, but I have started doing my hands that way, because I feel like it's an opening, it's like in a receiving position, to receive the message to receive that energy that you get from it. So it's interesting, but, you know, again, everybody has to find their own way and do what really works for them. But, you know, I had tried meditation years ago. And, you know, back then the, I think I was using some kind of an app, but it was basically just talking about, you know, just concentrate on your breathing, try to clear your mind of everything that you can't totally do that stuff always creeps by, but you just have to reset and say, you know, take those really deep breaths and let it go all the way down, and then breathe out and just kind of focus on that. Terry 06:49 And blowing it all out, too. That's a huge part of breathing out. Some people they use some people just don't think about it that that specifically as far as breathing goes, but you know, breathing in through your nose, and then blowing it all the way out through your mouth, all the way. I mean, everything, every last bit of it until you take another breath, that that's part of the cause. She's She's young that I can't say, when we talked to joy and Yachty when they were on about Eastern medicine, that, that I think is really important as far as Roy Barker 07:30 meditating. And yeah, yeah, and that's something that you know, I've picked up from yoga before is that how important breathing is to a lot of things to you know, our temperament. And our physical health. I mean, when we, when you start feeling yourself getting agitated, if you'll just take that deep breath, sometimes you can kind of Ward it off. And, you know, make yourself have time to think, you know, we were, this is a little off topic, but we're talking about something somewhere the other day, it was like, you know, don't, don't react, but respond, which is it kind of resonated with me, because sometimes now, if you take that deep breath, you can put up a delineation line between that initial reaction versus response, where you can kind of gather yourself and think about it. So it's, uh, you know, it's something to think about. It's a good practice, you know, when you're in a stressful situation, I Terry 08:25 think, I think that that makes the whole difference between responding and reacting. Yeah, I mean, for me, and and, you know, something else that I do that I didn't realize was sort of meditation? I don't know if it's, I don't know, breathing wise, is sigh I sigh Yeah, a lot. But it doesn't necessarily mean anything, it just means that, to me, it just means I'm kind of clearing out all the clutter from my head, so I can concentrate on the work at hand, you know? Roy Barker 08:53 Yeah, not do that. Like, you know, if I'm in the middle of a difficult spreadsheet or something, you know, tough formula, or trying to figure it out. You know, I noticed that with me, I'll be like, you know, just let it out. And but part of my problem is holding that in to that, you know, I tend timber, yeah, I tend to hold my breath when I get not necessarily in a, you know, not stress, it doesn't have to just be stress. I mean, it could just be something where you're thinking and concentrating really hard. So, just remembering to take those breaths along the way I used to, I've said this before, but I used to have a sign over my desk that said, to breathe, and you know, people would kind of snicker and say, Well, you know, you have to tell yourself to breathe. And it's like, well, no, not not in certain situations. And I've been called out on this from you know, when I used to do some martial arts, my Sensei, he'd walked by and you know, he didn't pat me on the shoulder and say, it's okay to take a breath. And so that's when I first became kind of self realization about that and then the other time was a one of those painting parties, you know, where the ladies up at the front painting and you're kind of following her. And, you know, she walked by and said, It's alright, you can breathe while you do this because I was like, so intent on getting it and I was all you know, just holding my breath. Terry 10:15 Did you turn into Michelangelo? After she told you to breathe? I want to send say, Roy Barker 10:24 yeah, another cool air cool. Terry 10:27 We are looking for a sensor. Roy Barker 10:30 But yeah, anyway, I think it's a, it's been interesting, you know, and we've we've been doing it a couple weeks now. So we're still new at it. But I think we're growing, I feel like we're growing it's come become more second nature. And it's just something we start our day out with. And it's something we and that's what I was gonna say is the end of the day. I like the beginning of the day, because it starts out on the wrap step. But I like the end of the day too, because it's a chance to just clear your mind of all the stuff that has happened during the day and basically just prepare yourself for sleep. And sometimes, you know, for me anyway, if I just go straight from doing something to go try to lay down, everything is still swirling in my head still thinking about this and that. Whereas if I take that 10 minutes to do this meditation, it really puts me in a much more relaxed space to go lay down. Terry 11:26 Well, another thing that we do, I think we've already mentioned this, but we journal also and we've been journaling afterward. You know, I've been I've read a couple of articles that say to journal beforehand, so you can meditate on it. And then I and then do it afterwards, too. I don't know. Roy Barker 11:45 Yeah, I think a little bit time before that. We do the meditation and I journal some I don't necessarily look at it. But it kind of reframes me of some stuff that I really want to give a lot deeper thought to. Okay, anyway. All right. Well, unless you've got anything else that was it, just want to talk a little bit about meditation, Terry 12:06 just that we try to do at the same time every day and in the evenings as well and just kind of trying to keep a schedule schedule about it, you know. Roy Barker 12:16 Alright, well, thanks a lot for listening. Of course, you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major social media networks, go over to the Facebook group, we'd love to start some discussions over there. Also on Instagram, and this will go up the video of this will go up on YouTube once we release the episode so he can find a scene where you can always reach out like said we will be glad to answer any questions that we possibly can Terry 12:45 return now Well, fine. Roy Barker 12:46 Yeah. And we're not professional. So you know, sometimes we have to just refer people out and say, you know, you need to seek a medical doctor or dietitian or you know, get some advice from a professional for sure. But we can answer any simple questions for you. So anyway, until next time, that's gonna do it for Roy. Terry 13:05 I'm Terry. Goodbye. www.feedingfatty.com
The How to and Benefits of Plant-Based Nutrition with Olivier Mankondo Olivier tells his story of going plant-based in his eating. He was able to lose almost 80 pounds while reversing his diabetes and high blood pressure. In addition to plant-based Olivier is also intermittent fasting. He eats his last meal at approximately 6p to 7p, then his next meal is 12p or noon the following day. He also goes into detail about eating raw versus cooked vegetables. Sharing is caring Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and LinkedIn About Olivier Olivier Mankondo is a speaker, author and weight loss and wellness coach with a passion for shelf-help books. He empowers people with the knowledge of a plant-based nutrition so hat they can make good dietary and lifestyle choices. Throughout his talks, he has been able to inspire and change a lot of people. Olver can speak four different languages, including French. He is the author of the book “The Plant-Based Nutrition: How It’s Going To Change Your Life” www.oliviermankondo.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below The How To and Benefits of Plant Based Nutrition with Olivie... Sat, 5/15 7:28PM • 32:54 SUMMARY KEYWORDS eat, milk, protein, olivier, plant, processed food, drink, people, lose, fruit, vegetables, osteoporosis, meat, enzymes, based, digest, food, body, suffering, lots SPEAKERS Olivier, Terry, Roy Barker Roy Barker 00:00 Of course, this is, uh, this podcast Chronicles our journey, my journey into wellness, losing some weight, also, you know, just wanting to eat better, not just not feeling bad, you know, eating too much being more active, just, you know, we're trying to put the whole package together. So we can, I can enter later life and a little bit better health and feeling better than what I do now. So what, you know, we bring things, different things that we're doing from time to time, but we also bring different guests with different perspectives. And we're very happy today to have Olivier Mankonda. He is a speaker, an author, weight loss coach, wellness coach with a passion for self help books. He empowers people with the knowledge of plant-based nutrition, so that they can make good dietary and lifestyle choices. Through his talks. He's been able to inspire and change a lot of people. And Olivier, welcome to the show. And he is the author of the plant-based nutrition, how's it going to change your life, and it's a very impressive book. So thanks for taking time out of your day to be with us, Olivier. Olivier 01:07 Thanks very much for having me. Yeah. And Roy Barker 01:10 so you know, we talked a couple of weeks ago, and you know, me and Terry, have been kicking around this, you know, more of that plant based trying not maybe not getting rid of meat totally, but trying to move away from eating so much. Because our, you know, especially where we live here in Texas barbecue and beef, it's really big. But, you know, it can weigh me down for two or three days after I eat it, it seems like and so we actually have given this plant based nutrition, with the intermittent fasting a little bit of a world this week. So we're excited to have you on and, you know, be able to ask you some questions that have come up for us. So kind of tell us before we get started, though, how did you find yourself here? What What made you explore plant based and kind of jump into that? with both feet? Olivier 02:04 Yeah, it's such it's happened a little bit. I didn't plan to do it. Okay. It was just one day. It was a sudden, Wednesday, I was watching YouTube video. And there was a ninja Yogi, his name is Sadhguru. And he was talking about the meat. We're saying that meat was not designed for the human mechanism. And it was the message was so powerful that I decided that I will go ahead and try it. And it was like I said, it was a Wednesday and I spoke to my wife and I told her that I will stop eating meat. And on Thursday, I went to work. And when I came back and asked you to cook me my last meal of meat, and it's been five years of not starch meat anymore. Wow. So I've stopped all the dairy product or most of the processed food. And it's been like that. So it was not like I was expecting something. It's just because I watched that program and I made my decision. Roy Barker 03:06 Okay, yeah. And you have for those that haven't seen the book yet, we number one wants you to go out, pick up a copy. It's a great book. But on the cover, you have a before and after photos of yourself, which is really incredible. If you don't mind sharing, I don't want to get too personal. But about how much weight did you lose between these two photos? Olivier 03:28 Yeah, so on that photo, my original weight was 100 kilo, which is 220 pounds. Okay, and I lost something like 77 pounds. So now my weight is 143 pounds. Roy Barker 03:47 Oh, Holy smokes. Yeah. Olivier 03:49 So and I lose that in just nine months. Okay, okay. Roy Barker 03:54 Yeah. So So let's take us through this just a little bit. Because the other twist I think, is, if I'm not wrong, that you have is that it's not just plant based, but it's also this intermittent fasting that you do on top of that. So can you kind of walk us through what your day looks like? I'm sorry, Terry. I didn't mean to interrupt. You Terry 04:12 know, I was gonna say he said it was nine months and we we talked about it or it's like he had a baby. And birthday. Olivier 04:21 Yeah. So what I do, basically, is that when I wake up in the morning, I don't eat nothing. So I only eats twice, twice a day. So in a week, I've got 14 meals and in the at 12 eat just fruit. And at 7pm I eat either a fruit or a salad, or I eat cooked food. So I've got a 14 meals out of those 14 meals. 11 are row so it's fruit salad, and only three cooked meals. And why do that? It's because When you eat raw, your body doesn't have to produce some type of enzymes, because all these raw food ivali got these enzymes, and your body doesn't have to produce that. And basically, it's really soft on your body. That's why I do that. And why do I eat, I do intermittent fasting, because our bodies spend 80% of its energy, trying to digest food. And when you keep grazing, during the day, your body will not have the chance to heal and cleanse. So it's really, really important to not grace not to eat all the time, because your body can only cleanse and heal when it's not digesting food. It's like for example, if you've got your car, you take it to the garage to EBIT fix, you can't drive it at the same time. And your body, that's how the body works. You can only cleanse and heal when it's not digesting food. And that's why I only eat twice a day. And in between, I have no sack snack or things like that just water. Or sometimes I can ever make juice. That's all I do. Terry 06:17 Well, and that's what I was wondering the other day I was, you know, what the difference between the raw versus the cooked plant based food, you know, what, which one was better for you, and the explanation that you just provided? Just Can we just reiterate. So the raw helps with the digestion is just not as hard of a digest Gen process. Olivier 06:43 Yeah, so basically what happens is, when you eat raw food, raw food, I've already got a lot of enzymes, okay, but when you eat them, your body will not have to produce those enzymes. And it's very easy for the body to digest raw food, okay, but when you cook those food, there's a lot of enzyme that your body will have to produce lots of enzymes, and a lot of nutrients as well are destroyed during the cooking stage. Right. That's why it's always better to eat raw food. But I don't want to completely stop with the roof. Sorry, the cook food. That's why I only eat fried cooked food during the week. Okay, all the rest is raw. Okay. Yeah, Roy Barker 07:29 yeah, that's interesting, because I've heard that over time, especially with vegetables is that when we cook them, we actually cook a lot of the goodness out of them as well. So that's another good thing about eating the raw. So the other thing that we you know, in our preliminary talk we talked about was milk. And it's funny, because I did a little research and was just, you know, and there's a lot of research on both sides. I know that but the piece that I was reading was a scientist, actually, that was saying, We are one of the only mammals that drinks milk after our infancy, I guess, you know, after we get weaned off of food, that back in the olden days, that, you know, we people quit drinking milk, but one reason that they they went to it is because it's high caloric. And it was easy to get. And it's basically like if you were hurt or something you had, you know, goat's milk or whatever available to you. But they said that that was a definite shift in our body mechanics, you know, from, I guess, during this evolution process that really, if you drink milk at our age, it should make you sick. Olivier 08:43 Yeah. So what's really happened is that, when you look as well, you will see that human beings is the only species in the entire creation to drink milk from another species, you will never ever see that you will never see for example, cats drinking dogs milk for goats drinking cow's milk, because every milk is specific to his own species. So for example, if you look at the rabbit milk, it contains 10 times more proteins than the human milk. And why is that? It's because when the baby rapid is born is so small, that they need to double it size within the first week, if they want to sustain life. If you look at the seals, milkweed content 40% fat, because the baby seal need to build up fat very quickly because it's very cold in the North Pole. Okay, you look at the human milk, it contain lots of lactalbumin because we need to produce amino acid. And you look at the cow's milk, it contains lots of casein. So you can see that every milk is specific to his own species. And when you drink cow's milk, because the Wonder cow is born is in weight, something like five stone or 30 kilos. And after three months, you need to triple that weight. That's why in the cosmos, you've got to loads and loads of calcium. And when we people will drink cow's milk, our body will analyze and see that now we've got too much calcium. And when we go to relate, we're going to lose that excess calcium to the expense of our own calcium. And in the cosmic as well, you got loads of phosphorus. And again, our body will have to neutralize that phosphorus. And to do so it's going to leech off the calcium from our bones and our muscles. And that's why you will see a lot of people suffer from osteoporosis, which is a condition which make your bone brittle, and you start suffering from the inflammation of the joints. And you will see that in the countries where the milk intake is very high, you will see a high incidence of osteoporosis as well. Interesting. And you will see as well that human beings are the only species as well will drink milk when they're adults, you will never see any grown animal drinking milk. And there's an enzyme which is called lactase, which enables people to digest the milk. And when we reach the age between two and four years old, that enzyme says to be produced, which is suggestive that we need to stop drinking milk. And that's why you will see that 70% of the world population is lactose intolerant. Wow, we'll see that. Yeah. And when you drink cow's milk, it's going to give you a lot of diseases such as anemia, ear infection, eczema, asthma, osteoporosis, cancer, obesity, appendicitis, you got lots of all of these diseases. And there's another thing as well is that when we drink cow's milk, boys and girls will go through puberty at a very early age. And when you go through puberty at a very early age, your body will start producing estrogen in excess, and an increase of estrogen is linked to cancer. And that's why you will see in the future, later on in life, these girls will start suffering from breast cancer, uterus cancer, ovarian cancer, and for boys, it's going to be prostate cancer, cancer, you can see that the dairy products are really not designed for the human mechanism. Roy Barker 12:04 So what so what about in, I guess in the world and in our world, like, and we're you know, we're based in America, you're based in the UK? Is that correct? Olivier 12:14 Yes. Yeah. So Roy Barker 12:15 now, what about across the world? Do are Americans the ones that drink a lot of milk? Or is there a lot of animal milk consumed across the world? Olivier 12:26 Yeah, we did, I would imagine that it's mostly in America, Canada, and in the your European countries where the milk intake is very high. Okay, for example, if you go in Africa, you don't really drink that much. And you can see that the incidence of osteoporosis is less in this Africa, in Asia and stuff like that. So it's mostly in European countries, and in America and Canada, where you got really that problem. Roy Barker 12:56 So one of our challenges, I think, is, you know, of course, we, we are heavily, you know, protein focused is kind of where we're coming from. And so, you know, moving into plant based, I know that, you know, there's soy and beans and a lot of other stuff that you can gain protein, but kind of talk, talk through that process. Because, you know, as we did this, this week, we mixed in some beans with our salad. And, you know, we're trying to be conscious about getting, because it's not highly concentrated like beef, you know, trying to work it in wherever we could. So tell us a little bit about how do you work in enough protein in your diet? And then of course, some of those sources, where you get that from? Olivier 13:40 Yeah, for example, the example that I like to give to people is that when you look, for example, at the elephant, is the biggest land animal on earth is not deficient in protein. But where does he get this protein from? Just from the green study, it's okay, you look at the gorila, we should 99% of the same DNA. But what do go really eat, they eat fruit, vegetables and tender roots, they do not eat meat. And you can see that the gorilla is very powerful. So if you want to get your protein, what you need to do, you just need to eat lots of legumes like beans, lentils, chickpeas, peas, all this stuff, spinach, and you will your requirement of protein will be met. You don't have to worry about all these things. You just have to eat all this stuff, all those legumes and stuff, and you will not have no problem at all. It's like me, I've been on eating this way for five years. And I'm not deficient in protein. It's just gotten in the environment that we live in. They've stressed a lot of butter, protein, everyone needs to need a lot of meat and stuff like that, but that's really not what we should be doing. We should Getting those protein from plants. Roy Barker 15:03 Yeah, and I was looking at because I looked, I was doing a little research on this as well. The other thing that we lose, I think when we when we take protein is the is iron if I'm not correct, but if we eat the spinach and kale, we more than make up for any iron deficiencies that might, you know, we may see across that and it was an interesting article. And I'll just put this out there to see if you've read this guy or if you know about it, but he was talking about one thing about our teeth, that we're not carnivores because it well we weren't designed to be total carnivores because if you look at our teeth structure, we don't have the fangs for you know, ripping flesh and things like the big cats that eat meat do. And and then he also talked about our digestive system. I think that meat eaters have very short digestive systems, where ours is fairly lengthy. And then the opposite side, he was talking about that. We're not totally plant either, because our because of our teeth again, but our digestive systems weren't long enough. So it's, it's some interesting concepts to think about the way that our bodies are designed and the way that we eat today. Not that they are totally all, you know, in line with that, but the Do you even keep up with how many proteins that you may get in a day, do you? No, no, no. Okay. Olivier 16:34 Do any calorie counts? I don't do any protein count. What I do is just I need a balanced diet. Yeah, I try to eat every not attracted. Every day. I need fruit. I eat fruit every single day. Because like I said, At noon, when I eat it's always fruit. Alright, so I eat a variety of fruits. And at night. We'll have for example, a salad with lettuce, cucumber, tomatoes, onions and stuff like that. Or I will cook maybe some potatoes with beans and spinach, or maybe some brown rice with mushrooms, lentils and Tempe, something like that. So I don't keep track of my protein intake because I know that what it will be okay with that. Okay. Roy Barker 17:22 Do you eat? tofu? Yeah. Do you eat? Do you work tofu into your diet as well? at the tip? Yes. Olivier 17:30 Yes, I do have a temper. Yes, definitely. Yeah. Oh, that's a sign that the tofu has got lots of protein as well. The tofu and the Tempe got lots of protein. Yeah. Roy Barker 17:40 Can you explain what the Tim I don't know what TMP is just. Olivier 17:44 It's just it's a little bit like tofu. It's made with soya beans. Okay. Yeah, it's basically the same process that they use. Okay. It's just a texture. It's different, or the taste is a little bit different. But it's done with soybeans. Okay. Roy Barker 18:01 I guess I should ask Terry, do I know what that is? Have we had? I don't know, maybe. Terry 18:07 There's so many different types. You know, I was gonna ask you so. So when you started your journey, your plant based journey? What was what were the reasonings? I mean, I know that you you wanted to lose some weight. Did you have some certain health issues that you wanted to address? And then see maybe if you could deal with those instead of taking medication deal with those with the plants? What was behind that? Olivier 18:40 Yeah, like I said, I didn't know anything about the plant based nutrition. It's just when I watched that program, I and I decided that I will go ahead with that. But in the meantime, I had lots of health problem. I was suffering from high blood pressure. I had a massive headache every day or every other day. And the ad was so bad that that was me all the time. Dangerous chest pain, back pain, abscesses, john pain. So all this was really bad. And what happened is that when I changed my way of eating, after a week, I lost 11 pounds, just in one week. And this was very surprising for me. And four months in into the change, I went to my doctor to have my blood pressure tested. And he was surprised that I had I don't I didn't have any blood pressure problem anymore. And normally, my doctor told me that I will be on my medication for the rest of my life. But at that time when he told me that I said, No, I'm not going to take any medication. And he asked me, What are we going to do? And I said, I will try to do some sport, and I joined a karate club because I was tired. too, I thought that maybe it's going to solve the problem. But there was no changes. It's only when I stopped eating all the meat products and dairy products of this process food that my blood pressure went down. And basically all this was without any medication. And for the past five years, I've not been sick a single day, not even the flu. Nothing. So my my hair is. 20:29 Wow, okay. Terry 20:31 That's, that is awesome. Yeah. Olivier 20:33 When you look, for example, my brother as well, my brother has been able to follow that path as well. He's been able to lose. I think it's 73 pounds, that is being able to lose. And it was a he had a blood pressure as well, he was pre diabetic. And he had a psoriasis, which is a skin condition. And the doctor told him that he will have that for the rest of his life. And he had the psoriasis for eight years. But when I introduced him to this plant based nutrition, all these problems were gone, as well with no medication, no medication at all. And my wife as well, she has lost 99 pounds, just on this. Roy Barker 21:17 Well, you know, talking about the inflammation, I've got a, I've got a little shoulder issue that I tore some ligaments or tendons in years ago. And when I eat wrong, or don't want to say wrong, when I don't eat correctly, I can feel it restricts my movement, and I can feel the inflammation. But after doing the plant base for a couple days, I was telling Terry that the my range of motion was almost back with this thing. It's been you know, the last two or three weeks, it's been killing me and it kind of restrictive in what I can do. But it was amazing how different I felt just after a couple days of you know, eating the plant based and staying. And we really, I think we still had a little protein in our diets. And we you know, we had a refrigerator full of meat that we were trying to you know, kind of work through as we start into this but it was amazing how I felt and then and I don't know which you know, which is which but the other thing was this fasting in the morning breakfast used to be my biggest meal the one I used to look get for look forward to getting up and having. But I haven't really missed it. One thing I've done is I drink coffee, and I put a little ghee in my coffee to thicken it up. So you know, it's a, it's a good fat, but it also it's heavy enough that I really haven't been hungry in the morning. So that's been an interesting transition. And of course, I think the other great thing for myself is just at seven o'clock being done because we were used to snacking late at night nine or 10 o'clock and then go into bed with the full stomach and you know, you know how that goes. But anyway, so let's talk about the other thing I want to talk about for a minute is the volume so because in in IE any people can tend to even abuse good and healthy things. So let's just talk about you know, what kind of volume should we expect to to eat? Olivier 23:22 Yeah, so what you have to do is that like I said, when you on the plant based nutrition, you don't have to restrict your, the way you eat. So what I do is I eat as soon as I feel full stop after all you have to do and it's difficult to binge on foods, it's very difficult and because the fruit I've got loads of fibers and it's full of water you get full very quickly so it's difficult really to binge on fruit or plant based it's very difficult and so you will tend to feel old really quickly and as soon as you feel full you stop eating and that's all you have to do you don't have to look at small portions and not just it when you feel full you stop that's all you have to do. Roy Barker 24:12 So what about mixing it up because I I don't like fruits or vegetables well i like i like fruits I you know I like to eat an apple but I mean an orange or maybe a banana but vegetables not so much so I guess is it important to to be experimental to bring new fruits and vegetables into our mix so that we don't get burned out from just the you know, feeling like we just eat a banana every meal or eat an apple every meal. Olivier 24:42 Yeah, but you have to do is you have to mixed all the fruit. So you need to eat really a very approved. And yeah, that's what you have to do. And you have to incorporate that slowly because if you Stop eating lots of fruit at at one go because you're not used to it, you can have some detrimental consequences. Not in a bad way, but your body will try to detoxify quickly. And this really I had to work again, abscesses and stuff like that. Okay, yeah. But if you want to avoid that what to do is that you need to incorporate that slowly. And in the meantime, you decrease your intake of meat, dairy products, all this processed food, and at that time, you're not going to suffer from all these detoxifying symptoms. Roy Barker 25:54 Okay. Okay, great. Well, is there any other, you know, we're just getting close to wrapping up, I just want Is there any other points about plant based that you want to get out there, or, you know, some of the other great side effects that you've had from it. Olivier 26:14 That's all the side effect that I had. But in the process for this plant base as well. What I would like to add is that a lot of people, when they go on these plant based nutrition, they tend to replace that with unhealthy, vegan processed food, which is really bad as well. You can add that as a treat, but it doesn't have to be your meal that you will have to eat a lot of time because when you look at the processed food, the food that has been transformed and resemble to nothing in nature, they're essentially the manmade food. And when you look, you will see that 51% of what we eat as a rest is processed food 42%, the animal product and only 7% of fruits and vegetables. And in indoor 7%. Unfortunately, the majority, it's the potatoes to make french fries. So we eat very, very little of fresh produce, right? And when you look at those processed food, they are full of additive, calorie flavoring preservative, which are chemical substances not recognized by the body, and they create havoc. Okay. And when you look as well, you will see that in this process food, they've put us what is called aspartame, aspartame is very toxic, and it's a nerve poison, and you find Hospital in more than 10,000 products only in the supermarket. Wow. You'll find that in train gum, in drinks in solder. Ice cream, breakfast cereal in lunch product. That's why I always say to people that if they go on this plant based nutrition, yeah, they need to try it all code and avoid the processed food because the processed foods are not even vegan. Okay, Terry 28:07 yeah, just because it says vegan don't automatically assume that it's going to be healthy for you. I was looking. We like cheese. So I was looking at you know, I've been seeing a bunch of information about vegan cheeses and all of that. I mean, is there a healthy? Well, I guess it would all be processed and Roy Barker 28:26 processed. Yeah. Olivier 28:28 Yes. So for example, the even the vegan cheese their process. So for example, if I have to look this month, I mean, predated the third last month. For example, if I have to count the time that I've had the vegan cheese, it's only one slice that I bought for the whole month. Because they are still processed food, right? Yeah. Yeah, Roy Barker 28:53 I was thinking the other thing was about these vegan sausage patties. You know, anything, like you said, if they have to transform it into something that is not recognizable, probably a good sign that if you eat it, you need to eat it in limited quantities. And it's best just to go over to the vegetable while and pull the fresh fruit and vegetables run off the the stand there and just, you know, try to find a way to eat them without incorporating these because like, goodness, I don't know what Yeah, I don't know what it would take to turn a turn something into a vegetable sausage Patty, but probably probably not. Not good. Good. All right. Well, Olivier, we appreciate you. We're excited. We're excited to try this. I feel like that. You know what little we've done, has made us has made me feel better. I don't want speak for Terry, but we felt better. And it's just a matter of getting these things out of our diet and then figuring out you know, how we can incorporate the fresh fruits and vegetables. So we're looking forward to We're excited. And hopefully in a couple months, we'll reach out and have you back on and we can be your next success story. Olivier 30:08 Yeah, yeah, we'll be afraid. Very happy to do that. Yeah. Terry 30:12 Olivier, thank you so much. We really appreciate all of your insight and your story, sharing your story as explanation of all of the all of the plant based nutrition. Roy Barker 30:27 So if you don't mind, tell everybody, of course, how can they pick up a copy of your book, the plant based nutrition? How's it going to change your life? And then also, you provide coaching? So if somebody wants to reach out to you for some coaching information, how can they get ahold of you? 30:44 Yeah, if they want to get a hold of me, they can go on my website is oliviermankonda.com, that's oliviermankonda.com. And we'll be able, first of all, they can see I've got an eight step, weight loss and wellness program, that they can go on my website, and they will see that. And with that weight loss program, it's not only a weight loss program, but it's packed with lots of powerful insight that they can, if they put that in practice, they will be able to have optimal F. So it's not a diet, but it's a lifestyle change that I can expect from that. And if they want, they can read my book, they can go on Amazon. So the book is on sale on Amazon, they can have the book over there. And they can reach me as well on the if they want. They can go on YouTube, I've got a YouTube channel, where I put a lot of videos where I speak about all this stuff, where they can get all this knowledge where I share all this knowledge and you're Terry 31:48 available as a keynote speaker as well. Yeah, yeah, yes. Olivier 31:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm doing I've been keynote speakers as well. It's just because we are locked down all the the place where I was supposed to speak, or it's been canceled. Yeah, but I speak as well. I'm a speaker so people can reach out as well. If they want me to speak in their event. Yeah. 32:11 Okay. That's great. Awesome. We all reach out. I know you can and we will put the spelling of your name and website up on our show notes as well when people can reach out and find you. So thanks again. Like I said, we're looking forward to it. Y'all reach out to Olivier and let him give you a hand if you're thinking about the plant-based nutrition. So that's going to do it for another episode of Feeding Fatty. Of course, I am Roy stary. And you can find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major social media platforms as well as a live video of this episode will go up on YouTube once the episode goes live. So until next time, y'all Take care of yourself. www.oliviermankondo.com www.feedingfatty.com
Terry and Roy's May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey As we progress through this journey we still run into hurdles. We have been eating a plant-based diet avoiding dairy and watching our meat intake. We are also intermittent fasting. We typically eat lunch around 12p-1p then dinner around 6ish. No snacking in between which is hard. As we talking about in the last episode we have gone to Reiki sessions. Next episode we will talk about meditation and what it has meant to us. Sharing is caring Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, LinkedIn About Terry and Roy After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits and implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism) losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it’s not just counting calories and cutting out sweets. www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (00:15): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy it's Terry. So we are the podcast of course journey, uh, uh, chronicling chronicling. Yes. Thank you. Chronicling our journey into wellness. Uh, you know, that it's all encompassing, uh, uh, trying to clean up our eating habits, uh, you know, getting in a little bit better exercise routine as well as, you know, get in a good mind mindset and mind space as well. Uh, w last couple episodes we talked about, um, you know, our Reiki sessions and then our meditation. So if you haven't listened to that, you know, we're just giving it a try and see if it's something that works for us. And, uh, we've also, uh, think, you know, we've talked a little bit about our, uh, internet issues that we may be experiencing as well as you know, we're just trying to get back in the habit of doing these more personal recording so we can let them loose on Thursdays. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (01:15): You know, we're still gonna continue to do our professional, uh, interviews that we will air on on Tuesdays. But anyway, just wanted to talk a little bit about where we are. Uh, we've been on, uh, we've been doing the plant-based for maybe three or four weeks, and that's encompassed with, uh, intermittent fasting. You know, we usually eat lunch around noon dinner around six or seven, and then fast until, you know, the next day. And, uh, we'd had really good luck. And then this, um, I guess it was last Thursday or Friday, just, uh, probably stress tension, lot of stuff. We just kind of went, went, went crazy couple of days there, but, uh, you know, beginning yesterday we got back on track and then doing good today so far. So, you know, I think it's important to say that, you know, we're trying all these new and different things to, you know, see what we can find that works for us, but, you know, we still struggle and we've got, you know, I've got 50 years of bad habits and, uh, Terry (02:21): I'm glad that you said I've got them. We've got, I've got 50 years, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (02:26): You know, bad habits, uh, accumulated, you know, thoughts and conditioning and things like that, that, you know, we're still trying to break that, uh, work through. Terry (02:36): Yeah. And it's not to say that that what we're doing is the end all be all because of course we aren't are not the professionals. We're not medical professionals, we're not physicians where we are doing what is working best for us at the time. And, and we just felt like with plant-based eating, um, it would help with so many different issues as far as, you know, medic taking medications and, um, you know, using different spices and herbs and foods to address certain situations with, we felt like that was going to be good, but it's, it, it is not, it's not easy once, you know, you've been a carnivore your whole life and you just kind of drop everything. And I have been having some, um, hamburger cravings, um, and chocolate, I have been wanting chocolate. I am S a sweet, sweet, I have a sweet tooth. So, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (03:36): Yeah. And, and, uh, you know, I don't think we are not on such a strict course that, that those are things that we can't do, you know, with, if we feel like we need some protein, some meat or something like that, then it's perfectly okay to, you know, go do that for me. My personal journey though, is that I can't, you know, if I have a little bit, then I've got to have a lot. So I usually do better with just being restricted from doing, but if I think in my mind that I can do at any time, that usually helps. It's not that I can't, it's just, I choose not to, because of, you know, part of the way, because even chicken beef is a little bit worse, but I just feel like it just weighs me down and just stays with me for, you know, a couple of days, which it does based on the digestive track and everything. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (04:25): But yeah, I mean, I've, I've felt better with the plant-based. It's just, you know, I'm going to tell you that sometimes it's like a insight just it's like the, you lose that fun portion, you know, vegetables is just, they're just not fun. It's not as fun as going to, you know, Buffalo, wild wings and having some wings or hamburger or, you know, go into someplace else, you know? And then when you really start processing that thought, you think that, you know, well, food's not supposed to be fun. It's supposed to help you to live. And, you know, we can still go out and, you know, with friends or fellowship with people and not eat the things that we don't want to. Terry (05:08): Yeah. We don't have to base it around a celebration. I mean, food doesn't have to be for celebration, but I mean, it just, it has been, that's just, that's the facts. Yeah. So, Oh, go ahead. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (05:21): No, no, I was just saying that's part of the, for me, that's part of that hard habit. Terry (05:25): Yeah. Yeah. And, and I have to tell you these LA, you know, the last, I guess week and a half, you know, of me having these, these cravings, um, I, I have in the past been able to just eat a little bit and then be satisfied and be okay. And that that'll quench my craving, but lately not so much. I mean, I want more, I do. And I don't want, I don't want, um, tempt you with my cravings. You know what I mean? I mean, that's kind of a hard place to be. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (06:07): I appreciate that. And that's something that, you know, we talk about between ourselves, because it's, I'm lucky that I have, you know, Terry to support me because it's hard if you don't have somebody that gives that a second thought, you know, bringing stuff into the house or always wanting to go out to eat. So, you know, I appreciate that. And thank you for that. But on the other hand, it's like, Terry (06:29): But we can also work that can also work against us because it's like, Oh yeah, I'll go ahead and try that. We can do that. We can have a little bit of that. Oh, no, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (06:39): No, but I think it's just important, you know, for you to have the, you know, you don't need permission. That's not a good word, but it's the only way I can think of, but you know, it's like you have permission to bring in or do what you need to do for you. So, you know, it's kind of that double-edged sword that I have to be strong and not, you know, just be, if you wanted something like that, that you felt like you really, really needed, then it shouldn't be a temptation. Terry (07:05): No. And I feel like, you know, if I want it bad enough, I'll go get it. And, um, you know, it's not, we don't have that many hiding places here. So the food is the food. It's where it is Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (07:16): Nicely checkout stuff coming through the door, just to see if there's a treatment, Terry (07:19): It's me. You, you help help me unload it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (07:25): But, um, yeah, I think mainly, uh, you know, I think I just wanted, I think we both just wanted to get out there that, you know, we struggle, but we try and, uh, you know, we're, we're trying to string this together. Not only the plant-based, but in the fasting, but then also we're doing this meditation. And, um, Terry (07:46): I don't, I don't, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (07:47): It, it seems like it's helped, I feel much more grounded and centered. Uh, you know, some days are harder than others to, you know, feel like, to take the time to do it and then some others. So it's like your mind is so cluttered that even if you do it, it's not, it doesn't seem very fruitful, but I think it is, I think it's self realization that your mind is cluttered first off, but sometimes you can work through that clutter to say, if you just keep repositioning or keep reinforcing, just breathe and just clear your mind and just think about that breath. Terry (08:22): Um, anyway. Yeah. I mean, and so many different things have been happening, you know, like with everybody, every, everybody has so many different things going on and we're not any different it's, um, you know, internet issue. I wish there wasn't an internet issue of meditation that we could do just fixed. That would be nice. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (08:45): Yeah. And that's, you know, we've had a lot of adage or I feel like I've had a lot of added stress because not only, you know, we we've had to bump and reschedule a couple of weeks of first off, but, uh, you know, then just processing what we do have it's, it's a nightmare, which, you know, lately we've been going to a couple of local restaurants, which it's hard to, you know, be in there and not want to eat all the good stuff. Terry (09:09): That's what I was going to say. That, that right there is our internet meditation. We go there siphon their internet and then we have to eat the kitchen sink cookie. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (09:18): Yeah. So, yeah, Pandora, I mean, Panera, Panera has been kind of our go-to because they do have some, you know, healthy plant-based options. Uh, you know, I'm not going to tell you that this weekend, uh, w we've got kind of a late start on some things. And we went to the Buffalo wild wings, and it was hard not to, you know, eat some of their yummy wings. So, uh, but we did. Yeah. We split. And, um, you know, the thing is we did it, it happened now the, the big, next step is just getting over it and getting back on, because I don't think, you know, if we can eat clean the way we want to 90% of the time, then we're way ahead of the game. And so we, the one I'm working on for me personally, is just not letting you know this, these few days of flub up, wreck me from now forward. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (10:11): You know, if I can get back on and do another three or four weeks and then have a couple of days, I don't think there'd be anything wrong with that. Cause it's, it's, it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I think just trying to make improvements is kind of where we're at and, you know, hoping that we can improve it day over day. But I feel so much better when we were eating, when we're doing the eating, the vegetables and fasting, uh, it's just amazing how different you feel. And then when you go eat and we ate late, you know, so then you come home and like, Terry (10:42): And then the next morning, I mean, it's just like having a huge hangup. It's like, that's what I'm thinking of today. Today's May 1st, May 1st, May 5th Cinco de Mayo. I've been thinking about a margarita all day, but I'm going to power through. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (10:56): Yes, it would be nice. Terry (10:59): Oh my gosh. And then, you know, we'd have to throw in the chips and salsa and Mexican food that goes along with it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (11:06): Yeah. And that's, you know, I will say that is one of our downfalls is, you know, when we get in the cycle of it's just, well, let's just do one more time, you know, but we can always find that one more time. I mean, okay. Terry (11:19): This turns Saturday. Okay. Let's turn Saturday into the weekend and then wait. All right. Well it's Monday and we've already gone through half the day and we're already messed up, so we might as well just carry on and it'll be a week. Yeah. Maybe. I mean, we haven't done that long yet, but yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (11:36): Yeah. All right. Well, anything else before we go? Terry (11:41): No, I'm going to, I need to go meditate on my margarita. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Terry and Roy’s May 2021 Update on Their Wellness Journey (11:45): Okay. You didn't get that out of your mouth. All right. Well, you can find us of course, at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media networks as well. Uh, we do hang out over on Instagram quite a bit. You can also find this recording on our YouTube channel. Once this episode goes live, we're always open for conversation. If somebody, you know, if you have a question, you have a topic you want us to cover. We'd be glad to try to do that. Um, we just need some reinforcement reach out. We'd really like to, uh, you know, build our engagement on our Facebook page or Facebook group, uh, you know, trying to be there to help people. So reach out, we'll see what we can do, but until next time that's going to do it for Roy Speaker 3 (12:33): I'm Terry goodbye. www.feedingfatty.com
Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? with Gregory Ann Cox Gregory Ann Cox the author of Your Genes Do Not Determine the Size of Your Jeans talks with Feeding Fatty about the importance of mindset in our question for health and wellness. She addresses the importance of finding what works for each individual and don't let the values and beliefs of others determine your actions and how you feel about yourself. Sharing is caring Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, LinkedIn About Gregory “Gregory Anne, aka “Greg” believes there is no one way to be healthy, no one diet for everyone, and no way aging should ruin your life. Greg’s focus is delivering the truth to anyone who wants to live a long life in good health. She’d also like to reverse the rates of heart disease and diabetes, which are devastating the lives of too many people needlessly. She is proof that you can have a body you feel good in and still have your wine and foods you love. She was among the first female graduates of The Culinary Institute of America, one of the world’s premier culinary colleges, in Hyde Park, New York. After 25+ years in the hospitality industry, a certificate in nutrition and the launch of a heart healthy restaurant in San Diego, she turned her focus to coaching. She wrote Your Genes Do Not Determine The Size of Your Jeans, to bust the myths that are keeping women fat, frustrated, fatigued, and not able to fully enjoy their second halves. www.rebelliouswellessover50.com ww.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (00:00): So, you know, what we, uh, this podcast is about us chronicling our journey, my journey through, uh, getting healthy, trying to, you know, increase my wellness. Especially as I age, I want to, um, you know, ma don't want to outlive my, my wellness. I want to, um, you know, have a healthy aging process, but also be healthy as I age. So Chronicle our journey, but we also bring on professionals and experts in their field from time to time. And today is no different. We have a great guest with us, uh, Gregory and Cox, and I'm gonna let Terry intro her. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:35): Yes, Greg has been helping women at midlife and beyond age in good health, in a good mood and a body they love, or at least have made peace with for a decade. She does not buy into the conventional wisdom that this is what happens at your age. When we feel like crap, she is the author of, um, your genes do not determine the size of your genes. There's no deprivation and no one way to live and be healthy and enjoy life. There are however certain principles of longevity that we would like, but that we would do well to adapt. So we can beat the odds when it comes to disease and decline. She is a former professional chef and currently also a copywriter for the health and personal development fields. Greg, welcome to the show. Gregory (01:22): Thank you. That's a great introduction. I'll have to get, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (01:27): Uh, uh, we have to laugh and say, we love the title of the book. Of course your genes don't determine the size of your genes. I love that. So, uh, well tell us a little bit, first off, before we get too deep into this kinda, you know, how you found yourself here, writing the book, uh, is kinda talk about your journey for a minute. Gregory (01:47): Well, I don't know how far we want to go back, but when I think it must have started because I was a chubby tween teen, right? Like young teenager. And when my grandmother who was a seamstress used to sew some things for me. And I remember one time we were looking at pattern books in the store, they used to have these big books and you would go and you'd pick out the pattern and then somebody would get it out of a drawer. And she kept like, I guess last time she had sewn for me was like the last I would fit into that normal. And we had to go get the chubby book at one point. And I was just like, horrified because that word chubby meant something to me. She didn't put that on me. I took it to mean something. Yeah. So that started a journey of disordered eating, not eating, you know, all kinds of things throughout all the, till I was 30 something. Gregory (02:38): I, my oddly enough, my career choice was to become a chef. So I was feeding all these people and I could not feed myself and be happy about it. It just, it was bad for many, many years, but, uh, after cooking for 27 years, I woke up one day and I said, I cannot cook another meal. I have to do something different. So I got certified as a coach because although I thought I would go back and finish a psych degree, I didn't live anywhere where there was a school that I could go to. And coaching turned out to be a really great choice for me. And because I had studied nutrition as I started my life coaching business, I started to get people that would say, well, you were kind of healthy and in great shape, what do you do? And I thought, ah, let's do that then. Gregory (03:18): So I transitioned to the health coaching and I, when I was a chef, I worked for a heart surgeon and I got to see heart surgery. He performed heart surgery and he led me in the, or with him to watch this woman have a quadruple bypass. And when he held the heart in his hand and showed me what her lifestyle had done to the heart in case it in fat really made it very, very sluggish. He did this because he wanted us to understand the importance of lifestyle choices on our health. And let me tell you, it had a huge impact. Oh, I bet. So this many years later that stayed with me and I thought I can't just cook healthy food and just help people with, you know, nutrition, advice and weight loss. I really wanted to have a platform to get more people, the opportunity to hear something that might shake up their beliefs, open their mind to another idea that they hadn't been introduced to before, let them know that there were alternatives to the Western medical model. I have no problem with the restaurant medical model, but it's better at disease management and emergency care than it is wellness and prevention care. So I guess that's where I started and how I got here. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (04:29): You know, it's funny, you mentioned the chubby girl because there wasn't, um, it wasn't, it's in an old memories group that I'm a part of and they posted this ad last week that it was actually, there was a chubby girl clothing line. I don't know if his clothing line or pattern line, but that was actually the ad copy. And they were just saying, you know, how, how long would this ad last today? Because they had a picture of a girl who obviously she wasn't that chubby and then down at the bottom and huge, I mean, huge type was chubby girl. Oh my gosh. Gregory (05:06): It was ridiculous. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (05:08): Anyway. So it's funny that you say that because, uh, you know, a lot, when you first said it, I was thinking, Oh, well that was just your grandma relating that to get the bigger patterns. But there was actually something called that as well. Gregory (05:22): Yeah. Oh yeah, no, no, that was, it was the chubby section of the book. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (05:27): Well, you know, I think that's good that, um, you know, it's, it's good knowing our genes. We're not predetermined. We can make changes. I think that's the, uh, you know, something we want to talk about a little bit is there's so many different things out there. It's, it's not just because it worked for your neighbor. Doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. We really have to look through, find out what suits our lifestyle, what we can stick with. That's the main thing you could do a lot of different things. It's can you do it number day, number two and day number. Gregory (05:58): Yeah. Yeah. And that's why I say there's no one way. And to your point about finding what works for us is really important. And whether it's, um, including meat, fasting, eating three meals a day, whatever really suits our physiology is where we have to go. Or as you said, we're not going to stick to it. Day two, three, four, five might be great. We're in a high, we're doing this new thing. And if it's not our, and now this is not to say that when we make changes, sometimes we're very uncomfortable with the change, right. But for the long haul. So when people go on, let's say a keto diet, again, that is a miracle diet for a lot of people, with certain types of diseases, inflammatory diseases, diabetes, but for other people it's too constricted. They can't just eat this thing and not have that thing once in a while, because, you know, if you're on a keto diet and then you eat like a huge smoothie, one morning now, your body's all out of whack. Gregory (06:57): You've had a ton of sugar and, you know, but then people like, but I want to have, you know, so it's just hard either that, or you say, okay, I think you said, we're doing really good. And then I had a, I don't know what you called it, it, wasn't funny to come apart, come apart. If you want to plan for those, that's great too. I'm going to do this six days a week. I used to be, uh, uh, dietary, I don't know idea that you would do, um, no carbs all week or very, very low cards all week for six days. And on Sunday you would eat whatever you wanted. And it, somehow they said that it helped with your weight loss. I don't remember the science behind it. It sounds a little sketchy now. I liked it. I did it because I wanted all those carbs on Sunday. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (07:41): Yeah. And that's, well, I can only speak for me, but that is my downfall. If I'm doing something and can stick with it, um, having that break or taking that day off or that cheat day, or, you know, a lot, whatever people refer to it as it just totally resets me to the bad ways and I I'm off. And so, yeah, I've just found over the years that, um, just much better just being restrictive and not, not allowing that stuff to creep back in. I just can't handle it now. I'm not saying there, you know, there are other people who obviously can, and, and that's great for them, but you know, unfortunately I have a couple m&ms and I've got to have 200 of them. Gregory (08:23): You and my husband should never get to get Terry - Feeding Fatty (08:27): It is hard. I mean, it's like, if, if you do that, you know, for six, if you're restrictive for six days, and then you have one day, it's you just wait, it's like waiting for the it's like today, you know, it's Friday. Oh my gosh. It's Friday the weekends come in. Well, we got a lot of work going on this weekend, but it's Friday. We're excited. So just waiting, you know, something to look forward to, but then you just go overboard. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (08:53): Well, and Terry can handle it. She's better at eating a little bit of something and just being able to walk away from it where, yeah. Not, not me. It's like, if I'm in for a dime, I'm in for a dollar. So, Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:06): And I didn't know, I wasn't always like that. I mean, I used to, yeah. I used to have to give me the whole bag. Now I'm not sharing, get your own bag. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (09:16): Well, and some of this, I guess we can attribute to mindset beliefs. I mean, cause I th I really believe that's important because I've had people ask, you know, over the years, talk about the surgery or doing this or doing that. But my, my I'm not against that. I'm just more to the point of, if I don't change my thinking, it doesn't matter what I do mechanically like that I'm going to end up right back in the same place, because I've seen people like that. It's like, you know, they have the surgery, they do good for a while. And then the next thing you know, they're at the Mexican food place having a big old plate of enchiladas and for margaritas. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, that was just like, you know, 10,000 calories you just consumed there. And so Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:59): Many thousand dollars. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (10:02): So, uh, anyway, I just, I think the mindset in our beliefs and what we can do, I think that's very important to address it, to realize it, to be honest with ourself about it, and then, you know, try to make changes there. Gregory (10:18): Yeah. And you know, it, our beliefs can be tricky. And what is a belief? A belief is a thought. We think that's all, we just keep thinking it because somebody told us something about it. And we said, Oh, that's true for me. Or that's true about the world. The world is flat. That was a belief that we have until we could prove other words otherwise. So when we have beliefs about our body, my body doesn't lose weight. I've tried everything. It doesn't work. Then we're less likely to believe that we can and try something new or we try it. But half-heartedly in the back of our minds. We're like, it's never going to work. It just doesn't work for me. And, and that's one of the most limiting mindset traps, um, is to believe something will not work. And I'm a little bit fresh as a coach sometimes. And what can I have somebody say, well, you don't know me. We all want to be special. Right. My story is different. You don't know my body. I always say, you don't know my process. If you will try my process and do it exactly the way I say, you might get a result. No guaranteed. But are you willing to try? Right. That's it are people willing to try something that they think they've tried, but unless they've tried it with that, chef coached nutritionist, whatever, they haven't tried it. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (11:37): Right. And I think that works for life in general because, you know, there's an old saying that it is this going to work or it isn't it going to work. And the answer is, yes, it's, whatever you believe of that. And so, you know, feeding ourself that positive information that I can do this, I can not eat that. Or, uh, I think that really fits to a lot of things in life. We have to change flip that switch and be positive and always be feeding ourself, the inspirational positive information. And you know, a lot of, here's another great saying that I'm about inspiration. It's like, um, do you, do you really need that every day? I mean, you have to, you know, is it, you get it once it doesn't last forever? And somebody said, yeah, well, it's like taking a bath. I mean, you've got to do it every day. And some days are harder than others. We wake up and feel like, uh, I'm not going to make it today. We've got to flip that switch and say, you know what, it's going to be okay. And I can do this. And if I go wrong, then we got to immediately say, you know what? That was just a one-time thing. I can get back on this and do good at whatever exercise, eating a lot of things in life. I think fall under that. Gregory (12:50): Yeah. And the whole good and bad thing is another trap. You know, I, I was so bad last night, I ate 14 cookies, you know, whatever. Yeah. And then there are good and bad foods. Like a cookie is obviously a bad thing. If we put it in a bad category, it's only it's, it may be detrimental. It may not make us feel good, but food by its very nature is just a thing. It's just food. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (13:15): Exactly. I know that's a good point. Gregory (13:17): I really believe that everything can be included in a healthy way of eating. I just believe that that is the truth. And you were here, you were saying earlier that, um, Terry can, you know, walk away from a bag of something. Well, my husband, I was, I brought out a bunch of ingredients and he said, why, what are, what are these chocolate chips doing on the counter? She's he's always trying to lose weight. I said, well, I feel like making cookies is you can't make cookies. I said, well, I'm going to make cookies. Why? Because you only want an Ollie 200, well, one batch doesn't make 200, but I get your point. I'll give them away. I just felt like having a cookie. Yeah. And I want him to have a cookie too, but I won't leave enough around so that he can, you know, stuff himself. He doesn't sit down, he pulled back. It's like one, two, then there's tea time at four, we have another cookie. It's easy for them to disappear. I understand. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (14:08): Oh, well, that's why we do better with nothing around for me. But you know, she'll buy something and have it in the cabinet. And then, you know, she'll take one bite of it and come back a couple of days later expecting it. That's still going to be there, which I don't know. I'm trying to change her mindset on that one, that you leave it around. It's going to end up being disappeared. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:30): Well, and how hormones you talk about hormones, um, being, uh, you know, something that affects, uh, our, I mean the eating process and, and, um, Y you've talked about it cause I'm not doing it very well. Gregory (14:52): So whenever we mentioned the word hormones, people think about their sex hormones. Yeah. Okay. Important hormones. But there are other hormones in the body and there are certain things that all of the hormones are messengers. So if a hormone is released, let's just say our thyroid is activated by the pituitary gland, by a hormone trigger, a hormone called T S H thyroid stimulating hormone. There are other hormones like insulin. And so anyway, on and on throughout the body, stress creates hormones. Food creates hormone, not creates them, but has them release and move around in the body. And certain foods release, help the body release too much of certain things and not be able to use other things too much insulin, too much blood sugar, then there's too much insulin circulating. And then we get insulin resistance and inflammation. So the, the way to manage your hormones and hormones are also in the case of certain hormones, fat storing hormones, right. Gregory (16:03): And fat releasing hormones. But when we eat a certain way, which is usually too much sugar, too much starch, we get too many of the fat storage hormones. And when we store fat, where does it go in the cells, we get fat, fat cells get sad, or we get up, right. So it's very important to manage your blood sugar. And that's the simplest way to describe it, forget all the names of the hormones. If you eat only enough of the foods that produce enough blood sugar, so that you have energy and vitality, you won't have to worry about having too many hormones cascading around in your body. If you eat, you know, good, healthy protein, lots of the right kinds of vegetables, not just the potatoes and the beets and the corn, but you know, and again, you know, we're all sitting here, nodding and everybody listening is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gregory (16:52): I heard a lot before. Yeah. And it's easy to do. I always tell people have one good carb a day if you're trying to lose weight and that's it like, if it's it breads your thing, have yourself a good old slices or two of toast sandwich, whatever cereal, oatmeal, that kind of thing. But it's easy to add it up if you have it at breakfast and then you have it at lunch and have it at dinner before, you know, it you've really had more carbs than your, especially at dinner, then you're going to burn off. Yeah. Cause we usually our activity usually declines in the evening. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (17:25): Oh, go ahead. I know I was going to say, and is it better to eat the carbs in the morning or in the evening? Probably. Gregory (17:33): So if you are more active in the morning, I would say, eat them in the early part of the day. You know, even if you exercise after lunch or late afternoon, um, you know, there's a, a saying eat breakfast, like a King lunch, like a Prince and dinner, like a, yeah. So I would include the carb ratio of that way. Right. If you're a card person, get them in, get them out, use them up. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (17:57): It gets us to the point of looking at labels because I think, um, once I started looking, I was very surprised at where they hide the carbs at. And there's a lot of things that you wouldn't think, or even just making a different choice, like, uh, the type of bread that you eat. I know there are some that are, you know, 20 carbs, a slice, but I think Terry's found something that's, you know, more like 10 or 12, just little bitty, uh, adjustments like that can really go a long way. Gregory (18:29): Yeah. And what you have with that car. Right. So if we're just eating, like, and I was a kid like wonder bread with some margarine on it, by the slice, after slice, after slice, that's not a good idea. Right. But if you have your bread with some Turkey, eggs, um, maybe tofu, cheese, you know, some kind of protein, it helps slow the absorption of the carbs into your system. So you're not getting like a blood sugar rush. Yeah. It takes more time to digest it. So it takes more time for it to be released into the bloodstream. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (19:03): One thing you mentioned earlier that has gotten a lot of attention lately is inflammation. And, uh, I mean, I know I, I don't, I guess it's a chicken or the egg. Some people are like, yeah, the inflammation comes. Some people like, know what we eat. I mean, I guess it's a combination in reality, but it can be the starting of a lot of things that really go wrong for us in our body. Gregory (19:26): Yeah. So that chicken and the egg thing is, does disease cause inflammation or does inflammation cause disease. And I would have to say that they're leaning in the direction of, we create a system, a situation of inflammation in the body that makes the body more susceptible to the diseases of inflammation. That sounds crazy. But you can't, I don't think we can have inflammation. I mean, if you're sick, if you have a virus or you cut yourself, you're going to get inflammation around the spot of the cut. Right. You've seen the redness, you feel the heat, you get a fever, that's also inflammation. But what we're talking about is systemic internal inflammation where things like the arteries getting narrower, the digestion gets slower. Um, all kinds of processes are not able to function fully. And of course when the system's not working, right, it's going to burn some parts it's going to break down. Yeah. So, um, and stress is a huge creator of inflammation in the body. You wouldn't think that what you're thinking. Cause of course stress is usually what we're thinking about. The thing that we think is causing us the stress. Right? Right. Like the traffic is not inside of us, but the traffic is suddenly making us stressed out and crazy. Um, so that's something to watch too for people it's not just diet. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (20:43): Yeah. And that's where we can, I, you know, my thing is, um, we, we call worrying around here borrowing trouble because you can worry, worry, worry, that thing may not come true. And we kind of had an incident like that, that happened yesterday. You know, I was kinda like stressed out the night before thinking about how I was going to handle this and what's going to happen and yeah. Tossed and turned. And then all of a sudden it didn't materialize, which is like a wasted time, but I'm sure, like you said, that stress the stress and everything it released in my body. Probably not that awesome for that either. Gregory (21:18): Well, and especially not sleeping is another contributor to weight gain or hard to lose increases belly fat. Yeah. So that borrowing trouble is also borrowing from your wellness on a scale. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (21:33): And that's it? That was the actually, if somebody just wrote down was that sleep component. Because with me, we've talked about this a lot, but uh, sleep is a big trigger for a lot of things. Don't want to exercise. Don't feel like it can't move. Uh, also you, I tend to feel like I want to eat more carbs and stuff like that to try to get that quick boost of energy. And you kind of get on that roller coaster of, you know, the ups and the downs of that. Gregory (22:02): Yeah. That's absolutely right. Your brain is craving your brain needs energy. Your brain is one of the biggest energy sucks in the whole body. Right. And so if it's not up to par, if you haven't given it what it needs in the term, in the form of rest, and it hasn't been able to wash itself clean itself out, it's going to go for the quickest energy source, which is sugar. So any carb that turns into sugar, that kind of thing. It's very, very hard for people to manage their cravings when they're tired. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (22:28): And we, and again, that kind of leads into listening to our body because I'll tell you where I got in trouble years ago was, you know, at night eight or nine o'clock, I would start getting tired. And so what I would do is reach for something to eat, have a BA have a unhealthy snack. I'm not going to say bad anymore. We'll have an unhealthy snack, you know, right before bedtime or load up on a lot of things. And it became a cycle of, I mean, I don't mind admitting, you know, there was a point that, you know, nine or 10 o'clock, I would run up to the convenience store and get a bag of chips or this or that, just to try to have that in offer. I still offer Terry every now and then at 10 o'clock at night, I'll say, I'll run up and get you a candy bar if you really want one. But especially when I'm stressing out and he's like, ah, you okay, what you need. But I think that, um, you know, had, uh, have, uh, been smart and just realize what's going on. It's like, my body just needs sleep. I just need to lay down to get that rest instead of, you know, female, he doesn't need to be full. Yeah, exactly. Gregory (23:37): That's true. It's true though. The more empty our belly is before we go to sleep, the better sleep generally speaking. Yeah. And we also don't get those acid indigestion in the middle of the night things. Right. Yeah. And wake up all bloated and yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (23:54): Well, we were talking the other day about, uh, you know, we were eating pretty good and, um, it was launching, she said, I told her, so like, I feel just a little bit of a hunger pain. And what I have to realize is that is not as the sound of our, it's not the feeling of death coming upon me. It's like, he just it's okay. It's natural. You know, you feel a little hungry. You're probably going to survive for another, you know, 30 or 45 minutes till you can eat something else. Gregory (24:21): Yeah. We're so conditioned to eat on schedules, right. Especially people who work in a job that they have like a lunchtime, right. And you eat whether you're hungry or not, but I always, I have it, I had to break definitely was, especially when I don't do intermittent fasting. You guys were talking about that earlier, the way, the way. Um, I had heard that most, most people, you know, I, I'm not a practicing intermittent faster, but I have, since I learned about it started to make sure that I don't eat at least for 12 hours and I try to go 13 or 14. It's easier in the summer. Cause I leave the house early and go to work. But, um, in any event, I, that got me to realize that I'm often not very hungry first thing in the morning, but I used to try to get my food and coffee and so that I could run outside and be outside and do things and then come back in and be in the office and do like that kind of stuff. Now I realize, and then if I have my coffee at eight 30 or nine and some light breakfast and my husband's eating at noon, cause he started at six 30 eating, you know, his breakfast. I don't have to eat with him. Right. I don't, I'm not hungry, but you know, it's just a reconditioning kind of thing. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (25:34): Well, there's been a lot of talk and I, I guess there's a lot of evidence that, um, our body, you can correct me if this is misstatement, but it's like our, when our bodies are so focused on digestion, it's not healing other things and it's not refreshing other systems in our body. Is that Gregory (25:54): Yeah, I would say, you know, I'm not an expert in that particular category, but my understanding is that we, when we can have more hours between digestive sessions, you're right. The body can heal. But also when our blood sugar can finally go way back down to base level, then the body rejuvenates, it's not like you said, spending all that energy because digestion is a, is a intensive process. Let's put it that way. Well, depending on what's eaten, obviously if you're having a chicken broth, that's so much, right. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (26:27): I haven't had we've I guess we've been kind of playing around with it the last week or so. And I haven't surprisingly breakfast is my favorite meal and it would be when I would get up and eat the most, but surprisingly, um, I have some G and I'll put a little geeky in my to help me, but, um, I haven't really been having that, you know, the dire feelings of hunger or feeling bad or running down on energy, you know, leading up to us, eating around noon or so it's been interesting. Yeah. And again, you know, we we're like everybody else, we're kind of searching around trying new and different things just to see what works, what helps us feel better. Again, you know, we always say always recommend go to your health professional, let them, you know, tell you what's going to work for you or let them monitor these changes that you're making. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (27:18): Please don't do any crazy stuff on our recommendation, but you know, always seek out a doctor dietician or somebody like that that can help you with that process. But you know, we enjoy kind of testing things out because it's hard for us in, I say us it's hard for me because we tried the cooking angle, you know, back at the end of last year, when we first started this show, Terry got into this culinary medicine cooking class and we did it once a week, which it was fun. Awesome. A lot of time for us together, but it's so time consuming. It just wasn't sustainable for us every night to spend, you know, two hours preparing a meal. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:00): And that's because my knife skills are not, not very good. It just takes me a while. I got to get the chopped up stuff. Gregory (28:10): Yeah. I get that. Yeah. The night it is, it's not sustainable. Like you said, I try to make, I mean, I'm a chef. I could make anything that I wanted, but I, most meals are very simple. I boil some fish, I rice and chicken and I throw a chop on the grill or, you know, we have salad, we have a lot of salad and a lot of veggies. And cause I don't feel like cooking either at the end of the day, especially. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (28:34): Right, right. Yeah. And that the, the, um, the vegetable part, you know, it's hard for me because, uh, up until about six months ago, I thought there were only two vegetables, potatoes and corn Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:48): And Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (28:48): No, there was a whole other category of vegetables out there. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:52): Yeah. I say squash in his face just Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (28:56): Yeah. But you know, it's, I guess it's also, I have to give Terry credit. She's very inventive of seasoning. And so, Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:06): Because I need to leave. Yeah. I just need a little Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (29:08): Crunch and that's one thing I notice that, you know, when, when you do the vegetables a lot, um, I don't get that like, uh, you know, that texture maybe has something to do with that. Gregory (29:20): Oh yeah. Texture is a huge way that we get satiated with our food. It's not just flavor. Right. It starts with our eyes to be honest. And then what we can smell and then what we taste and texture is the third, fourth component of a satisfying meal. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:36): Well in RA, you know, we don't, we don't eat enough raw vegetables that don't think Gregory (29:42): Maybe that I, I, uh, there is a doctor trying to think of his name, begins with a D anyway. Um, an amazing guy who, uh, when I met him, he was, uh, practicing as a holistic or osteo. And then he opened a whole school to train other people that wanted to do that. Um, but he used to say, if all you did every day was one bowl of cooked and one bowl of raw, like a good sized cereal bowl, one of cooked, one of Ron Brock could be a salad, lettuce, spinach, broccoli, whatever that would change people's lives because most people don't even get that much in it. Yeah. It's interesting. Not rocket and go right to, sorry, not raw cookie dough. Oh, dear sticks. A broccoli with broccoli and zucchini. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (30:30): Yeah. Yeah. Because that's, you know, just like our diet or my diet was, you know, easily meet up the potato or the corn and bread, you know, those were the three categories. And so, you know, really making that swap over to being more mindful about the vegetables, about how we cook them. Uh, the other thing that we've done a lot too lately is the smoothies. I dunno if you've, if you do that, recommend that, but it's a good way to put all that stuff together. We put a little protein powder in, on top of it and it really kind of masks the taste if you're uncomfortable eating some vegetables. Gregory (31:08): So you do put veggies in your smoothies. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (31:10): We've been to doing a spinach and kale, things like that. Uh, we had a, we had a guest on that was just talking about, he was, um, and I can't recount the whole story. It was on, uh, our aging show. And so he, um, something about the eyes and so what him and his wife did, they cut breakfast out with the, uh, the gluten and started having the smoothie in the morning because of some score that has to do with your eyes. But anyway, they scored really high on this because they cut that gluten out in the morning and just did the smoothies with some protein and spinach or kale. And, uh, you know, it's, it's easier, Travis. Yes, yes. Yeah. It's much easier for me to stomach to do that, but you know, it's just, again, I think we get back to the first thing we talked about is our mindset and our belief, I've got this belief. I don't like vegetables or can't eat them or whatever that may be, but it's just gradually saying, look, I've got to, in order to be healthy, there's just no way around that. Or my belief is there's no way that we have to, that has to be a large part of our consumption every day. Gregory (32:22): Yeah. And I liked the way you put that I have to, right. This is just, there's no avoiding it. At some point, we have to be the adult in the room for ourselves to the corner who wants the ice cream every night. Right. And so, you know, whatever it takes, I'm going to figure how to do this because, you know, life where, you know, aging is inevitable, but I don't want to end up that I can't eat or enjoy my life because I didn't take the time to say, now is the time for me to change some habits. Right. Because you know, sometimes people's digestion gets so bad. They can't eat X, Y, or Z, no spicy food, no tomato, no. I've seen people get older and lose so many of the categories of things that they love. But it's mostly because they didn't nurture like a healthy biome. And we're talking about the biome these days and a healthy digestive system and good sleep habits. It all adds up. There's no escaping it. I mean, some people do, right. Do we all know somebody who is old and like has been smoking and drinking and they're still like rocking on the porch, having parties with their friends. I don't, I would love that to be me. I don't know whether it's going to happen. So on the erring, on the side of caution. Terry - Feeding Fatty (33:33): Yeah. So be, you know, try to take care of it before you get the choices taken away from you. And the older we get, um, the clearer, it becomes that, Oh, okay, this could happen. This could happen. And the more people we talk to now, it's like, Oh, we gotta, we have to, we have to do it Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (33:54): Well to quote Willie Nelson. He said, there's more old drunks than there is old doctor. So I guess I'll have another one. Gregory (34:02): I'll have what he's having. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (34:05): We don't, we don't want to promote that. I was, that was a joke for anybody that heard that. So, but it is, I mean, it's important because I, um, I don't think I obsess over it, but it's become much more clear in my thoughts that, you know, I, I can't go into the next phase of my life being heavy out of shape, not, you know, getting out and walking and doing these things because it's eventually going to catch up and we will outlive that wellness and then be a burden to somebody else. Or at the very least, we have to sit in a chair and watch the rest of the world go by and not be able to participate in that. So I think that's, you know, kind of what was one thing that really got us started in this journey. And that's the one thing that kind of keeps me searching around trying to find something that, you know, will fit for me. And that works good for me Terry - Feeding Fatty (34:57): And is sustainable. Yeah. Gregory (34:59): Yeah. And you can always switch it up, you know, it could work for a year and feel really good. And then one day you think, you know what I did well on a plant-based diet. And now I really miss I've read countless stories of mostly young women. Interestingly, that went vegan for years. And then one day they weren't, well, they had no wire and they couldn't get pregnant, whatever the story was. And they added a little bit of meat protein back into their diet and changed everything. So nothing is set in stone that we decided about our diet. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (35:28): Exactly. So what are some, I know we're getting pretty close and long on time, but just for a minute, what are some things that genes, you know, how can we overcome that? I mean, I guess is that just mindset thinking that this is our body and we can't do this, or, you know, what are some tips or tricks that you can help us with? Gregory (35:49): Okay. So there were a lot of subjects in that question. I want to go back to the genes, let's start with the genes. So genes, I literally just did this research gesture day for a client that I'm copyrighting for and our genes by all, uh, the experts that this was a meta-study they say between 20 and 30% of who we are. And our longevity possibility is determined by our genes. That leaves a lot of room for us to have an impact on our genes. And one of the things there's a woman named Pam peach. She's a, she's a motivational person, doctor, she's a physician, but did a lot of motivational speaking. And she did a lot of coaching with women and she says, genetics loads, the gun and lifestyle pulls the trigger. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (36:40): Interesting. I love that. Gregory (36:41): Yeah. I think that's a great metaphor for we come in with certain proclivities and you could get every gene tested in your body and you will find anomalies. You'll find broken ones, snipped up what? Right. It doesn't mean it's going to turn into a disease unless we create the condition within the body for the certain diseases. Everybody on the planet has cancer cells in their body, every single human and not everybody gets cancer. And not everybody, I'm not saying that people that get cancer are responsible for their cancer, right? I'm not blaming anybody for a disease process. I'm just saying certain people will create a condition in their body. That, that gene that is a little bit screwed up has the environment. It needs to go crazy to create something else. And the easiest ones to recognize are the lifestyle diseases or diabetes and cancer, to a certain extent, but heart disease and diabetes, 75 to 80% of all people suffering could have less suffering and less symptoms if they could change their lifestyle habits. Yeah. Yeah. And some people will do well on medication. Not everybody needs medication. Most people need a change of what they're eating to do. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (37:57): Yeah. And it's important. I'm going to interrupt you for a minute to say that, um, the, the diabetes, and then there's been this linked to Alzheimer's recently, they're calling it the what type three diabetes. Uh, so, you know, that's another thing to think about is, uh, some of these unhealthy habits, they lead to other things, you know, in our, at the end of our life. And so whatever we can do to help minimize it may be we're predisposed to Alzheimer's anyway, because of our genes and our family, but our unhealthy lifestyle guests can contribute to making that a reality. Absolutely. Gregory (38:36): In the book, successful aging by Daniel Levitin, he says that most people that live to 80 in a fairly healthy condition, you might have, everybody has a bump on a hurdle in a thing. Right, right. Somewhere after 80 is when disease processes start to kick in. Okay. And if you've done your homework or your longevity work until then you can have a better chance of not succumbing to the most awful ones you made, then get heart disease. You may then have a kidney problem. You may then get dementia or a mild form, but you're not necessarily setting yourself up for the big Alzheimer's cancer of, you know. So I thought that was really interesting that many people who are practicing healthy habits have a good chance of living to 80 in a good frame of body and mind. And then, you know, we have to be prepared for other things, but Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (39:29): Right. Yeah. And the other part of that conversation, and I know this is way too much to cover, but just making a point is that yeah. You know, just making the point that, um, the, you know, the doing the, there's been some research that I have read, that's kind of linked our explosion of Alzheimer's today to our diet, uh, back in the seventies and early eighties when the low fat was huge. And so, uh, I guess everything in moderation, we need to have that fat intake because of the, um, I guess it kinda lubricates the receptors in our brain. And if you don't have enough, but then there's this, there's a myth that, well, um, our brains only run on the carbs, but there is some evidence that we can kind of switch that over to our brains can run on the fat intake. I'll let you expound on that just a little bit. Gregory (40:25): You did a pretty good job. So it's just a matter of reconditioning the brain to run on fat, as fuel, as opposed to sugar. And that's where the keto diet comes into play. It really reconditions, people's whole metabolism. And, you know, so the, and fat, the going back to the eighties, I, I did a talk for many years all about when Snackwell's came in. Do you remember Snackwell cookies, the low fat, finally low fat in the, I think it was three years subsequent to the cause it really became a craze. Like everything became low fat. Right, right. After that happened well in the next three to five years, I think it was the percent of the increase in heart disease and other kinds of diabetes and stuff like that went up like off the charts exponentially because people had replaced healthy fats or even not such healthy fats, but they don't cause the glucose spike with a lot of sugar because you got to put something back into the thing when you take something out of it. Gregory (41:27): Right. Right. And so what we were doing was causing this inflammatory response in the body, all these people with all of these low fat products. And we really haven't recovered from that. I don't think even though they're not a big deal anymore, there are still low fat products. They're not like the go-to thing. Right. But so going back to your point about the brain, if we forget a Blake, don't worry about low fat, so much worry about a balanced diet of healthy. And if you think about a piece of let's just take salmon, salmon has a pretty high fat content. If you get deep water salmon, right. Cold-water salmon like Norway and Alaska. And those it's a natural package of fat protein and other nutrients, even vegetables have fat and nutrients, right. There's always a little bit of fat in almost every planet on the earth. But I mean every piece of food that's natural to the earth because that's what we're designed to have a balance. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (42:19): Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. And I guess before we wrap up one thing, uh, it's suggestible is just go to your doctor and have all your blood work done and get these levels tested because that may actually, uh, show you where you're deficient show you where you're over. I mean, that could be a big part of how we want to eat going forward if we knew that information. Correct. Gregory (42:45): Oh yeah. And so I not I'm a cholesterol is not killing you. Crazy person. Cholesterol is not the enemy people. I eat a lot of fat. I, certain people need more fat in their diet. I think my probably a 40% fat in my diet, my triglycerides are like 58, which is low. Right. My cholesterol is super healthy. So the people that fear that if they eat well, if I put more fat in my diet, it's going to cause all these problems. It's not, it may, depending on who you are, which is why to your point, right. Get your blood levels tested, right. Have a full cardiac panel. Don't just get your cholesterol levels, taste tested like LDL and HDL, have them break the particles down, LDL, big, small, all that stuff. You need to know those numbers and your inflammation numbers are really the easier. I mean, the sooner you find out, if you have inflammation, the better, it will be free going forward. Cause you can start to do things now to reduce that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (43:39): Yeah. Yeah. And, and whatever you do as well, you know, we kind of pushed that. We need to know the macro nutrients or micronutrients that we take. And so, you know, we have the, the app, we put stuff in because it's funny, you know, even when we thought we were eating very healthy, there were still nutrients that we were totally deficient in. And so it, it, it's not the end all be all. But I think what it does, it helped us adjust our eating because we could say, okay, well we're not getting enough of this. Maybe here's a food that we could add that could help us with that. Again, I know that's a lot of trouble, but um, you know, if you have the time and the energy to do that, I think it can be very helpful as well. Gregory (44:19): Yeah. That's a great idea. And I have to, again, like I said, I'm a bit of a bear when it comes to coaching, what's more important. If it takes a little time, what's more important than your health. Exactly. You want to be that one sitting and watching the world go, or do you want to say, I'm gonna take a little bit of time every single day, 15 minutes, right. To decide what I'm eating or for the week to decide what I'm eating and to make sure that I get enough nutrition, because I'm going to check in with fitness pal or whatever those apps are once a week and see how I'm doing. You know, I think we can't use those kinds of ways of thinking anymore. That it's takes too much time. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (44:51): Right. Exactly. Yeah. Well, Greg, thanks so much for taking time to be with us. Uh, it's a real pleasure talking to you. We love it. A lot of great information. So, uh, before we get away though, tell us, uh, you know, what is a habit that you have a habit, an app, something that helps you professionally, personally, that you just couldn't live without that as a lot of value to your day. Gregory (45:16): Oh dear, are you asking me this once before and add, threw me off? You know what I really love there is an app called Headspace and it is a meditation app and it can be free or paid. And the guy who started it, I don't know how many voices there. I think there's only two there English. I have an 11 English accent. You can put it on for five minutes, 10 minutes. I'm not a big meditator. My meditation practice looks like my chess game is really bad usually, but some days I need to get out of my head. It's on my phone. I get in my comfortable chair over here. I put my earbuds in, I sit there, they talked to me, they tell me nice things and I feel better. It's a simple little thing, but I never Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (45:59): Interesting. Yeah. Yep. Cool. I'll have to check that out. I've never heard of that. Yeah. All right. Awesome. All right. Well tell people how they can reach out, tell them, you know, first who do you work with? How can they reach out and get a hold of you also tell us where we can pick up a copy of the book. Gregory (46:15): Thank you for asking. So my website is rebelliouswellnessover50.com. And you can, you can reach out literally by emailing me at gregory@rebelliouswellnessover50.com. But if you go to the website, I have a page there that the little tab at the top, one of them says the book and people can actually download the first, like I would say, section of the book, that's the philosophy behind the book, why I wrote it, where I was. Um, and the reason those things are in there and I make it available to people is because it may not be the right thing for them. I don't like people to have to buy a whole book that they're not gonna use. So this gives you a pretty much a taste and I've got some products on the website, a lot of free stuff, information about sort of the same way we were talking today. Um, so that's pretty much the best and I have a podcast of the same name. You can find it on Apple, iTunes, I mean, Apple and Stitcher and all those good places. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Is Your Mindset Holding You Back In Your Efforts To Get Healthy? (47:10): Okay. Well, great. Awesome. Well, thanks a lot. Um, that's going to do it for us and, uh, you can always find us of course, at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media platforms, as well as, uh, a video of this interview will be on YouTube as well. When it goes live, where you are on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify for nine Oh one that you listened to certainly reach out. We'll be glad to add you on. So that's going to do it for us. Thanks a lot, Gregory. Appreciate you being here. Speaker 4 (47:44): Thank you so much. Bye-bye. www.rebelliouswellessover50.com ww.feedingfatty.com
Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Reiki Session with Roy and Terry Part of our journey also includes being in a better mindset. We both feel it is an important change in order to change other things like eating healthy and more consistent exercise. We tried our first experience with Reiki. It was the first time for us both and we had quite a memorable experience. In a future episode, we will have Peyton our Reiki practitioner on to talk more in-depth. Sharing is caring Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, and LinkedIn About Roy and Terry After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits and implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism) losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it’s not just counting calories and cutting out sweets. www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (00:14): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So we are the podcast. That's chronicling our journey through. Um, they're trying to get healthy, uh, which includes changing some eating habits, as well as, uh, you know, getting a better exercise pattern, but we've also been trying some, um, you know, some different things that we'd like to share. I think today we want to talk about, and I'm gonna let you say it since I, I definitely have a trouble pronouncing pronouncement. It's right. Reiki. I call it Riki, but that's, you don't lose that. Somebody said, at least we know you're from Fort worth the way you say it like that. But anyway, uh, we just both went and experienced our first, uh, I've been once and Terry's actually been twice. So we're just going to talk about that for, uh, you know, a few minutes. And, uh, it was interesting. I don't know, you know, where, where do you want to start with that? But Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:17): I mean, let's talk about what it is and Reiki healing. It's it's, um, targets, targets your energy flow, um, removes, you know, blocks. If you have certain blocks in certain areas, um, you go and you, uh, have I don't, I mean, I guess just for lack of a better definition, you, you go and you lay on a table, it's like a massage table. So it's like massaging without the muscle manipulation and all of that. I mean, they, they do touch upon, you know, certain, certain points, you know, like on, on your forehead and it's just, everything is your, everything is energy and your shakras, there are seven chakras and, and they kind of focus on your shakra areas and try to figure out where you have blockages or, you know, where your energy needs to kind of flow up or, you know, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (02:21): That was an interesting part talking about that. I mean, we'll get into it, I guess, a little bit more, but in all fairness, uh, you know, first off we are having some terrible internet issues that we have actually suspended. Uh, luckily we had a bunch of, uh, uh, episodes that we'd already taped, but our, um, and you know, this, we're doing this recording on, uh, the first week of may, but 2021. So we've been having some internet issues and we've actually had to suspend it on all of our podcasts just because we've tried and, you know, we've gotten to the middle and failed. So first off, we'll just apologize if you do watch this on the video, you know, it may be a little bit jerky. The audio should be fine, it's taped a different way, but, um, you know, we are getting that work done. We've got, uh, about, um, well, not quite a mile of work, the cable that they're going to bury down here and hopefully, uh, we've started the prep work at the house, and they've also got, um, the pavement Mark, like they're thinking about digging pretty quickly. So anyway, Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:24): We're on their schedule basically. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (03:26): We're holding our fingers on that. Nobody will give us a for sure date. So anyway, we're hanging on, we'll do the best we can, but just wanted to bring that up first. But second, uh, this young lady and the re part of the reason I bring that up is because this young lady who we went to was scheduled to be on the show. We really want to talk to her and get her on here. So as soon as we get some, uh, reliable, stable internet back, we will definitely do that. And, uh, she is a friend, uh, of your daughters is how we found her. Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:58): Yeah, Peyton, Peyton is a Reiki master. And, you know, I've had, I've had her explain what all of that is because I've kind of stayed away from it because I didn't really understand it. I mean, I do, I do understand that everything is energy. Uh, and, and then you lose me from there until I did the Reiki session. And then, you know, you can kind of liken it to acupuncture, I guess, but I've never done that either, but they do compare the two or, you know, I don't know, pressure points and certain areas and your feet and your hands and all of that. And they can kind of feel, uh, they feel warmth and you actually feel warmth. You don't really see what they're doing, but Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (04:45): Yeah. And part of the reason I kind of agreed to go do this was, you know, I'm interested in it. Definitely for sure, because, because I don't know about it. So, you know, definitely going and checking it out and seeing, but, you know, part of my deal is, you know, we struggle, I struggle can make, you know, go for two, three weeks, maybe a month, maybe two months on, you know, eating good. And then I just have a complete come apart. So part of my reasoning for wanting to go was just the fact of, uh, you know, I feel like there's some kind of a block, maybe something, I don't remember some trauma or, you know, I think it's also a lot of, we've discussed this before a lot of different, bad learned habits. And, you know, the one we usually kind of key on is the whole ice cream factor that, you know, that was a bit large part of my life growing up celebrations, you know, when things were bad, like, you know, anytime anything happened, it was like, well, let's head to the drugstore and get some ice cream. And so, so yeah, that was back in the day before. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (05:50): But, um, um, you know, that, so I, I don't necessarily think that it has to be something traumatic happened. I think part of it can be, you know, just learn habits over time that, and you associate good and bad with this. And anyway, Terry - Feeding Fatty (06:06): And sometimes you just don't know, you don't know if there's a trend, like you, you continue continually, continuously, uh, reinforce how happy your childhood was. You just have all of these great memories and, you know, it's, you just don't know until you start diving into different areas and see if maybe something can come up, you know? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (06:31): Right, right. Yeah. And that's why I wanted to do this. Uh, you know, that's why I was interested. And it was weird because, um, you know, my experience with it was like you said, you lay on a table in a quiet room and I love it with the Asian music plan. And then we have the, um, uh, you know, the incense and the oils and just a lot of sensory, good sensory stuff going on. But I tell you what, I don't think, I don't remember her touching my head, but I know she placed her. I could feel her walk behind me and she must have placed her hand over my forehead. And I guarantee you, it was like, um, it was like a hot coal setting on my forehead. I mean, the heat was so intense that I can't even explain it and Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:19): I get a headache afterwards or anything. I mean, you just Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (07:22): A little bit drained, but, uh, you know, the other thing she did, she cut my ears. And then, um, you know, I've got a, uh, an acute problem with one of my shoulders where I hyper extended it years ago, uh, carrying something heavy and it like tore the tendons where they go into my arm, the little arm socket. And so I have inflammation, but anyway, it, it gives me trouble every now and then, but it's funny after she moved away from my head, that shoulder was the very first place that she went, which is just, you know, strange to me. And the other thing she told me too was, you know, like my upper body, my head and my chest were holding a lot of heat and energy. And she was trying to move that down into my legs. She said, cause that's where we make changes and how, you know, things are, I guess, down into your knees, into your lower body area. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (08:19): So anyway, it was just a, to me, it was a very interesting experience. I will go back and do it again, just because, but what about you, anything that out of the ordinary for you? Oh, one more thing. I'm sorry. I, I just want to say don't dog yet. Now the other thing I was going to say is it's funny that three, I don't know, after she was kind of around my head, it wasn't, it was just like all of a sudden, I kind of felt like I was in that limbo between consciousness and sleep. Just having these weird thoughts or is kind of almost like, you know, you're having those dreams that you just can't remember. Yeah. You know, they're kind of weird, but they, they have some reality based into it. Cause, but you can really, it just wasn't clear, but anyway, there's so all that was going on. And then it was like, things went silent. It was like my, my upper body, my chest and everything just swole up with, uh, just all of this energy. And the, I had three words that came to me were, uh, C uh, strength, wisdom, and patience. And that, you know, you know what I had gone through the, I went on a Thursday, had a really bad Tuesday and then Thursday afternoon was terrible. I mean, it was just the pits. And so Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:45): He didn't want to go anywhere. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (09:46): Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, but I was man, you know, it's just funny how it was so such a bad time and easily. I don't have times that are that bad for those reasons, but anyway, it was just terrible. And just those three words that came to me, I really needed to hear at that time. So I thought that was kind of strange anyway, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:07): Yeah. I, I didn't really get any clear-cut words. I, I just having a hard time explaining what happened, but, you know, after she was, uh, after we were finished, she said that my throat chakra was where she felt the blockage, the most heat. And, um, that has to do with, uh, communicating your, you know, just getting your point across, like I'm having a great time doing now, just getting your point across. And I've, you know, I've had, I've had a hard time with that lately and I don't, uh, I don't there just so many things going on that I just can't get in the right direction. Right. To explain what's going on. But I, I just, I felt, I actually did feel afterwards. Like I had had a massage, I was very, I wanted a nap. I just, I, I felt so relaxed. Um, and there were certain areas, you know, the second time that I went, I was having some tingling and some not, not pains, but just like some sharp feelings. Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:18): And then there were some tinglings around and it was like where her hands were. And I couldn't tell where she was, but she felt, Oh, yeah. I mean, that was like, I don't, I figured it was my digestive. I was hungry or something, I don't know. But it was, it was very constant and very, it just flickering and tingling. It was, it was, uh, a good, good experience both times. It was just different, but at times, and we didn't discuss, she and I didn't discuss, you know, anything in detail as far as what was going on. If I was having any pains, if I, uh, was, you know, feeling, having certain feelings that I was trying to, to deal with or anything like that, um, she, she just kind of told me what it was. She told me she, you know, that this may have been, may be happening. And, uh, it was good. I I'm ready to go. I bought a package ready to go back. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (12:19): Yeah. I think it's worth the, you know, and that's part of, I think, as we have interviewed a lot of people on this show, it's, it's brought up a lot of things that maybe we didn't think about or like myself, I had never heard of this. So, I mean, it's, I want to try to go into this with an open mind and tried different things just to see kind of what that is. It's, um, you never know, you never know what's going to resonate with each individual person in the place that they're at. I guess Terry - Feeding Fatty (12:48): People find different ways to balance their lives. And if, uh, there is, uh, you know, in search for the positive balance of everything in your life. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (12:59): Yeah. And I don't think, uh, I, I don't know that we know enough about it to recommend, you know, how to choose the person that you go to. And I think that would be a great topic when Peyton comes on is, you know, we'll, we'll talk with her about, you know, what do you need to look for? Because there are certain training that they go through and certain levels. I mean, it's, it's complicated. And you know, my thing about this, when we try anything new, whether, uh, anything is just always check, check the person out because I could, uh, you know, anybody can say that you practice something, but that doesn't mean that we really know what we're doing. And so, you know, I just urge everybody to check it out, check the person out. You go to make sure that they've got the credentialing that you're looking for. And then hopefully when we get Peyton on here, that we'll be, you know, one of the questions that we want to ask her is if somebody new is seeking out, um, you know, the Reiki H how, what would the criteria be to choose somebody? What do they need to do? Terry - Feeding Fatty (13:59): Yeah, definitely. I think that it's important, you know, nobody wants to waste their time, messing around with people who are just throwing up ads on Google or whatever, and that boy does that happen. You know, we got to filter everything out. Yep. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (14:15): All right. Well, that's going to do it for this episode. Uh, one thing, you know, I think we've talked about we, when we first started this, this was more of a personal journey. We started interviewing a lot of people. So hopefully, you know, from this point forward, we'll be delivering much more of these, uh, you know, shorter Thursday episodes where, you know, we can kind of go deep about some things that's happening, uh, you know, in our life at this time. So, anyway. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:40): Yeah. And I was just going to say, and, you know, by no means, are we professionals, these are just things that we're trying out right. For us, and what's working at the moment. So if there, if you have anything to add to this, if, if you'd like to discuss anything, go to our Facebook site, go to Instagram and go where wherever we are feeding fatty, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (15:00): Or even send an email, we'll be glad to try to answer any questions. Like I said, we are not the professionals. And, you know, we don't, uh, don't claim to be, we, you know, we just offer up different suggestions of things that we're trying kind of where we're at to see, you know, what we're gonna, what combination is going to end up working for us, Terry - Feeding Fatty (15:19): But yeah. Any suggestions? Yep. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Need to Balance Your Energy? You Might Want to Try a Rieke Session (15:21): Great. Alright. Well until next time, uh, that's going to do it. Of course, you can find us at, um, www.feedingfatty.com, all the, all the major social media channels. We do have a Facebook group. We'd love to get some conversations started in also over on Instagram, we get a lot of traction over there. That's a great place to check out the different podcasts that we have up. Get some more information. And then also this will go up on YouTube, check out on our website. We have both an audio player and a video player available. So until next time that's going to do it for Roy I'm. 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So, uh, you know, this is a podcast that we Chronicle our journey, uh, you know, through this weight loss, wellness, getting healthy, all the good stuff, but we also bring guests on from time to time. Uh, today we're fortunate enough to have Jeanette hurt. She is, she was actually our number two episode long seem like forever ago, but it had been about six months ago. And I think we just passed the 40th episode. So first off, welcome back. Um, I'm gonna let Terry intro you right quick. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:31): Yeah. Jeanette hurt is an award-winning author of 15 books on food and drink. And she's a recipe developer for both publications and agencies. She regularly contributes to numerous magazines, including Forbes, Huffington, post eating well and Chicago health. When she's not writing or developing recipes, you will find her walking along the lakefront with her family and their dog in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Jeanette, welcome back. We're so happy to have you. Jeanette (01:00): Well, thank you for having me. It was fun talking with you the first time and I didn't realize I was your second guest. So I feel really awkward. Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:10): And we talked about your cauliflower, um, book last time. And this time you have a new book, the unofficial all the cookbook. That is awesome. Jeanette (01:23): Well, I'm very excited about that. I've been a long time. All these shopper. I grew up with a mom who shopped at all the back in the days when the stores didn't have much lighting and the brand, the generic brands were just bland looking on the shelves. And the produce section was pretty sad with a couple of slimy heads of iceberg lettuce, but now of course, all the has changed. And if anything, all the has become sort of a hip and fun discount grocery store, and they are growing like crazy. And they are doing a lot of sustainable things, but of course they always did some sustainable things. Like the fact that the goods are just put on the shelves in boxes and you have to actually buy bags or bring your own, or what I think is ingenious. Some, all the nerds actually just bring laundry baskets. So you stick it in the cart and then they fill it up and then you're ready to go. And I thought, I need to do that. That's easier to carry all the groceries than in bags, which sometimes have things spilling out of them, especially if you pack them yourselves. Right. We do it all day. So, and I'm not an expert grocery packer by any means. I'm pretty good. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (02:47): Yeah. Now it's going to say just for those that don't know, uh, cause they're, they've been here for a while, but Aldi is a grocery store and um, I don't go there a lot, but what I will say is they have small footprint. So when you need to just dash in, get something, uh, it's just not overwhelming. I think they I'll let you confirm this Jeanette, but I think they have like mostly their store brand. So there's not a huge selection of choice. You kind of get what they have, but again, uh, maybe like three aisles in the store, the one you walked down, the second one, you know, just not that much Jeanette (03:24): More, but there's not. There's about three or four Isles and it's, you don't have to spend hours wandering through the store trying to find the tomato paste switch. That's a good example because I've been buying tomato paste back when I was a young, just out of college newspaper reporter and I was working part time and I couldn't afford things. And their, their, their tomato paste was 27 cents. I still remember this because I make homemade spaghetti sauce and it wouldn't cost me an arm and a leg. Now that same can of tomato paste used to be 33 cents up until about a month ago. And they raised it to 41 cents, which is still cheaper than the 75 cents or a dollar you're going to pay at most other grocery stores. And I don't know how you feel about tomato paste, but I think tomato paste is tomato paste. You don't need a brand name. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (04:23): The other cool thing I noticed is that they let their checkers set on a stool when they check you out. I don't know if that's everywhere here, but it's like, yeah, that's kind of cool. You don't, they don't make them stand up, you know, for something that they can do, just passing them over the scanner. Jeanette (04:38): No, and they're the fastest check, the fastest scanners or checker outers of any grocery store I've been to. And even if you, you go in while you first, if you're, if you're just running in for a couple of things, you might just throw them in your bag. But if you need a cart, you need to bring a quarter because they have this ingenious system, you stick in the quarter and you get the cart and then you get your quarter back when you hook it up. And that saves them on labor costs because they don't have people who have to go and catch the stray carts in the parking lot or move them around. Everyone brings them back and you get in a few more steps. If you're, you're trying to get in more steps because you have to bring the car back. But again, their parking lots aren't as big there, their footprints aren't large. Jeanette (05:26): So you're not going to have this huge, like I'm thinking about the times when I go to Walmart and the parking lot is just ginormous and I can get 300 steps just going across the parking lot. Right. Um, so you check in and then you bag your own groceries. And if you don't have bags, you can buy them, which some people do, or you can just do what I've often done when I forgotten or more likely, my husband has forgotten to put the bags back in my car. So I'll just grab a box off the shelf. And that's what I'll use to take my groceries to the car, especially if it's only a few things. So that is one thing. The other thing I think people need to know besides the good prices and the fact that you're not going to spend many times, because there aren't usually 20 brands of Manet's there's one or two, right there. Aren't 20 kinds of balsamic vinegar. There's just one. The quality is high enough unless you have really specific tastes. But what I think is kind of funny, there are some people on these, all the Facebook groups will, who will say, well, my husband only likes such and such catch-up, but then I buy the Aldi catch-up and I put it in the, the name brand. Jeanette (06:43): I might have to do that. [inaudible] so there's that. But then of course, there's the AOS there I'll ILS specials, or as people call it the isle of shame, which is sort of shame on you. If you don't go there, um, you wanted, I could take you on a tour of my house, the things I got in the AOS aisle, including most recently for my son's birthday, a waffle maker, which costs me 26 bucks. And it's the nicest waffle maker I've had. I've had other ones, but this one is fantastic. Wow. And that was just a recent thing, but I've seen espresso machines. I've seen, I've gotten a bathing suit there. That was actually one of my favorite bathing suits. Oh gosh. Um, just unusual things that are food or home goods, but they're kind of fun. And usually around the beginning of the year, you'll find fitness equipment. Now the fitness equipment is mostly sold out, but you might find a few things that didn't sell at reduced prices. Um, around Christmas, starting in November, they will have their advent wine calendars, which sell out really fast. They also have advent cheese calendars. So cheese a day for 25. Oh my gosh. Little tiny ones. Um, and they've had things like, uh, 10 days of sparkling wine after Christmas or things like that as well. And those are, you know, they're fun. Terry - Feeding Fatty (08:17): We need to go back there. I mean, we, you know, I, I can tell you, I've probably only been in there about five times. I know that it's changed. We just get set in our ways and, you know, go to the same place. Yeah. Jeanette (08:32): I don't think about it. And there were frequent conversations on all the Facebook groups and other social media groups about, well, what are the things you wish Aldi had or sometimes they'll have special things. Like, for example, my son absolutely adores seaweed chips, and they're only there, you know, maybe once a year, so you buy them up, but they're instead of a dollar, a tiny package, they're a dollar for three. Wow. So you buy them off. Um, but so sometimes you can't get things there like at, you know, you can always get certain things at your regular grocery store. Now that's one thing about my cookbook. You can make every single recipe with just going to an all day. And there are some things like, I'll say, for example, my pot roast soup. It tastes better. If you add some fresh herbs, all the only sells fresh cilantro. Jeanette (09:30): I maybe once in a while, they'll sell other fresh herbs, but not really. They do have a good substitute of herbs in a two, which are, I think the next best thing. But if you want fresh Rosemary or fresh time, you're not going to get it at all day. So there are some things that you can't get, but for everyday basic cooking and everyday basic needs, you know, Kleenex for 75 cents a box or not Kleenex it's it's facial tissue. It is not the name brand, unless it's a special item, which they sometimes have, but I don't need name brand facial tissue. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (10:10): So, uh, I just was going to ask, are the, is the inventory consistent from store to store or are they like, you know, we have some stores down here that each one may vary a little bit different. What you're going to walk in and find Jeanette (10:24): It's pretty consistent. There is some variation. Um, I've seen Hellman's, Manet's in some, all these stores and I've seen Dukes in others, but they're name brand is Berman's and I'm not sure what the difference is. I probably need to buy all three and tasted individually to actually see. But, um, so there is some things like that. And I don't often shop in all these outside of my state. I've shopped a lot in Wisconsin and my family's down in Illinois, so I've shopped there and my parents have a condo down in Florida. So I've shopped in one all the there, but I can't like, for example, I know every, all the we'll have a good cheese selection. Now that changes, there are some that I've noticed are not specials. Like you can get imported Spanish manchego cheese, and it's there year round. Right. But you might not get Irish cheddar. You only get it usually starting in February through March and maybe a little bit of April around St. Patrick's day. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (11:36): So that's a ringing endorsement from not only somebody from Wisconsin, but also somebody that's written three books on cheese that when you say that they have a good selection of cheese, then they have a good selection. Jeanette (11:49): Did they do? I found things like thousand day Gouda from the Netherlands, and that was a special or car Valley, fontina cheese and things like that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (12:02): So now, you know, um, of course one of your latest books was the Wisconsin cocktails. Uh, in the last time that we talked to you just released the cauliflower comfort food, which is awesome because we definitely try to do more, uh, with cauliflower again, away from, you know, rice and just trying to make it a staple of my diet. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm still working up to some of the, uh, vegetables, uh, vegetable categories, but yeah. So what, um, what made you go out and, uh, decide to write this cookbook that specifically aimed at all D and the, uh, the foods that they, that they sell at their stores? Jeanette (12:44): Well, it was two-fold after I wrote my cauliflower comfort food cookbook, my publisher wanted another book idea. So I was tossing around different things. And my publisher actually has published a series of books on trader Joe's cookbooks. And I thought, and I also knew that all the in trader Joe's at the way, way corporate level in Germany has a connection. I think one of the two brothers that owns all the, also owns a stake in trader Joe's. So I thought, well, that's kind of interesting, there's that connection. So I suggested it. And my editor who is based in Brooklyn, that's where their publishing offices are. And Brooklyn does not have a lot of all these, I might tell you share how popular and all the cookbook would be. So they asked me, they hired me to write, to develop two recipes, to test market and on social media. Jeanette (13:41): And of course they were well received. So then I, I got my contract for my Aldi cookbook just before the pandemic. So that's kind of how that came about. But the other thing is, is I've been shopping at Aldi for years. And usually I live in the city of Milwaukee and in my neighborhood there isn't an all day I could travel 15 minutes or out to some suburbs that have it. But usually the, all these I shop at are the ones near where my son practices gymnastics. When he was on a team in West Dallas, Wisconsin, I shopped at the West Dallas all day. Now he's up at infinite gymnastics in Brown deer. So that's I go to the Brown deer or the Glendale all day, because they're near his, his gym and like busy mom. I don't have time to go to a lot of different things. So a lot of the times when I'm cooking, you know, I will just make it on what I can get at all the, and in the summer I go to farmer's markets. So that's pretty much, and once in a while, I go to trader Joe's, cause there are a couple of things I absolutely adore there. So that's pretty much where I do my shopping. I don't have a lot of time to waste. I, I work and I'm a mom and I'm also now a learning coach for online school. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (14:59): Oh gosh, not to make a pun, but your, your plate is full. I couldn't resist. So I like the way that you have this laid out. And it's interesting too. Of course you, uh, you led with the beverages, the wine slushie, the Sangre. So, you know, my background. Yeah. Right, exactly. So no surprise there. Um, so were there some surprises that you came across as you tried to put this together pleasantly or are displeasant? Jeanette (15:35): There were definitely some surprises because I looked at some of the things for recipes that I've been making for my family for years. Like, um, the roasted asparagus, I have done different versions of roasted asparagus for years. And since we're entering spring and asparagus is in season, I definitely recommend that recipe. And if you're trying to get more vegetables in your diet, it's the most delicious asparagus in my opinion. So there's some recipes like that. And like many of the fish dishes, I cook a lot of those, but then there are some things, you know, my editor said, I'd like a recipe with this in it. So then I had to develop things like the pot roast soup and the Swiss steak was the recipe. I grew up with my mom making her own version. So I had to come up with my own for the Aldi cookbook. Jeanette (16:30): And it was, it was definitely fun. And some of, one of the other interesting things is my sister's shop at all the, in my one sister, it, Karen is a big cook and she would tell me, Oh, I went to this party and my friend Lisa made this pizza dip. That was so good. And she described it to me and I'm like, well, then I have to try this. I have to recreate it. This is the kind of thing I was like, Ooh, this is really good. And then I have, um, one of the things that did happen, of course, after I finished sending in all my recipes and my publisher and editors have edited it and it went to press, of course there were other recipes that I thought, Ooh, this would be perfect. Yeah. So I have an entertaining with all the cook booklet, which I'll send you the link for, if you buy my book, you can get a free copy of it. And it has some of these recipes, like, um, my friend Beck made this, we call it Beck's crack dip because it's addictive. It's blue cheese, Africa, preserves cream, cheese, and green onions and bacon. And it is just to die for, and that was like, I was like, Oh, that belongs in my book. But it doesn't, it's not in my book. I had to write a little free booklet for people. And, um, that was also kind of fun to do. So it's 12 extra recipes. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (17:58): Awesome. Yeah. And that was my next question. It sounds like that you took some familiar recipes and you kind of adapt it to what you could buy at Aldi, but then maybe also threw in a couple to say, like, these are, um, going into the store to look at what's available and then developing a recipe based off of that. Jeanette (18:18): Yes. Some of it were things like I, um, use my AU gratin potatoes. One thing people talk about on all the Facebook, which I had never buy bought in my life were canned potatoes. Cause I don't think it's that hard to boil potatoes and peel them. Right. But I tried them and actually for certain things like hash Browns and Oak rotten potatoes, they're simple because they're already peeled, you just rent some slop, chop them up, throw them in a pan. And they were really, really good at it's something I definitely think is great to have on hand in your pantry. If for example, you're making something and you're like, Oh, darn it. I don't have any potatoes. And then you can whip up a potato dish that actually tastes pretty good. Okay, cool. Or depending on the dish, the rotten ones, of course you throw a bunch of cheese on anything and it's divine. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (19:18): So how hard was it as you went through the process, testing all the recipes, the family reaction, how did all that go for you? Jeanette (19:26): It went really well. And it's funny because the other day my husband was looking through the book. He's like, I'd like to have this and I'm like, you have had this stuff real time Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:36): Pay attention. Jeanette (19:39): Oh yeah, I did. I remember that. Which is kind of funny, but, you know, um, and it was interesting to me to also adapt because I think some of it were sometimes I bake from scratch, but sometimes I don't. And I know a lot of people who shop at all day, you don't have a lot of time. And some of these recipes, like the cake mix, sugar cookies are for things like when it's nine o'clock at night and your child reminds you that you have to bring the treats for Scouts practice or whatever. Terry - Feeding Fatty (20:17): Been there done that. That's terrible. It's like, okay, now I have to wake up at 3:00 AM to get there. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (20:25): So, um, you know, as you went through, I guess how much trouble, and I'm not the, uh, I'm not the chef Terry should be asking this question probably cause she had understand, but like ha was there that big of an issue adapting to you, like take a recipe into the store and then be like, okay, they don't have this, I need to substitute this and that kind of, how did that process go? Well, that's kind of how Jeanette (20:48): My mind works all the time when I'm developing recipes for my clients is they'll tell me I want a recipe. That's this. And usually sometimes for example, um, I do develop some recipes for, um, hospital and healthcare systems and one of them is a bariatric clinic. So they'll tell me I want X, Y or Z recipes. So I'll give them some ideas and we'll negotiate. We'll figure out which ones they want. And then I'll start thinking, well, how can I make this healthier? Okay. And usually then I'll go into the recipe, the, the store with a list. And also I've just been cooking long enough and I've taken enough classes that I know how things work and how you can make substitutions. How do you can make it healthier? Um, if we're talking about healthier things, if you want to make a recipe healthier with less spoil using an olive oil spritz or, or spray, whether it's one that you fill the olive oil in yourself, or you buy it already in a spray can, that's an easy way to lower the amount of oil in a recipe. Terry - Feeding Fatty (22:04): Yeah. We're, we're, you know, we've been discussing, uh, getting on more of a, plant-based trying the plant-based foods out. So I'm trying to figure out some recipes for that. Jeanette (22:18): Well, um, one of the things I will say, all the has a very good vegetarian and vegan selection. Some of it is permanent. Some of it is not, um, if you need unsweetened almond milk, that tastes great. It's, you'll find it there. Um, what, I've, what I would say with replacing things with plant protein, you can go all the way completely, but you can also do things like even my, my meatloaf recipe, it always has vegetables in it. Right. You're getting a serving of vegetables when you don't realize it. Especially if you make a homemade tomato sauce on top for it, instead of just putting catch-up it's, it's got more vegetables that way. I think the other thing is taking things that you think that you really like and looking for a good substitution. There are some, um, you can do like, um, instead of burgers, I've seen mushroom burgers and vegetable burgers. If you add some nuts to it or mushrooms and um, you add enough spices, it's still got a little bit of that umami flavor and it's really satisfying. Okay. Terry - Feeding Fatty (23:35): Okay. Okay. That's awesome. So enough of the small talk let's get right to the desserts. Oh, I remember the chocolate chip cookies with the cauliflower. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (23:46): Uh, so, um, there's one, two, three, there's about 10 desserts on here. You know, it's wide ranging from the cherry surprise chocolate chip banana bread. So which one of these was, uh, yours and your family's favorite? Jeanette (24:02): Um, my husband loves banana bread and I think banana bread tastes better with chocolate chips. Actually. I think almost any dessert taste chocolate chips. And when I was actually developing the cookbook just before I had to turn it in, I realized, oops, I don't have many non chocolate dessert recipes in the books. I had to come up with a couple. Um, and I think in the, the cherry surprise filled cupcakes with chocolate ganache is definitely one of my personal favorites. The poop emoji cupcakes are my niece's favorite cause she loves poop emojis first grader. And she just thinks the poop emoji is so funny. Um, and that was a fun one to come up with because usually if you make these cupcakes, you'll see on Pinterest in places like that, they'll have the candied eyes for the cupcakes, which you can't even get them. Usually at regular grocery stores, you have to order them online or go to a baking store. Right. I don't know about you. I don't have time for that. So I thought, well, what would taste better marshmallows and chocolate chips for the eyes. It tastes better than candy hard candy. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (25:23): Yeah. So, uh, right. So, uh, what else? The interesting one I found here was the brownie oranges. Jeanette (25:33): Oh, that one is so good. Um, and it takes time and I adapted a recipe that I had found a Safari company in Africa does out, out on Sofar for you. They grill them, they make them and they grill them in the fires, in their camps. I thought, well, you can do that in your oven. And it's easier than doing it on a Safari camp. And so, and it's so good and I love chocolate and orange. And I think there's a note that says, you can add some orange, the core, like [inaudible], which you can't get at all the right now, but you might have in your, you might have it in your liquor cabinet at home. I'm a big fan if you can't tell if baking with booze. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (26:26): Yeah. And it's, um, uh, it's just an interesting combination. I've never really thought about the orange and the chocolate together. Yeah. So that's cool. Jeanette (26:35): It's, it's a good dessert. Also, if you want to take brownies and upscale it for a party and it makes the presentation, and if you wanted to get extra fancy, you could just take chocolate ice cream or sorbet and scoop it and put it on the side and then throw on a piece of chocolate. And there you go. You've got this gourmet presentation. Oh my God. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (27:01): Yeah. The other thing I was just skimming down through some of the recipes. I think it's awesome. You know, like in a, I'm looking at the slow cooker oats that you've got notes down at the bottom where you can, you know, make different substitution, you know, like I said, somebody in experience like myself may not, uh, may not be able to figure that out on our own. So it looks like you have, you know, documented some different things that people can do as well. Jeanette (27:27): Well, I try to make everything in it when I'm developing a recipe, I try to write it, not just for the most experienced cooks or chefs. I like to spell things out because way back when, when I would test recipes for the newspaper that chefs developed very often, the chef would forget to include the first step, which is cheat the pan with nothing in it for one to two minutes. Because if you want to get a proper sear on meat or, or fish, or if you want to caramelize vegetables, if you don't heat it up first, you're going to end up with a mistake, which is what happened to me when I was testing a caramelized brussel sprouts recipe. And the chef didn't include that step when I was more of a novice cook. And it, I ended up instead of caramelized brussel sprouts. I have Burt Brussels sharp, which not smell good in your kitchen. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (28:24): That doesn't smell. I think that is one takeaway that we have put into practice since we talked to you last, as we have started heating our pan before we put butter or oil or anything like that, just one of those little tricks I never, never, ever thought about. Yeah. Jeanette (28:41): And it's one of those things that makes it easier and it speeds the cooking process up. You can throw things in the pan, but it's going to take longer. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (28:49): Right. All right. Well, we appreciate you taking time again, out of your day to come in and talk to us. So any, um, any other thoughts on the cookbook before we wrap this up? Jeanette (29:02): Well, I think the, the, there are three things. Number one, if you haven't been to all the, in awhile, check it out and go with an open mind. Um, I would say when you go through the things that I love there, besides things like staples, like tomato pace, their produce is usually very fresh. I love their cheese, their meats. There's always an organic section. My family loves the organic grass fed ground beef. I love the fact that all of their seafood is sustainable. And then of course, check out the aisle, the AOS, the ILO specials. And if you're a wine or beer drinker or cider drinker checkout the liquor aisle, because usually that's really, they've got some really, really good wines there at very, very reasonable prices. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (29:55): Yeah. We're going to make a commitment to swing by there and check them out again and see what we can do. We'll take the cookbook along with us where, uh, we'll have it handy where we could throw together some of these good recipes here, Terry - Feeding Fatty (30:07): Just such a genius idea for a cookbook and just, you know, anything where you can just go and do one stop shopping and then make sure, you know, everything is fresh and, um, available. Just what a great concept. I love it. Jeanette (30:25): Well, I'm so glad you do. And let me know, after you've tested some of the recipes, which ones are you? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (30:30): Okay. So, uh, you know, we ask everybody, what is it, a habit that you have, and it could be in the kitchen or just personal, but what is something that you do every day that really adds a lot of value to your day? Jeanette (30:45): Well, I try to pray. I think that's important whether I'm driving or walking. Sometimes that's the only time I get to center my mind and focus on what it's, what's important. Um, I have a dog, so most days I have to walk her, even if I don't get in, uh, a personal workout where I'm actually sweating, I have to walk the dog. Yeah. And I think it's also important for your health and wellbeing to get outside and get in some vitamin D if it's available, because sometimes it's not sunny, but even if it's not sunny, it's good to get outside in nature, even if it's just your city block. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (31:25): Yeah. All right. Well, thanks a lot. So tell everybody, how can they reach out? And I, I, that's one thing I forgot to ask you, has this book released already? Yeah. Jeanette (31:34): Yes, it has. It has. And we can say it's the best-selling book because it was for one week, the number one in its category on Amazon. Thank you. It was, that was very exciting. Um, so it is available and I will send you the link where people, if they buy my cookbook to actually pick it up, pick up the free, um, the free entertaining with all the booklet, which I'll also send you since besides vex cracked up the two recipes there that did not make the book that I would have loved our, my glazed bacon recipe, which my son loves. And then there is an ingenious cheese trick for pairing with red and white wine, which is you take a fresh cheese like ricotta or Bharata or fresh mozzarella or Chev, and you grate pepper on it. And you also zest lemon on top and the lemons us and the black pepper pairs, both red and white wines together. Absolutely perfectly. And it's something you should definitely try. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (32:47): Awesome. That sounds good. So, uh, tell her, can, uh, tell everybody how they can reach out and get ahold of you. And of course we can go to Amazon, but I'm sure that you have these available on your website as well. Jeanette (32:59): My website is Jeanette hurt.com and the book is available. A good place to go as to Ulysses press, which is my publisher. Okay. And that's also where you can go to get the free copy of entertaining with all day. And the other place you can find me is Jeanette hurt author is a web, a web page on Facebook. And I also am on Twitter and Instagram, not as often as I'd like, but it's by Jeanette, hers. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (33:31): Okay. Yeah. Cause not only, you know, do you want to pick up the, uh, the Aldi book, but also look through these others, the West concent, cocktails, cauliflower, comfort food, the joy of cider, a lot of good stuff that, uh, Jeanette has put out there. So we appreciate that y'all stopped buying a pickup. One of these it'll enhance your dining and entertaining experience for sure. Yes. All right. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Of course I am Roy Terri Janette. Thank you so much. Jeanette (34:04): Thank you so much for having me back, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Do You Grocery Shop at Aldi Jeanette Has a Cookbook You’ll Love (34:06): But you can find us of course, at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media networks and a video of this interview. We'll be up. Um, once the, uh, episode is released, you can also find us on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not on one that you listen to regularly, uh, please reach out. We'll be glad to add you. So until next time, take care of yourself. www.jeanettehurt.com www.feedingfatty.com
Our Initial Steps Into Plant-Based Eating and The Amazing Results So Far with Terry and Roy Roy and Terry started eating whole and plant-based foods. They discuss how and when they decided on this lifestyle change. The turning point came after interviewing a podcast guest author who wrote about his weight loss and type 2 diabetes reversal. They did further research on the health benefits of eating plant-based foods and are continuing down this path. About Roy and Terry After years of weight, health and fitness challenges, Roy Barker and Terry Mallozzi made a commitment to changing their eating habits and implementing realistic fitness goals for them. They chronicle their journey for health on the Feeding Fatty Podcast speaking to experts about related aspects of health challenges (type 2 diabetes, hyperthyroidism, hypothyroidism) losing weight (need to) and staying positive (easier said than done). Little did they know it’s not just counting calories and cutting out sweets. www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (00:15): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far Terry here. So, uh, we are the podcast, of course, chronicling my journey, our journey, uh, you know, we probably haven't done that as much as we should have been, you know, we started, and then we got really had a lot of interests with guests. And so one thing we're going to make a commitment to basically start, uh, you know, just doing some episodes with me and Terry Moore to basically put out there things we're doing, how we're feeling and what's going on in our life too. You know, we just want to, if there's somebody out there, somebody else that's struggling out there, we want to be a resource for them and, uh, you know, get some conversation started. So I guess with that, let's just jump into, you know, kinda what we're thinking about today. Terry (01:02): Okay. Well, go ahead. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (01:04): You know, okay. I don't know when it started, but it's been a while. Uh, you know, I've been struggling up and down, you know, we started, uh, eating a lot, well balanced back in the, uh, fall of 2020, and then it just got to be such a struggle to cook that much. And, you know, we were spending two or three hours preparing food and it just got to the point of craziness that, that, and then, uh, you know, our schedules Terry - Feeding Fatty was traveling and just first one thing and then another, and kind of got off whack and, uh, I've, you know, had a rough time in my sugar for the last, I don't know, month or so has just been, uh, my blood glucose has been outrageous, crazy, and it's just been hard to control no matter what I do. So anyway, Terry (01:54): You want to remind everybody, you are a type two diabetic and have been for how long Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (02:01): Diagnosed for probably about four years, three or four years, you know, and I've done better. I've done better at times, but, uh, you know, this I've, you know, this last week I've had some sugar readings that were over 200, you know, some of them approaching high at 300, which is just not good at all. And, um, I've never had that much. I've never had that kind of trouble with it. You know, usually if I can watch my intake, I'm pretty good. But it's the only way, some things kind of converge. We've been talking about this for a couple months about, you know, protein and, uh, dairy yeah. Terry (02:39): Dietary things to help us get healthier as opposed to medication. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (02:45): Yeah. And, uh, we're not first off, we'll be clear. We're not doctors, dieticians, nutritionists. We're just people, you know, we tried to put different views out there. Everybody needs to find their own path, but we always recommend go, go to a physician, go to a registered dietician nutritionist, get some help. Don't do things on your own because you, you know, things can go bad for you depending on what all is wrong. So anyway, first off that disclaimer is to, you know, go try something. I mean, to, uh, uh, go see a doctor, but, uh, anyway, we've been talking about this plant-based and then we, we had a gentleman that we have an air D episode yet, but he, um, we have him as a guest on the show and we started talking about a lot of things and it was just interesting. It really reconfirmed a lot of things that we've heard other places. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (03:41): And so basically we've just decided to give it a try. We've gone pretty much totally plant-based I think, uh, you know, last week was a little more difficult. We still had, you know, some beef and chicken in the fridge that we were working through. Yeah. Cheese is a big one, cause that's a big trigger for me. Snack food, uh, yogurt. Yeah. The cheese is always kind of a go-to whatever we ate had a ton of cheese in it or on it. Yeah. Or just as a snack. So anyway, uh, but we've had good results. It's been, uh, you know, it's only been two weeks. Oh. And one thing I was gonna say is we're still gonna continue to air guests that have a wide range of views just because this may not be for everybody. And so we we're, you know, we're not trying to pigeon hold to say, Hey, our way's the right way. We just want to say, here are some different thoughts and different things. And, uh, you know, try to talk a lot about nutrition and, Terry (04:41): And this is the right way for us right now. We may decide later on that. It's not, but this is what we're trying. Now this is present Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (04:50): And that's it sustainability, you know, we're, we are searching for something that is sustainable for us to do. That's a combination of, you know, like today she prepared, uh, some, uh, well, we'll talk about that in a little bit, but she prepared a cool dish that took a little bit more preparation, but when, when we don't have time, we can eat raw vegetables and fruit. And so far the other thing that we're doing too, I think it's good to talk about is this intermittent fasting. And so we have been fasting, uh, we try to eat our last meal at seven o'clock at night, and then don't eat again until lunch so far, uh, today, you know, it's Saturday, we had a full taping schedule and I don't think we ended up eating until like two o'clock. So I wasn't starving or going out of my mind, used to, uh, you know, prior to this, if we didn't eat breakfast by seven 30 or eight o'clock, I mean, I thought I was going to pass out from lack of food. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (05:49): And so that's been, uh, you know, the nice thing about this is with this fasting, I've got more, I can go till noon. Not saying I get a little hungry every now and then, but it it's been a, it hasn't been near what I thought it would be. And I feel like, um, the other good thing is it makes me quit eating. So I'm not eating before bedtime. And then it makes it harder to get up in the morning, just feeling full and sluggish waking up. And you know, now I've been waking up much earlier, feeling much better being there Terry (06:21): Who are popping out of bed. Yeah. I mean, whereas before it was like, I think we've reversed roles for some reason. Cause I'm just, I just want to stay in bed and get that last 30 minutes in, but you are just popping out and go Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (06:37): Got to a point that I just, I would wake up in the morning and feel like I had a rock on my stomach, just so full and bloated from the night before, from whatever we ingested. And it's not, it wasn't always bad, but it, the quantity of it. And then of course, you know, with me beef, chicken, any kind of protein like that, it's always heavy on my stomach. So anyway, it's been positive. The other thing, my work and my blood sugar down, it's not awesome better this week than last. But the one thing I've noticed is the consistency is I have not had these humongous spikes because, but you know, used to even, uh, you know, when I tried more of a higher protein, low carb, I would still get some spikes through the day and now we're eating probably, you know, we're not even tracking, but I'm sure we're eating a lot more carbs than what I was eating, but it's, it's because we're mixing it with fiber. Some things we've learned, you know, along the way I think too, is that, uh, most people don't get enough fiber if they're not careful. And, um, anyway, Terry (07:45): We're getting that. Yeah, it's a whole new ball game Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (07:52): And it's been good. I mean, I have nothing but great things to say about it. We're still trying to dial it in, you know, one concern that I always have with plant-based is enough protein. So, but we were, uh, you know, this dish that Terry cooked for late afternoon today was it was a Tempe dish, Terry (08:11): A lemon, garlic, Tempe, and, and I was just Googling, you know, like you do. And, um, it came up and I thought, okay, these are the ingredients that I have every one of these ingredients. So this is what we're going to have. And, um, it, you fried fried up the Tempe slices in coconut oil, and then you, uh, blanched some kale, which kind of sounds disgusting, but, um, blanched kale, but that's what was in it. And then it had some gin, fresh ginger root and, um, lemon juice and, um, a little Stevia, um, and just, it was real garlic and garlic, of course. Yeah. But it was good. I mean, it, it didn't taste like, uh, I don't know. It did, it kinda did taste like chicken a little bit. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (09:02): I thought it was like chicken strips was what it tasted like. And you know, none of the thing I think we may try is to put it in a vegetable, um, one of those vegetable contraptions and throw it out on the grill and just see what that, you know, cause that's the thing is, uh, you know, with plant-based, especially if you're like me and don't like vegetables that much, it's the thought of, I just have to eat broccoli and cauliflower all the time. Not necessarily true, but you have to be adventuresome. And you know, I have to give Terry props for this about, you know, trying this new stuff and looking around because if you do the same old thing every day, I'm sure you're gonna get, Terry (09:38): You can only eat so many salads, although I know you enjoy enjoy salads, but I think that's what I don't get full enough just with a salad. I don't know. I don't know why, so I need a little something else. I mean, if you can throw some pumpkin seeds on, you know, Ron, some kind of raw nut or, um, the chickpeas, the little dried chickpeas things that we've got, those are good too. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (10:02): Something else we found is that, and no snacking, the other thing we're doing is just eating that noon meal and then eating again about six or seven, but not snacking in between. And you know, I caught myself the other night going over there and getting a handful, even though they were chickpeas, it was about 10 o'clock at night and you know, it's Terry (10:20): And, and you stopped yourself. Thank you. You went right to, he went right to the cupboard, got it. Dug his hand in. And then he turned around and looked and I just looked up at the same time and he's like, I don't need this. I don't need to do this. That was a big moment Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (10:39): Because I was working on something and I just needed a little break and I thought that would help me and I did need it. And you know, I felt better about it, but the good thing is, is I don't wake up lethargic in the mornings anymore. And you know, I, of course, I'm just saying, habits have gotten so bad. The last few months was adding to it, you know, eating heavy stuff, eating it late at night. And, uh, so that that's a big contributor. The other thing, uh, we haven't done that. I'm going to the gym as soon as we get off of here, but haven't been into the gym in a couple months and that's kind of killing me too. I want to get out. And do you remember those two people's names? We watched their YouTube yesterday. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (11:23): It's okay. There's the conductor Barnard. Yeah. He has a couple of good presentations on YouTube about this, him and another one about talking about, uh, especially diabetics and the, uh, the glucose that's built up in our muscles. And you know, I've talked about that with Terry prior. Uh, there would be times when, especially when I'm heavy, if I go work out in the backyard, I just feel like my muscles hurt. And so maybe that's got something to do with it, but anyway, I, I don't necessarily work out to lose weight, but I want to, um, you know, work out for the physical activity to be healthy. I'm miss sweating and you know, we've with the pandemic. And, uh, we've been really overloaded with podcasting here, the last, uh, you know, three or four months that we just don't get out. And it's been winter too. We're kind of working out of that, but, you know, the days are fixing to be nice. We've got to make that conscious effort to get out and take those walks. It's good to clear my head, but also, you know, just to get up and move, we've got to get some, I think we have to get activity in as much as totally. Terry (12:31): And then I, and I see a difference with you whenever we, you know, whenever we get out and have, even if we just have a few minutes, we'll take the dogs for a walk or we'll, they'll take us for a drag sometimes is what it ends up being. Um, but I, I noticed a huge difference in, in whether you do that or not. And, um, I mean, it just brings another spring in your step. It's another spring in your step. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (12:57): Well, and the reality is I have felt so bad the last couple months, just way down, you know, not feeling hot anyway. And then, you know, just not feeling like a walk. So it's nice to kind of be feeling energetic again. But, uh, Oh, I know we were talking about protein and so, you know, that's a big concern with this is, is, are we getting enough? Uh, and I don't know about all the digestive systems and how opera animals operate different, but you know, one analogy somebody made was the elephant is the biggest mammal on earth and it's got a plant-based diet. So obviously there's enough protein, but I think we have to be careful where we're getting it, which is really cool at that tempo that you cooked is, I think you said it was like 25 grams of protein. And the other thing I think it's good to clarify at this point in the juncture is that we are not saying no meat ever again, never, never, ever in a million years. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (13:59): I think, you know, Terry got hungry for a hamburger the other day and I'm like, look, I'm not. So she was going out somewhere. I said, just pick you up a hamburger and eat it. You know, you got to feel and do don't feel well for us. We don't feel like you can't do something. Do what you feel like if we feel like we need to eat a piece of fish one day, we'll do, we'll probably limit it to fish and try to do more of that. But, uh, we are keeping an open mind. That's the other thing I kind of probably fudge a little bit on from being total plant-based is, uh, you know, I still like my dressing on my salad, my ranch dressing, and, uh, I'm sure that's got some milk and eggs and a lot of other stuff in it, but, um, you know, it's just an adaptation of trying to be pretty, you know, pretty solid on the, so anyway, we'll see, I think the other big, unless you have anything else about that, Terry (14:55): I was going to say, I did not get a hamburger. I came back with ZOS kitchen place-based and that was good Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (15:04): Training. Yeah. And that's good. That's the other thing, I think that it's scary in the beginning of this, as you think. Okay. Well, if we want to take a break and ever go out and eat, where would you go? Most restaurants, you can order a veggie plate or do something. Uh, but this is, those was good. And, uh, Terry (15:21): And they were very helpful. Um, and, but I do have to tell you, I do, uh, I do crave chocolate, but I am a chocoholic. I consider myself a chocoholic. So I do, I need something sweet. I think I need something sweet. I don't know. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (15:38): Well, and I haven't had that craving. And I think, you know, for me, I'm all or nothing. If I try to eat a little bit of this or a little bit of that, then it's like, I'll eat a lot of those. Whereas not having anything, I haven't felt the cravings to want the candy bar. You know, I'm not going to say that there's been a couple nights when it would have been nice to have our bowl of popcorn as we, you know, watching the news or something like that. One thing we used to do, but again, it was drowned in salt and cheese, so we could have it. It's not that it's not plant-based, but, uh, trying not to eat it that late at night. I think if we had it during the day would be perfectly fine. But again, now it's like, I know I'm eating two meals. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (16:23): I want to have a good, healthy, you know, full meal. Yeah, yeah. But, um, anyway, the other thing we wanted to touch on quickly is, um, Reiki, Ricky, Ricky, Ricky. Yeah. So I've never done that. I've never even been for a massage, so I don't know much about it, but Terry actually went for her first session this week. And it's cool because the young lady, the practitioner, she's a very highly educated and been through a lot of the training and the, um, mentorship that they have to go through. But, uh, she has to be a friend of Terry 's daughter as well. So Terry (17:07): Yeah, so I've known her for a long time. Growing up, she went to high school with my oldest daughter and, um, she, you know, I, no questions were off base or at, out of the realm of where she was going, but you know, the whole energy thing, I've kind of stayed away from it because I know a little bit about energies, but not enough to ask any intelligent questions, I didn't think. Yeah. And, and I'm glad, um, that we called and talked to Peyton because she really answered a lot of questions and made it not such a huge deal. It's like, okay, this is what's going to happen. And maybe you'll feel you'll maybe you'll see some colors while your eyes are closed and maybe you won't and you'll feel some heat. Maybe you want it doesn't matter. Everything's okay. And I did, I felt a lot of heat I did, and I couldn't see what she was doing because I had a little thing over my eyes, a cover over my eyes. But, um, I, I felt heat where wherever she was putting her hands, I could imagine, I think that's what it was. And, um, it was really a cool situation and I've had many massages and I have always loved that. And I felt like I did after I had a massage because there was no massage technique in it. I mean, there were pressure points, but, um, I felt as, um, com uh, not con I just, I just felt a release of toxins, intention, all of that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (18:45): Well, I'm going Thursday, this next Thursday. And so I'm excited cause I've never done anything like that. And you know, we're going to give it a chance and give it a few times. But the great thing is to Peyton has agreed to be on the show. So what we're going to do is have her come on, I think she's going to let us both get through it, and then she's going to come on and be a guest so we can talk about it again. You know, we're not this, we don't want to present one main view and say, this, this is for everybody because everything is not everybody's individual. Sometimes it's our personality. Sometimes it's our place in life. Sometimes it's our medical, underlying medical condition. A lot of things make us go in different directions. But I think the, the thing, what I would hope would come out of the show the most is that, uh, everybody can find something healthy to do, and you just have to do a little research on it. And like I said, seek out professional help and guidance in making sure that it's right for you. Terry (19:43): And, and yeah. Make sure that it's right for you is the key and, and trying to attain the balance between, you know, your, your energy, your diet, everything. Yeah. Um, it's so important and it's just, whatever is customized towards you. It's not our way. Isn't, isn't the highway. I mean, our way is what we're doing at the present moment to get healthier. And, um, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (20:09): Not to say that we may do this for a while and find it unsustainable. Terry (20:14): Yeah. Somebody else could, could come on and we'll be like, Hey, we might want to try that out. That's how it is. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (20:20): But I think right now, you know, with all the evidence that I've seen, not only on, uh, high blood pressure, diabetes reversal, uh, the inflammation, our brain health, I mean, just there's so many Terry (20:34): Fibroid is on my, I have, uh, been on thyroid medication for a long time. It's the same, it's the same thing. It just touched on everything. Yeah. That is with us. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (20:44): Yeah. And it's, well-worth, uh, you know, we're not gonna be heavy research based, you know, we may present some stuff I guess, but, uh, you know, I just recommend everybody reach out and try to find these YouTube videos and just see for yourself. That's all you can do. But one thing we're going to do is try to do these spots. Uh, hopefully we'll try to start doing these once a week on Thursday released and still, you know, have our professionals and our guests that come on release on Tuesday. And then we'll release a little shorter episode, Thursdays, just, you know, what's going on. And, uh, you know, we want to keep this, keep what we're doing in front of people. It may be something that, you know, somebody else ends up trying and you can also reach out, you know, we've got a Facebook group, we just don't have much activity over there. We've never really, I guess we've never really pushed that a lot, but you know, reach out on Facebook and start a conversation. We'd love to have it if, uh, you know, we want to hear what's working for everybody. And as we go through this journey, of course, we want to find out new and different things about plant-based and things that you know, could help us tremendously as well. Uh, anyway, I guess, unless you have anything else, that's all I've got. Terry (21:59): Um, yeah, this is really good. And now I, I don't, I mean, I think this is good. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (22:06): All right. And you may have heard the dogs chewing on a bone in the back. Terry (22:10): Maybe we'll feed them between now and then. Cause that's what they're telling us. It's time Roy - Feeding Fatty - Our Initial Steps Into Plant Based Eating and the Amazing Results So Far (22:14): And this'll be a lot. Um, you know, I think with guests, we always want to be a little more professional and, and have a better atmosphere, but I think these little talks with us, you know, you may hear see dogs in the background. That's going to be a lot less, a lot less formal, just more of a conversation about what we've got going on. All right. Well, if that's it, that's gonna do it for us. All right. You can find us, of course, at www.feedingfatty.com. We're on all the major social media networks, go over, check out our Facebook group. If you've got something that you want to say, we're also on Instagram, uh, be glad to interact over there. Uh, send us your pictures. We love pictures about dishes and recipes and things like that. Always helpful. So until next time, Oh, also major podcast platforms, Stitcher, Google, iTunes, Spotify, go over, check us out, share give us a good rating. 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Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position with Paul Glover Selfcare is a must in order to be the best leader we can possibly be. Days can be filled with adversity and many decisions coming at you rapid-fire. It is much to get enough sleep, eat right, exercise, and practice gratitude in order to perform at the highest levels day in and day out. Paul also has a great story and is very transparent about his journey. About Paul I am the No-B.S. Work Performance Coach. I’m based in Chicago but I work with clients throughout the U.S. I am also a “recovering” trial lawyer, an unabashed Starbucks addict, and the author of Workquake™, a book dedicated to those in the work environment seeking to not only survive, but also to thrive in the Knowledge Economy. In 1994, Paul was a successful federal court trial attorney. In 1995, he was a convicted felon, serving 7 years of incarceration in Federal Prison. How Paul and his family managed to overcome the personal and professional setback he inflicted on himself and his family and how he built a successful national coaching practice is Paul’s personal case study about overcoming adversity and setbacks through resilience and grit. Paul’s messages to those who hear him speak is: “we don’t succeed in spite of our losses, but because of them” and “before your life can change, you need to change.” Through keynotes and workshops, Paul illustrates how those faced with setbacks, either personal or professional, can develop and use resilience, mental toughness and grit to take the challenges they face and transform them into growth opportunities. www.paulglovercoaching.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:00:00): Doing is we chronically my journey. I am on a journey to get healthy, get fit, get in shape. And so what we do, we talk a lot about our individual situation and Terry - Feeding Fatty support of that. But we also have guests professionals from time to time. And today is no exception. We've got an awesome guest, Paul Glover's with us, and his message really resonated with me. So I just felt like, you know, we really had to get him on the show. He is the no BS workforce performance coach. He assist organization, team leaders and teams to reach their full potential and become high performing. He's also a recovering trial lawyer, which we'll let him talk about that for sure. Uh, Starbucks addict, uh, Chicago's bears fan. He is the author of work quake. He's also a speaker on business and leadership topics and a member of the Forbes coaching council. Paul, thanks for being with us. We are excited to have you with us. Paul (00:00:58): Yeah. Thank you so much, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position and Terry - Feeding Fatty, it's a privilege and a pleasure. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:01:02): Yeah. And you know, um, I think what resonates with me and, um, I meant to tell you pre-show that, um, the last, since we talked earlier, you know, it's really been resonating with me about not only the healthy part, just for Terry - Feeding Fatty and for having a much better life, but, uh, the point you make about it enhances our leadership qualities and makes us better leaders and also helps us to set an example. I mean, I think that's such an important message that, um, I think sometimes we miss that. We, we always think that, you know, we're no matter what condition our body may be in that we're operating at the maximum capacity and that's just not true. Paul (00:01:50): You're absolutely correct. It is. And it's amazing to me, how many leaders do not make the connection between their physical soul and their mental self and how both of those have to be aligned before you can lead a high-performance team and before you can be a high-performance on your own. Uh, so yes, part of my coaching process is to remind that person that is in a leadership position, that there is an obligation that they owe to their team to make sure that they are doing self care and self care we're supposed to the physicality, as well as the mental aspect of, of who they are and what they need to do so that they can perform at that high level and help people and other people, uh, reach their potential. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:02:40): Yeah, because there's just so much that's coming at us every day. And, uh, I tell you, uh, there are days that after it's over, I feel, uh, as washed out as if I'd have climbed a mountain, you know, just sitting here thinking, and sometimes I kind of jokingly say Terry - Feeding Fatty, I'm I'm, I over-thought today. You I'm kind of a little bit sluggish here and when we get through, but it does take a toll on you and everyday, lately. Paul (00:03:06): Oh yeah. I think that the pandemic has added that extra layer of, of Mead to first be aware of the toll, the emotional toll that the pandemic is taking, and it was not good bet. It actually has nothing to do with the impact on you. It has to do with the impact on other people in our society. And as we interact with them as leaders, whenever you have an interaction with a team member, if you're doing your job all the time, that interaction is over, there's been a transfer of energy. If you're doing your job, you hopefully are giving that person a jolt of energy. Uh, but at the same time, you're taking stress off of them by doing that and adding it to your own burn. And we often forget that and that at the end of the day, we not only have our own stress, but we have that accumulated stress from 10 members who are suffering through situation that we're trying to help them with. Paul (00:04:07): That, you know, one of those things about let's separate work and life. We keep talking about this weird balance that we believe exists. And I think that pandemic very clearly showed that our work in our life is integrated and that it's stress in our life. We don't get to leave it when we go to work. And so it comes with us as a team leader. We have to be cognizant of when a team member is starting to suffer from the amount of stress in assist them with wellbeing. Uh, and but when we do that again, we achieve them rate their spots and you need to do something with that bottle. I, to think what people to do is it's so gratifying when I feel like I've had a tough day, the first thing I should do with the pie I deserve, I've worked hard to get that pie. Paul (00:05:00): It tastes good. Somebody made it and I'm going to eat it, or let's, let's get more serious. I'm going to drink, uh, over eating and drinking are two things that I've seen increased dramatically among leaders, just because they are trying to alleviate the stress that they've accumulated now, worst way to do it ever. Uh, I actually believe that that increases stress. Oh, how again, because your body now has to deal with what you're doing to it. You have the stress may very well be mental and physically are you psychically dealing with that emotional, but when you start taking that and abusing your physicality, then you start over eating then over drinking and not exercising, not sleeping enough. Well, guess what, we now have that double whammy. Yeah. And the reality is that it just, it destRoy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Positions your ability to be an effective, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:05:56): I would assert as a, as a stress eater. Um, I've not, you know, fortunately I've never been, uh, you know, a big drinker, but I am a big eater and, you know, I don't, I think it satisfies us without dealing with whatever that was. So I think, you know, just for the moment, yeah. And we accumulate, well, not only if we are, are we accumulating the excess weight? We're probably are, it's harder for our bodies to digest, to, to use that. But then we really haven't dealt with that underlying issue. And the other thing I was going to say right quick is I, I, I don't know about this because Harry is very supportive, but I would assert that it's the opposite that we can carry our home life over into our work life. So if we don't have that squared away, you know, there's really no separation. It, it, it, at the end of the day, it all just really blurs and runs together. Paul (00:06:51): It does. And again, the pandemic I think has because of what it's done with work, right? It's eliminated 40% of the workforce from going away from the home to actually do their work. And that's a shock while people, I mean, I'm much, if everybody whines about the fact that they've got a commute whines about the office, reality is that it's an escape for some people, they get to meet the home environment and go someplace else where even though they have a job, the reality is it's a much different level of responsibility and stress. A job stress is still there by the way. And obviously you've got a bad team leader. You will suffer as if you've got a bad marriage. It doesn't go away and you paid that price. But most of the time people go to work and, and they're okay. Yeah. It's, it's a change of scenery and they appreciate that. Paul (00:07:43): The pandemic of course eliminated that. And we weren't able to adjust real well. That's why, when I hear about people who want to go back to the office, I know I can tell them things are normally not going well for you because you should not want to go back to that back page. Right. That's the way I look at it. We are still managing officers with an industrial age mindset, right? We're, we're all about. Uh, and by the way, I look at it, unfortunately too many, too many managers as if they were prison bars. And by the way, and I'm going to, obviously, we're going to get to the fact that I am an expo. And so I'm real familiar with prison guards. And I could tell you that there are supervisors at vantages who would, if you gave them the, the, uh, the uniform and the club, that's exactly what they would read in the workplace. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:08:35): Wow. Nope. You're ex you're exactly right about that. It, and for Mo you know, I guess, uh, it's off topic a minute, but it just say that, you know, that comes from not having good hires. You know, when we don't make the right hires, you know, we feel like we have to stand over them. Where when we give, we make the good hires, we give people the tools. They should be, you know, there's, uh, saw something the other day. It said, you know, they should be telling us what to do, not as telling them what to do, they should be. And I had a team builder that I talked to on the business show the other day. And, you know, she was talking about a lot of times when we hire people, we feel like they drag us down because we have to now manage them. But that's a bad hire. We should be hiring people that push us forward and really help us accelerate all again, off topic. But I do understand, you know, what you're saying about the, um, know that prison analogy is that, you know, watching the clock, what time did this guy come in as a time to let them out for lunch yet? You know, can we let them go home? Just Paul (00:09:39): It's. One of the biggest complaints about working from home is that we don't trust people to do the work. And therefore we put surveillance on the theater. Uh, we don't try. We just know we, we feel like we've got to watch the, you know, the bucks have to be in the seats so we can watch the blood work. And the reality is out of an eight hour day, but butts only do 2.5 hours. So apparently it's not working well. Yeah. It tell you that that system does not engage people. Uh, Gallup does the research, 35% engagement across the United States. And by the way, we celebrate that as if it's a victory. It's not a victory. It's a defeat when we have that many people, 65% of our workforce, that it, that are not engaged. It's not working. I scream, I cannot understand readership that when you said about how you hire people, you're absolutely correct. We don't want to be managed anymore. People find it offensive and it's with the exception of one group, but we were going a little bit off topic. I know that's not what we're supposed to be talking about, but what the reality is that that, that, that mindset of I'm gonna manage you is our cake. Yeah. And therefore it causes people to do one of two things, the absolutely stress or be rebellious, and either way you get less productivity. Yeah. Yep. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:11:06): Yeah. And that, you know, for me, of course, we don't have kids, you know, we're at that point in life that it's the two of us and we are pretty responsible adults most of the time. And we could sit and do our stuff. And I actually thrive at the house because I don't have the interruptions of being in an office. And I jokingly say that, you know, 20 years ago when I went to an office downtown, uh, I thought it was really cool. You know, you go out for lunch, go out after and have a drink, but then it got to be, as it started, it turned into a social club. And then, so I'd start shutting my door because you know, what happened was people would come by and want to chit chat all day long. And then at six o'clock I'm like, yeah, okay, well, I can start my work now because I've had all my socialize. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:11:53): Well, I shut the door. Then people would just bust through the door and actually got where I put a chair in front of the door where they had to have a little more effort anyway. So again, way off, let's get back to getting healthy. So let's, let's talk about some first steps. Um, you know, we talk a lot about not only our diet, but sleep and I've admitted, admitted to you that, you know, sleep is usually the beginning of the downfall for me, for the not exercising for the not eating. And then it's like bad decision-making and then it's like maybe even a little bit of a shortness. So anyway, let's talk about how sleep affects us, you know, in, in our leadership roles. Paul (00:12:33): Well, again, uh, the research and I am a research week shows that if you don't get enough sleep, and when we already believe we know how much sleep is enough sleep, we know we continually trick ourselves. We believe we can get back, but we still think we're in college. It knows what to call it. And I'm going to cry. I'm going to stay up all night and cram for the test. Uh, and then of course we think we're going to do well on the test. And reality is we don't, uh, so sleep sleep they had in performance are intertwined. You can't escape it, right? We, we, our body needs a certain amount of rest. And by the way, I look at it, it's not just some rest. It's a certain kind of risk. You actually have to get into REM sleep. And that requires the environment, allow you to do that. Paul (00:13:19): It also means that you've got to distress enough so that your mind stops race, uh, because it is a, you come home and, and hopefully, you know, and again, I think that people say, well, three or four glasses of wine and, and I'm good to go. I can, I can lay down and go to sleep, but not tell them that is not good sleep for you. Right? So, so the reality is that if you don't get enough sleep, your level of performance is that a big drunk driver, you have lost the ability to be in full to a certain degree. You are, you are waiting to have an accident. You're waiting to make them wrong decision. And you had said it, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position, you get sure, right? Why? Well, we're tired. We're tired. Every everything becomes more acute for us, right? We're, we're, we're more aggravated by a situation we're aggravated by people. Paul (00:14:13): Uh, when I was a practicing attorney, I made sure that my client was never sentenced in the afternoon because I knew that by that time, the judge who probably cranky in the morning was out only cranky, but he was tired and he would look at the hip and my client differently. And I guarantee you, because research shows it, he would give out a stricter sentence now. Huh? That's just the way we operate, why we get tired? And once we get tired, we don't like people that they are a nuisance to us, push them away, deep members, can't it. And by the way, team members are pretty astute, right? They're not stupid. They say, Hmm. I can tell them that the boss is not in a good mood today. The boss is tired of it. Stay away from him. Don't tell him the truth today, because that's what it amounts to guess what that situation that needed to be discussed and taken care of. Paul (00:15:10): Doesn't get discussed because the boss is tired of it. Oh my God. This is a recipe for disaster. Yeah. So yeah. So the sleep aspect of it when I talked to my clients about this, because I believe that it's a part of my obligation to point out the obvious. I tell people I make, I make my living off of pointing out the obvious. We know these things because when I asked you what you should be doing as a client, they'll tell me right away. And then the question is, are you doing it right? And that's where we get the hesitation. Why? Because they're trying to figure out candy telephones more than a lie to him, right? You're like when we go to the dentist and they say your, and he'd go every night, I probably got tired of saying that. I said, no, I don't loss. Paul (00:15:59): And he said, well, you should. I said, I know that, but I don't. What do you want me to tell you and write to you again? So anyway, he said no, by a flossing machine, instead of the threat, actually that works. Ah, that's what I look at with, with my clients. I go, let's talk about what is going to make you sleep right? And we had that discussion. Uh, you have to have a sleep environment. It has to be dark. Uh, you have to not eat or drink when you go to bed. I mean, there's this whole list of things and them. And then, then of course, a part of my job is to say, if you agree to do this, so you can be a better leader. I'm going to ask you when we talk next, are you doing no? And I had a pretty good in time. Paul (00:16:45): And if I can sense that you're lying to me, we have a different discussion. Right, right. But what people are willing to try step by step. So, so back to that, I don't want to overreact to the sleeping thing. We put the door in one of the aspects of self care, but it's a very important one. The people don't pay enough attention. Yep. My son is a perfect example. They have like, they have a mattress that I wouldn't let a dog walk. And I talk about, I said, I will, you need, you need a better mattress. I'm just, my dad mean it's like, you're sleeping in a hammock. You and I know that it impacts him because I can tell when he's had a bad, night's sleep so bad back on time. So, so there's a whole list of criteria that I will be with people being a better leader. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:17:30): I think it's important on the sleep is, uh, like you said, it's, it's more than just laying down or being in the bed at night and waking up in the morning. There's a lot we need to do to prepare ourselves for that rituals. Yes. Yeah. And I'm going to, I'm going to turn this up just a little bit where Terry - Feeding Fatty can, Terry - Feeding Fatty, can you, well, Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:17:50): You know, but Oh no, this is a setup, Paul (00:17:55): Which you said the magic. She said the magic word enrichment. Yeah. We need a sleep ritual that we follow just without fail. Why? Because that's how we get to the state of being able to sleep. And part of that has got to be how you do stress from the deck. Yeah. And, and meditation is something that most leaders know about, but feel, it's it feel it's girl, most of my clients are male. And when I talk about some of their stuff, they're like, well, you know, our old, you want me to do yoga naps? Maybe. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:18:32): They could only dream of being girly. Paul (00:18:35): Exactly. I told them, I said, well, players [inaudible] bounce. So stop reading this stuff. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work, can you try something else? But buy it open-minded enough to try it. But the ritual is extremely important. Same type of bed every night, turn off the devices. Or know what if the president of United States wants to get in touch with him, believe me, the secret service would get there. Those world. You don't have to stay awake. Wait for them. All right. So, so it's important to turn off the devices. People will leave their notifications on, make me nuts. You really need to hear the Dean have another text at midnight. Yeah. Don't do that anyways. So yeah, we've got a whole, a whole situation, but that's extremely important to in Richmond. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:19:26): Yeah. I th I thought that was the setup part. Cause I we've been trying to not use our phones before we go to bed. You know, I like to go through there and check out the social media and look at the hits. Look at the jokes. Look at now. Paul (00:19:43): Oh my God. It'll keep it. Yeah. I, and I know that everybody has their own methods too. And I've got mine. My wife and I, 10 30 is cut off. I've trained myself to work 10 30. I don't care. What's going on. I'll tell people, you got to want it. It better be the weekend because I've got to get up in the morning and I've got a five o'clock I'm more. Yeah. And I've got to be prepared to go through six or seven hours of coaching. And the last person of the day is entitled to my complete attention and energy level is the first person I to do that if I'm tired. So at 10 30, everybody goes away and we go in and man do the brush and floss. And then, and I turn on Perry, Mason. Oh yes, this is my red school. Paul (00:20:35): Can I go? I don't want to see any of the beginning of permits. I want to get to the core because I can't, I don't practice them. We're right. And it was sorry, as it may seem watching Barry, basically everything, it would be 10, 15 minutes. I've gone. That's how I do it. It takes my mind in a different place. Right. And it's not necessarily entertaining. I think I've seen them all like six or seven, eight times, but it just got a trick with trips, the trigger, right. We're constantly tricking ourselves to do the right thing because we apparently can't do it on our own. And it might go in and I don't turn it on. My wife goes, turn on, turn off during this. And by the way, she hates paradise and she knows that I'm going to go to sleep, but then she can do whatever she wants. It doesn't matter. But anyway, that's the rich, you know, I'm also up at five o'clock in the morning. It does. It's not five Oh one and I don't need an alarm. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:21:33): Yeah. Now I think he made a good point about your clients. And I, I, I guess we, we can put this in the, every manager's point of view is that the very last decision that we make of our Workday, we should give it as much time, attention and thought, and we should have the right attitude and be in the right place as we did for that very first one. And so that, that's a big deal if we think about that, but let's, uh, talk about some other points of self care. Uh, you know, sleep definitely for me is very important, but what are some other things that you talk about? Paul (00:22:06): Well, and you know, my experiences, uh, it is, I tell them, I, again, there's a research that shows if you're the CEO or president of an organization, you may have the same personality as a serial killer. And I believe that I was as a trial lawyer, you got some of that. I mean, that's just, that's what the followup probably was confrontation in combat. I mean, it really is. The judge is there to keep you from killing each other and make sure that you abide by the rules of the game, but it is exactly that. So your mindset is, is really very much about winning at all costs. I, and by the way, uh, the concept is for every hour in court, you've got a trial, you've got four hours of preparation. Oh, wow. And when you're in trial on trial, you've got to leave that courtroom and go back to wherever you are and air the next day. Paul (00:23:02): Because once you're on trial, you may go through your four weeks in this year, four or five days a week, depending on the judge has scheduled. But it is there's no, there's no relaxing, right? So I would actually get a room downtown. I have, since I practice in federal court. So I didn't have to commute back and forth. But the reality was that there was no way that any lawyer that I knew that was probably, or could keep up that pace, uh, without, without hell. And at the time, uh, it was drink yourself a you can sleep right. And drugs, cocaine was the drug of choice for me. And, uh, obviously you can't do that warm before it starts to have an impact on your ability cook for, but it would get you through the day. Right? And so at some point go, uh, I was disrupted self-destruct. Paul (00:23:53): I tell people that self-inflicted wounds is, is where I got all my stars, but most people, other people have given them scars. I would give myself stocks. Uh, and I did that. And I think there were a lot of leaders do that. They, they don't be the softer thing. They do just the opposite. They do self abuse and they believe that they should get away with that. Well, my, uh, my self abusing days, and then when I went to post, because suddenly my life changed overnight, I went from being the guy that was in charge. It would be that hard drive driving attorney that had that win, win situation at all costs, including cheating. Uh, I had that self abuse when it came to alcohol and drugs, and I hit a, an environment that, you know, there's all sorts of prison rules that I have that I developed that actually they had carried with them when I came out. Paul (00:24:47): I don't think anymore. Definitely don't do drugs because I found out the first, it turned me into someone I didn't want to be. And second, it has an impact on you physically and mentally. And I just don't have enough of that. Well, uh, I've got to be able to protect what I've got now, but when you show up and it doesn't, and the first thing that, uh, that they tell you is you ain't running nothing and that's the case. And you don't want to be a lawyer to most in prison because the experience is not a pleasant. And the warden made sure that the first day I showed up, we had a personal conversation that was after I had a full-body cabin search. And the easy told me in no uncertain terms, if I find out that you're helping anybody else with their case might find out you're breaking the rules. Paul (00:25:34): I will send you to the higher security prison behind the wire, where you'll be with the real bad who was in prison. And it's not a holiday, believe me, but it certainly isn't. There will be guys who have been convicted more. Yeah. Uh, and so my deal was don't make my time any harder or any longer. And from that point on to make sure that prison for five and a half years, it didn't destRoy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position me. I went into self care, just no drinking, no drugs exercise every day, every day, seven days a week. I, the track walking, doing weights, all the things. And I never would've considered doing in my week prison practice wouldn't have done it. You couldn't have convinced me. Uh, and, and I survived five and a half years and came out of prison in better shape and nine. Yeah. Wow. Mentally sharp. Paul (00:26:31): Uh, why I took the Medicaid, I met dish. Uh, I did, uh, I did philosophy. I did the mental things that kept me, kept me curious and alive and vital in a, a prison setting. Uh, I tell people the worst part about this and is how boring it is. And it is long pieces of time that it was absolutely boring, punctuated by violence. And you've never know when there's going to be that whole situation. Yeah. So you have to be a world because you don't know what the guy next to you just heard from his wife. Then maybe he got the dear John letter that, and that guy is now ready to explode and give him any point whatsoever we will do. But with the boredom is what you had to deal with. And I dealt with it by keeping myself entertained because prison wasn't going to entertain. Paul (00:27:26): So when I came out of prison, I had a routine that I, that I then applied to my life back in the world. And he got into coaching. I said, let me make sure that what I'm doing has relevance to my clients. And it turns out that it has absolutely does so that when I talk about self care, I talked about the experience that I had then, and I have now because I, the guy that gets up and goes to work as a team leader is required to do all of the things we talk about taking care of himself, but taking care of the team, right? And at some point it takes a total. It's all about how are we going to remedy the toll. And that has to occur in a couple of different ways, work the best and for when you're not at work, but it also has to approach art because I tell people, you need to watch the matrix because we all are a battery and we get up here good morning. Paul (00:28:27): And we hopefully are fully charged. Now we're not fully charged. Let's have the discussion about why we're not right. That's because, because we ate too much, we grabbed him up. We didn't get enough sleep, whatever it may be. Uh, so we need to be fully child. That means let's stop. Let's look at the night before. But from that point on during the day, you are slowly losing your energy out of that physical battle. And that, that starts to impede the mental process, the decision process, by the way, the workplace does not care. If that's what's happened to you. Yeah. They don't care if he had a bad night of work bad, and I had a sweep level, they don't care if it's been a bad morning, none of that matters to the workplace, right. It just going to keep coming. And that's your job. You either, you either decide that's my job and I'm going to do it to the must of my ability. Paul (00:29:18): And if that's true and you believe that, and you accept your obligation to the team, as well as to yourself, then you need to make sure you were on peak physical and mental vision. Just like an athlete. That the only difference is we don't get the practices waiters because we're actually doing it every day. We don't, we don't six days and then perform on but seven. And that gives the athlete the advantage. And by the way, every, every athlete I know has a coach. You know, whether they have a coach, even though they are professionals, they still need to get better, right? The situation around them, the team they're going to play. The person on the other side is getting better. They have to get better too. So, so for leaders, they have to continually not only be in the moment they have to prepare for the next month and during the day, the battery starts to, it starts to lose its power. Paul (00:30:18): That means that during the day you have to do what you can to re-energize yourself, how you do that is as important as what you did the night before. Are you getting are reading correctly? Well, let's go. Let's all go out and have, uh, a, uh, a McDonald's big Mac, uh, the large order of fries, because the small orders never enough. Can we have 32 ounces of sugar and water? Let's do it. Let's let's really have a lunch. That's going to kill us off where we close, where we cut back. I don't care what you think your body's saying all the blood that used to go to your brain. So you can make a decision has now gone to your stomach because we don't have a choice. We got to deal with that alone, down there. And guess what? That's, when you start to become dumb. Paul (00:31:10): I, you know, it's a curiosity. I believe that most decisions, depending by the over the track list, the don't wonder is our after watch, we have the three o'clock slot. I don't mean I can tell you all of the things we already met. So when I'm talking to my clients, it's about first stop that, stop that eating and breaking that is to you in the afternoon. Not telling me not to eat, but I'm telling you that you have to be cognizant and buy it all the time. If by the way people are like, you're just like the Grinch. I mean, when do I get to have some fun? Okay. Would you have them as long as you're willing to tell me the cost, all I want to know is the cost. And if you're willing to accept the cost, then one of two things, either I have to question whether or not you should be the team winner, right. Or you have somehow managed to work it out. Somehow I'd tell me, tell me you've got the magic wand. Right? Cause I like to hear that, but I don't see it. No, one's got it yet. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:32:15): Okay. I was just going to say no, no, you're fine. I was just, you bring up a good point. And um, uh, you know, I have to put myself out there on this one and that is a big thing for me. It's like when, uh, when we're eating right. Uh, I feel a little bit, I feel a little cheated. Let me just put it that way because you know, I was like, and my favorite example is not long ago. Uh, Terry - Feeding Fatty fixed an awesome, it was salmon and asparagus dinner. And we had enough for lunch the next day. And I, I didn't realize that. So she was out, she called me, said, I'm heading back home. When I get back, we'll eat. And I was like, Oh, she's going to stop and get us a, uh, was so excited. She goes, stop at the Chick-fil-A and she going to get us a chicken thing. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:33:04): And some of those fries sandwiches, and the next words out of her mouth was, yeah, we've got that salmon and asparagus. And I, I will not lie to you. I just deflated all the outlet. I saw it through the phone and it's, it's so bizarre that, you know, I let food, uh, drive that emotion. And you know, so one thing that we talk about all the time is we're trying to shift that mentality from food and fun, you know, to food is to live. And then we should find other things to be fun. We could still go out with friends, but we don't have to eat all the, you know, the bad stuff that is around that. Or we can get a veggie plate or a SA I mean, there's things to do if you really think about it. And the fun is going out to be with friends and socializing. It's not because we're sitting there stuff in our face with something live to eat, it's eat to live. Yeah. Paul (00:34:02): I believe that people look at food as a reward. And if I be sure, because I've been good all day long, I deserve a reward for that. And the reward is going to be like I said, hi. Yeah. So, so we have to have that mental cheat, by the way. Let me tell ya. I am a terrible eater. I, it, in Italian beef and sausage sandwich, that's like my blood. I need it. Right. I tell her I'm half Italian. I, every once in a while I got a grease up. Well, it's every once in a while it's daily. And when I do that, by the way I have, I, you know, I, I continually trick myself. That's the only way that sometimes I'd get there. Right. And one of the tricks is this ring, my wedding ring when I am eating poorly. I know because I can't get it all white. Paul (00:34:58): I mean, you swallow up smaller because of the sodium and the rest of that grip, your dad, Ray will be tight. And I know. All right. Just dumb. Exactly. Right. Thank you. See right away, you sound like my wife dumb today. Yeah. I can't get my ring off. Yeah. Well, that's that Italian beef. We had last review. And yet it is, it is, it is truly just changing our mental outlook on food. Yeah. W we don't need as much. Oh my God. The proportions in the United States, please go. Any place else in the world. I love pasta. And the deal is, if you go out to a olive garden, if you've got it, they get whatever they have. They give you a meal, plus a meal to take home. Yeah. That go to Italy, you get about a quaint, you get something like that right up in a pitch in the Palm, your hand, it's delicious. And it's enough. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it started hitting. We can't turn it off now, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:36:01): You know, and we're so conditioned, at least, um, in my environment growing up and I'm not blaming people for it. I'm just saying, this is just the way it is. It's that? So, uh, you had a bad day today. Well, let's go out and get something to eat. That'll make you feel better. Or it's like, um, Oh my gosh, something went great today. We'll, let's go eat and celebrate. You know, it's like, it's like trying to deprogram a little bit from everything revolves around that food. It should revolve around, you know, our conversation in our relationships. And we can figure out a way to be more healthy and still do that too, because I'm, you know, and I, again, I'm saying I'm guilty of that. I feel like, Oh, well, if I can't go out and have the fried appetizers and the big old, whatever the meal is, and maybe have a couple drinks, well, then I'm just not going to have fun. And that's, that's not true at all. Not true at all. Paul (00:36:54): Well, and I've found that I'm an automatic either. If I've got it, I've ordered it and I'm, well, it was just really going to taste good, but I'll get engaged in the conversation with someone and I'm still eating. Right. They haven't stopped. And suddenly I realized I've had the entire dinner. I didn't taste any of it. It's just gone. And so, so you're absolutely right. Why would we go out? We should be going out, not, not to dinner, even though that's our socialization. Yeah. We're going out for the company. We went out for the, the vet entertainment, whatever it may be. So, yeah, no. And let me get the last one, because it, it, obviously the exercise is huge and everybody has to be dedicated to exercise. Like I tell people once again, these are, and by the way, I'm a strong believer in developing habits because when the habit you stop having to make the choice to were terrible, given the choice between the pie and the salad, I take the pot. Paul (00:37:55): However, if the pie is not even there, I don't do anything but the sell. So I removed the term age. Right. And we do that through the development of habits and good habits. Exactly. Remove temptation. We don't think about it. I am. I, again, once I get to the exercise part, uh, at five o'clock and then the alarm goes off, my exercise goals are, are at the side of the bed. I get dressed and I'm out the door. If I were to stop and turn on the computer or look at my wall, I never make it to the gym. Right. And so I refuse to do that. I've developed a head and I'm fine with it. I go, I do my, and come back. I get my coffee. That's my reward. By the way, I believe in rewards. I get my Starbucks. And then I actually looked at my phone. Paul (00:38:42): I refused to look at it until what, because then I'm ready to start the day. But we've got to develop that. And exercise is one of those things, absolutely critical. A hybrid form. You have, your body has a body needs to move. That's built into us, right? I mean, the whole concept of who we are is so connected to the physicality of who we are. And if we forget that we can get that. I don't know how many thousands of years we still are as that, that, that prehistoric guy coming out of the cave, getting ready to go hunting veteran. It's all about being physical and you can't ignore or avoid that, or you pay the price. And the issue is more to pay the price. And again, I go back and I connected to being the team leader. If you want to be a leader of a hyperchloremic team, you are the model. Paul (00:39:37): Therefore you have to perform at that level also. So that's your obligation. You tell me, you want to prepare your observation. If you're doing, you have to exercise. I also believe that even though exercise at the beginning of the day, the end of the day, whatever you want to do, the concentrated exercise is important equally as important is what are you moving? Are you moving during the day? Because again, we are wearing down as the day goes on. Are you getting up after every 90 minutes? Because that's what the research shows you cannot focus well, more than 90 minutes, get up and do a physical activity. What do I recommend walking? Yep. Go outside. Outside. Well, we had been getting the vitamin D being outside is refreshing to your body. The air smells good, right? It's not the air conditioning. It is fresh air, but as best as it can be, and you do the wall 15 minutes all the way. If you want to take a call while you're on that, because I got some guys who just can't build it that way, take the call. Just don't stop moving. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:40:44): It's especially important. Now that everybody's working from home and they're just sitting in their chairs, fixed to their desk and do it. Yes. Yes. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:40:55): Well, and I will say that I, when I started wearing my step counter watch, and it's embarrassing to actually admit this, but in our house, when I would stay in and work all day, I could end my day with less than 600 steps. I mean, it's just, yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous. And so we really have to fight, but that is something that we've been doing, uh, some days easier than others, but try to get out and go for that walk in the morning, just to 10, 15, 20 minutes, nothing hard. Just taking the dogs out. It gives us a good time to, to have some conversation about day and how we're going to start it, what we're going to, who's doing what, when and where. And, uh, you know, I told her, I guess it was yesterday morning when we came in, I just felt so fresh and vibrant and ready to jump in and tackle things. It's just amazing how that makes me feel. Paul (00:41:50): And that's how it makes everybody feel if they do it. And I, as I am today, assuming that it's not a blizzard out, there's a woods close to us and my wife and I go, and we do a 45 minute walk through the woods specifically through the woods, because I'm a believer in what they call forest washing. Well, if you've thought about it in that, but it's a Japanese thing. And they have the research shows that when you walk through a forest, it has a different impact on you than if you're just walking. And that's about the trees. There's this whole thing of interconnectivity with trees and how, if there was a forest, if it is an environment that's being created and the reality is walking through there, it actually is like a wash. Your can wash. You go over, you will wave. Now. I am a big believer in stuff that I know works. And I know the walking through there not only refreshes me, but it actually makes me more creative. Paul (00:42:53): When I walked out of that forest. After 45 minutes, I'm usually I've got two or three things that suddenly are apparent to me. I, you know, I knew a point to the day, every day, it goes out to my subscribers and I'll come out of there with three or four points. It just something that's working in my head that suddenly is available through this process. And people were like, that doesn't work yet. You've got to go and really do. You've got to commit to it and, and commit to it a couple of weeks. And before you you'll notice, when you stop, that's not good. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:43:27): That's an interesting concept because we live in a very wooded area and I'm the same way. You know, it scares her when I go walking by myself, because when I go out, I'll come back. I'm like, Oh my gosh, I got like five great ideas. Get your pencil and paper out. And let's talk about this stuff. And she's like, yeah, Paul (00:43:45): But I truly believe that that, that is a part of this process that we don't understand the Japanese do. And like I said, it's called horse washing. I recommend that. And people like that, no, I'm not going to do that. Okay. Then just get out and walk in the center. I don't care where you're walking close to the trees. That's true. Look at the trees. But the reality is that that during the day we need to reenergize and you don't want to take, no, everybody does a coffee, but okay. You're artificially stimulant. So by the way, I, it Starbucks fanatic. I've got it in my Bible. I won't stop. If I'm not doing five of them a day, it's not a good day. That's crazy. And yet I can show you the health benefits of coffee got this. My wife would say, yeah, let's stop. Paul (00:44:39): It's so important that you're overdoing it, but don't just go to the coffee machine because what's going to happen is you're going to engage somebody. It's not going to be at 12, go outside, take your cup of coffee with you. Walk, get some exercise, come back in. You'll feel better. You'll be more alert. And by the way, I love the concept of the afternoon. Now it's just not realistic. You know, the whole concept of 20 minute nap. If three o'clock in the afternoon, it makes absolute sense because it, it can't be any longer than 20 minutes. You're going to run to sleep. So the reality is drink a cup of coffee, take your 20 minute nap. And how do you wake yourself up while we've got own? It's got an alarm on it. I mean, I'm kidding me and wake you up and you get up and move a revitalize, but we're looking for that push for the end of the day, right? Because that's, again, if we're not doing these things, we start to make that decision. And nobody is going to say, if your boss walks in and says, I need an answer on this, are you going to say, well, wait till I get a good night's sleep. Paul (00:45:45): They're like, what are you talking about? That's true. So, so yeah, those are the things. And again, I wish I could tell you there's something revolutionary, but if it was, I would have written a book and retire. No, these are common sense approaches that I don't believe most coaches are willing to address the clients because they think that's too personal. Yeah. It is absolutely connected to performance. And I bill myself as a no BS workplace book performance call, I'm going to talk to you about your performance promise. I'm going to start at that basic level, not how you're interacting with anybody else, how you're interacting with yourself, or are you taking care of yourself? I don't believe you can take care of others if you don't take care of yourself. Right. That's right. That's been an underlying theme lately for all of our speakers. So there's Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:46:41): The other thing I wanted to tie into this rack quickly is just, uh, you know, you said earlier, if we make these habits, they're not decisions anymore, but I think we can go a little bit deeper into that for just a second, that the amount of decisions that come at us every day, we have to develop these routines and habits. And, uh, your old friend from Chicago, the ex president Obama he's famously for having, um, and you can tell it better, but I think they're all gray suits and the same ties and everything. So he just says, look, I got hundreds of decisions I have to make every day. You know, when he was president, the last thing I need to do is decide, is this the right color tie to go with this shirt to go with this coat, with these shoes and these socks. Yeah. Paul (00:47:30): And you're actually growing it. It's called this decision fatigue. Yeah. And you're right. Let, let's eliminate the, the necessity of making the decision. Right. And by the way, we, we, if, if we keep having too many temptations, we inevitably make the bed. Right. Right. And by the way, that's also beads in the delegation of the issue. Because when I started listening to the decision, we're making one, like, seriously, you're being paid. How much to make that decision. Right. That's that's not yours. So anyway, but you're absolutely correct. And so eliminate the decision-making process, reduce it, take it away. And by the way, I I'm, uh, I'm, I'm really huge about talking to my clients about big rocks, which are the big rocks that you are, you are required to move. Because if you're telling me that you're not spending your time and energy on the big rocks, 80% of the day, you've got a problem. Paul (00:48:32): You can't move the big rock, otherwise getting rid of the locks. And everybody's like, well, how do you make that decision? I may actually come up with a big rock, a filter. And that everybody has to, when you, when you say to me, I'm going to take one, a task, a new task is like, let's go through the big lock filter. Well, wait a minute that doesn't, that's not a big rock. It's not attached to a big rock. It's not anything that has to do with a big rock. Maybe change locks, because I'm all right with you telling me, this is now a big rock, but by the way, that's not what you're telling me there. I had a guy across of a company that occupied his time looking at t-shirts that were going to be handed out. Oh my goodness. I don't have any problem with you looking at two or three t-shirts and picking the one you like, that should be like that. Paul (00:49:22): Oh my God. He was involved in the manufacturing similar from China. Oh my gosh. But, but by the, well, see, he liked that he liked doing that. That was the simple, but I said, so let him, and I also believe time audits are required from time management. Therefore, every one of my clients has to do a monthly time on it. At the end of that day, then we do 24 hours. We then take a look at how you're spending your time. And that's where I get to say, that's not how you should be spending your time. Yeah, no, like when you don't understand the, I absolutely. Obviously you don't know how to say no. So let's talk about that, right? Because we can't say no, you can't read a team can't we, it, uh, so, so let me get one more thing that I missed last time off people, don't take their vacation basically crazy. Paul (00:50:18): You've got five weeks of vacation. You worked your butt off all year, and you're not going to take your vacation because people won't think you're interested in work that you've given enough of yourself to the job, but you shouldn't take your vacation. Americans leave 30% of their vacation hours unused, and they don't even get paid for it. In most instances, you really, to revitalize by getting away from the work environment, going someplace, I don't care where it is go someplace where it's different lecture. So be relaxed. My contention is you need a week before you relax that decompression does not take place overnight. The concept of getting to wherever you're going is usually worse than, Oh my God, did we pack the Paul (00:51:21): All home along? Wait a minute. One of the kids when the kids have done. So, so Ms. Russell getting there does not mean, you know, everybody says why I walk or who you're not, you're not all working to actually got where you're going to go. And then you can start. Yeah. And the deal is that's the time when your brain starts to work on interesting. It's not been one day, not the usual, by the way, if you're doing your emails and your, whatever, I have a client and I test one vacation and I send them an email. If they answer, um, they get an email back. What the, uh, are you answering this email? Well, I thought it was, God stopped baking to do that thing. You're on vacation and it required walk your life. You're doing that. Then you're not doing what a vacation school. Paul (00:52:22): Once again, revitalize reenergize, and hopefully give you a different perspective. What's interesting about country chattering was going to a different culture, not being in the American resort, but actually going out into the, what the baby is. Habitat is extraordinary to me about opening your mind. Don't [inaudible] we don't know American though. We don't like that. We don't like anything. Good. I mean, if it's not a handbook, but we know after you've been in Japan and had sushi like this in the bounds around, Oh God, a whole night, otherwise we need to go farther into the concept. Now that is so, so all of this is about making you better. So when you come back from the vacation, you absolutely are ready to be a better leader. Maybe more open to an idea, by the way, just a great book out by Adam Grant said that I can remember who babe it's think again. Uh, and I've recommended that to everyone in my coaching program, because he talks about the need to be thinking and rethinking how we do what we do. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:53:37): There's a lot of research out there. It was a first pointed out with children, you know, that we have them. So over-scheduled that they don't have the opportunities like I did that. You know, you walked out of the house on a summer day and you found the rock and a stick and you figured out something to do with that all day, we were a little more creative and I think it translates into our adult life. If we are so bogged down in all of the, you know, the daily stuff, how can you possibly be creative? And you know, me and Terry - Feeding Fatty have this conversation a lot that, you know, sometimes during the week we get bogged down, just, um, you know, producing things and get on them out the door that we really don't have the time to think about innovation and new and different things. So I, I can say from a personal experience, you've got to do that. You've got to take a few, take some time during the day, take some time during the week, make sure you get those vacations in because you will think a lot more clear and be much more creative for sure. Paul (00:54:38): Well, I believe that one of the traits of a good leader is being curious and you can't give cure lists, your stays look at the same thing. The same thing every day, your mind gets, gets that structured. You know, that's what we're looking at when the work is that work is all about being structured. And once we get in there, I mean, my father worked at general motors as a electrician and he hated being in the plant, but he was in Southern Indiana and was the best beans album in 200 miles. And so he did it, but they're there and they told him, Oh 45, when you, once you had leave your mind at the time, I don't want you thinking, we're going to tell you what to do exactly, do it. But I don't want you thinking about this doubt. I don't want you to about making the good, want to hear any of your ideas. Paul (00:55:32): And we like to think, because I love the fact that, that one of the arguments about coming back the office is how everybody's going to get together and ideate. First, I even hate the word we can all put together and ideate, right? And from there, we're going to have this innovative creative surge. Well, like it, I think it, you know, I'm not sure where this is supposed to happen, maybe in silicone Valley, but I'm not so sure about that. Either ideas don't go from the bottom up. They're forced on us from the top down. And so thinking that everybody comes together and has a creative explosion does not happen. In fact what the Mimikyu Nicholson, but he goes to their desk wherever it is. And then we're locked in on. Right. And so, but back to this time on weekend time, absolutely decompress. Yeah. Well that's when you should, that's when you should be more physically active, don't go out and kill yourself playing football, but we'll take that extra walk. How about that? Yeah. Yeah. I love people with dogs. A dog will make your, get up, go outside, right. They come to you with the waist and I'm like, dude, really? Paul (00:56:49): And I think that that's why we have to be forced to do this. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:56:54): Yeah. If we are, if we sleep past about six 30 in the morning, we got two of them that are sitting there staring nose to nose with Paul (00:57:12): [inaudible]. But those are the things that we need. We need to force ourselves up because how we are living our lives is not natural right now. There is nothing natural about how we live our lives, right? And therefore we are in conflict with who we are naturally in rehab to somehow resolve that conflict. So that we're, we are absolutely able to live a better life because that requires a lot of work requires a lot of attention, but it absolutely can be done. We know. And again, I know I'm beating the same drum. We know what to do, right. Why aren't we doing it? Well, it's hard work. Oh my God. Is that the worst things going, excuse me, worse than that is I don't have enough time. Like seriously, don't even start with that. That's not the problem. It's what you're doing with your time. That's a problem. So, so, you know, everybody's got the same 24 hour buddy. I'm sorry, but if you can't get your job, but we need to look at you back. Yeah. So anyway, but, but yeah, so, so we need that. We need to align and we need to live our lives according to not only our mental reeds, but also our physical needs. And we often wet our physical lead acts, second place realizing that the negative impact is going to have on our mental and our spiritual. Now Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (00:58:36): You are exactly right. So true. Yeah. I'm sorry. I got to go do my time audit now. Paul (00:58:45): Well, by the way, it's a 24 hour audit. Nobody gets, everybody's like, well, I'll just do it through my work. No, I don't even start with me. I want to know what you're doing for 24 hours, because you're going to tell me how much you're sleeping and how much of your time at home is spent working I'll guarantee. It's a couple of hours a night. Well, yeah, but you know, I had dinner with the kids and then I put them in the bed. And so what was I supposed to do? I don't know. But if you're telling me that the best thing in your life at eight o'clock at night is to read company emails, kill yourself now serious. Like, no it won't. Because all they're doing is killing yourself slowly. Get it over with just saying life is not worth living after seven o'clock. I got to shoot itself. Paul (00:59:33): There's Perry, Mason Perry. Mason is waiting 48 hours. Well, no. So if you're going to do a Taiwan to do it for the entire 24 hours in a half hour chunks, and you got a, I'll send it to you. And it's also an energy I, time is cool. Your energy level. When you're doing something is necessary, you've got to look at it and go, here's a score. I have low energy, by the way, the task that I'm doing during this period of time, it doesn't let me have more energy. I've got to be consequent. Ah, now we get to talk about what you have to do for that period. Immediately work that your energy gets backed up everybody. And by the way, I w I get so many good pushbacks are notorious, right? Paul (01:00:27): I'm sorry. You were telling me every day is different from what you do for a living. Because, because I, I would love that. I don't care who you are. If you're working in American offices every day is structured the same. You may be able to shove them around a little bit, but the duties don't change the past don't change. And you're stuck in that environment. So, no, I don't want to hear that. What I want to hear is that you're going to do this and become aware of what you choose to do would be aware of this is entirely up to you, but it gives us the conversation. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (01:01:00): No, that's, that's another great point is the self-awareness the minute we can become aware of how we feel at certain points or how things make us feel. Um, it, it changes, everything changes all of our dynamics Paul (01:01:15): And, you know, writing the deal is I look at people and I will, okay, unaware. Then we have aware, how are we going to get there? Well, there's ways three 60 reviews, a time audit, all sorts of objective information is needed to call somebody to say, I need, I need to change. So just me saying it to anybody, it doesn't really impress them. They're like, yeah, you don't want my life. Okay. Well, let, let me give me a glimpse. Give me the 24 hour or let's do a three 60 with your team to find out if you really are a fantastic communicator. I mean, then at the end of that, so we've got the unaware. Then we get the aware and then we get to the group. I love the best, the aware, but I don't care, right? Oh yeah. There is a group of leaders who will tell you flat out, I don't care. Paul (01:02:08): I'm not changing what I do. You know, my deal is the most difficult person to coach is someone who's successful. Right. They're afraid that if they change that, that they're going to be successful. Right. My argument is, you're not as good as you think you will. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Oh yeah. Half a wife is random. You were fortunate that the random part been too, right. Seriously, your lawn was working 120 hours a week. And believing that that's sustainable. Come on, man. Don't be stupid. And by the way, after, after he bucked himself, he admitted that he was wrong. Uh, and, but you know what the model works for awhile is the employees are free to go home. Oh no. And he's sleeping in his office. I can't go home because he'll think I'm not engaged. Well, he's stupid. But nobody would tell him that he needed a cost. Do diminishing returns. At some point you may think you're making smart decisions. You're not making your bed. Nobody even knows what you're saying. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (01:03:14): He's listening. Yeah, exactly. Well, Paul, we appreciate you taking time out of your day. I know we ran quite long, but it's just, uh, you know, it's a pleasure speaking with you and you have so many good insights. And, uh, we just want to try to soak it all up. Not only, you know, for our audience gets to benefit, but you know, me and Terry - Feeding Fatty, I've taken a lot of, I've got a whole two pages full of notes written down here. So, uh, but before we go, we always ask what is a tool that you use in your daily life that, uh, really adds value tool habit? Paul (01:03:51): Um, I may, uh, in the morning after when I get my Starbucks, I'm walking back to, that's a block and a half away. I do my gratitudes because I believe that positivity is too. And you are in control of positivity. If you want to think negative thoughts, you're going to have negative instead of positive. I need to reset realign my unwind before the day starts. And on the way home, I'm driving to the gym, I pray. And I say, well, you know, that's not you should. I communicate with my God in my way. And you know what so far, he has not hit me with a light. I don't care. Who's given me some hard lessons. By the way, my conversation with him is always, Hey, I've given you everything you need to succeed and you don't. Well, let's talk about that. He's got to buy cold gentlemen to see him walking, but I didn't talk to him. Paul (01:04:55): Uh, but, but the reality is coming home from Starbucks. I spend that walk doing my gratitudes. My gratitudes are always about what I have to be thankful for in my life, because often we start, we get how, how life is good for us. I mean, I, and you had said that conversation about him, very endemic is not the people. I am so grateful for that. So I do my, my gratitudes. I know my, I do my family and friends and I thank God through the ability that I have to earn a living, doing something that I care about. And that's that to me is the ultimate characteristic of a coach. You've got to care. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Selfcare is a Must In Order To Excel In a Leadership Position (01:05:44): Yeah. And I, I really enjoy, uh, enjoy your passion. That's why it's such a pleasure speaking with you because your passion for all of this really does come out. And I know you'd make, uh, you know, people in our audience, a great coach. So, you know, we want you to reach out to Paul, give him a go, Paul, tell people, how can they reach out and get ahold of you. Paul (01:06:03): I am such a simple guy. It's called paulglovercoaching.com. That's how you get you just get the dot-com [inaudible] well also on LinkedIn or we're coaching. Uh, you know, I don't do Twitter. I don't, I think that's where maniacs go to scream. Don't do that. Uh, but, but, uh, that, that's where you can finally, I've got a YouTube channel, home, global coaching that YouTube. So that's how people can
Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 with Elizabeth Di Cristofano Are you suffering from burnout? Are the long hours getting to be too much for you? Getting sick more often. It can happen to anyone and it can have a devastating toll on your health. We have to take care of our bodies to perform at the highest levels. Eating right, plenty of sleep, plenty of water, breathing properly, and of course exercise. About Elizabeth As a Functional Medicine Certified Health Coach, Elizabeth sets out to inspire women, specifically women over 40, to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and wellness has been in Elizabeth’s world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40. Elizabeth’s career was mainly in the apparel corporate world, working for companies including a New York designer brand and a Fortune 500 company. A career that was not sustainable and in the midst of her starting her own health journey she experienced burnout. Taking on a mind/body approach, Elizabeth started incorporating optimal nutrition, meditation, journaling, daily workouts and movement and practicing setting boundaries all in which helps her thrive in everyday life. But that was not always the case in her life. She battled an eating disorder when she was 15 which showed back up again recently and is just now in recovery. Elizabeth started building her own business in her forties and offers her services as a Health Coach to help high achieving and high performing entrepreneur female 40-60 years old who needs to operate at peak state in order to meet the high demands of corporate, family and social life - an area in which she is really familiar with. She is a host of an alternative health and wellness podcast called The Root Of Our Health, which ties in with her mission of changing behaviors by empowering entrepreneurial women in their 40’s and beyond to know their self worth! Even her message at the end of every podcast episode is “You are worth it” Her motto she lives by is love, laughter and to live la dolce vita! www.elizabethdicristofano.com The Root of Our Health Podcast www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (00:03): Hello and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. So we are a, the podcast that we are chronically in my journey through getting healthy. Terry is my support mechanism, of course, but you know, the challenges that we go through eating better, making sure that we are eating right, not cutting out, uh, some of our nutrients and things that we need, but also getting in that exercise zone and, uh, really sticking to it. It's been one of our issues as you know, we do good for a while and then fall off the track. But we also like to bring, uh, professionals to the show to talk about different issues that sometimes we don't know what we don't know, but sometimes we also may need a helping hand. And so today is no different. We have an awesome guest and Terry I'll let you introduce Elizabeth. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:49): Yes. Thank you. As a functional medicine certified health coach, Elizabeth DeCristofano sets out to inspire women, especially women over 40 to take back their life and vitality by getting to the root cause of their overall health. Health and wellness has been an Elizabeth's world for the last decade and has evolved as soon as she turned 40 Elisabeth's career was mainly in the apparel world, working for companies, including a New York designer brand and a fortune 500 company, a career that was not sustainable and had that bit in the midst of her starting her own health journey. She experienced burnout taking on a mind body approach. Elizabeth started incorporating optimal nutrition, meditation, journaling, daily workouts, and movement and practicing setting boundaries. All of which helps her thrive in everyday life. Elizabeth, thank you so much for coming on the show. There's so much to cover here, um, but we really appreciate you coming on and talking about your story and, um, your journey to help women over 40. Elizabeth (01:59): Thank you for having me on this is going to be great. I'm excited. So, Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:03): So you were in the corporate world and, um, did you have a specific health issue or many health issues? W how did, how did that steer you toward being an S uh, functional medicine, health coach? Elizabeth (02:19): Yes. Um, so the burnout actually took place, I want to say about five or six years ago. And that was when I was in the corporate 500, um, company. And it was at the same time, I was actually starting my own health journey, meaning, um, I was understanding more of the, you know, nutrition, like whole foods. Uh, I did actually the whole 30 starting that out, uh, took on, you know, uh, workouts or a workout regimen that actually worked for me. So when I started that journey and started seeing some great results, I got a promotion and that promotion to longer hours. Um, and it was only because I worked with overseas. So you had to be on very early and you had to be on at night when they are up. So it was literally probably, you know, like 18 hour days and, you know, it just all in one. Elizabeth (03:19): And then obviously, um, the work itself kind of got to me and I, um, I experienced, so what it was was just never ending, trying to climb, trying to, you know, like get my head above the water. Yeah, exactly. Getting nowhere. And I was crying a lot. I was sick. I was, I wasn't working out anymore. I wasn't eating. Right. And, um, I decided after, I think it was a year, um, in that promotion, I decided to walk away. Um, and I decided to kind of take some time off and it was then, um, you know, it was, I, it was actually, you know, going through that kind of taking the time off I knew, and I got into meditation, I think at that point. So doing that mind body after the fact, um, really helped because, you know, I, I'm still in that corporate world now. Elizabeth (04:21): I'm still I'm back into it. Um, and, but I understanding how to manage that stress a little bit. So only recently, um, I say that with a caveat and it was two years ago, so it was 41. Um, I, you know, my job right now is not that stressful, but I put a lot of stress on myself trying to be trying to achieve. Right. Right. So I'm like 40, I'm like, alright, I need to do something I'm going to do, you know, kind of be that achieving person. So I'm a high achiever. And when that was happening, I guess I just didn't understand how to manage that stress at the time. So I was, you know, I was getting very irritable. I was bloated. I was, um, fatigued in the afternoon. So the fatigueness really set in and I was coffee, like drinking coffee, like the two or three cups. Elizabeth (05:24): And that was, I was trying to like stay awake and, um, the sleep I think was okay, but I think it was more or less like, you know, always trying to be on always trying to do stuff. And I thought to myself, I can't have paramedic pause right now. This is, I'm not, I mean, I could, but I don't think I do and get just before the appointment. So when I went through that and he talked to me, like I was a person and like the language and everything, it just felt right. And so then we did some tests. It, it showed that I had a lot of toxicity. My B my B uh, vitamin BS were low. Uh, at the time I thought doing the cart, um, the carnivore diet was the thing. So I'm like, okay, let me do the carnivore diet to see if this helps prior to that. Elizabeth (06:17): And no, I'm actually predisposed to, um, uh, cardiovascular disease. So, uh, you know, cholesterol, my LDL was high. And, uh, it was just, you know, all of that, seeing all of that just like spoke to me. And it was like a ha moment. So he put me on a regimen and I went through, um, you know, like, I think it was a month of detox and it, it worked. So, you know, I changed my diet. I thought it was supposed to be all keto, low carb can't do well on carbs. Well, this was a detox. So I did, I was able to, you know, have carbs on it and just the digestion, it was like, I wasn't digesting food. So I had digestion problems and all of that went away. So I was like, ah, ha there's something to this. And, um, then fast forward, a little bit to about a year ago, I, uh, was, uh, you know, kind of bringing in for my job. Elizabeth (07:20): I was kind of like the wellness coach there, there, the wellness coordinator should say, so I was bringing in kind of, um, you know, teachers or lunch and learn, you know, people to come in from lunch and learns and everything like that. So I was talking to somebody and they said, well, you'd be a great teacher, or you'd be a great health coach. And I'm like, ah, ha. So I decided to embark on that journey of going into functional medicine, health coaching, and just recently graduated, uh, about a month ago. So I am here on this journey trying to help others, uh, just, you know, kind of avoid what I had to go through. Wow. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (08:01): Yeah. And that it's, I think as a coach, it's a benefit to the, um, to the people you're helping because you've actually been through that. And so you have that experience. So that, that always speaks to me. But the, um, also the, you know, well, we always say we're not doctors and you need to check with your healthcare professionals and we kind of go through all of that. You know, one thing that we have noticed is that it seems that in the traditional medicine, it's basically a, Oh, you got a problem. I've got a pill for you and not really well, you know, and I think the other thing that you said that was poignant was that you talked to your functional medicine doctor for over an hour. Uh, my, uh, experience traditional medicine that that's you, if you're lucky, if you went in 10 times, if you would get to talk to them for an hour in aggregate. So, you know, really taking that time to sit down and understand what is going on to try to address that, you know, that underlying issue. Elizabeth (09:03): Right. And that's the, that's the key to that root cause root cause. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (09:08): And we've talked a lot too. We, uh, we actually, uh, did a taping with the guests yesterday and we've had, uh, uh, Dr. Mike, one of our very first guests that came on the show. They, uh, they talk about, you know, food as medicine. And so I think that we, we kind of have to take that approach, especially the older we get that, you know, we need to eat things that are going to be good for us functionally. And, um, you know, sometimes these, uh, we've talked, we talked a lot about this too, is that we, you know, we got us a, um, uh, an app, so we could put food in because you would be surprised when you start cutting this out or this. And even when we thought we were eating good, there were so many micro nutrients that we were missing out on. It is amazing. And especially when you get older, like me, you know, those things will start affecting you more by not having those, you know, your eyes, your ears, digestion, brain health. That's another one that we've talked about as well. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:11): Well, I want to point out that he said, he's that, he's the one getting older, not us Elizabeth (10:16): [inaudible]. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:25): Yeah. So, um, so stress and burnout for women all over the board, as far as age it happens. And, and we just get so caught up in everything that, uh, you know, our health, you don't realize what it's doing to your health, as far as just everything that's going on in your life, the kids, the, um, work that just trying to say yes to everything we don't say no, you know, we just kind of keep going, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (10:58): Well, I'll put a plug in for you ladies that, uh, you know, cause I Elizabeth (11:05): Know I just, you Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (11:06): Know, I used to, um, uh, we used to work a lot in the senior living industry, more on the business side than, than the care side. But what, what we always found was that the, um, usually the daughter-in-law was the one tasked with taking care of, you know, the husband's parents. And so I, I guess I will just say is that it seems that, you know, you have a career, you have the kids, you may actually have parents. If you're in that sandwich generation, there's just a lot going on. And you know, I'm very thankful, uh, for Terry every day, because it's just, you know, our kids are older and gone, but she holds us together by getting everything done. And I know it's a lot of stress for her. Elizabeth (11:47): Yeah. And I, and I will say, yes, you know, kudos to not only, you know, it is because we take it on, you know, it is because I think that's what we we're caretakers. Right? No we're caretaker. And so when the generations now are not only caretakers, but now we're entrepreneurs. So now we're taking on the role of, you know, again being high, achieving being the, be the role model of, of, you know, I guess, you know, bringing home the bacon. Right. But, um, it's not just that though. I think being everything I think we, we take that badge of honor to be that wonderful. Yeah. Now I will say a caveat to that though. Things are shifting a little, I've noticed that husbands are starting to take the role of the, you know, the, um, at home dad, you know, uh, it's not, it's not widely, you know, there yet, you know, there's not a lot of men who do take that role, but, um, and I, you know, honestly I have my husband help in with whatever I need help as well. Yeah. Like roles have shifted since I took on taken on this health coaching and this podcast. Yeah. Um, I don't claim that much anymore. So I said, can you help me clean? You know, whereas a NASA thing you have to delegate. Yeah. No, we have to be able to understand that it's okay to say no, because we can't do it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (13:28): Yeah. It's not a sign of weakness. And I think that we, you know, men and women alike, we get into that, that are the other thing is the guilt. And we feel like it's selfishness, but you know, it's something I've been working on for a long time because I've read that, you know, as long as it's not hurting other people, it is not selfish for us to take care of us. And I was going to say that kind of gets back to, even if you want to be somebody that takes on everything, if you don't take care of yourself, you're going to end up not being able to take care of anybody. And so, you know, we kind of have to take that approach that we've gotta be healthy and happy in order to be able to take care of somebody else. Elizabeth (14:10): Right. And it's like the it's like that. And I think I hear it a lot. It's like that airplane level right now. So you put the mask on yourself before you put the mask on, you know, the loved ones. Yeah. There's a reason for that because you know, you're no good if you're, you know, burnt out or if you're laid up or, you know, or if you're sick, you're no good to other people right. Or debt, but you know, it, it, it happened stress is actually kill people. Right. You know, so, yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (14:41): So what are some things that you do to, you know, when you, I think, cause another thing, you know, these, a lot of this stuff ties together. You have to be very self-aware to find yourself getting into that spot. And, uh, you know, we were kind of joking about, uh, we had some equipment failure a couple nights ago and you know, I, I could feel myself getting, you know, anxious and excited about trying to solve it and the problems that he caused. And I just, you know, made the comment to Terry that, um, it's going to be rough for a few minutes here. Let me just work through this. But you know, when you, you have to be self-aware to realize that you're getting to that spot so you can do, you know, help yourself. So what are some things that you recommend that we can do, you know, when we feel that stress building? Elizabeth (15:26): Sure. Um, I first want to say stress is not all bad. So we got to get that out of our head. So with stress and then there's chronic stress. So the good stress obviously is, you know, you're preparing for a speech or, you know, you're giving a talk or, you know, something, you know, stressful that's happening. That's like an acute stress, right? So that stress you want because it kind of gets your adrenaline going and it gets you excited. But that chronic stress is when it's kind of the overwhelm, it's the, you know, I'm not getting out of anything and it's just, you know, keep piling on, keep piling on. Yeah. The first thing that you have to do, and I agree with you, right, is that you have to be mindful of that stress of it coming on, because if you're not mindful, it takes control over you. Elizabeth (16:19): Now, the first thing you have to do once you're mindful of that is breathe. I mean, that's, it, it sounds so simple, but just imagine just, you know, when you're stressed out, when you were stressed out on Wednesday, where was your heart or would your breathing shallow or even going to pop? Exactly. So that's what happened is that you stop, your breathing gets shallow because your heart rates going and you're just not. So when you don't breathe, you don't get enough oxygen. Should you change your mind to think clearly? So your amygdala is that fight or flight, you know, going on. And so the first thing you need to do is breathe. And what I'm talking about is not just like breathe that shallow, breathe, read your, you know, from the diet, from the stomach. So read through there and do that maybe four times and just that deep breathing. Yeah. And that'll come and get you back because you're in sympathetic nervous system. That's where you don't want to be. Um, so the parasympathetic is that calming state. So when you breathe that gets you back in there and then you're able to, Oh, okay. Think through what's going on. Um, so that's, you know, that's the first and foremost, the second thing is, um, you know, unless you guys want to talk, you know, you know, what's your take on that? No, I think it's, uh, it's interesting because, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (17:50): Um, I've done a little bit of yoga. I'm not a Yogi master quite yet, but you know, that's one thing I kind of learned through listening and watching is that we would be really surprised to understand all of our functions, that, that breathing can help and control and being mindful of the breathing too. But, um, I used to have a sign that hung over my desk that, you know, had things that I wanted to do that day, you know, like break a sweat, uh, drink my water, get my sleep. But I had breathed on there and people used to laugh and say, he got to tell yourself to breathe. And I'm like, yeah, I really do, because it's not only stress, but sometimes it's intensity. And where I learned this was, I used to do some martial arts and, um, the sensei guy would walk by and he'd be tapped me on the shoulder and say, it's okay, take a breath. And then we went to a, uh, painting paint, you know, where they have the instructor at the front of the class, 20 people out there. And we're all telling, you know, she's telling us what brush and what color and we're, you know, going through the emotions. And she walked by and told me the same thing she walked by and she said, it's perfectly okay to breathe while you do this. And so anyway, that kind of cued me into the fact that when I get intense about something, I quit breathing. Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:10): Yeah. I definitely quit breathing. You're you're pretty good about noticing though. I mean, you, you might have a couple of hours and, and, and then you're, then you realize, Hey, you just come back down to earth and, and I hold it all. I can't even get to the point to where I can notice it. I mean, Roy's like, look me in the eyes. It's okay. Breathe. And I'm like, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. Elizabeth (19:43): Yeah, no, I was just going to say, so if you want, I can go into a little bit more of, um, you know, what to do to combat this. Is that okay? Awesome. Okay. So the second thing is, um, along with breathing is, um, take a time out, um, meditating, you know, it kind of goes hand in hand really, but not really. So meditating is really being in the present moment because a lot of times when you're stressed out, you're either thinking about the past, um, or you're thinking about the future, you're worrying about the future. So being in the present moment kind of again, calms you down. Yeah. So, and I'm not saying that you have to like, you know, do go get a pillow and say, you know, you can actually do all that. You can actually do it, you know, at your desk at your, you know, wherever you're at. And just kind of like, alright, I gotta be in the moment, you know, um, w you know, stare at something, look at something, look at, you know, uh, I don't know anything in your, in front of you, and if you're outside, that's even better, but, you know, it's, it's just mainly getting into that present mode. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (20:55): Yeah. And I think, uh, for me being in the moment too, it's, uh, sometimes okay. If you're, if, if you're working through a stressful situation, sometimes it's snowballed. So the longer you sat there, the more it builds, the more it builds. And so, you know, like the other night, what I was trying to do is just say, okay, I'm going to sit down and work on this for a minute, but then I'd be getting like, okay, let's take the dogs outside and walk around. It was night. So we couldn't go for a walk, but had it been in a, you know, on a day like today with some sunshine, if I would take a 15 minute walk, it seems to really clear my head and put me back to where I can start thinking clearly again, I love taking a walk that just really does. That is kind of my, uh, I guess that is my meditation where I can breathe and think about other things, look at the beautiful surroundings that, you know, and maybe even that kind of goes to, uh, gratitude. Maybe I can start practicing that little gratitude, like, you know what, look at all these beautiful things that we have, whatever this problem is, we'll solve it. It's going to pass just, you know, you just got to figure out the way through. Elizabeth (22:03): Yeah. That's beautiful. And that's exactly it like getting out and outside, in nature, out in vitamin D and that is meditation because you're literally appreciating what God has given us. Right. You're appreciating that though, the problems that you have rather tragic or not is small compared to, you know, what's out there. So it's kind of appreciation gratitude. Yes. All of that is, is key to managing it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (22:37): Yeah. And that's what kinda makes you, Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (22:40): Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, you just kind of have to check yourself and if you can see that you are just one mind, you are not the focus of all, everything you are not really. I mean, you know, well, except for you, that's right. You know what I mean? I mean, just everything you are one piece. Yeah. You know, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (23:07): Also too, I think what makes me kind of feel silly and very selfish when you get away from it, as you like. Okay. Um, I'm kind of bent out of shape about this piece of equipment here, but there are people that are struggling with life and death and health issues, and there's so much more out there that I should be feeling lucky that this piece of equipment is my only real problem with that. Terry - Feeding Fatty (23:31): The things that are working and just be grateful, be gratitude right there. Just thinking more positively focusing on that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (23:40): Yeah. And sorry, I'm going to interject one more thing because that's, you know, that's something that, uh, you, I had talked to, uh, my priest is an awesome guy. And so I had talked with father Darrell. This has been a while ago, but one thing he always told me is that, um, our mind is like a grinder. And so it's always grinding constantly 24 seven. And so, uh, but we have control over what it grinds. And so, um, trying to replace those negative thoughts with the gratitude and the positive, I feel like that's what kind of shortens up that cycle of stress and despair and kind of moves you back over into reality basically is that, you know what, this probably isn't as bad as you were making it out to be just a few minutes ago. Elizabeth (24:27): Yes. Yeah. That is key. Yes. Yeah, exactly. That, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (24:32): Because we typically, you know, we ended up being what I think we can end up making things go the way that we think it, as long as we're in that despair, and this is bad, it's unsolvable, or it's going to be hard, then it, it makes it more complicated to where maybe we turn something into that that really wasn't where if we can step away and say, you know, what, if I can't solve it, I can find somebody that can then all of a sudden we're on that positive path to actually trying to fix the problem. And you're delegating, Elizabeth (25:03): Delegated everything. Everything is, figureoutable the, a lady Marie Forleo, um, to wrote that book and it is true. Everything is figureoutable, you know, um, and yeah, it's, it's, it's the stories that we tell in our mind and their stories. They're, they're just made up stories and we're, again, the peanut app future that we don't even know what's going to happen. Right. So it is like, again, going back to that present moment, okay. How can I figure this out? You know, this is a problem that needs to be solved. Everything needs to be solved. So yeah, that is definitely, um, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (25:40): So let's touch on a minute, if you can. I don't mean to put you on the spot, but like stress eating. So, okay. Sometimes, you know, cause I have to admit that's one of my triggers. It'd be like, okay, I'm getting up from here and I'm gonna, you know, if I, if we had any, it'd be like eat some ice cream and chips or, you know, eat that feel good food and it, I guess it releases the happy endorphin. So you kind of get over your problem. But anyway, let's talk about that stress eating factor. Elizabeth (26:07): Yes. Yeah. Um, you know, full disclosure here. I, uh, you know, unfortunately I had to put down my cat last week, almost two weeks ago. Oh. So, and she's 15 years and four months old. So it was hard. It was hard. So, um, I know first and foremost, the whole emotion, emotional eating because that night I, you know, my husband and I were like, you gotta get, we gotta get something. So he got a pizza, I got some chocolate lava cake because I it's just that, you know, that feel good, the comfort food, the, you know, drowning, your feelings, your trauma, you know, the stress in the something. Um, so it happens. It definitely happens. And what, what you do at the moment is you understand, obviously that it's happening because again, we're going back to them blindfold like, Oh yes. You know, I knew what I was getting was not great for me, but it was okay because the next day I would be fine. Elizabeth (27:17): So what ends up happening though, with a lot of people is that chronic stress, they chronic eat, you know, it's, it's, it's that comfort. It's that fast? You know, I need chips. I need, you know, I can't do this now I need this, I need that. And it's, it's the salt, the sweet it's the sugary, you know, it's all that where we're just like grabbed our grab and not thinking, yes. So that's why I started out with you gotta be mindful. You have to be, you know, breathe. So this way you can understand what you are doing. Um, and then, you know, there are certain foods that are great for stress and yes, you know, I will say dark chocolate as well. Um, dark chocolate, you know, obviously you want to get a little bit higher, um, in the, you know, cocoa, which is 75% or more. Elizabeth (28:10): Um, so you don't have that sugar, but the sugars, the salt, all of that is actually does more damage than good because of what you're, what you're doing is, um, well, there's two things that's happening. First of all, when you're stressed out, you don't want to eat, right. So you're, you're in that fight or flight. So that blood, that the blood that usually goes to your digestion is that now going to your arms and legs, because it is saying for you, you want to flee, you want to fight or flight or fight or flight. And it's when you're in parasympathetic stage obviously are digesting well and everything else, right. But you're, you're holding onto your gut and you're holding onto their digestion and it's, and you don't even want to eat. Or you're just thinking of that, you know, fast food, your digestion that is not going to work properly. Elizabeth (29:10): So even if you don't think you're stressed out and you're not product stressed, but you've had that digestive issue, that's not good because you're not getting that essential nutrients, even when you're trying to eat that healthy food. Now why I bring the gut in and the digestion is for the 80% of your immune system relies in your gut. So that is why when you're a chronic stress, um, you get sick faster. And with this COVID, you want that immunity to be like a hundred percent and then stop. So you want to boost that, that is where that, that eating the digestion and all of that comes into play. So probiotics, prebiotics, um, you know, prebiotic food can be, um, flax seeds, pumpkin seeds, um, I think garlic, stuff like that. Um, you know, those are previous prebiotic foods that you want to introduce as well as probiotics. So you can kind of get that digestion going here. So yeah, it is, it is hard though. It's in the moment when you, when you just want something quick and fast and easy and sugary and, you know, fried whatever it is. But getting to the understanding that it's only a one time, and then tomorrow I'm going to be, you know, doing something better for myself. That's when that's, when you have that, you manage that stress. Terry - Feeding Fatty (30:38): Yeah. Yeah. W you know, some, sometimes we have trouble with that. It's like, if we go off track, as far as eating, if we go off track, you know, once or twice during a week, it's hard to get back into, you know, it's like, okay, well today's today. We finally get to today's today. Tomorrow's another day. And then the next day, the same thing, it's like, Oh, we can't get back on track. It's so hard to do that. Um, I guess, I guess it just boils down to what you were talking about earlier. It just, the breathing being able to be present and all encompassing without adding more stress. Um, and just being able to break out of that cycle. Elizabeth (31:33): Yeah. And you know, it doesn't have to be all at once. Like, you know, for example, if you chronically, you know, emotionally eat every meal, just maybe one meal to a nutritional meal or something that helps your, you know, just baby steps. It doesn't have to because when you do it, you know, and we tend to do things full force, right. When you, right. But that adds more stress onto you because you're thinking that, well, you know, either there's two things you're thinking, well, that didn't work. So I might as well just go back to what I was doing. Or it's like, it's too stressful that you're, you know, cheap, you know, either, you know, dieting or counting calories or all that you don't want to do that. You just want that one good nutrition, you know? And then how do you feel after that? Elizabeth (32:29): You got to ask yourself, how do you, how does that, how do I feel after this? Does it make me energized? Does it, does it make me, um, you know, think better? So how did that, because food is medicine, right? You said that before food is medicine. So whether it's poisoning you or it's helping you, that is, that is your choice. Right. So it's like, okay, well maybe let's just change out this breakfast to be a nutritional protein shake if I'm in a, you know, in a hurry. Yeah. Right. That's good. It starts your day off it. Right. And then, you know, maybe if you change your mind during lunch, you know, dinner meet, you have a nutritional breakfast. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (33:12): Yeah. Yeah. And that's, uh, I think you brought up a point about, uh, I will say I'm guilty is that we want to change too much. We want to change everything all at one time. And sometimes it can just be way too much for not only our mind, but for our body. We just can't, you know, because it's like, okay, well, we're going to cut all these calories down and we're going to go out and start exercising or, you know, running and doing crazy stuff like that. So now he's crazy now. Elizabeth (33:43): Bad. Exactly. Crazy. Yes. It's bad for your system. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (33:47): Yeah. Yeah. And I think it's interesting that you say, you know, when you put it that way about we're, you know, we're either poisoning our body or we're being healthy because I'm not sure if, um, when we talked last week, we had a conversation with somebody that was telling us that the incident of these cancers arising in younger people is outpacing that of the baby boomers. And so, yeah. And anyway, yeah, basically it's in the food, the consumption, the consumption habits and everything that, you know, our younger people and, you know, we're, we're as guilty because we're on the run. And, you know, we used to, that's been one nice thing about not being out and running around as much as we are not in the fast food lines, but it's always, you know, we're running behind, you got to go through here, it's getting late, we need something, do this, do that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (34:43): And it just ends up making bad decisions. And so I will say that us being at home more, we have been more mindful of, you know, we're cooking just about every meal. I think, you know, we're probably lucky if we eat one meal out a week and we try to be mindful about that, but, um, it's just stopping to make those choices and make good choices. It takes time because, you know, when we do a full cook, it's a little bit more time in the kitchen, but you're right. When we eat a healthy meal, it's like, well, I'm not weighed down. I don't feel these feelings. You know, we were talking this morning about, uh, you know, sleeping good. That's another trigger of mine that we might can touch on for just a minute is, um, yeah. I tend to make very bad decisions when, uh, ha when I'm sleep deprived, I guess, you know, cause I feel like I need to eat more to boost my energy up instead of listening to my body and just saying at night, instead of at 10, o'clock thinking I need to get a snack so I can do one more thing. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (35:44): Just go to bed, go to bed and wake up and do it tomorrow. Say that tonight, Elizabeth (35:51): There you go. That's your accountability partner. Right? Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:56): He he'll continue to say, yeah, Terry so great. She's mum. She's, she's my, my, uh, sidekick and helped me on my journey. Yeah. I'm going to go to bed Elizabeth (36:09): Terry. Now, do you have that problem too? Or Terry - Feeding Fatty (36:13): I, I really like I'd look forward to going to bed, but I fight the sleep. I don't know if it's, because when you're conditioned as a baby, it's like, no, I don't want to go to sleep. I'm going to miss something, you know, it's but it's like, I like to go to bed and I like to have downtime, but I'm trying not to get caught up with my cell phone. I'm trying to read more. So it will make me naturally tired and, and, you know, detox from all the blue lights and all of that. So I can get to a restful state. So my sleep isn't always great sleep, but, um, you know, I like to get into bed. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (36:58): She knows when to call it quits. And I will say that that is her herself disciplined is she's like, I've had enough. Um, we need to go lay down. Okay. Let me, I'm thinking I've got five more things I think I can squeeze in. And I'm the worst. I know that I'm the worst about trying to do too much, but I was just sitting here thinking that it's, it's not stress. Mine happens to be because I enjoy what I do. And, um, so that can be a detriment just as bad as hating what you do, loving what you can do because, um, you know, it's always like, Oh, I just had this ideal or we can make this a little better. Let's try this. And so, uh, Terry - Feeding Fatty (37:38): You know, it's not your thing. No, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (37:40): But constantly thinking about, you know, how can we improve this? Or, or there's some analysis that I'm thinking about and here's a better way anyway. So Elizabeth (37:51): Yeah, no, I totally completely understand. Yeah, because I'm actually going through the same thing. So I worked full time. Um, like I said before, and so what I'm doing on the side is I'm doing either the podcast or, you know, trying to do something for health coaching, you know, stuff like that. So it's literally eating up my nights and weekends. Um, so however I will say, and it's gotten a little, it's got a little off track recently, but I religiously like at nine 30, probably if anything, 10 o'clock shut down everything, no matter what. And I take, um, magnesium and, um, for me, I take a progesterone. So it's, it's very calming at night, especially magnesium. So you want to, um, interior, you, you kind of alluded to this, to where you kind of wind it down. Right. So, you know, reading is great because you're, it's great for, you know, morning and night, but at night you're kind of tired your eyes. Elizabeth (39:00): You want your eyes to be a little bit tired, right? No blue lights, so no phone. And if you have your phone, obviously, you know, do that, uh, change the blue light to yellow. So it's like nighttime. Um, and it's just, yeah, it's shutting your brain off because yeah. You can go to bed and all of a sudden you're laying there and you're just thinking and thinking, you're thinking. But the other thing that I'm going to add to that is journaling. So journaling is another thing too, where when you have that brain going, I'm writing it down, it's getting it out. It's like therapy, it's getting it out of your brain onto paper. And then tomorrow morning, the next morning you could read it and then you know that thing. But when you get it out of your system, it's just, it, you know, then it leaves just for a peaceful rest. Elizabeth (39:52): Now the number of sleep, the number of hours, you know, they say you have to get seven to eight hours of sleep. Yes you do. But seven to eight hours of good sleep. Yeah. So the quality is a little bit more important than the quantity at this point. So if you're getting up every hour on the hour, that's not good if you're tossing and turning, if you're going up to go to the bathroom three times, um, so stay away from why they're wasting a lot of water. Yes. Um, but that interrupted sleep is not really the best. Um, you know, and then yeah. You know, the next day you're going to feel groggy here to feel irritable. You're going to make the bad choices. So it's, it's getting to that wind down. And then even when you wake up, don't look at your phone, you know, leave your phone in another room. If you have to. I know, I know we just recently got, you know, um, alarm clock, old alarm clock. So our phones are in our, our possession. Yeah. But it's, it's only that, the reason why I say that is because it starts your morning. Like this you're on somebody else's talking about yours. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (41:06): I'm going to check the chat box on this zoom con see of Terry sending you messages, because we actually just had our big, our, our, uh, thing is she likes to lay in bed at night and do her phone. And so I've been telling her, you know, if you want that sleep, cut that phone off and let's start reading. And so the last couple of weeks, she's been much better about reading. Well then, uh, I guess it was the other day. She's like, okay, well, now that I'm straight on, so what we need to do for you is no phone in the morning. And I'm like, I'm like, Ooh, that is tough because I like to look and see, you know, what's been going on in the world and, uh, it's a little harder. So we've tried to get up. The plan is to get up, take a little walk before we do, you know, any phone things Terry - Feeding Fatty (41:52): And get up fast, just get up. When you wake up, get up out of bed. It's not easy to do because you could just sit in bed and do what you're, you know, check your phone and do it. You could be there forever. So it's like an hour or so after you wake up, it's like, Hey, I've been at, I haven't done anything, but I've been on my phone. Yeah. Elizabeth (42:13): Right. Right. Exactly. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (42:15): Yeah. I think it's important. Uh, you know, for me, I'm trying, I look at everything trying to be more balanced that sleep, listening to our body, drinking the water. Uh, don't do that enough, but you know, we got to get that water consumption, Terry - Feeding Fatty (42:31): But cutting it off at a certain time. So you're not going to the bathroom all night. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (42:37): Yeah. And I think starting the morning off, you know, we, we're not, we go back and forth, but having that bottle of water with that first cup of coffee, uh, it seems to kind of, to me, if I can get that bottle of water in earlier, then it's like, I've set a precedent for the day to drink more water where if I don't have it, first thing I tend not to, you know, not to drink any water. So, so many things to wrap up and, uh, you know, we can help ourselves live, put it that way. You know, sometimes we're our worst enemy. And, um, because I think, I, I know I handled the stressful situations much better when I'm arrested. When I feel like, you know, I'm getting my exercise when I'm just healthier feeling things don't tend to bother me nearly as much. And I assume that's the way it is for most people. Elizabeth (43:27): Yeah. Like, I mean, again, you know, you can never eliminate stress. Stress will always be there. So it's how you manage it. So if somebody tells you, well, these are the, you know, things you can do to eliminate stress, they're lying because we're always going to have stress. Right. It's how you manage it and how you bounce back from that stress, that trauma, anything that's kind of overtaking that moment. Tell you bounce back. That's the key. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (43:54): Yeah. Yeah. So let's remember breathe when that stressful situation comes at you. When somebody tells you, you got to do this, just take a few deep breaths or, uh, you know, just be mindful. I think that's another good, good messages. Let's just be mindful of everything. Our breathing, our eating, our sleeping, listened to our body. Uh, we can help ourselves so much better, but I know we are way long Elizabeth. It's just been, it's been awesome. A conversation, a lot of great things to think about. So one question we always ask is, uh, what is a habit that you have a habit or a tool, maybe an app or something that you use in your daily life, personal or professional that you feel, uh, really adds a lot of value. Elizabeth (44:40): Good question. Um, the, you were talking to, you alluded to journaling yeah. That you do every day or I used to, um, I used to, um, but now that, you know, time, you should do yes. And it does help because it, um, so yeah, it's journaling is, is key. Um, and I will say, you know, that meditation for me, um, I'm more, I'm better as a meditation. So my morning I'll just like really quick, my morning, I get up, I actually had that warm water with lemon. Um, and then I go meditate for about 10 to 15 minutes. Okay. So that starts the day off. Right. You know, like that starts your day off. Yeah. So it's getting that meditation getting into that moment, getting that a Tet like intention, like what is your intention for the day set it up. So that I think is, is key and I will give an app out. Um, so it's called insight timer. I don't know if you guys heard of that, but that is the app that I use for meditation, for music, for anything. It's a great app. Um, and yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (46:00): So anyway, I hate, we could probably talk another hour, but something that, something you brought up that I meant to mention earlier was, you know, in the, in the, uh, trying to decide what we want to take on. I think that's a good question that we can ask is, is that gonna further where I want to go to thing or in life or with my plan. And that's why I think we have to get back, especially if you're in business, you kind of have to have that plan of where do you really want to take this? And then that's how you, um, that's kinda your litmus test for these things that come at you every day. Are, is this going to further my goal, if it's not, and it's not going to hurt somebody else, then we can say no, and we can be okay with that. Whereas if this is something I need to do to further that goal, then yeah. That's something that we want to take on for sure. Elizabeth (46:50): Exactly. It's the intention it's yeah. It's all of that. The purpose. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (46:55): And then the meditation, how do you do that? Um, I know there are apps and, you know, some, there's a lot of different methods. I think, I guess, uh, the biggest thing is you just basically kind of want to clear your mind, be in the moment and then, uh, not let these outset, but everybody kind of has to find their own path into that. Elizabeth (47:16): Exactly. And you said it perfectly, it's finding your own path into it. Like I do a lot of guided meditation. Some people can do just like breathing meditation. There's so many different types. Yeah. Loving kindness, meditation, um, uh, chanting, uh, you know, getting your shock, froze, you know, align. There's just so much, so many different ones. You just have to try it out for yourself. And don't do like the 20 to 25 minutes at first because you're going to hate it. You do that five minutes and you don't have to clear your mind. People think, Oh, I need to, like, not fake. You're always going to think your minds like working nonstop, it's just understanding and appreciating those thoughts, but kind of getting them a little bit out of the way and clearing, you know, just kind of clearing the way. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (48:05): Okay. All right. I promise we're wrapping it up now. Uh, tell us how can people, well, who can you help? What can you do for them? And of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you. And then not only with the, uh, you know, the functional health coaching, but also, uh, your podcast as well. Elizabeth (48:24): Yes. Um, so I am doing both so health coaching and, uh, podcasts, so they could reach out to me. My website is www.Elizabethdicristofano.com. Um, I'm on Instagram. So I have two handles. So the root of our health podcast. So T H E R O O T O F O U R health. Um, anyway, so you can reach me on there or Elizabeth.DiCristofano okay. And, uh, so I'm, you know, right now I'm taking, um, you know, anybody who is interested in finding out more of how they could calm, you know, manage their stress a little, uh, if you want, you know, 20 minutes, I can give you a introductory call complimentary. Um, and then we'll just go from there. And then if you wanna listen to my podcasts, I can be found at anywhere. This is a podcast, um, that deals with, you know, health and wellness for women over 40, see it through the functional medicine lens. So getting to that root cause. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (49:23): Okay. Awesome, man. Great. You, we, we have a mutual friend, Dr. Uh, Carol, have you, have you had your, Elizabeth (49:31): During her interview at, uh, two, one today? So yeah, that'd be doing Roy - Feeding Fatty - Functional Medicine Health Coach Sets Out to Inspire Women Over 40 (49:37): Okay. Well, love her. So we have, uh, an episode, a prior episode. You can go back and listen to with Dr. Carol Sherry. If I get this, I gotta get the name right, Carol. And, uh, but anyway, and you can go over to Elizabeth podcast and, uh, hopefully within the next few weeks, that one will be released as well, but a lot of great information, we appreciate, you know, stress controls, uh, a lot of our situations these days. So we appreciate you talking about that very much. We will include all of your, uh, websites and contact information in our show notes as well. So people can reach out. All right. All right, until then that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. We appreciate our listeners very much, and of course you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. We're on all the major social media platforms, as well as this, uh, a video of this interview will go up when it goes live as well. So you can find it on YouTube. Uh, we are on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. If we're not on one that you listened to, please reach out. We'd be glad to add it. So till next time, y'all take care of yourself and take care of each other. Elizabeth, Elizabeth (50:46): Thank you. Have a great day, everybody. Thank you. Thanks. www.elizabethdicristofano.com The Root of Our Health Podcast www.feedingfatty.com
Maria's Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author with Maria Liberati From international supermodel to chef to culinary instructor to author. Maria grew up in the United States but her grandparents were from Italy. While on a modeling assignment in Italy fell in love with the culinary arts. She went to cooking school and the rest is history. She has taught and authored a series of cookbooks. Hear her amazing story. About Maria As a former international supermodel, Maria Liberati never dreamed that she would go from being a fashion diva to a domestic diva. Ironically, while jet setting off to modeling assignments around the world, Maria became closer to the simplicity of life and food in the country setting of her family’s vineyard in the mountains of central Italy. 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The other thing that we do is not only, uh, you know, talk about the struggles and challenges that we see, but we also have guests on from time to time who are, um, professionals and can add a lot of value to this, trying to, uh, you know, figure out our eating, our exercise and our mental fitness as well. And so today is no different. And Terry, I'm gonna let you introduce our awesome guests today. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:47): Yes. As a former international supermodel, Maria Liberace never dreamed that she would be sh that she would go from being a fashion diva to a domestic diva. Ironically, while jet setting off to modeling assignments around the world, Maria became closer to the simplicity of life and food in the country setting of her family's vineyard in the mountains of central Italy today, Maria is considered one of the foremost experts on Italian cuisine and culture. She has hosted and delighted audiences from international wine festivals, cooking events for both consumers and trade and trade and conventions all over the U S to Rome, a bruise, a Brousseau and Florence, Italy. She is consistently endorsed by some of the world's leading chefs for her savvy and simplistic, yet healthy approach to cooking and great food. She continues to host culinary and wine events around the world. And in some of Italy's most remarkable locales, Maria was recently named media spokesperson for the American Academy of ophthalmologists and the feast. Your eyes campaign will be appearing on TV and radio showing consumers how to eat and cook healthy for their eyes. Maria, welcome to the show. How are you today? Maria (02:05): Great. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you. Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:08): Yes. Could you tell us, so, so you grew up in Italy? Maria (02:13): No, I actually grew up in the United States. My most of my family, well, my grandparents were from Italy and I've had a lot of great cause they came over here from Italy. So my parents were born in the us. I was born in the U S but what happened was I was modeling in Italy and that's how I began. I just fell in love with the culinary arts they are. And, uh, I began also exploring my roots and found out that, uh, my family was involved in the culinary field. My family had a vineyard in the mountains of the roots, which is central, central to South Italy. And, um, also my other, my, um, paternal, no external grandmother. Um, th her family had a bakery. Um, and I, you know, ended up finding all the recipes and studying some of the recipes and things like that, and ultimately ended up going to culinary school in Italy. Maria (03:21): So I ended up living, living in Italy saying, um, there quite frequently, um, for quite some time. And I studied the culinary arts there. And then I did a lot of programs there right now because of what's going on. I have not been able to do any programs there, but I've been doing virtual virtual events. So when I've been kind of grounded in the U S which is fine. So, cause it's giving me a chance to catch up on other projects that I've wanted to do here. So, but yeah, I, I actually grew up in the United States, but um, spent a lot of time. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (04:03): So before we get too far into this, though, how fabulous was it going to culinary school in France? I mean, that must be like the, the, uh, I guess this, the best place that you could go to learn to cook, for sure. Maria (04:18): Yes. It definitely, I, I'm unbelievable to go to cooking school in Italy, but actually, you know, it's cooking and food is so ingrained in the tradition, you know, Italian, it's a tradition that really, you know, people that even aren't professional chefs though, you'll go to their home, isn't it? Oh my goodness. The way that they cook is on it really like on a professional level. But, uh, so I think I did learn initially a lot from, you know, my grandparents and cousins and aunts and all that where they are, but, um, but going to cooking school in Italy. Oh my gosh. He was, yes, definitely a dream, definitely a dream. And I got to meet some amazing, amazing chefs from different parts of Italy. Yes. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (05:08): Oh, I can imagine. So. So who did you get to meet? Can you share a little, Maria (05:13): Well, I don't sure. Well, they're not probably not chefs that, that we would know about here. There are chefs that were amazing in the sense that, um, they, they were from different regions of Italy and, um, they were experts at cooking that cuisine from that specific region. Say for instance, the cooking school that I went to, they have a chef that is from Sicily and, Oh my goodness. He makes, because in Sicily, they're famous for they [inaudible]. And, uh, I different types of pastries, but amazingly they, they, the way that they make them, they're not extremely sugary. So, you know, here, when you generally, when they make things, sometimes they're making things for the American audience. So they put tons of sugar and things, but Theresa Lee, when you get to the, the real deal in Italy, it's not that way. So, um, you know, they were just amazing chefs that had chefs that I worked with that had like restaurants that really cooked artists and feeds. Maria (06:23): In fact, I, I actually worked with checks at different restaurants, as well as, you know, school, so learning and working with them. So that that's what was amazing. But, um, many of the chefs are not really, no, I did work with one chef or her first, her name is avail. You have the glia. She goes by that. She's actually on TV. They are in Italy and, uh, she's on baseball. And, uh, she has her account on Facebook and she's on a few cooking shows in Italy, but she's a wonderful coconut actually did a few cooking videos with her that I have on, I have a rotating journal called the basic art of Italian cooking. And I visited her in Umbria and we did some, uh, fresh pasta, maybe videos. And, uh, we had a really good time. So there, there is a video with failure. All I know she's a cooking personality on the online brick each channel. Yes. Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:23): Cool. There is nothing better than homemade pasta. I mean, just fresh and it just cakes takes seconds to cook. I mean, you just throw it in the boiling water and it's done Maria (07:34): It, does it, it, it does. It cooks really quick and it is just, it's such a difference, like for people that have never tasted that versus dry pasta, there's just not any comparison Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:46): And gummy. I mean, it's just melt in your mouth. I'm getting hungry. Maria (07:51): Oh gosh. Yes. Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:54): Oh my goodness. And you are the director of a cooking school in Umbria? Yes. Maria (07:59): Well, I was four. Yeah, well, sometime, and, uh, now, as I said, with the virtual, you know, everything going virtual, I'm kind of on, I guess you could call it Sabbat, all sorts. We all are. Gosh. Yes. So, you know, I'm just laying back and doing everything here. But as I said, I had a lot I needed, I wanted to catch up on in the United States. So I'm, uh, making good use of my time. Yes. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (08:26): So do you want to, can you tell us a little bit about the, uh, the healthy eye campaign and it's, it's interesting that you bring that up because we had talked to an, uh, opt out he's an eye doctor, whichever one of them, those are, but yeah, he was just telling us about, um, I don't even, I can't even explain it, but something about the back of the eye and the, um, uh, the, uh, I've lost it, the cone. No, well, no, the, Maria (08:59): Yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (09:00): Yeah, no, it was something that in the eye that they test, but then I'm trying to think of the food that we want to see gluten. He was talking about how the gluten was a big factor in this and him and his wife had gone to like a clean, uh, breakfast where they were just doing smoothies with spinach and some different things and trying to do away with the breads, even though we're talking about it, we're talking about Italian pastas and bakeries. But, but anyway, if you could just tell us a little bit about that. I think that's very interesting. Maria (09:35): Sure. Yes. Well, um, my, my dad actually had an active it'd be generation and, um, or macular degeneration, so it's kind of a cause near and dear to my heart. And, and, um, so there are certain things that, you know, you mean to eat and be aware of because you need to, you know, um, nutrients going into your, into your eyes and people don't realize it. So Apricot's are really, really healthy for your eyes. Newbury strawberries, um, are really, really healthy feeds for your eyes. So those are all, um, peas that you want to concentrate on. Um, spinach to, isn't not a good one. And then she has spinach. Definitely salmon is really a really, really good feet or your eyes also. Yeah. So, um, but yes, they're all really, really good and provide nutrients for your eyes that you know, that you really, really need. Maria (10:44): So people need to really, especially as, you know, we get a little older, you need to concentrate on functional. I call them functional fees. So don't just eat mindless fuse. You know, like when we're in our teens, we just see that anything marshmallows, Snickers, bars, whatever we don't, we're not really, you know, we're looking for the, the, I guess that the real of the excitement that you get would be the chocolate bars. But what you need to do is as you get older, you really need to look for these functional feeds, feeds that not only satisfy your craving or your appetite, but he needs that also have a function in your body really help your body. So, you know, you can only eat so many calories a day, so you want to make sure that what you're eating, there's a purpose for that. And I mean, there's so many really good eats out there. I mean, Apricot's are delicious, dried apricots are really good. Um, and there are lots of different things you can even put chop up dried apricots, put them in your salad. Pomegranates are really good. You can put them in your salad. Blueberries are absolutely delicious. Put them in a salad or, you know, have some new word or, um, you know, just, just, uh, have, you can just snack on it really Uber's are so sweet and strawberries too. So, um, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (12:09): Yeah, and I think that's one thing that, you know, when we started kind of going down this path, I knew years ago, I was eating bad, a lot of fast food and things that were easy to put together quickly. And so, um, I tried to make up for that by taking a lot of supplements and, you know, it's better, I'm not saying supplements are bad, but it's always better if we can get those vitamins and minerals from the food source. And so once we started trying to clean my act up a little bit, we, we had a, um, we got an app and I was really surprised that the diet, even though we thought we, even though we had made a switch and we're eating better, we were still missing out on so many macro nutrients. And so, you know, kind of talking about that functional eating is, uh, you know, we have to balance our calories, our proteins, and me, I'm a type two diabetic. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (13:05): So I have to watch my carbs and sugar intake, but it's also very important to kind of, um, to look at these macro or excuse me, micro nutrients, to bounce, to make sure you're getting enough because they have a lot of functions, our, our eyes, our hearing, our brain health. And, uh, you know, I wish that we could listen wish as a younger person that I would have listened or that kids would listen to us more when we try to tell them that, you know, if you will eat healthy, I think you will have, uh, live a longer, healthier, more enjoyable life than, than not. Maria (13:40): Yes, definitely. And he is actually, I think I might've had this conversation with you, Terry, you only had our conversation about how food is really medicine. It really is medicine people don't realize it. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to blurt it out. Um, I know I was going to say, we talked about our culinary medicine virtual. Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, that's right. And if you start thinking of food as medicine, that you're going to start thinking of what you're eating and what purpose that you know has. So, okay. You bought the, your strawberries generally. If it's a plant or vegetable, Acree generally it's going to be, have a function, you know, serve a function and it's really good for you. And the other key is, you know, if you're looking at a package that's plastic and there's a list of ingredients, a mile long that you can't even say, you can be sure that those, whatever it is, does not serve any function in your body and is not good at all for you. Maria (14:53): So the key is to eat real food. Um, that's the key real, you know, real, I think that was the thing that I really loved when I started living in Italy was, um, everything was just a lot pressure. And, um, you know, there's more of a tradition of meeting because people go shopping. They are, they are on a daily basis. I actually do that almost to, um, cause I got in the habit, but they go shopping almost on a daily basis. Cause they're eating things fresh, fresh, fresh, you know, every day it's something that's scratched. So, uh, you know, that's really, really important, but that's the key, if there's a list of ingredients that you can't even pronounce or it's packaged in plastic, it's generally not something that, that has a function. So yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (15:48): Whatever. Well, you know, it's funny you talk about the way that we eat and um, it it's been a few years, but there were, I spent a few months and uh, living in New York city and, and that was a huge difference between, you know, living in where we live. We go to the grocery store once a week, load up as many bags as you can possibly get and that's that. But there, um, you know, what, what I kind of learned was, you know, we stopped by the little bodega every night to pick up exactly what we were eating. So it was much more fresher and, and you know, we didn't have the waste again for us, you know, you, you get all excited and go to the grocery store and you buy all the fruits and vegetables and you get home. And then about two or three days later, everything is starting to turn. So there's always a lot of waste as well. But anyway, I just, it, the, um, I guess sometimes the American way is, uh, contrary to a lot of places where they do eat healthier and maybe that's one reason why they fresh. And, uh, you know, the other comment that you made I thought was very telling is for the, the chefs in Italy is like, eh, we're developing this for Americans. We gotta throw a bunch more sugar into it to get them interested. Maria (17:04): Yes, they do that. I know, you know, bakeries here like Italian bakeries. Um, sometimes when you'll, you'll find one, that's supposedly in an authentic Italian bakery. And again, you know, we're talking about being imbalanced or gluten free, but they're not gluten free, but although there are some that are doing some pretty things now, which are really interesting. But, um, the thing is, yes, there are a lot that know the American audience and they know if they don't put pounds of sugar in something that the Americans are going to be like, you know, where's the sugar. And the thing is like, as I said, when you're in Italy, um, I, myself am not a fan of loads of sugar. I don't like really sugary. So a lot of the things that I will eat in Italy or, you know, uh, you know, enjoy some of the desserts and things are things that I would never eat there because there you're, it's just like just too syrupy sugar. Maria (18:05): So, uh, like they are, they do they balance. And again, it's just all about balance balancing out. It's just really enough sugar to compliment the other flavors in whatever the recipe is. And, uh, you know, I think here too, we're so school, you know, we're so spoiled where there that there's only been so many years, you know, that people are fine. I mean, you know, uh, before world war two and all of that, so there's a history of, you know, poverty and not having new readings and things. So they basically learn to be sparing. And, and I mean, there's a reason for that too, and to meet healthy and, um, here we're service oil then, you know, just in using pounds of this and pounds of that. And, uh, there, it's, it's much more of a tradition of, of eating healthier and not wasting, you know, not wasting things, Uber using things either. So, uh, I think that's some of the reason also why, you know, we're all kind of squealed here tend to have weights things. So, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (19:23): Yeah. So a couple things that you mentioned that, uh, may want to talk about is, um, you mentioned the, the gluten of course, and that th there's I just here have started hearing a lot of chat, or maybe I've just started paying attention about gluten and gut health, and then they have this, the leaky gut thing, but also inflammation and inflammation is, I don't know why it seemed like the last four or five months. I've really keyed in on that, that it is the basis for, uh, so many things that go bad in our life and our, with our body and our health. But one thing I noticed is, um, I overdid eating something that I may have a little food allergy to, but my eyes were really inflamed and puffed out and swollen. Maria (20:12): Uh huh. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, you definitely want to avoid whatever phew, you know, is he's doing that to you, but yeah, there are fuse. I do. Cause now I'm not a medical doctor, so I don't want to, you know, I know I can only think you say, you know, I'm a chef, I'm not a medical doctor. I did study like part of the art curriculum is studying nutrition and I did study nutrition at college. I'm not a nutritionist, but I can tell you, based on my personal experience, I do know from what I've researched and, and what studied about this inflammation, and there are certain feeds that are known to cause inflammation. And, uh, unfortunately I hate to say it because she's, it's such a big part of the Italian, try it and have so many delicious recipes, pizza being one, there are pieces that you can't make without cheese. Maria (21:07): Of course, then you have to get into making it gluten free, which you can though. But anyway, dairy products are known to cause inflammation. Now I have in my family, arthritis runs in my family when we're very young. So recently I started, um, a limp trying to eliminate certain feeds and seeing what would work and what would not. And I noticed that I, I did a week totally eliminated the airy and the little aches and pains that I had. I do not have. So I'm kind of thinking there something to it and I'm going to try it again. Cause you know, sometimes it could just be in your mind, you know, but, um, from my research I did hear that are products can cause inflammation. The thing about this though, with the gluten and the dairy and even like people being allergic to nuts and all that it's, you know, so I always thought, well, why was it that people weren't talking about this like ages and go to work? Maria (22:11): You know, you're just hearing about kids being allergic to nuts. I have a niece that's allergic to nuts, but I never heard of that when I was growing up. I don't think probably good thing is that what it is, it's the chemicals that they're using to grow the wheat and the nuts and all this stuff. And even if they're grown organically, it's still in the soil. So truthfully you could have an organic farm next to a regular farm and you know, it's going to seep into the soil somehow. So this whole issue about gluten free and being, um, sensitive degree and all, I think it's really not the wheel per se, but it's the chemicals and the methods that they're using to grow it. And that, um, she had though, you know, genetically modified ingredients and all that because, you know, years ago I never heard about celiac disease and not allergy whatevers and all. So it's, it's really, I don't think it's the actual ingredient it's like chemicals and new process that you use to produce those ingredients, unfortunately, is what he's doing, all these things to us. So Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (23:32): It's interesting. I saw a not, I don't want to get, I don't want to bash any company, so I'm not gonna mention the name of this big one, but there was a group that measured the amount of poisons and there was a bunch of different levels that they looked at of the soil. And so they had some pictures going back to, I guess, the seventies or, uh, like a geographic map. And you could see it was up in the Midwest, Indiana, uh, Nebraska kind of up in the Northern States. But over the years, this, um, you know, they turned the map a different color. And so you could see that it was kind of seeping down, uh, pretty much along the Mississippi, but from North to South. And they said that that's basically what it is not only the river spread, but also it just seeps from, you know, even though you sprayed your 10 acres, you, you know, the ground doesn't know your 10 acres ended here, it seeps into the neighbors and then it just continues on and on to this whole huge big contamination. So because I'm like you, when we were, when I was growing up, we never, I never heard of a food allergy. And even when my kids were young, um, you know, there may be one person out of their whole school year that may have had something, but now, and some of them are so serious that it doesn't take a whole lot. Maybe just a little dust off of something in the kitchen to really have a adverse reaction for them. Maria (25:02): Yes. Yeah. It's I know, as I said, I have a niece that's allergic to tree nuts and the littlest thing, it will set it off. And, uh, Chessie the extreme, we have to be extremely careful that you have to carry an epi pen because anything could set it off. Oh my goodness. It's yeah. I, I mean, I never, I never heard that, but there are lots of kids like that, you know, other kids that yeah. That I know that these allergies are, they love and the thing is, you're absolutely right when I grew up by, no, that was not anything that I had heard of. Yeah. So, uh, you have to wonder, and it probably is because of the chemicals and all this stuff going on. That's why, when I, I do have, I try to do my own little garden, actually. I used to be in Italy, we had, we actually had the farm and they are a small farm, but you know, it was always getting able to get, um, certainly agreed each, just scratch at him. So I try to do my own little garden, but when I do my own garden, I do raise that. So I can control, you know, the soil and everything. And, uh, I don't know of any of any treatments that were put into my land, but you know, who knows if somebody did it before or, you know, uh, somebody nearby, you know, has something seeping into the ground. So I just do a raise, you know, a raised garden bed that I grow my vegetables. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (26:35): Well, I'm talking about kids. Uh, we were talking the other day with some, and I'm not sure if it may have been you in our previous conversation, another, uh, somebody else in life. Unfortunately, uh, we talked to a lot of people every day, so that starts running together. But they were saying that the incidence of cancer in kids is far out pacing, the incidents or, well, the growth rate, I guess the growth rate in kids with cancer is outpacing the growth rate in baby boomers with cancer. And they had linked this back to diet. Now, again, we always profess we're not doctors and we're not scientists. And, you know, always seek out your medical professional to get advice, things like that. But, um, anyway, it's just kind of frightening about, we don't pay enough attention and I can tell you that just from trying to eat right, is that when you buy stuff out of the store, if you will stop and read that label, you would be very surprised what you are ingesting. And it's not doesn't mean it's always toxic, but it, it just means it may not always be good for you. And, and just the part, uh, just the fact that we don't know what we're ingesting Maria (27:50): Exactly. Like you said, if you can't pronounce it, I mean, it's probably not something that you want to be putting in your body. Yeah, exactly. And it's, you know, people are always looking for these pre-packaged snacks and the thing is grab an Apple, grab a pair. If you like, if you like hard hard-boiled eggs or, you know, make out, make some hard boil, Dave's eight, take one or two with you. If you're going somewhere and you need to bring a snack, it's all, we don't feed, pop some popcorn nodded, not with oil and butter, but just playing popcorn in an air popper, taken bragging that we can use a snack. There are so many like quick things. I mean, just grab a piece of fruit. Like if I'm traveling somewhere and I don't travel or because of this situation right now, but even if I'm on the road and I just need to, you know, get something neat or snack, I just run into the supermarket and I just buy a banana or an Apple. Maria (28:50): And, you know, I have order with me to wash off the Apple or whatever. And I mean, that's a snack, but people tend to, you know, when they want a snack go to the store, go to the, you know, potato chip that taco chip aisle and all these different chips, you know, heavily fried and with lots of chemicals. So people need to start thinking, you know, snack, there are so many simple things that you can stack on, even a baked potato, like make it right, make it keto. You know, you can take the big baked potato with the first snack too much better than eating a potato chip. Right. There are so many real things you can eat, raise it, um, dried fruit, nuts, just like raw nuts are really good for you. Also, there, there are actually a really good functional food. Um, raw, organic sunflower seeds were all, um, um, in seeds or they're all really good for you. They actually help with inflammation. And, um, so I generally carry, I'm a sunflower seed addict, actually, dog even likes to copy everything I do. And they're good for, I check so on, but you know, I just like, I love that they give you lots of energy, that they are really good function. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (30:04): Yeah. That that's a good, uh, another good point is some foods that give us that energy, you know, nuts. I know in, in the correct quantities are really good for us, but, you know, cause that's kind of, um, I think that's where I tend to fall off the tracks more is, uh, you know, we do good at breakfast. We do good at lunch, but then about three o'clock in the afternoon, you know, you kind of have that sink and spell and that's when I would probably always reach for the poor snack. And so, uh, you know, these fruits and nuts are always a good way to kind of pick up that energy without doing a lot of damage to yourself. What was that cartoon we posted the other day where you had a, what was it? A snacks? Oh yeah. Snacks. Snacks. Maria (30:52): That's good. Yep. And when you would, I was going to say, though, the thing is Wiki. Now it's there. When you get a purchase, the nuts, make sure they're raw and they're not, um, they're not like I add in, cause there's, if you go to the grocery store in the regular nut aisle, you know, they have all the nuts have been tried and salted most of them, unless they're like raw and organic, we want to get them that say that, they'd say, um, or can you turn the package over? You want to make sure there's no oils that were added to them. Cause that, that actually makes them really not good for you. And then it also adds a lot more calories and yeah, they're probably doing that, cooking them that way, probably altars, the good things that they have and then say, it's not going to do me any good. It's just going to be like eating empty calories. So you want to make sure that if you're eating nuts too, they're likable and organic, um, you know, not so better that way I'm not salted. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (31:58): Right. So what about another co? What about like in Italy? Um, I guess in the cities, they've probably gotten as bad as we are, but in the countryside, you know, what kind of, what are their eating habits, big breakfast, a big lunch, big dinner. I know that, you know, most of the Italian families that I know it's, uh, you know, they usually have at least one big family meal a week where everybody comes over and it's just the food crazy with all the different foods that are there. But, um, you know, it just be interesting to, to understand, you know, other people because, um, I think most of the time other countries are a lot more healthier than we are and probably has to with what they eat Maria (32:40): Well, it's what they need in their tradition, their way of eating too. Um, that's really what you know, so yes, in Italy generally, I'm there getting, you know, because everybody wants to be like the other side of the fence, you know, everybody wants to be like everybody else. So, you know, there's the, that lots of fast food restaurants now in France and Italy, you know, so they're, you know, starting to kind of think of that stuff, but the tradition they are the traditional way of eating is that you have a really light breakfast and then really like late dinner at your main meal, which is the actually the better way it is, is for lunch. So you're going to sit down like about one o'clock and you have a larger meal at lunchtime. And uh, usually people do the one thing that I love there is even when I did, cause I did a TV series there and uh, with a crew that, um, that an Italian crew. Maria (33:44): So, you know, no matter where, what we were doing or you were, it was all at one o'clock, everybody, everything just stopped. I knew sat down for like this wonderful meal, um, you know, for an hour, there's no rushing like, Oh, we gotta get back, you know, 10 minutes, everything, we just sit down and it's like at least an hour to two hours. Right. So, and that's the tradition usually like from about one til two, you know, you may take the time to, to really enjoy the feet. And then for dinner time, the only thing that I don't like, the one tradition is they do dinner late at night and, uh, it's not really healthy to equally, but they do eat very light when they do. So they make dinner say seven o'clock is like early. So when for them, but when I would, you know, wherever I would be usually friends or family, just for me, they really tempered seven o'clock cause they know the seating five, seven o'clock, but it could be eight o'clock, nine o'clock, 10 o'clock in Spain, they actually dinner like 10 o'clock. Maria (34:55): Oh, Oh my gosh. But, um, but the one, you know, the healthy things are like a light, a light breakfast because then they're going to be, um, and, and their breakfast is really light. It could be just a little bit of you word and a cup of coffee. Sometimes they will have a small pastry with, when I say coffee espresso, or sometimes we'll have a pastry with the cappuccino or espresso. And um, but then it's the, uh, the large lunch and yeah, once a once a week issue usually. And that's the key to, you know, people think these drink DNX spaghetti, you know, dinners and lasagna and rivalry and all that. And usual in the Italian tradition is there they're meant to be feats that are art eaten ex you know, just for like special Congress, special with patients or like once a week type of things. So it's not like they're going to be eating these, you know, keeping portions of lasagna every day of the week. It's um, usually, maybe on Sundays is when they'll have these, you know, kind of fancy heavy dinners. It's just on, you know, like one day a week, really. So, uh, it's, it's not like an every day parents that people tend to think, you know, that's what it is. Terry - Feeding Fatty (36:15): Well, and then you mentioned that they eat slower there too. They're just not in a rush, rush, rush. They slowed down and kind of they're mindful about it. Yes. More much more. So, Maria (36:26): Yeah, there's an, I don't know if you've heard of the organization called sleep. Have you ever heard of sleepy? It's a really interesting organization. You can actually look it up online. So slow feet was started, uh, back when the first McDonald's was going to go to Italy. And the first McDonald's was going to be put in, were in the center room. And, um, a guy that was really mad at that because he said, this is going to change the way people are going to move the traditions at all. So he started this organization it's called slow food and it is what it says. It promotes it's actually all around the world now. And they promote this slow way of moving of cooking and, uh, you know, slow food Sloopy is what they promote. So it's very interesting Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (37:19): If you stop and think about this, because Terry's brought this up for me, because I, I am the worst about eaten fast number one, or eaten while I'm doing something else. But she had read some research on stop and be slow and be mindful. And it's, it's, it's, it's interesting if you do that, the different feelings that you get, uh, you know, I don't usually, um, I usually will start feeling full, faster, but you actually realize that you ate sometimes it's like when you just blow through something while you're on the computer or doing yeah, yeah. In an hour, you're like, Hey, did I even eat? Terry - Feeding Fatty (37:57): And then you eat again and it becomes a vicious cycle. Maria (38:00): Yes. Or when you doing something and eating at the same time, Hey, I can't see because you know, you made the other deadline or something and your nerves are generally, and I tend to do that, you know, so you'll, you know, just doing it and you don't even realize what you're eating because you're working and you're leaving and it's really not mindful eating. And it's the worst. Yeah. The worst. Definitely. Definitely. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (38:25): Yeah. There's a lot of things I think we can help ourselves to be more healthy, even if we eat the same, even if we don't change our foods just yet, if we just can, uh, be more, you know, take our time and be more mindful, uh, it seemed like you fill up faster, you enjoy it more and have an experience. Yeah. Have an experience. Maria (38:46): That's, that's definitely right. It should be, it feels, you know, it should be, it can make it an experience that also, you know, kind of brings you closer to that. So you understand, then you're more mindful of the whole thing of, of eating. Um, so yes, it should be, it should be it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (39:07): Maria, can you tell us about, um, your, the basic art of Italian cooking? The book? Maria (39:13): Yeah. Oh yes. Thank you for asking. So it's a series that I started, um, when I was living in Italy and, uh, came up with the tiny, no, because when I, you know, study cooking, your opinion, cooking is, is all very interesting. Um, the one thing is French cooking is very complicated. It's just so complicated. You know, some, some of the fancy restaurants, it takes like four or five chefs to make a dish made. You're talking about traditional French cooking. But the thing I love about Italian cooking is it's just, it's the, the food is going through a whole, it's very delicious, but it's actually very simple and basic. So I thought, well, and, and it's, it really is. It's an art to make things basic. There are, there's an art to it. It's not, you know, it's simple and it's basic, but to make something taste wonderful, that might only have say four, four ingredients. Maria (40:14): And it there's an art to that. And that's how I came up with the title. So it's a book series, the basic art of Italian cooking. Um, the first one that I did is a coffee table book, and that has, it's actually culinary and more so that it has stories of little towns in Italy. There is really autobiographical that I lived in and then recipes that are traditional to you, those towns and menus that go with it. And then the second book in the series is all the basic art of Italian cooking holidays and special occasions. And that will won an award in our suits, the Gorman world book award. Um, it was selected as the best Italian cookbook in, in America. Oh gosh 10. And that book has recipes. And again, culinary memoir stories they go for from Christmas in it's 10 chapters, and each chapter is a different holiday. Maria (41:16): It goes from Christmas Eve to, uh, Mardi Gras, which is, uh, like corn or I'm sorry, Tim Carnivale, which is like our morning. So, uh, their stories and recipes and using tips. And then the third book in the series is called the basic art of Italian style. And, uh, it is of course dimension it's, it focuses on again that has 10 chapters. And each chapter is devoted to a city that will, you know, an exhibit you've lived in and the word created, but then the rest in that he created in that city, but then the recipes that are traditional for that city. Now me, I just want to mention we were into is actually a unique, which is why I ended up doing the book. I did some research on him, but no one really knows about that because, you know, what's, I mean, you have the Mona Lisa and all his discoveries and things that he did. Maria (42:13): So people aren't really paying attention to the fact that invented like the, uh, table setting forks and knives and rotisserie and the olive oil press. And he actually acted as a wedding planner. Sometimes he had gotten jobs and what he putting himself through college through not college, but through art school, in order to support himself, he worked first as a waiter in a restaurant and then became the chef and then, uh, decided to open up a restaurant with another very famous artist that was studying with him at our school, Sandra Botticelli Botticelli. So they opened up this restaurant in Florence and it didn't go over too well because they were so forward thinking that at that time, people were still like just plopping food on the plates and, um, you know, no aesthetic quality to walk him in voted Shelly had in their mind the idea of everything in balance and smaller portions, making them aesthetically pleasing and the menus were artistic and all the way to understand the menu so that the restaurant quickly clues, but anyway, to make a long story short. So yes. So I did a book all about Leonardo DaVinci as a community, and he was truly iffy. Yes. Terry - Feeding Fatty (43:39): I had no idea. No, I knew none of that. Maria (43:42): And then the Mediterranean diet is really based on his principles. His principles was to have everything in balance. He always said that I balanced the colors on my campus and the food on your plate should be imbalanced just like that balance that on campus. So the Mediterranean diet is really based on a lot of peace, his beliefs and his teachings. So really, really interesting. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (44:11): Wow. And when does the third book come out? Maria (44:15): Basic Art of Italian Cooking DaVinci Style there they're all out. I have the book that I'm working on that will be coming out September. It's called The Basic Art of Italian Cooking Diaries. And they're actually diaries that I did when I was living in Italy, um, of my experiences there again, as a culinary memoir and lots of different recipes. So that will be coming out in September. But, um, but yeah, the one on dementia that's out already, and you can find these books on my website marialiberati.com or really anywhere you can find books online. So, um, yes, let's spell your, let's spell it T for them. Sure. It's L I E B like boy, like at word, or like Robert, a like Apple T like, um, I like the, uh, Maria, the liberati that, um, where they look up the basic art of high cookie too. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (45:13): We'll be sure to include all those, uh, in the show notes as well as, uh, we'll put that up on the website. So they'll be able to, uh, easily go over there. And one more Maria (45:23): Thing I wanted, excuse me, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (45:25): You also have a podcast as well. Maria (45:28): Yes. The Maria Liberace show. Um, I was actually supposed to do a radio show at a top station in Philadelphia. And, uh, unfortunately it happened last March, right when the pandemic was happening and all the studios were closed with me. So I'm like, you know, I like to always make lemonade out of lemons. What am I going to do? Hey, you know, this is what I'll do. I'll try a podcast and the pie. Well, you guys probably know for me, a podcast is really fun and I, I liked it that I don't have to go out to your studio. I can just, you know, I made my home office and I can do my podcasts. So I w I wanted to make up a podcast, um, that dwelled on positivity and positive things that people like can travel culture and anything, you know? And, and that's what my, my, uh, my podcast, it's just on the enjoyable things in life. You won't find me talking about, you know, politics or the stuff going on. And I just, I think there's enough of that out there. So I just want to create something that's fun and enjoyable for people. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (46:37): I liked that I think we definitely need, um, you know, much more positivity. We tend to focus on the negative and there's so much even, uh, you know, we've been lucky. I have to always use this disclaimer that me and Terry have been lucky that we haven't had the COVID or any, nobody close to us has been devastatingly effected by that while I know there are a lot of deaths and a lot of people have, but, you know, we've actually been able to, uh, you know, thrive during this time. I think a lot of people, even though it's not optimal, if we just take a minute, we can always find the positive and, you know, we've got to spend much more time together, do things a lot, uh, you know, more close we getting out and walk in and, you know, I think mindfulness, maybe that would be the best word that we've been able to slow down, not always be on the run and just able to think about things a little bit more. Yeah, Maria (47:32): Exactly. And you're absolutely right. I think that's the one thing that I actually enjoy about this time is that yes, I I've slowed down and I there's, you know, I will slowed down, slow me down, I think, in, in my habits and the way I do things, cause I'm always running and racing, but you can only run every, so many, so many places right now. So, you know, I've kept busy, but, um, yes, it's, it's enabled me to enjoy more. I'm able to spend more time with my dog and, you know, we go on walks, which I just absolutely love being able to be outside or even spend time outside in, in my farm is I stayed and I've been able to do more with my little farm as well. So yes, I think there's been some positive and I think people exactly. I mean, yes, I know, and my heart goes out to anyone that's that's had any bad experiences, you know, but luckily, as you said, no one close to me had an experience, bad experience with it, and we've all been healthy. Maria (48:37): So, you know, I always think you don't want to dwell on the negative because it just brings more negativity. Negativity also does affect the immune system. So you want to keep positive being positive also helps you. It's another thing. It helps your immune system being out in the sun or walking. No, those are all things that are also things that they do help you in the system. So, you know, I've taken advantage of, uh, of some of the things that I think I wouldn't, wasn't always able to take advantage to stop and enjoy where now you can and you're forced to, and you know, it's not a bad thing Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (49:22): To see all the opportunities that were put forth and we grabbed the lemons. Maria (49:28): Exactly, exactly. So, you know, that's what it is. And I think people should, uh, definitely look at the pot, try to always try to find the positive, um, as much as you can, there's always going to be a positive out there somewhere. So, you know, I definitely, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (49:48): This is a different show in a different topic, but just while you mentioned that, what I'm going to say is, um, you know, we had a, uh, we found, we had a little malfunction in one of our pieces of podcast equipment the other day, and it kind of happened late in the evening. We found some tapes that, you know, the audio was perfect for the podcast release, but the audio Terry's audio for the YouTube was terrible. You could barely hear. And, you know, so then I'm frustrated because I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to fix this and the piece of machinery we had, we couldn't make it work. And anyway, it was just all turmoil and stuff going on. And, you know, I was, I have to admit, I was a little bit beside myself in the moment and, uh, you know, got a good night's sleep, got up the next day, found a fix for it. And actually the fixed turned out to be much better. And so, you know, I jokingly told Terry, I said, okay, next time I get upset, just remind me that something good was going to come out of this. So Maria (50:51): Exactly. And that's the way sometimes it does happen. Yes, exactly. I've had that already thing happened too. Yes. Terry - Feeding Fatty (50:58): Yeah. I'm going to have to have him say that again so I can record that part of it because man, I didn't know what was going to happen yesterday. It was touch and go. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (51:10): And it just, uh, I think the message in that was, you know, I just, I kinda messed up my whole night for one thing that, you know, eventually things are gonna work out and, uh, it, it did so awful just say, take a deep breath and uh, you know, and get, get the working on the solution. Sometimes the solution turns out to be much better than, you know, we end up in a much better place than where we were. So Maria (51:35): Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (51:36): Well, Maria, thank you so much for taking time to come out and talk to us today. It's been such a pleasure. And uh, like I said, we will put the information in our show notes and on the webpage, but I know, I think I saw Terry already, uh, on Amazon trying to get the, getting the DaVinci one there. We're going to both sit down and try to, Terry - Feeding Fatty (51:54): Yeah, I'm going to go out of order, I think, and get the DaVinci one for I am. So, I mean, I'm just amazed by those facts that you shared with us. I am really impressed. I had no clue. Maria (52:06): Yes, yes. Most people I actually do present. I was doing a lot of like live presentations on that. Cause it's just so interesting seeing person. Yes. So yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (52:20): All right. Well thanks a lot again. And we look forward to getting you to come back on and be again, Maria (52:26): Me know. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Maria’s Amazing Transformation From Supermodel to Culinary Expert and Award-Winning Author (52:31): So that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. You can find us, of course, at feeding fatty.com. We're on all the major social media networks, as well as a, uh, video of this interview will be released when the episode goes live. It will be on YouTube. We are on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google, Spotify. If we're not on one that you listened to, please reach out. We'd be glad to add you. So until next time that's going to do it for Roy. This is Terry I'll take care of yourself. Bye. www.marialiberati.com www.feedingfatty.co
Want To Make a Positive Change? Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity with D.B. Marshall D.B. Marshall talks to us about how we can flip the switch on our outlook on life. When we perceive what we believe to be a weakness or an obstacle we should turn that around and think of it as an opportunity. Taking a negative and turning it into a positive is key for a happy life and a life of gratitude. Let's help spread the love and joy to those around us. About D.B.: D.B. Marshall - Wellness Coach, Author, and Inspirational Speaker On October 1st, 2018, D.B. birthed Love's Pursuit out of emotional hardship, love, forgiveness, and spiritual enlightenment. In a robust effort to impact lives across the world, he has dedicated his heart, experiences, time, gift, talents, and more importantly his voice to uplift others through community advocacy and support. In addition, he became an Independent Herbalife distributor to help others achieve their personal wellness goals. D.B. is truly a champion for invigorating humanity, hope, and happiness of those around him. Even before entering his doctoral program in Social Work, D.B. devoted himself wholeheartedly towards the betterment of others in terms of self-confidence, attitude towards life, and overall wellness. His work with numerous charitable organizations including the American Association of Kidney Patients (AAKP), Big Brothers Big Sisters program, and AAKP Patient-Centered Outcomes Research Institute Dissemination Award on peer-to-peer mentorship—as well as other community-focused pursuits—saw him develop a kinship with people from all backgrounds. His passion continued to grow, fueling his motivational speaking pursuits, advocating for noble causes while capturing the hearts of thousands in the urban community on his wellness radio show at WERUradio.com. Today, that passion is stronger than ever; his honest devotion to humanity sits at the core of Love’s Pursuit and continues to change and positively impact lives globally. Education and Certificates: Doctor of Social Work (ABD), Master’s degree in Social Work, Bachelor's degree in Social Work, Associate’s degree in Early Childhood Education, and Leadership Certificate. www.lovespursuitatl.net www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy. This is Terry. So what we, uh, this podcast is chronicling my journey and Terry as my helper. So trying to lose some weight, get in better shape, just all around wellness. And, um, anyway, also we bring you guests professionals in different fields from time to time, and today is no different. We have an awesome guest with, with us and I'm going to let Terry introduce him. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:29): Yes, we are delighted to have D.B. Marshall. He is a wellness coach, author and inspirational speaker in October of 2018. DV birthed loves pursuit out of emotional hardship, love, forgiveness, and spiritual enlightenment in a robust effort to impact lives across the world. He has dedicated his heart experiences, time gift, talents, and more importantly, his voice to uplift others through community advocacy and support. In addition, he became an independent, excuse me, I'm sorry. Even before entering his doctoral program in social work, D.B. devoted himself, whole heart heartedly toward the betterment of others in terms of self-confidence attitude towards life. And overall wellness has worked with numerous charitable organizations, including the American association of kidney, pH patients, big brothers, big sisters program, and AAKP patient centered outcomes research Institute dissemination award on peer to peer mentorship, as well as other community focused pursuits. They saw him develop a kinship with people from all backgrounds. His passion continued to grow fueling his motivational speaking pursuits advocating for noble causes while capturing the hearts of thousands in the urban community on his wellness radio show at weruradio.com today that passion is strong, stronger than ever. His honest devotion to humanity sits at the core of Love's pursuit and continues to change and positively impact lives. Globally. DB has a doctor of social work, a master's degree in social work, a bachelor's degree in social work associate's degree in early childhood education and leadership certificate DB. Welcome to the show. We're so happy to have you today. D.B. Marshall (02:26): Thank you. Thank you for inviting me. Glad to be here. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (02:30): Well, we need some of your motivational speaking today. I was just telling her, I said, we need to see if we can get a pizza delivery man over here. So we need to talk about some D.B. Marshall (02:38): [inaudible]. Yeah, yeah. The cupboards dry. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (02:47): Uh, well, thanks for taking time out of your day to be with us. Uh, it's awesome to have you, and so kinda tell us a little bit about, uh, what led you here. How did you get here and, uh, you know, loves pursuit. Yes. D.B. Marshall (03:01): Yeah. Um, so how did I get here? I, I can honestly say I got here because of love, right? So my, my book is entitled. I've just written a book and my books is entitled love, pursuit, journey to wellness. And so when I start going through things and start dissecting different events that took place in my life, and also just trying to learn who I was and who I was a bit calming, the Dell. I want to say the theme that kept coming out for me was like, love, love, love, loving me, myself, loving who I was, because it's not always to love who you were is sometimes it's not easy to love who we are right now because there's some things that we want to change about ourselves. And so it also encompasses, you know, loving God and loving my mom, loving my family. And so the theme love was just consistent. And so when I went through a lot of hardship in my life, it brought me back to love. And what does that mean for me? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (03:58): It's so important. It's not only, uh, you know, that self love component. We have to love ourselves before we can love anybody else. And I think that gets back to, you know, we have to be happy with us. We can't, we can't expect other things. And I think, you know, people like myself, you know, we eat for a variety of reasons, but you know, it's all, uh, typically it's all emotional. So we need to, you know, we talk a lot about that. We need to give ourself a break and I've got a, I've got a, another show that's moral business. And we talk about a lot there about how hard we are on a set of like, if we have 10 things on our to-do list today, and we get seven done, we can spend our time beating ourself up over not getting three things done versus celebrating those, uh, seven that we did, you know, and that progress that we are making. And I think, uh, most people in life we can, we're the hardest upon ourselves. We're our worst thing. D.B. Marshall (04:57): I, I, I completely agree with that. And I, you know, and some of it is social conditioning, right? And so I think we were almost taught that. And so we have to come back to the basics and we have to understand that I like to use control ultimate, delete control, all that needs to be a part of what we're doing every day, because that negative, um, thought will come up in our minds. And once you have that negative thought, it, you know, it caused you to feel some kind of way. Then it goes back to what you were saying that you create this behavior emotionally eating now that you have this behavior. So we have the control control alt delete and reboot, you know, start all over here. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (05:38): Yeah. And what are some techniques that you use? Because that, I think that's a key also that, you know, at night when you go to bed, we need to learn and don't want to dismiss the learning component of, you know, when we do something, you stick your hand on the, uh, stick your hand on the hot burn, or you get burned, you learn knots to camp back down, but for all, everything else, you know, we need to hit that control alt delete every night and start the next day fresh and, uh, ready to get down and do good, you know, not only for ourselves, but for the world in general. So do you have any tricks or techniques that you can kind of help you to refresh and start over? D.B. Marshall (06:18): Yes. One of the things that I do is meditate, right? And so meditation comes in different forms and I had to learn this the hard way I went through practicing Buddhists, I mean, praying and chanting. And when you really, when it really comes down to the nitty gritty, they all pretty much, it's the same thing. So you have to find out what works for you. So I thought meditating was just really just kind of closing your eyes and, um, you know, and that's worked for some people, but it doesn't work for me. And so I had to find a way to meditate in which I thought it would be beneficial for me. And so when I meditate, I just say an affirmation now. And so I say, I love myself an hour repeated several times. Uh, research shows that if you continue to repeat things, at least a minimum of three times or more, it then becomes a part of you individually. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (07:09): Yeah. And if you notice the, how true that is, if you notice, uh, uh, there's a gown, uh, TV, car commercials, phone number, you know, call 800, whatever call 800, whatever call 803 times, because that's what really resonates with people. So I think that's awesome advice to affirm with ourselves three times what we want to get, that message. And, you know, it's interesting because, uh, my priest, he's such an awesome guy, but I get to talk to him every now and then. And that's one thing we talked about is those negative thoughts. And I like what he said that, um, our mind is a grinder, but we get to choose and it grinds 24 seven, but we get to choose what it grinds. And so I think that, you know, if we're feeding us that positive affirmation, it it's like building that muscle muscle memory to, we will become, I think we will become that more than that negative. Hey, you know what I could have done better should, you know, you really messed up and then all of a sudden you become a product of that. Yeah. D.B. Marshall (08:13): Yeah. I completely agree with that. Yeah. So Terry - Feeding Fatty (08:16): I was going to ask, so how, how Kim, we stay on the positive part of that and get away from the negative thoughts, you know, D.B. Marshall (08:26): Um, the best thing that I tried to, um, encourage and motivate people is one, you have to understand that life in itself is a process, right? And so you have to pace your strides, pace that journey, and don't set goals that, you know, you can achieve. And when you are attempting to change a behavior, you have to understand that it takes time. And so I give a prime example. I was writing this book. I work out, I used to work out eight fluidly. And so I literally started writing my books roughly about September. I just went back to the gym. And so over the past few months, guess what happened? I kind of gained some fat around my stomach. So now they're stubborn. Fat is there. And so for me to walk into the gym, thinking that I am going to lose the fat around my stomach in a matter of Mazda is probably going to be little to none because it's easier to gain in is harder to lose my sister. So I have to understand the set realistic goals and which I want to make sure I get back to where I was when I started before I started writing. Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:34): So realistic, smaller goals. I mean, look at the big picture, but chip at it, chip away at it a little at a time. Yeah, that's good. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (09:44): Yeah. And the other thing I think too is, um, we get, I'll speak for me. Sometimes I get frustrated with not picking up something new or not figuring it out. But I think also too, as we learn in that journey is that we weren't born knowing everything. And some people may have better skills than we do, uh, at certain things, but it's because they've done that repetitively. So we need to, um, you know, kind of find that piece that it takes things take time. I think that is a drawback of the, uh, you know, I'll say you kids, you know, the, the younger generation and, uh, the instant gratification and I'm one I've lost my patience. And I think because, you know, we're so used to, uh, Google, you know, back in the day, when you had to walk across the room to get an encyclopedia, to look something up or go to heaven forbid you might even have to get on a bus and go down to the public library to look up, you know, but you know, you could ask yourself a question and it may be days or weeks before you could answer we're now, man, we can Google it and get the, anyway, the point is, I think that we've become so conditioned to instant gratification that, uh, you know, trying to work some patients in somewhere it's, it's difficult. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (11:00): Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:01): I think it all started with drive-throughs, you know, every week we think every place should have a drive-through no matter what it is, what the service is, whatever. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (11:08): Right. Exactly. Oh, we might have lost, um, give him just a second, see if he'll pop back up, but I'm afraid we might have lost the baby. Oh, well, we'll just keep talking. How about that? We'll give him a chance to pop back up, but, um, yeah. I mean, I think it's just, um, you know, the other thing I was going to talk about too, a little bit is social media has, um, it only shows usually the best of other people where, you know, there's other going on and sometimes that's even fake that we just everybody's life is not as perfect as it may appear on social media. So Terry - Feeding Fatty (12:00): I only want to show the good things. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought, I figured for sure you were bringing me up when you were talking about having patients. We got to, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (12:10): Yeah. We were just talking about patients. I'm not sure how much of that you heard, but we were just saying that, you know, we've all grown thin of patients, but we have to be patient with ourselves. For sure. D.B. Marshall (12:21): Yeah. Paige, you know, I used to make fun, uh, the elderly, I ain't gonna say elderly cause I'm in the staff. So I can remember the older generation sands, certain phrases, you know, like patience is a virtue and it didn't necessarily make sense to me because I didn't appreciate patients when I was younger. And every, since I hit like 40 patient has the hump a huge, huge part of my life. Terry - Feeding Fatty (12:48): Oh, just wait. Youth is wasted on the young. I remember that. That was a huge one. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (12:55): So what, what made you decide to write this book? Was there a specific, um, incident yeah. Something in life that happened or just some things that had been on your mind, you just wanted to get out finally. D.B. Marshall (13:06): Well, believe it or not, people have always told me that I should write a book based on just my life and my upbringing not faced a lot of different obstacles. And to me, they weren't obstacles until I started hanging around with other people. So in short we would poll. Okay. And so in a black community, you know, sometimes we have poor, we have Pope. And so PO is, is poor than poor, if that makes sense. So with that said, you know, we had the powder milk, the welfare cheese, uh, I mean the food stamps, I don't know if you all remember, but the food stamps used to actually be paper, like real paper with different colors. And so with that said, I went through a number of things and the thing that really, really took me there was the divorce. So I got divorced. Maybe it's been six years now. D.B. Marshall (13:58): And we were married for 10 years. And me personally, I really don't believe in divorce. I feel like, look, if we love each other, is there, if there is an odor of love, I'm going to work it, you know, I'm going to figure out what we can do. Unfortunately, that's my value. And I had to understand that's not everyone else's valued. And so what that said, it really hit hard. And in addition to that, there was some other things that was going on. I was dealing with racism. I was dealing with discrimination. I was dealing with, um, I remember going to work one day in a car, came out of nowhere and I had to avoid, um, from the car hitting me and I, my car ended up in a ditch and they literally had to get a tow truck and pulled me in my car, out of his ditch. D.B. Marshall (14:41): He was just so much that was going on. And so at that particular time, I said, you know what? I just shut down. And I went into a depression for about three, a little over three months. And so I took FMLA and took 12 weeks off and I didn't go to work. And here's the thing I had to make sure I did the work because when I went back to work, although I wasn't in the same position where I experienced the discrimination and racism, I still had to go back to the same organization in which I experienced the discrimination and racism, if that makes sense. So I had to make sure that I had the necessary tools to go back to deal with certain things that I knew that was going to trigger me. Yeah. And so that started the process of the book. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (15:25): Okay. Yeah. Very interesting. I guess it's, um, you know, and that's the time to take, to be very introspective. I think it's good. You know, I think what you mentioned though, is that, you know, getting yourself in that right place because coming out of a bad situation and doesn't matter, you know, there's so many of them, but if we come out of it, throwing yourself right back into it, before you have a chance to heal and get yourself right. With the position, you can even just send you further into those depressions. I'm sure that's correct. Yeah. D.B. Marshall (16:00): Yeah. And so you have to make sure that, you know, you have to make sure that you do the work. So I run into so many people who just don't do the work and, you know, we just kind of talking about diets and we were talking about food and stuff. So, you know, we see all of these commercials, just diet, emergencies, diet commercial. And, um, one thing I talk about in the book is like, facts are facts. You have to really understand what you're eating and you have to understand labels and you have to understand marketing and advertising that is on these packages because you know, their job is to pull you in to spend money and to these products. But most, most times when people do that, they start a particular program. And when they start that program, they ended up in a situation where they're doing it for all the wrong reasons. Um, they really haven't dealt with the psychological aspect of may being overweight or however it's affecting you. Right. Um, cause there's different reasons. And so when you don't deal with the psychological part, I don't care how many dieticians you get on. You're going to end up in the same particular place. So you have to first reprogram your mind. And once you change your thoughts, then you can change the feelings in the actions and the behaviors. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (17:08): Yeah. Yeah. And that's the most difficult part. And you know, like myself, you know, I've considered the surgeries over the years for sure. But, um, I've always thought that I even, the surgery won't help you, but in the short run, if you don't change what you think, because eventually you just go back to your old ways and then you have a lot more complications. And so that's one reason that, you know, we're striving really hard to change the behaviors where we can live this life from now on. It's not something that's very temporary, uh, or very, uh, you know, has an end date or an expiration. Cause the other thing about diets and programs and things like that I feel is that there's an end time. And then you have to go back to the real world to real life. And if you haven't figured out how to handle that, then it it's, it's a very short-lived victory for you. D.B. Marshall (18:04): Yeah. It'd be so nice if we can have, you know, all, um, Beyonce is coming. I don't know why, but why. So she have all of these professional people around her to make sure that she is maintained, but that's her work. Right. That's what she did pays to do. She gets paid to dance, entertain into look good. And so unfortunately we don't have those resources. And so we have the one worker full-time job at the sit here and determine what needs to go into our mouths and into our bellies. Then we got to turn around and we have to cook it. Then when we cook it, we got to hope that it tastes Terry - Feeding Fatty (18:41): That's my life right there. And Roy always says it does, I must say, D.B. Marshall (18:47): Yeah. So there's a trial and error right there. And so for me, one of the things that I did is that I eventually stopped eating because it tastes good. I didn't live to eat. I now, you know, eat because it's just the right thing to do. And now I can eat something. It don't necessarily taste good. So I can literally put a bunch of greens into my shake and eat that with no sweetener, like none. And I'm okay with that. But it took three to four years to get to that point. Yeah. So initially I started out with a bunch of fruit and just one vegetable. Then when I got used to that, I took out a fruit, added another vegetable. Then you learn what vegetables are, bitter, which ones are not so bitter, which one is stringy and you kind of like move from there. Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:40): Yeah. We've been, we've been messing with smoothies, you know, trying to do different smoothies and, and not put as much sweet stuff in it. Um, so we're kind of in that, in that learning mode, still about tasting good, cause you know, not much of a kale person Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (19:58): And I don't know about other people that, you know, have weight issues or eating problems, but I think you, you hit on what mine is. Is that food, uh, food is fun. I mean, that's, you know, it's like there was a period in life that, you know, you went out to eat or to be with friends to talk, socialize, but then, you know, and, uh, I've shared this example before, but um, one day Terry was out running around and I thought she was going to stop at the Chick-Filet and bring home a spicy chicken sandwich for me. But she called me, you know, when she was almost home and she's, I said, Oh, he got some lunch. And she said, uh, yeah, there's a salmon and some salad in the fridge. And I'm just telling you that the air just went out to me. The life just was out of, I was so excited about this Chick-fil-A sandwich and then the salmon and the salad were awesome. There was nothing wrong with it, but it was just the excitement of that. So anyway, it's funny that I don't know, like I said, other people, but a big part of me is I feel like, well, I'm not having fun if we're not out eating and trying and doing new things D.B. Marshall (21:08): And that, and that's very true. So most of eating is socialization, right? And it's one of the things that brain communities, family neighborhoods together is when we sit down, um, and make a meal and Oh my God don't even get me what potlucks, but then there's downside to that. So, um, I want you guys to do this. When you sit down and you eat, I want you to analyze your food, right. I want you to go research more. I want you to analyze it and I want you to be able to tie and get a little post-it or something and identify what I call the feel-good foods. Okay. And so then, then you identified the not some feel good. And so you're probably going to realize that the feel-good foods are cards, right? It's the thing that sit on your stomach and you get lazy and you be like, Oh, they are so good. D.B. Marshall (22:04): And you rub your belly, take it down. And so those are the things and the reason that they are for feel-good foods and we get sleepy and take that because I bleed chemically, you know, really reduces that inner G within our system that make us yeah. And so once we get to that point where, um, we can identify those particular foods, I always tell people, just be mindful of what you put on your plate. And so, I mean, you can either get the play and actually label it, you know, feel good food. Cause we used to say meats, carbs and vegetables and stuff. No, actually label it. And it will remind you, okay, I need to get a small portion of this and a little bit more of that. And you realize you won't get tired as fast. You won't get snippy because a lot of the times the car turns into sugar. It's the sugar that actually either, you know, bring us down or actually increase our energy. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (23:04): Okay. Yeah, no, I like your point too, about, um, you know, coming off of stuff gradually. And I think that's a good thing like with the field, good is, you know, you may start out with half your plate, is that feel good? But if you just kind of narrow that down over time, uh, you could probably kind of wean yourself off of it where you're not. So, you know, I hate to say dependent, but I guess it is, you know, food and carbs are carbs are very addictive. I've heard that they are addictive as a lot of drugs are because they give us that that feel good and that, uh, you know, they give us that little pick me up that we're all looking for too and sugar and caffeine, all of right. D.B. Marshall (23:47): I completely agree in what you do and things like that. And I always tell people say the feel-good foods for those very stressful times, you know, like either way out, because that trust me, they come in, there's no way you're going to live on this earth and you are not going to be hit with something unexpected. And I try to do my best to do that. So for lent, I gave up Reese's peanut butter cups and Pepsi, I love Reese's peanut butter cups and Pepsi, right. Full of carbs. And so with that said, that's my go-to when I'm feeling some kind of way I go to Reese's peanut butter cups and um, yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (24:22): Canceled Lindt for this year. Right. COVID and then 20, 21, you know, I thought they canceled it for this year. Now your peanut butter cups down. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (24:38): Yeah. It, um, I guess it's, uh, the that's and that's kind of where patients I think comes in or where we talk about patients. It's our, maybe the gratification that we, you know, we think we have to, uh, well, we do, we have to limit that intake of that bad stuff, but, um, we just have to reach deep down inside to, to get that willpower in order to know that it's the best for us. And sometimes that's, that's difficult as well. It's like, even though we're eating something bad, we know we shouldn't be eating it. We know there's a healthier choice, but it's just that, um, the willpower to do what we know is right, D.B. Marshall (25:16): Right. We have to understand that some of us don't possess that willpower. Right. And so then that's when they come and we have to make sure we have accountability partners too, to just make sure they kind of checking us, checking in on us, just to make sure we're doing what we supposed to do, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (25:30): Which kind of comes full circle to the, uh, the part about, you know, having to admit our weaknesses. Cause a lot of us, you know, we don't want to admit that we need that help or that we have a problem, you know, with that eating or with that specific food. But we have to, at some point you just have to let all that go and say, yeah, I need that help. D.B. Marshall (25:51): Yeah. And you know, and sometimes changing the wording to where actually helped change your mindset and also change your emotion and change your behavior. And so I, I no longer use weakness. So I talk about this in a book. So I always tell people to know your strength and your weaknesses. Right. But, and to, to kind of speed that up, Dan started exploring what weakness is. And so oftentimes society has actually conditioned us to believe like, you know, you're less than, or you're not good enough, so we can kind of change a weakness to me, an opportunity. I think we can look at things a little bit differently, right? So this is my strength and these are the opportunities. And to me, a weakness is nothing but an opportunity that you are in a process of trying to master. And that's part of your self discovery, right? You continue to work on this particular thing. That opportunity is there. If you live in and you breathe in and you can move, that's an opportunity to change. Terry - Feeding Fatty (26:44): That is really good. I like that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (26:46): Yeah. Because we could take, instead of it, well, you know, I'll just, I won't, I'm wanting a pizza. And so instead of taking that as a failure, that I'm going to eat a pizza, I could take it as an opportunity that I can eat something else, eat something healthy and get those carbs Terry - Feeding Fatty (27:01): Eight, that'd be ground Turkey that I'm going to wish up for dinner or something. D.B. Marshall (27:06): And it goes back to what you are, what you said with your pastor. He said, yeah, we have these thoughts, but we still have the decision. Right. So it gives you that authority. And that's what we have to understand. We have to start learning to walk into walk and speak with authority because I don't think we do that enough. And yeah, you may fall off the bike when you try to do that. But guess what? Tomorrow is another day and you can try it again. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (27:28): Yeah. Yeah. That's another big thing is the, well, I came off the tracks yesterday and did it. And so you, you know, like for me, you kind of break that momentum and then it's easier to mess up tomorrow instead of, you know, control alt delete, get it out of your mind. We had a situation yesterday, whatever that was, but today is going to be different and you got to come out fighting again. D.B. Marshall (27:53): No, I completely, I completely agree. Um, it's never, it's never too late. I appreciate it all the time. It's never too late. I remember watching the episode, uh, Matt, um, Oprah's masterclass and she had Morgan Freeman on there and he was telling me, we kind of explaining how he became an actor in his fifties. I was like, what? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (28:12): I read that not long ago that he was in his fifties before he even started, which is crazy. D.B. Marshall (28:18): Exactly. And I was like, look, I just started 47. And you know, I've been beaten up, you know, I, I'm not, I'm going to be honest. I dyed my beard, just hide my gray. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:30): I was going to say, it looks good. D.B. Marshall (28:35): Yeah. Thank you. But you know, you know, when we're changing and we meaning these, um, I call it age and milestone. It doesn't feel good. It's like you almost lose in control of who you used to be. And that's a very difficult process. And so when I saw that with Morgan Freeman, I was like, he landed his first star road and it's been driving miss Daisy. You know what? It just, it just motivated me to keep going. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:58): I, I did. I actually watched that the other day. Um, that was such a good movie at, well, I could go on anyway. You say, you said Beyonce and Morgan Freeman and I'm there. I like, I be on say, Oh, I'm part of the beehive. Yup. Now I'm looking at, sorry, I probably should've put reaching on it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (29:22): You know, aging is a whole big part of this too. I think it's, uh, well, you know, in our younger years it was easier to transition to, you know, go out and lose a few pounds or, you know, we're more active where it seems like, uh, you know, especially with the COVID and everything we've been going through. Uh, we're just not out about as much. And, uh, you know, thank goodness the cold weather seems to be behind us. So we're hoping to be able to get out and walk around the neighborhood a little bit more. But, um, yeah, you know that, and I know we've, you know, we have guests on that. I realize that there's a separation between, uh, you know, we can't always exercise our way to losing weight and being slim. It's, you know, 80% of it's what we put in, but what I can tell you for myself is that if I'm out being walking and exercising and being healthy, it is so much easier for me to eat. Right. Just because I feel better about myself, where, you know, when you're kind of locked in the house on a winter day and you're watching some TV, you know, that's when all the, uh, all those foods that we shouldn't be eating, that's when they're all the very best. D.B. Marshall (30:34): Well, I'm going to give you something to try. I did this with one of them. I don't know if I told you I am a, um, an intern clinician. So I'm in the process of getting my, um, clinical license. Okay. But one of the things that I encourage, one of my patients, because she has her favorite show. So what's your favorite show, Roy? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (30:52): Oh my gosh. Closer. Yeah. The Clover, D.B. Marshall (30:56): The closer I are looking at the closer, there's no reason when you're looking at it. Cause it's you going to look at that everywhere, right? Yeah. I'm assuming it comes on every week you get down, you get you a mat and you start doing leg lifts when you started doing crunches and you know, and you can just move your legs while you're actually looking at it. And then when the commercial time comes to commercials, it's usually three to four minutes. Then you can get up and you can do some jumping jacks. So you can do some squats, but you can do something. So, you know, those are times that, you know, you can won how that instrument mama was the closer, but to also have that intimate moment with herself, that's something that I, I encourage people. There's no reason to look at your favorite shows and sit down and eat chips. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (31:38): Well, I was just going to say, I was going to say, when you're, I'm doing leg lifts, that's going to make it hard to eat chips, but we're on crunch now, but that's an excellent idea is, and I'm guilty as anybody of not thinking, you know, not taking those little opportunities that we don't have to do a lot of strenuous something, uh, you know, crazy. But just like you said, just getting down in the floor, just moving around and, uh, stretching, you know, that's something else that we've talked about quite a bit, but I just, um, feel extremely tight. And that's one thing that I feel would help me a lot better. A lot more is just a stretch. And, uh, you know, I'd been over the other day doing something and I like to throw my back out just because I was so tight that, uh, anyway, I just always feel like I do better, you know, when I'm in that physical moment and doing really good, you know, I don't, you don't want to come home and eat, I guess, because the endorphins that are released through the exercise probably are some of the ones that you get from whatever you're eating as well. D.B. Marshall (32:43): Yeah. And that's real good. And, um, that is a awesome, awesome, um, topic or a mentionable that you just stated it's stretching. So that's something that I just recently got into and I'm learning that we should stretch more as we become older. Um, just because the way that the body works, things become really tight. We don't exercise as much. And so if you can, all of us, you know, I encourage you, if you're at 40 years old, that you really just get into yoga and stretching because it acts in your life big time. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (33:17): Okay. Yeah. And there's actually a shop that's opened up here close to us. We went and tried it. Uh, it's a place that they stretch you out and, you know, they have like a, uh, um, I guess it's a little bit different than a massage table, but kind of like an exam table, but they stretch your legs, your back your arms. And, uh, it's amazing how I was a little sore, but it really felt good just to get stretched out really good. D.B. Marshall (33:41): And, um, another couple of things I just want to mention. So for men, I always encourage men over the age. Uh, I would say 40 as well to, um, get your, to Tasha on levels check. Um, studies shows that I touched her on levels peak at 25. And so when we see a decrease in our two top small, it's easier for us to pick up fat and in fact increases tremendously. So a lot of times a lot of the stuff happens. Ady erectile dysfunction that happens, um, tired being tired and or sad. Just a lot of stuff kind of happens because their body is transitioning. Um, and for women, I always encourage women, probably the age of 40, just to make sure that they are doing any type dude, like strength training, just make sure they're doing strength, training and light, light weightlifting. And I say that for like weightlifting, because women's shared, right? So you all have your menstrual cycles and things of that. And when you share that, because you've been sharing so much, your bones get more brittle as you age. And so that's why a lot of older women deals with osteoporosis than men. So they deal with, but the bone issues. So just to make sure that you are doing something that, um, that is weight bearing and building a muscle, because we know that women muscles are a little bit harder to develop in men because of the Totara thrown in the extra numbers. Right? Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:06): Yeah, it does. That's true. I mean, I, I just re I have off and on for the last couple of years taking calcium, but I've been taking it pretty, pretty good for a few months now, you know, daily, I did, I had a checkup and of course that's one of the things that the doctor was talking about. Cause I've, you know, I've got aches and pains, you know, and if I don't get out and walk, I don't much like to go to the gym other than to use use, um, you know, to walk, to walk there. But I do love to walk around where we live. Um, and if I don't get out and do that, I can, I can so tell a difference. But, uh, yeah, the calcium definitely has been helping as far as with some of my aches and pains, the ones that can be helped, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (35:52): You know, something that's been kind of on my mind to the last, uh, last few days is, uh, w we were looking up some questions that people ask all the time and once what, uh, you know, what is considered a low carb diet. And so it kind of talked a little bit about it, but I think it's important to mention that, you know, when we veer off or when we make changes, the first thing we always say is, you know, we're not doctors. So always seek out, you know, a medical professional, registered dietician or nutritionist, but, um, people, I think there's a domino effect that when you cut something are increased, something, it changes the macro and micro nutrients that you receive. And, you know, it's important. We always recommend getting, um, you know, getting an app or marking it down, however, you can track it. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (36:39): But, you know, they got some apps that are good because that way you can see that, um, you can actually be doing more harm to yourself. You may be losing weight like you want, but, you know, there are things that you could be messing up in that process. So it's always, uh, I think it's always advisable just to watch those nutrients to make sure you're getting as much of everything, you know, and, uh, I think iron is another one for women that, that they have an issue with where men don't and, you know, like my doctor said, be, be careful of iron because, you know, you can do too much of it for the men. And so again, it just, um, we just have to be very careful about tweaking all this stuff and not, you know, I think the moderation is probably the key word for anything that we want to try to do. D.B. Marshall (37:27): Yeah. It goes back to pacing, your strides, what we were talking about earlier. It's like, it's a pace always, always, you know, get your animals. The animal is going to give you a lab person. A doctor is going to pretty much give you recommendations or where you need to go. So I completely understand what you're saying about that. Um, in my opinion, um, and it's just an opinion. I always, when people are struggling with the carbs, I encouraged him to kind of wean off of carbs and increase the fats. Right. So the carbs have the sugar that's processed in your system and the fact necessarily we don't, so you have the avocados, you have your olive oils and things of that. Well, we've always been taught that carbs, give you energy, what fat does too. Yeah. Right. Nobody never talked about fat when we were growing up. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (38:07): You know, and there's, um, you know, there's been some anecdotical anecdotic. Yeah, Terry - Feeding Fatty (38:13): Yeah, yeah. Anecdotal. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (38:16): But dance will say that, uh, you know, there's been some evidence that you can look at the, um, the increase in Alzheimer's and trace that back to the beginning of our low, uh, low, fat fad that we had in the late seventies and early eighties. D.B. Marshall (38:34): Yeah, absolutely. Right. It's funny, you said, I just wrote a whole blog on how, um, fats actually help with all times. And so if you have a healthy fat content, um, and understand, there are difference between saturated and unsaturated because they are two completely, two different things. You know, I'm just looking at it as just fast. But if you go out there and you get the healthy fats, um, they can definitely hurt help with, uh, cognition, the brain condition, and you can decrease your chances of experiencing dementia and Alzheimer's Alzheimer's itself. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (39:11): So anyway, I just, uh, you know, I just always like to put that out there is that, you know, making these subtle changes, but, uh, it, it can be good, but we just don't want to be, uh, you know, we just don't want to go crazy because so many people are like, well, I think it's, it gets, again, it gets back to patients is like so many people are like, all right, I'm cutting all my carbs out. I'm not ever eating another one. And, uh, you know, they expect that they've been putting weight on for 10 years and it's like, well, they cut carbs out yesterday. And then they're looking at you today. Like, well, why haven't I lost all that weight that I put on? You know, Terry - Feeding Fatty (39:45): Over the last 10 years I have true dad doesn't work today. D.B. Marshall (39:49): It's always healthy to like, create that baseline. So the baseline would be when you go to the doctor and they say, Hey, you know what? I've got a thought, you know what I'm saying? You don't have hypertension. You don't have high cholesterol because you need to know all of that information before you start implementing any kind of diet. Now I'm real good about going to my physicians. Um, you know, twice a year, I that's just, just for me. Yeah. And that insurance don't always pay for it, you know, but you know, sometimes I pay out of pocket, but you have to understand where you're going and you need someone or a professional expert to monitor you while you've making these subtle changes. Because like you said, you throw something out of whack and you, all of a sudden, you feeling sad. Are you depressed in your chemical imbalance? It's just going to just, you're going to start all over again. Terry - Feeding Fatty (40:35): Right. And if you have, and if you're on medication also, I mean, you just have to, you just have, there's so many factors that have to be weighed out before you make any changes. ADA. Yeah. Eight is barking. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (40:47): The clock, the dogs are going off. They're like alarms, when it's time for them Terry - Feeding Fatty (40:51): To eat. They know I Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (40:53): Was just going to speak to your, uh, you know, the carbs about you saying coming off those gradually. Cause I've got kind of, it's a comical story, but, uh, it's been about three or four years ago when my doctor diagnosed me with type two diabetes and he said, look, I want you to get your carbs down and try to stay between 40 and 60 a day. And I'm like, okay. So that was on like a Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday. And so, uh, Friday and Saturday as I'm working around the house, I start feeling terrible. I mean, like I felt like right at the top of my head was fixing to blow off. And I thought I was having some kind of a, uh, high blood pressure event. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm fixing to have a stroke and dying, you know? So I just, like, my goal was just to live through the weekend and, you know, get back to see this guy. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (41:41): And so I called him up Monday. I'm like, I've got to come see you. And he's like, well, you're just here thirsty. What's up. I said, well, so I feel like I'm having a stroke or something. My head's fixing to blow off. And he started laughing. He's like, have you been holding your carbs down? And I said, yeah, I've been trying to keep between 40 and 60. He said, yeah, you're just having carb withdrawals. He said, you know, he said, he said, carbs are so addictive that he said, it's just like a drug that, you know, you come off of it. He said, you're going to feel bad for three or four days or maybe even a week. But he said, stick with it and you'll get yourself through it. So I always laugh about that, that, you know, we don't realize how addicting. And, uh, like you said earlier, these companies formulate foods in order to sell more of them. And so sometimes the things that we eat, uh, you know, that's something, when you start looking at carbs, you will find that they are hidden Terry - Feeding Fatty (42:36): Everywhere. Really has a where D.B. Marshall (42:41): The devil, I call him the devil is what I call them devils because they are hitting like, you know, there's carbs and fruit, there's carbs and vegetables like you, when you really sit down and I'm, and I talk about this in the book, you know, the facts are facts. You sit down and read. You'll be like, Oh my God, I did not know that they had that sugar count or that, um, carb count. But they are every single way you can't get away from them. Terry - Feeding Fatty (43:06): Banana banana has like 20 carbs in it. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (43:10): Yeah. And you know, I think it's good to say. Two's like the banana instead of eating a whole one, you know, we've just kind of cut back to where we can eat a quarter or half at a time. And that's what, um, sometimes I feel like I have the all or nothing mentality. It's like, well, that whole banana is bad. So we just can't eat any of it. That's not true. Maybe we don't need the whole thing. Let's just portion out to take a piece that we need from it. Yeah. D.B. Marshall (43:35): Um, yeah, I don't do it. It's it's, you're setting yourself up to fail when you do that, when you try to remove it, because you don't even realize how much your body actually urines and depend on it until you completely remove it. And then you're just walking around and you bugging out and you're snapping over snacks, everybody, like, what is wrong with me today? Do you stop eating the banana? Terry - Feeding Fatty (43:58): Right? Yeah. You're just conditioned to it because that's what you've been doing. And that's how you've been doing it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (44:05): What DB, thank you so much for your time. I know you've been very generous and stayed with us a little longer, but we appreciate it. It's a great conversation. So, uh, before we let you go, a couple of questions first off is what is a tool or a habit, or what's something that you do every day in your daily life that you feel adds a lot of value. D.B. Marshall (44:25): One of the things that I do, and you might find that a little crazy, but I literally get on Facebook and I go into my messenger and I usually send them random, good mornings. And I love you or hellos. You'll be surprised how many people go throughout the day with no one saying I love you. And so, since I am a product of love and I also see myself as a universal servant, I extend love. And so I randomly go on Facebook and I just say, good morning, or Hey, or I love you have anybody said, I love you. And then I get the weirdest responses. They be like, huh? What? Okay. It's foreign to them. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (45:02): That's awesome. I love that. Cool. I do too. I love that. Now. We just certainly never know where people are in the journey. And sometimes that well-placed good morning or I love you can really do a lot to brighten up people's day. So I love that. Let's all start. D.B. Marshall (45:19): I say this. Believe it or not. I stopped three people from committing suicide, attempting suicide. Not doing that. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (45:28): That's awesome. All right. Well, let's make a commitment this week. We'll send out more of those messages like that and see if we can, that would be a good trend to pick up on love and kindness. Yup. Yup. All right, DB. Well, thanks a lot. So tell everybody course, how can they reach out and talk, tell us about the book, how they can reach out and get ahold of you. D.B. Marshall (45:49): Awesome. So I'm on every social media platform, LinkedIn Instagram, Facebook, where the love, loves pursuit, P U R S U I T a T L. The ATL short for Atlanta. So lovespursuitATL. You can find out a lot of different things that I'm doing, um, because I am doing a, like I'm in the community all the time. In addition to that, um, lovespursuitatl.net is where you can purchase. My book. Book actually will be the launch on March the 17th next week. [inaudible], you know, I'm on this campaign trying to encourage everybody like, Hey, I tried to become a best seller. I've been on that campaign there. So those are the two, well, all the places in which you can reach me. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (46:39): Okay. Awesome. Well, we certainly appreciate that. Y'all reach out, pick up a copy, get on your social media this week and let's spread a little love and a little, a little happiness and joy where we can, we never know who needs that in our life. So congratulations on the book. Congratulations. And also we'll say that you are finishing up your dissertation, so we wish you well with getting that taken care of. Yes. We want to remove that. We want to remove that label that we talked about prior to that we want to remove the ABD after your name D.B. Marshall (47:15): Acronyms or something else. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Want To Make a Positive Change Perceive Your Weakness as an Opportunity (47:17): Yeah. That's all right. All right. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Uh, this is Roy necessary, so you can always find us at www.feedingfatty.com we're on all the major social media platforms. And we are also on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Google, Stitcher, Spotify for not on one that you listened to reach out, we'll be sharing it. You added also a copy or a video of this interview will go up on YouTube when we release as well. So until next time, take care of yourself. www.lovespursuitatl.net www.feedingfatty.com
The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting with Cheryl McColgan Is low carb and Keto really sustainable? Cheryl has been doing low carb for the last five years and Keto for four with great results. She lost some weight, along with improvement in long-term anxiety, depression, sleeping, and brain fog. Cheryl also talked about the benefits of intermittent fasting. Giving our bodies time to heal and decreasing inflammation. About Cheryl: Cheryl is the founder and editor of Heal Nourish Grow, an ultimate wellness, healthy lifestyle and advanced nutrition site. She helps others develop the confidence and habits to create lasting change and greater health by sharing her wealth of knowledge and over 25 years of experience in psychology, addictions studies, fitness, nutrition, yoga, health and wellness. Coaching others to reach their personal version of ultimate wellness is her passion. Cheryl came to low carb and keto in 2016 after a particularly difficult time in her life in which she was gaining weight, not sleeping well and overly stressed, despite lots of healthy behaviors. Once she began low carb, there was a huge shift in her health and outlook. Not only did she lose the weight she gained, but long term anxiety, depression, sleep and brain fog greatly improved. At nearly 48 she’s feeling better than ever and uses her experience and research into keto to educate and coach others to greater health and wellness. She posts keto food ideas daily on her Instagram stories and recipes, research and wellness content at HealNourishGrow.com. www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (00:01): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm your host, Roy Terry. So where the podcast, you know, we're journaling our, we are kind of chronicling my journey through the health and wellness, trying to become, uh, more, more healthy and have more wellness through, uh, nutrition, physical fitness, uh, mindset, just, uh, you know, kind of well-rounded well-balanced is we're not necessarily, uh, you know, doing anything that's off the charts. And from time to time, we also bring guests that are professionals in this field. And today we're a fortunate, fortunate enough to have Cheryl McCall going with us. She is the founder and editor of heal, nourish grow, and ultimate wellness, healthy lifestyle, and advanced nutrition site. She helps others develop the confidence and habits to create lasting change and greater health by sharing her wealth of knowledge and over 25 years experience in psychology, addictions, addiction, studies, fitness, nutrition, yoga, health, and wellness. Cheryl, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. We certainly appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks so much. You bet. If you wouldn't mind, tell us a little bit about your journey. I know that, uh, you know, we've talked a little bit about in 2006, you kind of came to the low carb and keto after, um, you know, some particular, a particular time in your life. So if you could just give us a little background on that, that would be great. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (01:35): Yeah. I think it's actually 2016 or something like that, but we can, Oh yeah, no worries. We'll give you the timeframe, just cause some people like to know how long you've been doing this because you know, a lot of things you hear in the media is media is like is low carb and keto, is it really sustainable? Well, I've been, you know, low carb for five years at this point in keto for four. So I would venture to say it's pretty darn sustainable. Um, but how I got into it from a health perspective is, um, I had, you know, like everybody getting a little older was working a really stressful job and was starting to put on some weight. And I was not super happy about that because my whole life I've been focused on health and wellness. Right. And I wasn't really eating anything substantially different or doing anything, but I wasn't sleeping well. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (02:20): And I had a lot of stress in PS for people out there, weight loss as a goal, getting stressed and sleep under control is a bigger component of that than anybody likes to talk about or wants to think about, but it is don't we know. Um, so anyway, once I started kind of digging around and I'd done it all at this point, so I'm going to be 48 here shortly. And I grew up in the nineties where it was a low fat craze still and you know, all through my teenage years. And I don't think I ever like touched butter for years and years and years because I was so, you know, low fat and then I was vegetarian for seven years. So every time I would come across a paradigm where I thought it was, you know, the healthiest thing, right. Uh, I would, I would do that and I'm pretty committed. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (03:05): So I built for awhile, but, uh, I think one of the benefits is I'm also very science-minded and open to learning about new things. And so whenever I'm faced with new information, new studies, new research, that kind of goes against what I might've previously been doing. Aren't willing to take that on. And so when I started reading about keto and low carb and, um, you know, when I first started there, wasn't nearly as many resources and things as there are now. Um, but I've read enough that it, it convinced me that, yeah, this is what I need to doing. This makes a lot of sense if I think about it in, you know, how we eat or how we should eat from an evolutionary perspective, um, you know, it made perfect sense. And so I kind of just jumped right in and really, really quickly started feeling a lot better. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (03:53): I lost the weight that I had put on. Um, had a lot of really amazing brain benefits. I actually think that's one of the biggest reasons that people should, um, you know, be watching their carb and sugar intake is because the effects long-term effects it can have on your brain. Um, so yeah, so I don't know if that answers your question. That's how I got into it. And I've taught yoga for over 10 years and was a runner and all this crazy stuff. So all this health and wellness stuff has just been a part of my life for really, you know, my whole adult life now. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (04:22): And you have a, um, a health issue as well. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (04:26): I did. So I actually make it as short as possible. I had had a fibroid tumors and by the way, if I knew what I knew now, I probably would've changed my diet then, because those kinds of gross and things in your body can really be fueled by glucose and sugar. But I had a ton of proprietaries, a lot of pain ended up having a partial hysterectomy. Um, and then a few years later it started having some more problems and long story short of how they did the surgery. It, it, the fibroids ended up in planting all over my abdomen. So then I, they thought I had cancer for a while. I to live for two months thinking I had cancer before I went to the Mayo clinic and they took them all out. Thankfully, no cancer. It really was a huge wake up call. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (05:09): Uh, like I said, I, you know, I'd been involved in all these health and wellness practices for years and years for up to that point. Um, but then to still realize like, Hey, I, you know, I'm doing all these healthy things, but I still have this major problem. What else is there? And that's kind of when I started going off the deep end with the research and sort of the, um, you know, biohacking type of things, these kind of more advanced methods, um, to work on, you know, getting your health back in particular metabolic health. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (05:41): Yeah. And that's, you know, a good point that you bring up is, uh, so much has come to light here about the inflammation and how it's, uh, you know, I, I may be over-exaggerating this, but it seems that inflammation team tends to be a catalyst for so many things for it to go wrong with us. And I think that the, if I'm not mistaken, the carbs and the sugar, they actually can fuel that inflammation even more. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (06:08): Absolutely couldn't agree more. I mean, the more and more I read it and research and listened to other doctors that work in these fields and talk about it. Um, the inflammation is the root over in, I mean, inflammation in and of itself is not a negative cause it's your body's response to a pain process or a, for something insult right. And it's actually needed for healing. But the problem is we're more state of information all the time. Right. And carp Kroger certainly do that a lot as do you, um, polyunsaturated that's, they're finding a lot of these vegetable things like soy and corn oils are very, very inflammatory and people as well. So there's this whole other side that you can go to neon just, um, you know, restricting carbs and sugar is, you know, these other ingredients that are also kind of harmful to us and also environmental factors, different chemicals. I mean, there's just so much it can be overwhelming sometimes. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (07:01): Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And you know, the other thing about carbs is, um, the addiction factor. You know, we talked a little bit about this when we had a conversation the other day, and it's, it's important that people realize that my opinion, again, carbs are basically like, uh, smoking alcohol crack, crack crack, you know, it's, it's, it's an addiction and we don't realize, I don't think we give ourselves enough of a break to say, we've got to, um, it's gonna take some time to move away from eating this heavy carb. And you, you're probably in a better position to explain that, um, also the carbs and the sugars they release, I guess the, the good endorphins. So you go back to your sleep, you know what you said? And, um, we, we seek that for energy, but we also seek it when we need to have a little bit of a emotional lift, I guess. Yeah, Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (08:05): Yeah, absolutely. Because when you eat sugar sweets and particularly the food industry has at this point designed food that is perfectly the amount of salt, sugar fat in it, that lights up your brain. And so it is addictive in a very, very real way. Uh, you know, you eat some sugar, you get a dopamine release in your brain. Dopamine is happy. Uh neuro-transmitter right. So it's, uh, there's every reason to believe that it's truly addictive, not only in a physiological way, but also just, uh, uh, habit and emotional way is like, it's what we tend to reach for when we're celebrating or when we're sad or when we're, everything is really around food, you know, greens and everything. So, and that's the sad thing about it in comparison to other addictions is for example, you don't need alcohol to live, right? In fact, most of us will be better off without it, even though I love it red, line's good. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (09:04): The beauty of those kinds of addictions, like cocaine or alcohol or whatever it is, you don't need those to live. You can go cold Turkey, you can leave those behind and your body functions even a thousand times better without it. But that's not the case with food. You still have to eat something. Um, so you can't, you can't go cold Turkey. You can't just stop eating. I mean, although we are going to talk about fasting today kind of later, but, um, you know, that's the challenge with the food addiction is that you do actually have to still eat. And that is one thing that really low carb or keto helps with is that it puts your hormones, ghrelin and leptin or your hunger hormones. Right. So Raelin, I always like to think of it as, you know, the little gremlins that from the movie back in the eighties, like crazy after dark, if you feed them. So that's your hug. And that's how I remember that one. And then leptin is more the satiety hormone. So what happens as you do keto over time is that these hormones balance out a lot more. And so it becomes easier for people to avoid the carbs and sugar because they're not hormonally being signaled to constantly eat that food again. So I think that in that regard, it's really a great way of eating for people to have a true food addiction. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (10:17): Yeah. And the other thing, uh, what I've noticed is, um, you can actually have a carb or I guess maybe people react different, but I've actually felt like I've had carb hangovers before where, you know, you get up in the morning and, um, well you just, your head feels stopped up. You just feel cloudy and, you know, you can trace that back to some, you know, around here going out and eating, uh, you know, Mexican food with chips and very carb heavy. And, you know, I noticed the cleaner I eat, I wake up in the mornings, much clear headed and just not congested in all stopped up and probably some food allergies in there as well. Not saying it's all that, but I, I guess I feel like I've kind of linked that back to, you know, if I eat a heavy carbs the previous day, I can expect that next morning that it'll take me a couple of hours to get out from under it. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (11:12): Yup. I definitely heard the same thing from other people. And I think it, you know, everybody is a little bit bio-individual and so somebody, maybe if you eat a whole food carb, like sweet potatoes, for example, might have a different effect than some of the more processed things. But, you know, that's just something people kind of learn over time what really works. Yeah. But in general, I would say would be better with anything that's whole foods, even if it's more carby that, that tends to agree with people's systems a little better. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (11:42): Yeah. And I was talking about the totally bad carbs in, uh, you know, fried, fried, fried phase. Is that, yeah, it's like a carbon, a good sweet potato. Uh, uh, probably not as much, Oh, Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (11:56): Ever feed hard to, uh, you know, really gain weight or, or have a whole lot of trouble. You're really, truly only eating whole foods. So I think, you know, for a lot of people that think that they can never, you know, give up, totally give up carbs. It's like, well, you know, we're not saying do this forever. We're saying, you know, depending on what your goals are and where your health status is, I think you shared with me when we had our pre-call that you had diabetes. So obviously you have some different things, different goals there, then maybe some other people that are, you know, safe, your only need to lose weight and you're not diabetic, you know, you might be able to enjoy carbs a little bit more. I think it's always like, what are your goals is what I always go back to. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (12:35): Yeah. And I just, you know, I have to be careful with the carbs because they do, you know, I can check your blood sugar enough, you see that they, especially the bad ones. And that's what I'm talking about is just eating really poor, poor choices, junk. You know, I can see that it just drives me up where, you know, you can eat more of the better carbs or the other thing too. I think if you, um, if you mix it with a fiber, I don't know, there's all kinds of combinations that you can do to make it a little better, but trying to get out and take a walk. That's another thing that I've done is, uh, you know, after a meal, just trying to get out short 10 minute walk or something to kind of walk that down helps a lot as well. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (13:18): No, there's definitely this idea of, you know, glucose disposal. And so, uh, walking or exercise after eating a higher carb meal is a great example of that because it drives your blood sugar down more quickly. Uh, there's also a supplement that I'd like to mention for people that might not be familiar with it called berberine. Um, there's been some studies on that and that is actually almost as effective as Warman in controlling glucose, after party meals. So if you're a person we're saying love Mexican food, and you know, you're going to have some chips that night and maybe some of the beans or whatever, then it might be a good idea to take some berberine with that meal so that it mitigates some of the impact of the carbs. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (14:00): Okay, cool. I'll write that down. Yeah. All right. So, um, Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:04): So you mentioned fasting, sorry. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (14:06): No, no. That's where I, that's where I was actually going to go there. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:08): Okay. So you mentioned fasting. What are the benefits of fasting? I mean, there are so many different time. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (14:16): I think he might still be muted. I can't hear you. Can you hear me now? Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (14:20): No. Um, it's look like we've lost. Can you hear me? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (14:26): I can hear you now. And now they're curious. Oh, Whoa. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:30): I don't like not being all excited. I was like, I was like, fascinating, fascinating. So can we talk about the benefits of fasting and then there's so many different times, you know, you know, from four hours to 12 to 16, and then you said 60 other day and my eyes Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (14:52): Almost popped out of my head. Um, so can we talk about that? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (14:57): Absolutely. And this is one of the things I am most passionate about for a variety of reasons that we'll probably get to at some point, but I really feel like it's one of the most powerful health tools that we have outside of your diet. So if you have somebody that's really resistant to ever, you know, going low carb or really changing their diet, if they can just incorporate fasting, it has got a huge impact. And, um, the thing is it's, it's, it's slightly more challenging when you aren't eating low carb to fast because you haven't even got that blood sugar. So you're going to have those spikes and you're still going to be getting all these hormonal signals to eat, which makes it, it just makes it more challenging. Uh, once you become low carbon, you've done it for a long time. Your body becomes what we call fat adapted, which means it's very trained and all of your medic metabolic processes have upregulated in order to be able to use fat for fuel. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (15:46): And so if you don't eat, that's fine because your body has, you know, even the thinnest among us has a ton of body fat that you could live off of for days if you needed. Um, so I think it's still doable. I've had plenty of people do extended fast that are not keto or not low carb, and it's just, they can do it. It's just more challenging. So before we get into the different types, like you said, though, I kind of just want to like touch on this idea of why fasting is so powerful and also why local Speaker 4 (16:21): Amazon's here. Amazon's here, Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (16:34): Come here, come here, honey. At the door. It was Amazon one last bell. Whoops. He is, Oh my gosh. Terribly behaved dogs. They're very protected. Cut off. Wait, gosh. Oh my gosh. Now, where were we fast? Yeah, you were going to, you know, let's just back up and talk a little bit about, you know, what, what it is, and then you were going to say, you know, what are some of the benefits that we can gain from that? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (17:08): Yep. So the, before all that, just a little backstory, there's kind of two ideas of, uh, weight loss at this point are two theories, right? And calories in calories out. We all know that women that's, what's been hammered into us for years, eat less, move more. It's all about the calories. Right, right. Um, and there are plenty of people that will just hammer that until the day they die. But the true why is somewhere in between, it's not just calories in an inner energy expenditure. There's this other side that's hormonal that we kind of touched on a little bit. Um, but what happens with keto and fasting is that you regulate some of these hormones out and that contributes weight loss as well. And then there's kind of this other one that's been coming around the keto space lately. And that's this idea of polyunsaturated fats, which I mentioned before, the bad vegetable oils that create inflammation there, they actually, the two guys that do this are super techie and super scientific, but I'm going to say it in the most basic way that basically mucks up your mitochondria. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (18:10): So your mitochondria or the part of your cell that generates energy. And when you have too much polyunsaturated that it just kind of messes that whole system up and it doesn't allow you to burn fat as easily. Um, so there's a combination of factors. It's not just move more, eat less. That's not the end of the story. There's sleep, there's hormones. There's all these things that we've already talked about. Right. But as far as the fasting, what, why fasting helps in this process? Of course, because you're not eating, you're reducing calories. So if you believe in the calories in calories out, yes, you're going to lose weight for that because you're going to eat less food. Um, but there's also all of these other amazing benefits. And there's, by the way, the whole article on this, on my site with all the citations about the benefits of fasting, because there's so much, I love it. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (18:57): Um, but I really started doing it. So like I said, I've been in yoga and all this craziness. I mean, I've done all kinds of fasts. You guys, you guys are the age group. You might remember the master cleanse. Remember when that was real big, it's just like lemon. Okay. So, I mean, I've done that. I've done these argumentative. Kitchery cleanses, I've done juice staffs. I mean, I've, I've tried it all and I've, I always have done fasting in some shape or form mostly from being around the yoga community. But then in 2016, I think this is why I've been where you got that. One of the dates we were talking about is that I learned about the Nobel prize for autophagy and basically autophagy is your body's cellular cleanup process. And it happens most strongly when you're not eating food. Right. So, because I had had those tumors and because there was a lot of cancer in my family, I was like, Hey, well, I've, I've done bassing before I can do that. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (19:47): And it does all these amazing things in my body. I should probably do that on a more regular basis because of those health benefits. So autophagy is one of them. And that typically kicks in anywhere after 24 hours, it's happening to some degree all the time. So even when you wake up in the morning after an overnight fast, your, and then there's also the fact that it increases your human growth hormone. So as we age human growth, hormone declines, and that is one of the things that really helps you maintain and build muscle. And the more muscle we have as we get older muscle is the most metabolically active things. So I think we just lost Terry, but, um, but the it's most metabolically. So it helps you burn more calories if you have more muscle. So human growth hormone for that reason is a very good thing. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (20:54): Um, that's about 48 hours and longer. And then after 72 hours, we have this immune regulation regeneration thing that happens. Um, again, that's on my site and I've got the study cited. And then anything after that, it's debatable. Whether anything beyond 72 hours is necessary, but again, it depends on your goals. It depends on what you're trying to accomplish. There still benefits there's. Um, and if you're not in ketosis already, just by fasting for 18 to 24 hours, you'll go into a state, usually of a low-level ketosis. So that's just some of the, there's a whole bunch more on the thing, but that's all the benefits. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (21:30): Well, so, um, is this, is this like building up to run a marathon? Is that, I mean, do you want to fast for, you know, 10 or 12 hours a few days or a few times, and then work your way up into the, the 60 hours? Or is it something that you can just say, Hey, I'm doing 24 hours and just jump in and do it? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (21:53): Well, the marathon one is a great analogy because I think if you want to make it the easiest on yourself, it's kind of like using a muscle or working out or flexible, you know, the more you do it easier yet. So some of the initial times you do it, it might be a little bit more challenging, especially if you're not used to doing it. So I would definitely recommend yes, build up to it. Um, I'd like to see everybody do a minimum of 14 hours a day, which is mostly accomplished while you're sleeping. So let's say you cut, you eat dinner by six, you stop eating, you go to bed, you might not eat for an hour or two in the morning. And then you're good. You've already accomplished 14 hours and you're going to get some amazing benefits just from that, because, you know, we've all been around. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (22:35): I mean, I think the bodybuilders kind of brought this into saying, it's not to say it's wrong, but again, depends on your goals. But you know, this eating every two hours and constant snacking and all of this, all it does is raise your insulin every time you consume something. And if you bind it, this hormonal theory, all that's doing is creating those crashes and burns all day. That stimulates hunger that creates all these metabolic effects that are not beneficial basically. So if you can get a solid 14 hours without consuming anything, that's, that's an amazing start. And you can, like I said, do most of that while you're sleeping. So it's really for that, most people is not that challenging except for the not snacking, like for dinner. I know a lot of people like to do that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (23:14): Yeah, yeah. That was my, you know, the evening in, this is a bad habit I developed years ago, but you know, that nine, 10 o'clock at night, if I don't go to bed early, then all of a sudden, you know, I'm wanting to go up to the convenience store and tell Terry, I said, I'll go up there for you. If you want a candy bar, be glad to go up there and get that for you. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (23:40): I'm almost going to talk about the, um, the, the low carb, uh, uh, I guess I'm going to pose this as a question, not a statement. So, uh, you know, there's, there is research around the fact that our brains work off of, um, the carbs, the carbs fuel our brains. And, but listening to some, uh, some other keto podcast and, and these were some medical experts. These weren't just the, you know, kind of the guy off the street telling me what he thought, but they were, um, medical experts saying that really our brains were designed to run off of fat. And so with the KIDO, we're kind of switching that back over from our, from our brain running on carbs, to running on fat myth. Can you, uh, can you, uh, elaborate on that a little bit? Is that the truth Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (24:34): Stand sheet, these places? So your brain does actually need, I think it's 120 grams of glucose every day to survive. Well, here's what nobody ever says. Your body can make all that glucose. You don't have to consume 120 grams of glucose, because think about it. If that would have been the case, we'd all be dead. We never would have evolved if your brain couldn't function without carbs, that makes no logical sense. Right? So that we can just throw that out the door. There's also evidence that, and actually I love this study. This excites me so much, and I need to learn this lady's name, but I can send you the link later. She's a Harvard researcher, super smart smarty pants lady. And one of her research things is about glucose utilization in the brain. So one of the things that they think is happening in people that have Alzheimer's and dementia is that they can't can't process glucose in their brain very well anymore. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (25:27): Or they're starting to call Alzheimer's type three diabetes. Actually, this is how attached to glucose it is. So, um, but what she discovered through her research is even in brains, and this happens by the way, and this is why I'm so interested in this. Um, my psychology degree, I went to grad school. I was in clinical neuropsychology. So I've always been into the brain stuff, but it, um, your brain never loses the ability to use ketones for fuel. So even if you get a brain, that's like a dementia brain that has already had some neuronal die-off. So you're, if you remember back to high school science, like the neurons kind of come together and there's a space in between, but anyway, the neurons are what helps your brain communicate basically, and those die with dementia or get damaged. Um, so, and they can't use glucose anymore because they've been so abused, but they can always still use ketones. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (26:16): So I just think the implications for that are amazing because they, at this point they really don't have any good Alzheimer's drugs. Um, and so if you look at that, that's for an extreme example, but if you look at the rest of us, we just have an aging brain that this happens a little bit naturally over time that your brain is not quite as quick. And we can't remember quite as well. Well, some of that could be because of carb problems over the years. Right. Um, so both my husband and I both found this. He keeps saying that he feels like his brain just keeps getting sharper the longer that he does, uh, low carb. And then we both, um, use a little supplement in the morning and it goes in our coffee that has MCT oil in it. And MCT oil actually helps your body produce more ketones. Um, probably the caffeine is obviously giving you a little jolt too, but the clarity that comes when your brain runs on ketones is just amazing to me. I can't describe the difference. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (27:15): Yeah, no, that's, that's true. And that's kind of about the, you know, what a part of that carb hangover I was talking about earlier is when I watch mine and do very well, I just seem so much clear thinking more creative, not bogged down, not, you know, not that it's hard to remember, uh, you know, Terry's name or not crazy stuff like that, but you know, when you're working through complex problems at work, sometimes you can be a little slower or just not be, feel like you're on your game. And I feel like carbs for me personally. Uh, I think they add to that cloudiness, dull, everything. Yeah. And, and you mentioned something else. We talked a little bit about that. The type three diabetes, uh, you know, is the, um, Alzheimer's, I guess the, and, um, I don't want to put you on the spot, but if you do know this is that. So as if we are diabetic, uncontrolled, th you know, for many years do, is this, does the study say that that's kind of what is leading into the, the, the Alzheimer's Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (28:25): That, that's my understanding of it. And just to reiterate for people here, I'm not a medical professional, I'm a psychologist, but I do read a lot of research. Yeah. It's my passion. And this is write about this stuff all the time. That is my basic understanding of it is that this, you know, uncontrolled blood sugar, even, not even, maybe in a diabetic, I read some, a new study that just came out that said even, uh, pre diabetes, I think this was in relation to heart disease actually. Um, but they found a link even between just pre-diabetes just to pre-diabetes and these problems. So, um, but yes, that is, it is this glucose inability to process glucose because we've kind of damaged ourselves metabolically. And if you, again, just going back to pure logic, if you think about evolution, so we can't keep up, like we're not evolved to eat what we're putting in our bodies. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (29:18): The last 150 years we're evolved eat, you know, meat and whatever we can forage basically is what we're designed to eat. Meanwhile, we've added all this stuff to our diets that just doesn't make any sense. It's highly processed. It's things that your body can't recognize. The two guys I was talking about before that talk about the polyunsaturated fats are like, well, part of the issue is body has made all of saturated that it doesn't recognize this thing that we're putting in there. And that's, what's mucking up the system. That's what I keep that's again, my basic [inaudible] bucket. Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:53): It's a Midwestern term. I used to say that. Yeah, Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (29:56): Totally. Um, or my dad's hog barn when I was a kid probably, but lucky me. Yeah. So I just think if you think of it from a very logical perspective, what we're putting in our bodies were not designed to, it makes sense that it would cause some problems for us down the road, whether that's, I mean, just about anything you can name, as you mentioned before, heart disease, diabetes, obesity, all of these things are just so related to what we're putting in our body. That's not natural. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (30:25): And I guess the point I was hoping to make with that is that if you're not worried about losing a toe or losing your eyes side and all the other complications that go along with diabetes, this new, you know, link between, uh, diabetes and Alzheimer's, you know, that is kind of a life sentence. And hopefully, you know, if you do have to struggle with it, it's, uh, later rather than sooner, but we don't always have, we don't get to make that choice. And so I guess I just, if you can just kind of drive home that, you know, the importance of making sure that if you are diabetic, your sugars under control it's that makes it even more important to me. And that's what, you know, it's been kind of a wake up call, uh, since we talked earlier in the week about, because that's, that's something that I had had known and had lost, didn't think about, but definitely makes me, uh, you know, want to want to do better. Cause that's, Terry - Feeding Fatty (31:20): It's never too late to start. I mean, it at least just start, especially if you are hearing what, what Cheryl's talking about. Um, I mean, the Alzheimer's, part's scary, you know, that's the one thing that everything's scary, but when you age, but losing, uh, the brain function and all of that and forget it, you know, forgetting who your family members are and all of that, that's a really scary thing. And my dad had it for a good 10, 12 years. Um, and he passed away about five years ago, but, uh, it was, uh, it was just a sad thing to watch and hear all of his siblings had, he had four siblings, all of his siblings had, I think one had dementia. The rest of them all had Alzheimer's. So, um, it's, it's, it's a real thing for me, for sure. So Quito sounded really good right now. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (32:16): The other thing, um, you know, I hate to belabor the point, but since we've kind of came here, the other point about this is the, um, uh, well, it just slipped my mind. Oh my gosh. I had something to really go in there, but Terry - Feeding Fatty (32:32): Well, Cheryl was going to say said ahead, maybe Cheryl she's young enough. She can remember, Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (32:39): Well, I don't know where you were going with that. But I guess sometimes when I talk about this stuff, I get really worried that people would just think, well, it's all doom and gloom and what the hell can I eat? I think the, I think the beauty thing in all of this that we're talking about is that the solution, I'm not going to say it's easy, but the solution is simple. The solution is carb restriction and fasting, and most people can do at least part of that to some degree. Um, it's not that difficult. I'm not going to say you have to be perfect all the time, but it's just like moving in that direction and over time, like, I'm sure you've experienced with after learning that you had diabetes, like, Oh, well what do I do now? And then it's starting to make these changes. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (33:23): And it just, you know, it takes time. So give yourself some grace. But I think, I think the exciting thing part of it is that it's, it's changeable. Like they didn't used to think this, they thought diabetes was like, there's nothing they can do is just keep giving you more insulin and insulin until you get an amputation and die. I mean, it was like before that, that was scary to me now to say to somebody, if we can just keep getting the word out there more like it's actually controllable and I'm not, I would say some people don't agree with this in the medical community, but I think it's curable with the, of eating that you reverse for sure. Yes, absolutely. At least reversible. I just think that's so exciting and I think it should be, it should be a real positive thing to know that you can avoid some of these really bad negative effects from having, you know, diabetes or getting brain problems or anything. I mean, Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (34:12): We've interviewed a lot of, I'll say a lot. We've probably had four or five people that have come on the show that, you know, had out of control diabetes and now it's, uh, their glucose was, you know, we had a guy that I think he went into a coma. I think his was over 500 and that's like I said, can you repeat that 500? And he actually passed out at a restaurant and, uh, yeah, it's an awesome episode as soon as he wants to go back and listen to it. You can't, but anyway, never been diagnosed with diabetes before he had that, that pass out. Yeah. But he cleaned him, he cleaned his eating up and he is off all his medication and doesn't take it. So, yeah, I guess as, as you said, we're not medical professionals, but I think there's enough evidence out there that some people can start change. They can change their lifestyle and it can make a huge difference with their glucose. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (35:06): That's right. Absolutely. And it's not just, I mean, there's a ton of anecdotal evidence at this point, but there have been new studies that have come out fairly recently showing how low carb can control and reverse diabetes very quickly. This happens in weeks for people once they really get it down and get with the program and we'd be like, yes, I'm doing this whole low carb thing. I mean, their sugars come down within weeks. It's amazing. Yep. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (35:30): W I, I did write down, I remembered what I was going to say earlier is that, um, when we were talking about Alzheimer's and excuse me, you know, so, um, I, I used to write, um, some original content for an aging website that we have, and I had found a theory that the spike that we see now in Alzheimer's can be traced back to the low fat craze of the, um, seventies coming into the eighties. And so it's interesting because, you know, we worry about, uh, carbs fuel in the brain. But some of the studies that I had said is that, you know, when we cut that fat, that the fat in the brain is what, um, helps keep everything connected. I guess, the, the neurons that you were talking about earlier in their connections, the fat, um, kind of keeps them gel together. Can you elaborate or would you care to elaborate on that? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (36:30): Yeah, I think that idea interesting one and I don't have, so there's this old movie called the Renzo's oil. I don't know if you've ever heard of it, but, um, so the idea is, so that nerves nerves, including the nerves in your brain and stuff, they all this sheath called a myelin sheath over them. And this kid in the movie had a disease where his myelin sheath was degenerate. And basically once the sheath goes, then your nerves can no longer communicate and you're, you're done. Like, that's just, that's the end of the story. Um, so what they were doing was they kept giving him oil and I don't know what kind of oil they used in the movie. I'm going to assume some kind of saturated fat. If what we've been talking about is all related and true. Um, it was able to, they kept giving him, uh, such a quantity of oil to kind of combat this, um, problem with the sheath and so that his nerves could still communicate. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (37:23): So I think that there is definitely something there. I think, you know, a higher fat diet allows your body to naturally produce more ketones, particularly MCT MCT is like really easily transferable from that form of fat into ketones and my own personal experience. I said, you know, growing up when I did the whole low fat thing, I really struggled with depression and anxiety, most of my adult life until I went keto. And you know, now I, um, liberal with the saturated fat, um, and my brain just, I think dual purpose, I think because of the ketones themselves acting in my brain, but then also, um, you know, additional fat in my diet. I just think it's just healthier for you on so many levels, especially for us as women, you know, you really need a proper amount of fat in your diet to produce good hormones. And it wouldn't surprise me if all that, you know, fibroid problems that I had in the past had to do with, you know, my hormones being out of whack because I didn't eat any fat. I just think that's so silly, um, that we still try to teach people that that's, that's, uh, a reasonable thing to do. It's not being low. Fat is difficult and very harmful. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (38:37): And there's a study this well, there's some studies that are going on. Um, it was a very limited the story that sparked the studies, let me put it that way is that, um, a lady, her husband had Alzheimer's and, you know, one of the ALS Hymers test is that you draw the clock face and have the person, you know, try to put the one, two, three, four round and see how it, and so anyway, this guy's initial clock was like, all the numbers were down at five. And, um, I don't know why she started doing this, but she started giving him three tablespoons of coconut oil every day. And, uh, after about six weeks, he was able to pretty much label the clock correctly. And, and, uh, you know, I want to clarify this by saying one person that I know of, but there was a doctor, uh, a research PhD that came out and talked to a group of us. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (39:33): And she said that there was enough evidence that there were three or four longitudinal longitudal studies that were launched because of that, because I guess there's some, there's more evidence that they may help, but, you know, again, we get back to the fat in the fat, in the diet and there's ways to mix it in. You just have to be careful because it's very high calorically. And so it's about 130 calories per tablespoon, but we mix it in our smoothies and try to try to use it in different ways, uh, you know, to hide it in food as we go through our day. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (40:09): Yeah, I think, and I think you make an excellent point there and just for your listeners, if they are more interested, you're talking, I believe you're talking about Dr. Mary Newport, because he is, she has that exact story. It was her husband that had Alzheimer's. She is actually, I believe a pediatrician or some kind of a doctor that had to do a children's. She wasn't originally involved in brain function, but when her husband got it, she started looking into clinical trials and like, how are we going to help him? And what she came across with some trial that was going on that was to work on Alzheimer's with a food supplement. Well, she called them and explained, and she found out that food supplement was indeed MCT oil, coconut oil. And so that's how she started giving it to him. And now she kind of has been all around the research and speaking circuit, uh, kind of sharing her story. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (40:54): She has a couple of books out. Um, but her, yeah, her research is so interesting. And I think the point that you made about MCTV very caloric is a good one because, you know, obviously a lot of people, they come to this, one of their goals is weight loss. Um, but I would say the thing about including more fat in your diet is that it's more satiating. So, and it tends to, again, like even out that there's hunger signals. So even if you have a meal that you add the MCT or a little higher calorie with that fat, I would say you'll probably end up eating less overall, just because you're more satisfied in your feeling, you know, the nice brain effects from that MCT boosting your ketones. Right? Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (41:34): Yeah. And now's a good time to kind of mention, and again, I'm going to pose this as a question to you, but, you know, we still have to watch our protein intake and we still have to watch that fat intake just because of the caloric value, but something I heard interestingly enough, on, um, this was a keto based podcast, is that if we eat enough protein, our, I guess our body is able to translate that into carbs. And so it's, um, I guess because there's at some limit, we can just overdo it. It's like anything at some limit, we can overdo anything, no matter how healthy. So I guess the point is that we, even though we're doing the low carb, we still have to pay attention to our levels of protein and the caloric intake that we have from the fat that we're eating. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (42:28): Yeah. And I think some people would take, some people would argue that with you. And I think, again, it's kind of just learning your personal tolerance, but for the protein. So what you were mentioning, your, your body can make glucose out of protein if it needs through, through this process called gluconeogenesis. And so there has been some talk in the keto space, like if you overeat protein, does it, you know, spike your glucose or kick you out of ketosis or these kinds of things? Well, there's two schools of thought. One says it's demand driven so that your body will only take protein and make it into glucose if it really, really needs it. So are most people, they think that it's probably not that much of a concern. There's, there's also this other concern. That, again, I'm very focused on aging cause I'm towards 50, but there's this other, there's this other idea of, um, you know, there's two ways to build muscle. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (43:23): We all know about weightlifting resistance training, but you can also just by prioritizing protein in your diet can help you maintain and even build muscle mass. Um, there's this one keto podcast that I listened to and she kind of did an experiment on herself with carnivore and without really working out over a couple of years of just prioritizing protein, she put on something like eight pounds of lean mass just through prioritizing protein. So I think for a lot of people, it's kind of a non concern. It's very difficult to overeat protein. I'm really focused on eating more for those reasons I just described. And I find it challenging to get a hundred grams of protein a day. I mean, I just did, and I'm not eating much else protein to start with. So, um, I think for most people it's probably not a super big concern. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (44:12): I think again, if you are diabetic and you're checking your sugars and you notice, Hey, if I eat a big steak and my glucose does do something a little funky, I think for most people that that might just be the quantity of food sometimes too, causing that larger spike, not just that it was protein. So I don't know. I think there's a lot of different schools of thought on right now. There's a sky and it's, I can't remember 10 name and it's the one that do this. It's it's called the PE diet. So his is promoting a much higher protein, uh, paradigm. And then, you know, there's people that'll say, well, ketos, just a moderate protein. You don't need as much protein because Quito in and of itself is very protein sparing. So again, I think it comes back to your goals like me, I'm focused on keeping the muscle I've got and trying to build more as I get older. So I'm tend to be a little more on the protein heavier side, but if it negatively affects your blood sugar and you're diabetic, maybe you want to moderate again. I think it's go back to what are your goals is what I always have to ask. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (45:09): Yeah. And I think you bring up a good point about what we eat at a setting because you know, one thing about myself I notice is, you know, I, I try to be around 40 to 60 carbs a day generally. And um, if I eat all 40 at one meal with the big old baked potato and some bread, of course, you know, I see that the big spike, whereas if I would just spread those 40 out over, uh, you know, a days period doesn't have near as much effect. So I think that, I think that's a good point to bring up is while we can have a lot of things, sometimes it may be the quantity in which we eat them. Or the other part of that is eating a big carb heavy meal right before bed, you know, eating and then going to bed and a couple hours. So at least, you know, for me, if I eat those carbs earlier in the day, it gives me a chance to burn them off. And so what I try to do is eat, you know, heavier carbs in the morning and just try to taper those off as I come through the day. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (46:08): Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (46:10): Yeah. All right. Well, uh, Terry, do you have anything else? Terry - Feeding Fatty (46:14): I just wanted to make sure to mention that you have some, um, delicious looking recipes on your website also there's is a pistachio Crested. Um, is it Cod? Yeah, that's a good one. Oh my gosh. I have, I have, uh, some mahi mahi. I wonder if, could I do the same thing, maybe I'll do that. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (46:34): I would totally do it with the Mahima it's and it's, um, it's really quick and easy too, because, you know, especially when you get a coddler and they tend to be pretty thin, so they can be cooked really quickly. Um, but when I, you know, I make recipes for the website because that is part of what I do, but on a day-to-day basis, I'm super boring. And I actually think that, you know, a lot of people want to overcomplicate low carb. It's just like pick a protein, pick a low carb, veggie, put some butter on it. So a little salt you're done basically. I mean, all the recipes are great and nice. And I have a lot of fun doing that, but, um, I think, you know, for the day to day basis is like, just don't, don't make it too hard for yourself. Just, you know, go for the easy things, like a chicken breast and some whatever, or a steak and some Brussels sprouts or whatever it is, you know? Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (47:23): Yeah. And even when you go out to eat one thing that, you know, I found over time is that if, even if you don't see the straight chicken breast, grilled chicken breast on the menu, typically one of their meals has something that includes a grilled chicken breast that they do something else with. If you just ask for it, they are more than happy to just bring you some, uh, you know, the grilled chicken breasts and some cauliflower or some, you know, broccoli or something like that. So always ask don't, don't not go out and have fun just because you think that you can't eat at the restaurant you're going to right. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (47:58): Yeah. Actually, I mean, this is the easiest way of eating I've ever done. And I can, I mean, I eat out a fair amount with, we try not to do it too much, especially with this whole polyunsaturated fat thing. Cause that's, that is the one challenge in a restaurant is they're always going to have soil and Cornwell and all this crappy oil and what I will say, like it was, you know, it's about 10,000 times easier than being a vegetarian, right. Go out to eat. Gosh. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (48:23): Right. Well, we have taken a lot of your time and it was such a good conversation. I apologize. We've gone so far over, but a lot of great information. So if you don't mind, uh, well, first off, before we go too far is what is a tool or a habit, uh, something that you do every day, personal professional that adds a lot of value to your life that you couldn't do without Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (48:47): Well, um, I would have to say, well, I have a lot to say about this because I actually have this whole, um, article about five things you need to create better habits. Nobody wants more, I'll keep it to one but more information on that. Um, but I would say the thing that I personally feel like is good for me every day is the intermittent fasting. I, so I, I generally try to keep my eating window to six to eight hours a day, which means I have a 16 to 18 hour fast every day. Uh, so I'll typically try to be finished eating by 6:00 PM as often as possible. Sometimes it goes a little later, but, um, and then I'll just, you know, do my routine in the morning, um, have a little fat in my coffee, the idea of, so a fast for a tough a, you really don't want to consume anything a fast, that's more just for keeping your insulin balanced. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (49:39): If you want to have a little fat in your coffee in the morning, that's fine. It's not going to, um, you know, you know, the whole, the whole conversation about breaking your fast is another whole long conversation. So I like to have little, you know, little fat in my coffee. And then that helps me extend my time to my first meal. So then I'll eat around noon or whenever I start to get hungry. Um, but I just think that particularly in that morning hours, so you've had your overnight fast, uh, your brain is like you said, you've experienced, it's like the opposite of when you have that carby meal the night before you stop eating at six, you don't snack before bed. You go to get as good sleep. You wake up in the morning and you're like, your brain is like, I'm ready to rock this. You know? And I have that little coffee with my fatty thing in, and I'll like, get so much production and work done in the morning. Um, so I think for me that intermittent fasting, it's just, I know it's good for my health, but it also makes me more productive. So that would be my hope. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (50:30): Okay. Yeah. And the coffee, what do you have in your, I used to drink, um, something in my coffee. It's kind of like butter, but it's, uh, it's really solid. Oh, Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (50:43): [inaudible] the product I use is called Quito cream and it's got collagen and MCT. Um, but there's, there's a bunch of different ones out there. And certainly the one thing I would say to your point earlier about if, you know, if your goal is weight loss, I wouldn't go putting Eli like two sticks, but I mean, some of these fatty coffee things, I've seen assembly 400 calories. I, what I do, I'm talking about, it's like a hundred calories, but I would be careful with that, uh, as, as like just chloric dense, but then there are delicious these fatty coffees. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (51:19): Yeah. This is like a butter, a butter SA G yeah. G that's what they used. What, uh, somebody, one of the keto podcasts that suggested is have a little bit again in your butter. I mean a little getting coffee [inaudible] all right, Cheryl. Well, uh, tell everybody, uh, who is your client? What can you do for them? And of course, how can they reach out and get ahold of you? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (51:43): So I do health and wellness coaching. Of course, all of the content that I create is available. Well, most of it is available for free on my website, Heald nourish, grow.com. Um, I'm heal, nourish, grow all over social media. So if you just look for me on any of those things, there's, I mean, there's so many ways to get in touch with people now, direct messages or email or whatever. Um, but I just, I look for people. I mean, a lot of people come to me for Quito related, obviously, but I have this whole other, um, side of the health and wellness. Like I like to approach it in a very holistic way. Um, like for example, I mentioned the sleep and the stress, like if somebody is going to come to work with me on weight loss, I'm going to be asking a lot more questions, not just it's about what you ate and not asking about the top going, how's your relationship? Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (52:34): How's your, are you sleeping? You know, there's, there's just so many things that can create a picture of health and it's different for everybody. So if you go to my site, I have this, this page is called what is ultimate wellness. Okay. And that's part of my, you know, hashtag that you are my tagline that you said on my website. And that is to say that it's different for everybody. Like my version, my personal version of ultimate wellness is going to be very different from yours. Very different from Terry is very different brevity. So first part of the thing I like to have people do is, you know, identify some of their core values and goals and things like that. And so, um, so the people that I'm working with generally there, I try to tell them this before, because some people are like, just tell me what to eat. Cheryl - Heal Nourish Grow (53:17): And that's probably not my perfect client, because I just don't think that that's going to generate the most amount of success or happiness for a person. If that, if they're not ready to delve into some of this other stuff, which I get it, everybody's in a different place. Um, but for me, that's the people I get most excited about working about is like, they're like, yeah, I'm ready to tackle this whole thing. And I realize it's not just what I eat. Like I've got to look at some of this other stuff too. So I think that was, Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (53:44): Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a, you know, for us, we look at it, well-rounded like, it's not only what we eat, but it's that sleep component. It's the water intake. It's reducing the stress. It's, you know, just putting yourself in a better position on that Terry - Feeding Fatty (53:57): Mentally mindset, all of that. Yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (54:02): Well, thank you so much. Uh, that's going to do it, I guess, for another episode of feeding fatty, uh, we, you can find us of course, at www.beatingfatty.com and we're on the social media as well. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and then also this interview will go, the video portion will go up on YouTube when the episode is released. So we also are on iTunes, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. We're not on your favorite podcast platform. Let me know. And we'll be sure and add you. So Cheryl, thank you so much for giving us all this extra time. We certainly do appreciate it. Terry - Feeding Fatty (54:37): Thank you, Cheryl. You've been very helpful. Oh my gosh. So many things that we haven't talked about yet. Roy - Feeding Fatty - The Benefits of Eating Low Carb and Keto with Intermittent Fasting (54:44): Yup. Y'all reach out and see how Cheryl can help. Y'all all right. Until next time, take care of yourself and take care of your health. Bye. HealNourishGrow.com. www.feedingfatty.com
Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days - Why Wait Any Longer? with David Medansky “Diets tend to be trendy & don't work. I'll teach your audience how to lose weight by making small adjustments to their daily eating habits.” David Medansky, a retired divorce attorney, is an international best-selling author, and America’s newest authority for successful weight loss. In July of 2016, his doctor told him to lose weight or find another physician, because he didn't want David dying of a heart attack on his watch. Within four months, Medansky dropped 50 pounds. He wrote about his inspirational weight-reduction journey and lifestyle transformation and how you can do the same in his book, If Not Now, When? Reduce Weight – Create a Healthy Lifestyle. Medansky teaches them to feel better by eating healthier and stop losing the same 10 pounds over and over. Bottom line, Medansky’s clients improve their health, have more energy, and LOVE what they see in the mirror. www.createyourthinnerself.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy I'm Terry. So we are the podcasts that, you know, we're chronicling my journey through this weight loss, getting healthy wellness journey that we're on. And then, uh, also, you know, Terry is my support mechanism helping me through this. So, uh, she has, she's got her story to tell too. But the other thing that we do is we have, um, uh, other guests on that are, uh, experts in different areas that can help us out. And today is no different. Uh, David [inaudible] the, uh, the health Maestro actually, uh, he's a retired attorney and an internationally best-selling author and America's newest authority on successful weight loss. In July of 2016, his doctor told him to lose weight or find another physician. He didn't want David dying of a heart attack on his watch within months. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (01:01): Uh, David dropped 50 pounds. He wrote about his inspirational weight reduction journey and lifestyle transformation and how you can do the same in his book, if not now, when reduce weight, create a healthy lifestyle. David, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to join us and we're looking forward to it. And just, uh, you know, we appreciate you sending the book ahead of time and Terry's had a chance to look at it. And I think she has generated a lot of questions and a lot of stuff. But before we get into all of that, just kinda, uh, you know, tell us a little bit more about your journey, you know, how you find yourself and, uh, you know, in the midst of your doctor, trying to fire you, if you didn't get yourself, get yourself under control and, uh, uh, no, that's, uh, you know, that's, yeah, I'm not quite that I'm not quite there yet, but you know, I do understand that that can be a hard place to be in. David (01:59): Well, thanks for having me, Roy, as a guest and Terry appreciate it very much with most people. When I was younger, I was fit and trim. However, life gets in the way. And before I realized that the way to crept up and I was over 225 pounds on five eight, and my doctor told me based on my lab results and being significantly overweight that I needed to either find a new doctor, as you said, or lose the weight because he didn't want me dying on his watch. Now, normally being in the 95 percentile is a good thing, except when it's a death sentence. So if that sort hanging over my head during the next four months, I shed 50 pounds. As you mentioned, ad, the most important thing is I've kept it off. David (02:46): What I did was I started rereading the books I had from the 1970s, you know, books like Richard Simmons, Jack, Elaine, Paul and Patricia brag and, and other authors. And then I started reading the current books that are out there today. And what I learned was there's a lot of misinformation and misconceptions being in the newer books, the older books actually had better information. The problem today is people go on diets to lose weight and the diet tends to be temporary, extreme, hard to stick with and potentially dangerous. What you need to do is actually change your lifestyle. And the way I look at it as a diet is similar to a sprint. It has the finished line. And once you reach that finish line, most people revert back to their old eating habits. Exactly. If you lose weight by changing and improving your lifestyle, it's similar to running a marathon except there's no finish line. You just keep going and going and going. So that's part of my, my journey. I wanted to help others. So they don't experience the same OE risks that I was at for an early death, also for people to improve how they feel in priests, their vitality have more energy, feel better and look better and have more self-confidence in themselves. So that's my mission right now is to help other people. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (04:14): Right. And you know, it's so important that you mentioned, cause that's kinda where we're at or where I'm at is that, um, you know, I don't want to do a fad or do something that is a short term, because like you said, it has a finish line. And then what happens after that? And if we don't, you know, my opinion is only if we don't change our behaviors, if we can't get our minds, right, we can lose all the weight doing whatever the short-term fix is. And then as soon as we get through and try to integrate back into normal life, we put it back on. And I mean, I throw myself under the bus and say, you know, I've been there before. And, uh, so that's why this time, I'm trying to find that, uh, you know, a healthy balance of things that we can do because, um, sometimes we don't know to these diets short, the fad diets and things like that. They can not have other health and we may lose weight, but they have other health implications on us as well. David (05:11): Exactly. And they're finding people who are on the keto diet most in are doing in properly. And after a year or two, they're starting to develop, um, what I call Leighton or, you know, delayed negative side effects because you're denying your body, the proper nutrition, right? You have to look at food as fuel for your body. And there's a quote by Heather Morgan. I love where she says, every time you eat or drink something, you're either fighting disease or feeding disease. Interesting. I'm paraphrasing. However, that's the gist of it. And that, that's how I look at it. Is am I putting something into my body? That's going to give it the right nourishment and fuel and treat it like a high performance car or even, you know, most people treat their pets better than they do themselves. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (06:03): Well, you know, it's the interesting thing is that when we started this, we signed up for, uh, you know, an app that was really good because it not only it had the, the micronutrients as well. And I think people would be surprised even trying to eat good. And what we thought was good with our vegetables and meat and not doing anything extreme, just saying we're eating a well-balanced meal, how, um, how deficient we were in a lot of micronutrients that are very important, you know, so the nice thing is the app has, um, it kind of will prod you to say, if you're short on this, these are foods and where you can recapture that. And so, you know, I know it's not the end all be all, but, uh, especially as we age, you know, there's certain things that we need to, to help us age healthy. And so, uh, but anyway, I think it's just important that, you know, when we do these fads or we go to the extremes, I can only imagine how much these micronutrients that we need that we're losing out on. David (07:07): Exactly. And most of us know what to do to reduce weight in a healthy manner. We just choose not to do it, or we forget, or maybe we're not aware of some of the things that we should be doing, right. Or we have bad habits. And how I look at it as bad habits are hard to break and new habits are difficult to create. And the way I explain it is if you just look at your daily routines, those become your behaviors and then your behaviors then consistently become new habits. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (07:42): Yeah. Before I let Terry jump in here with some questions that are books specific, you know, that's the biggest hurdle for me that I don't know if, if you can give advice or speak to how you overcame the, those habits, because it's not that, like you said, we know what to do, but unfortunately whether it's laziness or life or other things, we all, you know, I tend to revert back to these bad habits and it's just, you know, I can do, I can do the right thing for a few weeks or a month. And then, you know, I I'll give an example here of late. You know, I got back into the gym a couple of weeks ago and was doing awesome. And then, you know, things have gotten so busy that, you know, I haven't been able to make it over there. We've tried to take some short walks, but, uh, you know, it's just once I kind of, uh, once I get that day off or once I don't, can't do something because of life, it's really hard to pick it back up and just keep moving. David (08:47): Well, here's the interesting thing. People think exercising is correlated with weight loss or mistaken. It's a myth, right? A hundred percent of what you put into your mouth has to do with your weight. You can lose weight without exercising. However, poor eating habits will never overcome, you know, your exercise habits. Right. And what happens is people will get frustrated. You don't tell those story if that's okay. Uh, one of my clients was doing everything he was supposed to as far as modifying and improving his eating habits. However, he was frustrated after a couple of weeks, the scale was not showing any difference for his weight. I asked him, I said, well, are you exercising? He says, yes, I'm going for walks. He's walking about five miles a day total. And he's riding his bicycle and doing other things. And I said, well, how are your clothes fitting? David (09:44): He said, well, they're looser. And he says, people are noticing that I'm slimming down and make comments. And I said, don't go by the scale, right? Because you're replacing your fat with muscle and muscle and fat weigh the same, however, muscle takes up less room. So give a time. And that's where people get frustrated is they'll go to the gym, there'll be exercising for a week or two. However, the scale won't show any change. Right? So it's like, well, why bother? I'll give up. If they keep going. Like my client did, then all of a sudden the number on the scale went down and that's the difference. So the important thing is your clothes will tell you how you're doing. Right? Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (10:29): Yeah. And I've always heard a trick on that is, uh, if you take your measurements, when you start on those weeks, when you're not losing weight and you're feeling down like that, if you'll get the tape out and measure, usually you'll find some inspiration in the, uh, the inch loss or, you know, the, I guess the movement of our measurements, however, that works. David (10:50): But the other thing is they did research in England. And what they've found is it takes an average of 66 days to create a new habit. Wow. Not 30 days, not 21 days. So you need to give a time. And Darren Hardy has a, he wrote the compound effect. And what he talks about is there, it's the little seemingly inconsequential improvements that you do consistently for a long period of time that will give you noticeable results. And the two operative words are consistently and long period of time. And that's the difference where people want instantaneous results. They listened to the commercials on TV from the national brands and think, Oh, I'll drop 20 pounds the first month. It's unrealistic, nor is it healthy for you to do it that fast? Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (11:43): Yeah. Uh, in that, um, uh, I've read a similar book it's called the slight edge. And basically, you know, he makes the same point as in he used, he likes to the baseball player. The, you know, if you were to go out today and hit, uh, you know, 500 balls at the batting cage and you never went back out there, you're not gonna see much improvement, but if you go out and hit 500 balls every day for the next six months, you'll definitely see those improvements and, and vice versa. You know, you, uh, if you have a bad habit, say smoking, if you quit smoking for a day, but pick it back up, you're not going to see much. So I think that's an important, uh, and that probably gets back to, you know, making the smaller, incremental changes that we can be consistent over time versus too many making huge changes or too many changes at one time. And I, I know I've read that as well, but, and I'm, I'm guilty of that. You know, you wake up today and gun change everything, and it just makes it so much harder. And then at two o'clock exactly. David (12:46): Yeah. What I, what I tell people is I ask them, would you like to wait, you know, 20, 30, 40 pounds lighter by this time next year, most people say, well, of course, and I asked, can you lose two, three or four pounds a month? Not a week in a month. And most people are that's doable. What if you lose two, three or four pounds a month on average for 12 consecutive months, that's anywhere from 24 to 48 pounds. Right? However it's being patient and giving it time also, no one is perfect. And if you get off track, you just need to not beat yourself up, be positive and start over again. The only caveat I would say with that is be careful of making exceptions because they tend to become the rule. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (13:37): Exactly. Yeah. And that's celebrating. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that's kind of the same, you know, that's the habit I fall in and, uh, you know, do really good fall off and then it's like, yeah, I'm off. So I might as well just continue, continue these bad habits. But anyway, I'll let, I'm gonna let Terry ask a couple questions that she's pulled out of the book that she'd like to talk about. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:02): Well, I really enjoyed this book and it was, it was an easy read, you know, I, it was, uh, I just, I really, I enjoyed it a lot. And you covered a lot of issues. Um, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (14:15): Well, well, I'll, I'll testify to that. It'd be, as I'm trying to go to sleep at night, I get the elbow like, Oh my God, we need to drink more water. And they see, like, she'd be telling me all the points that she is reading every night. Terry - Feeding Fatty (14:26): He couldn't, he couldn't read anything. So really he was reading it as well. But, um, so your jumping off point was, go into the doctor and then him telling you, if you don't lose that weight, then you know, death is eminent, basically. Yes. So, uh, I, and that's all it took for you David (14:50): For me, that's it took, um, for other people, it's other things. I, I have a couple, uh, clients, uh, one was borderline type two diabetic, and then he called me and said, can we work together? I said, sure. I started helping him. He kind of drifted away. And then he called me and says, uh, now I'm a full type two diabetic, what can we do? So he's more enthusiastic. What they say is, what's your why, if you don't have a big enough why you're not going to do it, you need to make a commitment. Everybody wants to lose weight, right? Everybody has a desire to do it. The difference is those people who make a commitment to do it. And that's the difference. Uh, other people I talked to their biggest fear is becoming a type two diabetic, or they're already a type two and want to get off the medication in type two diabetes. For the most part is reversible. The sad statistic is 80% of people who are age 50 or older are either a type two diabetic or pre-diabetic 80% when people were 50. It just blows my mind. When I think of that, Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (16:00): You know, we talked to a guest, um, last week that she reminded me of a good point. Is that in again, I don't have all the research to back this up, but I've heard this multiple times that, um, you know, dementia and Alzheimer's is, uh, what they have termed type three diabetes, basically that if we let this type to run long enough, bad enough, then it, I guess it can be a precursor to, you know, having Alzheimer's. So if, if the, if the medication and the, all the other side effects of, you know, losing toes, limb circulation of, you know, messing up your eyes side, if that's not enough to make you want to change, then that whole threat of being more susceptible to Alzheimer's should definitely wake you up. David (16:50): Well, actually, I had a friend asked me, uh, when I wrote the first book, the discover your thinner self, how many people would rather keep their poor eating habits and, um, risk having a disease or illness that's debilitating or even death. And I said, I don't know. He says research and see, and I was amazed how many people would rather keep their poor eating habits and risk those ailments, even, you know, certain types of cancer and early death, um, struggling just to survive each day and give up their junk food and their fast foods and convenient foods. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (17:32): Yep. Why is it that people feel like they're Bulletproof? I mean, it's like you, you have that teenager mentality and then you just kind of carry it on. It seems like, you know, I think it's denial because, you know, I can only speak for me that it's like, well, that's not really on your mind at the, at the time you're doing something that, you know, you shouldn't be doing. It's more in the moment. And that short, uh, you know, I guess the sugar and the carbs release, some endorphins that give you that higher, the energy or whatever you're looking for. But then, you know, in clear moments like, you know, when you wake up the next day and think, Oh, what did, what did we eat last night? Then it's then it's like, Oh, I need to clean up, clean myself up because of all these things, right? David (18:17): Well, we all understand it's difficult to give up cigarette smoking. People understand there's a danger with, you know, lung cancer and throat cancer and other things. However, cigarettes are addicting. Same thing with an alcoholic. They know that alcohol is bad for their liver. It's an addiction. And that's why it's difficult to give it up without a support group. Food is addicting and people may not realize, but they've engineered scientifically engineered the food today to be addictive. They've optimized it to increase your cravings for fat, salt, sugar, and texture. So when they say, bet, you can't eat just one potato chip. It's not a Derrick. It's a fact, in fact, they've done research Oreo cookies, and I guess there's like 66 different types of real cookies now, or something like that. They're more addictive than cocaine. So imagine that a cookie is more addicting than in an illegal substance. Wow. So you can't really blame people sometimes because food, isn't it diction. What I used to tell people is the number one reason people rate was because of stress and what we were boredom. And what do people do to get away from stress. They go on vacation and what are you doing? Vacation? You mean drink? David (19:42): However, I was listening to another doctor and what he was saying, it's no longer stress. It's convenience. It's just easier to go through a drive-through at a fast food place. It's easier to order a pizza. It's easier to get a frozen meal and pop in the microwave or open a package, right? People are not eating real food anymore. There are any what I call it, edible products because they're manufactured and processed foods. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (20:13): Well, and kind of that point on the, uh, the addiction in that, um, you know, we're all addicted to some way to McDonald's French fries. And I I'd read an article a long time ago about them. That what their trick is is that they used to soak them in sugar water before that they fried them up so that they have, you know, a lot, you get the sugar and you get the salt too. So that's one reason that makes him well, David (20:39): Actually, yeah, I can dispel that myth because way back in the day, when they had the fresh and we had appeal to them, and then what would they would do is they would blanch them and then they would fry them later. However, it was the oil they used, they used lard. And so it was the oil that gave it the extra crispness and flavor and the way they process it, there was no sugar water used there. Terry - Feeding Fatty (21:08): I see grapevines starts those French fries back then were, um, yeah. David (21:15): Yeah. Now they're just filled with preservatives and chemicals. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (21:21): Trying to keep, they didn't. Nobody wanted the Lord. The Lord was a big thing. Okay. Well then they just added more stuff or get it. David (21:28): Well, no, it was easier to make frozen fries than freshmen. Right, Terry - Feeding Fatty (21:31): Right. Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's crazy. Well, um, so 10 behaviors to improve and change to achieve and maintain a healthy weight. Let's talk about that chapter. David (21:46): Sure. What would you like to know about that chapter? The first behaviors, the first behaviors to drink more water. And the reason being is 75% of the us population is chronically dehydrated. And there's a correlation to people being overweight. 71% of the us adult population is overweight, which 42% are clinically obese. The reason being more people are drinking, soda, diet, soda, orange juice, or fruit juices, and fruit flavor beverages than they do water. Yet our bodies are composed of 60 to 70% water. Well, it's not native diet, soda, or soda or fruit juices. So you need to drink more water. Terry - Feeding Fatty (22:30): Yeah. And I liked the, uh, the hint that you gave to about, uh, drinking two cups, I think, or drinking two glasses of water prior 10 minutes prior to [inaudible] or crying. David (22:44): The first thing I do in the mornings, I have a 16 ounce glass of water sometimes too. And you rehydrate from sleeping overnight, right? So that's one, you know, at 16 ounces or one eight ounce glass is fine for most people. Uh, and then again, if you just drink two glasses of water before each meal one mid-morning one mid-afternoon, you've got your minimum of 64 ounces. The rule of thumb is drink one half of your body weight in ounces of water. So if you're 220 pounds drinking 110 ounces of water, if you're unable to drink that much water, build up to it, start out with a minimum of 64 ounces. Okay. Terry - Feeding Fatty (23:24): Okay. All right. So, um, and then, so there was another one that I was going to ask you about, and I just lost David (23:33): About sleeping. Uh, sleep is an important factor. Terry - Feeding Fatty (23:36): Sweet. Oh my gosh. We really have a problem with that, but I'm sure many people do just trying to David (23:43): Do everything researchers have found is to lose a pound. You need to reduce your caloric intake 500 calories per day for a full week to lose one pound. So the average consumer in just 3,600 calories per day, wow, it's the daily requirements are based on 2000 calories per day, right? If you want to maintain a healthy weight, if you're a guy who was not doing much physical activity, you only need about 1,750 calories. Women only need about 1,250. Wow. So people are consuming two or three times more calories than they need to have most of our empty calories, because there's a difference with net calories. For example, if you eat an Apple and Apple has about a hundred calories, it takes your body 25 calories to digest it. So your dad has 75 calories. If you had a Hershey bar, it's about 125 calories for regular size Hershey bar, it takes your body's zero calories to digest and process it. So your net is 125 calories. Plus the Hershey bar has no nutritional benefit whatsoever other than maybe comfort where the Apple has a lot of phytonutrients and a lot of nutrients for your body. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (24:59): Yeah, no, that's a good, that goes back to the, um, you know, the exercise and I don't want to, the exercise for the losing weight is not that important, but you know, for just general health, it is important, but we can do the math on this and this what people, I always challenge everybody, get a, get a pencil paper and a calculator and sat down and think about that one Hershey bar, except I eat the big ones. So it's probably about 250 terrible idea. So David (25:28): That's what actually is about 450. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (25:32): So we got 450 calories that we just, and that's, that's not eating the chips and everything else that, you know, that goes with that, we'll take one item 450 for that, that, uh, candy bar. And then you go to the gym and you try to walk for, I don't know, an hour. And you know, like for me, I'd be lucky if I burned 140 calories, you know, during that walk. So anyway, I just always challenge people, do the math. If you, if you need to understand how important the eating factor is in losing weight, because you know, you'd have to go walk, you know, if you want to eat a candy bar, that's fine. But if you're think you can walk it off, you'll have to walk about four hours a day, you know, just to burn that off. David (26:16): Well, that's the fallacies people always overestimated how many calories they burn while exercising. Yeah. And underestimate how many calories they're actually consuming. Yeah. The other thing is, uh, with the exercise, I forgot what I was going to say about the extras, but I went back to the sleep issue. What the research has found is people who are sleep deprived tend consume an extra 500 calories per day without adequate sleep. So just getting adequate sleep can help you reduce your cravings. Yeah. I remember we did with the exercise. Exercise is important for overall health and fitness. And that's the difference what most of my clients find is when they reduce the weight and start shedding, some of it, they have more energy, then they want it to become more physically active and you don't have to go to the gym to be more physically active. Like you said, you can go for a walk outside, you can do pushups, you can do leg lifts. There's this little things you can do, um, to get more physically active. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (27:26): Yeah. And I just bought a, um, one of these TRX bands that I put in, you know, behind me, because during the day it, it makes me get up out of my chair, which that's the thing that, you know, I can get involved in set here all day long and never get up. So I just look for those little things that make me get up, make me do something positive. But anyway, w kind of getting back to the sleep is that, you know, as I've paid more attention to myself, that is so true that, you know, when I'm tired, I'm always looking for something to eat, to, you know, try to give me that little burst of energy to pick me up with con conversely, when I get a good night's sleep for a few nights in a row, and I feel very energized, man. That's when you want to go out and conquer the world and, you know, be very, very active. So it, to me, that is probably one of my bigger triggers is the sleep factor. David (28:22): The, the other, uh, that we can talk about is our food portions have been supersized without us realizing it in the 1900 staff average sized dinner plate was nine inches in diameter over the years it's grown. So that today it's now 12 inches in diameter. Wow. Uh, yet in Europe, it's still nine inches in diameter for a dinner size plate in restaurants. The average serving bladder is 12, 13, 15 inches. So what I tell people is if you're at a restaurant, order your food, get a, to go box right away, take care of it, put it in your to-go box, just eat the half there. And that way you get two meals for the price of one. So you're saving money and not over. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (29:10): Exactly. No, that's a good habit. Good habit to get into. Okay. Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:15): You know, uh, another thing I wanted to talk about is the, um, cost of nutritious food versus, um, the non-nutritious food. And, uh, you explained it really well about, um, how well you explain it, because it will come much better out of your mouth. Just the let's talk about. Sure. David (29:42): Let's start with eggs. Most people don't realize there's a difference between regular eggs, where the hens are kept in a cage where they call cage-free, which really aren't cage-free hens. If you actually see how they raise them, and then there's, um, pastor eggs now pasture eggs are where the hands actually forge outside for their own food. The bugs worms grass, like they're supposed to cage-free. If it says that they have special feed or grain fed that's corn and soy that's unhealthy because it's in the egg. So the price of eggs can be anywhere from a dollar 99 for regular eggs and pasture eggs can cost anywhere from four 50 to $9, depending where you get them. People are like, I don't want to spend six or $7 on a dozen eggs. Well, if you think about it, it's only 50 cents an egg. If you spend $6 for a carton and there's a dozen in them, however, they have no qualms going to McDonald's and getting a breakfast sandwich or combo meal that they're spending four 50 to $6 for, for one meal. David (30:47): So there's a difference there. The other thing is most of the drive-through is an average meals, anywhere from six to $8, it doesn't cost that much to get a can of tuna. As long as it's packed in water, um, eat maybe a half an avocado or an avocado or an Apple in a slice of Zeke, your bread, as opposed to the process breads that are on the shelf, Zeke, your breads found in the frozen food section. If you don't refrigerate it after two weeks, it goes bad. Where if you get the regular chef bought breads, um, they can last for six, seven months and still fresh because of all the chemicals in there. So that's it. It's just little things like that. If you think about it, the other thing with tuna, if you look at the front of most cans, it'll say packed in water. David (31:35): However, if you turn it over and look at the nutritional fact label, it'll say packed in, it'll say tuna water, vegetable broth, and sometimes Seesaw. Well, my question is what's in the vegetable broth and it can be up to 168 different compounds in there. So you don't know what's actually in the water. Wow. That's, you're brought that's in the tuna. The only places I found actual tuna, um, is wild planet. I have Costco and also the, uh, Carolyn brand and also chicken of the sea that I get at Costco, which is interesting because the chicken to see at the grocery store, it says it's packed in, um, vegetable Bri. So we need to start reading the nutritional fact labels to see what's in there. If you eat an organic Apple, it's a little bit more expensive than regular apples. However, what they're finding is regular apples, you know, have the chemicals in there from the pesticides and the fertilizers that they're using. David (32:38): So I look at it as like the Fram oil commercial from way back in the seventies. You can pay me a little now to do it right. Or you can pay me a lot later to fix it when it's messed up. It's like your body, you can pay a little bit extra for the healthy nutritional food, or you can wait and you get sick. And then you're starting to pay the doctor, your extra money that you say for medical advice. Now you're on prescription medicine. You have less energy. You're not as vital. And so you have a lower quality of lifestyle, as opposed to just eating a little healthier pain, you know, the extra money for it Terry - Feeding Fatty (33:16): And bear, bear. Yeah. That's, that's what I was trying to get at was the, you know, pay, pay now or pay later and you have to pay. And, but I mean, just steadily pay or pay in bulk after something happens to you from eating all of this stuff. David (33:33): Exactly. And the way I look at it as being healthy and eating healthy, it's like paying rent and the rent is due every day, right? Terry - Feeding Fatty (33:45): Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (33:45): Well, and the, you know, you, I think you made a good point that w we don't, nobody ever thinks twice about zipping through McDonald's and throwing out, you know, 10 bucks for a supersized quarter pound meal and, uh, everything that goes along with that. So we could take that money and spend it a little bit, uh, better to eat more healthier, you know, from the grocery store. David (34:06): Well, now they're do gimmick is buy one, get one free. So you can buy one sandwich and get two sandwiches free, which is great. If you're going to share the other sandwich with another person or whatever, a lot of people just eat, both sandwiches themselves. So now you're over consuming and you're thinking I got a great value. Well, what kind of value did you get? Did you get great value for your body, or did you get great value for your wallet? Yeah, you have to look at that. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (34:36): That's something that's come to light too. I kind of, it's a new catchphrase that I'm trying to try to use more often is, you know, we don't want to outlive our wellness. And I think that's something that, um, you know, we have to consider with everything we put in our mouth and, you know, a lot of other decisions about things that we do is to me, the very worst thing that could happen is to, you know, have to live in a shell of a body that doesn't work right. Or, uh, just not being able to get out of bed or go find, you know, there's so many things that can go wrong, but anyway, you know, we want to try to match our wellness to our lifespan, for sure. David (35:15): Well, Dr. Bob Martin has a great quote. He says, if you wear out your body, where else are you going to live? Right, exactly. Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:23): Right. Um, okay. Biggest challenges, biggest challenge and obstacle for you is that you're just not motivated. And there's a reason why can you explain a little bit about that? David (35:40): Most people don't want to give up their convenience. They don't want to, you know, put the time and effort. They don't want to spend the extra money. They don't want to go to the grocery store, you know, and get the fresh fruits and vegetables and then go home and prepare it. Right? Speaker 4 (35:53): Well, so David (35:56): We all procrastinate and there's reasons, you know, I'll start losing weight or go on my diet Monday, or I'll start tomorrow or after Christmas or the holidays or after the company picnic, or after we go to dinner with friends at our favorite restaurant tomorrow never comes right. We all know that. And if we put off until tomorrow, what we can do today and tomorrow never comes. What that means is we're never going to do what we need to get done. Right? And that's the issue is people procrastinate. They think I'll delay, delay delay until you wake up one morning and you're in a situation like I am word you're told you have a 95% chance for a heart attack and an early death. I was fortunate. I have classmates that had the heart attack, had the stroke are type two diabetic. I avoided that. I count my blessings. David (36:50): Um, they weren't so fortunate. So a lot of them, it's only after they get the heart attack or the stroke, or the type two diabetes BDS diagnosis that they start improving their eating habits. And again, a lot of people just don't know where to start, because again, they're looking at diets. There are thousands and thousands of books written about diets and healthy eating up there right now on Amazon alone. There's over 50,000 books on nutrition, kind of like it's crazy. So one expert will tell you one thing, one will say another. And a third will say, both of them are wrong. So who or what you believe and act on the trust? No, it comes down to basics in there. What I've identified as nine principles that are fundamental for just healthy eating. The first one is drink more water. The second one is avoid manufactured and processed foods. David (37:49): That includes deli meats, such as the smoked Turkey. Even if it is low sodium, the ham and Stromae and roast beef. The third thing is eat more holistic whole foods that are real foods as close to organic as possible. Also, you want to eat slower. You want to reduce your portion sizes. You want to get adequate sleep. You want to have a positive mental attitude and give positive self-talk. People may not realize we have over 12,000 thoughts a day. And 90% of those thoughts are the same thoughts as the day before. And have those thoughts. 80% are negative. Now, can you imagine if you turn around and your self-talk or thoughts were 80% positive as opposed to negative? So little things like that is what we talk about in the book to help people, um, you know, start their health journey. It's a lifestyle it's, again, diets are designed to fail. They're extreme. They're temporary to, hard to stick with and are potentially dangerous. Yeah. So people who go on diets and failed to lose weight, it's not their fault. The diet is to blame. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (39:01): Right. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And, and I like also, I just wanted to say, I liked that you quoted Walt Disney and keep moving forward in here as well. David (39:10): Exactly. If you, if you stumble and you have a day where you, you went out with friends and ate something you weren't supposed to, or indulge a little bit, just start over the next day and keep moving forward because you start making progress. Instead of, you know, you'll start taking two or three steps forward for every one step backwards. And before you know it, you start getting new routines that will become new behaviors. That'll become new habits. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (39:36): I like that. One more thing before we wrap up, if we could just touch on quickly is the, um, it's fasting, you know, something that we've been thinking about, talking about a little bit more, it's become more. Uh, I think there's a lot more talk about it. W what's your opinion on, on the value of fasting David (39:56): Thing has been around for thousands of years, a lot of the religious leaders from Jesus to Buddha, to Mohammad all fasted, um, they did it for spiritual reasons. Fasting is great for, um, healing, the body. It gives your body time to rest and digest the food we talked about in the book, um, of a dirty dishes in the sink. And he keep piling up the sink with dirty dishes. He never wash it. Well, assume the sink is overflowing with dirty dishes, and then it's getting gross and bacteria is growing and you have problems. Well, that's, what's happening to your body. If you don't give your body time to clean itself, to digest the food and process it, you keep putting more and more into it. So fasting is important. Now there's different types of fast there's, short-term fast. Um, a fast can be as little as four hours between eating. David (40:49): Uh, I like what I call intermittent fasting, and that's anywhere from 12 hours to 16 hours, some people go 18 hours. It's really easy. And most people do an intermittent fast without realizing it. If say, you go to bed at, you know, you stop eating at seven o'clock at night and your breakfast is at seven o'clock in the morning. Well, that's an interim, an advance that's 12 hours. You know, again, some experts say you only need 12 hours. Some say 14, some say 16, it's what's best for you. And what you're able to do, build up to it. The trick is to stop eating three hours before you go to sleep. Now, some experts will say, stop eating after six o'clock at night, some will say seven o'clock hour. Everybody has different work schedules. If you don't get home from work till six o'clock, you want to have dinner. David (41:40): It's hard to stop eating at six, right? Or it's seven. So that's why I usually give the rule of thumb is three hours before you go to sleep. But fasting is, is important because again, it gives your body an opportunity to cleanse itself. Um, if you're going to go on a longer, fast of three days, which is 72 hours or longer, it should be with medical supervision. Okay. And during a fast, you should be drinking mostly water cause you want to stay hydrated. Yeah. And again, when you're doing a long, fast, over a day, you don't want to do much physical activity. You want to give your body an opportunity to rest in cleanse itself. That's the purpose. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (42:21): Yeah. And that's what I was going to ask because everybody's definition of fasting is a little bit different too, but mainly it's, uh, you can still intake water during that period. But then I have seen some that are, are like, um, liquids, Roca, you know, like a protein shake or whatever like that. So David (42:41): No, a protein drink is not okay. You can have water, black coffee or unsweetened tea. Okay. Those three things, a protein drink has nutrition in it. Right. So your body wants to start processing the nutrition, even though it's a liquid. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (43:01): Okay. Okay. David (43:04): And you know, the other thing is everybody's, you know, like I said, the example I give, oops, give me the book about, um, experts. One expert will say, you should eat breakfast. Another will say you should avoid breakfast, perhaps. And then someone will say, well, you should only eat fruit before your, you know, lunchtime meal. Others would say avoid fruit and only have protein. One research study will say, if you increase your protein intake, first thing in the morning, you'll have more success losing weight. Another research study would say just the opposite. So again, we're all different. We have different chemical compositions, different hormones, different body types. So you need to find out what's going to work for your body specifically and your comfort. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (43:55): Yeah. I was just teasing you. That, that was the last thing one. Now the other thing that Terry brought up too, is the microwave effect. If we could just hit that just shortly from, I'll make that the end David (44:10): In doing research. What I've learned is microwaving food is unhealthy and bad for you because it changes the chemical composition. If you Google, whether microwave food is unhealthy or not, it will say 90% of the time that it's okay. In 74, you, they buried the bad stuff saying it's unhealthy for you. So the reason being is almost 95% of households have a microwave, right? And most restaurants use microwave. They don't want you to know that you're not supposed to be eating microwave food. So I avoid back food as much as possible. There are times sometimes it's unavoidable. Um, if you don't know who's preparing the food or how they're preparing for you again, I'm not a purist. I'm not saying you have to be perfect. No one is perfect. Just do your best to improve your eating habits. And before you know, it you'll start seeing the improvements. David (45:11): And the biggest thing, the number one factor for the audiences drink more water, give up the soda and diet soda, and I can hear it. Now, what diet soda has zero calories. However, most diet soda has aspartame. Aspartame has 92 known side effects that are all negative and most. And what it causes is waking. If you're like, well, how does a product with zero calories? Cause waking the aspartame inhibits your body from absorbing vitamins, minerals and nutrients. So now you're putting your body in starvation mode. So now your body's craving more. Also the aspartame increases your craving for sweetness. So now you started eating other things that are sweeter, right? And so it's a vicious cycle. Um, just understand that that sodas and sodas are chemicals and they prevent your body from absorbing vitamins, minerals, and nutrients. And that's why your body wants more fuel for itself. And that's why you eat more. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (46:12): Okay. Awesome. All right. I'm keeping my promise, David, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to come on the show. It's a very interesting book and everybody needs to pick up a copy. Uh, the other thing I want to ask is what is something that you do in your daily life, a habit ritual, maybe an app or something that you use, but what, what do you use that adds value to your life? Personal professional, something you couldn't do without David (46:41): I start the day with doing affirmations. And my first affirmation is I begin the day with gratitude and being grateful and, um, you know, begin the day being grateful for all the new opportunities. I'm going to receive all the new connections. I'm going to make all the new information and to learn. So I have a whole list of a page of affirmations. Um, my first thing is, like I said, I start my day with a glass of water, 16 ounces of water. Um, so little things like that. Um, there's things in the book with the affirmations and declarations that people could look at and the book is available at Amazon and Barnes and noble and at their library. And they can probably get, uh, at their local independent bookstores. Okay. So that's, that's the biggest thing is just, you know, being grateful and Connie my blessings. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (47:33): Okay. Again, if not now, when is what the name of the book is David (47:39): Correct. And they can go to my website if I can give that up. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (47:42): Certainly I was going to ask you, you know, cause, uh, um, you do some coaching as well. So I want you to be able to tell people, you know, kind of who's your client, what can you do for them? And then of course, how can they reach out and get ahold of you? And then also where we can get the book? David (47:59): Yeah. Clients, basically anyone over age 40 who wants to make a commitment to reduce weight and improve their eating habits and lifestyle. Uh, they can go to the website of createyourthinnerself.com again createyourthinnerself.com. And there's a lot of great articles I write on my blog that gives a lot of great information so they can read the blogs and get an idea of who I am. There's some videos up there, uh, about my weight loss journey. Uh, I've been interviewed by, uh, Dean Cain who played Superman and Lois and Clark TV show interviewed by Kevin Harrington from shark tank, the original shark. So there's a lot of great information they can get. And then I also do a free 30 minute consultation for people to see if they are a good fit for the program. The is very affordable, very inexpensive. I've done it that way. David (49:00): It's a 21 day jumpstart program. So it's 21 days of getting short videos anywhere from three to five minutes with a little PDF, one page with more information and I've done it that way so that people can start improving their daily eating habits. Okay. And I call it jumpstart because it takes 66 days to create a new habit. And during this time I also give them a phone call each week for coaching. So talk to them about some of their struggles, obstacles, or challenges and what they can do to get past them. Okay. So there's a lot of great support in there. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (49:37): Okay. Awesome. And there's also a place on your website that they can pick up the book as well as Amazon, correct? Correct. Okay. All right. Awesome. We all go take a look at David, uh, a lot of great information and, uh, I know that, you know, a couple things that we're going to change is getting that water first thing in the morning and then making sure we at least have a couple before, uh, before our meals. So that'll be a first good change for us. All right. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. We appreciate, uh, all of our listeners. Of course you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Also all the major social media, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and, uh, uh, uh, this video. We will have a video of the interview that will go live on, um, YouTube, whenever the, uh, podcast comes up. And of course you can find us on iTunes, Google, Stitcher, Spotify, all the major podcast platforms. We appreciate you sharing with your friends. Uh, and also if we're not on a platform that you use regularly, please reach out. We'd be glad to get it added. So until next time that's going to do it for me. Terry - Feeding Fatty (50:51): David Medansky. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Lots of insight. Thanks Roy. Thanks to appreciate some ranch. Thank you. Have a great day. Roy - Feeding Fatty - Learn How to Create a Healthy Lifestyle in 90 Days Why Wait Any Longer (51:00): Yup. Y'all take care of your health. Thanks. www.createyourthinnerself.com www.feedingfatty.com
A Healthy Mind And Body Will Lead To More Confidence with Valerie Sinady Knowing what it's like to be on the diet rollercoaster and understanding its effects on the body, Valerie Sinady decided to develop a program that helps people get off this hamster wheel and step into healthier bodies and minds. Her professional experience as a Nurse Practitioner, Certified Personal Trainer and Certified Weight Management specialist gives her the solid foundation she needs to truly make a difference in people's lives. It is this desire to help others that has become the driving force behind her company, ValYou Wellness, and her life-changing approach and services. www.valyouwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy I'm Terry. So we are the podcasts that are chronically in my journey through, uh, through wellness or to wellness, trying to get my, uh, you know, lose a little weight, eat healthier exercise more regularly, uh, get my glucose and blood pressures under control without needing medication. So that is our primary mission is just, um, you know, we thought it would be good. We know a lot of people struggle with these things. So I wanted to start this podcast just to, um, you know, try to show others what we're doing and see if we can help each other as a community from time to time. Of course, you know, we do have, uh, awesome guests and, uh, no different today. Valerie Sinady, she knows what it's like to be on the diet roller coaster and understanding its effects on the body. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:53): Uh, Valerie decided to develop a program that helps people get off this hamster wheel and step into healthier bodies and minds, her professional experience as a nurse practitioner, certified personal trainer and certified weight management specialists gives her the solid foundation. She needs to truly make a difference in people's lives. It is this desire to help others that has become the driving force behind her company, Val you wellness, and that's V a L Y O U wellness and her life-changing approach and services. Terry - Feeding Fatty, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. We certainly do appreciate it. Yes. Valerie (01:33): Thank you. Absolutely. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:37): So we have to, uh, we'll tell the funny story right off the front that, you know, Harry was reading down through your blogs and one thing, uh, Terry I'll let you tell the, that got, got us, our attention focused on Valerie. Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:50): Yes. It, it w it said the urination situation, and I was like, okay, well, I mean, I drink a lot of water, but I just, uh, yeah, I don't have so much strength down there anymore. And I have to go to the bathroom all the time, and I didn't know that it was a trainable thing. So, Roy - Feeding Fatty (02:10): So anyway, once we saw that and, uh, you know, water is, uh, we are both deficient in water and, uh, in the pre-show, we were just talking about Terry - Feeding Fatty and her dedication and commitment to drinking water. So anyway, that was what got us interested. And then, uh, just, uh, uh, Valerie’s credentials. Um, you know, there's a lot of people in the space, but I think that your education, uh, the nurse being a nurse practitioner, along with the, a certified personal trainer, and then the certified weights management, I think that just puts you in a little different stratosphere as far as, you know, the, uh, background education to be able to help people. So that's why we wanted to reach out and talk to you about some different things. And, um, anyway, just appreciate you taking time out of your day for us. Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:00): Yeah. So how did you, so tell us a little bit about, I mean, he just, he just talked about your background a little bit, but are you were an ER nurse, correct? Valerie (03:17): Correct. Correct. So it's kind of come full circle. I was in the health and fitness industry first. Um, so I've been in, I might be tongue a little bit at my age. I've been in the health and fitness industry for about 30 years now. So, yeah. Um, so that's where it started. Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:36): Wow. Because of your age, you must impressive. You must be younger than we are hazards of nursing. You started when you were eight years old. Valerie (03:47): Yeah. I started, I started, uh, not always involved in athletics, so I was in the health and fitness industry. And, um, there came a point where I started having a lot of, uh, people who were being sent into get fit from their healthcare providers. And I was kind of puzzled like, well, why aren't they sending you to us? Don't they know what to do. And that's when I started to realize that actually in a lot of medical training, there really is not a lot of information on nutrition, on health and fitness, um, preventative wellness. And, um, I really was just like, well, that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I think that you should be able to assist these people. And so I actually kind of switched gears and went back to school and became a nurse and a nurse practitioner, and then married all of these things together. Um, because I think that it really would be helpful for people that was my goal. Um, because most people do have chronic issues. A lot of people have chronic issues. And so I was hoping to marry those two things, to be able to truly help people get to their health and fitness goals. Roy - Feeding Fatty (05:03): Yeah. And I think it makes such a big difference besides just, uh, you know, a lot of the medical profession, you know, they don't want to just throw medicine at us instead of actually let's get to the root cause of, you know, why do you have high glute coasts levels? Or why do you have high blood pressure? Why are you overweight? Let's try to fix the underlying fundamentals instead of just, well, we got some medicine that we can give you. And I kinda, you know, my story's kind of that way went, uh, you know, found out that I was, uh, had high glucose and then I got the medicine and, you know, after a while you just think, why am I taking this? Why don't we fix, you know, what's going on, on the underlying issues there. So, yeah. Valerie (05:44): Right. Exactly. Yeah. And I think prevention part is missing for a lot of people. Roy - Feeding Fatty (05:48): Exactly. Yeah. And not to, uh, not to really, uh, you know, pile on to the medical professional, but it's funny that I had years ago, I'd gone to a very specific, uh, diabetic class, which was put on by some nurses and, uh, they were talking, you know, it was just like a two or three week, uh, you know, one Saturday cup, you know, maybe six or eight sessions. But anyway, that was basically their message is that, you know, unfortunately the, the doctors don't always have a lot of that in-depth information about those specific things. So instead of helping us with the fundamental problems, basically, you know, we're just treating the symptoms Valerie (06:33): Exactly. And don't get me wrong. I absolutely think that there are situations and reasons for people to be on, um, medications. Right. And there are times that that is necessary. Um, but there are also a lot of my style and behavioral things that can help conditions that can help minimize in a lot of cases, how much medication somebody may be on. Um, and so addressing those things is really sometimes the missing piece for a lot of people. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:04): Right. Yeah. And I think the, uh, we've, you know, we talked previously about this and one of our talking points as of course, you know, dieting, and I think that, uh, you know, myself, there's people always suggest well or used to, you know, you could have the surgery and, um, you could do this, you can do that. But you know, if we don't change that behavior and the mindset, you know, for me, the biggest issue is just, you know, getting my mind wrapped around because I've had so many bad habits for so many years that it's hard to just change on a dime. But my concern is always that, you know, I need to be a whatever changes I'm able to make. I need to be able to live beyond that. So if you eat out of a, if you eat a box meal, you know, while you're losing weight, when, when you get to where you want to be, and it's time to quit eating out of a box, then you know, then where do you go from there? So, Valerie (07:58): Right. As I say, it's, it's a tough one. Um, people want to think about, you know, weight, loss surgery. Some people think that, Oh, you must be against it. And it's not that I'm against it. It's a tool. You still have to be able to make changes for the sustainable part of it. And you have to learn those habits. And you're right. A lot of it is a lot of it is mindset because in the long run of it, dieting doesn't work. Long-term right. It's a short term solution. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:33): Yeah. And so, uh, you know, like us, what we, we try to cut down the processed, uh, foods and yeah. You know, organic, well, we do look at calories. We try to look at the bigger picture is just, you know, and when you're eating more vegetables and more of the foods that seem to be better for you, it's like that whole calorie worry goes away because you're, you know, you're getting a lot of good stuff. And the other thing is you get, I think the other thing that concerned me that we weren't that up on, on dieting is, um, when you diet change and do something that's, uh, pretty extreme. It's all these micro nutrients that our body needs for different functions that you miss out on. And so, again, I know we're talking about a lot of things here at once, but that's why I'd like to get, you know, we, we got the, one of the apps so that we can be very cognizant that we are getting these micronutrients and we're not losing out. And the nice thing about the little app we use is if you, if you are deficient in one, you can just hover over it. And it'll actually tell you the foods to go to, which all typically tend to be green spinach. Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:50): I got to slide on me. Roy - Feeding Fatty (09:53): I haven't, I haven't rolled over one yet. And it says, go down to, uh, Brahms and get a double dip, uh, ice cream cone, anything like that. Valerie (10:00): It doesn't seem to be in there. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:04): Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:05): Um, you know, I think kind of talking about the dieting doesn't work, I think not only do we have to come off of that diet eventually, but we could be doing a lot of damage to our bodies in the process. Valerie (10:17): That's absolutely true. Um, a lot of people, it might seem a little bit contradictory to say, but there are a lot of people who are overweight, but under nourished. Exactly. And they just don't have the appropriate nutrients. Um, and the difficulty with that is, you know, your body's always trying to keep you alive and trying to get you to do the right things physiologically. Right. So when you're not getting the right nutrients, you aren't going to be hungry. You're your body wants you to get them in and kind of, it's going to prompt you to hopefully eat the right things. Um, so it's, it's trying to get the right food in, um, that really helps you manage your weight and manage your hunger. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:01): Yeah. The other thing, and I'm going to let Terry talk about this more. She read one of the articles that you had. That it's huge for me because as you know, as we started this journey, or as I started it, I, I I've become much more aware of myself, my feelings, uh, not those feelings, but just whenever I feel, Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:25): Okay, this is a whole new show Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:28): When I feel hungry or, uh, tired. And so one thing I have noticed is that, uh, being tired, not getting enough sleep is a huge trigger for me. And so years ago I got into a bad habit of, you know, like an eight or nine o'clock at night. It'd be like, w you know, want to go get something to eat snack, and then, you know, go to go to bed with the full stomach, that full satisfied feeling. But, um, also it's like, you crave that for our, I do for the energy, because I'm like, I'm fixing to fall out if I don't have something and it's tired, or it's the war anyway, Terry, I'll let you talk about that article. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (12:07): Oh, well, I mean, Terry - Feeding Fatty needs to talk about it, but it was your last, your, uh, most recent, um, blog posts. The XYZ is of weight loss and how important sleep is, and the two hormones, um, the starvation hormone versus I I've read it all. You explain a little bit about that. You'll be much better than I am. Valerie (12:33): Well, this is the thing, you know, your body does a lot of things when you're asleep, you know, your body's always trying to keep you alive. So, you know, at night is the time when you're not doing all these things. So it can now take time away from digestion and slows your breathing down. So it doesn't need to use the energy for that, and they can bill. Um, but there are also these circadian rhythms, right? So we have certain hormones that come out at certain times of day. Um, and there's you say, the, the hunger hormone and the satiety hormone, um, and when you don't get enough sleep, your hunger hormone gets higher and your ability to feel full goes down. So you're not getting enough sleep, you're going to have cravings. And a lot of times those cravings are for high energy things, which translates to high sugar, highs that things, because your body's just like, give me energy now, you know, I I'm missing something. And the reality of this is what you're actually missing is sleep. Yep. There's the answer very important. We're in a society where sleep is something we don't do a lot of Terry - Feeding Fatty (13:52): Too many things to do. I mean, there's so much going on, you have to multitask and do all these things, right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (13:57): Yeah. And it seems to be the one thing that gets pushed out. And I think we could probably relate that a little bit to water as well, that we were talking about, because you do read a lot that, you know, we need water for our body, but also that, uh, sometimes it can mask being dehydrator, thirsty can mask itself as hunger. Is that correct? Valerie (14:20): That is correct. That is correct. And there's a couple of different theories about why that actually happens. Um, they still kind of research trying to flesh it out on whether, uh it's because in part, those signals come from the same part of the brain. And is there some crossover, um, where your body can't tell if it's actually thirsty or hungry and we tend to eat because we are not hydrated and we're not in the habit of drinking water. Um, and so our first instinct is usually to go to food as opposed to trying to drink some water. And sometimes you'll see, and you drink your water. And then you're like, Oh, okay. I wasn't so hungry after all. I feel just fine. And it really wouldn't be hydration. It was really a coffer for water or for hydration, as opposed to a call for food that your body is giving you. Right. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (15:12): So, uh, another, uh, thing that you had mentioned is, excuse me, taking the loss out of weight loss. Valerie (15:21): Absolutely. Absolutely. Weight loss tends to come because of the dieting industry. And it is an industry, right. It's an industry. So it is made to make money as most industries are. Right. Um, which in order to make money, you have to have repeat customers. Right? Right. So, uh, it is the dieting industry tells us to restrict food and restrict and restrict and restrict. And so when you're coming from a place of restriction, you feel very limited. You start to then think about what you're missing. I mean, if I tell you, you can't have a cupcake, what do you think about that's really what you start to zone in on? Right. Um, so I said, take the loss out of it. Think of it. Instead of thinking about what you can't have, think about all the things we can have. Let's focus on that. And really now in on those, because I don't believe that there are any foods that are off limits or bad foods. You can have everything that you want. It's a question of when you have it, how you have it to what degree, um, excess of anything is not good, but some is, is good. You know, you can have 80, 80% good and 20% is so that you can have fun and maintain your sense of control and not feel deprived because that probation is going to lead you to cravings and bingeing and all of that. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:53): Yeah. And I think you bring up a good point about the, uh, the time of day that we eat. Certain things is, is important as well. I guess the, uh, I'll let you speak to this, but maybe if you need that, the carbs, eat them earlier in the day and try to start tapering them off the closer you get to evening, things like that. Valerie (17:15): Sure. Absolutely. Um, carbs are necessary. They are necessary. Uh, fat is necessary. Uh, protein is necessary. There is no macronutrient that your body does not need. Right? So you need all of it, but there is a question of how you're getting it in what the quality of the food is. And yes, also when you're having it. Yeah. If you're having something that is high carb, which is quite fast energy, if you're going to work out and have a heavy workout, that's a great day to have plenty of carbs that day. Right. Because you're going to need it and it's going to help you have a, even better workout if you're energetic, trying to work out when you're, who deprive or carbohydrate the cries. And if the quality is not going to be very good in terms of your physical activity either, Terry - Feeding Fatty (18:06): Right? Oh yeah. Timing. Yeah. Oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, you're fine. Go ahead. No, uh, yeah, I was going to say, you go and work out and then it's like, Oh, I'm so hungry. You're much hungrier after that seems like always. Roy - Feeding Fatty (18:23): Yeah. And it's just that, you know, trying to keep that balance. I used to have a note over my desk. I need to get that I needed to resurface it, but you know, it was drink your water. It was, uh, you know, exercise, you know, even just taking those short breaks and getting out and walking, not only is it good for your body, but also clears your head so you can, you know, I become, uh, I, I think much better after I go for a little 15 minute walk and just clear everything out and able to reset, but also, you know, getting the S the sleep and the breathing. And other thing that I have noticed is number one, I'm a very shallow breather, but whenever I get really involved in something or intense or focused, I tend to, you know, probably hold my breath a lot more. So there's a lot of things that we need to think about that we need to do all in conjunction before we get to the point of saying, uh, we need to restrict be restrictive on, you know, all this on our intake. Like you said, as long as we manage that, uh, we could probably have just about everything that's out there. Yeah. Valerie (19:31): I agree. Yeah. I agree. And I just wanted to bring out a point that you said was about like going for a little walk, which is great. And I, uh, like to emphasize to people that in terms of activity, your activity, doesn't have to be all at once, right? You don't have to do a 30 minute or 60 minute workout every time you do three, 10 minute walks. If, you know, research has proven that it is still helpful, even if you're doing it in blocks, because it adds up, you don't necessarily have to have huge blocks of time to kind of improve your health and improve your habits. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (20:06): Yeah. And I think for me, uh, uh, having that little walk after a meal has, seems to help me manage my glucose a lot better. Uh, you know, when I'm watching what I eat and just getting a little exercise seems to burn some of that excess off for me. Terry - Feeding Fatty (20:25): Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty, can you tell us about, uh, more about, uh, your company value wellness? Valerie (20:34): I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. Terry - Feeding Fatty (20:36): Uh, can you tell us more about value wellness and, and, um, what is all involved in in your company? Valerie (20:45): Sure. Um, it is value Y O U wellness, um, because that is very much my approach. It's a customized approached, um, everybody's individual needs are different from their history, from what they're doing there, what they have done, what has worked for them, what is not as well as what their goals may be now. Um, not everybody's goal is necessarily to lean out and, you know, be, uh, uh, figure competitive lean or something like that. Some people it's just, okay, I want to get better control of my nutrition. I want to have a better relationship with food, and I want to know how to do that. I need to get more hydration. Um, I want to be a healthier either. So there's a lot of different goals that people may have. Um, and it's in discussion with my clients and kind of discovering what they're looking for, what their needs are, um, and figuring out a plan that is going to get them to their goal. Valerie (21:52): Um, sometimes people need more help depending on what they need. Some people will have longer times, um, because they have bigger goals and more extensive goals that they need to reach. Um, but cookie cutter programs just don't work because everybody is different and everybody's metabolism is different. Um, your lifestyle is different. So what I try to work with my clients is to try to make your lifestyle a healthier lifestyle, as opposed to living a healthy lifestyle, whatever that made may mean as far as society is concerned. Um, you know, if you'd like to watch football every week on Sunday and you do certain things, then we need to work a program. That's going to fit that in because it's a bad quality of life. Ultimately it's not just about a number on the scale, right? Roy - Feeding Fatty (22:46): Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And if we try to push again, not only with, uh, with limiting our intake or what we eat, but also if we try to overdo, it can just lead to burn out. And I know I've done that because, you know, I, I, I tend to try to spend too much time in the, you know, I get in there, you get all excited and want to do all of this stuff. And then, you know, two or three hours go by. And then at some point it's like, Oh, I just can't spend two or three hours. So, you know, trying to get a plan design for around your schedule where you can keep up with it and it doesn't just wear you down, obviously will make things much more sustainable going forward. Valerie (23:30): Right. Exactly. Cause that's what happens with the yo-yo dieting and the rollercoaster, because in the short term, a lot of people do get results on diets in the short term, but then life happens. And how do you adjust what you were doing to how your life actually is? And that's when everything starts to kind of go awry and it's like starting over again. Um, and so you just try to work from a place of where my clients are and try to fit things in that are sustainable and flexible things change. Yeah. My changes Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:07): Age and aging too. I mean, you, the older you get, the more important than nutrition is, I mean, you want to hang around and you want to have a good quality of life. So you need to make sure that when you laugh out loud, because you must have been reading my mind. Cause I was just thinking about the same thing there. I was like, no, I was just thinking about, you know, from the, uh, the exercise and the, the strength of our bodies, you know, always, I think if you get to a certain point in life that you start thinking about, you know, the aging and you see people that age, not so well. And so again, for me, you know, part of my motivation is like, I don't, you know, I don't want to be a burden on somebody in the aging process. I want to be able to be strong. Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:53): And, and so part of that means being healthy and, you know, making sure that we not only eat the right things at the right weight, taking care of ourselves nutritionally, but also having a stronger body. I think we, um, you know, one thing I've talked about before is you can, you can withstand some trauma if you, if your body is stronger, I guess, and you know, I take the, like a football player, you know, those guys get hit and knocked down and thrown down all the time. They pop right up and they keep moving. They may be a little sore tomorrow, but you know, if you were to take a normal person like me, that's out of shape. If I was to take one of those hits, I mean, it would be, it'd be over for me. So, you know, I think I kind of look at it that way, going through the aging process is the stronger and the healthier we can be. We probably give ourselves a better chance of aging. Well, too. Valerie (25:45): Absolutely. You know, the goals that most people have across the continuum of life changes, right? So, you know, when you're in your twenties, you know, clients are in their twenties and thirties, they may have very physical appearance oriented goals, right. As you get older, those things change. You know what, I'm even more concerned now about mobility and flexibility and longevity, and being able to, you know, go on vacation and do walking tours as opposed to, you know, not ending up in a wheelchair. And those are totally different goals. And that's why your approach that I have has to be so customized, right? Because people are at different stages in life. People have different concerns, people have different goals. Um, but it does ultimately it's about having the best quality of life wherever you are in that span because people are not afraid of getting old per se. I think people are afraid of getting older and not having a good quality of life at that age. Yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:51): Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. We can't stop the aging. We can't stop ourself from aging. I think we can just set ourself up to age better. You know, we don't want to outlive our, we don't want to outlive our health. You know, we, of course we don't outlive our usefulness, but we don't want outlive that health component either because it can be such a, a, a terrible place to be. Uh, one thing that you brought up that, uh, I have definitely noticed a lot more in the last few years, is that flexibility and stretching. So, uh, you know, I guess stretching also plays a major part in the, you know, the health of our body and is, should be a big, uh, component as much as our cardio and walking and weightlifting as well. Valerie (27:39): Sure, sure. It's often neglected by many people, even people who are very physically active, um, often kind of neglect the flexibility part. Um, but it is important because you can be very physically fit and as you start to age, you're still physically fit, but you can't bend over and tie your own shoes. Exactly. You know, so that, there's a quality of life piece that, you know, is involved with flexibility and mobility being able to get upstairs, come to me, um, lowering your chance, your risk of falls, all of that is important as we age. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:15): Yeah. And it's funny you say that we were a couple of weekends ago, we were out running around and I had to, I had a time I shoe in an awkward position and I like really strained my back. I kind of pulled a muscle and it, you know, we were laughing like, Oh my gosh, I threw my back out, tying my shoe. But I think that all comes back to the flexibility. And I just, I have to say, I don't do that enough and need to pay a lot more attention. I'm sure there, um, you know, a lot of great techniques that people can learn to do this in their house and, you know, probably just do it in a few minutes every day. Lots of virtual. Valerie (28:51): Absolutely. And it is something that you can improve on regardless of where you are. You can always improve on your flexibility and bit by bit. Um, so it is something that doesn't take a lot of time. I can have a huge payoff off in terms of quality of life. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:07): Yeah. Another thing I talk, I, I kind of excited about this, but, uh, I got me a, uh, recently I got me a T R X band and just put it here in the house now I can't, I didn't have the hive to put it up, you know? Yeah. I didn't have the hive to put it like that. Like I wanted, but I was able to tie it off to a beam and, you know, it's good for me. It doesn't replace me going to the gym and working out. But you know, what I do is during a day is, um, it makes me stop for a few minutes and go over. And not only just not be sitting at the desk in front of a computer, but you know, I just do a few little arm presses or exercise or pull ups, you know, a few different little routines on it, but it's really been beneficial. Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:55): And, uh, I feel like that's, it's helped me a lot because, you know, again, talking about like a little bit like we did earlier, you know, I, I tend to sit in my chair and get intense on why I'm doing either, if it's the podcasting or my, you know, regular job and, um, you know, hours and hours go by before we get up or four, I get up and move. And, you know, sometimes Terry comes over and gives me a little tap on the shoulder. Like, okay, it's time to just get up for a minute. Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:27): But, uh, you know, it's, it's a serious thing because the new messaging is that setting is the new smoking. And so I think giving ourself a reason to, you know, set an alarm to stand up, it's not only about our body, but another thing it's about our eyes that, um, you know, there's some, I think there's a 2020 rule that every 20 minutes you should take 20 seconds and focus 20 feet away or something like that. But, uh, you know, we need to give ourselves a good reason to just get up every hour or so during the day and not just sit here and be a zombies to our computer screens. Valerie (31:09): It's yeah, we it's, it's easy to fall down that rabbit hole. I think we all, especially now, I mean, we spend so much time in front of the screen during the pandemic don't have, as, you know, the opportunity to go places. Um, but yes, the TRX is awesome. The goal is always to try to move more and sit less. Um, but what I love about the TRX, actually, one of the things I like the most is the balanced perspective, um, because of the way you use it, you do use your core muscles. It does integrate a lot of balance work. Um, so good job, boy, that's a good thing Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:47): Now for people that don't understand, don't understand it, you use your own body weight, and you can probably explain it much better than me, but use your own body weight. And you can, you know, just like doing the pull-ups, you can adjust the angle of your body in order to increase or decrease resistance. Valerie (32:06): Exactly. Yeah, exactly. So it's a set of Holies essentially. Um, and you can do all kinds of different exercises on it, and basically as you angle your body, you get more or less leveraged. Um, and you're using your body weight, you're using your body weight. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (32:23): Yeah. And if you could tie it up to the ceiling higher, if you can get, you know, the right anchor to get that set up, you can actually do a lot with your legs. I've seen guys put their feet in there and do pushups or, uh, you know, turn around and do some kind of a set up in it. So anyway, it's a it's, I don't think it replaces for me. It doesn't replace the gym and needing to get out and do some more, uh, I guess more weight focus, lifting like that or the cardio part, but it is a good little tool to have them to make yourself get up. Terry - Feeding Fatty (32:53): I have not tried it yet. I'm a little afraid that I'm just going to go. I just need to do it, rip the bandaid off and go, Valerie (33:02): Just rip it off once you do it, it's also kind of fun, you know, just the, the flow of it. There's a piece of mindfulness. I think that comes into using it too, which is kind of a meditative aspect. Terry - Feeding Fatty (33:15): Oh yeah. And mindfulness, everybody can use a little more of that. A lot more of that. Okay. Valerie (33:21): True. True. Well, Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:24): We want to thank you so much for being a part of our program. And, um, before we get away, I want to ask you a couple of things. Number one. So what is a tool or a habit or ritual that you use in your daily life could be professional, personal, just something you do that adds a lot of value. Valerie (33:46): Now, Roy, you know what I'm going to say? Valerie (33:50): I'm going to tell you it's water. I carry my 32. Yeah. My 32 ounce bottle of water, wherever I go, so I can keep myself hydrated. Um, it's one of the simplest and most impactful habits, um, that you can have. And, um, you, you, you notice the difference. I mean, when you're hydrated, you have definitely noticed the difference. So I always recommend the Drupal. That's one thing that you can do for your health and is, uh, easy, um, and just have it with you all the time and you won't feel so, so much better for it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (34:25): Yeah. And the other part for me is, uh, substituting it for the carbonated drinks. Cause even though I don't drink the regular, the sugar water, still the carbonated drinks, uh, I just, I've begun to read a lot more about the negative effects of that and the, um, uh, artificial sweeteners. So, uh, trying to replace some of those with water, and I will ask you for any tips or tricks that you have, because I'm just not a water guy. I don't like water. It's hard. I've got a bottle here. That's probably been sitting on my desk for about two or three days. And Valerie (35:06): What are we going to do with, I try, We're going to work on it, Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:12): Opening his mouth and pouring it down his throat. I mean, my goodness we'll have to get a hose. Roy - Feeding Fatty (35:21): Are there any tips or tricks, you know, every now and then I buy the, uh, the packets that I can put in there. Crystal lights. Yeah. I'm not sure if that's, uh, doing more harm than good, but anyway, w what, what are some tips that we can do? Valerie (35:36): This is what I say, progress, not perfection, right? So if you are drinking, you know, more water and less carbonated beverage, and so you're going in the right direction, right? So then you start from there and you gradually do one better. So those packets, they're not necessarily all bad. Um, there are some, I do suggest that you go for ones that are more than just dehydrated fruit, um, that don't have the added sugar that don't have the added artificial sweeteners. And it's basically literally like dehydrated fruits. You can just add some citrus flavor to it. Um, another thing I do herbal teas, you know, do some herbal tea, put it in a pitcher, um, put it in the refrigerator if possible, put it in the refrigerator and keep it at eye level, take your gift. So there's some things that you have once in a while, put them down at the bottom so that when you see you open your fridge, you're going to be more tempted to get something that's right in front of you, as opposed to, if it's down there, you really have to think about like, do I really want this, that down on the bottom shelf? Valerie (36:47): Um, just simple things to kind of some of it sometimes, honestly, it's a little bit of just the mind trick. Yeah. Yeah. Um, of having something more accessible to you, you're going to be more likely to do it. It makes it easier for you to make a healthier choice, Roy - Feeding Fatty (37:03): Speak colluding. Cause I went in there the other day to look for a Coke and they are down on the bottom at the very back where you have to move everything. I love that there was a, there was a bottle of water that was setting right there on the top shelf, easy for me to reach in and grab. So Valerie (37:20): How about seltzer? Have you tried seltzer? Terry - Feeding Fatty (37:23): Uh, well, you know, well, no, I mean, it was like a flavored Korean, a cranberry one, but he doesn't like the, um, sparkling waters. Yeah. Valerie (37:33): Well, you know these things too, aren't you have to give your palate time to judge. Like if you've been having a lot of things that are, as you start to move away from processed foods, a lot of times people start to realize like, if you haven't had these things and then you go back and you taste something that you used to really, really like, and then you taste them. You're like, Oh my gosh, that is really too sweet. And sometimes it gives you giving you the palette some time to adjust. We'll get you to be able to make that transition a little bit easier. Roy - Feeding Fatty (38:04): Yeah. And the other thing I noticed, the kind of the other side of that is when I'm eating cleaner, like a carrot, you can really taste the sweetness in a carrot. It's not quite as good as a Snickers bar, but you do get a little bit, you do get a little bit of that. Uh, wow. This is a sweetness that I really didn't know. And I guess because we've, you know, drown our palette in so much other sugary foods that, uh, you just can't discern that, but it's interesting what you can start taste after you, uh, cut out some of these other foods. Yeah. Valerie (38:41): Very, very true. And it's what our bodies are used to too, is the thing that, you know, before all the processed foods came into play and all the added sugars, we were more accustomed and able to taste the sweetness, but, you know, processed foods are very concentrated sugar. And so over time, your body kind of gets tolerant to that need things that are sweeter and sweeter in order to be able to taste. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:08): Yep. Yep. And that's a good, that's another good point to make is that I guess, uh, w we shouldn't expect to make, uh, a fairly decent size change and, uh, uh, be effective in two or three days, just like with this taste. I mean, it may take a week or so a week or 10 days or two weeks to finally kind of clear your pallet to where you can actually start tasting more of the good foods that we eat. Yeah. Very true. Very true. All right, Valerie. Well, thank you so much for being with us. So before we go, why don't you tell people who, um, who is your customer, uh, what you can do for them? And then of course, how can they reach out and get ahold of you website? Valerie (39:54): So, um, my customer is the person who wants to improve their health, which may include losing body fat, losing weight, sometimes, maybe other things. Um, but once you have a customized approach where it is about sustainability, lifestyle changes, habit changes, whole foods. Um, I definitely not, uh, the approach of having a lot of supplements and pills and potions and things of that nature. Um, and everybody's plan is a little different, to be honest, I do speak with, uh, all of my clients beforehand, because you have to see if I can help. I can't help everybody. Um, sometimes I have to refer out. I have a very big, uh, referral base for those who may need services that I cannot provide. Um, but we do it kind of step wise approach, a lot of little changes that stick a lot of small changes that become habits over time and become big changes over time and are sustainable. And you can get me the value wellness.com. I should mention, let's see at valyouwellness.com. Roy - Feeding Fatty (41:06): Yeah, that's great. Yeah. And I think you bring up a good point. I hate to keep on going, but every time we, every time we have an exchange, I think of something else, but I think you bring up, you bring up a good point that if, um, if you reach out to somebody to help you, and they say, Hey, I helped Joe. So I can use that plan and help you. That is a definite red flag. EV everybody not only their goals are going to be, their bodies are different. Everything is different. So, you know, you need to have a customized plan that is developed just for you as an individual. Yeah, Valerie (41:46): Sure. I mean, look, looking for example, in your case, I mean, if you, if you have a, if I have a client who suffers from diabetes, their concerns and their plan is going to be different than somebody who does not, right. Yeah. What is diabetes or PCLs or hypothyroidism, like those things are actual conditions that change hormones and things like that. And that plan is not going to be the same for somebody else. Right. Um, so it, it really does need to be a customized approach depending on what that person's situation is and what they're trying to achieve. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (42:21): Yep. So if you're, if you reach out to a wellness professional, they're not asking you those questions, that should be a definite red flag that you may need to be a red flag. Yeah. Yeah. So you need to reach out to Valerie, let her, because we know that she will, uh, ask you all the right questions and, uh, with her w you know, I think you have such a unique background, uh, with your, um, you know, being the nurse practitioner with the certified trainer and the certified weight management that, uh, it's just a great combination. So y'all reach out to Valerie, uh, see how she can help you out. And that's going to do it for the blogs. Yes. Read the blogs. Valerie (43:01): Yes. Read the blog. Lots of information on the blog. They'll keep coming. So feel free to read those as well. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (43:07): Terry calls me in after she reads them. Oh my gosh. You got to come hear about this one. So I read the whole thing. That's great. All right. Well, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Uh, of course you can find us on all the major platforms, iTunes, Google, Stitcher, Spotify. You can also find us at www.feedingfatty.com and all social media, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. And of course this, uh, once this episode goes live, the, uh, YouTube video will be up as well. So until next time I'm Roy I'm Terry. Thank you, Valerie. Appreciate it. www.valyouwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com
Traditional Eastern Healing with Yadi Alamin and Joi Abraham Yadi Alamin was severely ill in 2000. The medical drugs he was prescribed made him sicker and he contemplated suicide due to pain and emaciation. Yadi's mother recommended he get acupuncture. Yadi got more than that. He credits the acupuncturist for saving his life. Yadi learned Eastern Traditional Healing Arts and Exercise and has been helping people since his recovery. Charlotte Reflexology opened in 2012, and has grown since training Joi Abraham to work in clinic. Yadi is the apprentice of 3 Master Acupuncturists, a six-time Certified Reflexologist, and a Tibetan Medical QiGong Therapist. He has 18 years clinical experience in Traditional Chinese Medicine, No Needle Acupuncture, Reflexology and Medical QiGong for Serious Conditions. Yadi was diagnosed with a potentially fatal disease at 24, and learned how to heal himself without surgery, drugs and a cocktail of herbs. His philosophy is simple “do what works, and do it often.” He has had clients recover from a host of ailments using QiGong, Reflexology, and food-based methods. Eastern Traditional Healing Arts & Charlotte Reflexology School Qigong Saved ME www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy I'm Terry. So our show is I, um, you know, it's kind of a personal journey. What we'd like to do is, uh, share my journey. Terry is my support. I take all the credit for the fatty part of this, but, uh, she works diligently trying to, you know, help keep me on track with the eating ex, getting out of my chair and going and exercising and, you know, with COVID and working from home, it's become much more easier to be sedentary. And I posted a new video yesterday and we're going to try to post more, uh, little video clips of me being out, uh, you know, at the gym yesterday. So anyway, we appreciate you tuning in and listening. The other thing is, uh, you know, we always like to have, uh, professionals and other experts in areas come on with us, uh, to give us not only some things to think about, but points of view, and also people to reach out, to, uh, talk to, to help us through our journey. So, uh, today we have some awesome guests and Terry, I'm going to let you introduce them. Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:07): Yeah, today we would love to welcome Yadi Alamin and Joi Abraham from Charlotte, traditional healing, formerly Charlotte re reflexology and Yadi Alamin was severely ill. And two in 2000, the medical drugs, he was prescribed, made him sicker and he, he, uh, due to pain and emaciation yadda, his mother recommended he get acupuncture and he got more than that. He credits the acupuncturist for saving his life. He learned Eastern traditional healing, arts and exercise, and has been helping people since his recovery. Um, Charlotte traditional healing opened in 2012 as Charlotte reflexology and has grown since, since Joi, Abraham trained to work in the clinic. And she is a clinician as well. So welcome both of you to the show. We are so excited to hear more about all of this very interested. Yes. Yadi (02:16): Thanks so much for that warm introduction. Good morning. Good morning. Roy - Feeding Fatty (02:22): We are both interested in, you know, we kind of had some pre-show conversation that we, uh, been looking forward to this for a couple of weeks now, but unfortunately with our, uh, you know, knowledge base, uh, it's gonna be difficult for us as good to, you know, intriguing questions. So we, we're going to try not to be an audience here. We're going to try to jump in and add something to the conversation. But, um, you know, with that said, if you don't mind Yachty, could you just kind of tell us a little bit more about what got you started or, uh, you know, how that transformation looked? Yadi (02:56): Sure. Um, I used to work in phlebotomy. I used to draw blood. I was a vampire. I was a medical Porter as a really young guy, and I worked in, um, pharmacy in mail order pharmacy. So I had already worked in Western medicine, you know, up until about 2000. So everything that I knew was Western medicine. My father was a chemical engineer. My mother mother's a teacher. I'm from the Midwest. I'm from Illinois, grew up in Chicago. So I'm not as long Asia. I didn't have any experience in anything outside of the norm. Um, but I got very sick, uh, and ended up in the emergency room because my heart was beating too fast and I couldn't breathe. And I'd never really been sick in my life. I was a wrestler. I was a boxer. I did, I think, karate or whatever when the karate kid came out. Yadi (03:54): And, and that was about, you know, it was, I thought I was tough, but all of a sudden, you know, my heart's beating too fast and I can't breathe. I called the ambulance and I, now I'm clueless because now I'm a patient I'd never been on that side. And, uh, they gave me Xanax and told me I had anxiety and they were so quick to give me the drug. And I didn't know anything about the drugs. I just took it. And within two weeks I had ended up in the ER, seven times. Wow. And by that time, uh, it was the same diagnosis, but then eventually they said, well, we've been an x-ray $10,000. We did an x-ray and we think you have ulcerative colitis. We want you to go see a GI specialist, blah, blah, blah, go see him. Uh, they told me, no, you don't have colitis, but I'm going to send you to a GP. I go to a GP, nothing. And finally, they sent me to an immunologist and told me I had idiopathic auto-immune hepatitis. Joi (04:50): Wow. That again, literally Yadi (04:56): Nothing. If you go back, that means they don't know why you have it. Auto immune was a guest and then hepatitis had his liver and then items, inflammation. I didn't know this really. I was like 24 years old and I believed everything they said, but I was losing weight quickly. And I went down to about 118 pounds. And you can tell, like, I'm spinning as is, imagine 30, uh, 40 pounds lighter. Wow. Um, and at that point they said, you're going to take these drugs. You're going to take interferons. Like you have hepatitis or you're going to die. And, um, I, I had been sick from the medication on top of being sick. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. Uh, every symptom was magnified by a million. Like my heart would just pound. I would stand up the room would spin. And, um, I gave up, so for about a year, I did what people do. Yadi (05:51): I went on at the time it was Yahoo and I Google, um, I went on Yahoo and I'm like, yeah, what do you do to fix your body? You don't know anything. How do you heal from disease? And you realize that the world is not built that way. And people are selling things for symptoms. And you're going to keep buying things as long as your complaints. Uh, about a year later, I was suicidal and I called my mother who was down here in Charlotte. Uh, and I said, mom, I want to die. And she said, well, don't do that. Go to an acupuncture, Joi (06:23): Please don't do that. Yadi (06:26): Yeah. And she really didn't know what she was saying, but it was kinda like this don't don't kill yourself. You know, I found the guy in a book, um, Chinese guy wearing, um, a pool, like the comfortable uniform you see in the old Shaw brothers, seventies movies. Right? Well, he can like me in the neck. Joi (06:45): Right. Yadi (06:49): It wasn't much different. It, it went very deep. Uh, he checked my pulse, he looked at my tongue. He told me, uh, liver, kidney spleen, which I didn't know what he was talking about. Exactly. Was very thick. Put me on the table for about 20 minutes. And he's doing these, you know, these body manipulations, like pressing and rolling and grunting and putting his hands on the radiators. It was cold. So he put his hands on the radiator and he's Yadi (07:20): Like, I'm like, whatever, you know, uh, whatever you want to do is fine. Place smelled like fish. The fish market is a Chinatown. So fish markets down the hall, sort of, and his liniment and fish smell in there. I can get up. And I got to tell you the first time in a year I could breathe. I didn't feel like I was going to die. And, um, I knew this man was helping. So I just, um, I borrowed money. I was a patient for about eight, nine months, ran out of money to borrow and beg to be a student. And that's kind of what happened. I became a student and eventually decided that I didn't want to work in corporate America when I got well, because I think the whole thing was set up to keep people in that medical loop of owing money and being sick. Yadi (08:07): And, uh, if you get close enough to dying, you just want to be honest with people. You can't, you don't have the energy to lie or put on errors or be somebody else. So the only honest thing that I could do would be help people who ask me for help. And, um, I spent seven years in Chinatown before I quit. Cause I was making $10 an hour, the businesses, uh, a half a million a year, and I'm making $10 an hour. I went to go work for the, the, um, the Dean of, uh, Sydney college of Oriental medicine. I worked as a TA with no degree in acupuncture. I was with him for about five years. And then I moved here and couldn't find anyone to work under. So I opened this clinic. That's where her stories. Joi (08:53): Yeah. Joi. How about year? Let's hear about Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:56): You. That's awesome. Speaker 5 (08:58): Oh, wow. Um, my side of the story I put up, never orchestrated this myself any better. Um, I have always been interested in Asian medicine and health and healing, and I went through my own issues. Um, but interestingly enough, I went to live in Japan for a few years. And that is where I had my first Asian medicine experience. I had heard about Asian medicine in America, but it wasn't Japan when I experienced it for myself. And I brought my health issues from America to Japan. And in Japan, they did not like for you to take time off. They want you to be at work. Speaker 5 (09:44): If you have a problem that prevents you from going to work, they want to know what it is. So, uh, you know, I would be sick every month and they would ask me, yeah, they would ask me what's the problem. And then I said, you know, I have these issues every month, but I can't come in and we'll say, well, would you like to see, uh, a doctor? I said, yes, but I do not want to see a Western doctor. I'd rather see an herbalist. They took me to the herbalist and I explained my symptoms and they prescribed something called reishi mushroom. Everybody probably knows what that is by now in this country. But at the time I had never heard of it. And they gave me this hard crusty mushroom, and I was supposed to make a tea out of this. It was red. Yeah. It was red. And I said, what do I do here? I said, you know, take a hammer, break it up and make a tea, take a hammer. And I said, Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:40): You'll have to back up because now I really, I don't know what that is. So yeah, taking a hammer to break up a mushroom. That is a new concept for me. Speaker 5 (10:48): Well, really, she must remain as the hard Woodland mushrooms and then it grows, it grows very hard. So when it's dried, it gets even harder. And it's very much like wood it's artists to add to that. Um, racy in, in Chinese is called lynching and Ling means, um, soul or spirit almost. So in, um, in Asia for a long time, they believed in reincarnation. And they said, if you were good in this life, you reincarnate as mushroom. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:25): Oh, interesting. Okay. Speaker 5 (11:29): But it tasted bad really bad. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:32): Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I interrupted. So anyway, I kind of go back to that process. So you have it, you break it up with a hammer and then I guess you put it in a cup and make tea out of it. Speaker 5 (11:44): Yeah. You boil it and then you make the tea and strain that off and then drink it. And I was to do it twice a day and, uh, it tasted bad, but I followed the direction and it worked. It was the first time that anything natural for me had actually work. I was able to go to work without any problems. And they noticed, Oh, Joi. He must be feeling a lot better. Joi (12:12): How long, how long did it take for it to start working for you? Speaker 5 (12:16): About two months, it took about two cycles. Okay. So, um, you know, doing that and doing it and being dedicated to it was difficult, especially when you didn't exactly know what it was going to do, but I trust the process and I'm glad I did because I did see the results. So I continued to do that while I was there. And I was very happy with that method. So I stayed there for three years and then I came back to America and at the time reishi, it, it was just starting to become known, but I wasn't able to find that kind of hair here. So, you know, my health deteriorated again and it got to the point where I couldn't walk and I was only 37 years old and I was having hip arthritis. And that was very devastating, especially if you traveled and you've moved along everywhere and you walk really fast and you know, you're reduced to walking in pain with a cane. Speaker 5 (13:19): So I knew there was something that I needed to do or walked into the health food store. Cause I wanted to find something to try to start the process. You know, naturally he went again and I saw him, I'm a native of Charlotte. And he worked at the local health food store and I'd never seen him before. I said, okay, this is going to be interesting. So I walked up to him and I said, Hey, do you have Chinese bitters? And he kind of pauses for a minute. And he looked at me like, kind of strange, like there was this question and he said, no, what do you need it for? And you know, I told him, I, I told him all of my health issues and what I wanted to use him for. And this guy says, well, why don't you just do reishi mushroom? Joi (14:00): Wow. That's destiny. Yeah. Speaker 5 (14:06): But I knew when he knew what he was talking about. And through the second thing he said while we were talking was that he had been studying Chinese medicine year. And I thought to myself, does this guy look like we'd be able to study in 15 years, the beauty thing he looked so Joi (14:22): In meats Speaker 5 (14:25): And found out we had a lot in common, especially about Asian medicine. And I knew that, uh, I had met the right person. So he invited me to cheek on club, which was great. I had never had to, I've been in movement and dance for all my life. And I had never done that. So I went to cheek on class and I never stopped doing cheekbone after that. And then you explain to Roy - Feeding Fatty (14:52): Us, can you explain to us what a cheat dong is she quick she's gone. Yadi (14:59): Um, so she gone after China changed their politics. They created that word too long before that it probably would have been called like young sin or, uh, nourishing, nourishing health nourishing light, or a Dallion or the path within it's kind of a generic word. It's almost like saying a martial arts or saying, uh, health. And she goes, I'm going to be a lot of things, but when you standing and be breathing can be, uh, very physical. It can be meditation. It could be teaching could be many things, but it's abroad. Okay. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (15:44): I'm sorry, Joey. I didn't mean to interrupt you again, but I just, that's a term that I'm just unfamiliar with. So those, okay. Yadi (15:50): It was a great question that, especially in the seventies, you know, like with, with the Chinese, when you say words in English, uh, that's called whether you spell it out, it's called opinion. Right. And, uh, that's changed over the years. Like years ago you could order pay King duck, right. Pay King is now Beijing. Right? Right. So in the seventies, when she came here, they spelled it Chi K U N G like clean food cheap, but now they spell it with a Jew and the Cuban sounds like, sure. So if you see Q I G O N G she gone. Um, yeah. If that helps anybody I'm okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:31): Yeah. Go ahead. Joi. Sorry to interrupt Yadi (16:38): Problem. I think we were getting to like how Keith on the cheek. And I remember one time after class, or actually we were hanging out and I wasn't same age. So we, you know, we grew up in the same time period and somebody, all of the things that you did or, you know, similar music flows, you know, a lot of like, I always tell people like nowadays, um, like hip hop and rap music is big. It's, it's huge. And it's mainstream. When we grew up in the eighties, it was not mainstream. Like you had dance, music rock. We had house new. You had like this goal, which died, you had pop music, but rap was not a big thing. You know, now everybody wants to rap. And some of the people who rap are over 40, 50 years old. And I always tell people, if you saw the space shuttle crash, Oh gosh, you should stop rapping. Right. Speaker 6 (17:53): That's like save and close, you know, save and close that you think you'll fit into. You know, it's going to come back around. Well, if it comes back around again, you're too old to wear it, you know, Speaker 5 (18:06): Boom gone by that point. But, um, uh, yes, we were hanging out one night and I had a flare of arthritis and I couldn't walk, but I was trying not to show it to him because I didn't want him to worry about, you know, me not being able to walk, but of course he likes to walk fast. Uh he's from Chicago. So he's like, okay, what's wrong? And I told him, you know, I have, uh, hangs in my head too. It's a really nosy, you know, so he said, okay, we get to this little space in the park. And he said, why don't we do this? She goes, that he did not tell me it was an advanced sense. And that we were going to be doing this for a full 20 minutes. And we're, it's the summer night and it's really hot outside. So I'm doing this advanced, she gone that I have to hold my arms out. Speaker 5 (19:09): I had to control my breathing. I start sweating. And then I started feeling pain in my leg and I'm looking at her like, Oh, hate this. Why do I have to do the aspirin? Give me stop. No, just keep doing it. He was very calm. We were just doing it for the whole 20 minutes and the whole 20 minutes. I hated it. I hated him. I hated being there. And then finally the 20 minutes was over and I was so upset, but I got to walk. I went to walk and there was no pain wow. At home. And I didn't believe that that was actually true. So I tested it. I walked up Hills, I ran downhills. I walked in circles. Cause when I have put my Fridays, I would turn and I would try to shift quickly. And my hip joint would not move because of the plane, but I didn't have them. And I could walk around in circles and it was pain-free and it lasted for three whole days. Wow. No pain relievers, no medication for three days. And I was convinced that that was something that I needed to do continue school. That's how I got into what you do. Speaker 6 (20:23): It's true. Speaker 5 (20:26): You able to see me go from walking without a pain, to being able to walk as fast as you want. And it did not take very long in order to see that change. You've seen somebody standing in a horse stance and low in the stance they'll have their arms up in some kind of position. Right? Um, Yadi (20:48): Likewise, Speaker 5 (20:51): It Yadi (20:51): Was light that only arms were straight out and the fingers were kind of bent like this. And then there were certain movements in between. So it's a, it's a martial arts kind of stance. Um, and it was 20 minutes. Wow. It was long enough. 20 minutes is long enough for the kidneys to filter every drop of blood in your body. So if you do something for 20 minutes straight, if it's walking or if it's deep breathing or whatever, um, if you're excited for 20 minutes, that's enough time to change the way your blood chemistry looks under a microscope. Interesting. That's a big deal. Yeah. And so, you know, for, for people who want to learn anything, you want to learn yoga, you want to do walking or whatever it is you want to learn. She gone do it for 20 minutes. 20 minutes is probably a good cutoff. Um, because after that, that's when you go into the negative return cycle, like if you keep doing it after that, that's when you fatigue, that's when the pain comes. So it was good to do things in 20 minute cycles. Why you're a beginner, you know? But yeah. That when, when Jordan, um, you want to help somebody that's in pain. Right. And we just met and you know, we, um, I don't know. It's hard to look, uh, young and attractive when you're limping. You know what I mean? Like it's hard to be, Speaker 5 (22:13): Apparently I try. I tried. Um, but yeah, in the end he could tell, you know, cause he's used to movements, he's into body movement, body moves and, and you know, as a dancer, I understood that. And you're trying to hide that didn't work very long because then you start to see it in other parts of your body. So that's what he was thinking. Roy - Feeding Fatty (22:38): So now do, y'all just, uh, do y'all work mostly with people with, I would say like a physical ailment, like, you know, like a joint pain or something in that movement issue or is it, you know, because I think of like the, uh, uh, overeating and smoking and I think of all those types of things as well. Yadi (22:58): Well, yeah, it is a good question. Uh, Speaker 5 (23:02): Well we see a lot of different kinds of issues. Yadi (23:05): Asian medicine is holistic. So if the person has a movement problem, um, joints are connected to your liver and your gallbladder. If you have, if you're smoking, there's usually an emotional reason why, and there's a physical reason why, um, and that's more holistic how we deal with it. So, you know, there's the chemical part that you may be addicted to nicotine, but then there's the feeling you get when you take deep breaths, you can take long exhales. A lot of times people smoke because they don't get a chance to just take a deep breath and instantly excuse to let things go. Because these threats interesting, interesting times my Japanese teacher would say the same thing. She really likes smoking because she could relax and I never understood that, but it made a lot of sense. Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:54): Yeah. And you know, it's funny you bring that up because that's something that, um, it's something that has been pointed out for me in the past is the breathing part. And it's, uh, something I didn't even realize, but like, uh, you know, I did some martial arts training and uh, my sensei would, he would walk by me all the time and tap me on the shoulder and say, take a breath. You know, because I would just, I guess, get so tensed up doing that. And then another time it was a fun setting. We were out at a paint painting party where they have a lady instructor painting. And so you, she says get brushed one and paint green. And so I was following her instructions and she came by and tapped me on the shoulder and said the same thing, you know, and this was all in the same time period. Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:39): And she's like, this is fun. You can take a breath. It's all right. And I thought, you know how these other people could see that in me, you know, but I could not see it in myself. And so I, uh, you know, I actually had a, um, a list of things to do every day over my desk. And one of them was to breathe. Just a reminder that take those deep breaths. Because even if I'm not thinking about it, I feel, um, short breaths. I don't feel like I ever like and do that, but that's a good, um, I guess that's a good analogy for the smoking that I'd never thought about is people, you know, having that big release and that big exhale. Yadi (25:17): Oh yeah. Can we do something for fun? Is that All right? I'm glad you brought up breathing. Um, because this is an exercise that works really well for people who experienced anger, frustration. Um, and it's just something you can do with breathing. You don't have to deal with any body movements. Um, let's make it as realistic as possible. Find something that makes you angry. Roy - Feeding Fatty (25:46): Yeah. My internet connection. I don't have to look that far. I had some internet troubles this week and I like to throw my chair out the window and Terry stopped me from doing that like, Oh God. Yeah. Yadi (25:56): Yeah. Okay. So to be authentic, everyone let's do this together and find something that makes you upset and feel how your body responds to the feeling of being angry and being angry. Like, okay. So a lot of times you feel the tension in the chest, the throat will get a little tight. You might even feel heat in the cheats and under the eyes. Right? So I want you to remember how that felt when you thought of it. This is not hypnotism. This is just, she'd gone. We're going to take a breath in. And as you exhale, I want you to make a sound. The sound is shoo shoo, next time you do it. I want you to inhale. It was standing in front of a big green tree and you can see the green leaves. You inhale fresh air in the tree and then exhale the sound. One more time. You're standing in front of a tree, bright green leaves. You inhale. And then exit go back to the thing that made me angry. Well, back to what made you upset and think of it. See what your body is done. Roy - Feeding Fatty (27:11): Yeah, no reaction. Interesting. Yeah. Wow. Yadi (27:18): What if I told you what was going to happen, then it's hidden. It's hidden, right? I don't tell you naturally. So the problem is being angry. Isn't the problem. It's the problem that we hold on to anger. And then we take anger with us. Like it's helpful to us. Angry was just inspired to be angry when you're angry, but to be angry when you're not even angry, that's, that's resent mint. And that becomes dizzy. That becomes where you hold onto the tension or you waste all that, all that energy. Yeah. Sometimes we're taught that a physical ailment may have started as an emotional issue first. And a lot of times when you start to heal the physical, the emotional, then it come up and you have to deal with both at the same time. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:04): Yeah. There's a, there's a great saying that I heard years ago, it was like that being mad at somebody or holding on to some anger with somebody else it's like drinking poison and hoping that somebody else dies. You know, Yadi (28:20): That's a big thing. If you think about the word resent, it means sent twice. We sent. And a lot of times when somebody has cancer or somebody has a disease that's rotting and festering inside them, they carry. Even if they're the sweetest person to you, they carry that resentment, that anger, and it becomes a physical thing was now your body is constantly making that tension, constantly making that heat and constantly breathing shorter, as you mentioned. Interesting. Just something that might help people know. That's awesome. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:53): So let me just, uh, this may be too deep to get into, but maybe we can touch on it. But what about the, um, what about the overeating? I mean, it's like me, you know, every emotion elicits eating, you know, we, we talk about this all the time and it, you know, part of it is culture growing up in habits that, you know, you come home from school or from work and something bad happened and they're like, Oh, let's go get them. You know, let's go eat something, let's go get an ice cream. I'll make you feel better. Or you come home like, Hey, I just won first place and things are great. Awesome. Let's go get an ice cream to celebrate. You know, I was like, you know, you're sad. You're down and get tense, stress, all of that. But, um, anyway, I just love food and uh, I love food. It's a, it's a bad habit. It's, uh, you, I do it unconsciously, you know, sometimes I'll be doing it and think, ah, why am I even doing this? I should've thought about this before doing it. So any, uh, any little helpful tips or tricks for that? Yadi (29:55): Well, the simple answer, why do we overeat? Or what, what does it mean outside of, um, the, the chemicals that we like, you know, sugar makes you feel happy. Obviously you have sugar, um, in, in Oriental medicine, this stomach and the spleen organs are connected with elements of nature. Um, as is the liver. The liver is representative of anger and we connected with wood. The tree was the exercise in terms of food that's earth. So when things are out of control, what you want to do is have rounding and balance. You want to have stability, you want to be stable. So you eat things that make you more stable or make you feel more stable in stock. Okay. Interesting. If you think about it, um, when the pandemic hit, what did people do? They went and bought out everything from the grocery store, right? Yadi (30:53): Well, actually from food and a lot of friends who are trying to create that comfort and safety, usually what we go through first. And that's usually what, like you were saying, most of our special events, right? All that as a way of, uh, combat. So in clinic, we, um, we overeating is often seen as an excess of heat in the stomach. Um, and the stomach is warm. I mean, in, in the West, we know we have stomach acid in, in, uh, Asian medicine. They would call that stomach fire. Um, but what will happen is you'll get too much, uh, you'll have too much heat and it doesn't mean you're digesting. Well, it doesn't mean you have a good metabolism. It just means the fire is burning. The fire is burning and you in clinic, there are things that we would do to kind of reduce the buyer or, you know, disperse the buyer, not to put it out because you have to eat know, and there's nothing wrong with liking. Ooh, it's just moderation is key. Right. My teacher would say moderation, everything in moderation, including moderation. Roy - Feeding Fatty (32:11): Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the comfort issue, you know, that's a good point because, um, you know, something that I started years ago was that, uh, you know, kind of not eating like right before bed, I'd be like, uh, you know, leading, wanting something, whatever. But then it got to be, I think it was that comfort feeling like, like if I wasn't full, then I didn't feel like I could go lay down. And so that is one thing that I have noticed is that, you know, and the other thing too, I mean, you, you know, like somebody who's big, like me, I get a little hunger, you know, twinge and like, Oh my God, I got to stop and eat. And then, you know, you think through this, like, I don't know that that little hunger thing is probably going to kill me within the next three or four days. I can probably, you know, wait 20 minutes or an hour to eat a meal instead of getting that snack. So, uh, you know, I know a lot of this is self-awareness and then trying to stop yourself before, you know, taking that plunge. Yadi (33:11): It does take time to be able to find something that you can use to stop you from doing it. You don't replace something with nothing, right. It's not like, okay, we're going to get you to stop eating, just stop. Cause then you go back to what you were doing before. So a lot of the times, um, so, uh, just speaking from my own experience, like my, who was angry, um, I'm a small guy, I'm five 11, you know, I'm 155 pounds and I'm from the city of Michael Jordan. Like I like people are big in Chicago. Um, and I had to fight a lot when I was growing up and I had a chip on my shoulder, which, you know, as we talk about it, doesn't help you as you get older, it just becomes kind of like your problem. Now you have an, I you're just mad. Yadi (34:03): Um, so I would notice that when somebody would say something or I would interact with somebody, I always had this feeling of tension. And when I started doing Chico long exercise and it wasn't the commitment, um, I use the same energy that I would use to be angry, to do whatever with my anger, to talk crazy about you to go punch a punching bag, which I still do. Um, but I would use that energy to go, do she gone? No, I'm not saying she goes the thing. Sometimes it might be calligraphy or it might be, you know, uh, what was the, uh, like demean more in ghosts? Like if you go make pottery, right. But it's, it's, you have to replace one thing that makes you feel good with something else that makes you feel good. You don't just moving out. Like that's, that's like, just like, okay, that makes you feel good. That's the one time you get to be free. No, one's telling you where to be and what to do. And how, how much money are you going to make? What stop. Yeah. Yadi (35:05): Terry and I were talking earlier and I told her that I was a flight attendant and I, I remember I would always accurate flight go find five guys in Dallas international airport because they had the best price. And I always wondered why I wanted to do that after a flight. And I realized that, you know, as a flight attendant, you encounter a lot of people. It's very fast paced and it's very high stress and my stress would be through the roof. But there are certain things that you can't say you can't in front of people and you have to keep certain appearance while you're on a plane chain. Yadi (35:45): But I, I would go and kill a bag of five guys, French fries after the flight. And I, I started to realize that it was making me feel bad afterwards. And I was wondering, why am I always triggered to go do this after you're eating your anger? My frustration. So once I figured out that's what it was, I then had to start going through what I could do then like right there to distress so that I could perform my job, but also not depend on high cards in order to make myself relax. So that is what, uh, that's what I had to do. That's what I would find. One little thing. Yeah. I find little things breathing, maybe getting, um, nice water or something, taking a walk and help a lot. So if I had time in the terminal, I would take a few laps and that would really help. And that made a huge difference. Joi (36:47): What'd you say? Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:51): Yeah. The, uh, I think that's an awesome idea. That the cause that's why I was thinking about is maybe doing some breathing, maybe just drinking water. Uh, anyway, it give me something, cause I have tried to replace that a little bit more, you know, with getting to the gym, instead of sitting around here, you know, eating a popcorn or whatever, you know, get out and go for a walk or, you know, do something more productive Yadi (37:15): And expressing your feelings at the right time to the right person who also important. You don't want to hold in what it is that you're feeling. I mean, sometimes you need to find a way to tell whoever it is that you are experiencing. Um, I'm hungry [inaudible] Joi (37:35): Oh, Yadi (37:40): Um, because we mentioned that, that, uh, that, that hunger, a lot of times comes from heat and a fire. Uh, a simple technique that they do, this comes from the fasting and this is something you could do is very easy. Like you take a simple breath and then exhale, then click your teeth together. About 36 times with the mouth closed, when you do it, you'll generate saliva. And you just switch the saliva around in the mouth and swallow the saliva, which not only lubricates the Brode, but, um, that feeling of, um, being full sometimes diminishing, not saying this is going to work every time we try it. Right. Right. Um, sometimes I was going to say, Oh good, you have all types of things in your saliva that, that are energetic, like immunoglobulins things that your immune system needs, enzymes, even electrolytes are in your saliva. Um, and your teeth are extremely of your bones. So there's an electrical charge that's generated just from clicking with teeth, just like there is when you make impact when you run Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:04): So awesome. Because I, you know, I've heard a long time about the, uh, you know, how much breathing is important. I think y'all reinforce that with these other little tips and tricks that we can do to help disperse some of the anger anxiety, and, uh, you know, maybe think about replacing that, you know, that eat the, not the good, healthy eating, but that snacky type eating. So I know you guys need to get to an appointment. I know you've got something that's coming up. Cause we could actually probably talk to y'all for a couple more hours here. It's just so interesting. And um, you know, I'd love to have y'all, uh, back on the show, uh, to, you know, to go off into this, you know, some of these things a little bit more in depth, but we appreciate your time. Uh, so very much it's been such a pleasure meeting both of you and having this conversation, Yadi (39:54): You too, as well, enJoied it very much. It's fine. Have you pick a little bit of time and share it? Thanks for having us. We appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (40:02): If you don't mind, uh, before we let you go, first off, I'd like to ask both of y'all, uh, what is something that you do every day? And it could be an app, a program, a habit or ritual, what is something that you do every day that you couldn't do without, that really adds a lot of value to you? Yadi (40:22): Your life is. Um, and, and the great thing is to be able to, um, you know, send them a little good morning, you know, my daughter's grown up. Um, yeah, just being able to, uh, to communicate with family on social media is probably one of those things that like we didn't have before that. I, I think it would be hard to live with that. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to spend some time, whether it's five minutes to 30 minutes and silent, no cell phone, no computer. I wake up before everybody else so that I can have that mental space where I have quiet and it sets me up for the day because I, I, both of us are in a situation where we have a lot of people come and ask us a lot of questions and they're asking to help them. And then we deal with people outside, like our families that need help. And then you just need that time where you can get centered and get still. And if I don't do that, it's not a good day. That's awesome. Terry - Feeding Fatty (41:38): Oh yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (41:40): Uh, if one of y'all would tell us, so how can people, uh, well, first off, who is your client, uh, what you can do for them and then how people can reach out and get ahold of you. Yeah. Yadi (41:52): Well, if you're in Charlotte or if you're in the Carolinas, you're welcome to come to the clinic. We're close to the border of South Carolina in South park. Charlotte, we have Charlotte traditional healing located about five blocks away from South park. Um, the only mall with the valet that I've seen, um, also you can go to Charlottetraditionalhealing.com, uh, or where you can go to, she gone, qigongsaved.me if you're interested in learning a full set of exercises. Um, and we have, tele-health, we're really big into other things, which we haven't mentioned, but this is, um, yeah, this is how you get ahold of, or call called Joi. Don't send me messages like, Hey man, I got my movies helped me. Like I get, I get those at 3:00 AM. We help people all over the country and depending on the time, we can help people in different types of worldwide. Roy - Feeding Fatty (42:54): Awesome. Well, again, thank you both so much. We appreciate it. Uh, that's going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Of course, you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Uh, this interview, the audio and the video will both go up live. It'll probably be three to four weeks. We'll get that up. Uh, the, uh, also find us on social media, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and the video will also be on our YouTube channel. You can find the podcast on all the major platforms, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, and probably a dozen more. So reach out, give us a listen, should be sharing. Share sharing is caring. So share this with all of your friends, get them involved. We would love it. Visit us on our Facebook group. We'd love to start a discussion with, you know, with our listeners and see what we can do. If you're a professional that can help people with wellness and wellbeing, or if you have a great story, we're always looking for those. So reach out to either me or Terry. We'd love to get you on a future episode. So until then take care of yourself and take care of your family. This is Roy. Terry - Feeding Fatty (44:04): This is Terry Yadi, Joi. Thank you so much. We really appreciate your time and expertise and sharing all of this. 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FUN-ctionally Fit with Dai Manuel Dai Manuel is a super dad, dating his wife, with a lead by example way of living and a contagious personality, who is on a mission to positively impact one million role models around the globe to lead a FUN-ctionally fit life through education, encouragement, and community. He is an award-winning digital thought leader and author, Distinguished Toastmaster & keynote speaker, former partner and Chief Operating Officer of a multi-million dollar retail company, and a sought after lifestyle mentor and executive performance coach. Dai knows the struggle of the juggle and keeping his health and happiness a priority. He models his work based on 5 F’s: Fitness, Family, Faith, and Finances with an overarching roof of FUN, built on a rock-solid foundation of Health. Nuggets of wisdom and inspiration to take action to be your best self are guaranteed when you connect with Dai! www.daimanuel.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty I'm Roy I'm Terry. So we are the podcasts that, uh, you know, we like to Chronicle my journey and Terry is my support mechanisms. So we'd like to bring you talk about our different challenges, successes, and things that we've learned along the way through getting healthy weight loss. And, uh, we also bring, uh, have guests that have awesome stories to tell professionals in the field that can give us some actionable items. So today, without further ado, let's introduce our guests. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:36): Okay. We are very happy to have Dai Manuel. He is a super dad dating his wife and currently doing life with his family around the globe. He is also an award winning digital thought leader and author executive performance coach and certified lifestyle mentor who empowers people to lead a functional functionally fit life through education, encouragement, and community day. Welcome to the show. Dai (01:08): Well, thank you very much, Terry and Roy was a nice little introduction. I was like, wow. I think I might've almost [inaudible]. Yeah. Thanks so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. We appreciate that. Yeah. Oh man. Well, you know what, uh, I just keep thinking about the title of your podcast, right? Eating fatty and I, it's such a great name and, uh, it brings back lots of memories for me. I'll tell you that, because I think we can all relate to that. We've all had periods in life where we fall out of health. When we're in that space, it certainly feels like we're just feeling bad and I've lived in that space. So I know it very well. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:54): You know, we kicked it around Terry when we started this, Terry's like, we really need to Chronicle this because there not only is it for our mock accountability, but there are other people out there with the struggle as well. And we were kicking around names and I just jokingly threw that out there. And she's like, that's it that's right. Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:11): Like healthy lifestyle fitness at for you. What works Roy - Feeding Fatty (02:16): Part of that? I think the is that, um, no matter how healthy I may get, hopefully to get in the future is that, you know, I always have to be careful because I think once you, you know, it's like being a diabetic, once you've been fat, you could get that way again, very easy if you don't watch yourself. And so that's, the other thing is too, is that, you know, we can do a lot of stuff to get healthy, but it's trying to do it in a manner that we can do it for a long time Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:44): Lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. Dai (02:48): Well, you know, it's all about sustainability, right? Lifestyle. I mean, it's the lifestyle we're always looking for that thing where we just don't even have to think about it anymore. We just live into it. Yeah. I think that's the thing that we're all aiming. Right. Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:00): Right. So can you tell us a little bit about your history, where you, how you got to where you are now and what's going on? Dai (03:09): Sure. Well, I mean, thank you for asking that. I think we all have a, I'm a big Marvel fan or a comic book fan, and I always like the origin stories. Right, right. You know, just keeping to the theme of your podcast. Uh, I w even though I'm someone that's been, I've actually worked, I've had a career in the wellness and health industries now for 26 years, 26 years, my entire adult life, I've worked in the fitness and the wellness spaces in various capacities obviously. And, uh, I love it. It's a, it's a big part of, of what I just love to do. I love to empower people with change and I didn't come to that naturally though. You know, like I think a lot of people, especially in the fitness space, uh, a lot of people tend to be athletes where people that have a very natural lifestyle, that's embraced athleticism, you know, like they'd just been active their entire life. Dai (03:59): And I love that. I think it's inspiring, but I am not that person. I came from the opposite end. And this is where I find another contingency within the wellness industry where it's people that have are not working in it because they themselves have already had this massive shift or transformation and awakening where really they just prioritize their health and made some changes. And I'm from that camp, uh, I was morbidly obese as a teenager. So from the age of nine to 14, well, listen, it wasn't rocket science. Uh, you know, that got me there. In fact, it was just really simple. Uh, I ate a lot of foods that were very poor and nutrition value yet rich in calories. And I did that frequently. Uh, and also I, I had a lifestyle that was, well, let's just put it this way. The majority of my time free time was spent watching movies or playing video games, you know, and compound that day in day out for a period of about five years. Dai (05:00): Well, yeah, I didn't grow up. I grew out and I, I can laugh about it now, but to be honest and fully transparent with you, you know, at that age, I was battling depression, a lot of anxiety, a lot of just self doubt and, uh, you know, a lot of the, and I hate to use the word cliche because today, you know, when we hear obesity or even the term morbid obesity, it is like regular in our vernacular now. Right. Can't help it look on the feeds. And we see these words coming up, you look at the world health organization talking about this global pandemic outside of COVID, but I mean, it's an issue before COVID was this issue of just the rise in people's weight and, and the increase of health complications as it was then, you know, back then childhood obesity, wasn't even something that you would put together. I was one of two kids in my class that was in that state of unhealth, you know, and, and so it was very alienating and, uh, and to be fair, you know, I think I alienated myself more than others were alienating me if you know what I mean. I wasn't good in social settings. That's where it started. So, sorry, go ahead. Roy - Feeding Fatty (06:15): No, no, I was just going to say, you know, that is, uh, it's such a tough age and I, I gotta hand it to you that you overcame it even, uh, because that, uh, unfortunately those, um, the ridicule, the self down, everything kids go through at that time period, sometimes it leads to even worse troubles as adults. So I think, uh, congratulations that, you know, you were able to work yourself out of that. That's amazing because I I'm the opposite. I was skinny as a kid, like to the skinny, to the point of my grandparents would be like, Oh my God, you've got to eat something. You know, we need you to eat because I was just very thin, but, you know, I beefed up through high school and athletics and then, uh, you know, put my weight on as an adult. So I, luckily I've never been chastised too much. So I can't even imagine what you must have gone through, you know, as, as a, that age group. Dai (07:09): Yeah. I mean, children are mean most of the time, but I was gonna say, teens can be cruel, you know, like it's, it's really, uh, and, and so, you know, I had a few friends, um, but even then, you know, if we were hanging out, it wasn't like we were playing, we were playing video games or watching movies or eating junk in the races. I had that, that body type, because I'd been doing that for so long. I have a body type that it is fairly easy for me to put on weight. It just, it is, I can, but I mean, it works to my advantage as well, because as soon as the flip switched, you know, uh, yeah, right. I flipped the switch happened and I made that shift. Right. I, it, it worked my advantage because, uh, when I, especially when I got into weight training and more resistance type training, I, I saw myself develop much more musculature, you know, so developing muscle mass, uh, but it also changed how I fueled myself, you know, so I started eating different foods and foods that were more in alignment with the lifestyle that I wanted, the way I want it to feel. Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:19): Was there a catalyst for that change that something happened? Did it, how did that, how did that come about? Dai (08:26): Well, you know, up, up until the day that the catalyst, you know, like there, there was that moment where, and I think we hear about this often, you know, when people really reach that point where there really is no other option, but to embrace change and really become very proactive in our own lives to facilitate the change. You know, we realize that we've got to do something different than we've been doing to get different results. Otherwise, you know, Einstein said it best, right. You're doing the same thing, expecting Speaker 4 (08:56): Different results. Uh, so leading up to that, you know, Dai (08:59): My parents were great. Uh, they were very, very supportive. Um, my I, my parents separated when I was nine, which is interesting, you know, at that time and years later, you know, putting it all together with some supportive of, of a counselor and psychologist, you know, I, I went through a period about 11 years ago where I just needed to start focusing inward, you know, really focusing on my own mental health and my own issues and, uh, dealing with the old trauma. And what I realized, you know, is I had a lot of unsettled stuff okay. From, from that period of my life. And a lot of that I carried forward in later years. So it would always come up and I won't get into that so much right now, unless there's time. But what, back in those days, you know, I, uh, my parents were very supportive from the standpoint. Dai (09:45): They saw that I was hurting, you know, and they saw that I was in pain. They saw that was unhappy. They just wanted to make their son feel better. And they wanted them to happy, you know, healthy and happy. So they would often come and try to encourage me or invite me to try things like, how about we get your, or, you know, it's, uh, I mean, we seek out a nutritionist, we try to eat a little bit differently or, you know, can we get your gym membership? Like just little asides, you know? And, and I know they were coming from a place of love, but I'll tell you when you're in that place of hurt and you're already have a lot of self doubt. And, you know, if I ever saw my reflection, I would instantly, you know, just become very angry. Yeah. You know, upset at myself. Dai (10:28): And so here they are coming to try to help me, but I took it as an attack. Yeah. You know, and, and this is why I like to bring this up, because I think a lot of us can relate to this. We feel this at times in life, where those that love us and care for us, they come to us wanting to support. They make suggestions and make recommendations. They offer it up and they take it as if they're saying we're not enough. Right. You know, we're not good enough. We need to change. And that's how I took it then. So, you know, I would push back. I would act out and, uh, I could be mean at times, you know, just really not happy. And so over these years, you know, they, they basically just let me be, you know, try to support me as best they could. Dai (11:12): And, uh, but I had to come to grips with myself, you know, that, Oh my goodness, if I'm not happy where I am, I'm going to have to take ownership of this and make some changes, but it didn't come to that by accident. You know, I remember being at my father's place one weekend and, uh, I used to have this hack, you know, if I, if I got in the shower, cause I really had, didn't like seeing my reflection. I mean, there's very few pictures of me, of that period in my life because I would avoid social settings. I would avoid cameras. I just, no, you don't know. I mean, I used to forge my mom's signature on notes. I didn't have to do for Zen class. Cause that meant I'd have to change in the changing with a bunch of other kids, no way I'm taking shirt off. Dai (11:54): And so my life was highly compromised that way. And uh, I got really good at it. And one of my hacks was I'd have to get in the shower, turn on the water, really, really hot, get it super steamy in there, stay in there and actually long time. So when I get out here will be covered in condensation, all fogged up. I wouldn't have to look at myself toweling off this morning. My dad was rushing me cause he didn't have to get my brother and I somewhere and we could have been going bowling. I don't even know what it was, but it was mid morning. And he's just, he's like I was going to, I'm going to have a shower saying, okay, well you got hurry and you know, he's knocking on the door and it's like, come on, we gotta go. And uh, so I rushed it that you remember coming out of the shower and um, talent off and I can see my profile in the mirror and I turn and I lock eyes and I'm filled with anger with hate discussed and uh, I just lose it and uncontrollable sobbing, you know? Dai (12:47): And uh, I felt overwhelmed with emotions, just like, how is this me? Right. You know, like you're looking at yourself, but it's like, you don't know yourself, recognize you don't recognize who you've become. Wow. Yeah. And it's as, I mean I'm 14 at this time. And there was like, Oh my gosh, my limited scope in life at that period in time, my limited perspective on life, it felt really hard. Right. You know, it was really hard just acknowledging that this is me. And, uh, I started having thoughts and it, you know, at periods of time throughout those years, I mean, I would entertain the idea of like life would probably just easier for wasn't living. You know, it wouldn't be easier. My parents would be easier on me, like not having to deal with all this, but it never really felt like a true option. Dai (13:31): So as much as I entertain the idea, I never acted on it. And uh, this, that morning, it was like, that's not really an option, even though it was still there. You know, that idea just to be so much easier because it wasn't easy way around, but I didn't want to do that to my parents. And I didn't want to do myself. I didn't want him to live. And uh, but I wanted to like living. Right. And uh, so I've found myself realizing I was at a fork in the road. You know, it was like, because you know, after 14 I had had five years and I was like, man, things weren't trending in a good direction. So I was aware enough to realize that, you know, for the next five years I keep doing what I'm doing. I don't think it's gonna be better than it is right now. Dai (14:10): In fact, I, I, I admit it will probably be worse. So that's to the right. Well, here's this path to the left. That is completely unknown to me. It's still scary because I don't know what to do or what to expect, but maybe if I do something that's a little bit differently, maybe I can change. Maybe I can get healthy because I want to be healthy. I want to be happy. I want to like who I am. So I came into that bathroom with this conviction, you know, eyes, all bloodshot from crying. And then I approached my dad after I got dressed and I'm like, I want to get healthy. Then I don't want to be this way. And he must've realized, you know, you got to strike the animal. It's Speaker 4 (14:49): Hot. Cause, cause Dai (14:52): He had the awareness and I'm so grateful for this. But you know, within a matter of days he took me to buy a mountain bike. I said, I want a bike. You know, I want a bike because that way I didn't have to be in a Republic to work out because that was not an option. I'm not going to a gym or any of that stuff, no way, but a bike I could manage, I could ride a bike. I used to like riding a bike as a kid. And so it was like, I couldn't get a bike and it took me to get a bike. And uh, that literally after that weekend I just started cycling every day I had, I borrowed my dad's am or, well, I guess it was an am FM. You remember the Sony wall in the yellow ones? Dai (15:29): I think many of us have had those, you know, I'm totally dating myself, but I, I, I borrowed it and it was great because it had the automatic flip on it. Right. We would always play one side and then flip the other side. So I had to, on one side I had one of my favorite Canadian bands, tragically hip. And then on the other side I had an Alison chains and I knew that I would just start writing when the hip stopped plan and it flipped over. And I started hearing Alison change time to turn around and go home. Speaker 5 (15:55): And Dai (15:55): So it wasn't a matter of a distance. I just did it based on the music. So it was, it was about an hour, you know, I'd be out cycling and, uh, and it was hard. I'll admit it, it was really hard because I was really ashamed. I mean, I'd gone up a flight of stairs. I had to be out of breath and get a little bit of a glow on because I'd start sweating and uh, you know, just everything was compounded, right. When you're unhealthy, when you're feeling, not fit. Right. Not healthy, not, well, it just makes the usual minor things in life feels so much more like major things in life, you know, like when more difficult, uh, that's definitely the place I was in. And so that was it. I just committed to that. And I went to the library and got books out on fitness nutrition, and my kids still laugh. They're like, why don't you just Google it then? And I'm like, I'm old, I'm older Speaker 5 (16:41): Page. Dai (16:43): Yeah. And it's funny. Right. And so I educated myself. Right. And I just trusted that, Hey, other people have done this and other people who've lost weight. My mom was a big fan of Richard Simmons and then was swept into the eighties. I remember her putting on the old VHS tapes and just giving her and, uh, I used to, and I feel bad, but it was, I used to make fun of her because I'd be like, well, you know, it's just so funny. Right. And, uh, but it was awesome because, you know, she was role modeling me that, you know, you could do something at home just basic and here's this guy, but he sent him to edit an inspiring story. And then he would always show the clips on his shows, right. Or the infomercials of the people that lost all this weight. And so it was like, people can lose weight, people can change. Dai (17:23): So why can't I? And so I just trusted the process and I was consistent and I want to take that away. You know, it's like I was consistent with how I fuel myself, nourish myself. I was also very consistent with how I moved my body. And I started to feel a difference, you know, feel a change within just a matter of a month. Things started to just get better. And, uh, I CA I maintain that for after 20 months. Uh, I realized, you know, without even really think that I, I just had this new lifestyle, but also I'd become quite fit and you can quite healthy. And a lot of the psychological and emotional benefits of that also started to manifest, you know, I had more confidence in myself. I all of a sudden started to hang out with certain people. And also one of the biggest extrinsic motivators for me was I just wanted a girlfriend. Dai (18:14): I'm being completely honest. I, I did. I wanted, like, I mean, the underlying thing was, I just wanted someone to want me. Right. Yeah. I mean, that really was it. And, uh, and so I had a girlfriend as well and mean, you know, so life just was like, wow, this is amazing. And, and, and just to close out on this, what was super interesting, and this is really what was my catalyst for, for committing to this path as a life, you know, not just the lifestyle, but this is what I do for life. You know, like for, for, not only my vocation, but it's just, I love doing it. I mean, if I didn't get paid to do it, I'd still do it. You know, because when I started, that's how it was, I wasn't getting paid. I was just doing it for fun and for free, because I just wanted to help people. Dai (18:54): But at 17 friends of my parents would come around the house, you know, and I often, I was just thinking to come and say hi to my mom, you know, or, or whatever. And they come in, they say, I don't know. And then they pulled me aside and be like, Hey Dan, can I ask you a few questions? And cause they'd seen this transformation, this change that I'd had. Right. And so they would come and pick my brain. They would ask about fitness, they'd ask about nutrition. They would say what they were doing, what they wanted to achieve. And I was like, you care what I have to say? Like, you're, you're asking, are you sure you want to ask me, you were asking me this. And that was a first time in my life, you know, 17 years of life where I felt like people actually cared about what I had to say, but I also felt I had value to offer. And it felt so good to help people. And, uh, and that's what got me excited about coaching and mentorship and just helping people with transformations and, you know, fast forward now, 44 years old, I'm still doing it, but that's sort of where it started, you know, Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:48): Incredible that you were able to, to, to act on that at that age. I mean, kudos to you, my goodness. What a, what a hard, hard road. Dai (20:00): Well, I want people to know it was not easy, but, but big changes rarely are easy. I mean, it's easy to get started and it's challenging to sustain it, but one thing for certain it's always worth it. Yeah. It's always worth it. You know? So it's like any challenge or obstacle we overcome when you look back on it. Yeah. When you're going through it, it's hard, right? Like you're, you're surrounded by it. You're engulfed in it. You, you can't see anything else, but the challenge and the obstacle, but as soon as you get through it on the other side and you turn around and look back and it's like, is that all it was, you know, it's amazing how our perspective changes so quickly, as soon as we get through that challenging bit. And, uh, and, uh, so I have to remind myself of that. And I have at number of periods of my life where other challenges popped up, it was a nice lesson to learn that early on life because I realize change is possible, you know? And I can be, Roy - Feeding Fatty (20:52): Yeah, I'll just say again, it goes along what we were talking about. Uh, you know, pre-show about the, um, that, that coin I have, that the obstacle is the way that sometimes, you know, and the other thing that's kind of important about that is that, uh, know there's a place here called the great sand dunes. And if you climb up to the top of the first one, you can see like, then there's another and another and another. And I think that's another important thing to remember, you know, in, in not only in wellness, but in life is that we never reached the top of the mountain. I mean, it's always, there's always another Hill and we always have to keep working and keep climbing. I think as long as we can resign ourselves to this fact that we're, we always need to grow reevaluate and, uh, you know, in order to make those positive changes. But another thing, what I was going to ask you about was on the nutrition side, you know, you talked about getting the bike and getting out there every day and exercising, but did you make some big, uh, nutritional changes as well? Dai (21:53): You know, the nutritional, well, I mean, they were big, but not insurmountable. I think there's a difference there, you know what I'm saying, big shift. It was because, you know, my mom and just to give you a little bit more context to how life was at that time, uh, you know, my parents separated and we'd see our dad every other weekend. He had a, a business that he was still building, you know, and, and, and he, he, he just had a wonderful work ethic as well. And, uh, and at that time, you know, I kind of resented his work schedule and the fact that he worked so much, um, but it was later on in life. I realized that I actually didn't hire at a ton. And, and I modeled a lot of his work ethic and my mom had a similar work ethic. And at that time, after my dad had left and got his own place, and my mum was looking after my brother and I, uh, full full-time, she's also working full time, as well as going back to school to get her master's and, and so her life. Dai (22:49): And then on top of that, she's trying to, to find a potential next mate, you know, next life partner. And so she was busy, you know, like really busy. And so my brother and I would tend to have a fair bit of time to ourselves, you know, especially as we got over the age of 10 and we'd have more autonomy. And, and it was just based on, uh, circumstances. And, uh, so my mum would often buy foods that were quick to produce quick to cook, you know, easy for my brother and I, and that that'd be like pizza pockets, a little, the little McCain, pizzas. I mean, Costco, uh, one of the things I used to eat a lot of was a, you know, those muffin trays at Costco, right? Those are not Moffitt's, I'm sorry. They're little cakes. Dai (23:38): Oh. And they were like 1500 calories. Like, I didn't understand what calories, but once I educated myself and understood how food works, like macronutrients, calories, just really foundational stuff. As it relates to nutrition, not super complicated stuff, like I'm not going to get into like the Krebs cycle and how creatine works and how our muscles produce lactic acid. And that all came later. I just wanted to understand the fundamentals. And as soon as I understood that, and I understood how to read labels, right. Everything started to change. And I started asking myself, okay, well, it's really hard to find foods without sugar. I was like, Holy smokes. Cause you know, sugar wasn't vilified back then, like it is now, right. I mean, back then it was really fat was vilified, right. That was during that whole time to remember during the eighties, and even during the nineties, they were like fads bad for you. Don't eat fat Speaker 4 (24:27): Heart attack. It's funny. Now what's one of the most Dai (24:30): Popular diets out there. The keto diet, we're just pretty much right. Speaker 4 (24:34): All fine, Dai (24:37): Which don't get me started. There's a whole nother conversation there, but, but with the basics, I just started eat more whole foods. I took an interest in actually starting to prepare meals for our family because my mom would come home. You don't want to be after six, by the time she got home, I have to work. And I'd already been home for a few hours. I had this new passion for getting healthy and I took it upon myself to take a lot of wrong ingredients and start making meals, you know, I didn't have a, a large breadth of meals, but I got really good at making a couple of studios. And Chili's, you know, especially, you know, Ontario in the winter, it's cold, you want warm food. So I got really good at making that kind of stuff and you know, less things out of boxes, more things that were whole food unprocessed. And that was really the gist of it. And I cut sugar out and started drinking lots of water. Like that's it, you know, that along with the fitness, you know, just moving my body every day with a little bit of purpose. And when I say with purpose, it's like, I'm moving my body to elicit a positive response, such as get a bit of a globe. You know, as my wife says, I don't sweat. I glisten, Speaker 4 (25:42): I sweat. Okay. I sweat a lot and I love it. And, uh, Dai (25:49): So that's what I would look for. Just sweat a little bit every day and, and watch what I eat. Good things are gonna happen. And to be honest though, at the start, it was really a big, big, big change, right? So you get the headaches, you get the, you know, there's a little lethargy, like there's your, body's like rebelling because five years of doing the thing a certain way and trying to change it overnight, obviously there's pushback. And just physically, especially, you know, also psychologically and emotionally, I mean, there's lots of stuff happening, but I trusted that it would get better. And the thing that really helped me shift, like go from, okay, this is a good idea. I think it might work. This may work. It might, it might work to the point where it's like, this is working and I'm doing this and I love it and I'm going to keep doing it. And that was about three and a half weeks in. Speaker 4 (26:36): You reminded Dai (26:36): Me of this. When you, you mentioned the dunes because this was concession street, uh, road, I would, which is sort of, it was the border of our town, right. There's always those little roads that are sort of at the very outskirt and it's sort of that barrier that everybody would refer to. And, and I live just off of it. So I I'd cycle up it in, and there was this Hill and I say it Hill because that's really what it is. But to me at that time, it was Everest. Okay. It was a big Hill and here I am, this obese kid on his bike riding up to this Hill and I'm like, Oh my God. I said, big Hill. You know, I don't know if I can do this. And, and I just remember trying and get into about a third of the way up. Dai (27:14): And it was just like, I'm not moving like floating right now. And all of a sudden, and inside, I was like, Oh, I should just turn angled, go back. I mean, I obviously can't do this. You know? Um, I just failed that very first till I came to you, can't do this. Like, what am I thinking? But then, you know, I'm getting off the bike. I know what's at the top of the Hill. I know it flattens out and I know where it goes. So I just walked my gut and I did. And then I got back to cycling again, you know, listening to my, my tape and just going about my day and every day I'd come back to that Hill. It was about three and a half weeks in. I ascended the top without getting off the bike to the top, you know, and three and a half weeks. Dai (27:58): And, and when I got to the top of that Hill, my mountain, you know, it was like, Oh my gosh, I did that. I did that. And because you know, the number on the scale, wasn't changing a lot, my belt size, wasn't changing a lot, like certain metrics numbers, like, you know, how the fitness industry works and that's, I got a love, hate relationship with it because we're so quick to quantify things, right. How much should we, you know, what's your dress size? How fast can you run a mile? How many pushups can you do? Like w w we quantify things so quickly, and I want to qualify things I want to look at, how do things actually affect our life? You know, the emotional connection to the things of why we do what we do, especially when it comes to lifestyle change. And so when I got to the top of that mountain, that Hill, I was like, I did this. Dai (28:47): And my belief in myself was like, highest it's ever, ever been. And at that moment, I knew like this is happening. This is working because I'm doing it, you know? And, uh, that was it. That was my turning point. I, in Canada, we have a network called TSM, which is these sports network. You know, it's like the ESPN in the States. And, uh, we have a TSN turning point. This is always the highlights where they showed the games. And in those show where, you know, it's that moment in a game where things just switch and you know, that the team that's losing all of a sudden, Whoa, they make a play, they score. And now the energy shifts and they ended up winning. Right. And I called that moment in my life at TSN turning point. That was it. So, so yeah, that's, that's sort of in a nutshell, you know, Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:31): Well, that's a couple of cool things, but number one is you, you unknowingly at the time, but you had a measure. So you, you know, you started the Hill third of the way, but you were able to work your way up, which kind of brings up a couple, uh, a couple math equations to think about. And one of the biggest for me was thinking about, okay, how fast does it take to eat a calorie, versus how quick does it take you to burn one off? And this is, you know, cause a lot of people like I'm gonna, I'm gonna continue to, um, I'm gonna continue eating this way, but I'm going to go out and walk or jog or do this or do that, but not make a nutritional change. And then they, they like, well, I can't make it. It's not nothing's happening for me. Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:19): And so I know the, the numbers that I've gotten is like 3,500 calories equals a pound. So basically if everything is an equilibrium and you're where you need to be, you're eating your 2000 calories and life is good. You're holding. If you eat 3,500 extra calories that week, you will gain one pound in, you know, somewhere in there. I'm sure it's approximate. But so if you think about how much like me, I think about my little package of m&ms and a package of chips, I don't even know what they are. Probably, you know, five, six, 700 extra calories right there that it took me about five minutes to consume. And then last night I walked 45 minutes on a treadmill, pretty decent pace, a little bit of incline. You know, I was like a hundred and I didn't put my weight in. So it was probably judging me off of a little slider built person. But anyway, I burned, you know, about 145 calories. So if we just stop and think for a minute, it's M you know, sometimes it's input and output. It's like, what are we putting in our mouth? And how are we burning that off through the day? It's a huge awakening or can be, it was for me anyway. Dai (31:39): Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, I think you're spot on with that realization because it's true, right? Like, it doesn't take much to, especially when we're looking at certain types of foods and there's a lot of content out in the world now that talks about not all calories are equal. Right. You know, and yes and no, uh, there's truth to that. And it's true. Like, you eat a calorie of sugar, you need a calorie of, of spinach, your body treats it very differently, very directly to get that calories. Spinach might be a cup of spinach in volume where we're talking about less than the Cuba sugar. Right? Exactly. It's very different. And also that composition in spinach, it's mainly fiber. Right. And we already know fiber doesn't get processed by your body. So, and this is the neat thing about the keto diet, right? Like they talk about different types of carbohydrates and you know, there's some that are basically net zero, you know, you could eat the calories, but you actually end up, it's like eating celery, right? Dai (32:43): Yeah. You burn more calories than what the calories are provided in celery, because mainly just water and fiber, your body doesn't process it, but we need fiber too. And, uh, but so that's a great realization though, because when you start putting in that perspective, it's like, okay, well I could have this, but that could be 300 burpees. I always tell people, you should do it in your car. If you'd make it. Burberry's he's not walking. You really look at it different. Cause I used to do that with some of my clients and I'll be like, it's okay. Treat every burpee, like one calorie. So you want an extra a hundred calories today. It's okay. Do it. But you got to do an extra, a hundred burpees when you work out and be like, okay, it ain't worth that. Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:24): There's a, there's another, another concept in finance, it's compounding, you know, which is kind of the Genesis for, you know, a lot of the financial calculations and how, you know, again, that was a huge awakening for me. Uh, you know, as a young person to figure all that out. But, uh, there's a good book called the slight edge and I think everybody should read it. And it basically it's this compounding factor is that had you gone out and re written your bike one day and threw it in the garage, you would never gotten up to the top of the Hill, or if you had to read it one day and then six months later taking it back out. And so it's that compounding effect of riding that bike every day or eating the right combination. And, you know, we always say, we're not doctors, please seek medical attention, you know, to get your diet straightened out, get a dietician, whatever you need to do. Roy - Feeding Fatty (34:23): But let's just say, you know, if you eat right multiple days in a row, the compounding effect is unbelievable versus, you know, like I go through those spells, like, Ooh, I'm really eating right today and I'm going to the gym. And then tomorrow is like, what's that pizza guys deliver? You know, what's that pizza number again, or we can call up. So I think that, you know, that consistency factor that you talked about compounding, however you want to talk about it. It's important. It's important in a lot of aspects of life, but also when we're talking about getting healthy. Dai (34:58): Yes. So about, you know, one of my favorite books complementary to that book is the compound effect. And that was one that really opened my eyes, Slack, the whole concept, right? Like as much as we all love compound interest compounding the negative in our life, not so good. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (35:19): Not looking at it that way too is, uh, you know, like last night, if I'm in the gym walking for 45 minutes, I'm not at home sitting on the couch eating for 45 minutes. So it's like a double, it's a double good too it's as well, but it's really smart. The other thing is motivation me. Uh, you know, we were talking, me and Terry were talking a little bit last night or this morning, like I have had a few days out of the gym, got back in it, you know? And I, it just, it lifts me so much in so many ways. I feel better physically, mentally. I mean, today I've been like so alert and, uh, you know, a lot of good creative thoughts, but it's not the part is the problem is not the gym. It's the distance between, you know, my chair at my desk and, and the gym front door, if I can ever, if I can conquer that distance. Um, yeah, I'm awesome. But it's, I just have to be honest and say, you know, I have trouble conquering that. Dai (36:23): Hmm. You're not alone at all. You know, I think we can all relate very much to what you just shared. And I often will say, you know, motivation's great, but it's, we're often looking for things outside of us to motivate us, to move where I like to kind of flip it a little bit and say, well, what would inspire you to move? You know, what would be that internal connection that would just get you fired up every time? So you go from like, I really need to go to the gym or I have to go to the gym today to, you know, what I get to go to the gym today. It was bring an awesome, you know, it now it's not easy if it was, I just give you like, Oh yeah, here's the formula, you know, that checks in the mail, you know? Dai (37:12): Uh, but it's, it's not so simple cause it's, it is a little bit of reflecting, but also taking some time to actually ask ourselves, well, what is the life I want to be living five years from now, 10 years from now, how about 20 years from now? You know, what is that lifestyle? What are the things I want to be able to do and do without thinking about it? Yeah. And often in some of the most basic things, like I remember a few years back, my mom going on a bus trip with my, or sorry, a bus tour in Scotland with my stepdad, you know? And, uh, my mom is battled with her weight, most of her life. And so, and she's also, now that's my arthritis in her knees and that's from a past car accident. So, you know, there's not much we can do with that. Dai (38:02): So there is certain things, but, you know, adding the extra weight on top of the arthritic knees or ankle, it compounds things in a very unhelpful way. And, but I remember thinking when she was talking about it, like there was a lot of times where they would get off the bus at various places and she'd have to be required to walk, but she wouldn't be able to. Yeah. And, and it is such a basic thing that we take for granted is just her ability to be mobile right now to move to care for ourselves. And so it's being that honest with oneself and recognizing, okay, well, this is how much I've changed in the last 10 years. You know, if you look back 10 years ago, where were you at health wise then? And where are you now? And now it's like forward setting. And he was like, okay, well on the 10, 20 years of the habits and the lifestyle that I'm living now, do I envision myself being able to continue to live the quality of life that I want to. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (38:56): Yeah. And I think that that's Dai (38:58): Always worked well for me, you know, I was getting very clear on that. Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:01): Yeah. And I think the compounding factor is something that I think about with that as well, is that, you know, getting to my age, it's like the, you know, poor behaviors going forward are going to be compounded to the point of, like you said, just, you know, is it shorten your life? Is it, uh, make you less mobile where you just can't enjoy it? And you know, like, uh, uh, do you have type two diabetes? So I'm always trying to keep that under control. And I was reading, um, some, um, you know, the top 10 causes of death came across the internet the other day. So diabetes is like number seven, but then, um, you know, like number nine is renal failure. And then, you know, the footnote that this is mostly caused by, uh, diabetes. So, you know, it's like, it's, uh, it, it basically ranks number seven and number on number nine on the top 10. Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:57): So, you know, these are important things because, uh, not only can they kill you, shorten your life, but I think that they can debilitate you into, uh, to a place that nobody really wants to go live. So, so many, so many important factors, especially the older we get, we just, and you know, it would have been awesome. Had I been thinking about this more 10, 20 years ago, but you know, we are where we are. So now I have to think about, um, I have to redouble that effort because I, you know, I want to, I don't want my, uh, I don't want my lifespan to outlive my health span. Dai (40:37): Yes. Right. Yeah. And very well said, you know, and I agree. I mean, I think it really comes down to just wanting to over simplify it, please. Like those that are listening. I know it's not always easy, but it'll always be worth it. I know that for a fact, after being through periods of unhealth in my own life, numerous times, and sometimes because of my own volition, sometimes not, you know, I was just, I mean, I was diagnosed with an autoimmune, like a chronic auto immune disease, a number, but eight years ago, and that rocked my world, you know, it did cause leading up to that, I mean, when they're doing all those tests and the bone marrow biopsies, I mean, they thought I had leukemia, you know, there's a lot of fear there. And I was like, how did that happen? How did that happen? Dai (41:28): And, and, you know, it came back eventually that was not immune diseases. It's still pretty serious. But fortunately for me, based on lifestyle choices, I can mitigate a lot of the sentence. I can lead a life that's very high in quality, you know? And I, I'm very optimistic that I'm going to get the quantity too, you know, in the years and, and the experiences, but I've definitely had to, to shift some of my lifestyle habits based on that appearing in my life. So sort of what you're sharing about type two diabetes, you know, when we have these, these health, everyone call them issues, but they're, there, there really are just these moments, right. Where we're presented with health challenges. And sometimes they come based on lifestyle choices and sometimes they just happen. Right. Yeah. We don't absolutely know what was the trigger. Like I like to think, man, I was living in a pretty healthy, active life. I eat really well, you know, like I manage stress. Okay. At least even not as well as I could have 10 years ago, but much better now. And, you know, so I, I'm very aware and I think it's that mindfulness that, that awareness that we have of just repercussions of some of our actions being present. Yeah. Knowing, knowing what's going on right at the moment. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we all are aware aren't we like did to some level we're aware of what we're doing, but yeah. It's really tough. Roy - Feeding Fatty (43:00): A good point about, you know, about getting sick. And, um, I think about like athletes is that, you know, you see these guys on the, uh, only American football field. Let's take those guys. You know, they get hit hard, a lot of fallen. Now, if I was out there and somebody hit me that hard or fell down, you know, that'd be the end of me, but because they're in such awesome shape, they are able to take a lot of that punishment. And so I think we can translate that to, into, uh, to our bodies. Our health is that if we have a healthy body, if we're eating right and we're doing everything we need to do, where we are able to fight some things off better, um, than if we were unhealthy. And then we were able to survive through some of those things that we really don't have a choice, you know, that may, uh, afflict us in some way, but we are much able to navigate through that if we are healthy and in good shape. So just something else. I think we, you know, always good to keep in mind. Dai (44:04): It's so true. And actually that reminded me, you know, the doctors, I remember my hematologist, especially like she figures I've had this probably most of my life. Um, it's just because of my lifestyle choices and the way I just live my life. It really masked any of the symptoms from ever appearing, you know, and even if they were there, but I started putting things two and two together because I would get sick or I would get a cut or a bruise and it would take a long time to heal, you know? And like, I get like the flu and I'd be out for almost two weeks sometimes. And it was just like, why don't I just take off? And when I do, Oh my do I get sick? And my wife used to bug me all the time. Right. Because before we knew about the condition and she'd be like, get in the bed, man, like just a man called [inaudible]. Dai (44:58): But no, when she went and then, you know, it was funny after the diagnosis came down and she's like, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that this was going on. And, and, uh, but it was interesting, right? Like, I mean, being someone that also was in the fitness equipment industry for 17 years, uh, I used to deal with a lot of people that would come in to buy equipment for their homes or for their facilities, but specifically in the homes. And very often you get people coming in and be like, Oh, what brings you into today? You know, you look for some strengths and cardio what's up. And uh, well, my doctor sent me it's you could tell they didn't want to be there, not there because the doctor said, you got to go do this. You're going to die. Right. And they come in, they buy the equipment, they have the best of intentions to use it. And then they go, yup. I mean, this is the cliche, right. We go on like the Craigslist, the marketplaces, and look into equipment. And it's like, you're lucky if you find a picture of just the product without clothes on it. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (46:00): Yeah. I mean, I've had a few of those. Yeah. I've seen those background pictures of the, you know, take a Christmas picture. And then in the background, you see the, a treadmill with all the laundry hanging on the side of it. Yeah. Dai (46:12): Yes. And I used to hate that about the industry, you know, that, that, that cliche was even existing, you know, that we would, people joke about it. They come in and are like, Oh, I'm going to buy this, but I'll probably just end up as a coat hanger. I'm like, what are you talking about? You just told me that your doctor said you're going to die. Like what is going on here? And it just makes me wonder, you know, like that was something that used to really eat at me, you know? Cause I want to help people. I want them to feel empowered that they can make the changes that they want to make. And so it used to frustrate me. It made me feel sad and, and make me question a lot of time, what am I doing? You know? Cause I didn't feel I could really support them in the change. Dai (46:58): Right. Some new equipment. And then, you know, you do some follow ups here and there to see other doing, but often they wouldn't never reply because they feel guilty to reply because they did admit that they weren't using it. So it wasn't, it was rarely a pleasant followup where I'd get a message. Oh, we're loving it. It's great. Yeah. I've lost 20 pounds every once in a while we get that. But it wasn't the average, it wasn't the majority. Right. You know? And, and uh, so that led, that was also fueling me for making some big changes. Just my career, because I was like, I just didn't feel like I was really making a dent. Terry - Feeding Fatty (47:35): Yeah. That's what I was going to ask was how do you Tran how'd you transition out of selling the equipment to what you're doing now? Dai (47:46): Well, for me it was this, I wanted to help people by just giving them information, just really providing info and, and you know, people take it or leave it. It didn't matter to me. I just wanted to share. And it was fortunately for me, like when I started blogging about 13, 14 years ago, like I just started putting content up and I was sort of inspired because I had read Gary Vaynerchuks first printing of crush it. Do you guys remember crushing it? I didn't read that. Or if this is like back when he still had like wine library, right? Like his old YouTube channel and before Gary Vaynerchuk was, you know, dominated the internet. And uh, but I remember reading that because I used to do a lot of marketing for my past company. And, uh, I'd be responsible with helping with some of the purchases of our media buys and we're buying TV. Dai (48:34): We were buying print Brian radio and you know, we'd spend the same amount of money every year. And I was like, man, we're not getting the same return here. We'd be scratching around what is going on here. And it's like, wow, this thing called the internet and the Google. Maybe it's a good thing. We take a look at that. And, and, and so we did, and then I read Gary Vaynerchuks book and I was like, wow, this guy's onto something. This makes so much sense. So I started really embracing social media and I started blogging just to create content, to share it with people because I thought that would compliment what I was doing on the fitness equipment side. Yeah. You know, it was like, here's a, but I also got some great articles. I got some programs, I got some free information that will support you with this equipment that you're buying. Dai (49:13): And so that was started the intention behind it. But then I realized, you know, not everybody has access to equipment. Not everybody has the means to have equipment in their home. And so I started to just change some of my belief systems around, you know, I used to be a gym rat, you know, I had one in the gym. That was my main thing. I'd go to the gym. I work out and I was like, well, that's what everybody should do. You know, again, this is in my twenties, right. Approaching my thirties. I was still in that mindset. Like, this is the solution, this is the best option. And for everybody, they need this. And as they say, I drank the Kool-Aid and I drank a lot of it and I was trying to serve it to anybody that was thirsty. Right. And, uh, and so I started just talking about the body as a piece of equipment calisthenics, right. Dai (49:58): They just body weight based moons, because then there really is no excuse. I mean, you got enough room to put a towel on the floor. You will get amazing workout and that space, like you can get a park outside your door. That's a gym, you know, there's really no excuse you, you, you travel, you, you hang out in a hotel every once in a while because you're traveling lot. No problem. That room, you can do this between the two beds, you know, like, and I started creating a lot of content that really supported that for people. And, uh, w which created a major riff, uh, in my, uh, company, because, you know, I had a lot of staff at that time. I also had a partner that was the CEO and, uh, my personal brand started to, to grow the business. And, uh, he's like dying. Dai (50:50): I remember one of my articles went viral on Reddit and crashed my site a couple of times. Cause I wasn't prepared for that kind of a spike. And, uh, and it was like 99 workouts you can do without equipment got shared all over the place. And uh, I remember all the staff as well as like my partner at the time, he was like, you gotta put us out of business. What are you doing? You are a mean, yeah, we, we were one of the top fitness equipment retailers in North America, you know, and here we are, the main guy, he was like, I was just the face of the company. So I'd often do the media stuff and all that. And uh, there him saying you don't need equipment. But the funny thing was, it actually increases it increased sales because it increased our brand recognition, also increase trust in our marketplace. Dai (51:40): People realized I was more motivated to help people just get well than I was to sell money. Right. And, uh, so that sort of fed into my desire to eventually leave. Cause I was just like, you know, this, this isn't a fit anymore. And not feeling like I'm making a big enough shift in people's lives here. And, uh, you know, as operator opportunities started to grow based on some of the things I was doing outside of work realized we had the options. But more than that, my wife had a desire for us to be a full-time family to travel while the kids still thought we were cool. Dai (52:14): And you know, that Terry door closes pretty quick. Yeah. And, uh, so yeah, I, I left a career 17 years and sorta just embraced a little bit of the unknown and I trusted that we'll figure it out. And, uh, I had written a book at the same time, as I was saying, sign an art to that career. And, and so at the same time it was published me. I quit my job. My wife quit her as a month later, a couple months after that, we took the kids out of school and gave away all our stuff, packed up what we decided to keep in her SUV and just started traveling and started chasing the sun. We drove down to like California and all around the States and back up to Canada in the summer drive around there and back to the States and then eventually made our ways overseas. And then we ended up in Bali and we lived there for over two years coming back to Vancouver. And, uh, uh, just, just before COVID, uh, we came back because our kids wanted to finish high school here in Vancouver. How exciting. So the last six years have been a bit of a ride. I'll tell you that, you know, Roy - Feeding Fatty (53:11): Well, we thank you so much for taking time out of your day. You know, one question I always like to ask is, so do you have a tool? I mean, it could be an app program or ritual habit, uh, you know, whatever that you feel really adds value to your wellness journey and that, um, you just couldn't live without every day. Dai (53:34): Oh, well, there's a couple habits. I know I've been really, really powerful just in my life. Um, a couple of which is just moving my body everyday with purpose for a minimum of 15 minutes, right? Like just a minimum, just 15 minutes. I mean, it's not very much tiny, right? Everyone's got at least 15 minutes that they can just dedicate to just moving their body. Right. And, uh, and hopefully creating a little bit of a sway. So you get a little bit of a positive effect. Uh, also meditation. And I encourage people minimum five minutes a day, and also feeding our mind now minimum 10 minutes a day, feed your mind with something positive. Maybe it's a Ted talk. Maybe it's a great podcast, right. Maybe it's just reading a great book or listening to a book like, and if you put those three things together, that's 30 minutes. Dai (54:26): That's 2% of every 24 hours. Wow. And that's it. I mean, that's the minimum. I encourage people, I guess people will say, is that all I got to do? I go, it's the least you deserve. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's the least anybody just like, you deserve to love yourself enough to give yourself at least 30 minutes a day, right. For your body, your mind and your spirit. And then I say, and I say, if you start to see some, some good things happening and you want to do more things lean into that, don't fight that don't think I'm only going to do three, like lean into it, do what you feel inspired or drawn to do, because all it takes is a little bit of the positive momentum to start to kick in. And it's amazing how that can just pick up speed and it'll open your eyes to a lot of things. And, uh, uh, I do have a five day sugar detox. It's just a free program on my website as well as a 28 day program. That's also free it models. My book gives people, the workouts gives them the full program. No hidden agenda here. It's just, I just keep giving all that stuff back. Dai (55:29): Make sure we get that out there. No, let me just do this real quick. [inaudible] but uh, I give it away for free my publisher. Doesn't like, there's been a giveaway, the digital copy for free, uh, in the program basically for free on my website. So Hey, if you want to buy it on Amazon or, you know, at Barnes and noble or whatever, Hey, feel free to plug, but, uh, it is free on the website. So why don't you tell us, tell us Roy - Feeding Fatty (55:58): Website so people can go over there and we'll be sure and include all that in the show notes, but tell people how they can find you. And if they want to reach out and get ahold of you, how is the best way to do that? Dai (56:09): Oh, thanks. Right. Yeah. It's pretty simple. Actually. It's the one advantage, you know, as you were asking me, Terry at the beginning, you know, before we started this interview, my name is pretty unique. Uh, Dai Manuel Dai, and then Manuel, I mean, U E L a, it's a sh slash Portuguese name. So a bit of a mix, as I said, everybody I'm Canadian, but if you go to diamond, weil.com, you'll find all sorts of stuff. And, uh, I, I do say like for those that are listening to this, if it's spring 2021, you will be seeing a new website very soon, which is a lot more user friendly. Uh, but there's over 1500 articles and resources out there that are all accessible. They're geared to help people get more of the life and help them get out of their own way to really lean into being their happiest, healthiest self. Dai (56:55): And, uh, so I always invite people just, Hey, have at it. And if you want to have a conversation, reach out to me on Facebook or Instagram, cause that's the easiest way and I'm most active on those channels, but, uh, that's it, you know, like I just want to acknowledge you too though. I think is, is, uh, one very brave to, to just be vulnerable and share your journey, uh, as it relates to living healthier, more active and making these changes. And I think it's, it's very inspiring as well to, to see you sharing your story, but also highlighting other people's journeys there, their tips or tricks or strategies. And I just think it's really, really cool. And, uh, I also, I do like the name so fantastic. So I just wanted to acknowledge you too. It's been an honor to be here too. Roy - Feeding Fatty (57:38): Well, thanks so much. We appreciate it. And it's, you know, we get, we get to meet a lot of great people like yourself and we get to, you know, bless our listeners with, uh, you know, not only your personal story, but your profession as well. So thank you so much for, uh, sharing with us. We appreciate it. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (57:55): Yeah. You've been very inspiring. It's been an honor to listen to your story and I'm so glad that you were able to share that with us today. Dai (58:04): Thank you, Terry. And thank you, Ryan. It's very kind of you to say again, it's a, it's a bit of a love Fest happening, right? [inaudible] you guys are awesome though. And I really appreciate, I mean, of course, if I can be of any help, please know that I'm always here and that goes for anybody out there. And uh, I, I take that offer not lightly. It's very serious. And I would say like, I'm, I'm just here to help. So reach out anytime. Terry - Feeding Fatty (58:27): And it's more of that on your website. I recommend to everybody go and check them out. It's it's well worth it. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (58:37): All right guys. Well, that's going to do it for us on this episode. Again, we appreciate our listeners as well. Uh, you can find us of course, at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Uh, we will have the, um, the audio component and the video component up there as well. We are on all the major platforms, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, Stitcher, Spotify, and a lot more out there. Of course, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, always there, and we'll have the copy of the video will be up on YouTube as well. So go out there, take a look, take a listen. If you have a good story over your own, don't hesitate to reach out to either myself or Terry. We'd love to hear from you and hopefully we can get you on the show soon. So until next time that's going to be it for us. Thanks so much. Terry - Feeding Fatty (59:27): Thank you. Appreciate it. www.feedingfatty.com
John's Amazing Transformation with John Kovaleski Hello! My name is John Kovaleski. I am a Type 2 Diabetic and a Certified Nutrition Specialist. My health and fitness journey began the summer of 2007 when I found myself waking up from a coma brought on by extremely elevated blood glucose levels. I had been leading a life where I put no thought into what I ate or how I took care of my body. At 40 years old, 6’2, 405 lbs, I should have known better, especially with a family history that is riddled with all kinds of red flags. I simply thought those things couldn’t happen to me. In 2008 my mother passed away from Diabetes complications. The last few years of her life she struggled through losing a leg, going partially blind, and kidney failure. In 2010 I lost my father to a stroke, which was no surprise due to years of heart related issues. In between my parent’s deaths, I also lost two dear friends who were close to my age. These reminders of my own mortality would become the catalyst that formed my mission, to reverse my Type 2 Diabetes and to help others do the same. It has become my obsession to inspire people to be better, make educated choices, develop habits that will lead to a healthier lifestyle, and to do so with a holistic approach. T2 Nutrition, while having been inspired by one of the world’s biggest health problems, Type 2 Diabetes, is about creating lasting change in people from all walks of life with a variety of disordered eating scenarios. Our approach focuses on finding the why, as much as the how, when it comes to an individual’s eating habits. In doing so we shine a light on behaviors that can be changed to improve the fundamental quality of our client’s lives through proper nutrition. www.t2nutritionandwellness.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy I'm Terry. So, you know, we, our show that, uh, we want to bring you our journey, my journey, uh, through, uh, you know, weight loss, getting healthy, getting diabetes under control, high blood pressure, you know, all of those things that affect us. Once we start the aging process a little bit, as well as, uh, maybe not paying as close attention to our, uh, diet and exercise routine or activity, not necessarily exercise, but just being moving. So we also have guests on from time to time. And, uh, uh, the gentleman we have today is got an awesome story to tell it is John Coleville Leschi. He is with, uh, T to nutrition and wellness. And John, thanks for taking time out of your day and welcome to the show. John (00:58): Well, thank you for having me. It's an honor to be here. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:01): You bet. And, uh, you know, usually I do a little bit longer of an introduction, but I think your story it's, uh, it's very profound and, uh, you know, we've talked a little bit pre-show, I would rather you tell it and, you know, make it more personal than me. Just kind of reading it off of a piece of paper. So with that, we'll just turn it over to you and say, um, you know, tell us a little bit about your story, how you found yourself here and we'll go from there. John (01:28): Absolutely. Well, um, my story is like a lot of people that I work with on a daily basis, um, started back in the summer of 2007. At that point in time, I worked as an automotive mechanic and my day started just like any other. I was just your normal average, although a little bit bigger. Um, American husband, you know, I went to work every day, got done work. I came home was so sliced with family, played. The kids did all that kind of stuff. But on this particular day, I went to work in my pickup truck, but I wound up leaving work in an ambulance. Um, I had just come back from lunch and I was doing an alignment on a vehicle and I was underneath the vehicle making adjustments and whatnot. And I fell into a diabetic coma about a half hour later. Um, my coworkers came back, found me laying back there, rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. John (02:26): Um, but I got there. My blood sugar was well over 500, which very easily could have killed me. Wow. Um, and I had no idea what I weighed or anything at that point in time. Um, you know, I just was one of those people that I, what I want to eat. I didn't exercise. I didn't, you know, didn't much care. And I figured, well, you know, when it's my time, it's my time. And I should have been smarter. Um, my family history is riddled with heart disease, cancer, diabetes, all these different things. And you would think that I would have been smarter, but I wasn't. It was just like a lot of people just kind of going about day-to-day life, being oblivious as to, you know, what we're putting in our bodies. And, um, I woke up from my bad, bad coma and the doctor looked at me and he said, you know, you are at the very least the type two diabetic, it's possible that you are type one. John (03:19): We're not sure yet. Um, but one thing I do know is if you continue down the path that you're going down, you're probably going to be dead within a year. Wow. At that point in time, it was like, um, yeah, big wake up call. And I was like, okay, well, uh, yeah, well, that's not happening. So playtime's over it's time to go to work. And immediately the next day when I got into the hospital, it was like, I started checking into going to see doctors getting on medication. But the best thing that happened to me was when I went to see an endocrinologist and I spent like 45 minutes working with a dietician in his office when she started to explain to me how different nutrients work within the body and how manipulating those macro and micro nutrients can affect our blood sugar levels. It lit a fire on me and I was absolutely fascinated. John (04:17): So now back in 2007, the internet, wasn't the resource that it is today. Um, you know, I had to spend a lot of time in a library, reading books and things of that nature. Whereas if it would have been fast forward to now, I would have been able to just get on the internet on YouTube and learn everything I need to learn. Right. Um, so it was a long process, but over the course of the next, well, I'm going to say six years, I changed a lot of eating habits. Um, we're still on diabetic medicine, but I had lost a fair amount of weight. I had, I had lost about 60 to 80 pounds somewhere in that area. Um, but I still wasn't as healthy as I wanted to be. I still smoke at that point in time, I smoked two packs of cigarettes a day for 30 years. John (05:04): Wow. Um, and I decided when I quit smoking that I was going to make a change and I was driving by a gym one day and I was like, you know what, I'm going to stop. Ms. Stopped. And I checked out the gym and I wound up joining and everything just kind of blossomed from there. I fell in love with fitness, with lifting weights. And then once I got myself to the point where I was off all my diabetic medicine and didn't need to go see a doctor on a regular basis anymore, I was like, you know what? I want to help other people do this. And I want to make things easier for them. I don't want people to have to struggle. Like I did going into all that. When once I found out I was type two diabetic. So that's pretty much the story in another nutshell, as far as my main issue. Terry - Feeding Fatty (05:54): So prior to you, um, being carted off by the ambulance, you hadn't been diagnosed with diabetes? John (06:02): No. Nope. Hadn't been diagnosed. I didn't go see the doctor. Um, you know, I just, I, to me, I felt normal. I did everything that, you know, all my friends around me did, you know, I was, I went, I worked 60, 70 hours a week. Um, you know, I had an active family life. I had an active social life. Um, I got out of doors and did things and everything else. So I didn't think there was anything wrong. Terry - Feeding Fatty (06:28): Wow. So that was just like a machine gun, wake up call right there. I mean, bam. Now you got it. John (06:34): Oh yeah, absolutely. And, and, you know, when I tell people that story, it it's, they try to connect the dots and, and try to figure out how this process happened. And what I've actually done is I've actually put together this picture that I'm going to show you guys, which actually kind of visually documents the journey. Now on the left, immediate left, I was, that was me at 405 pounds. Um, the picture in the middle was the day I joined that gym. I was like, okay, I'm going to take a before picture. And then at my leanest, uh, was that picture there in 2019, where 249 pounds. And I was running about 11% body fat at that point in time. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:16): Wow. That is amazing. Well, yeah. And I think your story is not unlike so many of ours. Uh, you know, I don't know if we learn it in our teenage years or early twenties, but we have this eating pattern. And then, uh, as our activity level slows down, it's like our eating levels don't or maybe they even pick up a little bit and then, you know, um, I am very much and have walked the same path is that one day you just wake up and, uh, you know, I found myself heavy, even though looking in a mirror, it's like, well, you know, you're heavy, but you don't feel like it. But then you wake up with, uh, you know, it's a little harder to move and then you go to the doctor and, you know, you get that, uh, diabetic, diabetic diagnosis and wonder, you know, what to do, where to start. And so, um, I guess that's kinda the next question is, uh, you know, you started doing this research and, uh, where did, where did you start? John (08:17): The first thing I did was I, the very first thing was I cut out the glutton. I knew that it was, it didn't take a rocket scientist to see that I was just eating way too much. Once I took the time to actually examine what it is that I was eating. You know, I looked at, um, like two days after I got out of the hospital, I, I wrote down everything that I ate. Um, I started my morning stopping off at the store and I got a, a quart of chocolate milk, a little six or eight pack of chocolate donuts. Um, in six big slams of mountain dude, the one liter bottles of mountain Dew. Now I got all that and hopped in my truck, driving to work. By the time I got to work, the chocolate milk and the donuts were gone. And by lunch time, all of that mountain dude was going to wow. John (09:06): Then for lunch, my typical lunch was a large pizza, two big Macs and alerts, vanilla milkshake. That's what I would eat every day for lunch. Oh my gosh. And then dinner was whatever, take out my wife and I, both my wife at the time, her and I both lead, lead really hectic lifestyles. So it was like, we were never cooking. It was always take out this, that or the other. So whoever grabbed takeout, that's what we ate that night. And once I wrote it down and then I started looking at the macro and micro nutrient content, it was, it was like, okay, this is one of the biggest problems right here. I'm just eating entirely too much. I don't need to eat. So cutting out the gluttony was the first big step that I took in order to start to get my situation under control. John (10:00): And then it was just fine tuning things from there. Um, I cut out a lot of stuff right from the beginning, which is something that a lot of people do when they start a weight loss journey. They're like, okay, we're going to take all of this stuff out. Um, you know, and I'm just going to eat way less than I should. It's just one of the biggest problems that people have today. Um, and then I started putting things back in slowly but surely until finally I, I dialed in something that worked for me for a while up until like the, the, that middle picture there in 2013, I had had a relatively significant weight loss, but I still was not in shape. Um, I read an article that was explaining how the more lean muscle tissue you have, the better your body is situated to metabolize the nutrients that you take in. And I was already a big guy anyway, I'd always had been. So I was like, you know what? That was what that was, what prompted me to join the gym, joined the gym immediately started seeing results. At that point in time, I was, I don't know, mid forties, early to mid forties. And it's like, I could, I was seeing results that guys in their twenties and thirties seen, I was losing body fat. I was picking up muscle mass. So that became my new addiction rather than food. And I just it's been nonstop ever since. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:29): Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. You know, that's important to that building that muscle mass because it's, you know, I like to walk, but when we do a little bit of weightlifting and you can speak more to that, it's like we, uh, we build that muscle mass and then we, uh, those muscles are able to help us burn fat, you know, all through the day, not just when we're actually pumping the weight. John (11:54): Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, there's a process in the body called the adaptive thermal Genesis and long story short. The, the more muscle costs much more to maintain in fact, does that doesn't cost you a thing. You don't burn a single calorie to maintain fat. That's just thing. Yeah. But to maintain muscle mass, you have to make sure that you're getting adequate protein. You have to make sure that you're doing all these things, because if you're, if you're not getting proper nutrients, your body is actually going to break down that muscle tissue, because it is easier to break down and utilize for energy than what fat is. That's why muscle burns faster than that. Roy - Feeding Fatty (12:41): So you said that, you know, when you got to the hospital, they S they, your glucose was over 500. So what, how, what was the, uh, I guess the path, or how long did it take you to get that down to a manageable level? I mean, I'm still feel like, you know, there's medication involved to a certain point, John (13:02): Right? Right. Absolutely. I, it took me about four months to get it to where it was manageable. It still wasn't where it needed to be, but it's like I had an A1C test done, um, roughly about two weeks after I got out of the hospital. And I think that A1C came back at like 11.6, which is super hot. Right. Um, inside of four or five months, I had it down to like 8.4 and then it was just slowly but surely working, working its way down. The, the biggest catalyst to be quite honest with you was when I joined the gym, I mean, I had done well up until that point, but then it was like when I joined a gym, what it was doing to my body, the exercise that I was doing, and I didn't start off going in there and lifting a bunch of heavy weight at all. I went in there just doing machines, doing range of motion exercises and, and focusing on cardio. And the transformation that I saw happened from that point in time, it was just phenomenal. It was like, it was like dumping gasoline on that fire. Roy - Feeding Fatty (14:15): Oh, wow. Yeah. You know, that's kinda what our plan is. We, uh, you know, we go to the gym, we like to walk and do, uh, you know, the cardio there, but we also do the weights, not, uh, you know, on a heavy scale, but more like you said, for range of motion, it just makes me feel better to have a little resistance. And then also some of them, you know, kind of stretch me out. So it's a twofold, but it, you know, one thing I see in my struggle and, you know, I'm kind of up and down the scale with the, uh, you know, on the blood sugar, but that, uh, not only does the, just the carrying the weight, because I'm still overweight, I can eat right. Watch my carbs in my sugar and still have a high glucose reading. I just, you know, there's sometimes it's just hard to manage that, but then that little exercise component of getting out and walk in, uh, the different side it makes from before and after it's significant. Terry - Feeding Fatty (15:15): I can tell a huge difference whenever after you do that. I mean, if you go out and have a walk, you know, you're watching everything you eat, but if you go out and have a walk and come back, there's a huge difference. Yeah. John (15:27): Yeah. Let's see something else that you'll notice a lot too, is, um, people that have problems regulating their blood sugar. Um, like when they go to the gym, I still do this today. I checked my sugar a couple of times a day and my blood sugars are under control, but I still check it because I want to know as I get older, I mean, I'm two weeks from my 54th birthday right now. And, you know, as I get older, I want to monitor and pay attention to how my body's changing. So it's like I can shake, I can check my blood sugar, um, a half hour before I go to the gym and it might be one Oh eight or one Oh nine. But once I get done working out, I can check my blood sugar in the locker room. And my blood sugar is one 41 60 C. John (16:12): What people don't realize is when you're expending energy, when you're doing exercise, your body is breaking down glucose, breaking down glucose to get the ATP, which is the energy currency that the body uses in the muscles and everywhere else. So basically what winds up happening is all of this stored glucose, which is the storage form of glucose in your muscles is called glycogen. When it's released into the bloodstream to be used for energy, it runs your blood sugar levels. So people have a tendency to Mister through that, as it being a bad thing. And it's really not. Yeah. Um, glucose when it's broken down acts much, much differently than what fat does. And then that's what people, you know, when you're, when you're on your journey and you get to the point where you're really doing any sort of strenuous exercise in the gym and whatnot, these are all things that you need to make sure that you're clear on. Um, when you're losing body fat for every gram of stored fat, you have in your body, you store three grams of water. So if you're losing fat, it's very, very easy to become dehydrated. That's why hydration is so important. All of these little idiosyncrasies that go into the process when people are expanding on their journey. Roy - Feeding Fatty (17:29): Yeah. And that's interesting. I've never, um, I've never taken it before I went to the gym and after, uh, you know, a good workout, but I'm going to definitely give that a try and, and see, see what that is. That's, uh, uh, I mean, I guess when you think about it, it's a pretty intuitive, but again, you don't really, uh, put the two and two together about how it releases that glucose into your system like that. John (17:56): Exactly. Roy - Feeding Fatty (17:57): So, um, you, you know, once you've kind of, uh, dialed yourself in, or you focus in a little on reducing the carbs or, uh, I guess, you know, now that you're, you know, you've lost a lot of way you're working out a lot. It's probably not as important as it was, but let's go back in time to, um, you know, those first four or five months after you're losing, where you limiting carbs to a certain amount or kind of what was your diet like then? John (18:31): Um, I was, I was limiting carbs at that point in time. I was not aware of the difference between simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates. That part I didn't get to, to, uh, later on in my journey. So I was limiting carbs and sugar overall. Um, then actually I ran across a ketogenic protocol and I have run that off and on for a number of years, I don't do it all the time. Like some people do, um, I'll do it for maybe three months and then I'll go back to eating regularly. And the reason I do that is, um, I don't want to restrict my carbohydrates so much that as I get older, my body doesn't realize how to handle them anymore. Right. Right. So I'll run a protocol for, you know, 12 weeks of eating ketogenic, and then I'll shift gears and I'll go back to eating more of a metabolic style where I'm eating three or 400 grams of carbs a day, depending on my training load. But that's spread out over six minutes. I don't eat large amounts of carbs at any one setting. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (19:45): Yeah. That's another thing that I've noticed, uh, you know, with myself is it doesn't matter what the number is, but whatever your carbs, if you, you can have those over a day. But if you, if you tend to pile them all up into one meal, you know, I still get the big, uh, the big spike. Whereas if I tried to limit them and spread those out over the day, much better in managing the, uh, you know, my glucose levels, but I was going to get you to drop back for just a minute. You mentioned the simple versus the complex. Can you just give us a quick explanation of the difference? John (20:21): Okay. In layman's terms, think of carbohydrates as stacks of bricks. Okay. Um, if you've got it, if you're, let's say you're a karate student and you're trying to break stacks of bricks, a simple carbohydrate is like two bricks. A complex carbohydrates is like four bucks. So it takes a lot more to break apart and distribute those four bricks than it does to take the two. Okay. So what winds up happening is, and this is where a lot of people make their mistake. When they're dealing with carbohydrates and fat loss, when you spike your blood sugar, when you spike your insulin, when your insulin spikes that burning stops will not burn any sort of body fat whatsoever when your insulin has spiked. And when your carb load is high, here's the double-edged sword about that. If you have more carbohydrates floating through your body than what you need, if there's too much in your bloodstream, if your muscles can't store anymore, and then your body only has one option, it sends it to the liver. John (21:33): The liver puts it through a process called lipogenesis and it turns it to body fat. So not only do you have the spike of insulin, which cuts off that burden, you're actually storing more fat by spike in your cars. So that's where you have to be very, very careful about using the simple carbohydrates, that two bricks scenario versus the complex, which is more, it takes much longer to digest them. It takes longer to burn them down. And most of your complex carbohydrates are things that also come with some sort of fiber sweet potatoes, Brown rice, King wall, things like that. Those are complex carbohydrates. You still get the carbohydrate content that you need, but it doesn't have the effect on your insulin and your blood sugar overall. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (22:22): And that's the other thing I don't think that he, people, um, really understand in depth is just all the body functions that are affected when you have the higher glucose levels. And, you know, you mentioned the liver, but you know, people, and I, you know, I'm very surprised that, um, the recovery that you've had, especially being such a heavy smoker, because I've heard, uh, you know, I've just heard horror stories about people who had the high blood sugar and were smokers on top of that. Like, uh, you know, losing toes and all kinds of things like that. So I think just, uh, you know, it's a good reminder to everybody out there that, uh, high blood sugar is not it's, it's a very, very, uh, deadly, deadly thing. And because it affects so many parts of our body. John (23:17): Absolutely. You need, when you sit back and you look, yeah. I tell people all the time and the ketogenic craze and the, and the carnivores phase and all that different stuff, it has got people to the point that they're villainizing carbohydrates, carbohydrates are not bad, right? Carbohydrates are not evil. What they are is dangerous. If you don't pay attention to them, if you eat too many of them, they, they can cause you issues. If you eat too much protein, if you eat too much fat, you can eliminate that. You're going to eliminate that in store. You're going to eliminate that in urine. You cannot eliminate carbohydrates. It either gets burned for energy, or it gets stored as fat. Those are the only two options the body has. So it is the one that you need to pay the most attention to. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:07): Yeah. And I think it's like, anything else just, uh, coming in and saying, you know, well, let me just say our approach that we have taken has been more that balanced. And so you kind of have to be careful, as you saying about living a life where you just cut something completely out, because there can be other ramifications as Terry - Feeding Fatty (24:25): Well. Yeah. That doesn't work so well, if you just John (24:27): Try that and it Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:30): Makes it harder when you say you can't have any of, any of anything, all of a sudden, Terry - Feeding Fatty (24:34): Yeah. Just forget it. You want all of that. John (24:37): Yeah, exactly. As soon as you are told that you can't have something, you want it, but now here's the, here's the funny thing, 85%. And this is an accurate number because I literally just went through all my client records for the last 18 months. Okay. 85% of everybody that I work with, I've had to increase the amount of food baby when I start working with right. Because most people cut their intake so much that they slow down that adaptive thermal Genesis. And they're not even taking in enough to sustain what they're doing on a daily basis, let alone any exercise or anything. Right. Most people, I have to increase their calories anywhere from 500 to a thousand calories a day before they start burning fat. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (25:23): And that just goes to a great point of why we need to seek out professional help on these things, because, you know, just like, uh, you know, a lot of people get on the internet and say, Oh, carbs are bad. So we're cutting all of them out or, uh, reduce the calories, which, you know, it is calories in calories out, but we've got to have enough calories to function. I mean, brain function, body function. And then if you add some exercise in, on top of that, you know, we've got to have, and then, like you said, it's the it, and you'll have to call the name, but it like Stokes that metal metal your metabolism fire as well, whenever we do eat. John (26:01): Yes. Yep. And so Terry - Feeding Fatty (26:04): You're a nutritionist, is that correct? John (26:08): Yes. Yes. Yup. Terry - Feeding Fatty (26:11): And, and then you have a certification in fitness as well, or John (26:17): Yes, I have certification I'm certified in fitness and I'm a certified nutrition expert through the international sports sciences association, the ISS, Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:28): Another big thing that's kind of come up on the radar a lot more, um, is fasting. What's your take on intermittent fasting? John (26:38): The best thing about intermittent fasting is learning to your hunger. That's it? As far as the actual fasting, part of it, most people that that fast tend to fast for 24 hours or more. And there are certain benefits that you can get from that there's autophagy, which is basically new cells, eating old dead cells. And they almost becoming like super salts. Okay. Um, that effect happens when you fast it 24 hours or longer the intermittent fasting. The main thing it does in my view is it teaches discipline because you have to be disciplined to say, okay, I'm only going to eat from, from noon to eight o'clock at night or from noon to six o'clock at night. So I have to make sure if I'm eating 2,500 calories, I've gotta be able to get 2,500 calories in that window. And I have to do it in a way where I'm not eating one huge large meal and then having to deal with digestive discomfort. John (27:41): Yeah. Not to mention the fact of nutrient overload, you know, can you absorb 200 grams of protein on a one meal? Right. You know, there are those that say, you can, there are those that say you can't the end. The science is unclear. But one thing I know is this intermittent fasting is very good. If you are someone that is not disciplined, not good at portion control and someone who doesn't want to take the initiative, especially up front to be okay, I need to weigh out my food and I need to plan out I'm going to have six meals a day and I need to weigh everything out and portion it all out. So I'm prepared. So that's my take on intermittent fasting. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:25): Yeah. And the other interesting part about that is really what is considered fasting because I've seen somewhere, you know, they talk about the 24 hours and you know, you do that every once a week or once every two or three weeks, something like that. But then I've also read information that, you know, they talk about more like a 12 hour fast, which, you know, to me is basically just kind of that old school thinking of, we just don't need to eat too much after about six o'clock at night. And then we wake up in the morning, you know, we can eat, you know, start with our breakfast and eat normal, but is a 12 hours really actually considered fasting. John (29:08): It is. But let me, let me back up to your point that you just said, the worst possible thing that you can do is not eat before you go to bank. And let me explain why when you're sleeping, your body is still burning calories. So let's say you go to bed at nine o'clock and you have your last meal at six by seven 30 odds are, unless you had a huge meal, that food is digested and already being processed throughout your body. Okay? Which means you have no reserves going into six to eight hours of sleep and then another six hours of fasting. Does that make sense? If you eat? I tell all my clients, make sure you eat at the very least eat a snack, something that contains protein and healthy fats about an hour or two before you go to bed. Okay. Because what happens is when you don't have any food in your system and you're sleeping, your body goes into, what's known as a catabolic state. John (30:09): At that point in time, your body is looking for substances to break down for energy, especially if you don't have any food in your digestive tract. And the first thing it goes to, like I said before is muscle because muscles much easier to break down for that energy. It takes the amino acids, them to the liver creates ATP and glucose from it. And then you have your energy just to sustain you throughout the night. So that's the downside of fasting. Okay. Um, it's, you're doing a, let's say, for example, you're doing a 16, eight window intermittent fasting, which is the most popular protocol that people use. Okay. And typically how they do it is they'll have their last meal about three hours before they go to bed. And then they sleep for six to eight hours. So if they're sleeping for eight hours, then they wind up getting their 11 hours from the time they get up that they've already fasted. So then all they have to do is skip breakfast late to lunch, and they're good to go. They've got their 16 hours and it wasn't that difficult because they were sleeping for the bulk of your time. Right. But your body was still breaking down muscle. Your body was still needing to find energy. And that's why that's the downside of intermittent. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:27): Mm. Yeah. That's good to know. I've just, um, you know, I know it's been around for a while, but it seems like we've just heard much more about it, you know, in the last month or so. Yeah. Friends, I mean, we've been talking, we've kind of talked about it. Not specifically about what, which fast we win, think about doing, but just kind of getting into it. Um, John (31:52): Yeah. Well, like I say, it, it can be, it can be a useful tool. Things like intermittent fasting, he degenerate protocols, carnivores protocols, um, all these different things. They're all tools that we can bring out and we can use at different points in time. Um, you know, there are people in the fitness world that say you can't be a bodybuilder, especially a professional bodybuilder and run a ketogenic lifestyle. You have to eat four or five, 600 grams of carbs a day. And I can show you a man right now that is in his fifties and has won his last two masters competitions in bodybuilding. And he's been ketogenic for 10 years. Wow. So it can be done. You just have to be aware of what you're putting in your body. You have to be very aware of what you're doing in the gym, you know, and you need help, stuff like that, you know? John (32:48): And back to your point that you said earlier, right? When, when the average person doesn't have a clue, what macronutrients doing the boundary, right? The average person doesn't know how much food they should be eating in the course of the day. Shoot. Most of us in our generation, we grew up Saturday mornings was all about eating sugary cereal in front of the TV, watching cartoon. You know what I mean? And the card and the cartoons were sponsored by the cereal companies. And it was all a big thing that got to see the ton of sugar and made us all overweight. Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:22): It's all their fault. Gotta have somebody to blame. Yeah. John (33:29): So let's talk about it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:31): The other components of, uh, you know, of not only losing weight, but, you know, we just want to be healthy. Some of us need to lose weight to be healthy. And I'm sure there are people that are at the right weight that need to add more activity, exercise to, you know, help them be healthier. But the other components, uh, you know, I used to have a sign that hung over my desk. That's, you know, said get my eight hours sleep every night, drink my, um, you know, six to eight hours, six to eight bottles of water or glasses of water. Uh, and then, you know, move, do something, uh, you know, try to sweat a little bit every day. But no, you know, I think the, the water and the sleep are, how do you feel that those are, you know, big components of helping us to not only lose that way, but be healthy in general? John (34:26): Absolutely. Um, you know, water is King, our bodies are 80% made up of it. You know what I mean? So it's in one way in one form or another. So iteration is incredibly important. Sleep recovery is also very important. Um, if you need an active lifestyle, whether you just have an active job, or if you spend a lot of time in the gym, um, recovery is keen. Anybody will tell you that knows what they're talking about. They will tell you that, um, you know, building muscle, burning fat, all of that stuff, none of it, none of that happens in the gym. It all happens outside the gym. Okay. We go in the gym, we apply metabolic stress through our bodies, by engaging in activity. We apply, you know, micro tears and muscle tissue by, by lifting weights. Okay. That's, that's the catalyst that starts at all, but then everything that happens, happens outside, it happens in the kitchen. John (35:27): It happens in the bedroom sleeping. Um, so yes, hydration incredibly important. You should be aiming to get a minimum of six hours of good quality sleep at night. If you can get eight. Great. If you can get 10, even better. Yeah. But you don't want to be getting less than six because then that starts to mess with your circadian rhythms. And that throws off all kinds of metabolic processes within the body. So yeah, those components are incredibly important, but the biggest, and this is the biggest and most underrated component of anybody's health and fitness journey right here. Right now, mindset is count. Mindset is absolute key and getting all the bad knowledge, all the noise out of people's heads and getting to the truth. Yeah. Because I mean, come on, you can pick up any social media platform today and there's some fitness influencer on there and you know, you'll see these guys in there, they're like 6% body fat. John (36:29): And they're trying to make people think that that they're, that they're that way, year round was, they're not, they look like they literally live in the parking lot of a gym and never seen a Twinkie or a ho-ho they're like, but, but it, but they're, but they're selling, they're selling a fantasy. Okay. Yeah. These guys, you know, and girls, for that matter, most people don't realize that when they get ready for their photo shoots, they are restricting carbohydrates. They're restricting water for two or three days beforehand. And then just before they step in front of the camera, they eat a bunch of sugary stuff. So it causes cellular swelling in the muscles. So it makes them look bigger than what they actually are. They're all kind of tips and tricks that these guys use to make themselves look good. And the general public tries to buy into that. John (37:16): Wow. You can, you can't. No, nobody can look like that year round. Right? So find somebody that can educate you in the proper ways to do what it is that you need to do for you. But then that person has to make sure that they're helping you address your mindset issues too. Because if you're not ready to make a change, you're not going to, it doesn't matter how many coaches you hire. It doesn't matter how many, how many fitness plans you buy online? How many supplements you take? It doesn't matter if you're not mentally ready to make a change. You won't. Roy - Feeding Fatty (37:49): Yeah. And you know, I've had, uh, you know, people ask me before, like, have you ever thought about having the surgery? And, and usually that's why I always say no, because if you don't get it fixed between your ears, it doesn't matter what you do like that because I've known people that have had different procedures, but then they fell back off into the bad eating or drinking habits. And then all of a sudden, not only are they heavy again, but they got complications from whatever surgery that they had. So definitely write about, you know, getting yeah. John (38:21): Yeah. And it takes something different for everybody. Yeah, go ahead. Yup. It is. If my, my, one of the, one of the things that, that I tell a lot of people, I talked to a little background, I'm a, I'm a resident coach in a huge Facebook group called the dad Bob transformation group. We currently have over 60,000 members, which it's a huge, huge group. And I go live in there a couple of different times a week and whatnot. And, and one of the things that, um, I'm real famous for telling these guys is that if you're working with a coach and the first thing he does is takes your money. And then he says, okay, well, this is the workout plan that I have all my clients do. And this is the nutrition plan that I have. All my clients do. It works amazing for them. And it's going to work amazing for you. You're going to have good results. Let's go. If that's the pep talk, he gives you after he takes your money, get your money back and run. Right. Number one, you could use the exercise and number two, you don't need to spend that money. Right. You know, because it there's so many misconceptions in the fitness industry today. It's, it's insane. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:29): Yeah. And I think you're right. You have to find somebody, uh, you know, everybody's a little different, so everybody's going to need a little bit different plan depending on where they are, where they need to go. So if you don't get that individual attention, definitely, uh, right. That is a huge red flag to begin with. So tell us about T2, nutrition and wellness. What's that all about John (39:53): G2, nutrition and wellness. It's actually kind of funny how that came about. Um, in the spring of 2019, I wound up finding out that my right knee had gone bone on bone and I was going to need a full knee replacement. So I spent a significant amount of downtime that year. Um, I had to wait like three months from the surgery. Cause my insurance company wanted me to jump through all these hoops and get six injections and all this other stuff. So I was sitting around the house with nothing to do. So me being me, I'm always trying to learn something. So I was listening to a podcast with Tom bill, you who was one of the founders of quest nutrition. And he had, I believe the guests he had on the show with his name was Mark Sisson, who was the guy that started primal kitchen and the primal blueprint, which was all about ketogenic foods and all that type of stuff. John (40:50): And he was sitting there and he was talking to Tom and he said, you know what? He said, people have to look at it like this, you know? Cause he, cause Tom was asking him how, why he started primal kitchen at, I think he was 53 when he started that business. Okay. And it turned into a multi-million dollar business that he's since sold the crap, but, and Tom was asking him why. And he said, look, instead, it's real simple. I believe that if you find the world's biggest problem, not only are you going to find the world's biggest opportunity to help people, but you're going to find one of the best business opportunities that there is. And I immediately, because that hit me like a brick, I picked up my phone and I was like, Google. How many in the world today have type two diabetes, 280 million people. John (41:37): Wow. 70 million of them are undiagnosed 17 million. And mind you, this was two years ago. So these stats may not be correct now. 17 million of those 280 children. Oh, okay. So I was like, okay, that's, that's what I need to, you know, I I've, I reversed my type two diabetes. So these are the people that I need to work with. So I went to my laptop and go daddy.com and I'm like T2 nutrition. The domain was available. So I bought the domain, I built the website and started everything. And then I kind of rebranded everything about eight months in, because I realized that it was more than just nutrition and exercise, fitness wellness is everything. It's the mind, it's the mindset. It's the body, it's the spirit. It's the way you look at life. Um, so that's why I rebranded it to T2 nutrition and wellness. And I deal with people's mindsets just as much as I do what they're going to eat and how many reps they're going to do in the gym. No. Roy - Feeding Fatty (42:47): So how do you start? I mean, how, how do you find out where they are? How do you assess them to find out where they are in their journey and if they're ready to do what they need to do, John (43:01): How, how I typically start is if somebody contacts me and wants to work with me, the first thing I do is I send them intake forms. Um, the two forms combined total about nine pages and they give me a ton of information about them. I asked them questions like, um, you know, does their family support their journey as far as getting fit or do they find resistance? Um, how do you feel about counting calories, measuring food, preparing food ahead of time, stuff like that. How do you feel when you are in a situation and you find a shirt in the gym that, or find a shirt in the store that you want, but you can't find one of your size because you're too big, all these different questions that I asked them. And then after I get that information, I sit and I give them a free consultation online, over zoom or something like that. And I discuss it with them and I try to find out where they're at physically, where they're at mentally and emotionally, and then I try to address all those teachers. Roy - Feeding Fatty (44:10): Okay, great. Well, John, thanks so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. Uh, before we let you go. A couple of questions first off is, um, what is a tool that you use and it could be in your wellness journey and just something that adds value to your day, a tool, a habit, some kind of a ritual it business or personal professional, either one, John (44:37): Um, on a personal level. It is, I always take some time to be mindful and how my ritual for being mindful is I will take at least 30 minutes out of my day. And it's typically in the morning, um, I'll let an incense, I'll find a playlist that has some sort of music, preferably like binaural beats, which are very, very good. They have a very calming effect. And I just, I meditate in a and I, um, I meditate on how grateful I am to be here. I remember where I was and everything that I had to do to get to where I am now and why I want to continue to improve where I am, because I want to be around for my kids and my grandkids and my great-grandkids for many, many years to come. So that's the, that's the biggest tool that I use personally is I'm trying to be mindful every day. Roy - Feeding Fatty (45:37): Yeah, no, that's awesome. That is good practice. Yeah. All right. Well, uh, so tell everybody again, how they can reach out and get ahold of you if they would like to, um, you know, talk to you about working with you. John (45:51): Sure. Well, my website is T2nutritionandwellness.com and I'm on Facebook teaching nutrition, wellness, same thing with Instagram on Twitter. They decided my name was too long. So they redid it for me, I'm wellness, T2. Um, but other than that, I'm pretty much everywhere. I'm not hard to find. I have a podcast on YouTube and all the audio platforms called the jacked up podcast where I interview people like yourself. Um, fitness professionals. It's pretty, it, the podcast has a pretty wide berth. I talk about a lot of subjects because I believe, like I said, wellness is all encompassing. So I talked to people from all sorts of things. Roy - Feeding Fatty (46:32): Okay, awesome. Well, y'all check out John's podcast and reach out, take a look at the website, see how he can help you and, um, put him to work for you. You've done a fabulous transformation of yourself. I mean, it's simply amazing. And I, you know, I've, I've had some blood sugar readings in the 200 and kinda gas when that happens. So I, I just can't even imagine getting a 500. It that's, uh, congratulations. Oh my goodness. Congratulations. I know it's a lot of hard work. It takes, doesn't come easy and takes a lot of time, but it's awesome that you're going to put all that knowledge that you've gained and, uh, to work, to help others. John (47:15): Nope. That's my goal. Roy - Feeding Fatty (47:16): All right. Well, great, John, thanks so much. That's going to do it for another episode of, uh, the feeding fatty podcast. Uh, we appreciate you taking time out of your day to listen to us again, if you're a professional, if you have a great transformation story, like John's, we would certainly love to hear from you so you can reach out to either myself or Terry at, uh, I'm at Roy at, uh, I'd say it's information info@feedingfatty.com. And of course you can pick us up on, uh, www.feedingfatty.com, uh, the, uh, podcast, or put up there with the player. You can also catch this, uh, over on YouTube, also Instagram, Twitter, Facebook we're on all of them. So until next time, take care of yourself and be sure and take care of each other. Um, Roy Speaker 4 (48:07): I'm Terry. Thank you. Thanks John. Appreciate it. Thank you. www.feedingfatty.com
Women's Transformation with Maverick Willett Hello! My name is Maverick Willett and I am a ISSA Certified Personal Trainer & Fitness Nutritionist, former army ranger and former collegiate basketball player with a passion for helping women and mothers lose weight and regain control of their bodies. Growing up, my parents were both competitive bodybuilders and taught me a great deal about the importance of taking care of our bodies. I have been in the fitness industry for over a decade and have a fitness and nutrition coaching business named "Maverick Online Coaching" with my wife, Sophie, where we are on a mission to help women feel more confident about themselves by taking care of their mind and body. You may have seen me as "Dagr" the norse sun god in Sunbutter commercials or as a sponsored & featured athlete for BSN. However, most of the time I am feverishly working remotely with my clients, staying up-to-date on the latest information about nutrition, or spending time with my wife and our son who was just born in 2020! I believe that women need balance and sustainability, especially those that have a family and kids. There are so many "fad" diets out there that are causing more harm than good for women. My goal is to go beyond giving a guide - I teach women WHY they should eat certain foods and give them the tools to succeed long term. Maverick Willett- Online Fitness and Nutrition Coach | Facebook wwww.feedingfatty.com Full Transcription Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty I'm Roy I'm Terry. So, you know, we are the show that, uh, we are chronicling our journey. My journey Terry is my helper support. You know, I'm the one that actually, uh, needs to get in better shape, lose some weight, improve a lot of, um, health issues. So, um, I appreciate her for doing that. I couldn't make it without her. And so, you know, we on this show, we try to Chronicle our journey, things that we're learning, uh, mistakes that we've made, trying to help others. But we also, uh, have, uh, guests that, um, you know, professionals in their field that can really come on and add more value to our listeners. So today we are fortunate enough to have Maverick Willett. Uh, he is an I S S a certified personal trainer, a fitness, and nutritionalists our fitness nutritionalists. He is a former army ranger and former collegiate basketball player with the passion for helping women and mothers lose weight and regain control of their bodies. Uh, growing up, both of his parents were competitive bodybuilders and taught him a great deal about the importance of taking care of our bodies. Um, my average, thanks a lot for taking time out of your day to be with us. We certainly do appreciate it. Maverick (00:01:21): Thank you. I appreciate you too. Thanks for having me. I'm just happy to be here. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:01:26): Yeah. And one thing I didn't I failed to mention is that, you know, that is kind of your specialty is that you are focusing, uh, pretty much explicitly on women's transformation. Uh, not only that, but after giving birth, uh, you know, so that, that is kind of where your, um, your focus has been for the last year or so, is that correct? Maverick (00:01:51): Yes. Yes, we do. I focus primarily on women and moms and, uh, yeah, this is something that we decided to do about you're going in this industry. You want to niche down and, and that was who I resonated with the most and knew I love working with and who Sophie loves working with. So it just kind of naturally happened. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02:07): Yeah. And we do want to say that if, uh, we had a little pre a show discussion and your wife is part of your partnership, so y'all work together, even though she's not on here with us today, correct. Maverick (00:02:20): Somebody has got to watch say, I get to be with you guys eight month old. Is that what you said? Wow. We're so lucky. He sleeps through the night. He's um, he's been a good baby. I mean, we, we feed them the same stuff we eat, we just puree it for him. And we went away from the Gerber stuff and this stomach is so much better for it. And he's just growing like a weed or we're so lucky, easily. He's a great baby. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02:51): Yeah. Two happiest days of your life. Uh, you know, when your children are born and then the second one is when you get them off your payroll. So you can look forward to that one. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03:05): Uh, well, if you don't mind, let's just start out with, tell us a little bit about how you ended up here. I know that you are, um, a former army and an athlete. Your parents were both competitive bodybuilders. So, I mean, it's, it's a little bit built into your DNA, the fitness portion of this, but, uh, you know, you were saying that I really want to hear your story, that, you know, you were, uh, doing this on the side, had another job, and you finally just said, this is what I want to do. Um, I'm not looking back and I'm going to make a success of this. So tell us a little bit about that, um, uh, transformation. Maverick (00:03:42): Yeah, of course. Um, so, uh, yeah, I, I was in the military. I got, I got out and was having some trouble finding, you know, my calling, I guess you could say, um, like you said, fitness is kind of ingrained in my DNA. My parents were, were both competitive bodybuilders. So I grew up in that culture of fitness and, uh, watching my mom, especially growing up, we had a very unique relationship. I mean, I didn't out bench press my mom. So I was like 17 years old. So, um, that was a pretty loose. And so that was a very unique upbringing to compete with them in, in the gym and, and have that kind of bond. It was a very solid bond that we build just that mutual exertion, um, pushing each other and, and achieving that stuff daily. And we had a home gym. Maverick (00:04:24): And so it was something we did every day together. So, you know, and learning how to eat my mom, very, very smart with nutrition. My dad was more of a, if it fits your macros kind of guy, but she was really dialed in. And, um, that, that got me a foundation of knowledge at a very young age of how to eat, change your body. And so I took that with me in my athletic career and my military career for performance then, and then now to help people change their lives through nutrition and holistic holistically, especially, and kind of heal metabolisms from the, the fad dieting out there, the misinformation and give people a blueprint for success for the rest of the lives. But like you said, I was up till two years ago, I was working. Um, I've worked several different jobs. I was in car sales for awhile and nothing against car sales. Maverick (00:05:07): Um, I, I enjoy, I enjoyed working in the sales field, but it just wasn't enjoying what I was doing. And I had this thing on the side that I loved doing it. I loved helping people change their bodies and use my platform on social media to do that. And I was like, there's gotta be more here. And I saw other people doing it. And eventually I actually hired a business coach to help me figure out how to, how to do that. And once I figured out how to grow my, uh, the, the part-time job I was doing, it exploded. And I said, you know, okay, I have to make a decision. They're both taken away from each other. I can't be good at car sales and grow this at the same time. And it's that, this is what I love. I'm going to do this no matter what. And I took that leap of faith. I'm into uncertainty. I had the secure quote, unquote secure job here with a 401k. And I had this unknown here. And I said, I'm going to regret it forever if I don't give this a shot. So I did, I never looked back. It exploded Maverick (00:05:58): And it's been growing, ever says, I'm so grateful every day to wake up and do what I love doing. And I was fortunate enough a year and a half later for Sophie, my wife to leave her full-time job and, and help me grow it as well, because it just grew beyond one person's capacity to handle. So we're very lucky. And now I get to do that every single day. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:06:16): It's awesome. Yeah. That's such a great story because, uh, you know, as we said earlier to any transformation, if it's career career relationships are, you know, our relationship with food exercise, we've got to come to that realization that, you know, we're going to push just forward and, um, be successful because as long as we have one foot on each side of the, uh, the line there, you know, and it will just take, uh, eating as long as you're, uh, you know, kind of still nibbling on some, uh, candy and chips and things like that. It's really hard to commit to the being healthy. You gotta just go all in and, uh, do everything that you possibly can to make it work. Maverick (00:06:59): Yeah. We're conditioned to stay in our comfort zone, right. We're conditioned to avoid, um, any kind of what unquote danger when we are conditioned self from ages zero to 10, and keep that from doing anything that could, that could bring that dangerous. So we, we live in a condition state of living in fear and approval. We want other people's approval. We fear the judgment and we fear leaving our comfort zone. And so that's where I was. I was in my comfort bubble and I was afraid to take a step into the unknown. And like you're saying, that's, that's a huge thing with, with nutrition as well. A lot of people have patterns that they're used to and their behavior that has been conditioned in their mind or internal narrative. Um, and it's how they cope with things in their life. And then taking a step outside that it takes time and thinks it's a fearful step for a lot of people. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:07:45): So, um, I'm going to ask a loaded question. I mean, I'm sure there are many ways you could answer it. I don't know. Um, how, how do you, uh, how do you, how do you make that change? How do you recondition yourself to do the healthy choice? You know, make the healthy choices on eating, and Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:08:05): This is my conscience talk Maverick (00:08:12): Not easily. It's not easy. Um, especially with the patterns are so ingrained. Um, you know, it's, uh, I would say one small thing at a time. I think one of the issues with mainstream, uh, nutrition, advice, influencers, fad diets, it's a drastic change overnight and often drastic changes unsustainable. And, and with my clients, especially, you know, I, I usually overload them with information, but then I say like one small habit of time each week to implement. And if you can do that, if you can just do one small thing every week after, you know, six, eight, 10, 12 weeks, you're going to be a whole new person. You're going to have all this whole new set of habits you've implemented while simultaneously trying to understand why you have the bad one, the bad patterns, the patterns that are taken are you understand where those come from, the gentle to yourself and try to come out of those, those behaviors. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:09:03): Yeah. I think that's a big one, be gentle and kind to yourself, you know, we're just such, and we're terrible critics. And I am I actually taking notes because I mean, there was just so much that came out of that last sentence that you said, you know, and I'm going to relate this all back to me. I'm not, I don't even have to throw anybody else under the bus to say that, you know, it's like the bad habits that we, you know, that I've been in for years. And, and my worst one is that not eating nine, 10 o'clock at night, if I'm still up walking around, I'm ready for, you know, a bowl of popcorn or some kind of a snack, and then you go to bed and it's harder than, um, I don't know, there's that feeling of going to bed, not totally full that it just, uh, you know, and it's psychological. I realized I could go in there and go to sleep, but it's that conditioning to do it, uh, to break that habit, it's very, very difficult, very difficult. And, you know, we try and struggle and, um, you know, there, we do good for weeks at a time. And then all of a sudden fall off the wagon and, you know, back at it again. So it's something to constantly, constantly work on. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:10:17): Yeah. The other thing I think that you brought up was, um, trying to do too much at once. I've read some research that that is what leads to the greatest failure rate of, um, of trying to change our healthy lifestyle. Our change to it. One is because again, I'll use me for instance, like, well, I'm getting up tomorrow and I'm not having any candy. I'm not having any salt. I'm not having any of this, um, eating, right. No more of, you know, fast food, it's all vegetables. And then I'm going to start going to the gym and I'm going to start, you know, running or walking 10 miles, you know, at one time and lifting weights and you do all this stuff. And then, you know, after about a week, it's like, you just, you just give out because it's so much at one time. So Maverick (00:11:06): Yeah, when you look at any addiction program and you look at alcoholism, you look at drug addict, food addiction, sex addiction, any kind of addiction, you you'd be hard pressed to find any type of addict has just decided, you know what I'm done and cut it out completely for the rest of their life. Right? There's always relapses. There's always, you know, shortcomings there's there's, that journey is never linear. It's like a weight loss journey is never to how you're going to start here and we'll end here if you do it right. But in between, it's going to look like a heart monitor about to down the same way with almost the retro journey. I mean, there's going to be, this word comes, that's where being gentle with yourself comes in, you know, um, it takes time to unwire behaviors that are wired into our mind. Maverick (00:11:49): It takes a lot of money, you know, we didn't become that way overnight. It's not going to dissipate overnight. And so having a program where, you know, like for instance in my clients have a trouble with soda, for instance, it'd be like, Hey, I gotta have a soda. I'm like, don't cut it out. Like completely, don't cut it out completely. What we're going to do is gradually decreased over time, try to taper it off, um, understand the feeling before the feeling. There's always a feeling that makes you want to have that. There's always something that's stress. Is it? What are you trying to escape? What are you trying to consume with the said behavior? There's, there's some kind of thing you're trying to escape from. So being mindful of that often leads to a change in behavior down the road, but just scolding someone or saying, don't do that. Isn't going to help because it's coming from something else that they they've learned to use that to medicate in some way, who is no different from any other addiction. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:12:40): Yeah. And, you know, I find myself I'm on both sides of that equation. I think it's the, um, it's that soothing factor, you know, we're, we're conditioned, you know, at least in our culture, we were conditioned, uh, uh, you know, you had a bad day today. Well, let's go get something that, you know, let's go to the dairy queen, we'll get an ice cream, I'll fix you up. Or, Oh my gosh, that things went good for you. You got a promotion today. Well, let's go out and eat or, you know, then it's like, you know, you get stressed, sad, you know, you have that little food. But the other thing that I've kind of picked up on myself is, um, the fun factor whenever I've used this example before, but I was like, uh, uh, I was all excited. One day I thought Terry was, uh, I think, I think I thought she was going to Chick-fil-A and gonna bring me a Chick-fil-A sandwich home. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:13:30): And then she said, Oh, no, there's some, uh, fish and some green beans in the refrigerator. And I was like, Oh yeah. And I just actually just felt that air go out of my body. Like, Oh my gosh, that, well, that's no fun. And so, you know, but, and, and we with COVID, you know, we don't go out and eat and don't go, you know, see the kids, you know, cause we, we would meet at a, you know, place and have some more d'oeuvres and maybe a drink or something. And just being out in public. I mean, we don't get to do that a lot anymore, but, um, you know, that is a big, big takeaway. Is that fun factor for some of us too? Maverick (00:14:11): Yeah. That's such a good point. Um, I, and that's another thing that I do is, you know, oftentimes there's, there's a lot of shame and guilt centered around that indulgence. I don't like to call them cheat meals and like you call them indulging planned indulgences. I call them kind of less negative with what I do. I find it's way more sustainable to have something you love a couple of times a week, because at the end of the day, you're an accumulation of your overall habits, your overall consumption. That is what you're an accumulation of, not what you did one night or two nights out of the week. I mean, for instance, if you eat this, you even, if you eat three meals a day, that's 21 meals a week, if you, two of those are planned indulgences, you're still on that 80 margin. So I think, you know, another strategy that I use is instead of like Sophie and I tried this and we did not do very well, we used to just eat like monks the entire week and then on the weekend splurge and what that would lead to is overeating on the weekends and then we'd feel bad about it. Maverick (00:15:07): So instead of that, we had, we started each sheet eating a indulgence on Wednesday and then Saturday. So now we have it twice in the week. We tend to eat less in that meal than we would have waited longer now. And we're getting something every two or three days to keep us happy and we don't feel any shame, no guilt. And so that's a strategy I use with my clients as well to say, Hey, it's okay to have that food that you love to eat in moderation from time to time and not feel shame and guilt about it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:15:32): Yeah. You know, uh, as we prepared for this, uh, last night I was doing some reading, then it, um, I guess the other thing that, you know, this intuitively, but it kind of came out very strong yesterday was, you know, people like myself that have a large amount that they want to lose is it can be overwhelming and daunting. And so, you know, what I'm trying to do very hard is shift that from, I don't, I don't, I'm not thinking I'm not focusing on the a hundred pound journey. I'm focusing on the one pound journey, you know, the one or two pounds this week. That's what I need to focus on. Because like you said, you string together a 52 pound loss weeks and you've got your hundred all of a sudden, but it can be daunting as somebody that's heavy to think, Oh, you know, I've got such a long journey that I'm going to have to take a break and have some M and M's, uh, to kind of get me started here. Maverick (00:16:31): Yeah. Focused on the next step. Not the ladder is something I always say is focused on the next step, the whole ladder. It can be daunting, but that next step and that it becomes a lot more. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:16:44): And you also brought up about a, uh, you know, it's a culmination of our habits and patterns. And so it just, that's kind of off topic, but there's a book called the slight edge that I had read years ago. And it's, it is a great book to kind of explain that whole factor is that, you know, if you're going in, if, if you're going through life and you're eating and you go out and you eat that one, a McDonald's hamburger is not going to hurt you or, uh, be bad for you. It's that when you start stringing multiple times of those together, you know, day after, week after week, day after day. And he uses an example of a baseball player that, you know, if, if, uh, you know, some of these guys take bat and practice, they hit 10 balls and they're done. If you look at your great hitters, they hit hundreds of balls every day. And it's a constant, you know, just trying to build off of that every day and do better the next day. Maverick (00:17:50): Yeah. A hundred percent. Absolutely. And, um, with, with the habits thing, it's, it's, you know, you have to look at how habits are created. Um, this is straight from a book I like called atomic habits. I'm sure you've heard of that book. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:18:03): Uh, could you, I'm sorry. You kinda cut out. Could you say the name of it one more time? Atomic habits. Okay. Maverick (00:18:10): Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Super popular book, but he's taught, he talks in that book, how habits are created and it uses the example of when you walk into a dark room, you have the cue, the craving, the response and the reward. So the cue is you walk into a dark room, it's dark. The craving is, I want light. The response is you flip the light switch. The reward is light comes on and we create habits like that all day, every day. And so when you're trying to instill new habits in your life, having that in mind, if you want to install, instill a good, a good habit, make the cue obvious, make the craving, um, you know, something that you, you really want it something that you desire make the response easily obtainable in the risk and the reward rewarding. So if you can do that with healthy habits, that's, that's a good way to program your habits every day. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:18:53): Yeah, that's great. The other thing, I, I think I'm lucky in some respects that I enjoy, you know, my job, I enjoy what I do for living. And so I, uh, tend to spend a lot of time sitting at the computer. The, um, you know, the, all the new research is saying that sitting is the new smoking and that, you know, that's definitely, what's gonna kill us all, especially, uh, with COVID and, uh, you know, being confined and some people working from home and, you know, like myself, my commute's about 10 steps. And I sit in a chair and I, you know, I can, I got engaged the other day in a, in a, an analytical project on the computer. And I mean, it was like 10 30. And, you know, Terry was in here rattling my cage, like, okay, you've got to stop. And, you know, we're done for the night, but you know, what are some tips or that, you know, for people like myself that can, um, you know, kind of break that concentration just to get up and walk away, because it sounds easy, you know, like set an egg timer and get up and go for a walk, but I'm just telling you, it, it, even though I want to, it is not that easy sometimes just to break away and do those little things that need to be done, but any advice or any helpful hints you can offer there. Maverick (00:20:10): Yeah. I mean, sedentary lifestyle is, is one of the number one factors that lead to most of the chronic health diseases in this country. And that's, that's something that a lot of the studies surrounding food neglect to mention, there's all, there's, it's a huge factor with any kind of, you know, diabetes, any kind of, you know, heart disease, anything like that. When you have fatalities, they always relate it back to the nutrition. And sometimes don't mention the other big piece, which is the sedentary lifestyle, right? Um, and so what I found is, uh, you have to break down like how we burn calories every day. It's simply, I mean, non-exercise activity is a huge bulk of that. So 70% is burned at rest. So your metabolic rate, just breathing functioning 70%, um, and you burn more at rest. The more lean body mass you have, 15% is not our size activity. Maverick (00:20:53): So walking typing, and that that category is going to be higher or low. All these categories be higher and lower based upon your lifestyle, 10% from digesting foods. So the Bader nutrition is the better. That's going to be in 5% from exercise. So people make the mistake of thinking that since they put all their effort into that 5%, that 30 minutes to an hour exercise other day, and then they go the other 23 hours and they're sedentary. They think that they're going to get in shape, but again, you're an accumulation of your overall habits. So if you only work out an hour of the day and you sit around and another 23 hours of the day, you're not going to reflect someone who exercises for an hour. You're gonna reflect someone who's sedentary for 23 hours a day. So giving people that, that there's perspective on that, what I do with my clients is, um, 10 minute walks. Maverick (00:21:33): So, and I didn't, I didn't make that up. I got it from a mentor of mine. I understand everything, but, um, 10 minute walks are very effective, especially post-meal. And when you couple them with a meal, you know, you have to get up and get some food eventually. So that sometimes just having them walk by itself, isn't enough. Like you're saying to just remember or set a timer, but if you have, if you go up and eat and you're like, okay, before I sit down, I'm going to go on a 10 minute walk at 10 minute walks, very effective because instead of a one 30 minute walk, if you space that out amongst the day, you're accomplishing many different things. Three, 10 minute walks a day, you're getting 30 minutes of sun exposure, probably. So you're getting your vitamin D you're getting, which is a very important for metabolism, hormones, et cetera. Maverick (00:22:11): It's helping you digest your food and uptake those nutrients instantly. If you do it, post-meal, it's been shown to be very beneficial for blood sugar management for it, for some people more effective than prescription Statens for managing blood sugar. Like it's that effective insulin resistance, all kinds of things, blood pressure reduction. So lots of benefits from 10 minute walks. So I have my clients do that. If they can't get out of it super cold, they, they, a lot of them have like an elliptical or they just walk around their house, getting that movement in at least three or four times a day, especially people who their primary goal is, weight loss is, is very effective. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:22:43): Yeah. And I, you know, I do take some, uh, medication for, uh, diabetes as well. And that's what I can tell you about my glucose control is if I will walk after a meal, I can manage it much, much better than, you know, just eating and coming back and setting. And again, there's just so much to get into with this start. I'm trying to take some notes as we, as I listened to you. But so there is some, um, well, depending on who you talk to, there is some debate because, um, I'm hearing more about these 10 minutes shorter walks, but, um, how does that compare? Because I had one guy and this has been a few years ago that used to train that he was like, you know, 40 minutes, if it's less than that, you know, basically not doing yourself any good. And, uh, he was, that was his thing, you know, kind of everybody has their thing, but I feel that there's been a lot more research come out in the last few years that if we do four, 10 minute walks a day, we are probably better off than trying to do that one 40 minutes. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:23:49): And I guess maybe it depends on the goals that you're trying to accomplish. Maverick (00:23:59): Oh yeah. Sorry. It froze for just saying. Yeah, no. Um, well, I think it's important to distinguish between exercise activity and non-exercise activity, right? Like if you're going to do intentional cardio, but a third party, not that there's less benefit before the 30 minute Mark, but they're generally around 30 minutes is what you want for some kind of low intensity, steady state cardio session. Okay. You're an interval training. It's a different story. You can go a little bit shorter than that, but an exercise that tipping exercise. So with exercise activity, being such a category and a category, when it comes to the day, the way that we burn fat and calories daily, that's a big area of concentration. If you can spread that out throughout the day, you have other factors involved there, you have the blood sugar management there. So like for example, um, your blood glucose is very pertinent to your fat loss. If you have, you know, generally lower blood glucose, you're going to have better fat loss. So, uh, I mean the majority of the day, so by doing one larger walk, you're getting it, you're getting the benefit right then, and then you're not getting anything the rest of the day. Whereas if you have three or four, 10 minutes throughout the day, you're having longer, better optimal management of your blood glucose. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:25:24): Well, we kind of broke up there a little bit. I think the point you were making though, is that that 10 minutes, those 10 minute walks will help us with a lot more things. And that was another thing to distinguish is that, you know, even though, uh, exercise leading up to that weight loss factor, it's minimal, you know, diet is 80%, the exercise, 20%, that weight loss, there's just a lot more, uh, physical benefits to our body with, you know, getting up and moving. And so we, we, we still need to do because a lot of people think, well, I don't need to exercise, but especially with me, you know, like blood sugar, uh, high blood pressure, things like that. It's still important to make that a, um, a big component of our day, just for the other benefits, besides the weight loss. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:26:15): Yeah. And helps with mindset and all of that for everything else across the board. Right? Maverick (00:26:21): Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, for me, I just personally, anecdotally, if I don't, I w I just sit and work all day, my creative energy starts to go down. If I, if Sophie and I, we get up and we go out on a walk and we, we have some, some conversation and I'll come back and I'm so much more productive than if I would've just tried to grit through it all day long. And she, uh, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:26:44): I just never thought about it. Maybe, maybe Terry sabotage in my exercise, because when we, uh, we live in an awesome rule type environment where, you know, we can get out, walk the dogs and it really clears my head. And so, you know, to your point, if I can go for a 10, 15 minute walk and I come back and it's like, man, I've got all these ideas. I'm like, okay, sit down and get your pencil and paper. Cause I've got all this stuff. And she's like, Oh my, Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:27:09): Well, he didn't even, he didn't even let me sit down. I mean, we're walking five minutes and he's like shooting off all this stuff. I'm like, I can't take notes right now. I got to figure out where I'm walking. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:27:21): But yeah, I think it's just, it's amazing what a, you know, a 10 or 15 minutes just to get out, walk, uh, clears your head. And it gives, gives me that much more creativeness. And I feel, you know, like the last few days it's been a little cooler and I've been inside, but I can kind of feel it's not a brain fault, but it's just like, uh, I don't know how to say it like a heavy brain. It's just like, it's not as free and flowing as when you're, you know, when you do get that exercise. Maverick (00:27:51): Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, one thing I can suggest Roy is, uh, there's an app called Otter and it, uh, it's just, um, you talk, it writes, so maybe having that along while you're on your wall, both that's, what's the whole thing I do. We put in it and it writes as we talk. So we don't have to have a pen and pad because you never know inspiration is going to come. You want to be ready when it does. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:28:14): Yeah. Terry May take you off for Christmas list after you give me that too a lot. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:28:18): Thanks a lot. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:28:22): Uh, well, let's talk a little bit about your process. I know, uh, you know, COVID has changed a lot of things, but I think your model is pretty much, uh, on a hundred percent online anyway, is that correct? Maverick (00:28:40): Yes, we are a hundred percent remote. Okay. Yeah. And we, uh, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:28:44): Talk to us about, you know, you were just saying all the different components that go, you know, this isn't, you know, basically you coming on and, uh, shouting to give me 10 pushups and things like that. You know, there was a lot more, um, input from you besides just the, you know, watching somebody do some pushups or setups. Maverick (00:29:06): Yeah. I think most people's perceptions, uh, depending on their generation, when I tell them that I'm an online trainer, they think that I'm in their living room. Like I'm like C3, I'm gonna do burpees or something. And that's like the furthest thing from what we actually do. Um, we are very nutrition focused. So you get a personalized nutrition plan based on what you're trying to achieve. We, you know, we I've been doing, I've been a nutritionist for years, so that's very fully fledged years went into this nutrition plan, focus on gut health hormones, um, just basically a blueprint for success with your nutrition. So people never have to be in this area of, you know, what the hell do I do? I've Googled one thing and I've gotten 200 different answers. So-and-so's doing this. And I don't think that would work. They have that blueprint forever. So that's number one. Number two is yes, we do training plans as well. Uh, we have our own training platform where we can give you, you know, there's video demonstrations. If you, if you're especially right now and you're trapped at home and you hit your gyms close, whatever's going on at home workouts. That's really big right now. So we have, you know, with ex X resistance bands free, what do we have available? Maverick (00:30:15): Um, my wife's Sophie, she gets act as a live treatment or a Facebook group every week where she does an at-home workout. And that, that helps a lot for people who need, you know, cause it's hard to keep it fun at home, working out, finding new things you can do to challenge yourself. So, um, we make sure that we, we meet them there with that. The biggest part of what we do though, is the accountability. So we, um, we have a Facebook group, hundreds of women, you know, have similar loans are crushing it because they have surrounded themselves with a group of wounds or a pot going on in their lives. What's going on with going on. And me ever, they have this group to go to and it's always 100% going to be positive. It's going to be, um, a positive influence on their life. Maverick (00:30:57): It's going to be lifting and it's going to keep them focused on their goals. So we have that community where we do free challenges every week, give away free prizes for those challenges. So I do five live streams a week in that group right now where we're adding more every, every month it seems like, wow, we do group calls and we all get on zoom just like this, but there's 30 of us and we celebrate wins. I answered questions, craft big. Uh in-depth um, and they have access to us around the clock. So any questions that get asked, they get answered. We're there for any that they need. We do weekly check-ins we do one-on-one responses to those check-ins, but it's just about as involved as you can get with an online coaching program. And that's why it's seen the success that it has. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:31:41): So what does your, um, client look like? I mean, I know transforming women, but is there at a S at a certain fitness level? Um, what, what's your client? Maverick (00:31:56): I ideal avatar is women 30 plus, um, who, you know, primarily weight loss, but we work with just body composition type clients as well. Um, all levels of their journey and fitness that we w our job as a coach is to meet you where you're at and take you the next step. So, for instance, I had a lady in my program, uh, this past year named Tammy who at the start of the program, she was, she couldn't even, you know, get off the floor, get down on the floor, um, do any exercises. So we started with walking, we started with just, you know, addressing the nutrition and addressing the mindset stuff she had going on, uh, centered around food and just start with walking. And over the past year, she lost, she dropped 60 pounds and she's now jogging in the gym for the first time in her life. I actually got on a, um, a FaceTime call with her and showed her how to use the different machines. And she's crushing it. She's doing things she hasn't done in 30 years. And so that's someone who couldn't even, we didn't even know how to exercise or wasn't even able to who is now doing all those things. So that's, that's what we can do with someone, um, even not being there in person. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:33:00): Wow. Yeah. It's that support is such an important component in this and not only for the exercise part, but for the eating part. I mean, because as we go through this, you know, we have questions, uh, sometimes it's like, Oh, let's just go ahead and slide one. Buy-in if you have somebody that, you know, you can reach out to, or if you know, you're going to have to face somebody at the end of this week and say, w w why did we eat? You know, you tend to change your mindset a lot more, but, Maverick (00:33:34): But they, they don't. The thing is though, this is what's lacking in this industry, is they can't be afraid to come to you at an off week, or if they, if they made a mistake, right. I think a big, Oh, no, I messed up either. I'm not going to track this because we can see all their foods. So it's like either I'm going to track this and I'm going to lie, or I'm just not going to tell them. And, you know, because I've been doing this long enough to know what progress should be looking like, based on what I see on their nutrition. So the key with being a coach in my opinion, is they're comfortable enough to come to me and say, Hey, this day I had, you know, 12 ounces of wine. That's cool. You know, that's totally fine because the rest of the week he did really well going forward. Maverick (00:34:19): Here's what we're going to do. Um, you know, w what school, what else is going on? Are you stressed? Oh, you're just closed on your house. So you guys are really stressed and packing your house up. Got it. That makes sense. Don't worry about it. Let's go forward. Let's keep establishing good habits. We're good to go. Having that kind of mentality. Um, I made a mistake or I made a, you know, I ate off plan or whatever, but it's going to be okay. Longterm and not punishing them for it. And being a drill Sergeant with me, women, because I'm a 250 pound army veteran. So for them to be able to trust me with their fitness, you know, I have to have empathy and I have to be understanding. And so that, that's another reason why I love working with women, because I've been able to cross that threshold and, and understand stuff they're going through to the best of my ability and not having that firsthand experience. That's where, so it becomes, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:35:05): Yeah. And that's a good point, you know, we're hard enough on ourselves and, um, you know, being able to work with somebody you trust that you can come to, because that gives you, uh, the opportunity to build me up and say, you know, what ate a few tacos the other day is it's not the end of the world. And, you know, the, because the, the sad thing is we, we do bad and then we give up and then the trajectory just goes downhill from there. And it's like, even if we could just make a little bit of a comeback from a bad day or two, we're still going to be way ahead of the game moving forward. So is so important to have that reassurance. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:35:44): Yeah. And that, that empathy factor is a huge deal, especially when you're, especially when you're dealing with women, because they, you know, they, they just, they don't need the harsh, the harsh words. They just don't need the guilt and the shame, you know, we pile enough of that stuff on, as it is. We need somebody who's going to be able to understand, Maverick (00:36:07): Right. Just listen, not trying to fix. And at the end of the month, if they've, you know, instilled all these new habits, and they're doing all these new things at the end of a month, when they look back and they're like, wow, like I've actually come a really long way. Despite me, me sabotaging, or trying to mentally sabotage myself every step of the way I've actually come a really long way. So then I have that progress to look back on all the stuff, doing a great job. And that, that keeps, that builds momentum with them instead of, you know, frayed. Tell me I can't rule. Never. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:36:44): Yeah. I do have one question about, uh, something that also came up yesterday. Are you familiar with the, the T R X bands, those yellow bands are those pretty decent for, I mean, I know, I see a lot of, uh, you know, you can do so much with them and at one time the gym I go to, they had one in there and they've since removed them. But, um, you know, I just wonder if the, the time spent on those, doing some things is, is worth the effort to get one. Maverick (00:37:16): I think that they are a great addition if, um, if you don't have access to freeways, because in my opinion, freeways are always going to be the best. However, if your gyms close, they're a fantastic piece to have to have for maintenance or re depending on where you're at in your journey. Okay. Absolutely TRX bands have their place. And even if you do have access to freeways, there ha they have their place in a program for extra stimulus. I mean, you have to use a lot of stabilizers with, with TRX. I think they're a fantastic innovation and a great addition, but I wouldn't, if I had access to freeways, I wouldn't base my entire. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:37:55): Okay. Yeah. And, uh, you brought up a good point about, um, well about the free weights. And if you don't mind explain the difference between a, you know, like, uh, in the old days, a universal machine and, uh, kind of set the stage for those that may not understand the, the weights are on guides. And so you, you push the weight up and down for sure. But with, with free weights, there are a lot of stabilizer muscles that you have to use and get benefit of that as well. If you wouldn't kind of expound on that just a little bit, Maverick (00:38:30): There's just less variability. There's less, there's less margin of error with free weights. Mean the resistance is always gravity and you can't cheat gravity, you can't do anything, but the exercise. And, and I know it can be intimidating for a lot of people, especially in the, in the freeway section of a gym to go in there and not to give it a try. Um, but it isn't the most effective form of changing your body. At the end of the day. It will always be the most effective form with machines. You have to worry about who they're built for. You have to worry about a lot of other advanced principles being a lot like me, for instance, I have to finagle myself into every single machine cause I'm so large to get the proper angle for the exercise to even be effective. I mean, it's, you know, you're ill where I want to in the target muscle. So I'm imagining someone who's brand new to exercise, trying to make that connection while they're in a machine. Um, it's, it's, it's hard without someone guiding you, machines just are not going to be as effective because you're rolling the dice with, if you're even doing the exercise, correct. Or feeling it in the right spot to begin with a lot more. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:39:37): Sorry about that. We hadn't, Oh my gosh. Oh my goodness. I scared me. I thought we were not, we were under attack for a minute. Okay. Come on. Gosh. Okay. Sorry about that. Oh my gosh. That was loud. Uh, uh, broke my train of thought. So, yeah. So anyway, that's the difference in the free weights and the, uh, you know, the machine types? The other thing is the, um, I think on the nutritional side, the importance of journaling, not only so we know it's so we can look back because I think, uh, you know, like for us, one thing that we learned, it, it wasn't as much as for the calorie count, although that's nice and helpful it's for all the other things that we don't know we're in food. And so, uh, you know, kind of an exercise for us when we started cooking more, quit doing more fast food or, uh, easy take out stuff. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:40:38): It's, uh, you know, even the pre-packaged food in the grocery store, when you put that into some kind of a nutritional app, you are just blown away at all the stuff. And, you know, mainly we'll say probably salt was the big one that always got our attention, but, you know, there's just a lot of other stuff that's in there that is not really probably what we want to be putting in our body. So anyway, that's kind of a two-fold thing is the pre-packaged versus the fresh, but also, you know, just that importance for a journaling. So not only do we know what we're eating, we can be true to ourself. And then if we don't lose weight this week, or if we don't lose enough, we can kind of look back and say, well, here's exactly why, Maverick (00:41:22): Oh my gosh, it's, it's so important. It's so important because gosh, for so many reasons, number one, becoming aware calorically of what you're intaking on a daily basis. I mean, that's where Maverick (00:41:34): Fad diets missed the Mark big time, um, with, with messing people up is because yes, you'll lose a little bit of weight by cutting out entire food groups. But if you don't understand what a plate of food is supposed to look like for your personal goals, I mean, that's a tool you can carry with you for the rest of your life. So with, with my clients, I always tell them the mindset is you're, you're not going to track calories for the rest of your life, but doing so for a certain amount of time gives you that invaluable tool of knowing what a serving for you should look like. And it's different for everyone. And especially for couples, I find that with my couples, you know, there's a huge disparity. They'll realize Holy crap, I was eating as much as he was just because we're around each other all the time. Maverick (00:42:15): And that's why I was putting on weight because that's a full grown man and I'm a woman and this is, that's not okay for me individually, but they should be eating. The other thing is, you know, you learn what, like you said, what nutrients are in each foods. You know, if you need this many carbohydrates, what's a good food for carbohydrates. What's a good food for protein. What's a good food for protein that isn't loaded in fat or good source of carbohydrates. That's not loaded in sugar. I mean your fiber, you know, it's just, it gives you so many tools to take with you for the rest of your life. And it, it can help you understand what your weekly intake is, let alone your daily. So like, you know, with weight loss, especially if your, if your maintenance amount of calories is 2000 and you eat 1800 every day, Monday through Friday, right? Maverick (00:43:03): So that's, uh, what, uh, since 200 times five, so it's a thousand calorie deficit for the week, but then on Saturday and Sunday, you eat, you know, uh, Oh, so far over your maintenance, you eaten the surplus that it puts you at a surplus for the week. You're going to have a hard time losing weight. So realizing that is what helps a lot of people. They're like, Oh, this is why I'm not losing weight because although I was eating well, Monday through Friday, I was eating so much on Saturday and Sunday. It was completely sabotage me. It comes down to your weekly caloric intake as well. And that's why, you know, the, the weekend can, can kill people. Cause they just, they, they binge and they don't realize how far over their maintenance calories they go. So again, it's, uh, there's some push pull with this debate because a lot of people think that counting calories can create some unhealthy eating habits, but I think that's when people like about, you know, that feedback. Um, and then you get into weight loss and how the scale and everything and how the, you know, your, your body fluctuates week to week and everything else. But just keeping that food diary is, is so important to, to also realize if you eat something inflammatory, you can go back and see what it was. You know, it's like, okay, I ate this. I felt like crap after, or I feel like crap today. What did I eat yesterday? And you can look back and be like, okay, there's something going on with those egg whites, right? Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:44:19): Yeah. And there, I just read an article about that calorie counting. And I think there's a, you know, it's a good distinction to make that, just tracking what we eat and put in our body is so much different than making a decision based on that. Like, Oh, well, I'm cutting these calories down to some absurd level or things like that. And so, um, it also, you know, like myself, one thing I knew years ago, I started, you know, when I was eating bad, I took a lot of supplements because I knew I wasn't getting the nutrients. And then that's the other great benefit of tracking is we are able and, uh, uh, chronometer I think is the one that we use. It has a very good, uh, micro, new nutrient tracking in it. And so what it's done is it allows us to, uh, adjust our meals to try to make sure we're getting all these vitamins and nutrients instead of having to take a supplement. And it's, it's been an invaluable tool for us. We've cut out a lot, Maverick (00:45:20): Always going to absorb it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And one thing on that note is my clients who have been on blood pressure meds, I've gotten, uh, I want to say like 35 people off of blood pressure medication. Now over the past two years. And the only, the only thing I do is I say, Hey, we're going to track your potassium for the next couple of months. And I want you to get 4,700 milligrams of potassium every single day from food. And over the course of two months, their blood pressure goes range, know, doing that. And 10 minute waltz and some weight loss, but that mineral balance. So they have to track calories to know how much potassium they're getting, obviously. So that just knowing that balancing or minerals could potassium so, so important for blood pressure. Um, and then just mineral balance overall. And they, they feel so much better. And obviously it's coupled with some weight loss and being more active, but that potassium piece, they have to track galleries to, to know that right, Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:46:14): Like that you need some potassium, honey. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:46:19): All right. Well, Terry, have you got anything else Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:46:22): Now? This, this has been, I really liked that you guys split it up, you know, instead of doing, you know, well having your, um, nutrition program Monday through eating correctly, Monday through Friday and then sell, like, I, I think of it as celebrating Saturday and Sunday, you know, like that y'all split it up to Wednesday and Saturday. Cause you know, we need two days. We have to have two days of celebration sort of, I think, I don't know. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:46:50): Oh, I'll tell you what, one other, one other point I wanted to make that you brought up about the, um, you know, calories in and out. I challenge everybody to get a pen and paper. I mean, I actually don't do a calculator, get a pen and paper out and uh, w Maverick, I'm gonna let you just tell me if, uh, if I've got this right. Okay. But, uh, 3,500 calories is what equals a pound. Correct? Maverick (00:47:18): What equals a pound? Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:47:20): Then if you, uh, yeah, 3,500 calories if you eat well, I guess if you let's say 2000 is Mark. If you eat 3,500 calories over that, that would, you would gain a pound per week and, or Maverick (00:47:37): Yeah, 100 pounds over were maintenance. I'm sorry. Now the 1500 calories over your maintenance is what you're saying. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:47:44): Uh, no, just basically that, if you want to lose weight, let's say you want to lose a pound over a week. You would have to adjust your calorie intake or out, you know, exercise or however, by 3,500 calories to achieve that pound. Maverick (00:48:05): Um, it's hard, you know, that's hard to say because there's so many other variables it's like I have to have like, so when my clients, you know, I'll have an initial questionnaire where they tell me, you know, what's your scale of one to five, what's your activity level? You know, what weight are you now? Or are you currently tracking calories with, I guess some information with which to generate a, uh, caloric goal for them to hit the first two or three weeks and that move for the first two or three or as much a baseline response to that. And everyone's energy balance is different on different days. So that's why, you know, to have that, if you're doing this on your own, especially you stick to something yeah. Calorie wise for at least three weeks to a month to account for the variability is in your activity. Maverick (00:48:51): So stress, um, with women, you know, hormones every month with, you know, water retention with any kind of other activity that's going up or down in your life. And you're gonna, you're gonna burn more calories on different days. So that's why it's imperative to stick to one number two or three weeks to see what your weight does. Yeah. And then once you see, let's just say that you, it, it stays exactly the same. Then you would bring your calories down 150 to 200 calories and do the same thing. And repeat that process is not sexy and it's not what people want to hear, but that's the best way to lose weight and keep it off and not have to do something extreme with your nutrition. So if you don't want to completely cut carbohydrates and things you love out of your life, this is the way to do it. And you're going to learn how to do it for the rest of your life and not have to do something that ultimately probably won't be sustainable and puts you in a, in a mode of disparity and frustration and failure again, because it didn't stick. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:49:48): Yeah. And I guess what the point I was going to make, and maybe after, um, you find that equilibrium for yourself, you see kind of what those calorie, you know, the differences for you to lose that pound. But if you actually put it on paper and do the math, I think we find that have what I have found for me anyway is having that little extra snack, the, you know, the little extra M and M things. It adds a lot. I mean, it just, one little package of candy will take away so much from your week or, you know, add more that you have to try to try to reduce. But the converse of that is that if you get on the stone, just a treadmill and walk at, uh, you know, a fairly good pace, you will see that the, uh, the calories reduced by that are so small in comparison to eating that package of M and M's. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:50:44): And that's one thing that has really woken me up is I think it takes me five minutes to eat a candy bar m&ms chips or whatever, and I can go to the gym and, you know, basically it takes you four hours of a decent walk just to burn off that one little indulgence that we had. And, and I'm not, you know, uh, I'm not trying to stress that we've got to cut everything out, but I think I just wanted to look at things from the mathematical side of how we sabotage ourselves and then what you would physically have to do to overcome it. I think it makes me personally make a lot better nutritional decisions, you know, trying to do the math because it's like, it's incredible. I mean, it really is. Maverick (00:51:33): Yeah. And Agworld that, I like any of this, this chat are, you burned at breasts with non introspective food. As you cumulatively cumulatively, do those things better. As you have a better body composition, as you have more lean body mass compared to body fat, you know, all those categories are going to get higher. So once that happens and your metabolic rate comes up, you can get away with eating, you know, your, your things you love to eat, uh, in, in, in larger amounts or more frequently than you could before. When, you know, we were, we were in poor health all through, you had a higher body, fat percentage and everything else, you were more sedentary as those other categories get higher. You could actually indulge more often and not see the effects as much as you used to. And then I found it well, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:52:19): Well, one more thing I know we've run way over, which is, you know, it's awesome. I mean, we've had a good conversation, but it's like every time, every time you say something, it just sparks. Another idea is like, uh, the, uh, you know, as we, uh, put on muscle or as we reduce the fat, the there's the difference that, um, and I think this goes back to the walking versus doing, even again, this is all a balanced approach. I'm not saying do one, don't do the other. It's more of, uh, where we spend our time. We need to do the cardio and get that. But the weightlifting part, as we build muscles, those muscles will continue to burn fat, I guess, you know, for the, for a longer period of time, where if I'm not wrong, the cardio, we pretty much get you get what you get right up until you quit. And then, uh, but building that lean muscle mass, um, will help continue to burn calories through the rest of the day. Maverick (00:53:21): Yeah. Your body responds to the stimulus, you provide it and does it build muscles. So, um, in order to create that, that lean feminine muscle that, that women want, it comes down to, you have to do some sort of resistance training to stimulate the muscle growth. Um, and that's always a, uh, a line that I have to toe with with women, especially. Cause if you say muscle, if you say, uh, you know, you're, you're, you're building your body. They automatically just picture Arnold Schwarzenegger in their head. Like, I don't want that. I don't want, I don't want big lots. I don't want shoulders. Right. And so getting past that look, every fitness model, you see every in grants, a lot of more probably Photoshop, but every ideal body that you see on TV or whatever, they lift weights, all of them, every last one, there's, there's no way you can build a lean feminine muscle type of body without lifting weights without doing that. So yes, the muscle you burn more at rest because your, your base model metabolic rate has to be higher to accommodate that. I mean, you have to eat more to accommodate that, that muscle growth. And that's, uh, that's great news for most people. It's like, Hey, you get to eat more. Maverick (00:54:24): And muscle is less. Muscle is more dense than fat. So, you know, you can, the more you gain more muscle, you gain the theater you're actually going to get, because there's muscle takes up less space, same weight, body fat, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:54:35): One more thing. And I promise we're done. Uh, I know, uh, but the, uh, you know, somebody like myself who likes to eat at night, uh, I think somebody had told me a long time ago that, um, fixing a protein shake or ma even if you have to have that little snack to make sure that it's more protein based than, uh, well, you know, intuitively better than a bowl of ice cream or a bag of chips, for sure. But if you, if you eat that protein, you know, when you get a little bit hungry at, in the late in the evening like that, then your body will burn that through the night. Is, is there some truth to that? Maverick (00:55:16): Yeah. Like there's the myth there's, uh, the whole thing notion that eating right before bed will make you more prone to gaining body fat is a complete myth. I mean, again, it always comes down to your overall energy balance. I mean, it doesn't matter if this is, I would never recommend someone to do this, but if your maintenance amount of calories to maintain your weight is 2000 and you don't eat all day and then you eat 2000 calories right before your head hits the pillow. You're not going to gain weight because you're still in that, that, that maintenance at the end of the day in 24 hours, you didn't consume a caloric surplus. So although that's not ideal for metabolism, it's, it's, you know, it's, it still comes down to that no matter what. So, um, what matters is your overall intake for the day? Maverick (00:55:55): So eating closer to bed doesn't affect that. But as far as like what I recommend for, in my program for people who have that type of craving, you know, I look at what they're eating throughout the rest of the day, if they're eating, to getting their fruit dose and from tropical fruits. So oftentimes cravings are a result of a mineral imbalance or mineral deficiency. So we address that first, but there's different things you can do. There's different creative little things. I have a, there's a protein self when I recommend all my clients. It's just collagen hydraulic say, it's, it's just college and protein from bovine college and types one and three, really, really good for your digestion and gut health, really good for your skin, hair bones. So it's a great product for women, especially, um, but what they have a Berry flavor. And so I, you can re mix that with yogurt, you can make little overnight oats with that, make little snacks. Maverick (00:56:38): Um, protein shake is fine as well, but there's all kinds of critical things you can do. There's also an amino acid, uh, EA it's called EAs essential amino acids that I recommend for people. And what you can do is a little, little trick. I learned a long time ago, you blend it up with, uh, with ice and just make like a slushie and eat it with a spoon. You're tricking your body into thinking you're having like a, like a tasty treat. It actually tastes really good. And it's really good for you. So that's like little things I can have here there. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:57:05): All right. Awesome. Well, I promise I'm cutting it off no more. What we'll have to do though, is promised to come back and be a guest again so we can, uh, you know, there's just so much to cover. And then of course we can get, so in-depth on so many subjects that we could talk for hours, but, uh, we do appreciate you coming on. So is there a tool that you use in your, um, you know, and it could be a workout tool or a nutritional tool, but is there something that you do in your daily life that you just can't do without or something that really adds a lot of value Maverick (00:57:39): For my life? Um, yeah, I use, uh, I like my fitness balance as the nutrition tracker of choice. I know there's different ones out there. I just find that's the easiest one piece that you can scan barcodes. It saved you say recipes instead of the most quick later foods. So as far as just being aware of my work and think, I think that's, that's probably the one I would recommend at most. It's the one I use my clients. Um, yeah, that's I think bang for your buck, that's going to be quite the best thing. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:58:03): The good thing about my fitness pal too, is, uh, they put out a lot of good articles on nutrition and exercise and just a, um, a lot of good material as well. Maverick (00:58:16): Yeah. I've got an article coming out with them in a couple of days. I think about protein consumption. They got published in there for that, so, yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:58:24): Okay. Well, great. Well, uh, tell everybody again, just, uh, who is your client, what you can do for them, and then of course, how they can reach out and get ahold of you. Maverick (00:58:36): Yeah, so women 30 plus who, you know, moms busy women who, you know, have your body has changed. And since high school I'm having trouble dropping stubborn body fat, stubborn weight. And just looking for an answer when they're tired of Googling, one thing, getting through a hundred different answers, entirely the fad diets that don't want to restrict themselves. We want to create a time and there'll be stress in their life. And finally have that one stop answer for nutrition and wellness and mindset, the whole shebang. Um, that's, that's what we're looking to, help them get their life back where and how it went back and be the best they can to their family can be the best that it can be. Because when the matriarch is at their best, the rest of the family runs like nobody's happy, but we're a Maverick. Will it simply Maverick will it on Instagram, same thing on Facebook. And we are website that our construction, but it's coming soon, but yeah, just out is it's Maverick Linder score will it on Instagram and a good way to find it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:59:33): Okay, great. Yeah, I'll reach out and, uh, let Maverick help y'all out. I, I know he could do great things with you. So again, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. Uh, this is going to be it for another episode of feeding fatty. Thanks for joining us. 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Benefits of Foraging with Dr. Mark "Merriwether" Vorderbruggen What would a caveman do?" is still a valuable question to ask in modern times, especially with health concerns. Let me tell you more. :)” Bringing you over a decade of public speaking at museums, garden clubs, prepper groups, historical societies, nature parks, botanical gardens, MENSA clubs, distilleries, Toastmasters, and multiple podcasts. Author of Idiot's Guide Foraging Nationally recognized foraging and herbalist instructor, creator of Foraging Texas Ph.D. Chemist with 14 patents Chemist/herbal formulator for Medicine Man Plant Co. Experienced YouTube Personality: DrMerriwether Over 26,000 followers on the Facebook/ForagingTexas Winner of the 2019 Native Plant Society of Texas Digital Media Award Author of a monthly magazine article on foraging Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy and we are the show. You know, we try to bring a lot of different views to the table. Uh, you know, we all struggle in some ways with our getting our fitness plan going, uh, eating right, vegetables, meat, you know, how much, what do you do? What's recommended. What's good for you, you know, what do you like? So we try to bring, you know, this is not only about our journey, mine and Terry's journey, but together, but we also like to, uh, bring guests who are more, um, uh, experts in their field in different areas that have to do with diet and nutrition. And, uh, today, uh, we have an awesome guest that, um, you know, we were kind of joking a little bit in the, uh, in the pre-show that, um, you know, more we have read about him the less that we truly understand what is going on. Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:57): So it's going to be a, an interesting show for all of us to learn. Uh, but we are, uh, grateful that Mark Merriwether [inaudible] hope I got that, right. Uh, he is a PhD, uh, not, uh, and we're going to Merrywhether it's what he goes by in kind of the plant world. So that's where we're going to go with that. And so Merriwether grew up in the wilds of Minnesota, where parents and grandparents utilize the amazing wild foods and medicinal plants found in local woods fields and lakes. The oneness with nature that Dr. [inaudible] has known since childhood is a foundation of who he is today. So Merriwether, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. Merriwether (01:44): Thank you. Thank you for having me. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:46): So let's, uh, let's just talk a little bit about, uh, tell us a little bit about, you know, growing up kind of what led you, cause I know that you are, uh, very outdoorsy and, uh, I've seen you reference yourself as a forger. And so, um, those would be some good jumping off points to kind of talk about those. Merriwether (02:08): Sure. Uh, so when they mentioned growing up in Minnesota and both my parents were big into outdoors and every day we were out in the woods behind our house, the fields of rivers, the lakes, things like that, it was part of their upbringing of us is giving us a deep connection to nature. And one of the things that played a role in that was eating the different wild foods that we're finding. Yeah, so that, that played a big role. Both my parents were high school education, uh, but children are the great depression. So one of the things that was very important was the idea of food security, because they grew up in the time, their childhood, where that was an issue, right? So that was always important to us concurrent with that, I knew I was going to be a scientist. Uh, I used to drive my, my elementary school teacher nuts with different questions that they couldn't answer about science. Merriwether (03:02): I was starting to read science textbooks at a very young age. Um, and by the time I got to college, it became obvious that what I want to do is study plant chemistry because when it gets down to it, the chemicals in the plants are fascinating. They've evolved. I tell people, if you can't run, you have to fight and plants can't run. So they have to fight. They have to develop all sorts of really interesting compounds that turnout have benefit for humans too. And so that led into kind of a long and twisted path down herbal medicine. Uh, but at the same time, my, my original plan was to go into pharmaceuticals and become, uh, you know, my, my master's degree was in medicinal chemistry. My PhD was in physical, organic chemistry. So not making molecules, but figuring out which molecule you need to accomplish a certain task. Merriwether (03:56): Uh, I got sidetracked with 18 years in the oil industry, but during that time I was using my knowledge of natural products to come up with new environmentally friendly, safer ways of accomplishing oil field tasks. I got 14 patents. The first one was using cinnamon as a corrosion inhibitor and it just went from there. Um, yeah, but, uh, finally after many, many years, uh, I was able to take that chemistry back into the medicinal side, uh, working for a company as their chemist, herbal formulator for dietary supplements, using ancient plants for modern issues, but there's a whole nother side of the world too. Roy - Feeding Fatty (04:37): Okay. Wow. Yeah. That is a, uh, that is a long and interesting road through the, through the oil patch back to plants. Merriwether (04:46): Well, always with plants, but yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (04:51): So, um, you know, we talked a little bit about the forging aspect and you were saying that, uh, because you know, growing up in more of a, an urban environment, even though we lived, you know, kind of in the country, what we called it, we had gardens, but we would never go out and pick anything. Well, you know, we were always scolded against never pick anything up off the ground and put it in your mouth. You know, we, weren't not that they're all bad, but we weren't smart enough to determine the good from the bad. So, uh, you know, that's kind of an interesting concept of being able to go out into the, to the fields. And, uh, no, I guess the first step is being able to identify what is edible and what is something you need to stay away from. Merriwether (05:36): Definitely. Um, there's a basic rule of thumb. I teach foraging classes all around Texas and actually around the nation now. And I tell people when you are, you know, there's lots of good books and websites and so forth to help people identify plants, even apps though. I don't trust the apps, but I say you got to match at least five structural features of the plant. You know, the, the edge of the leaf, the vein pattern of the leaf, the arrangement of the leaves, the flower, the number of pedals, that color there's lots and lots of structural features, but you need to match at least five of them to whatever resource you're using to identify the plant next to you. Really, the secret is start on your doorstep, look at your trees, identify your trees, and then Google, you know, Elm tree edible and figure out, you know, what you can do with that. Then look at the bushes, then look at the flowers and go down into the weeds and identify the weeds. And then just expand from there. A lot of people make the mistake of taking a foraging book out in the woods, thinking I'm going to learn edible plants. And they look at the sea of green and they looked at this thick book and they go back home. So, you know, start, it's easier if you identify the plant and then look up it's edible and medicinal. Terry - Feeding Fatty (06:49): Yeah. That's what I was going to say is where do you start or ask, where do you start? It's like, it's just so overwhelming because there's so much. Roy - Feeding Fatty (06:59): Yeah. And the, um, I guess, like you said, the overwhelmingness of, when you walk out that even though they are differences to the trained, I'm sure that, you know, to the untrained eyes, like a lot of stuff, they all look the same. So that is a, Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:15): Yeah. So I just block it out. It's my fault. Merriwether (07:18): I get so many pictures of a vine wrapped around a tree that people think is one plant, you know? And it's like, no, they're two distinct plants here. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:29): So what are the benefits are there? Um, I know that in the, I guess the Western world, we have lost a lot of that medicinal use of plants. That there's a lot that's good out there, but for a minute, talk about the nutritional. Uh, are there a lot of nutritional values that are good for us in plants that we may find growing out in the wild? Merriwether (07:52): Oh, definitely. That's a, that's another thing that makes me laugh at gardeners. Uh, nothing personal gardeners, but you guys work way too hard. It's funny to see a lot of the weeds they're pulling up and throwing out are often more nutritious than the plants that they're growing. One of the aspects of the domestication of plants was to alter it in a way that makes it more convenient for the humans to harvest, you know, or store to a point. Um, but in a lot of those changes, uh, you know, basically the plant said, okay, if you take care of me, I will make it easier for you to eat me. But in that process, they did lose some of the nutritional value. Whereas the wild plants, they are constantly fighting, you know, they can't run. So they still have a lot of their initial vitamins minerals. Merriwether (08:39): Uh, dandelions are always a great example. You know, the, the most hated weed and it should be the most loved weed on the planet because the, the leaves are loaded with the vitamins and minerals, even a little protein, the flowers have medicinal properties, the roots can go 12 feet and they have amazing medicinal uses. Yeah. And when the dandelion dies, you have now worked, you know, organic matter 12 feet down into the soil. So one of the things that makes them so nutritious is they have this deep, long reservoir of minerals that they can bring up back into their leaves. That's why they show up in damaged areas because when it rains, a lot of water soluble minerals get percolated down deep into the soil. So the top layer of the soil becomes dead. Nothing can grow in there. The Daniel lions can, they send the roots down deep and remineralize and then other plants go, Oh, this soil is good. And they come in and they crowd out the dining lines have been negative. It's just go away. Interesting. Roy - Feeding Fatty (09:38): So that is one thing that, um, you have seen, I mean, you're currently in the Houston area, you grew up in Minnesota. I mean, that's about as far, uh, you grew up about as far North, as you can go. And now you're living about as far South, as you can go in the U S and then, you know, it's, the, the train is different. The climate certainly different, but what is the diversity of plants that we may find from one area to the other? I mean, is it like a whole new, is it like a whole new, I mean, I'm sure there's some that translate from both areas, but in Houston, are you finding a lot more different stuff than what you found in Minnesota? Merriwether (10:15): It's funny. The, uh, the main difference is the time when the plants show up. Okay. So a lot of the summertime, well, a lot of the winter time weeds in Houston, things like, uh, wild violets and cleavers and girl dock, those are summertime plants up North. Um, and then the summertime plants are the down here in Texas are the deep summary, like the July, August weeds there. Um, I I've been down here since 97 and I still get confused as to what time of year it is. Cause I kind of rely on the plants to be my calendar. And like now I know when I see the Blackberry, uh, flowers, I know it's time to do my taxes. They, they, they start showing up in the beginning of April, I was like, the Blackberry tasty. And then when the curl doc starts showing up, I know it's time to buy my Halloween candy. But up in Minnesota, it was time to buy the Easter candy. You know? So it's different things like that. Plants don't really follow, you know, political boundaries, they follow, you know, ecosystem boundaries. And so the ecosystems, you can find the similar ecosystems all over. Now there, yes, there are certain plants that are hot weather plants or, uh, coastal saltwater, coastal plants that we don't have in Minnesota. But for the most part, a lot of the plants, if you look for the ecosystem, you'll find the plants. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:45): Okay. The other thing you kind of mentioned too, when we were talking a pre-show is that there are a lot more benefits to forging than just the nutrition or the medicinal purposes that we can pull out of the plants. Could you elaborate on that just a little bit? Yeah. Merriwether (12:03): Oh boy. Uh, yes. I'll try to keep it down to a little bit. This is one of my most passionate things here, but yeah, so yeah, the, the, the, the vitamins and minerals and medicinal properties and all that are great from the wild plants, but there's a whole nother level of health that people don't understand or don't realize. So I like to tell the, the problem with the world is it's flat now. We're not talking flat earth sort of thing. We're talking paved sidewalks, you know, tiles, all that. We did not evolve on a flat earth. We evolved on a slippery, slippery, you know, unbalanced, Rocky, tripping hazard sort of thing with things hunting us. So our brains, our bodies are designed to be out walking around on uneven ground and in doing so that requires a lot more mental action, which helps stimulate the brain and the brain needs stimulation. Merriwether (13:04): So by, you know, trying to keep our balance on uneven surfaces and so forth, our brain is much more engaged in what we're doing. One of the things they've found besides helping stave off dementia later in life, it also helps with, uh, things like, uh, attention deficit disorder and so forth because you, you are giving the brain, the input it evolved to get, if it's not getting that sort of input, it's like a cage beast and starting pacing. It starts finding ways to amuse itself. So when you're out walking on uneven ground, your brain is doing exactly what it was designed to do at the same time. You're looking, you're smelling all your senses are coming into play, right at the same time, your core muscles, you know, the people, you know, for exercise, they run on the treadmill. If you really want to exercise, go running across a Rocky field, you, uh, it takes a while, you know, or uneven. Merriwether (14:00): So pre-think, um, because again, as you are trying to maintain your balance in a really topsy turvy, slippery thing, your core muscles are getting a much stronger workout. You're getting a more full body workout. That's like right now, they have all these platforms where you stand on and they vibrate and so forth. They'd say it's, you know, to, to activate all the muscles. Well, you know, go for a walk in the Y you're going to get this. If you are crossing a, you know, a fallen tree over a stream, you are using a lot of muscles. You aren't losing and pushing a shopping cart down the HEB corridor. And especially if you're carrying stuff and you know, in Texas, obviously you're going to have a lot of water that you're carrying with you cause it's hot. So it's like a much more full body workout, bending. You're stretching, you're digging, you're climbing occasionally you're running like hell or Janie. It's a full body workout. It's not just picking things off a shelf in a grocery store. So that physical action and that mental action have amazingly good benefits for the body. Roy - Feeding Fatty (15:07): Yeah. And those are good points. The, um, actually I just posted an article on, uh, on another, um, a website that we've run that was talking about the, if you walk for certain periods of, I mean like a longer period of time, if you walk over consistently over about six years, I think they said it dramatically reduces their chances of Alzheimer's. So, you know, that's good to know. Uh, the other thing that I was thinking, as you were talking about that is, you know, I, I go exercise for the extra size benefit that I get my muscles and all of that. But the other thing that's interesting is when you're out either exercising or forging, uh, you're not eating. So for, you know, people that are trying to, trying to help their way, there's kind of like, it's a double benefit. You're getting the exercise, but you're not sitting in front of a TV, you know, eating as well. So, Merriwether (15:59): Well, I will say if you're forging, you're probably munching as you go, but it's going to be very low calorie stuff. It's easy to get vitamins and minerals and all that stuff. Calories is the hard part. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:12): Me and Terry were talking yesterday, uh, you know, we talked briefly about this, about, you know, can you, uh, you know, would it be hard for working people, you know, with a decent sized piece of land ordered, you know, to grow enough food or to forge enough to actually survive. And that was one thing, the point that you did bring up was that, yeah, we could get all the nutrients and everything we need, but the actual caloric intake would be very, very difficult to achieve. Merriwether (16:44): Yeah, you would probably the best clerk intake from an evolutionary point of view is animal fat and which doesn't store well. So you'd have to have some sort of batty animals growing there, you know, corn and so forth has some benefit, but really, yeah, you can do it if you are willing to do no 100% buy-in on the other hand, if I may, uh, giving 10% of your diet from the wild, pretty reasonable, even in city folk, there's, if I can go sideways for a second, a number of people say, Hey, I live in the city, everything has got to be contaminated. I can't eat any of the weeds. Well, actually they've done some really interesting studies looking at the potential contamination in urban plants, mainly up in Minneapolis, St. Paul and in Boston and a few other cities. And they found them to be clean. Merriwether (17:40): They don't have any of the pesticides, heavy metals, anything like that. There there'd be absolutely no reason a person couldn't eat them. Usually the main reasons are against it, like here in the state of Texas, uh, it's actually illegal to take a piece of plant material from a property. What not the property owner has permission. He needs to go back to the sheep and cattle Wars of the 18 hundreds, but, uh, city parks and things like that. Yeah. It's verboten to take plants from there. And part of that is if everyone starts doing that in States where they don't have laws against it, uh, they're finding, especially in the last five years, uh, the parks in places are getting stripped of plants because people are, you know, harvesting over. There's a thing called the tragedy of the commons. It's an economic theory that if there is an open space, that's open to everyone with the resource on it, whoever grabs that resource first is the one that benefits economically. And so there's always someone who is going to try and do that to better themselves rather than leave it forever. Roy - Feeding Fatty (18:44): Right. Right. So we've talked a lot about the nutritional, uh, side of this, but what about the medicinal side? I know, you know, back in the more ancient days, uh, we, they used a lot of plants, you know, for our medicine instead of, I guess, again, this is out of my league, but chemical compounds that, you know, that people figured that go together to solve this. So have we lost a lot of the, I guess the goodness of the medicinal? Merriwether (19:16): Yeah. Um, and there's a couple of different reasons that, so let's first talk. I mean, plants, they are loaded up with all sorts of compounds, all sorts of molecules that have proven biological effects in the human body, uh, up until about 1864, the, you know, it was plants were our medicine now, along with plants, hygiene plays a huge role in things. So one of the things to keep in mind, uh, you know, the, the increase in the ability to keep things clean and to sterilize wounds and the understanding that you have to keep things clean, played a big role in human health, but plants were a big deal. Uh, and you know, going back tens of thousands of years, uh, really they, they say the first scientists were probably the herbalists of the tribe, where they were, you know, you know, someone was sick, they'd throw something, you know, some plant at it and Hey, the person got better. Merriwether (20:15): Uh, you might be familiar with Euell Gibbons. He was wild food, you know, from the sixties and seventies, but anyways, eat a pine tree. He wrote a, he wrote a book called, uh, stocking the, the healthful herb. And his theory was that a large part of the medicinal benefit of wild plants was actually due to their increased nutritional value, getting more vitamins, you're getting more vitamin a, you know, that sort of thing. And so he did a lot of studies looking at nutritional value of wild edible plants. Well, that ended up coloring the, the scientists approach to the disenroll plants. They thought, yeah, it's just, it's just vitamins minerals. There's no real true medicinal value to it. But in the eighties they started going, well, let's just take a look at it. It's because there's a lot of traditional use and there seems to be something going on. Merriwether (21:12): And since then it, they really did find, yeah, there are molecules that do this and that increase in nitric oxide, which lowers blood pressure, you know, increases neural growth, the neural connections in the brain, all sorts of things that speeds up the processing of the liver stimulates the immune system. There are compounds that do that in the plants. And so that's kind of re awoken the whole looking at traditional medicine saying, yeah, there's something there. Yeah. I mentioned the date 1864. That was when the first chemist came up with a synthetic medicine chloral hydrate, which was used as a sedative as a, you know, kind of like an ether sort of thing for people undergoing, uh, operations or surgeries, that sort of thing that was kind of at the time of enlightenment when scientists said, Hey, you know what, we have this power now. And as a chemist, uh, I'm speaking for my tribe here. Merriwether (22:07): We have this pot. We can make that. One of the issues with nature is with the wild plants, the amount of the compound varies some from plant to plant and ecosystem and all that. So there was, there was some hit or miss the plants had power, but it was hard to get an absolute reproducible thing. So scientists said, Hey, if we make the molecule, then we know exactly how much is in there and we can fine tune it and all that sort of thing. And so that whole let's search for, for synthetic forms occurred. So that was a big push. Another thing, if you think about it, the collecting the plants, storing the plants, turning them into medicine, that's very labor intensive. It requires a lot of time on regards, a lot of effort to do it on a mass scale. And so as the population grew, it became impossible. If you think, uh, you know, monoculture, a lot of the, the farming right now is designed so that it can be harvested by machine, right? And so that's, that's not always possible with a lot of the medicinal plants, especially once, you know, that are wild. And so it just became easier and more cost efficient to find a molecule synthesize that molecule and say, here you go, here's the molecule rather than the whole plant. So, Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:32): So they're kind of brought up a good, um, a distinction in the medicinal side about, um, I guess being a preemptive versus, you know, after something happens. And a lot of times we think, well, I'll say, I think of, you know, medicinal purposes as something happens, you're sick. You take something to treat it, to make you feel better, but I guess we could kind of look at that from some things you said as more preempting, if we eat these things that may prevent us from getting, getting sick, Merriwether (24:10): I have to be careful because the FDA has certain rules about what you can and can't say, uh, yeah. Um, yeah, not allowed to say like plants will prevent diseases, but they can stimulate the immune system. They could, you know, people seem to have forgotten lately that they have an immune system. In fact, they have two immune systems. They have the innate and the active, the innate is the ones that are constantly patrolling the body, looking for invaders to try and get rid of it. And then the active is if the innate feels it's getting overwhelmed, they can't handle it. It releases the dogs of war, the killer white blood cells to attack the things that have tags. And there are plants that will both support the innate and the active, uh, speed up, especially in the case of the white blood cells, speed up the response time and the number of white blood cells that the body produces to attack invaders. Merriwether (24:59): So going back to the caveman lifestyle, um, looking at the bone said, yeah, the average life span was 40 years, right? Because by then you've suffered probably some sort of injury. You fell off a mountain near, you know, something like that. Uh, so, you know, but a lot of the plants help with what, uh, are generally considered lifestyle diseases. Um, we spent a lot more time as cavemen than we did in the modern world. And our body is still designed to deal with the caveman threats in the caveman issues. You know, is there something that they're going to eat me? Oh, have calories. Let's take all the calories we can because we may not find them tomorrow. Right. And so that's how we're programmed to respond to threats and also foods. I mean, they've shown that there are sensors in our stomach when you get sugar, it sends a signal to the brain that says, Hey, this stuff, eat more of it because you don't know when you're going to get it again. Well, yeah, we're going to get again in an hour, but the caveman it's, it's like, this is a miracle. Um, so by incorporating the, the plants of our ancestors that does help, you know, give the body what it thinks it needs, what it evolved, needing, what it evolved to using, to maintain its health and, you know, corn products, not so much corn. It was a pretty recent invention as far as the human racism involved, but we get a lot of corn in her diet, not as a lot of wild, not so, and Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:44): Not that, not that there wasn't fish and beef and the animals back in that day, but I just assume, you know, they were harder to catch, like you said, they could run plants couldn't. And so, um, I just figured that's why a lot of the diet, uh, ancient diets were built around plants. They were just easier to, easier to go out and capture them than an animal that was moving. Merriwether (27:10): Yeah. You know, I talked about, uh, calories. I make a big deal though. If you've ever watched the history channel alone, you know, it's basically the hunger games who can manage their calories the most here in Texas, West Texas, the native Americans had what they called second harvest. So they would eat a prickly pear, cactus, fruit loaded with seeds. The next day they would go through their feces, find the digested seeds and consumed them again because they, they were trying to squeeze every calorie they could out of the environment. Delicious. We got water burgers so much better, much better. Roy - Feeding Fatty (27:51): Well, the other thing, uh, a little bit may be off topic, but the, you know, I think our bodies are still on that. Not maybe not as much caveman as just the agrarian society, you know, that we were for so long, we wake up at, you know, when the sun comes up, we're out working, moving all day and then, you know, we go to bed, whereas now, you know, I get up and walk 10 feet to my desk and I'm like, I have to take a, I have to take a break. Cause I'm winded. You know, it was like, uh, you know, we just don't have the, um, the activity, we've got a lot more, you know, we just have access to these high caloric foods. And then of course the awesome shifts that we have today, you know, they jazz those up even more. But I think that's, uh, am I wrong in thinking that, you know, it's probably a good thing that, you know, plants can make a comeback because you know, we're not in as much need for the calories as we were, you know, at one time when we were out plowing the fields behind a horse. Merriwether (28:58): Yeah. And you're right. They did a study that 150 years ago, people were eating about the same number of calories as they are now, but they were rail thin because they were burning them up. Right. 80% of the population in the United States was agricultural based, you know, farming, growing, plowing, all that sort of thing. Right. And so there was a lot just more movement and activity and thought. Yeah. So sitting behind a desk is bad for us. So, um, yeah, my belief, the closer your foods are to what you evolved, eating the better your body is gonna respond to it, as opposed to some, you know, frozen TV or frozen burrito or something like that. A lot of process things, you know, there's, there's some real food there, but at least having part of your diet, it's still back to what we evolved with. Yeah. It has benefits. Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:50): Yeah. And what we have found I think is, uh, as we have become more aware of everything, it's just the, some of it is the basic control over what we put in our bodies is when you buy, the more pack is in preprocess. I mean, you can look at the label, but there's, who knows what some of that stuff is. And then, uh, you know, now we can control, you know, better salt, salt, I guess we'll look take that, you know, kind of the big one, a lot of processed food has tons and tons of salt. And so we are able to control that much better when we're cooking and doing things ourself. Merriwether (30:27): Right. Yeah. And it's easy to use a lot of wild foods. I, maybe I mentioned it, but the average person can probably get 10% of their food from the wild, you know, between their house, their neighbors down the street, things like that, you know, add to your salads, you know, you're out, uh, it's funny in my, my, my neighborhood there's 800 houses. And when someone new moves in, they're told about me and said, okay, there's this guy, he may knock on your door and asked to eat something from your yard. He's harmless. Yeah. But on the other hand, now, if someone needs something, I'm the guy that they, Hey, does anyone have, you know, the, the, the branch for installing a faucet? Oh yeah. They have it. You know? And so it's, it's like the neighborhood color, I dunno. Centered database. Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:21): Well, Mary, whether that, uh, Merriwether (31:24): I'm sorry. Can I interject something? Okay. Can, can you talk a little bit about medicine man plant company? Oh yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So, like I said, after years of just treating myself and through the classes and so forth, I finally, uh, was able to expand out into commercial products. Uh, so January of 2020, we started medicine man, plant co, uh, and then the apocalypse hit, but what these are are. So we have like the liver pill, which is burdock root and milk thistle and flax seed. Uh, there's a lot of scientific support for burdock root speeding up the, uh, action of the liver. The milk the soul has, uh, found to maintain the integrity of liver cells under attack. If you eat a poisonous mushroom, the, uh, the only thing they have right now to treat that, uh, the liver damage caused by that. Merriwether (32:21): Cause it's usually what mushrooms do is they talk to the liver, uh, is a milk thistle extract. So we got that in here. Then the flax seed is in there to increase the bio availability. Um, I'll tell you right now, and I may get in trouble. A lot of herbal supplements. Their main product is really urine. So you want to make sure the plants are set up to maximize the bioavailability, the bio absorption, and we have the immune pill and it's hard to focus there. So this has the elderberry of the [inaudible]. Both of them shown to support the innate and active immune system, the cell field, which helps block the viruses from getting into cells. And then also cordyceps mushroom, which is a immune modulator. So if the immune system does start getting out of control, you might've heard of thing called a cytokine storm. Merriwether (33:18): Uh, there can be a help tamp it down some to keep it, you know, at the appropriate response, not too much, but also not too little. And then vitamin C and most people think vitamin C, but we threw it in here because vitamin C is actually the messenger molecule between the innate and the active immune system. And so if you're lacking in vitamin C, because it's used in so many different other processes in the body, uh, your innate it's kind of actually down low on the list of who gets to use it. And so if you don't have enough, it can't send the signal. It needs to the, uh, active form brain pill, lion's mane mushrooms, Sage Gingko, leaf increases, blood flow increases, neural connection, uh, and increases, focus, and attention. Of course, the moneymaker, the libido pill, we can probably have to go to detail. Merriwether (34:09): Um, and of course, like I said, they, the FDA says, you know, uh, um, it's the morning needed to do, to do, um, we can edit, okay. These statements have not been evaluated by the food and drug administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. So, whereas the individual plants have been tested because the actual product has not, we can't make specific medical claims, but we can save the plants. And if you go to the website, I have all the scientific documentation as a scientist. I need the proof. So hopefully I didn't go too long on that. Roy - Feeding Fatty (34:49): I think it's a, it's an important distinction to make that, uh, you know, you're not a guy that woke up yesterday and said, Hey, I think I'm going to crush some plants and package them up. And so, I mean, the, you know, the PhD and, and tell us what that is, what yours is in again, I think it's in the, okay. Merriwether (35:05): Yeah. Physical, organic chemistry. So, you know, like not making molecules, figuring out which molecule you need to accomplish a task. Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:13): Right. Right. And, and on that note, Roy was saying that he needed to find energy. What do you suggest for energy? What helps with energy? Merriwether (35:24): Yeah. So, okay. There's two ways of approach it. Uh, so going back to the Burdoch word, uh, burdock root has been shown to speed up the process of the liver. When you are active in working you, your muscles are producing lactic acid. It's a waste product of the action. And so the lactic acid is removed from the blood by the liver. There's an equilibrium that sets up though, the, the muscles can only get rid of the lactic acid acid at a certain rate, because at a point the blood kind of becomes saturated with it. So the more quickly you can get rid of it by the liver, the longer your muscles can eject the lactic acid. So there's a lot of, of, uh, data that shows the burdock root helps with overall physical endurance and strength, because it helps, uh, prevent the fatigue that occurs in the muscles as they're working something. I also really like is a mixture of tumeric, cayenne pepper, and black pepper. I put that on my eggs every morning. I have a shaker and I put that on because that has been also shown to kinda increase metabolism, which has send you your SIS and blood flow. So you need the black pepper in there with the tumeric and the cayenne pepper to make those more bio absorbed. Merriwether (36:49): Yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:50): Because I had been, um, this has been a few years ago, I'd started taking the tumeric, um, supplement. And then, you know, when we kind of started getting back to cooking more and paying more attention, we actually got it in the, uh, the ground form where, like you said, we can add it to the food. And I just felt like I was getting a better quality and more equal distribution, you know, than taking the supplement. So, um, I've been very happy with that, but mixing it with the black pepper and the CA and the cayenne we'll check that out. Merriwether (37:23): Yeah. So you're like 50% tumeric, 50%, uh, cayenne pepper and just about 10%. So I guess you could say 45%, 45% and 5%, 10%, 10% of the black pepper. You only need a little bit of black pepper mixed in with it. So it tastes really good. Perfect. All right. Yeah. I wrote that down. That's cool. Ooh, can I give one other caveman a tip? Okay. So going back to the brain, uh, one of the things that the human race evolved doing was throwing things at stuff, and it's been showing that that helps the brain a lot and still do well. But, uh, juggling learning to juggle is great. Both exercise and for your brain. So interesting something to do. You spend 15 minutes a day juggling, so okay. As exercise for your brain and your body, and then eventually you get on like a, a ball and do it there. Yeah. You get the full body workout. Don't do it in the kitchen though. When you're first learning someplace less breakable Speaker 4 (38:34): There. Huh? Roy - Feeding Fatty (38:38): I can't believe I'm even going to say this, but the other day, the other day at lunch, uh, I turned the TV on, in the Beverly hillbillies was on and they were all excited. They were going to parade where they had a possum juggler. So I guess when you get, when you get, they get really good at it, you can not try juggling possibly, I guess. There we go. All right. Merriwether, uh, any, anything else Terry, before we wrap up? Terry - Feeding Fatty (39:04): Uh, no, I think that's it. I mean, it just, I'm so glad that you shared about the medicine man plant company. Um, well, just all of the information that you gave us, lots of food, food for thought and body and soul Roy - Feeding Fatty (39:22): Tell everybody how they can reach out and get a hold of you and get in touch with the medicine man plant company as well. Merriwether (39:29): Sure. So the website is medicine, man, plant code.com. And then on Facebook, of course, Facebook medicine, man, plant code.com. Uh, I also have the website for gene, Texas. DubDubDub for gene, texas.com. It has over 225 plants, uh, with all sorts of pictures and information and maps, both of Texas and of all of North America, because it's become, you know, nationwide sort of thing. So you can look up on there, I'm in the process of revamping it, cause it was started before smartphones. Um, but my goal for 28, you know, the first quarter of 2021 is to make it a lot more smartphone friendly. Well, yeah, you can find me there. And if you send an email to medicine, man, plant kill, I'm the guy that answers it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (40:16): Yeah. Before we get too far away from that, uh, why don't you tell us, uh, what are the forging classes? You know, how often do you do them work? And I'm sure you can find out more information on the website, but just tell us a little bit more about what's involved in those. Merriwether (40:31): Okay. So the most of them will be a four hour excursion across some piece of property. They're usually hosted by historic sites or state parks or other organizations, museums. The list of upcoming class can be found on the 4g in Texas. It's mainly in Minnesota or sorry, mainly in Texas. Uh, but then I go up to Minnesota at least once a year. And I'm also talking to some people out in Georgia, things like that, Louisiana. So we're expanded. Um, so he actually me Roy - Feeding Fatty (41:03): We'll add it to the field and uh [inaudible] Merriwether (41:08): Yeah. Cause a lot of people, there's, there's a fear factor. They look at a plant and they're like 80%, you know, someone can really looks, but you know, and so, you know, I take that and say, okay, here's, you know, we look at all the structures, look at your reason, this is the plan. Go ahead and need it. And you know, I encourage people, uh, really it's best if you have like two or three people along, so one can taking notes and one can be videoing at all. Cause you want to go back and look at a lot of this stuff, but yeah, it's four hours wandering around talking about the plants, but you can see that you can eat what you shouldn't eat. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (41:48): That was awesome. That sounded like a great excursion. So, uh, if y'all would just take some time to go over to the websites and uh, check out Merriwether and all the great things that he's got going on. And we certainly, again appreciate you taking time out of your day to be with us. It's been a very interesting and in a, in lightening talk for sure. Mark. Thank you. So I like to talk about, Terry - Feeding Fatty (42:10): Can't tell, hide that. Well, Roy - Feeding Fatty (42:15): All right guys, well, that's going to be it for us today. Uh, you can find us of course, at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Of course we are on, uh, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and this will, uh, when this episode goes live, of course we will have the video up on YouTube. So check us out. And uh, we're always open to suggestions for a new and different topics. If you're a professional that deals in the fitness, nutrition, uh, arena, you know, can help people out with their journeys on becoming healthier. We'd love to hear from you. So until next time, take care of each other and take care of yourself. Okay. Terry - Feeding Fatty (42:54): I'm Terry. Bye. Thank you. www.feedingfatty.com
Meditation and Hypnosis with Doug Sands Welcome to Anywhere Hypnosis! My name is Doug Sands, and I'm a consulting hypnotist who works with clients all over the globe. All of my techniques are tailor-made to use online or via phone. I built Anywhere Hypnosis for two kinds of people: those who love to travel, and those who love the convenience of hypnosis wherever they want it. www.anywherehypnosis.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy Harry. So this is show we, you know, we try to bring a wide variety of, uh, speakers and topics concerning health wellness, physical fitness, uh, it's a wide spectrum that we do. And today we're fortunate enough to have Doug Sans as our guest. He is a consulting hypnotist who has helps adventurous people all over the world, overcome fear and anxiety. Doug is also the host of making meaning podcast. This show interviews, top adventures to, to learn how they've built their ideal life and to inspire listeners, to start building their own. Doug, thanks a lot for taking time out of your day and welcome. Doug (00:50): Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:52): Awesome. Um, you know, we all need to learn how to live our best lives and while COVID has, uh, you know, it's been definitely hard on people, uh, financially and, you know, we've had deaths and illness and all that. Uh, you know, one thing I have seen is a lot of people, uh, practicing a lot more gratitude now and also, uh, you know, being thankful and maybe wanting to restructure their lives in order to make some, you know, these more, uh, changes that we've seen lately. And so, um, you know, I think it's very timely to have you on here to talk about, you know, how can we build our ideal life and, um, also talk about the, the, uh, hypnotic aspect. I think we are both very interested in that as well. Yeah. So, um, how did, how did you, how did you find yourself, um, you know, helping, I guess, in the hypnotist role, but then also, you know, talking to adventure, some people to try to help with the, you know, build the ideal life. How did you, how did you find this space? Doug (02:00): I think it's only when we look back that we see that through line of how everything really connected, and that was my story. Like I never started life wanting to be a hypnotist. It wasn't my number one career goal. I started life wanting to be wanting to be a fiction author. And at first that's, that seems like very disconnected things, but I've learned that hypnosis and, um, psychology, they, they are so rooted in, uh, language and just how we use that language. So that was kind of my first foundation in that, but I grew up in rural Wisconsin where there's not a lot of adventure to be had, and I knew that I wanted more out of life. And for me personally, I always felt like I w I don't want to say a victim of life, but I felt like it was in the backseat of my own life. Doug (02:49): Like other people were making my decisions and I was just kind of going along with it. And it wasn't until I believe 2015 the year I was in college. And I decided that it was not for me. And so I ended up dropping out and I moved across the country to do some seasonal work. And I started feeling this fulfillment that I was looking for and having these Austin ventures, but I was still having those troubles. I'd been, I had been diagnosed at an early age with mental illness, like depression and anxiety, and I was trying to overcome that. And it wasn't until I had a pretty dangerous hike in New Hampshire where I nearly froze to death, that I had enough of a push to really search for things that were out of the ordinary. I grew up in a very Christian household and meditation and hypnosis were so far out of left field. Doug (03:41): I hadn't even considered that. So I discovered meditation and I started learning more about that. And I was hooked. I mean, it was the first time I realized I was able to have an influence over my own emotion and for a meditation. And, uh, adventuring, I realized that I had, I was in the driver's seat of my own life, whether I wanted to, or not what, what, you know, and by doing that, by learning more about meditation, I discovered hypnosis because there's a very strong link, you know, looking at the brain, we had patterns behind them. Okay. And when I discovered the, the rudimentary, when I discovered how I was able to make changes with the rudimentary tools that I had, I knew that I had to get certified and I had to help bring this to other people who might also be suffering. Terry - Feeding Fatty (04:31): Interesting. So the, so you were diagnosed with depression and anxiety and all of that. So you were just looking for a way to maybe get away from the medication and help help with, um, everything else. Um, and, um, I had something on the tip of my dog and I lost it. Uh, so they're just both linked very, I mean, the meditation is what led you to the hypnosis part of it. Um, how did you, how did you learn more about the hypnosis part of it? Doug (05:10): I did. So I heard the link between the two of them on a podcast of all things. And, um, I was, I was Googling things on hypnosis and how to, how to learn it. There's a bunch of different schools of hypnosis that you can go through a bunch of different trainers, but what really took off for me was a, another podcast. There's a hypnotist out of Toronto who runs a very famous podcast. His name is Mike Mendell, and I just absorbed everything I could. And when I finally went to my hypnosis training, I was amazed how much I learned, like I already had a very strong foundation just from listening to the podcast. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (05:47): Yeah. They're just really, there really is so much information about, you know, where do you know where to start? You know, how do you know where to start? You know? So like a little one Oh one Roy - Feeding Fatty (05:58): Hypnosis, maybe from you, everything that you've learned. No. Yeah. We might be kind of debunk the myth that, you know, I hate to say this, but we all have the, uh, you know, that cartoonish image of the watch waving back and forth. And then, uh, the not the, I don't know what you call them, but the person being hypnotized, you know, they fall over and then we clap twice and you have total control of them. So we can kind of debunk that myth a little bit as well. Yeah. Doug (06:32): People always ask me, uh, you know, some very common questions. One is hypnosis, mind control, and two is, it's a dangerous and three, am I going to get stuck? Those are probably the three most common ones that I experienced and hypnosis as mind control that idea. I mean, it's been perpetuated by, um, by these comedians, these comedic hypnosis shows, but I always have to remind people that the people who volunteered to be on that stage willingly chose to be there. That was part of that unspoken agreement that, you know, you might come up here and do some ridiculous things. When a person comes in for a therapy or change session, they're not expecting to do those things. And so they just don't happen when you're working with someone in hypnosis, you are essentially communicating with their unconscious mind, the part of them that keeps them safe, whether it's emotionally or when they step on the street. Doug (07:29): And they jumped back before the bus hits them. It's that part that is looking to keep you safe always. And if at any time in hypnosis, you give a suggestion to someone that their mind doesn't agree with. It's either going to ignore that suggestion, or it's going to bring them out of hypnosis because you've broken that trust, just like, uh, just like therapy and talk therapies are built on trust. Hypnosis is heavily built on trust because you're, you're putting yourself in that vulnerable state, in that relaxed state. Um, and so your unconscious mind is essentially on high alert just to keep you safe. That's the first one, that second idea of, um, hypnosis as, Oh, I lost what the second one was, but the third one was, um, hypnosis. You know, what if I get stuck in hypnosis and that's, that's not physically possible because we mentioned that talking about, um, the unconscious mind, keeping you safe. And when you're in hypnosis, your unconscious mind is monitoring your heart valves, your lung functions, your liver enzymes. It's going to wake you up eventually because you're going to need to use the bathroom or go get some food, or I don't know, get out of the room or something. It's not physically possible. The longest time that I've seen someone really stayed hypnosis after, uh, after I just stopped giving them suggestion was about 10 minutes because they had just kind of a woke from it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:57): So now are you in a better, I don't know, a better word, like a cat, a cat, a catatonic state where like, your eyes are closed and somebody might, you might appear sleep, or are you wide-eyed or kind of, how is that for the person that's being hypnotized? Doug (09:15): Yeah. So looking at the, looking at the brain wave patterns, when you're hitting hypnosis, you're going into a feta frequency, which is that frequency just above sleep. So you, so you're looking like you're asleep because you're very relaxed and, uh, your, your mind is constantly consciously, um, processing. Every single thing that was being said, a lot of people think that once you go into hypnosis, you're not gonna remember anything, but that's not true because if you can't hear what the hypnotist is saying, you're not going to be in here. Right. Yeah. And for Ben and for anyone who has never experienced with gnosis before I often tell them that it feels like a guided meditation, because they're very similar in the brainwave patterns, or it feels like that moments right before you fall asleep, when you are very relaxed and perhaps you're dreaming of very creative things, because your mind is actually dropping through that same frequency in that moment. Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:15): Okay. So now, you know, you said earlier that to be hypnotized, you need to be a willing participant. And so I guess, are there people that that will not go under? I mean, are they fighting it subconsciously or can you pretty much hit Mathais anybody? Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:35): Yeah. Doug (10:37): I believe that anyone can be hypnotized because they are constantly doing it to themselves, whether it's highway hypnosis or something, getting lost in a good book or a good movie, or being in that flow state, like think of the last time you watched a TV show or something, you didn't remember the color of the rug underneath your feet, or what was going on in the corners of the room. You were only focused on that image and it felt like you were kind of inside it. You were a part of it. You were invested that in and of itself is a very light state of hypnosis. And to be hypnotized, you know, formerly with a hypnotist, you do have to be in that receptive state where you actually wants to be hypnotized because otherwise you're not going to trust the person. And you're just, it's not going to happen. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:24): And do people when they, I'm sorry. So, so do people, um, I would see, I would think I'm like, I'm always wanted to do it. I've been very curious, um, you know, curious about it. And, and then I start thinking, Oh, they can't do it to me. I am impenetrable. I can't, you know, do people come in and does that mess up the mojo of everything? I mean, that just me, people often Doug (11:55): People often call it to me and they're like, I can't be hypnotized because I have a very strong mind and a very strong imagination. And I tell them that makes you the best candidate for hypnosis because the people who don't believe they're their posse, they're really going to go into gnosis. I find they're the best subjects, because they've got such a strong ability to focus and in such a strong imagination, all you really need for hypnosis is that ability to focus on something to the exclusion of all else. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (12:31): So now, um, I guess the, a couple of questions is, do you need to be in the same room? Can you actually do this through video or through a phone? And then, uh, I hate to even bring this up, but like the whole watch, is there something that you do physically, or is this just something that you kind of talk out, talk out with them? Doug (12:56): So I built my hypnosis business from the very start to be completely online. So you absolutely can do it online. That's, that's what I'm doing full time. But I do find when you are in, in person, there are a lot of little finesse kind of tools that you can use. Um, but it's definitely not required. Okay. Uh, what's your, what you're talking about, the, the swinging pocket watch, that's what we call an induction and induction is just to get you to that deep fate of state. Yeah. Uh, the swing, your pocket watch, that's just kind of a myth. No one actually does that, except maybe a few States with this, but, um, there are some physical inductions that you can do, like lifting a person's hand or, um, bringing in that kinesthetic bodily States. But it definitely doesn't have to be that because the majority, I'd say 95% of hypnosis is all about those language patterns. And when I can't get on a zoom call with someone, I will absolutely do it over the phone. I mean, it helps to be able to see their reaction because that lets me know how far they're going into it, but it's definitely something you can do online and over the phone. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (14:09): Yeah. And we had had a conversation the other day about some things. And, uh, I think one thing you mentioned is that again, a lot, so many people, and I'm one, you know, the only thing I have to compare this to is what I've seen on TV, which they usually dramatic. Dramaticized it as well as, uh, you know, kind of, uh, the comical side of it as well. But the true hypnosis is not, uh, you know, just like myself, uh, you know, w have an eating problem and love to do eat overeat. And I exercise enough, but in order to be effective, it's not, you can put me out and then change my whole behavior. And then I wake up tomorrow and all of a sudden I'm eating broccoli and running five miles or something like that. This is a, it's still a change of behavior, which takes time. Can you kind of explain that a little bit more? Doug (15:10): Of course, yeah. Hypnosis is one of the most rapid ways that we can make changes, but you still have to be in that state where you're ready to make that change. Right. We call this the idea of threshold and until a person reaches that moment, they're not actually going to commit to that change. And so threshold is ideal. An idea with three parts, you have to be able to congruently say to yourself, one, something needs to change two. It has to be me that makes that change. And three, it has to be right now. And until someone can actively say those three things and believe it, it's not going to happen. Like, for me, in my own example, I had known about meditation for years before that hike, but it wasn't until I had that rock bottom moment that I knew something needed to change that I actively let it into my life. Doug (16:03): And so looking at perhaps weight loss meds or hypnosis, they have to be ready to lose the weight. They have to be willing. I see a lot of people coming into, or I should say reaching out to me, um, who were like, I just want you to make the wave, the magic hypnosis wand and make me lose 50 pounds. But it's not that at all, it's about me helping you to change your beliefs and your identities. And some of those things can be difficult to wrap your head around if you're not in that mind frame. Right. I mean, yeah, when we, I give the classic example of a, a woman who finds out she's pregnant and instantly stopped smoking or drinking cold Turkey, that's a perfect example of threshold. I mean, once you're in that state, the change is relatively easy to make, but so much of what I do is about helping people get through that state. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:58): Okay. So this is kind of a rabbit hole, but you brought it up again. Is your hike where you actually, were you hiking? The presidential mountains? Doug (17:12): I was, I was in the, um, I was living in Bretton woods at the AAMC Highland center. And that specific hike where I got lost was the Lafayette Ridge, but, uh, the white mountains in the presidential range, they're closest dear to my heart. So love the place. Roy - Feeding Fatty (17:28): Yeah, just a side note. I did, you know, I lived in a Northern mass for awhile and got interested in that because of some of the highest clocked winds have been, uh, clocked on one of the presidential mountains. And then I, I don't know, there was a story about a young lady who actually froze to death up there in June or July. They went hike and got up to the top. And, uh, and these aren't like super, uh, elevations, I think, six, 8,000 feet somewhere in there. And then she ended up, uh, freezing to death with the freak snow storm that came through in the summit. Anyway, none of that, it's just interesting that you said that. So, um, so I think the other thing too is because, and it's not just hitting the test. I mean, it's anybody, uh, I can hang a shingle out and say that, you know, I am a brain surgeon or a chiropractor, and you're not going to figure that out until I really kinda mess you up. So, um, if somebody was wanting to choose a hypnotist, so how would they go about that? Making sure that they're reputable, good match. Uh, and I don't know if P if, if, if it's hypnotist in general or, you know, if some, uh, may be focused on different aspects of changing behavior. Doug (18:47): Yeah. I actually spoke about this with a pharmacist on one of her podcasts recently. Um, and she was asking if there was like some central board behind hypnosis and there, there isn't yet because unlike unlike doctors and social workers and these really well-established fields, there, aren't a lot of hypnotists, I think worldwide, there's some people who say it's as low as 17,000. Some people say it's like, I dunno, a hundred thousand, there aren't enough hypnotists to make it worthwhile for a government to put out the bureaucracy and the manpower to regulate it. Yet. There are some hypnosis boards though, who have done this independently. Um, whether there are a couple in the U S I think there's one major one in the UK, and there's a bunch in Europe. Um, for someone who's looking for a hypnotist that they know is actually going to help them change. Doug (19:44): I've got some recommendations. Okay. Uh, there are, there are a lot of bad hypnotists out there, and I don't, I don't say bad as in, like, they're going to mess you up or, um, steal your money or anything. Like, they're just not very skilled because as you say, there's no central board of hypnosis. And so there's, it's, it's a kind of low bar to get into. I would S I recommend that they first look at their website. Is it professional? Is it, you know, does it look like someone just slapped it up there? Uh, I would look for their publications, um, look for if it just is published anywhere else besides their website, if they've got a podcast, or if they've got, um, publications in a local paper or even a national paper, that's a really good sign. Um, I would also look at a hypnotist who specializes in something because hypnosis hypnotists can be generalists. Doug (20:39): And I've seen hypnotists who, uh, do everything from weight loss to stopping smoking, to, um, ending anxiety. And they even a plumbing business out of the back of their garage. And so look for someone who really specializes and hones in on something. And then most scientists will give you that 15 minutes conversation to talk about what you want to come in for free, take that and trust your gut. If you get a very bad feeling from a hypnotist, like they're not going to help you go to someone else. And if you're in a rural area where there's only one hypnotist or no hypnotists, you're not stuck with that one option. There are so many habitus online. I mean, personally, I've built it from the start to be online. And so that's what I specialize in. But even now in 2020, like the major players in hypnosis who were only brick and mortar are now going into that online field, the options now for hypnosis are so vast. Yeah. Little did you know that was going to, Oh my gosh. That was a great, great way to structure your hypnosis practice. Absolutely. Yeah. I got lucky on that one. I built it that way to be able to travel, but this year with 2020, um, it, it really, really saved me. Roy - Feeding Fatty (21:59): So you, uh, you know, you talked about the, kind of the trust and connection, and I assume that we could approach this like a therapist is, I mean, you, you don't want somebody that's just gonna roll over for you and say yes to everything, but you, you really need to look to somebody that you kind of have that connection that you feel like you can trust in order to make this the most effective. Doug (22:27): Absolutely. Absolutely. So that brings up the idea of rapport and you see it in therapy and you see it in hypnosis. If you don't trust a person, if you don't like that person, it's not going to work, or it's not going to work as effectively. Right. And you can tell when you're in rapport with a professional, like a hypnotist who you were talking with in that first 15 minutes, if you are well, let's, let's use the example of a dinner conversation. You meet a friend for dinner, and you're just really engrossed in their story. And every time they, they laugh, you're laughing. And every time they take a drink of water, perhaps you take a drink of water because you're mirroring their body language unconsciously. I would say that when you were trying to tell if you're going to be a good fit for hypnotist, trust your gut, because your unconscious mind already knows whether that person is like you enough. And if you're going to trust them enough to go into hypnosis. Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:30): So, uh, I guess the best, uh, the other thing I was going to say is the best directory, I guess, that we can do is just do a local search, but, uh, or, uh, I mean, a Google search. And now that we do understand that you don't have to be local, that kind widens the, uh, your prospects that you can take the time to look around and find somebody that you really feel like you should, uh, like you really connect with. So you can build that rapport and trust. Doug (23:58): Absolutely. Absolutely. Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:00): So, you know, we've talked about general behaviors, uh, I guess let's talk about some, um, specific things, you know, we can talk about weight loss, stopping smoking. What are some other, um, things that you, maybe not, you personally, well, as a million ask you, do you have a specific focus first off, and then if you do, or, you know, even if you do, what are some other things that other, uh, hypnotist may be able to help with? Doug (24:29): Yeah. So I focus on dealing with anxiety. That's my number one thing. That's what I personally resonate with. I also, as a secondary thing, do a lot of weight loss hypnosis. And the amazing thing about hypnosis is that once you learn the, uh, once you learn the tools and everything behind it, as long as you know, the structure and the psychology of what you're trying to change, you can use it on almost any problem. And that's why you see a lot of nurses, generalists. Yeah. Um, so I typically don't advertise for things like, um, I don't know, irritable bowel syndrome or nailbiting or things like that are very niche because anxiety is my big one. Yeah. But when someone comes to me and if they've worked with me before, or if they've just heard of some of my content, and they're really in a good they're trusting of me, then I will work with them for that issue. The one issue that I don't really work with, that everyone knows that those for is smoking. Because I find that when people sign up for that session, they're in that state, they're like, I'm ready to drop this habit. And then the sessions now for like two to three weeks, and then they show up for the session and it's like, well, I already bought this thing. So I guess I'll, I'll try it and see what happens. They're not in that state anymore. And so Roy - Feeding Fatty (25:46): Up smoking smoke one last cigarette while we're talking, Doug (25:52): You got it. Exactly. So, uh, there, there's some very big ones like mental illness and phobias and fears, uh, weight loss, uh, smoking. Uh, but there are also some very niche things. Like I mentioned, irritable bowel syndrome. That's actually been studied by the university of Michigan, I believe as an effective treatment for that. Uh, it's even used to treat cancer. It's approved by the national cancer Institute as a treatment modality. So really if, I mean, if you're curious, if whatever you've got, whether that's emotional or physical is treatable with hypnosis and just reach out because I guarantee a hypnotist can give you an honest answer of whether or not that's going to be effective. Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:33): So you mentioned a research from the, Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, no. There's just a little bit of delay. I didn't mean to, sorry, go ahead. I know, sorry. Terry - Feeding Fatty (26:44): I don't like that. No, I was just going to say, I didn't realize, you know, the irritable, irritable bowel and in that cancer, I didn't realize that, um, you know, how the, how hypnosis that helped with, with that, is it just the, um, internal, I mean, how does it, how did that work? Doug (27:01): Yeah, so hypnosis works both with the mind and the physical aspect of those, those issues. So like irritable bowel syndrome, part of it is mental. Part of it is the cues and triggers that we've taught ourselves to, to follow. But it's also partly physical and gnosis is about communicating with the unconscious mind that part of you that runs your stomach and your, your organs and that part of you speaks in, in visualization and in emotions, it doesn't speak in language like you and I speak with. And so hypnosis is a very effective way to communicate with that in its own language. And so in the example of cancer, you can show, or I should say you can encourage a, um, a body to be more perceptive on what specific cells are cancer cells and what are healthy cells and by training or by hyper-focusing your body's aim, its target state. You can really let it do its own work and just give it direction on what you want it to do. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:12): Hmm. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:14): So you mentioned some research from the university of Michigan. I think that that's another thing is like, if there's somebody that's interested, but skeptical, can you point them to some bodies of, you know, academic research that they could go look at and maybe feel a little bit, I know that's kind of a, uh, off the wall question, but, uh, you know, sometimes people feel better reading some research in order to feel more comfortable moving forward with it. And if you don't know any, that's fine. We may, uh, you know, offline get some and post on the show notes. Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:53): Yeah. Doug (28:57): Well, in any case, I definitely can talk about the, the science behind hypnosis. I mean, it's been studied for over 50 years Bay back in 1982, the British medical association actually approved it as a treatment modality. And it's actually went further and said that all doctors should, um, take 144 hours of hypnotherapy training so that they can use this with their patients. It's been approved by the American medical association. Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:40): Um, I was doing, Doug (29:44): I found the ones that I really liked, the one that showed, um, exactly what I was trying to get people, but they, they kept getting bogged down. So now I've just compiled. Some of the best was the best academic research on my own website, which is anywhere hypnosis.com. Someone wants to check that out. They can scroll through, I've got four to five of the really big ones. And if they really want to do their own research, I just say, go to Google scholar and search hypnosis and efficacy. Cause there's, it's been studied for over a hundred years, so many research papers on just what this can do. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:21): Okay. Interesting. Doug (30:38): It's like the stories cause you think of it. I think on the campfire, the shaman is telling a, a really interesting story and they're being the drums and people are going into that trance state where they're in the zone, but the first kind of recorded history that we have that was way back in, uh, in ancient Greece in the sleep temples. And that's actually where the name Hypnos comes from because Hypnos was the God of sleep and that's, you know, hypnosis, um, it's evolved and really taken on a life of its own from the early days of magnetism and Mesmer and those kinds of things. It's now bringing in so many other tools from neuroscience and psychology. It's really a it's by now. It's a well running machine and it's something that constantly improves hypnotists are very well known for constantly learning and improving their craft. Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:33): Okay. I think I might've dropped off there. Sorry about that. I had a little internet interruption, but uh, I think what you were, I caught the tail end of it. I think what you were saying was that you've compiled some research that's on your website that people can go to and we'll give all that information here in just a little bit as well. Oh yeah. All right. That's great. So, um, as we kind of wrap up here, so what is a tool that you use in your daily life that, um, it could be a tool. It could be a habit or ritual, but what's something that you do in your daily life that you couldn't do without it personal professional. Doug (32:16): So I do meditation and Suffolk self-hypnosis every single morning. I'm constantly growing, constantly changing and I've made that a part of my life. I would say the tool that I use most often is a tool from hypnosis called the pattern interrupt. And when we get, when we get stuck in our thoughts, when we're stuck in a negative loop of emotion or anything like that, sometimes all you have to do is literally shock yourself a little bit to break up that loop and then go into a new direction. And so personally, I just, when I'm stuck in that loop, I tell myself, literally stop. And then that, that shakes up that loop enough that I can say, this is how I want to feel instead. And so I'm going to do these things instead, just being willing to break up those loops instead of kind of indulging in it and letting it run its course. Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:10): Okay. Interesting. All right. So, um, you've told us a little bit about how you can help people, but, uh, no, if you want to be a little more specific, you know, who are some of, you know, who would be a good client for you and then, you know, what you can do for them. And then of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you. Doug (33:35): I would say anyone who is really ready to make a change, whatever that change may be. So I, I call myself the adventure hypnotist because I work mostly with anxiety, with people who want to live the adventurous life, whether that's climbing Everest or just simply getting out of their house, if they've got a Gore, a phobia or something. Okay. So I typically see anxiety clients, but whether it's weight loss or anything like that, if you've got a question about whether it's going to work, reach out to me, you can find me on my website anywhere hypnosis. I'm also very active on Instagram. My handle is at making your meaning and I give a, I call it if not a test drive, but for those who are curious about hypnosis, I give up these free hypnosis sessions just to, just to see what it's like. And it's not just me giving the search, this relaxed state, it's me actually taking those same tools and using it for a general audience. Roy - Feeding Fatty (34:36): Okay. All right. Awesome. Terry, you have anything before we wrap up? Terry - Feeding Fatty (34:43): No, I'm, I'm still stuck on the self-hypnosis going back. Like, Oh, how would I do that kid a beer? You can be one of your clients. You're your best. I mean, why not? You know, you're, you're the best. One Doug (35:00): Of self-hypnosis. I don't want to turn this into a sales pitch, but I've got a group class coming up on February 1st and second I'm teaching the basics of self-hypnosis and what I find most, or I should say what I find the best way is to teach. So, and self-hypnosis is not to try to give them the years of hypnosis training that I have to just go through. It's too good. Take them to that place using a hypnosis session and then give them the tools to get back there. And so it's just a 90 minute session. I'm going to give you the tools. And then at the end of it, it's going to be a full session if gnosis where, um, we are actually taking the clients, the subjects to that state so they can reaccess it for themselves. Okay. Awesome. Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:46): February 1st Doug (35:47): And second, I believe the first is on 4:00 PM MST and the ninth or the second is on 9:00 AM MSD Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:56): And we can find that on your website on Instagram. Okay, Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:02): Great. Yeah. And we'll be sure and put that in the show notes as well for you. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, thanks a lot then just going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Uh, of course you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Also we're on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and this will be put up on YouTube as well. So, um, until next time, take care of yourself and take care of each other. Doug (36:32): Absolutely. Terry - Feeding Fatty (36:34): Doug, thank you so much. We're very grateful that you came in and gave us your time and expertise. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you again. Appreciate it. Thanks. Have a great holiday. www.feedingfatty.com
196 Flavors Of The World with Mike Benayoun What is 196 flavors? 196 flavors was founded in 2012. What started as a fun project to prepare and document a dish from every country in the world, eventually led us to a much bigger venture with the lofty goal to become the “Wikipedia of authentic and traditional recipes” with a focus on culinary history. With the help of chefs and experts from the local country or region, we thoroughly research and validate our recipes and articles to ensure people now have one place online to access a legit representation of any authentic recipe from the 196 countries that cover our planet. We now feature more than 1100 recipes and articles in 3 languages (English, French and Spanish) with a traffic that will surpass 15 million page views in 2020 196 flavors - 196 countries. A world of flavors. - World Cuisine Blog www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty on Roy and Perry. So, you know, we try to bring, uh, guests that can help us with our, uh, not only our nutrition eating, uh, but also exercise anything that's on the spectrum. You know, we believed in a bounce approach in a, we found a very interesting, uh, gentleman to have on with us today. His name is Mike Ben, a Yoon. He is with 196 flavors. First off, Mike, welcome. Thanks for taking time to be with us. Uh, a hundred, 196 flavors was founded in 2012. Uh, it started as a fun project to prepare and document a dish from every country in the world. And that eventually led them to a much bigger venture with the lofty goal of becoming the Wikipedia of authentic and traditional recipes with the focus on culinary history, with the help of chefs and experts from the local country or region they've thoroughly researched and validated their recipes and articles to ensure people have one place online to access legit representation of authentic recipes and, uh, from 196 countries that cover our planet. So they now feature 1100 recipes and articles in three languages, English, French, Spanish with traffic that will surprise 15 million page views in 2020 Mike. That is awesome. Glad to have you to the show Mike (01:39): Okay. Thank you so much for having me, Ryan Terry really, really appreciate it. Um, yeah, very excited to, uh, to talk about, uh, how we, how we got started and kind of where we are and what, uh, what our goals are, but you kind of summarize what we're all about. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:54): Know, I mean, what an amazing project that some you thought to try recipe from, you know, every country and then of course making it authentic, getting the chefs and some local people involved. I mean, it's just a water project. I bet it's been, Oh my God. Yeah. Mike (02:13): Yeah. So it's funny because when we started, like you said, I mean, it was really a hobby and it was really nothing more than a, from an idea that, that had in the back of my mind for two years. And I suggested it to my best friend. Uh, there are who, who is my business partner now and, uh, and she jumped on it. She was like, you know, let's do it. So it took her, it took us about a year and a half to finish the dish from every country. Uh, the thing is at the time we were probably not as thorough in our research as we are now, because again, it was just a fun and we're like, all right, if it's not the exact, uh, authentic recipe, the big deal, but now we have other ambitions and we are much more thorough. And, you know, if, uh, if it's interesting, I can tell you kind of our, our process in terms of research and, and kind of how we go about it. So have you all started Terry (03:02): Was that, Oh, so is your background in, uh, as a chef chef, is that what you did or what, what did you do as work? Mike (03:12): Absolutely not. My background is in cooking and eating since I, my background, like another two goals. Now my background is more in the software industry, so, um, I studied more on the technical side and then over time I morphed more into, uh, uh, this dev and sales and marketing. Uh, so my day job is actually a VP of this dev for software startup. Um, and my night job on a weekend job is the blog or the website. Roy - Feeding Fatty (03:46): Well, that's cool. Have y'all sir. Have you surpassed one, a recipe from each country are, y'all gonna like build on that once you get that initial while y'all already got the initial one, but are you just going to keep building that out? Mike (04:01): Yeah, so we, um, we do have, uh, that was our initial goal, right? So to have one recipe from each country in the world, which we finished in a year and a half since then, what we have done is initially we had one, we were focusing on one country per week. Uh, for the past four years, we've been doing one country or one region per month. So this, this month, for example, we're doing the Nordic region, which encompasses five countries, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland. Uh, but typically we focus on one country and what we typically do is we're going to have, so now we actually work with contributors. So it's not just Vera on my staff. We have, uh, depending on the time of the year we have between five and 10 contributors who help us. And what would that, what I mean by that is they actually, um, what we do is we source the recipes. Mike (04:58): Uh, so typically what we do is we source the recipes in the local language. So we go to the source, you know, we try to find, uh, authentic recipes from credible sources. Sometimes chefs, sometimes cookbook authors, a lot of times in the local language, not only, but a lot of times [inaudible]. So that's what we're, um, uh, trying to do is we're trying to look at different representations of the same recipe, authentic recipe. And we come up with our own version, which we try are, is going to work. We're trying to do is trying to capture the essence of the authentic recipe. And as you know, we can never say there's one version of every authentic recipe, right? It doesn't, it doesn't go like this. There's an evolution of recipes. Every chef is going to have their own twist, uh, over time. Uh, but you know, obviously there are some rules to follow some guidelines in terms of ingredients and so on. Mike (05:51): So that's what we're trying to do in capturing the essence of the recipe. Once we done that, we actually give those recipes to our contributors. So we store the recipe, we have our own research process and we give those recipes to our contributors who have to follow to the letter, those recipes. But in addition to that, because our contributors are like us, right? They're not really trained chefs, or they're not for like, for this month, they're not necessarily from the region or country. So in addition to that, we have one additional layer of validation. We actually do collaborate with chefs. We known chefs from the region or from the country that adds another layer layer of validation and credibility to our project. Because now we have somebody, for example, from Sweden, uh, who is going to, um, can you hold on, I'm sorry about that. Somebody's knocking on my door. Yeah, Terry (06:45): Yeah, yeah. I've been, Mike (06:51): Oh Terry (06:52): Man. That is so, I mean, that is an amazing task in 96. Yes. And I mean, and so many, you know, just different regions, you know, you think about our, our low world where we're in Texas, but you know, the United States, there are just so many different, uh, you know, just the read the difference in the recipes, in their different regions and everything, you know? Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:20): Yeah. And even in families, I just think about our family, you know, we've got the faction that is the, uh, Manet's in the potato salad and the one that's the mustard in a potato salad. So it's like, you know what a project, no, we were just talking about, Terry (07:34): Yeah, we were just talking about the, Oh, go ahead, go ahead. Sorry. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:38): And I was just like, we were talking about the geography involved, number one, uh, you know what, uh, Mike (07:45): I guess Terry (07:46): Not the country, you know, the individual countries, but the different regions of the countries and how it all evolves there, you know, Mike (07:57): Are you going to, are you going to able to Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:00): Fine? We're just, we're, we're just keep it all moving. Terry (08:04): Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mike (08:07): Um, so we, yeah, we, I was talking about the research process and the fact that we, we do the research on the recipes. We provide those recipes to our contributors. There's an additional layer of validation, not just for the recipe, but also for the article about the recipe, because, um, we, don't just, we're not just the recipe website right. At the end of the day, like I said earlier, like you mentioned, right. We really want to become the Wikipedia, the source of truth, more like an encyclopedia of authentic recipes. Right. So what we discussed to be clean or Arctic origin of the recipe, the original, the name sometimes how it has evolved over time, because recipes, you know, evolve over time. Um, and any kind of stories on the, on the recipe side, but also sometimes on ingredients that compose the recipe, uh, some of them might be unique in nature, uh, every representative of the region. Um, but a lot of times what you, what, what we have found over the, the past eight years that we've been doing, this is ideally they, yes, there might be some local ingredients here and there, but a chicken is a chicken. So whether it's in the Nordics or in France or in the U S the chicken, the chicken, what you make of the chicken is what's going to be representative of the cuisine of the region, whether it's spices, cooking techniques, combination of ingredients and so on. Roy - Feeding Fatty (09:33): So do y'all give guidance on, uh, on the particular spices. It may not be something readily available here in the States, but do y'all give guidance on where somebody may be able to obtain that. Mike (09:47): So we, we don't, we're not the biggest fan of substitutions because we are all about authenticity, right. So I'm going to say that nowadays in 2020, especially with the internet, you can pretty much find anything you want online. So it's, um, yeah, it's, it's very easy to source ingredients. Um, and yeah, I've never had any problems sourcing. Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:11): Yeah. So what about cooking styles? I mean, you know, we're used to the States, we have kitchen, we have ovens, but, um, you know, I'd read not too long ago that, uh, probably still 75% of the population cooks outside or something wildly high number like that. So I guess the, the differences in, you know, like maybe what we think about a Dutch oven versus outside on an open flame versus on a stove top, how has that worked out? Mike (10:43): Yeah, that's a good quote. That's a good point. Um, so in most cases, you're right. We may change, uh, sometimes the cooking methods. So you cook inside as opposed to outside. Yeah. Um, yeah, there are some nuances. We always try to stay as close as possible to the authentic recipe, but there's been occasions where, uh, you know, you could get the same results and by the way, the, the recipe has evolved from points. I can mention one example. There's a recipe called koozie, Q U I N from Iraq. And this is supposed to be initially originally the it's a centuries old recipe of typically an entire land that is, uh, open and stuffed. Like the entire land is actually stuffed, uh, obviously cooked outdoors on an open flame. Um, Mississippi has evolved to a point where I'm not cooking an entire lamb anymore. They're actually cooking pieces of lamb in a Dutch oven or a larger, um, pot. Uh, but you know, everything is cooked together. So it's still kind of cozy. It's just, the recipe has evolved to, um, to make it easier for modern chefs to cook any story acceptable time. Terry (12:05): Okay. And so what was one of the, uh, what's one of the most unique regions or unique countries that you got? I, I, I can't even think 196. I mean, that's kind of, um, Oh my gosh. Mike (12:20): Yeah. So I'm going to spend the most, not necessarily, uh, my favorite, but the most unique in terms of is in that I was not familiar with. Um, and I think most people are not familiar with is the prism of West Africa. Um, and our Western pallets are probably not that used to the flavors. And, uh, and then some of the ingredients of, uh, of Western African presents, there are some really, really good dishes. Um, one of my favorites actually on the site is all the achievement [inaudible] or chap from Senegal, which is typically fish, whole fish with a bunch of vegetables, some specific spices, um, one very pungent spice that, um, think it's called Neta too, when you smell it, it's really, really pungent. But when you use it in cooking, like a lot of ingredients, it's actually stained, uh, as you cook it as you simmer it. Mike (13:14): Um, so there are some really, really good, um, dishes like this one, however, I think in general where our pallets and I popped this right about it. Um, you know, our pallets are probably not that used to it. It's interesting because it's years ago, uh, four or five years ago, um, for one year I, I actually posted cooking classes here in Los Angeles. And the first cooking class that I decided to host was, um, a class of a Western African cuisine, um, with a friend of mine and some sending gala as well. Uh, so she helped me, uh, host. We had like 35 people. It was a pretty successful picking class. Um, and again, trying to, uh, next this cuisine more, um, popular in, uh, in here in LA, but, you know, in the Western world in general was, uh, was very excited. Terry (14:05): Wow. Do you find, um, do you find like United States, do we use a lot of salt maybe trained to make up for lack of knowing about the different devices and how to use them? I mean, Mike (14:23): It's possible, I'm not really exposed to that. I think in processed food. Definitely. Yes, but I'm going to say in general, at least my friends, my entourage, my family here, not really. I haven't really, what I have noticed though is yes, there's probably less use of spices in general or probably the same over and over. It's interesting because I'm really not a picky person. I'm really, you know, I really love to eat and, and I'm really not picky, but there is one spice that is way overused in the U S that I really can stay on it's cinnamon Terry (14:59): Really. Oh, okay. Mike (15:02): So right now it's not my favorite season. I like cinnamon. The problem here is it's not the same cinema as it's used in other parts of the world. So there's two types are the Salem and Garcia. And the one that is used here, which is typically used a lot in powder form, uh, where we do use it in ground form in other regions, right. I'm not saying it's specific to the U S uh, but there's a lot of dishes where you just use one stick and you remove it and it's fine. But when you use, um, the ground forum of, of cinema, and I think it's way over powering, and I always joke with our friends and by saying that I think cinema grows inside apples in this country. It goes, there's no dessert that has apples that doesn't have cinnamon just goes in there. Roy - Feeding Fatty (15:59): Right. Exactly. Terry (16:02): That's true. Yeah. So, um, you Mike (16:06): Know, go ahead. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:08): No, I was just going to say, so I'm not a big vegetable person, so I, you know, I know the main categories, like a potato and a, uh, broccoli and some things, but I guess as you go across the world, are there different vegetables and, uh, that you run into that may be some other countries use a lot more of, Mike (16:29): Yeah. I mean, there's, uh, obviously I have been exposed to different fruits and vegetables alike. Um, over the course of the past eight years, one that comes to mind, um, is one called banana flour, uh, which is used in a lot of Asian dishes. I can think of one soup from Laois, uh, very popular, actually. I think it's one of the national dishes over there called [inaudible], uh, which is made with different types of vegetables, but one of them being the benefit of flour, it's kind of hard to describe, but it's, um, I think it's more about the texture than the, than the taste itself to be very Frank. Okay. Um, have you, has any of you to have it or Terry (17:05): Never? No, not that I know I'm aware of. Mike (17:12): Um, when you open the, the better than a flower, you're not supposed to be the out outer scaler, but the inside is very similar to, um, I'm going to say like soybeans sprouts, but a little stiffer and kind of straight as opposed to, you know, um, subtle. Yeah. Terry (17:31): Interesting. I have to check that out. I, Roy, can't wait to try it. I'm sure. Mike (17:38): Um, but the cashew fruits, I don't know if you've had it, so they're all aware of, but there's the, um, cashew, Apple or cashew fruit as it's called. Um, it's interesting. It's, it's kind of, um, you know, sweeter fruit of course, but you can, you can taste the after taste of the cashew nuts. Definitely. You know, you can take anything. Fruit comes from the same plant. Roy - Feeding Fatty (18:01): Oh, I would like that. So how did you go about sourcing this? I mean, Canada and, uh, you know, Mexico are both our neighbors here, but if I wanted to call down there to figure out a dish, I wouldn't even know who to, you know, who to dial first. So how did y'all go about, uh, you know, gathering the resources and all the different countries? Mike (18:25): So it's fairly easy to find, uh, cookbooks, um, know credible sources online nowadays, I think in the past we would have had to go to the library, but it's pretty easy to find credible sources, um, you know, good books like of Reno authors, um, most of the time from the country, you know, and obviously we hope we put the ability and, um, and then, like I said, we have those recipes validated by our chefs when we have a chef. So w w by doing this research there easily, we can find at least, um, for Canada, it may be a little more difficult. I don't think we have as many, but Mexico is rich, has a rich cuisine. Um, and, uh, and there's quite a few, uh, resources for finding those recipes. Roy - Feeding Fatty (19:12): Okay. Interesting. And what, what recipes are the most popular on your site? Mike (19:20): So, good question. It's interesting because when you, when you look at any website at the end of the day, it's, uh, to be, to be popular in the internet world, it's a game you play with Google, it's called search engine optimization. So there are the, the, the recipes that are quote unquote more popular are the ones where we rent better than others, right? Uh, still when we search for that recipe, if we appear in the first three results, chances are, this recipe is going to be the most popular on our website. Now, having said that there are some recipes where we ranked pretty high. Um, one of them that I can think of, which is actually one that I became familiar with when I moved to Los Angeles from Paris 20 years ago. Because, um, as you may know, I don't know if you know, but, uh, while centralize has the largest Iranian population after Tara. Mike (20:15): So it's as a joke, it's often called Terra Angeles because there's really a community here. Um, so I became familiar with Persian cuisine, which is really, really good. And one of the dishes, they have a lot of stews beside the Kaibab of course, but they have a lot of students that they serve with rice. One of them is called [inaudible] and homicides is this very unique stew, which is made with maybe five or six different herbs, fenugreek, parsley, cilantro, onion, like different herbs greens. And they are so stayed kind of reduced. A lot of the water is evaporated as you, um, as you would say, the herbs, and then you use it as a base for a stew that you, where you incorporate these red kidney beans, and then you another unique ingredients, more kind of a spice called limo, Amani, what it is, is a dried lime. It's almost black and it's like rock solid. It's dry, really, really dry. And you put a suit in the stew and it gives this kind of sour taste really, really good. Uh, that is very unique to this stew. Um, so for a few hours, and then you serve it over Persian rice. This is actually our one of our top three recipes on the site right now. Terry (21:35): Oh, my, that sounds lovely. Oh, I might have to try that. Mike (21:39): Good. So it's interesting because like I said, I discovered this this 20 years ago, however, I was born in France, but my background is from North Africa. So both my parents are Jewish from North Africa. My mother was Tunisian and my father is half Moroccan, half a Jerian. So I was more raised on my mother's side of the family. And there's a very, very typical dish, which is more like a Jewish Tunisian dish called Kayla. And I was raised on it and Kyla in concept, it's interesting because although it tastes completely different than from a sudsy. It is very, very similar in concept to homicides, because as opposed to the five or six herbs that I was talking about, we just use spinach and we use more oil and you actually sauteed spinach for probably at least three hours, believe it or not. Wow. I have a technique now, which is not, um, authentic, but you can cut down this time in 45 minutes in the microwave and it works, um, kind of reduce the spinach again, spinach is probably 95% water, right? Mike (22:44): So you reduce a form, uh, which is, uh, very, very black green. And again, use that spinach conceit, if you will, to, uh, to make a base for us to then thing we add this, we use, um, white beans as opposed to red beans in the homicides in, uh, there's no sour agents, but we add Harrison, if you know about how the chili paste is interesting. Not a lot of people know that, but it's original Tunisian and we put Korean cilantro mint and we serve it of a Cusco because our rice in North Africa is Terry (23:24): Oh, okay. Oh, very interesting. Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:30): So do you have any good, Terry (23:32): I'm sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. I was gonna, I was gonna ask, Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:39): Yeah. For those of you that don't, we'll go ahead and say for those, you don't know, we got a little bit of delay. Uh, Terry's actually in Hawaii. So, uh, have just a little bit of a audio difficulty, but go ahead. I'm gonna let you speak the whole sentence. Terry (23:56): No, I was just gonna ask, um, uh, what are your favorite, what are your favorite recipes on there? I mean, Mike (24:06): So the last one, I, the last recipe I just mentioned is obviously one of my favorites because I was raised on it. So I'm very biased towards this one. Uh, the discoveries I have made one cuisine, which I really didn't know anything about that. I discovered that, um, really, really, um, and I don't cook a lot, but, uh, but, uh, but I really like his program. So Caribbean cuisine was actually a discovery to me. I don't think I had had Caribbean food before and especially one dish, uh, which I made a few times recently. Um, for some reason it's called normal South Dubbo. And in Peru, the interesting thing is, as you may know, there's been a lot of Asian insurance with immigration from China, as well as from Japan. And there is, um, a cuisine within Peruvian cuisine, which is called chauffeur, is in C H U F E shows like cuisine is actually interesting. Mike (25:04): It's a fusion cuisine of Caribbean and Chinese, and which is very popular and it, which is not part of the authentic Peruvian repertoire. You know, it's not like just something that is recent, it's actually something that is part totally part of Caribbean cuisine. Um, and Loma Santo is definitely one of those fusion dishes. It's interesting because it's a combination of, so Tate, um, beef typically see a lot sirloin and it's mixed with tomatoes, red onion, but also soy sauce. And, um, it's sauteed with garlic and so on, but then you add French fries to it because it's probably the, the biggest consumer of potatoes that I think they have like 2000 species of potatoes over there. Um, that's where particulars originated. So they're really big on potato dishes, but after that, they actually mix it with white rice rice, which is more the Asian instruments with obviously the sauteed stir fry and sizes. So you get this weird dish, you know, when you, when you think about it, you're like, okay, French fries, sauteed beef and vegetables, rice. Like, it sounds weird. It's actually one of my favorite dishes on the website. Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:23): Hmm. Interesting. So that brings up a couple of questions up first off, what is the, the mix between more of a vegetarian style versus the ma the dishes with protein and then kind of a followup to that is going to be, so what is the most, um, common protein that you found used in the dishes? Mike (26:48): Sure. So interestingly enough, um, you know, human humans have always been carnivores and omnivores, right. But interestingly enough, when you look at authentic cuisine, um, especially in the past 10 to 15 centuries, meat has always been an expensive produce, right? So when you think about it, a lot of those authentic recipes, not all of them, but a lot of them always had a vegetarian version, which was more for the poor people and then kind of a festive version with meat added to it. So what this means is even though there's obviously a lot of recipes that include meat on our website, uh, we also have a lot of vegan and vegetarian dishes depending on the country and region is going to be more or less difficult to find meatless, uh, or vegan or vegetarian dishes. For example, South America is very meat heavy. So I just talked about Peru. There are actually a judicious without meat, but, uh, it's, you would be hard pressed to find dishes with, without meat in Argentina, your wide Brazil, you know, those countries are very big meat, meat eaters, central and Eastern Europe, European countries, same thing, meat and potatoes. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:10): Okay. Interesting. It's like support word. Yeah, exactly. Yes. So, uh, as you put these dishes together, what would you say is the most used protein from around the globe? Mike (28:25): Um, I'm probably gonna say, can you, again, um, it's probably the most pervasive pervasive, uh, yes, slowly, maybe shortly after it's this there's a lot of, uh, Muslim countries, of course. So I would have said port, but of course you're not going to have a lot of pork based dishes in most of the 30 to 35 Muslim countries. So, yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:51): Okay. Interesting. So what about a dish that has a fun story or fun fact, or that Mike (29:01): There's a lot actually, because we always try to find, um, stories behind the recipes. Um, so, you know, in preparation for, for, um, Tokyo, I prepared a, you know, kind of a few interesting stories and we can go through them, but one which I thought was interesting cause, uh, there's a, what is the, I'm gonna ask you a question. What is your, the most popular, um, get them? Is that the first one that would pop up in your mind? Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:31): Oh, okay. Mike (29:34): Yeah. It's very popular in the us, uh, Mesa Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:42): Soup or something. Mike (29:43): No, that would be okay. So the most on that is in every Vietnamese restaurants across the world, not just in the us is wrong anyway. Yeah. So interestingly enough, actually fo comes from a French, uh, where there's a very authentic traditional dish called puto food. Uh, P O T a U F U F U in front of the fire. So it's part under the, uh, on the fire and it's bunch of vegetables and meats kind of a, you know, a soup, but soup slash stew that is very popular. It's centuries, old centuries or recipe. Now, interestingly enough. So fo actually come comes from French. And even though it's, it's probably the first recipe that would come to mind when we think about Vietnamese is in, it's barely a hundred years old, you know, and it was really created, um, like I said, it has a French influence and, um, it's kind of a fusion dish, um, you know, with, with this it's. Um, and it's, it's funny because it's not as popular and as widely consumed in Vietnam, it's more of a dish that's consumed outside of Vietnam. And like I said, it's only barely a hundred years old, so it's not even an ancestral recipes. There's dozens of Vietnamese recipes that are way older than this world. However, this is the one that everybody knows around the world. Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:18): So that, yeah, that brings up kind of a good point too. Is there, um, you know, probably like the us, there are a lot of dishes and there are a lot of popular dishes. So how did you decide which the initial pick from each country? Mike (31:35): So at first in probably the first three or four years, we were just picking the dishes that we liked. Okay. So it was just Vera, my best friend and I, um, picking dishes. We're like, okay, this month we're going to do a room. Let's pick three dishes each. And there was no, no more research than this. Okay. Now, because we're more of a business and we're, you know, we work with contributors and so on. So we run it as a business. Now we do more research and typically we're going to find 40, 50, 60 recipes for each month. And we're going to pick the ones that are the most popular. And what we mean by the most popular is really the recipes that are the most searched by people online, because obviously we want people to find us and we want people to find the recipes that are the most searched. So now we do a little more research into what are the, really, the most popular recipes in the country. Speaker 4 (32:31): Okay. No doubt about traffic. Mike (32:36): It's exactly. Like I said, it's, it's a business too though. Yeah. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (32:41): So, um, I guess we, as we kind of wrap this up, my favorite dessert did y'all, did you highlight any, uh, dessert dishes Mike (32:54): In the desert? There's a lot. I have a sweet tooth. Yeah. Being French for me, a meal without a dessert at the end is not a meal bread is not Amelie either. Um, so there's quite a lot, I'm trying to think. So my favorite, which is very popular and I did not discover it with, uh, with a website of course, is Tremblay, which of course, you know, I have a, uh, middle bias towards French pastries and French desserts. Uh, but yeah, Kimberly is probably at the top of my list, which happens to be gluten-free. I know there's a lot of people nowadays that I've written free. Um, it's full of like those dogs and, uh, but I'm fairly easy to make, uh, not as complicated as long as you have a torch to caramelize the sugar on top. But, um, and with easy to find ingredients, it's pretty much eggs, sugar, milk, um, you know, heavy milk. And, um, and that's it. So for the, for the flavor, Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:57): What about drinks? Uh, did y'all look at the, you know, I know a lot of overseas, uh, wine is a natural drink with, with the dinner, but was there any, anything that came to lie on that? Mike (34:13): So my signature cocktail over the past few years has become peace Corps center. You've done it before. Um, and again, coming back to Caribbean cuisine, I discovered that when we traveled to Peru, uh, this is Pisco is kind of a Brandy, um, that is originally from Piru as well as Chile. Uh, it's probably the most consumer the core over there. And they have a cocktail called Pisco sour, which is made with Pisco, with lime, uh, simple syrup and egg whites. And then you shake it. So the trick here is like most cocktails that you make with egg whites, you have to shake it without ice. Otherwise it doesn't form as well. So you shake it first, then you add ice to chill it, you pour it. And then you add a few drops of [inaudible], which is the same bitters that is used in old fashion. For example, it has become my favorite cocktail slowly, um, shortly after it's public cafeteria and Marketo. How about a margarita? I like margarita as well. Interesting fact about margarita. Do you know what is the most popular cocktail in Mexico? [inaudible] it is the Peloma and I don't know if it's as popular here, but, um, it is the most popular in Mexico. Terry (35:48): Interesting. Yeah. You would think definitely margarita. Roy - Feeding Fatty (35:55): Well, uh, Mike, we appreciate, excuse me, we appreciate you taking time to be with us today. Uh, this is such a fascinating project. Um, I'm going to have to get on there and check it out a little bit more. And maybe when Terry gets home, she can, uh, whip me up one of these, uh, exotic recipes that y'all have on there. Mike (36:13): We have friends of ours who tell us that they don't even cook them, have just spent hours or they're on their bed at night before going to bed, just reading through the stories and they don't even cook the recipes. Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:25): Right? Yeah. I mean that the food is, the food is one thing, but the stories behind it all have got to be, you know, the most amazing thing. Mike (36:36): Yeah. It's fun to learn. I mean, every day we learn something, even sometimes recipes that we have known all our lives and we're like, wow, I didn't know. You know, it was, that's how it was created or, you know, things like this. So Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:49): I'm sorry, Terry, I didn't mean to cut you off. You're a little bit delayed. Terry (36:53): That's okay. No, no, no. I was just, I just had this in the back of my head while we were talking to you. I was trying to work it in, but okay. So we are trying new things with tofu. So what's your favorite? Do you like tofu and what's your favorite dish if you do, and what would be easy and easy? It's not Mike (37:11): Right. We're not so much about easy recipes, Mike (37:17): But there's a lot of easy recipes, but not all of them are my favorite dish with the food may not be as easy, but it's, uh, uh, two from Korea, uh, which is called the silky. Uh, so keto from soup, which typically includes, um, some kind of meat, so it could be beef, but it's also made sometimes with, um, seafood. Um, and it's, um, the broth has to be made with seaweed and, uh, and anchovies. So it's kind of a fishy kind of broth. And then, um, it's piping hot, served in a stone ball and, uh, there's, uh, it's an egg drop soup as well. So you typically add an egg at the end, which, because it's piping hot, it's going to cook in a couple minutes. Um, but it's you add, use the silk to, for, you know, there's different types of from desk. Mike (38:12): So you would use the one that is the most silky, which is kind of, it's almost going to look like eggs in it, but it's going to be two food inside the soup. Like I said, piping hot. It is also very spicy. Um, and if any of your listeners is visiting LA, um, we have a chain of Korean restaurant called BCD tofu house, which is actually open 24 hours, like then is, it is kind of there dentists in Koreatown and, uh, in making their own true. And also their signature dish is this, uh, Sirki tofu soup. Terry (38:49): Okay. Thanks. I haven't tried to make any soup. Roy - Feeding Fatty (38:57): Well, again, Mike, thanks so much for taking time to come on and talk to us. It's been a fascinating and, uh, it's, uh, wish you much more luck in continuing this project. If you wouldn't mind, just tell people how they can reach out. If somebody wants to reach out and get ahold of you, uh, maybe make a recipe submission, how can they do that? Mike (39:18): Absolutely. So the website is one nine, six flavors.com. We are on pretty much all the social media channels. As you know, one nine, six flavors is our, um, handle. Um, you can contact us on any of those channels as well. We also, there's something we haven't talked about. We have started to, um, write good books eBooks. So we have four available right now and we intend to have, uh, we have a dozen more in the works for, um, that each of them is actually focusing on one region. So, so far we have one for the middle Eastern cuisine, uh, for North African cuisine, Southeast Asian. And we just released our Indian sub-continent cuisine book. And again, like I said, we, we add typically one a month, uh, and actually for the listeners of a feeding ferry, we, um, we are offering 25% of those, uh, those e-books. So if you use the code F F 25, uh, you will have access to 25%, any of our eBooks, like I said, right now we have four available that we have a dozen Lord in the works. Terry (40:25): Okay. Well, great. Thanks a lot. We appreciate that. I'm sure we'll, we'll reach out and take advantage of that ourself for sure. Yeah. Yes, I can do, I can do difficult. I don't have to do easy. I can do it. Yes. Roy - Feeding Fatty (40:43): All right. Well, thanks a lot. Uh, again, you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. We are also on all the major social media networks, Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram, and also this, a copy of this, um, interview, uh, video will be placed up on YouTube are also, you can find us on all the major podcast platforms, iTunes, Stitcher, Google play, and Spotify. Just to name a few, if we're not on one that you, uh, listened to your podcast on, please reach out. I'd be glad to get it added for you until next time. I'm Roy. Please take care of yourself. Terry (41:25): I'm Terry. Bye. Thanks. www.feedingfatty.com
Functional Medicine with Dr. Carol Shwery Dr. Carol Shwery (DrCarolShwery.com) has been a dedicated healthcare practitioner for more than 40 years. She is deeply committed to helping people who struggle with feeling sick, tired, and in pain, find the root causes of their health challenges. She helps them reset their body and health so they can wake up feeling vibrant, full of energy, and ready for each day, no matter their age. Through targeted lab testing, Dr. Shwery can assess how each system is working and design an individualized program to rebalance your body. Creating an individualized diet plan, a scientifically based supplement program, stress reduction, and exercise, a person’s health can improve dramatically – not only physically, but emotionally. With an ongoing wellness plan, many health problems can be avoided, such as diabetes, cardiovascular disease, arthritis, female, adrenal, thyroid, and insulin hormone imbalances. Her clients are finding a vitality that has given them a new lease on life! Her personal goal is to transform our broken health care system as well as our broken health and empower people to achieve optimal health so they experience the joy and freedom of a life without limits. www.drcarolshwery.com www.feedingfatty.com Full Transcript Below Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm Roy I'm, Terry Terry, I'm going to let you introduce our guests today. Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:12): So we are so excited to have Dr. Carol Shwery. She is a dedicated healthcare professional professional, and has been doing that for 40 years. She's deeply committed to helping people who struggle with feeling sick, tired, and in pain. Find the root causes of their health challenges and to find their root causes of their health challenges. She helps them reset their body and health so they can wake up feeling vibrant, full of energy and ready for each day. No matter what age through lab target or targeted lab testing, Dr. Sherry can access, assess how each system is working and design an individualized program to rebalance your body, creating an individualized diet plan, a scientifically based supplement program, stress reduction and exercise. A person's health can improve dramatically, not only physically, but emotionally with ongoing wellness plan with an ongoing wellness plan. Many health problems can be avoided such as diabetes, cardiovascular disease, arthritis, female adrenal, thyroid, and insulin hormone imbalances. Her clients are finding a vitality. There's given them a new lease on life. Her personal goal is to transform our broken healthcare system, as well as our broken health and empower people to achieve optimal health so they can experience the joy and freedom of a life without limits. Dr. Carol, thank you so much for joining us. We're just thrilled to have you here. Thank you so much Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:51): Nicotine time too. I am was not feeling too hot this morning when I got up. So yeah, it is very timely subject. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:07): So tell us, so tell us more about your history, how you got started, what you started in the healthcare profession 40 years ago. Dr. Carol (02:18): Yeah, so I wasn't spring chicken back then. Roy - Feeding Fatty (02:21): You still are, Dr. Carol (02:24): Well, the numbers say differently and you look great. Well, I, um, I got interested in health at a very early age and, um, I was directed by some of my mentors to go to Google to actually get a degree. And so I did that and I, I expanded my, I went to chiropractic school back then. And since then, I've, um, in the last 40 years I've gotten many different degrees, but, uh, at that time, uh, in, and for the first 20 years of my practice, I was just, uh, you know, don't go and gangbusters, everything was fantastic. And then about, um, about when I was 49 years old, um, my health started to all of a sudden deteriorate before I was, you know, everything was great. You know, I could do anything and everything. And did, um, I tended to pride myself on being a mom, great multitasker and stress was my friend. Dr. Carol (03:27): It really motivated. Um, but then, uh, at that 49th year, everything started to dismantle and I spent about five years trying to figure out what was wrong with me as my health just started to go down, down, down, down, down. And I will, I went from doctor to doctor, whether it be conventional or alternative, nothing was making sense. And, um, people were telling me things that I knew were not true. They were diagnosing me. And I said, you're not hearing. And so ultimately, um, it's a long, long five-year long story. I found out I had a brain tumor. Wow, gosh. And I'm a big, bad one. And, um, I ended up and it was killing me and I was slowly deteriorating in many different directions. So I ended up in a 14 hour surgery, um, came out and, um, was in a coma and then came out paramedics. Dr. Carol (04:28): Um, like why, um, why I tell this story? It's a big story, but we all have our stories. We all have stories. And ultimately I call myself a warrior because I said, this, I'm not, I'm not Lee, I'm this, I'm not letting this stop. And, um, I spent a long time, well, actually a short time and written in real terms for months clawing my way back to being able to go back to practice. I was in a wheelchair, but I learned everything over again. I still have partial paralysis in one leg, but it's, you know, I'm here and I'm back to being the ever anybody. And the reason why it's probably this is because we a, we do have our stories, but also I now have a sense of understanding and compassion for people and what their needs are. Whereas before I could give information, but I didn't have the personal experience. Terry - Feeding Fatty (05:27): So you having that, um, that, uh, brain tumor and, and having to go through all of the therapy and that you're just clawing your way back and being paralyzed and all of that, just, you think that made you a better practitioner? Dr. Carol (05:45): It made me a better physician. Yeah, totally. Because now a I can listen to people in a brand new way. Right. And then I can be empathetic and I can empower people in a new way that I simply could not prior to this moment. So I'm grateful that I had that experience. What I wish it on anybody else? No, but it happened. Right. And so I do feel I'm a better doctor because yeah, yeah, Speaker 4 (06:14): Yeah. Sometimes we have to go through that to, to actually, uh, you know, it can be transformative. Once we come out on the other side of a traumatic experience, like Dr. Carol (06:24): That's right. And it made me, you know, it empowered me to be, have more of a belief. What I needed to do to get back to the place I'm at now is alternative medicine. Conventional medicine took the majority of that tumor out, but alternative or functional medicine got me to where I am. So it was the blend lovely blend. Speaker 4 (06:46): That was one. Oh, I'm sorry. That was one question I was going to ask you was the, uh, you know, what is the difference between the functional and the traditional? Dr. Carol (06:54): Yes. Conventional medicine, um, is an expert in diagnosis, surgery, medication. We need these things. If we're in a crisis situation, there's nothing like conventional medicine. That's going to help us. We need that, but these things can behave like band-aids. And so it doesn't get down. It's like going from the top down, conventional medicine is looking at the top of symptoms. And then it's saying, this is how we're going to treat those symptoms. Functional medicine is going underneath. We're trying to look at the root causes of why people get sick. So it's completely different approach, more holistic and taking in to account all aspects of a person that you may actually think is unrelated. So we're, it's really looking from top down or bottom up. And that's really the essential difference than we know that our health in this country particularly is going down in our healthcare system and the model for it is broken. Um, and we're, we're not doing well from a health point of view in this culture. So this is trying to take the wisdom natural of natural medicine from the ages mixed with science of nutrition and medicine and blend them to come and figure out root causes, then give personalized treatments to each individual. Cause it's not what anybody gets. One, one picture, right? She has to be customized. That's right. Speaker 4 (08:32): So a couple of questions don't want to get too far out ahead of you, but, uh, two things that just came to mind while you were talking were number one. Do you feel that traditional medicine or Conventional, do you feel like there is a difference between prescribing medications does traditional, uh, uh, does, Oh, now I'm confused. Does that, does the, uh, Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:01): Conventional medicine go, are there, are they more apt to prescribe the medication first and foremost? Or Dr. Carol (09:11): I guess it just depends what versus what, as opposed to trying Speaker 4 (09:16): The traditional versus the conventional, you know, the, I guess the mainstream, like we have today, my opinion only, but it seems like if you go in and say, Hey, I've got this, it's like, yeah, we got some pills that we need you to take. That's going to fix that. And so I, the, Terry - Feeding Fatty (09:32): The functional medicine medicine is more looking at the whole, Dr. Carol (09:36): Well, let's say, why do you have that thing? Right. That's the difference here? Let me give you something for the pain without understanding. Why did that pain occur in the first place? Right. That's the essential difference between the two things. Okay. Here, I'll give you something, but I don't really know. What's why it's happening. This is going to get rid of the symptoms, right. Maybe right. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:01): If somebody were wanting a functional, wanting somebody to look at, you know, at a functional medical professional, how would they go about searching for that? Dr. Carol (10:16): Uh, well, I know you guys are in Texas. I know, I know there are functional medicine doctors in Texas. I mean, I totally know that you can find, you know, somebody like me, there are you look, you clump in functional medicine. Yeah. And then people and people will show up. You can find me, I treat, I read virtual all over the country. Everybody's virtual. Now you have, yes, you have in actually it's been a service been, um, because people can get what they need and not necessarily be locked into their immediate environment. Right. Community and wants something outside. Speaker 4 (11:01): Well, not only that, but you know, like I had a falling out with my longtime doctor because it was like, you know, you go there and wait an hour in the waiting room. Then you go back to the exam room and wait another 30 or 40 minutes. And you know, nobody, you know, I know that scheduling tight is how they make money. But on the other hand, it's like, you know, with this virtual medicine, I think that it probably puts the patient a lot more ease being to be staying at home in their own environment, but not going to be in that waiting game. And then also not mixing with the people in the waiting rooms, especially with COVID. But even before that, I mean, you never know what people have sitting next to you. Dr. Carol (11:43): That's true. Well, there's also sort of a standard of care in medicine, which is a, uh, you know, you have a window of time and it's a short window of time. You have to be rapid. You have to, so they can put a lot more, you know, they put a lot more people in where is in functional medicine because we're really looking at a larger complexity of situation. We're going to take a longer time. I didn't turn into a cattle call. That's right. Different. Speaker 4 (12:08): So you mentioned diet, uh, earlier, that was the second question I had is so, uh, you know, from your experience, have you found that diet is a big component of our illnesses or when things go wrong, can it be traced back to that? Dr. Carol (12:26): Well, I'm going to, I want to talk a little bit about something called what I call the essential eight. We have what I call foundation of health and they're essentially eight different foundations. And if they're like pillars, okay. So if you have any of those pillars is been knocked out of balance, the building on top, which is your organs are not going to be able to function correctly. So there's eight of them. And I'll just say, um, it's sort of like, these are the basics. Okay. And if you don't take care of the basics, whether it's, whether you're worried about COVID or you have a mental health issue, or you have a chronic health condition or an acute one, if you don't deal with these essential aid, your something's going to be out of whack. Let me just tell you what I believe they are. Okay. So nutrition, hydration, that's one, that's an essential core piece of health sleep. If we don't get the proper sleep, we're not going to function like Speaker 4 (13:31): We've been dealing with that lately. Dr. Carol (13:34): This is a huge people are having trouble sleeping right now because they're, so one of the other things, stress stresses them, stress management, another pillar, another foundation, um, physical activity. How many people have been sitting in front of their computer for eight or 10 hours a day and not getting up to move, right? We are, we are locked. My hips are locked. I mean, I've never set them up to my believable. Um, the environment, whether it's the water, the air, we are surrounded by 85,000 potential chemicals every week. You 5,000 that's that's toxicity in the environment. And then another problem is social connection. There's no much distress because we are at this time. So isolated and social connection at any time is one of these essentials. And then, um, fun, pleasure, joy getting out in nature. If people are unhappy, that is one of the pillars. And then the nervous system, if our nervous system isn't functioning, right? Any one of these, or if you have more than one or just one, they can knock your system out. So nutrition key, right? That'd be eight. I hope that's a long winded way of answering. Speaker 4 (14:53): It's good. I was taking notes here because, uh, you know, that's kinda, uh, I don't think I've given it quite that much thought, but you know, kind of what we always talk about between us as our pillars, I guess, are, you know, the sleep diet, exercise and the hydration, because I feel like I've begun to feel like, uh, you know, sleep is, uh, kind of, uh, what sends me off on the wrong paths. And, you know, I've been working a lot the last few days and getting little sleep and, you know, then all of a sudden I feel like I have to eat more, um, eat, you know, like a vacuum, I'll be eating anything. I could get my hands on to try to get me some energy to, you know, boost me up for a couple minutes and then diet Cokes, no water. You know, it just seemed like it is a downhill from, Dr. Carol (15:43): Sorry. No, no, you're fine. You're fine. So the truth is you're tired and you're trying to use nutrition or the lack thereof to boost energy in the two really have nothing to do with each other. But that is a really common situation. Yeah. Speaker 4 (15:58): Oh, and I forgot exercise was the other, which that has gone, you know, that goes by the wayside too. When you get busy, no exercise, no sleep eating by, you know, drink, not drinking water. Dr. Carol (16:11): Do you have a cell phone? Yes. You got your little cell phone. Yeah, I have every, every hour I have my cell phone. I like, I'm a dog person, so I have my cell phone bark every hour. And instead of get up off your tush and do something a few minutes. Right. Okay. Okay. So we need, we need some ways. Yeah. The other thing is, um, you know, I, I say this a lot, especially during this time of lockdown, we are not social distancing from the refrigerator. No. Okay. Speaker 4 (16:46): No, we've become, we've become very close. I should probably have a six foot from it. Got a tunnel. Dr. Carol (16:57): Yeah. It's definitely a thing. Yes. Speaker 4 (17:03): It's so important because you know, I'm just looking at these that, you know, you've talked about and it seems like that, you know, going through this pandemic, especially all of these eight are, are out of whack in some way for just about everybody, you know? Cause I know, you know, and we've been lucky. Uh, I'll say I'll speak for me. I think Terry too, but we've been lucky we have thrived through this and you know, I kind of tell some people that I feel like I may have a little survivor's guilt because you know, being at home, it's been, I've been a lot more focused, been able to get a lot more done, but unfortunately it kind of leads into that. Staying in the chair longer, not getting up, not getting out and getting the exercise. You know, you just, it, I don't know. You just cannot Terry - Feeding Fatty (17:51): Leave in, not leaving your seat there. Cause you're working, we work and all the time feeling like you need to work when you, and so many things going through your head. Dr. Carol (18:00): I know my desk here is just covered. You know how that is, but the good news is the two of you work together. And so you can push each other to go, okay, we need three minutes. Let's get up. Let's go outside. Let's do something. Right. Um, that's the good news if you utilize it, right? Speaker 4 (18:22): Yeah, no, she tries to keep me on track. I have to give her that much. He works very hard to make sure, to make me stop for dinner and you know, do all the right things. But you know, I guess what another point is where we are, we are some of the lucky ones because we have each other and we have things to do around here where we can get outside or I can get outside and get my exercise and work. But you know, there's so many people that can't get out and the, the social isolation I'm sure. Especially for like, you know, our parents that, um, seniors. Yeah. I just know when we go over there, we, we went by to drop something off on a Sunday and you know, ended up staying for three hours just because, you know, they were just, uh, Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:09): Starved for any kind of human interaction whatsoever. Dr. Carol (19:13): Well, well the stats on seniors actually, um, there's the loneliness of creating and social isolation is creating a more chronic disease manifesting. Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:26): Wow. And depression. I bet Dr. Carol (19:27): It could be found that it's not, it's not a pretty picture. No. Speaker 4 (19:31): Yeah. And it's a vicious cycle because even if they have a medical condition, then they get scared to go to the doctor or go to the hospital and then it just kind of snowballs from there. So yeah. Dr. Carol (19:45): Yeah. That's right. So it's, it's just important that we do as much as we can for ourselves and the people who love you within the limits that we now have. Right, right, right. Um, to, to help, to help. Um, so I did want to talk and tell me if this is okay, because you kind of hit on something and what you said. Okay. Um, we're, you know, we're probably all super pandemic fatigue. Like it's hard to even say it. It's like, Oh my God. So that's always thought about for, you know, eight months. Right, right, right. But the thing is that what you said? Um, there are non-infectious pandemics that are going on all the time. They're not infectious, but they're not infectious. And I wanted to talk about three of them. Cause what you said. I can't remember exactly, but it's triggered me wanting to speak a bit. Yeah. There are three non-infectious pandemics and I wanted to talk about, and it relates to how this essential aid, if they're off kilter, then how your body functions isn't going to work. So I wanted to talk about the first one, which is, have you ever heard of metabolic syndrome? Yes, but I don't remember. Okay. Dr. Carol (21:07): Um, you've heard, we all know that these, uh, when they talk about co-morbidities as being a problems, well, three of the comorbidities, hypertension, obesity, and diabetes all make up, uh, can, uh, be manifestation of something called metabolic syndrome, which is your blood sugar. Uh, you have high blood pressure, high blood sugar, excess body fat around the waist, high cholesterol. These are all things I see your face. These are all things that, Speaker 5 (21:38): Um, is he over there rolling his eyes? I just hit the triple crown on that one there. I think I've got all of them. Here's the problem. Dr. Carol (21:48): I mean, this is just, we're just hitting on a few things very briefly. We can spend hours looking into this, but if you have this problem, it lowers, it causes inflammation in your body. We've all heard that cytokine storm. This is inflammation. Okay. And then it lowers our immune function. Okay. So if we are hitting, uh, sugars and carbs, um, that is going to alter our ability to handle blood sugar correctly, then metabolic syndrome can take place. Now your immune system starts coming down. It doesn't work. Yeah. Okay. So I wanted people to understand in terms of understanding root causes, it's not just me. All I have to do is put a mask on in social distance. No. How is the body function so that we can try and maximize our immunity by not doing things that are going to be problematic. Right. So I wanted people to talk about that. And one of the things I do with patients is ask them to test their blood sugar throughout the day, many times a day. So we find out what is your blood sugar? And this is something that you can do at home, um, to give us this information. Um, once something else I, uh, stop me at any time. Speaker 5 (23:11): Yeah, no, you're good. You're good. This is all, you're a dream Dr. Carol (23:15): Big 90% of all our illnesses are due to lifestyle and 90% of illnesses can be fixed with lifestyle. Okay? So this, these beans are really relevant. I don't care what we're talking about. Right. It could be immunity or anything else, but here's this other thing. And I wanted people to really get this we're sitting around and we are suppressed to the men. Most of us, uh, well, there's these glands called the adrenal glands. Have you guys heard of them? They sit right on top of the kidneys and they are our first line of defense against stress. Now, if they are struggling, they might be pumping up too many of these hormones that they produce. Or maybe not enough if we're really, really stressed, the body goes, I can't take this anymore. And they stopped supporting these hormones. Guess what happens to your immune system? It goes down. Dr. Carol (24:10): Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's important that we can find out are our adrenal glands suffering. Um, and so we talked about the essential aid. If our stress management is not working well, the adrenals may suffer. So in functional medicine, we talk about, um, tests don't guess. Okay. So we do, um, for people who, I think this is an important piece and it may not be for everyone. I would have them do a salivary test to find out what, what is going on with your was so that we could find out a personalized approach to whether they need to have that handle in order to boost their immune. Speaker 4 (24:57): Okay. Yeah. And you know, I can attest to that back in, uh, LA, it hasn't happened lately, but this was back in my younger days when I had a pretty high stress corporate job is that, um, exp you know, before I would go on vacation the last, the week before vacation would be so stressed, trying to make sure everything was handled and in line. And my people knew what to do that week and that I would literally get off on Friday night, go home and wake up sick Saturday. Yeah. I would be, I'd be sick for three days because you know, it was like once that's, once the stress had, once the stress had relieved, once I got home and it left my body, it's like my immune system must have been so weak that, you know, I just got, I got sick. And so my vacations were usually marred by two or three days of, you know, flu like symptoms. Not, not really bad, but just being fever and, uh, all of that. Dr. Carol (25:56): I am right there with you. Yeah. And you're going away Terry for two weeks. I am, let's see, Oh my gosh, I've been running around. Speaker 4 (26:05): I think people are, people have got a pool going on. Who's going to survive me or the dogs when she comes back. Dr. Carol (26:13): I mean, for two weeks, I'll be gone two weeks and there you're going to be sorely missed. I think I wanted to talk about one other thing because people, I really want people to see the connection. And that is, um, where do you think 70 to 80% of your immune system lives in your body, Speaker 4 (26:39): On your skin or underneath? Just underneath your skin? Yeah, yeah. Speaker 5 (26:44): Yeah. Okay. I'm done drop the mic. Dr. Carol (26:50): If you're, you've heard the term microbiome, have you heard that your gut, the floor in your gut, the good, the bad and the ugly, if that is imbalanced, is there is a problem with, and these are terms may or may not know if there's a problem with the permeability and we've got meaning there's holes and bad guys are bidding in and affecting the body. If that, if your gut is not running smoothly and your microbiome is off and given it 70 to 80% of all our immune system is living down there, your guts, not good. Guess what happens? Your immune system is thinking. So these are actual pandemics. These things are happening everywhere with everybody, but nobody's thinking about all that interaction, that infectious pandemic and these noninfectious pandemics, this is a recipe for disaster. And so we want to find out well, is that relate to you have that issue? Um, so we might, if, if I think, you know, somebody has that issue, I might want to test that, test your guts in, in what we call functional testing. Speaker 4 (28:01): So what is, uh, what is a test that you would run to test somebody's gut? Dr. Carol (28:08): If I felt it was important for that person? Uh, well, I call them poop tests, but they are, Speaker 5 (28:17): Oh, now we're always going to start turning red. And we talk about anything, Dr. Carol (28:23): You know, fecal tests, but, and they're, they're done over a couple of days. You get a sample from each day and it tells us many things. It tells us, uh, what you are able to digest, what you're not able to digest. Do you have creatures down there that are, um, parasitic or fungal or bacteria that are not supposed to be there? Um, it gives us a whole huge array. Are you, if you have inflammation in your gut that we, that you couldn't see, you would not be able to see if you went for a colonoscopy, this is the functioning of the gut. So it tells us lots of information, um, of which then we can design something based on that information. Speaker 4 (29:08): I guess you could say, I stepped into that one. Speaker 5 (29:12): [inaudible] yeah. Speaker 4 (29:14): Those are good things to understand, because it is, um, now that you, when you said that I did, I do realize now that I've heard that before, that that's where a lot of our immunity lives is in our gut health. Dr. Carol (29:29): Right. So I just liked people to step back and go. The first line is the social responsibility of what we are being told what to do, but then we want to go deeper. Right. So that we actually have impact. We are so that I'm, I'm fortified. So as to be Roy - Feeding Fatty (29:54): Out. Okay. Yeah. We just kind of, you kind of bleeped out on us that last word there, I think, yeah. Dr. Carol (30:02): The internet. Do you, can you hear me? Cause my internet, just, Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:05): You blanked out after, um, you said at the, at the people being empowered, Dr. Carol (30:12): Empowered to take responsibilities and really do something for their kids. Um, and I don't know. I mean, I can give little, uh, little things for people to do right now today. You know, what can you do right now? Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:28): Okay. That'd be good. Yes. Yeah. I'm taking notes. Dr. Carol (30:31): All right. Cool. Okay. So, um, I wanted to say, obviously you said something about drinking water. You want to drink, if you can, for an average adult drink, I'm sorry. I see your face. There is Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:44): Water. Dr. Carol (30:46): Okay. You need to try and drink, um, about around 64 ounces a day. And so, um, you'll see, you know, I've got my cup here. You got to figure out how to do that. Now coffee does not count. Okay. Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:01): Wait, say that again, please. Liquids Dr. Carol (31:04): Are not the same as water. Okay. So unfortunately, so you can also, everybody agrees that fruits and vegetables are really important, right? Everybody is in agreement of that. There's lots of things in alternative medicine that people don't agree with them when it comes to diet. But we all agree that having fruits and vegetables and having a large plant-based diet is super important. So what that means, and even the CDC believes it's if we could have like nine to 11 servings of fruits and vegetables a day. So I often talk about drinking your fruits and vegetables, making a drink, uh, should be a smoothie, is so that you, you can put big handfuls of stuff in there and you don't have to stress. If you had nine to 11 servings, that's about to dinner plate full of vegetables or two pounds. But if you drink your vegetables or fruits, then you minimize that, Oh my God, are you kidding me? Dr. Carol (32:10): Um, sort of feeling right. So that's something you can do because that will give you lots of important vitamins and minerals. Anti-oxidants all these things that are going to fortify your system. Okay. Um, and then for, um, uh, for, uh, de-stressing okay. You could do two simple things. Well, first of all, do you meditate? Do you find moments of peace? Do you pray? How do you, how do you get into that calmer state of being that's going to really help your adrenals? Okay. Um, okay. So that's one thing you can take a couple of vitamins that really help your adrenal glands, a B five B6 and vitamin C. Okay. There are formulas that I have that are, you can get that are specific for adrenal de-stressing and they generally always have B five, B, six, and C. Okay. Okay. And then a simple protocol for your guts is, do you guys have, I don't know, where are you in Texas? Did you, after you told me, okay, I'm assuming there is called booths there. Yes, Speaker 5 (33:31): We do have that. Dr. Carol (33:34): Yeah. Um, but you know, do you know what kimchi is? Speaker 5 (33:38): Yes. And you know, I don't think I've ever tried it, but I've been very curious for a long time Dr. Carol (33:43): Kimchi and sauerkraut, organic, raw, both of them. Um, they taste great. You have to kind of, you have to, you know, you might have to acquire a taste for it, but I love them. They have natural probiotics in them. Okay. So you can fortify with the proper bacteria by eating these foods or taking a multi-screen probiotic. And you go to the health, food store is your weight to say, Oh, I'm going to support is, you know, support my guns, Speaker 5 (34:16): But you said raw sauerkraut and, Dr. Carol (34:19): Um, rock, rock, rock him. [inaudible]. Speaker 4 (34:23): So let me ask you about that because I think that's where, um, you know, somebody like me, that's tried to, you know, I've kind of played at being healthy for a long time, but there's so much information and probiotics and not trying to put you on the spot, but just trying to get your opinion on this is that, um, at one point, you know, I was taking a probiotic and, um, I don't know, 25 million deals or whatever, you know, it was pretty good strength, Dr. Carol (34:55): 5 million billion, Speaker 4 (34:57): Maybe billion maybe. Yeah. But then I started reading some material, not, I didn't seek it out. It's just stuff that came across to me that it said that there's this natural occurrence in our stomach. And so when we take a probiotic every day, we were actually counteracting it. And I guess this guy or person was saying that maybe you need to do it once a week or once a month, every once. Every two weeks. So what, what is the thought on that? Dr. Carol (35:28): Well, I've never personally seen that, but I want to comment on it anyway. Um, Speaker 5 (35:37): You have to find Dr. Carol (35:38): Out whether you need the probiotics or not. Okay. That I just want to say, I do feel that taking a multi-screen probiotic because the research indicates there's so many positive value. There's so much positivity to it. Okay. Um, I don't know what he was. He or she was thinking about some mechanism that this is going to hurt. I don't, honestly, I didn't have to hear the whole thing. Just trying to really understand, but probiotics, like anything are not all made equal and they need part of the, part of the thing about probiotics is not all probiotics can make it through the, through the gallbladder, the secretions. So you have, you have to know about what you're getting, because if you, you know, the most expensive supplement is the one that doesn't work. Right. Okay. So not everything is made equal, but again, um, I do think that taking probiotics is, uh, in, uh, in, um, sort of a preventative way can be valuable. Speaker 4 (36:43): Okay. Okay. No, thanks for answering that. Cause I, you know, the thing is I heard it, I don't know their credentials. Don't really, and it's been a year, a few years ago, but I think like you said, the key is probably, you know, doing the test to see if it's even necessary or if it's what's right. Dr. Carol (37:00): Well, the other that brings up this whole thing, I read it, I read this, I read that you go to Dr. Google. Yeah. Okay. And you know, Dr. Google is going to make him crazy because there's so much conflicting information. So in my opinion, um, I love to research, you know, and lots of people do. Um, but you need some, some way to decipher whether this is information that actually is valid. Right. Um, and, um, I think it's helpful to have somebody in your corner who has, uh, studied enough, who has enough, uh, years under their belt to go yay, Nate, or let's think about this Navy, you know, so you just don't go, I'm going to buy every, I have a pitch that she has. She came in with bags and bands of supplements, just everything she reads on Dr. Google, she, the slides, that's it? This is it. Speaker 4 (38:02): Yeah. Well, you know, and I, this is a long time ago. I had, you know, an unhealthy diet. I knew I did, and I wasn't eating fruits or vegetables. Mostly. It was, you know, restaurant food at every meal. So, uh, you know, I, I am that person. I started, you know, taking one and then I read something, it took more, you know, and it morphed into a whole bag full. And of course I took it to my doctor and let him look over him. And there was, there's one he threw out and wine. He added, I think K three was one that he wanted me to take. But then, you know, one thing we did, um, you know, when we started this show was we got the Krono meter. You know, we started monitoring our Mac, our micronutrients as well. And when, when we eat good, like we're supposed to, we were getting most of everything, you know, that we needed. I know there's some like the, the ones that you were talking about, the be five and six and see that you may need a boost to, uh, you know, help you with what you were talking about. But, um, I basically got off of most everything that I was taking and kind of pared it down to a few that I knew we were struggling with. Dr. Carol (39:17): That's a good, that's good. Um, because really what you're wanting to say at this point for our health, the best defense is a good offense, right? So you want to take, you want to, you know, strengthen your body as much as you can, given what your particular personal needs are. So you, you know, you want to, you want to put yourself in, uh, in that, uh, position of taking responsibility with the proper information. Right. Which I think is really important. Yeah. Speaker 4 (39:51): Yeah. Yeah. And so, so what can people do today if they're feeling overwhelmed, trying to figure all this stuff out all the time? Dr. Carol (39:59): Well, first of all, um, I wanted, I put, I have my notes somewhere. So the first, um, first thing is I would stop. I would consider like minimizing your doctor, Dr. Google. But, um, you have to figure out, you know, when you're feeling overwhelmed, you know, what's your personal, why, what do you, why do you want to be healthy? Do you want to be healthy to play with your kids, your grandkids, do you want to go to Hawaii and hike in the volcano? Um, you know, what is it that you're, what is your goals? You figure that out. Okay. So you can go as, is, is this important to me? What do I want to do? And then you try it. We were part of, in a situation where we want to, we really want to survive and thrive. So we're calling that thrival, we want to do that. Dr. Carol (40:55): So, um, we come up with, we find a mentor, if that's your choice, not everybody likes that who can support and figure out what's going on with you and support it. Um, also my website, I have a book, an ebook that I've written called this the essential aid, and it gives you a guide to those essential foundations. And you can go to my website, it's free. You can just click it. That's something you can do right now to get, and I can give you my website. Um, I can spell it out for you. Okay. Um, it's Dr. Dr. Carol C R O L S H w E R y.com. So Dr. Carol square.com, no period or anything you can go and you can go to, uh, go there and you can get my ebook. Okay. Okay. That's certainly one thing you can do. And did he decide that, um, you really want to investigate this further? Dr. Carol (41:53): You know, you want to go, she, I really want to be healthy. Um, I am offering your, your listeners today, a gift, and that is if you would like to talk to me and have me hear what's going on with you, um, what, what your health concerns are. If you have health concerns, what is driving you to say, I'm going to spend 15 minutes, a complimentary discovery consultation with me, 15 minutes on the phone, uh, where we talk about your health challenges, or we talk about the kind of, uh, programs that I provide and see if, what I have to offer you in terms of information, education, and a plan might be of service to you. I'm happy to do that for your listeners. Roy - Feeding Fatty (42:45): Very nice. Yes. Yeah. I may be the first one. I was going to say we have to Duke it out. Dr. Carol (42:54): Uh, but it's, it's nice to have for me, I'm the kind of person that wants to go to somebody who has years of experience that can go, Oh, I hear you. Or I see, like I've been watching cause you sort of your wear it on your face. That's a bad Speaker 4 (43:12): Thing about doing video now, Roy - Feeding Fatty (43:17): Whose idea was it to do video? Speaker 4 (43:20): You know, for so much of my life, it was, you know, it's meat, potatoes, and the only two vegetables that I like are, you know, potatoes and corn, probably the two worst ones, Dr. Carol (43:31): By the way, just why, I guess what those turn into in your body, those two, those two things, what have they turned into Speaker 4 (43:40): Carbs sugars. Dr. Carol (43:42): Totally. That's it? Yeah. That's all I do. So is that going to affect your blood sugar potentially? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 4 (43:52): And the other thing is the quickness and, you know, that's one thing that we, we were on a good path. We were cooking in the kitchen and doing everything right. And then, you know, uh, Terry's mother had had a spell. And so we kind of, she had been out, you know, kind of in and out for two or three weeks, kinda got off track, but you know, it, it became easy, the easy path. And I think that's, uh, Roy - Feeding Fatty (44:19): Just grabbing something already, you know, some pre-packaged something just that you can eat and you don't have to prepare and then just go back to your work and, you know, yeah. I mean, I'm not just saying you no, but that's, Speaker 4 (44:32): That's the way it is. It's hurry up and eat so we can sit back down and get back to work. And I guess it's a bigger picture is take the break, eat the good meal, take, go for a walk, get away and get out of the chair. Dr. Carol (44:44): I say, it's, um, these basics they're fundamental. Are they sexy? Meaning, uh, you know, is it like, Hey, this, this has been real easy, really? You know, it's going to be, well, these are the day-to-day ins and outs that are not so exciting. Right. But they will keep us moving and alive better and longer if we do them, but it can be like the drudgery. So we have to figure out how to make that better. Speaker 4 (45:14): It's funny. That's the other thing I think it's funny you mentioned is that, um, I guess at some point I got wrapped up in that food is fun. And so, you know, it'd be like, when she'll tell me, Oh, I got some broccoli. I'd be like, Oh, Speaker 5 (45:32): Uh, shoulders, did you get me a snack? I sure did. Rugeley Speaker 4 (45:40): Yeah. So you know it, and it, we talk about it and I can say the words, it's harder to put into practice that we need to eat to live. We don't need to live to eat. And it, you know, we, while we can make it a social event, as far as us setting down, talking about our day, talking about tomorrow, you know, that shouldn't be where we gain our, shouldn't be what we look forward to for our fun, I guess. Dr. Carol (46:05): Well, I'm going to have a slight disagreement with you because food can and should be fun. I think that that is one of the basic enjoyments in life. It's that our taste buds have been programmed to think only certain things taste fun. Yes. But if we can retrain them. Okay. So I D I think food is a foundational piece of, you know, of enjoyment and we should, you know, and so I think we can alter that so that you can, anybody can change and make it fun. Even if it's not fun with, I don't know what you loved most, except I do know you love potato. Right. Um, but it can't be fun. Speaker 4 (47:00): Yeah. I'm going to have to really give that some more. Speaker 5 (47:03): I'll see what I'm working with here. This is hard. This is really hard. Dr. Carol (47:09): Uh, I'm gonna keep doing it. Speaker 4 (47:11): No. And I give her a lot of credit. I mean, she jazzes things up and re you know, trying stuff out, which it it's, it's more delightful. It's just, it's not my thing. You know, I'd read that, uh, the vegetable part I'm, I'm like, wait a minute, Dr. Carol (47:31): You might be a great candidate for drinking your drink and your veggies. Roy - Feeding Fatty (47:35): Right. Yeah. And you went down a little. Speaker 4 (47:39): Yeah, I did that a little. I bought a, it was like a green mix, some kind of green powder that had all the vegetables wrapped up in it. And, you know, I had gotten pretty good about making some smoothies, uh, with that in it. So we, I may have to revisit that or look at making, uh, making some with fresh vegetables too. We haven't really tried juicing. Dr. Carol (47:59): Good. Did you guys have a, I don't know. Do you guys have, um, Costco in Texas? Okay. So Costco, at least where I am, uh, they have, uh, bags of organic grew, dark leafy greens. And the reason I say called Costco is there's so much cheaper than if you go to the store. So you can get a big old bag of dark leafy greens, organic at Costco for a few bucks. And you can, I mean, you can just dig your hand in there and really make it make a great trick. I did want to say too, what I like to do to make the drink, uh, more palatable is I have these things called medical foods. So if somebody let's say has an influence, if inflammation is one of their big problems, I have medical, uh, powder, which has vitamins, minerals, nutrients, and also supplements in it for inflammation. You mix that in with your drink, or if somebody's blood sugar, if that's their big issue, I have powders for that. So you can combine getting your nutrients and supplements in with your drink so that it becomes multipurpose. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (49:12): That'd be ideal right there. All right. Dr. Carol (49:15): Yeah. I mean, that's how I start my morning. Um, and I just feel like for, I mean, it's hard to get that stuff in and if you, if you're sitting there going Rockley Roy - Feeding Fatty (49:27): Squash is a really big one. You don't like squash. I think, I think it's the word squash, maybe. I don't know, but none of it, I mean, pretty much none there's spaghetti squash, you like that. All right. Dr. Carol (49:41): You don't like to Keenis you don't like Sakina maybe just don't fix them. Speaker 4 (49:46): No carrots, no squash, no com I like, you know, catch up, but I don't like tomatoes raw. I mean, it's really just meat potatoes and some corn Roy - Feeding Fatty (49:57): And bread and bread. Oh, well, Speaker 4 (50:07): Um, I guess we'll, uh, we'll call it, uh, you give me some things to work on, so we'll, let me get started. What we need to do is we need to make an appointment to, uh, you know, get you back on the show, continue this, because like you said, we could, we could talk about it for hours and hours. It's very interesting to me because I want to learn. I want to do better. I really do. I just have to find that, you know, I think I just have to find the path for me is just the no, Dr. Carol (50:36): That's right. And you know, one of the things, you know, like when somebody becomes a client, um, I ask them, you know, we have a very long consultation, so I can try and understand the root causes of what may be going on or not going on with somebody. Plus I have about 30 pages of questionnaires. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, because that way, well, yeah, because I don't care how long I talk. I'm never going to remember all the things I need. It's just not going to happen. So, so that way we really get down to the meat and potatoes [inaudible] so that's what I do. And I know if you guys, or any of your peeps on the show are interested in doing this, I'm going to give you my phone number, call my office and set up a time. Okay. So if you call them, I want you to say, you know, I was on your show. And so that they know, you know, what the connection is. My number is (831) 476-6906. Speaker 4 (51:50): Okay. And we'll be sure and put that in the show notes as well. But before we go, before we start wrapping up too much, let me ask you about, uh, is there a tool that you use in your, your daily life, a tool, habit, ritual, professional, personal, something that you do every day that you just couldn't do without? Dr. Carol (52:11): Yes. Okay. Um, I've been a meditator for 40 years, but I decided I needed some help in that area. So there's a group that just happens to be located in my County. And the group is called heart math. Have you heard of them? No. Art man. You can go to their website, heartmap.org, I believe. Speaker 4 (52:36): Is it M a T H like math, Dr. Carol (52:39): Math, hard math. Yeah. One word, one word. And, um, they have a device called inner balance. It's $129, or it might be for, I have an iPhone. It works with the iPhone for 129. Uh, and then I think for, uh, Android, it might be, or for Bluetooth, which I did not want. Um, it may be one 49, but it's a way for a person to learn how to use their breath and learn how to, um, go into their heart, uh, and find a level of gratefulness that causes, uh, what we call a heart, the heart rate, variability. It just is a term that talks about what's your heart is doing. And it represents a level of calm. There's a great deal of research on this. They've been, they've been at this for about 40 years, but it has brought great calm to me and my patients. Okay. And I feel like we're living in times where we need to find methods to have that calmness. Right. And I encourage people to go to that website. Cause it's, it's powerful. Speaker 4 (53:59): Speaking of breathing that that's one of the other big things that used to be on my list with the, uh, with the water and the sleep is I had it's like breathe, remember to breathe because I am the world's worst about holding my breath. And, you know, I had gone to one of these painting parties once, you know, and the lady was walking around, checking our workout. She's like, it's okay if you take a breath every now and then, cause I was just like so intense and it's just, but uh, you know, I've done a little bit of yoga before and it's just amazing what we can control with our breath if we just be mindful of that. So definitely something worth checking out for sure. Yeah. Dr. Carol (54:40): Yeah. I'm just trying to think of this. I wasn't old Yogi for many years and then I decided to become paralyzed instead stuff, Terry - Feeding Fatty (54:50): You know, I have never tried yoga. Isn't that terrible. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Carol (54:56): You get addicted to it. Yeah. Yeah. It's very, one of the beauties of yoga is that you lose, you have to stay very present or are you going to fall down? Okay. You need to just be in your body. And yoga is not easy. No, Terry - Feeding Fatty (55:16): I mean, I've, I've done certain aspects of it, you know, but not ever really sat through a whole class, you know, and I need it. Dr. Carol (55:24): Well, I encourage you to, um, to do it. And I have a friend, uh, uh, one of my oldest friends from high school, she teaches yoga and she's teaching it online. She lives in New York. And now that I cannot think of her website, but I could certainly get that to you because she's teaching five days a week online and she's teaching for beginners. Terry - Feeding Fatty (55:49): Oh, that's what I need. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. Dr. Carol (55:51): So that's the beauty of it. Yeah. What it, Speaker 4 (55:55): A lot of people don't understand that. Um, I have, uh, a DVD of a lady. She has like an am and a PM routine. And she was good about the modifications because it's tough. I mean, if you try to start out doing what these instructors do, I mean, you'll give up are, I'd give up in a minute because it's number one, it's difficult with the flexibility. But number two, it takes a lot of body strength. I mean, they have to have a lot of body control. Dr. Carol (56:24): Well, there's two aspects to, um, yoga strength and stretch, right? Some people are quite strength oriented and other people are quite stretched or either I was the ladder. I was extremely flexible, but I actually, I utilized, I did not utilize my body correctly because I wasn't strong enough. So I did a lot of work that ended up hurting my joints because I was always using my joints rather than the muscular strength. Yeah. So you need somebody, one of the beauties of have going to a live class is that they watch you, even when you're virtual, they go, okay, Terry, I want you to do this. Yeah. And adjust accordingly. That's fine. Yep. Right. And men are more, clearly not as flexible for the most part. So you guys use your strength, but you don't have that stretch, which makes it equally difficult. Right. Speaker 4 (57:21): Right. Well, Dr. Carol, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to be with us. And, uh, we definitely will, uh, you know, set up another time. It's been enjoyable talking to you. I feel like we've gained so much information. I have learned so much. So, uh, if you don't mind again, I know you gave us the phone number, but tell us the website again, how people can, Dr. Carol (57:42): Should I just spell it? Yeah, I'll just spell it. www.drcarolshwery.com. Speaker 4 (57:54): Okay. And we will con uh, we will put that in the phone number in the show notes as well. So they will be there for everybody to look again. Thanks a lot. Uh, thank you so much. Dr. Carol (58:07): Thank you. This was really fun. All right. Speaker 4 (58:11): Well, we won't thank our listeners for being here. 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Happy New Year 2021 with Roy and Terry www.feedingfatty.com Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:03): Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. I'm Roy Carey. We want to welcome everybody to 2021. And, um, I finally got my co-host back here where she's on a continent where she has some internet access funds Terry - Feeding Fatty (00:19): A little bit, just a little bit here. Oh, welcome back. Thank you. Three weeks is a long time. Yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:26): It is. And then before that it was before Thanksgiving when we were gone. So it's been, it's probably been two and a half months since we've actually, um, actually recorded anything between the two of us. We've had some awesome guests in the meantime, and we've got, uh, you know, a slate of other awesome guests that are upcoming as well. So we also like to just say, thanks for everybody that's tuned in and listened to the show. You know, we started this in what, October, mid October of 2020. And we're just trying to learn our way as far as, um, you know, get some of the better guests and also marketing and getting it out in front of people. So please don't hesitate to share caring is sharing and, uh, you know, help us to get some more listeners we would certainly appreciate. Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:18): Oh yeah, that'd be great. I don't know. W w we went, where did we go in November? We went to Mexico and November, Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:26): And we had the best of intentions to record while we were down there. But again, we had some really crummy internet and then we were, uh, you know, even prior to that, Terry had had some issues with her mom's health that she had been out of pocket for about three weeks prior to us leaving. And then when we came back, she had to get prepared and got to go take a fabulous trip with her daughter to Hawaii for three weeks. So, yeah, Terry - Feeding Fatty (01:54): And I left her there. She's still there. Oh my gosh. It was awesome. Roy - Feeding Fatty (01:59): The good news is me and the dogs did survive. Terry - Feeding Fatty (02:02): Everybody was still breathing when I got back, no vet bills or emergency room bills. So we consider that a success, right. Fridges bear, but we have to have to restock it. Roy - Feeding Fatty (02:17): Yeah. And you know, that's the, uh, the, uh, funny thing is that, um, uh, you know, today it's been a beautiful day where we're at, we got to get out and walk and just kind of wanted to talk a little bit about that. The, um, you know, one thing we have to remind ourselves quite a bit is just to, you know, be nice to yourself. We came through the holidays, it's hard to be on diets, people don't, or I don't want to say that it's hard to be on an eating plan. That's healthy. People tend to chastise you and not have respect for you. And it's just difficult. So what we need to do is, um, you know, I think it's just take a positive attitude and say, we've made it through the damages done. We're not going to live in the rear view mirror. We're going to look out the front, the windshield where we're going. And, uh, you know, let's, uh, let's get moving for 2021 the new year. Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:12): That's right. And it's hard. It's hard to stay on a meal plan with all these things going on. I mean, three and three months, you know, everything just kind of adds up real quick. And, um, I got to tell you, I ate my way through Hawaii. I did. I ate poker everything. Oh my gosh, it was good. Roy - Feeding Fatty (03:34): And brought home Mr. Mack and name you duct that they grew the last year Terry - Feeding Fatty (03:39): And it was chocolate and coffee. Roy - Feeding Fatty (03:43): So we're going to try to work through that, but, you know, it's hard and that's part of the fun of getting to go to new places, trying the food and all of that. So that's why I'm saying, you know, what things happen, uh, all we can do is pick ourself up and we'll get started. And, you know, I didn't, I'll be honest and say, I didn't have the best of, uh, the best time, you know, because it's hard just cooking. I'm not a good cook and it's hard cooking for one. And then it's easier just to go pick up something. So anyway, I've had, uh, you know, the last few months hasn't been that, that great. So, you know, we're all looking for, uh, kind of get to a fresh start, kind of get back into a routine where we can cook, be healthy, you know, and have the kind of things around the house in which we need to have, which is it's important for us. I know that if we don't have stuff around here, if we have bad things here, we'll tend to eat that or, you know, run, get something Terry - Feeding Fatty (04:41): And need more. Right. You can't just have a little bit, you get to eat the whole thing. Oh my gosh. Roy - Feeding Fatty (04:47): Right, exactly. So let's just talk a little bit about, um, you know, setting goals and a good thing to do is, you know, a go is w what is it, if you don't put a time limit on, and it's just a dream. So let's really think about some goals that we can set. And, you know, it's funny cause, uh, this that's what we went through this morning. We sat down and talked about some of our major goals for 2021, you know, not only with the show and the guests, but so, you know, some of our personal goals that we want to achieve on some other projects that we have going on. And, um, you know, we set some time limits of what we want to do when we want to do it. So, uh, but you know, kind of the other part of that is again, be kind to yourself and let's manage expectations because, um, we can achieve anything within reason that we really want to, but you know, if you want to lose, uh, you know, 50 pounds this year, you can't say, well, I'm going to do it in, uh, by the end of February and expect that you, that you will be successful. Roy - Feeding Fatty (05:58): So, you know, look at what, you know, I don't know what they say. The average is, you know, one to two pounds a week, something like that. It's always good to consult with your doctor and let them help you with making that determination when you set your goals, but, um, you know, be reasonable in what you expect to do. And then I think the other important part is, um, goals are useless if you don't have an action plan because I can want to lose, I can want to lose weight. And if my action plan is to are, if I don't have an action plan and I sit around eating some popcorn, watching TV all the time, then of course not going to achieve. And so, uh, you know, what, what is your action plan? Some things that we talked about this morning, again, eating right, you know, having, uh, healthy food, which, you know, includes our vegetables, fish, um, all that, again, trying to stay away from the takeout and from Terry - Feeding Fatty (07:01): In general, no, just no packaged anything. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (07:04): I, to stay away from the packaged foods and, you know, get back to cooking a little bit more and, uh, drinking our water, you know, our eight glasses of water, trying to get some exercise. Uh, like I said, it was beautiful. We actually took two. Uh, well, the first one, I guess today is about 15 minute walk. And then the second one was probably 30, 45 minutes, just got out with the dogs, took them around. And, um, you know, again, it's just a, the beginning of January, so we're not going to be that lucky for the next two months, uh, for sure. And depending on where you live and where you're listening, you know, you could be in the midst of winter, but there's a lot of things to do. Uh, you know, some gym memberships are very reasonable that you can get out. Of course we have to watch for COVID. I think the gym we go to, um, they've done an awesome job with, uh, distancing at, on the equipment, having sanitation stations where people can spray stuff down. So I, I haven't been that worried, uh, being in their house. Terry - Feeding Fatty (08:09): No, I mean, I, I felt pretty, I felt pretty good about going and walking and, and doing the weight machines and all that. I mean, I felt pretty good and I feel like they're keeping it as clean as they can. Yeah, Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:24): Yeah, yeah. And they've limited the, um, occupancy. I think that after the new year, of course you mentioned yesterday that we'll probably see, you know, a lot more people at the gym, everybody wanting to get a fresh start. So that's, that's the only thing that really has, uh, you know, kind of bothered me when we go is just when, uh, back, when we get into the more in the weight section, when people walk into close to us and being all kind of up in your space. So, uh, you know, if you do choose to go to a gym, just careful choose the right one. And, um, you know, I think that while we always talk about the, um, you know, uh, the diet is probably 75 to 80% of achieving some weight loss goals. It's still, for me, I need the exercise to stretch and, uh, to it kind of shapes my body, um, a lot faster than if I don't have the exercise, but, you know, I need the exercise to try to lower the blood pressure. Roy - Feeding Fatty (09:26): And then also it helps me on my, um, controlling my diabetes that are my, you know, blood glucose anyway, that I know when I walk, um, it just tends to, um, tends to measure a lot lower. So that's one reason why I am, you know, kind of on the exercise kick or, you know, want to get out and get active. But I know that it's hard, but there's a lot of great videos that I've noticed, uh, you know, on, um, Instagram, YouTube. So if you want to do something indoors, there's a lot of easy things that don't have to be strenuous or stressful that you can do. Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:10): Yeah. Um, I mean, a lot just like today, just that 15 minute walk. That was a no, I mean, I could've very easily just gone back to sleep. I'm still messed up on my time zones. I'm gonna, I'm gonna use that excuse for awhile. I don't know what it was before just died, but, uh, yeah, just that, that short walk, I mean, that, that just makes all the difference. Just getting your move in, helping mentally as well as physically, you know, just letting you kind of reflect and Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:42): Yeah. Yeah. We got to, we did some work. We went for a walk, did some work and then, uh, got back out there again. I think that second time it was it's much better. We, you know, had gotten some stuff accomplished and, uh, you know, I just felt like I had a big smile on my face because we got some stuff done and we were able to get out and walk and it just feels like things are, you know, clicking whenever you can get all that, get that in. Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:09): Yeah. It was kind of, kind of a nice little wrap up of the day. And I mean, I know we'll still do more stuff, but it was nice to be able to have that, have that time and check everything out. Roy - Feeding Fatty (11:25): Yeah. Yeah. After being gone for a few weeks, walk around the neighborhood and see what's changed. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So anyway, just think about what you need to do and what you want to do. Uh, like I said, ours is a fairly simple, we stayed to the basics. We just want to have a, you know, a well-balanced we want to eat. Right. Um, try to eat before, you know, around six. O'clock not wait till, um, waiting late to the night. I know that's a, I know that's something that you kind of got into the habit of why you were gone. Terry - Feeding Fatty (12:00): My daughter, she eats it, you know, not before eight o'clock and sometimes 10 o'clock, you know, we just ate late. Roy - Feeding Fatty (12:08): Yeah. And that really hurts me personally, just because of the, you know, sleeping on it. But also the, it tends to drive up my, my glucose when I eat too much, too late in our are unable to walk it off. So, you know, but it works for some people she's skinny as a rail. I think it just depends on your activity level, what you have going on and what you want to accomplish. But I know that's something for me that, uh, you know, we try to eat early, try to get back on a good schedule and get our sleep because we have both been, uh, way off of that schedule. So trying to get that eight hours of sleep, uh, drinking our water. And then, like I said, you know, a little bit of exercise, um, uh, you know, I feel like I need to do some weights, not heavy, not trying to bulk up or anything, but it just helps me to stretch. Roy - Feeding Fatty (13:02): And, uh, you know, it just helps me to feel better about myself that I'm doing some things. So I think everybody has to look at that. You know, my recommendation is everybody talk to your doctor. Don't just set out on a new plan, uh, without consulting a physician and don't get yourself in trouble or hurt yourself, or, you know, make yourself sick by doing anything crazy. It's it, to me, it's all in moderation. That's what we tend to, to be able to stick with is when we, uh, when we're not doing things to the extreme nature, I guess. Terry - Feeding Fatty (13:37): Right. And I mean, just consult with the professionals, the physician, um, the, the fitness experts, things like just make sure that you're doing it as best you can, you know, the best way that you can, the correct way, any way that you're supposed to. So you don't hurt yourself. Feel, I feel my age when I start, you know, I started hurting myself all the time. That's just, I'm a collect anyway. But, um, I just want to make sure that I'm doing it the right way. And, and you, you know, I mean, you, you let me know because he's my professional. Roy - Feeding Fatty (14:14): Well, that's one thing I talk, we talk about when we go to the gym, it's just not, you know, trying to overdo it. It's about, uh, you know, it was kind of funny while we were walking. I was thinking that, um, it's nice to get out and move and all that. There's a lot of benefits, but the other thing is that if I'm out moving and doing something, I'm not sitting in front of the TV eating or driving through a drive-through. So those are always the benefits and, you know, kind of the same way about going to the gym. We want to maximize our efforts of course, but we don't want to overdo it where we hurt ourselves. And so just pacing yourself, taking easy, uh, you know, not getting too heavy for us on the weights. Anyway. That's always been the best. And, um, but it's exciting. So what we wanted to do, and I think, uh, you know, unless you have anything else, what, what was that recipe that you were, Terry - Feeding Fatty (15:06): No, I was looking up some new thing, you know, I'm just tired. I'm tired of the same old thing, even though I've eaten my way through Hawaii, you know, just tired. I get in the habit of just making the same old thing for, for dinner. Um, and so I was looking up some recipes and I found one, um, orange beef and beans, or there's a broccoli and beef also, but they're both, uh, they're both under the taste of home, uh, dot com recipes and they're diabetes friendly, you know? So there's not, not carb. No, it's not carb heavy at all. I mean, 16 carbs. It's 210 calories. Okay. Kicked in to saturated fat. So that's not bad at all. Roy - Feeding Fatty (15:53): Yeah. And that brings up another thing I know that you always talk about, um, because, you know, to be honest, she does most of the cooking and meal prep. I try to help out when I can, but it falls mostly to Terry. And so, um, the planning, I know that that's very important for her. Not only just to, you know, have an idea, so it's not five 30 and we're trying to figure out, okay, what are we going to have today, but also where we can have the ingredients to make it the way it needs to be made. Terry - Feeding Fatty (16:26): And it doesn't take that. I mean, one, you know, if you have everything, it doesn't take that long to do it. It's just, you know, the prepping for it, cutting everything up and getting it all ready to put in there. It just, it shouldn't take that long if I don't have a plan. I mean, it takes, it seemed, drought draws out into like two hours long and I'm still don't have anything to eat. Right. Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:50): Yeah. And that's one thing that we, I find myself if we don't, if we're not on our schedule and, you know, we get some lag time between being hungry and finally eating, you know, that's when we tend to go seek out other things that we shouldn't. Yeah. Terry - Feeding Fatty (17:05): No snack before dinner have a little appetizer of whatever. Yeah. Roy - Feeding Fatty (17:12): All right. Well, anyway, yeah. So just, uh, you know, take some time on Sunday afternoon to sit down and think about, you know, what you're going to have, make sure you have everything at the grocery store. I think it makes, uh, it makes the meal prep go so much easier and so better through the week. So, yeah. And we'll try to, you know, get, we were sharing some recipes there for a while. We'll try to do better. You know, we've been also, um, uh, posting some curated articles from other sites, just trying to deliver as much information. Um, you know, we do try to check them out and make sure they're reputable sites and that they're saying reputable things, please just understand that, uh, you know, everybody needs to check everything out for themselves and, and do what's right for them. Don't just take our word for it. Right, right. Yeah. You know, and then like we always say is consult your medical professionals, um, before you do anything or start anything. So yeah. All right. Well again, happy new year to everybody and thanks for Terry - Feeding Fatty (18:14): 2021 and give back to 2020, my goodness. What a year we've had. Roy - Feeding Fatty (18:22): Yeah. It's been something. So, um, uh, I'm sorry. I interrupted. No, no. I was just thinking, uh, you know, we've got, uh, uh, trying to think of when this may come out. I may just go ahead and post it here in a little bit, but, um, we've got a great, um, uh, guest, our friend, Dr. Nicole is back with us and she's going to be talking about the sixth tastes that I think there are five confirmed taste and I wish I could remember what they all are, but there's, you don't know. Terry - Feeding Fatty (18:57): Yeah. He put me on the spot or something blank. Roy - Feeding Fatty (19:01): Well, Terry - Feeding Fatty (19:02): Edamame, umami, umami is one. Roy - Feeding Fatty (19:04): The last one I know is a, the six one that they're talking about and done some research in that fats. Yeah. So anyway, it's, it's interesting to listen to her, talk about, um, you know, maybe the, some research that's gone into this, so be sure and tune in that episode will come out, uh, on Tuesday, which will be, uh, January 5th. So we'll be looking for that. And again, show ideas. We're always open. We've got a Facebook group. We would really like to, you know, get some discussion started in there. So go over to, uh, uh, feeding fatty on the Facebook group and let's start a conversation and, uh, see if we can make this the best year in a while. Well, B is going started off. Awesome. I can't complain at all. So our ride until next time I'm Roy y'all take care of each other. Thank you. www.feedingfatty.com
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